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| lifeless | where is the replacement for run-mirror in jeepyb again? | 00:32 |
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| lifeless | (I need to add this netaddr --allow-external workaround to the tripleo mirror script...) | 00:34 |
| fungi | lifeless: it was broken out into the openstack-infra/pypi-mirror project | 00:40 |
| lifeless | fungi: ack, found it | 00:40 |
| lifeless | fungi: it's still barfing on netaddr | 00:40 |
| lifeless | how are you working around that/ | 00:40 |
| fungi | --allow-external netaddr --allow-insecure netaddr | 00:40 |
| lifeless | passed t run-mirror? | 00:41 |
| fungi | at least that will be the pip 1.5/virtualenv 1.11.1 workaround once virtualenv 1.11.1 is released | 00:41 |
| fungi | lifeless: no, at the moment we're working around it by using virtualenv 1.10.1 everywhere | 00:41 |
| lifeless | fungi: How are you forcing virtualenv 1.10.1 for run-mirror? | 00:42 |
| lifeless | fungi: to rephrase, perhaps - run-mirror, in cron, looks like it should be bust for everyone? Yes? No? How to fix ;) | 00:42 |
| fungi | we're forcing virtualenv 1.10.1 via puppet in (openstack_project::base) | 00:44 |
| lifeless | fungi: the runtime environment for run-mirror itself? | 00:45 |
| fungi | yes | 00:45 |
| fungi | also, i haven't looked, but our mirroring very well may be broken too, in which case i think it'll have to wait for virtualenv 1.11.1 | 00:45 |
| fungi | unit tests were fixed by rolling back virtualenv via puppet though, so hopefully that fixed our mirror jobs as well | 00:45 |
| lifeless | Downloading/unpacking netaddr>=0.7.6 (from -r /tmp/tmpeomY8U (line 36)) | 00:46 |
| lifeless | Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement netaddr>=0.7.6 (from -r /tmp/tmpeomY8U (line 36)) (from versions: 0.3.1, 0.3.1, 0.4, 0.4, 0.5.1, 0.5.1, 0.5.2, 0.5.2, 0.5, 0.5, 0.6.1, 0.6.1, 0.6.2, 0.6.2, 0.6.3, 0.6.3, 0.6.4, 0.6.4, 0.6, 0.6, 0.7.1, 0.7.1, 0.7.2, 0.7.2, 0.7.3, 0.7.3, 0.7, 0.7) | 00:46 |
| lifeless | Some externally hosted files were ignored (use --allow-external to allow). | 00:46 |
| lifeless | virtualenv --version | 00:46 |
| lifeless | 1.10.1 | 00:46 |
| fungi | is the virtualenv being reused? if not, possibly the vendored pip 1.4.1 in the virtualenv is getting upgraded to 1.5 in that case | 00:48 |
| lifeless | thats my suspicion | 00:48 |
| lifeless | I haven't dug into the code yet, have a paper to finish writing first | 00:48 |
| lifeless | if you could peek at the main mirror logs | 00:48 |
| fungi | short story, pip 1.5 now refuses to install packages which aren't hosted on pypi and which it can't verify (thus the --allow-external and --allow-insecure/--allow-unverified options need to be used to whitelist each package which is in that situation) | 00:49 |
| lifeless | yah | 00:49 |
| lifeless | tripleo builds have been hit by this too ;) | 00:50 |
| fungi | looking at the mirror jobs and, if necessary, writing up patches for them is also on my to do list for this weekend, hopefully, yes | 00:50 |
| lifeless | I figured if I fix the mirror and run offline builds I could avoid changing the main codepaths | 00:50 |
| lifeless | ok, time for brekkie | 00:50 |
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| sdague | fungi: the more I learn about python packaging, the more I want it all to die in a fire :) | 17:19 |
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| fungi | sdague: yes. so very, very yes | 17:21 |
| sdague | I also think the python community did itself a giant disservice in completely punting at multi version library loading at the system level, and doing it as a work around with venvs | 17:24 |
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| sdague | but that's a rant for another day | 17:25 |
| sdague | fungi: completely unrelated, those netbooks you tend to use, what models where those? | 17:26 |
| fungi | old asus eeepc models | 17:26 |
| * fungi has to step out and run some errands, but will return in a couple hours | 17:26 | |
| sdague | cool | 17:26 |
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| fungi | sdague: hacking from debian running on a http://www.asus.com/Eee_Family/Eee_PC_8G/ (that's my living room terminal by the sofa, basically). the one in my crash bag is the slightly newer http://www.asus.com/Eee_Family/Eee_PC_900A/ | 19:51 |
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| fungi | they're pretty indestructible... i've replaced the keyboards on them a few times over the years, but those are cheap and really quick/easy to swap out | 19:52 |
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| fungi | however, they're the definition of "very low resource" machines. great as low-res thin-client and terminals, but browsing with current firefox versions tends to strain them pretty hard | 19:53 |
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| sdague | yeh, i've got a lenovo S10 that I'm trying to figure out if there is anything useful I can do with it | 19:57 |
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| sdague | I got it solely to replace the screen with one of the reflexive ones, as a possible astronomy laptop. But I just can't get used to the 90% keyboard | 19:58 |
| sdague | honestly.... I'm pretty particular on my typing. Probably due to learning touch typing by habbit not by formal training | 19:59 |
| fungi | the eeepc keyboards are more like 50% scale. did take getting used to (but no as much as a handheld chording keyboard) | 19:59 |
| sdague | oh, right, you are one of those :) | 19:59 |
| fungi | <- wackjob | 19:59 |
| sdague | have you seen this yet - http://launch.keyboard.io/ ? | 20:00 |
| fungi | no, that's right nifty | 20:00 |
| sdague | that's a friend from college | 20:00 |
| sdague | though, honestly, everyone seems to know jesse now adays :) | 20:00 |
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| fungi | this is what the inside of the chorder looks like... https://www.yuggoth.org/wiki/ManMachine/KeyerHandset | 20:02 |
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| fungi | been using that one for about 18 months now--the prototype is good, but it's time to start scaling it down and making it more ergonomic/portable | 20:03 |
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| sdague | so my only experience there is with greg priest-dorman who used to be at vassar (down the road), now on the glass team at google | 20:04 |
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| sdague | http://www.cs.vassar.edu/people/priestdo/top his stuff was a little different | 20:04 |
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| sdague | http://www.cs.vassar.edu/people/priestdo/wearables/top | 20:05 |
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| fungi | yep, i'm familiar with his stuff. a fair amount of the design for mine is based on his stuff (and steve mann, and spaceman spiff) | 20:06 |
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| sdague | cool | 20:06 |
| fungi | i've had some correspondence with greg, but didn't realize he's working at google now | 20:06 |
| sdague | yeh... about 1.5 yrs ago he went there | 20:07 |
| fungi | if he's working on glass, then i have a little more hope for the design. it seemed like google were taking it in a direction which wouldn't make for a good text terminal display platform | 20:07 |
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| fungi | and i have zero interest in the camera integration/augmented reality end of things. i just want a computer i can use while walking around without it being unnecessarily cumbersome/distracting | 20:08 |
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| fungi | where "use" for me means mosh to a tmux session... weechat, mutt, vi, et cetera | 20:10 |
| sdague | well he came in mid way, so I don't know what that all means for his influence on the design | 20:10 |
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| fungi | i've also experimented with monocular vs binocular displays and settled on the latter. binocular rivalry significantly reduces my comprehension rate | 20:12 |
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