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| lifeless | mordred: so tox is an interface - thats cool | 02:10 |
| lifeless | mordred: testr can use that, as can humans. | 02:10 |
| mordred | yes indeed | 02:11 |
| mordred | but then we have to figure out what we tell people to do and stuff | 02:12 |
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| jogo | now that javelin logs are being collected any other things needed before adding them to elasticsearch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113663/ | 02:40 |
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| clarkb | mordred: so I have a question about dox and other poeple here that docker may know the answers too. Does it reduce our ability to sandbox because docker itself has escalated privelge needs? I can run tox pretty well sandboxed today because it hasn't built in any of that stuff | 16:47 |
| clarkb | mordred: this is probably fine for the gate but for developer laptops I feel like the level of trust may fall | 16:48 |
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| clarkb | not that is was every very high, but at least if you ran tox in as a unpriveleged user it couldn't do anything too nasty. You can't do that with dox aiui | 16:52 |
| clarkb | which is another potential concern. Do we expect peopel to have root on their boxes to develop openstack? its probably not an unreasonable expectation but may not be true for everyone | 16:53 |
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| mordred | I do not know, but I think that more people are concerned with the amount of stuff they have to install on their machines | 17:01 |
| mordred | and it seems that folks are pretty willing to use docker for stuff in general | 17:02 |
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| clarkb | mordred: that is true, but I am really beginning to wonder ifthey are sane :) I mean its probably sane to build your own images | 17:02 |
| mordred | but it's certainly worth keeping very much in mind | 17:02 |
| clarkb | mordred: but to yank $image from elsewhere and run in container on your laptop is basically a rootkit aiui | 17:02 |
| clarkb | because of dockers minimal privelege needs | 17:02 |
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| mordred | same as installing software from a ppa | 17:04 |
| clarkb | anyways I am still poking at it so could be completely wrong | 17:04 |
| clarkb | mordred: yup | 17:04 |
| mordred | you have to trust the content source | 17:04 |
| clarkb | mordred: I only bring it up because the current method does nto require this | 17:04 |
| clarkb | mordred: if we were already in this boat then meh, but I can run tox really well sandboxed today | 17:04 |
| mordred | the current method requires a mongo ppa if you want to test that | 17:04 |
| clarkb | it does not | 17:05 |
| clarkb | trusty mongo is fine | 17:05 |
| mordred | it did though | 17:05 |
| clarkb | no it didn't we tried using cloud archive and failed | 17:05 |
| mordred | and that has and will come up | 17:05 |
| clarkb | and never PPA'd | 17:05 |
| mordred | and we avoid things because we don't have an answer as to how people can do them | 17:06 |
| clarkb | well hopefully install potential rootkit isn't one of them | 17:06 |
| clarkb | (whether PPA or docker or whatever) | 17:07 |
| jroll | why is it a potential rootkit? everything runs in the container | 17:07 |
| clarkb | jroll: its the container itself that is rootkit | 17:07 |
| jroll | sure, there's potential vulnerabilities there | 17:07 |
| jroll | in terms of? | 17:07 |
| clarkb | jroll: docker needs escalated privileges to make container and mount container and all that | 17:07 |
| jroll | sure | 17:07 |
| mordred | right. you have to tryst docker itself | 17:08 |
| jroll | but you aren't running other people's code outside of the container | 17:08 |
| clarkb | and the image itself | 17:08 |
| jroll | you do need to trust docker | 17:08 |
| clarkb | because that container can "boot" and escalate itself aiui (this partiaully depends on how old your kernel is) | 17:08 |
| mordred | I think we're assuming trusty here, no? | 17:09 |
| clarkb | I am not sure trusty is new enough :) | 17:09 |
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| mordred | I believe that's too much for me | 17:09 |
| mordred | docker is in wide enough use | 17:10 |
| mordred | I do not need to personally audit it | 17:10 |
| clarkb | thats fine. and like I said I only bring it up because it is an escalation from the previous method | 17:10 |
| clarkb | that is why it can solve the other problem this solves | 17:10 |
| clarkb | if the answer is I trust docker to deal with it. thats fine. I didn't knwo if the question had been raised at all though | 17:11 |
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| clarkb | jroll: is the general assumption that running random caontiner images is safe because conatiner/docker? | 17:13 |
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| jroll | clarkb: I mean, I think some people assume that | 17:15 |
| mordred | clarkb: nod | 17:15 |
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| jroll | I'd like a better story around trusted images | 17:15 |
| jroll | a way to verify that this image was built from this source, served securely, signed even, etc | 17:15 |
| mordred | clarkb: so, I think for me, the convenience of bundling things is pretty high - and if we as infra are the ones making and publihing the base images, I think the trust chain is pretty good | 17:15 |
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| mordred | otoh | 17:16 |
| jroll | idk, those infra folks are sketchy :) | 17:16 |
| mordred | I think we should absolutely make sure that it's possible to not use docker/dox | 17:16 |
| mordred | just like it's possible to not use tox right now | 17:16 |
| mordred | (I almost never use tox, I almost always just install things globally on my laptop and run testr directly) | 17:16 |
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| mordred | that's not because I don't trust tox - it's because tox is slow and annoying | 17:17 |
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| clarkb | mordred: sure, but you are mordred. The person that is told to just run `dox` isn't going to understand all this stuff | 17:17 |
| jroll | the person that will run whatever the docs tell them to run isn't going to be concerned that running dox might run a malicious container | 17:18 |
| clarkb | jroll: right, so maybe we should be concerned for them. Sounds like the answer is yes we are a little but that is docker's problem | 17:19 |
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| jroll | hmm | 17:19 |
| clarkb | which is a perfectly fine answer. It is one reason to use tools like docker (so that someone else deals with the hard problems) | 17:20 |
| mordred | ++ | 17:21 |
| mordred | and also, there's enough attention on it right now that actual issues are likely to get attention | 17:21 |
| jroll | right, but if it's a problem they haven't solved yet... :/ | 17:21 |
| clarkb | in other news I think we need big giant text somewhere that says "you cannot run cinder in a container today. iscsi is not namespaced in the kernel so iscsid fails. We would love it if someone fixed that :)" | 17:22 |
| mordred | yah | 17:23 |
| mordred | well, aiui, it's not getting fixed | 17:23 |
| mordred | the fix for us would be to stop using iscsi | 17:23 |
| clarkb | mordred: oh interesting. so the kernel isn't interested in namespacing that driver? | 17:23 |
| mordred | apparently, iscsi is terrible enough that namespacing it is a nightmare | 17:23 |
| mordred | yah | 17:23 |
| clarkb | gotcha | 17:23 |
| mordred | someone looked at it and said AAARRRRGGGGHHHHH | 17:23 |
| jroll | same story for ironic's default driver :( | 17:24 |
| mordred | AFS!!! | 17:24 |
| clarkb | I was just going to say :) | 17:24 |
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| mordred | clarkb: btw - there are folks hanging out in #dox hacking on things | 17:31 |
| clarkb | oh fun | 17:33 |
| clarkb | so I should ask future questions there | 17:33 |
| mordred | well, things like this are worthwhile in here - and it's possible we might want to re-merge activity into here once it settles | 17:33 |
| mordred | if we decide to actually use it | 17:34 |
| mordred | but yeah- chmouel and flaper87 and Shrews have all decided to dive in | 17:34 |
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| mordred | clarkb: I also included infra-core in the core team on dox just because | 17:35 |
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| mordred | clarkb: also, https://github.com/ewindisch/dockenstack might be interesting as you investigate things | 17:41 |
| mordred | clarkb: we may want to ask some questions about the docker.io "Trusted Build" service | 17:42 |
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| mordred | clarkb: which is to say ... althguoh I think we're fine doing the builds ourselves - it would be intestesting to see what other chain of trust things are there, or what things we can suggest to docker that they add | 17:43 |
| mordred | signed would be nice, for instance | 17:43 |
| mordred | but it seems like a nod towards wanting to think about that topic at the very least | 17:43 |
| mordred | AND - the code that runs dockerhub is open source, so in theory we could add support if we wanted to | 17:44 |
| mordred | if we _do_ go down this path, I believe we'll want to run a dockerhub per region just like pypi mirrors ... but it's actually stupidly easy to run one | 17:44 |
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| clarkb | oh interesting | 17:46 |
| clarkb | also did you see our per region pypi mirrors still fail? :( | 17:46 |
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| mordred | yes, I did | 17:50 |
| mordred | but - that's something we can take to folks I think | 17:50 |
| mordred | clarkb: ah! ok, so - when I was thinking about us making sets of 'official' infra docker images from a git repo, I was sad taht Dockerfile didn't really lend itself to that | 17:51 |
| mordred | turns out, docker.io has a similar problem, in that they have a set of 'official' images they want to automatically build | 17:51 |
| mordred | https://github.com/docker-library/official-images/blob/master/library/ubuntu | 17:51 |
| mordred | so they have a whole other tool written to handle the more complex use case that they and we and not many other people have | 17:52 |
| mordred | which is great, because it's in python ... so it should be pretty easy for us to bend it to our will | 17:52 |
| clarkb | is that the library tool? | 17:53 |
| clarkb | or is that just a data repo? | 17:53 |
| mordred | both is | 17:54 |
| mordred | both ish | 17:54 |
| mordred | https://github.com/docker-library/official-images | 17:55 |
| mordred | library is the list of official library images built by docker.io's stackbrew | 17:55 |
| mordred | stackbrew is the builder | 17:55 |
| jroll | mordred: I know JayF talked to them a while ago about signing images and whatnot, and they didn't really seem to care | 17:56 |
| mordred | jroll: I wonder whether they are opposed to it, or just don't care | 17:56 |
| jroll | (signed images in the index, that is) | 17:56 |
| mordred | as in, if someone did the work, would they be ok taking the feature | 17:57 |
| jroll | sounded like it's super low on the priority list | 17:57 |
| jroll | maybe | 17:57 |
| mordred | or is it seen as extra complexity they don't want to deal with | 17:57 |
| jroll | this was also like... february? | 17:57 |
| jroll | they may have changed their minds | 17:57 |
| mordred | would be worth chatting with them again | 17:58 |
| jroll | indeed | 17:58 |
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| mordred | there's an interesting question looking at stackbrew and imagining base docker images for dev brings to mind | 18:02 |
| mordred | which is - the model there is that images are things with names that are tied to git shas of the description of the image | 18:02 |
| mordred | that works really well for us for stable releases - "this is the base image for icehouse nova" for instance | 18:03 |
| mordred | but for master - we currently have a constantly moving base image as well as a constantly moving nova | 18:03 |
| mordred | now, there's nothing preventing just having an infra:nova image that changes all the time as it does | 18:04 |
| mordred | but it makes me wonder about if there's an opportunity to think about a more deliberate/considered base image progression | 18:05 |
| clarkb | which is basically controlled dep pinning? | 18:06 |
| mordred | yeah. still might be the wrong choice, and just doing rolling images we currently do is probably still the right choice | 18:08 |
| mordred | just me thinking out loud while I read things | 18:08 |
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| mordred | clarkb: btw - the docker ubuntu images are essentially just ubuntu-minimal - it's pretty interesting to use them, since they have essentially _nothing_ you didn't ask for | 18:11 |
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| ekarlso- | lifeless: u gonna fix the dbm stuff or ? :) | 18:31 |
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| mordred | ekarlso-: I believe his answer was "no" | 18:36 |
| ekarlso- | dang | 18:36 |
| clarkb | but a workaround is run py3k first apparently | 18:38 |
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| lifeless | ekarlso-: hopefully going to fiure out a way past it for everyone | 19:33 |
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| jgcampbell300 | i am working on a open source router IPcop and am trying to learn how to change images and give it a updated look .. its using perl and cgi ... I cant figgure out what makes the pl files .... header.pl dosent exist before the installer gos to work so how do i find the work flow ? | 20:29 |
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| mordred | jgcampbell300: hi! I'm not sure this is the channel for that question - this is where we talk about openstack developer infrastructure. is IPcop in some way related to openstack? if so, #openstack-dev might be a place where you'd be more likely to find the answer ... | 20:32 |
| jgcampbell300 | mordred: oh ok thanks | 20:33 |
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| bknudson | Looks like the gate is essentially broken due to pip issues | 22:09 |
| anteaya | I see 7 in the gate, 2 failing, 5 passing | 22:12 |
| anteaya | both failing are keystone | 22:12 |
| anteaya | 2 passing are keystone | 22:12 |
| anteaya | bknudson: can you expand on your conclusion | 22:13 |
| anteaya | one of the failing keystone patches is a dependencies of teh failure preceding it | 22:14 |
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| anteaya | so far I am not finding a pip issue in this log: https://jenkins05.openstack.org/job/gate-grenade-dsvm/7495/console | 22:14 |
| * mordred would also like to know more about pip issues | 22:16 | |
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| mordred | jeblair: not that it's important, but fyi, gertty does not work on mysql | 22:26 |
| mordred | jeblair: mainly because there are columns named "key" | 22:26 |
| mordred | which is a resered word | 22:26 |
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| lifeless | mordred: that can be used if quoted right? so its a sqlalchemy bug | 22:41 |
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| jhesketh | Morning | 22:44 |
| anteaya | morning jhesketh | 22:46 |
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| mordred | lifeless: there are bare sql | 22:50 |
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| boris-42 | jhesketh hi | 22:54 |
| boris-42 | jhesketh do you probably know how to change index.html http://logs.openstack.org/84/119584/8/check/gate-rally-dsvm-rally/dc1480f/ here | 22:57 |
| boris-42 | ? | 22:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed a change to stackforge/gertty: Quote identifiers in migrations https://review.openstack.org/119662 | 22:58 |
| mordred | jeblair: (and lifeless) ^^ that fixes it | 22:58 |
| jhesketh | boris-42: that's just an Apache index list | 22:58 |
| jhesketh | What did you want to change? | 22:58 |
| lifeless | mordred: cool | 22:58 |
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| boris-42 | jhesketh so basically if you open rally-plot | 22:59 |
| boris-42 | jhesketh you'll see this http://logs.openstack.org/84/119584/8/check/gate-rally-dsvm-rally/dc1480f/rally-plot/ | 22:59 |
| boris-42 | jhesketh which is nice for end user | 22:59 |
| boris-42 | jhesketh so I wanna have this page | 22:59 |
| boris-42 | jhesketh http://logs.openstack.org/84/119584/8/check/gate-rally-dsvm-rally/dc1480f/ here=) | 22:59 |
| mordred | lifeless: I was sure you'd want to play with running gertty on top of MySQL :) | 23:00 |
| lifeless | mordred: oh btw have I pointed you at cjdns? | 23:00 |
| lifeless | mordred: totally, I most definitely want to do that | 23:00 |
| mordred | lifeless: yes, you have | 23:00 |
| lifeless | mordred: great, enough said | 23:00 |
| boris-42 | jhesketh so doing something like "ln -s rally-plot/index.html index.html" | 23:00 |
| boris-42 | jhesketh will be nice=) | 23:00 |
| mordred | boris-42, jhesketh: there is a facility we use to put html into the pages for devstack-gate | 23:01 |
| mordred | with the instructions | 23:01 |
| jhesketh | Ah okay | 23:01 |
| mordred | I can't remember where that is though | 23:01 |
| boris-42 | mordred yep you are putting footer.html | 23:01 |
| boris-42 | mordred but I would like just complete to replace page | 23:01 |
| boris-42 | mordred that can be done if we put there just custom index.html | 23:02 |
| jhesketh | boris-42: yep, the footer is a good place, otherwise the job will need to generate and place an index | 23:02 |
| mordred | modules/openstack_project/templates/logs.vhost.erb | 23:02 |
| clarkb | the job should do it | 23:02 |
| boris-42 | jhesketh actually what I would like is to replace just index.html | 23:03 |
| mordred | boris-42: or, listen to clarkb, he's smarter than I am | 23:03 |
| mordred | oh - right - he could just put an index.html in place couldn't he? | 23:03 |
| boris-42 | clarkb so where should I put in job =) | 23:03 |
| boris-42 | mordred yep | 23:03 |
| clarkb | that way we dont have to manage job specific things. | 23:03 |
| clarkb | just copy the files however you want | 23:03 |
| boris-42 | clarkb +2 | 23:03 |
| boris-42 | clarkb yep I want to copy to root index.html from rally tree | 23:04 |
| boris-42 | clarkb that will be really nice | 23:04 |
| mordred | boris-42: look at your publishers | 23:04 |
| mordred | boris-42: in modules/openstack_project/files/jenkins_job_builder/config/rally.yaml | 23:04 |
| boris-42 | mordred so lemme try to make some mini patch=) | 23:05 |
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| mordred | boris-42: just add one, probably at the end, with target: 'logs/$LOG_PATH/index.html' and source: 'rally-plot/index.html' | 23:05 |
| mordred | or something | 23:05 |
| boris-42 | mordred ahh | 23:05 |
| boris-42 | mordred thank you | 23:05 |
| mordred | clarkb: btw - dallas is doing VERY poorly | 23:05 |
| clarkb | mordred yes, they have failed | 23:06 |
| mordred | clarkb: we also did not enjoy the end of the saints game | 23:07 |
| clarkb | wow thats a stupid ad | 23:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Boris Pavlovic proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Set custom index.html to root of output of rally-dsvm jobs https://review.openstack.org/119663 | 23:17 |
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| boris-42 | clarkb mordred ^ something like that?) | 23:17 |
| clarkb | I think target must be a dir. so just set it to the root of the log path. also target is misspelled | 23:18 |
| mordred | boris-42: well, other than the fact taht you spelled target wrong | 23:18 |
| clarkb | but yes looks good otherwise | 23:18 |
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| boris-42 | lol=) | 23:19 |
| mordred | yeah - maybe keep-heirarchy: false and target logs/$LOG_PATH | 23:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Boris Pavlovic proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Set custom index.html to root of output of rally-dsvm jobs https://review.openstack.org/119663 | 23:20 |
| mordred | +2 from me | 23:20 |
| boris-42 | mordred thank you=) | 23:20 |
| mordred | clarkb: oh! dallas actually scored a point | 23:20 |
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| mordred | clarkb: I'm confused that they did not get intercepted | 23:21 |
| clarkb | too little too late | 23:21 |
| clarkb | also you see what the eagles did? | 23:21 |
| mordred | clarkb: no? | 23:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Russell Bryant proposed a change to stackforge/gertty: Add additional help text for openstack user/pass https://review.openstack.org/119665 | 23:21 |
| clarkb | first half was 0-17 jaguara. game ended 34-17 eagles | 23:22 |
| mordred | oh wow | 23:23 |
| mordred | I do not believe that is going to happen here | 23:23 |
| mordred | considering that dallas needs to score like 3 touchdowns in 1:42 | 23:23 |
| clarkb | they should just call it a day early and go eat barbeque | 23:24 |
| clarkb | also I tried watching this game with sap on. joe and troy are so bad | 23:24 |
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| mordred | clarkb: it's not on univision? | 23:25 |
| clarkb | nope | 23:26 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: firefox 32.0 is not dying as often as 31.0 | 23:44 |
| anteaya | I just upgraded | 23:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-dev/cookiecutter: Use oslotest rather than copying helpers https://review.openstack.org/118961 | 23:46 |
| mordred | mikal: I love that you just proposed a person named "Unknown" as a compute ATC | 23:48 |
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| annegentle | mordred: I hear "Unknown" does great work | 23:51 |
| anteaya | yeah, I just commented on that | 23:51 |
| anteaya | just in case unknown comes back to me wanting a ballot that went missing | 23:52 |
| anteaya | and tells me they changed email addresses | 23:52 |
| mikal | mordred: we all have hobbies | 23:54 |
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