| clarkb | pleia2: oh maybe | 00:00 |
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| clarkb | I worked around it in my xfwm4 script by running another ssh-agent and that seems to work fine | 00:02 |
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| krtaylor | pleia2, thanks for the rename announce email, it should help third-party CI folks plan for any possible impact | 00:07 |
| pleia2 | krtaylor: sure, we'll probably be sending it out after the meeting next Tuesday, please leave comments in the etherpad if you think there's anything else we should mention | 00:08 |
| krtaylor | pleia2, I think its fine, just a heads up | 00:08 |
| pleia2 | great :) | 00:09 |
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| jogo | voting records of TC: http://jogo.github.io/governance.html | 00:33 |
| clarkb | jogo: does that account for meetings votes? | 00:34 |
| jogo | clarkb: no | 00:34 |
| jogo | that is gerrit votes on final revision | 00:34 |
| jogo | its for the goverannce repo | 00:34 |
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| jogo | hmm I should look at patches that didn't land as well | 00:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Adding puppet-pip as split out module https://review.openstack.org/126096 | 01:04 |
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| clarkb | all images should be rebuilt now | 01:16 |
| clarkb | jhesketh: I am rechecking a change of mine to see that the .html is downloaded | 01:16 |
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| jhesketh | clarkb: cool :-) | 01:21 |
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| mordred | jogo: that link does not work for me | 01:37 |
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| jogo | mordred: I took it down | 01:43 |
| jogo | mordred: the data was at best misleading | 01:43 |
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| jogo | mordred: https://github.com/jogo/jogo.github.io/commit/2645d8d63ef469a73093a4463023aac248c8cf53 | 01:44 |
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| jogo | mordred: all I learned was that you don't do a lot of governance reviews and that we have a lot of housekeeping patches | 01:45 |
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| anteaya | jogo: ha ha ha | 01:53 |
| fungi | head janitorial committee | 01:53 |
| fungi | only the most boring of housekeeping patches are reserved exclusively for the tc | 01:54 |
| jogo | fungi: yup | 01:55 |
| mordred | jogo: haha | 01:55 |
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| jogo | and anything juicy is resolved in IRC | 01:55 |
| mordred | fungi: around? | 01:55 |
| anteaya | jogo: analyse the stats for that | 01:55 |
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| jogo | anteaya: natural language processing is really hard | 01:56 |
| anteaya | no kidding | 01:56 |
| anteaya | most people I know can't manage it | 01:56 |
| jogo | anteaya: if I knew a good way to do that I would quit my job and just do that | 01:56 |
| anteaya | you'd make millions | 01:57 |
| anteaya | I can only figure it out on good days | 01:57 |
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| jogo | anteaya: for me those are few and far between | 01:57 |
| anteaya | heh | 01:57 |
| fungi | mordred: not really at a computer and frustratingly poor transfer rates at the moment. anything urgent? | 02:00 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | what do we have to do to kill testr? ugh, I am tired of "pip install pytest" to actually figure out why "testr failed (3)" | 02:03 |
| r1chardj0n3s | sorry, rant over ;) | 02:03 |
| StevenK | r1chardj0n3s: Patches welcome? :-P | 02:03 |
| r1chardj0n3s | still haven't figured out why I see the text from errors duplicated every time... | 02:04 |
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| mordred | r1chardj0n3s: lifeless was working on some UI improvements, but he's out on personal leave now | 02:04 |
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| mordred | r1chardj0n3s: unless it's a strange failure on package importt, all the rest of the info should be available - might be worth digging in with you to show you where to look - and to give lifeless some feedback then on how you're not discovering that directly | 02:06 |
| r1chardj0n3s | non-import errors are generally available (twice <wink>) | 02:07 |
| mordred | hehe | 02:07 |
| r1chardj0n3s | but I wonder why testr when pytest is so mature and (in my opinion) so much more usable | 02:07 |
| mordred | r1chardj0n3s: well ... | 02:07 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I'm sure there's good reasons :) | 02:07 |
| mordred | you've come to the right place if you want the story there :) | 02:07 |
| r1chardj0n3s | :) | 02:07 |
| mordred | a) when I started looking at options, pytest was not any better than nose, just different | 02:08 |
| mordred | although I will admit that py.test today has done a much better job of being less crap | 02:08 |
| mordred | b) subunit | 02:08 |
| mordred | c) parallel execution was a HUGE win for us when we migrated | 02:09 |
| mordred | d) lifeless started hacking on openstack, so having close-knit ties with maintainer was a positive - although again tbh he's been so busy that that did not work out as well as we hoped | 02:09 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I can totally relate to a), don't have much experience with b) and c) is a subset of a) now, I believe ;) | 02:09 |
| mordred | yes. c was also a temporal problem | 02:10 |
| mordred | testr hit the parallel test case maturely before the others, so taht was a big draw at the time | 02:10 |
| mordred | don't believe it's as important anymore | 02:10 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yep, gotcha | 02:10 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I should get back to this CORS middleware and stop bothering people ;) | 02:11 |
| mordred | subunit is the output serialization format that's used under the hood in testr (testr is actually a test runner runner that calls the subunit test runner) | 02:11 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yikes, ok | 02:11 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yeah, looked up the pypi page - there's clearly more going on here than I thought | 02:11 |
| mordred | and is leading towards things like the subunit2sql stuff that mtreinish is working on for aggregating data from test thousands of test runs | 02:11 |
| r1chardj0n3s | though I have tried to poke directly at subunit to try to figure out the import error stuff in the past (without much luck) | 02:12 |
| mordred | every time you run tests locally, you're actually adding new test results to your local repository of results | 02:12 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ok, nice | 02:12 |
| mordred | well, "python -m testtools.run discover" will run through things with the testtools runner without serializing it in subunit format | 02:12 |
| r1chardj0n3s | oh! | 02:13 |
| mordred | (subunit.run actually calls testtools.run and just serializes the results in subunit format) | 02:13 |
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| mordred | there's a big hole you can dive in to :) | 02:14 |
| r1chardj0n3s | :) | 02:14 |
| r1chardj0n3s | my lunch just arrived, thanks for the background! | 02:14 |
| StevenK | Mmmmm, lunch | 02:14 |
| StevenK | I should totally do that | 02:14 |
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| mordred | r1chardj0n3s: any time! I may not love everything in its current state, but I can almost always give background on how we got there :) | 02:15 |
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| mtreinish | r1chardj0n3s: here's a testtools patch I have to get stack traces from import errors with testr: https://github.com/mtreinish/testtools/commit/257c4cd6d4ef06d59891871fcb4f5417b666caaa | 02:17 |
| mtreinish | it's not really a good solution and won't be in accepted into testtools but it works | 02:17 |
| mtreinish | it's something I've been using while Robert works on fixing things for real | 02:18 |
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| ianw | clarkb: comments added on 126747, thanks | 02:31 |
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| clarkb | ianw: responded. Ya the docs can use more owrk | 02:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Rename the glance-formula project name https://review.openstack.org/124252 | 02:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Rename the keystone-formula project name https://review.openstack.org/125546 | 02:38 |
| ianw | clarkb: if image-types has qcow2, then don't you duplicate it though? | 02:39 |
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| clarkb | ianw: no because its using dict.get('somekey', default_value_if_key_does_not_exist) | 02:39 |
| ianw | clarkb: bah, ok, i was reading it wrong :) still might prefer to leave it as a list and join it nearer to where it is used | 02:41 |
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| lifeless | r1chardj0n3s: things showing twice - file a bug please. | 03:14 |
| r1chardj0n3s | lifeless: ok | 03:14 |
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| lifeless | r1chardj0n3s: the testr toolchain can do massively distributed, not just 'parallel', though openstack doesn't use it. | 03:15 |
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| lifeless | r1chardj0n3s: also the import thing - review my patch and you can have fix | 03:16 |
| r1chardj0n3s | now, this is just my opinion, of course, but I think it's a shame we lose developer usability because of functionality we don't use | 03:16 |
| lifeless | r1chardj0n3s: http://bugs.python.org/issue19746 | 03:16 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | (and being just my opnion, you can say "yeah, whatever" :) | 03:16 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ouch, it needs a bug fix against stdlib? :( | 03:17 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (sure I'd like to help get that fixed if possible) | 03:17 |
| lifeless | r1chardj0n3s: there's a bunch of pending patched I need landed in the stdlib | 03:19 |
| lifeless | r1chardj0n3s: I backport things from there to testtools in preference to local fixes | 03:19 |
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| lifeless | r1chardj0n3s: Ihave commit access coming, but this personal matter put the kaibosh on a bunch of work | 03:19 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I'm afraid I'm still going to be "tox -e py27" and then running pytest for a while then | 03:19 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yep, sure | 03:19 |
| lifeless | r1chardj0n3s: well, if you have commit access, you could review and land these ;) | 03:19 |
| lifeless | r1chardj0n3s: http://bugs.python.org/issue16662 is another key one | 03:20 |
| r1chardj0n3s | lifeless: I have commit access but haven't committed anything to cpython for a *long* time | 03:20 |
| lifeless | as a pre-req to http://bugs.python.org/issue22457 | 03:20 |
| lifeless | and http://bugs.python.org/issue7559 | 03:20 |
| r1chardj0n3s | also, sorry to say, but I'm just not interested in working *on* testing tools, just using ones that work :( | 03:20 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I'm still trying to find where to file a testr bug | 03:20 |
| lifeless | and if you're enthused, http://bugs.python.org/issue17401 | 03:20 |
| lifeless | r1chardj0n3s: bugs.launchpad.net/testrepository | 03:21 |
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| lifeless | r1chardj0n3s: Sure, I'm not asking you to work on the testing tools, just push the hg buttons :) | 03:21 |
| r1chardj0n3s | lifeless: nup, can't do that in good faith ;) | 03:21 |
| lifeless | fair enough | 03:22 |
| r1chardj0n3s | odd that no-one else sees duplicated test output... | 03:22 |
| r1chardj0n3s | but I see it in multiple projects... | 03:22 |
| lifeless | I should be back on deck next week when I'll be able to get the hg folk my ssh keys etc | 03:22 |
| r1chardj0n3s | only fixes the problem for py3.5 though | 03:23 |
| clarkb | r1chardj0n3s: what do you mean b duplicated test output? | 03:23 |
| lifeless | r1chardj0n3s: once its in the stdlib I backport a monkey patch into testtools | 03:23 |
| r1chardj0n3s | clarkb: lemme file the report, gimme a sec | 03:23 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | https://bugs.launchpad.net/testrepository/+bug/1378609 | 03:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1378609 in testrepository "test failure output is duplicated/triplicated" [Undecided,New] | 03:26 |
| mtreinish | r1chardj0n3s: oh, yeah we've been seeing that on gate runs for a while now. I haven't had a chance to dive into it yet. | 03:27 |
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| mtreinish | it's really annoying on a neutron ssh failure in tempest because that dumps the entire network state to the logs which is getting duplicated | 03:28 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I'm seeing it in mulitple projects, it's just that oslo.middleware is the one I'm seeing it on now | 03:28 |
| lifeless | its probably a testtools issue | 03:29 |
| r1chardj0n3s | right, enough farting around with test tools, I need to get back to work | 03:29 |
| lifeless | r1chardj0n3s: be aware that py.test won't run all the openstack test suites correctly. | 03:29 |
| r1chardj0n3s | lifeless: but it runs enough of them well enough with more useful output, so for my purposes, is good enough | 03:30 |
| lifeless | r1chardj0n3s: it may not be affecting you today. But if you find that the gate hates on you and you can't reproduce locally.. its probably that. | 03:30 |
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| mwhudson | it always surprises me how few failures you get from tempest when you break instance creation completely | 03:36 |
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| clarkb | ianw: what do youthink about stacking a change on top of mine (I can write it) that move the string joins for extra opts and image_types closer to where we run dib? | 03:45 |
| clarkb | ianw: I would rather be consistent in each change | 03:46 |
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| ianw | clarkb: sure, it's just a minor thing | 03:48 |
| clarkb | ok I will throw that together tomorrow | 03:49 |
| ianw | i'll just leave it alone, the important people can +2 it :) | 03:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Improve tools/layout-checks.py https://review.openstack.org/126145 | 06:15 |
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| zigo | fungi: mika: I'm not "religously" opposed to tarballs, I just find it not efficient for what I do. If anyone that wants to contribute to the packaging effort in Debian thinks otherwise, then I may reconsider, but currently, I'm mostly doing things alone, so I believe I have the rights to take this kind of decision which increase my efficiency maintaining these nearly 200 packages. | 06:19 |
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| mika | zigo: yeah sure, it's your decision :) | 06:45 |
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| zigo | mika: Currently, the only thing I've been opposed to what I do are: 1/ the AUTHORS and Changelog files generated in the sdist tarball (which I can't package: the AUTHORS doesn't reflect the copyright holding, and Changelog is too big and the Debian FTP masters don't want it) and 2/ checksum and verifiability that it's upstream tarballs | 06:47 |
| zigo | To that, I oppose: my tarballs are using xz compression, and I can check git gpg signed tags. | 06:48 |
| zigo | Plus it's more efficient in my workflow. | 06:48 |
| zigo | So the benefits outweight the disadvantages... | 06:48 |
| mika | zigo: yeah, I understand; upstream ChangeLogs inside Debian packages are important from my PoV, while I personally don't care too much about the AUTHORS | 06:49 |
| zigo | Anyway, I mostly think it's bike shedding, and that there's a way more important stuff. | 06:49 |
| mika | jepp | 06:49 |
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| zigo | mika: The nova Changelog is like 1.5 MB !!! | 06:49 |
| zigo | (and that was a year and a half ago...) | 06:49 |
| pleia2 | wow | 06:49 |
| zigo | mika: I don't think it's reasonable to put that on each nova package, which by the way are mostly about a few KB big... | 06:50 |
| zigo | If you want the upstream changelog, just "debcheckout nova", and you'll get it using "git log" ... | 06:50 |
| * dstufft thinks that the openstack changelogs are excessive | 06:51 | |
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| mika | zigo: oh wow | 06:55 |
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| dstufft | I do't think the changelogs are generally useful, you don't really need every single cchange that has occured to a project in a change log :/ | 06:55 |
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| viktors | sdague: around? | 10:12 |
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| andreaf | I'm see a strange behaviour of pip when installing in dev mode. If a library depends on another library which is already installed in dev mode, but on a newer version, it fails to uninstall the old version of the dependency, it says it's all fine and then it's broken: http://paste.openstack.org/show/119600/ | 10:34 |
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| andreaf | as anyone seen this before? is this pip expected behaviour when using dev mode? | 10:34 |
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| fungi | ugh. it left in a netsplit at 11:11:07 utc today when the specific irc server we pinned it to (we do this as a workaround for issues in twisted's ssl socket support not working with ipv6) apparently was taken offline and out of the rotation | 14:15 |
| fungi | i've switched it to another server and restarted it. everything looks normal now | 14:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nikolay Fedotov proposed a change to openstack-infra/nodepool: Remove hardcoded root path of a jenkins node https://review.openstack.org/121896 | 14:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Bourke proposed a change to openstack-infra/jeepyb: Allow expire_old_reviews to be used with suexec https://review.openstack.org/123693 | 15:09 |
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| anteaya | SergeyLukjanov: hey there, do you look at the third-party-requests mailing list as part of your routine or only when I ask you about it? | 15:23 |
| mtreinish | morganfainberg: where did the keystone logs go?: http://logs.openstack.org/20/125320/5/check/check-tempest-dsvm-full/f123833/logs/ | 15:23 |
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| mtreinish | I thought things were setup so that the apache logs were copied to screen-key.txt or something like that, but I don't see anything for it | 15:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Add DNS Services to spec.openstack.org home page https://review.openstack.org/126941 | 15:38 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | anteaya, I'm looking on it, but unfortunately have no time to do it on regular basis while I'm in CA, so, most probably, I'll will go through the list of requests by the end of week | 15:39 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | anteaya, sorry about that | 15:41 |
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| anteaya | SergeyLukjanov: not at all | 15:45 |
| anteaya | I just wanted to know who was holding this stick | 15:45 |
| anteaya | or if I was assuming you were and you were assuming I was | 15:45 |
| anteaya | leaving email posters flailing to their own devices | 15:46 |
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| zaro | morning | 15:48 |
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| * fungi is taking a quick lunch break... bbiab | 15:51 | |
| clarkb | fungi FYI I intend on approving jhesketh swift upload source file job change shortly | 15:52 |
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| fungi | k | 15:52 |
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| mtreinish | clarkb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113663/ any thoughts? I don't think that will add much overhead to logstash | 15:54 |
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| clarkb | mtreinish: we are already beyond what logstash can handle during load periods. So I don't think this will make it better or worse | 15:55 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: heh, fair enough | 15:55 |
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| clarkb | is it in oslo format? | 15:56 |
| clarkb | I am assuming its like the tempest logs | 15:56 |
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| mtreinish | jogo: ^^^ the javelin logs you use the oslo formatter right? | 15:57 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: I think so | 15:57 |
| mtreinish | let me double check | 15:57 |
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| mugsie | hey - random question - how often are the specs at specs.openstack.org synced? | 15:57 |
| clarkb | http://logs.openstack.org/57/126357/3/check/check-grenade-dsvm/6503a41/logs/javelin.txt.gz looks like it to me after a quick check | 15:57 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: yeah it pulls in logging from oslo | 15:57 |
| clarkb | mtreinish: cool /me approves | 15:58 |
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| mtreinish | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/tempest/cmd/javelin.py#n33 | 15:58 |
| clarkb | mugsie: should happen on every merge | 15:58 |
| clarkb | mugsie: via a post pipeline job in zuul | 15:58 |
| mugsie | clarkb: yup - missed it when i was looking at the zuul page | 15:59 |
| mugsie | thanks | 15:59 |
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| jogo | mtreinish: they are tempest based, so yes | 16:11 |
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| mtreinish | jogo: well at one point I thought you were just importing python logging and bypassing the oslo stuff | 16:11 |
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| clarkb | fungi: fwiw we seem to possibly be hitting hpcloud timeouts again | 16:12 |
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| jogo | mtreinish: yeah that has been fixed | 16:12 |
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| mtreinish | yep, that's all I was asking, but it's all landed now | 16:13 |
| clarkb | woot in about 10 minutes our swift uploaded console logs should have timestamps | 16:14 |
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| mtreinish | clarkb: awesome | 16:17 |
| mordred | clarkb: I'm excited about that | 16:17 |
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| morganfainberg | clarkb, yay! | 16:26 |
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| clarkb | http://logs.openstack.org/62/125562/8/check/gate-project-config-projects-yaml/78413de/console.html?source=swift I think it is working | 16:39 |
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| clarkb | cool /me accomplished something this morning. Back in a bit | 16:43 |
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| clarkb | you can tell it is working because the log file cuts off wher we download it | 16:47 |
| clarkb | whereas the scp uploaded one is complete | 16:47 |
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| clarkb | for the log I linked above there is definitely a perceptable hit in retrieval time from swift. Via my home internets non swift is ~200ms and via swift is anywhere from just under a second to just over 2 seconds | 16:59 |
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| clarkb | so that is an order of magnitude more time spent retrieving the file | 17:00 |
| clarkb | need to do more testing, but that may just be a constant cost regardless of file size which isn't too terrible | 17:00 |
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| clarkb | hrm just had a 20 second request :/ | 17:02 |
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| mordred | dhellmann: have you seen os-client-config ? | 17:05 |
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| pleia2 | AJaeger: 123717 looks good now \o/ | 17:21 |
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| notmyname | clarkb: let me know (or ask in -swift) if you need help diagnosing stuff | 17:23 |
| clarkb | notmyname: will do | 17:24 |
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| notmyname | clarkb: of course there are about an infinite number of possibilities at this point, normally slow read requests like that are because of an overloaded server or drive | 17:25 |
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| bhunter71 | hi everyone. A question from someone in the process of setting up his own infra. I see that gerrit has configuration for mysql host and password.. but, I don't see much in the documentation or the puppet modules that seems to dictate, or suggest, how one manages their mysql services. Is this entirely left as an exercise for the reader, or am I missing something? | 17:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Publish devstack documents https://review.openstack.org/126716 | 17:26 |
| AJaeger_ | pleia2: thanks a lot for testing! | 17:27 |
| pleia2 | AJaeger_: sure thing | 17:27 |
| clarkb | bhunter71 ya its mostly an exercise for the reader. we use trove db as a service databases | 17:27 |
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| clarkb | you can use puppet to spin up local mysql servers as an easy alternative | 17:28 |
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| bhunter71 | clarkb: thank you! | 17:29 |
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| clarkb | ok unscientific poll time | 17:46 |
| clarkb | how would people in this channel feel about ditching the regular scp log uploads for the infra jobs? | 17:46 |
| clarkb | so that we can further dogfood the swift uploads (we need to do more number gathering and debugging before we do that, but I think it would be a great way to dive in and make this stuff work well) | 17:47 |
| fungi | i for one welcome our... meh. that meme is getting teh oldnez | 17:47 |
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| fungi | but yeah, i say go for it. if we can't manage to make it work for ourselves, then we shouldn't be pretending to work on it | 17:47 |
| mordred | clarkb: ++ | 17:48 |
| pleia2 | sounds good to me | 17:48 |
| adam_g | clarkb, would that mean i could download an entire swift container of a jobs log output instead of wget'ing logs one by one? | 17:48 |
| clarkb | adam_g: no | 17:48 |
| adam_g | rats | 17:49 |
| clarkb | adam_g: the current implementation is one giant container | 17:49 |
| fungi | adam_g: it's not container per job | 17:49 |
| clarkb | not a container per job run | 17:49 |
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| AJaeger_ | clarkb: go for it... | 17:49 |
| notmyname | clarkb: adam_g: you could do that if you added dynamic manifests | 17:49 |
| clarkb | notmyname: even with tempurls and prefixes? | 17:49 |
| fungi | also, screw unscientific polls. we should be doing this for the right reasons. FOR SCIENCE! | 17:49 |
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| notmyname | clarkb: tempurl for the manifest, the rest are internal requests | 17:49 |
| AJaeger_ | for FUN! | 17:49 |
| fungi | AJaeger_: those are synonyms! | 17:50 |
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| clarkb | also the way it works out swift isn't good for directly serving data on its own | 17:50 |
| clarkb | beause implementation raisins | 17:50 |
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| clarkb | so we are proxying swift for you | 17:50 |
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| fungi | well, in this case because we want to mangle the data en route | 17:50 |
| clarkb | fungi: and rax doesn't do public swift without cdn | 17:50 |
| fungi | neither of those is a shortcoming of swift though | 17:51 |
| clarkb | right implementation raisins | 17:51 |
| fungi | one is our design choice, and the other is our service provider's design choice | 17:51 |
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| * mordred wishes there were an openstack way to interact with provider cdn design choice | 17:51 | |
| fungi | cdnaas! | 17:52 |
| * notmyname has wanted an "openstack cdn" project for a long time | 17:52 | |
| fungi | you know, for kids! | 17:53 |
| clarkb | are swift GETs rate limited by rax too? we may run into that | 17:53 |
| anteaya | canadian | 17:53 |
| clarkb | also puts | 17:53 |
| anteaya | thereare a few openstack canadians, but only a few | 17:53 |
| notmyname | clarkb: probably not GETs. yes to PUTs, depending on the size of the container. IIRC it's something like 100 PUTs/sec/container | 17:53 |
| fungi | anteaya: introducing "openstack cdn, code-named canadia" | 17:53 |
| notmyname | clarkb: ie the most restrictive | 17:53 |
| anteaya | fungi: :D | 17:54 |
| anteaya | a maple leaf has to get in there somewhere | 17:54 |
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| AJaeger_ | We should launch at the L summit ;) | 17:55 |
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| clarkb | oh heads up tomorrow is DMV day | 17:56 |
| clarkb | so I may or may not be useful tomorrow depending on how that goes | 17:56 |
| clarkb | also OR makes you take a drivers test again | 17:56 |
| fungi | i just went today. there is one dmv in this entire island chain, and it's a one-person counter in the back of a pharmacy | 17:56 |
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| clarkb | fungi: did you take a test? | 17:57 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: hope it goes well | 17:57 |
| fungi | seriously, not only do they not have their own building, they don't even have their own separate door | 17:57 |
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| anteaya | hope the lines aren't too long | 17:57 |
| anteaya | fungi: sounds like my hometown | 17:57 |
| fungi | nah, just had to renew registration and since we changed counties we had to go to the dmv in person | 17:57 |
| anteaya | the stationary store was the post office, parcel pickup for one of the couriers and the dry cleaner drop off | 17:58 |
| fungi | get your packages and laundry in one convenient location. nothing at all wrong with that ;) | 17:58 |
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| anteaya | exactly | 17:59 |
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| anteaya | plus the same person worked there for 30 years | 17:59 |
| anteaya | so she knew what you wanted by the time you made it back to the counter | 17:59 |
| anteaya | no waiting | 17:59 |
| fungi | though i think the counter in the pharmacy is just the tag office. for examinations it looks like we'd have to go to the police station | 18:00 |
| anteaya | lines? phfffff | 18:00 |
| fungi | and then one of the police officers on duty issues the written and driving tests | 18:00 |
| anteaya | awesome | 18:00 |
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| fungi | s/one of the police officers/the police officer/ | 18:01 |
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| AJaeger_ | I'm lost on what you're discussing. Do you need to renew your drivers license yearly? | 18:01 |
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| fungi | AJaeger_: where i live it's every 8-15 years after you're 25 years old, but you have to renew the registration on vehicles every year | 18:02 |
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| AJaeger_ | fungi: thanks for the explanation. You live in a very strange country ;) | 18:02 |
| fungi | and pay property tax on them when you renew the registrationm | 18:02 |
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| fungi | yes, i've lived here all my life and always thought of it as a very strange country | 18:03 |
| AJaeger_ | We Germans never renew the drivers license but have to go every two years with cars for a "check" and if the car doesn't pass, you're not allowed to drive it. | 18:03 |
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| AJaeger_ | I guess we're strange in other ways ;) | 18:03 |
| fungi | we do also have inspections, separate from (but now treated as a prerequisite for) vehicle registration. the inspections are also done every year. this all varies from state to state within the usa though | 18:04 |
| openstackgerrit | greghaynes proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Add tripleo-ha job to diskimage-builder https://review.openstack.org/126961 | 18:04 |
| AJaeger_ | fungi: they keep you busy ;) | 18:04 |
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| fungi | in my state, commercial auto mechanic shops are licensed to perform the inspections, they report those to the state department of motor vehicles, who outsource registration and tag issuance to privately-licensed companies as well | 18:05 |
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| fungi | but then they have official offices, tied to the law enforcement division of the state government, who perform the ldriver's license tests and issue the licenses | 18:06 |
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| anteaya | okay there it is, the latest shuffle and additions: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TC_Elections_October_2014#Responses_to_TC_Election_Questions | 18:06 |
| anteaya | I can't make anybody happy anymore, so as long as everyone hates me equally that is the best I can aim for | 18:06 |
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| fungi | anteaya: for what it's worth, the lack of atc-ness for tc nominees came as a surprise to me too | 18:07 |
| anteaya | if anyone spots an error of fact please tell me so I can fix it | 18:07 |
| anteaya | fungi: thanks | 18:07 |
| anteaya | glad I wasn't the only one blind to that one | 18:07 |
| anteaya | so now I am going for a walk | 18:07 |
| fungi | not that i expect a non-atc to get elected to the tc, like, ever. still surprising | 18:07 |
| anteaya | my apologies for doing next to nothing on project-config this week | 18:07 |
| anteaya | fungi: I have no comment on your last statement | 18:08 |
| anteaya | as that could be construed as me having an opinion about candidates | 18:08 |
| anteaya | which I can't have | 18:08 |
| anteaya | talk to you in a few hours | 18:08 |
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| rcrit | How would I go about proposing a new gate job type? devstack now has support for SSL. It would be nice to run its exercises in SSL mode as a gate job. | 18:10 |
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| * AJaeger_ was surprised as well | 18:11 | |
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| AJaeger_ | gate-project-config-bashate is broken in project-config - I'm on it... | 18:15 |
| fungi | rcrit: the devstack-gate job templates are defined in http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/jenkins/jobs/devstack-gate.yaml | 18:16 |
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| fungi | rcrit: though you might want to talk to the wonderful people in #openstack-qa since you're talking about testing devstack itself | 18:16 |
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| rcrit | actually, I want to test all openstack commits | 18:17 |
| fungi | rcrit: then you *definitely* want to take this discussion to #openstack-qa | 18:17 |
| rcrit | ok, thanks | 18:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Fix bashate failure https://review.openstack.org/126963 | 18:17 |
| fungi | since the why will be more important than the how | 18:17 |
| * AJaeger_ wonders why this went in at all, don't we gate for bashate? | 18:17 | |
| rcrit | :-) | 18:17 |
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| fungi | rcrit: running an extra job just to test some particular feature is generally a lot more expensive than testing it within the scope of an existing job | 18:18 |
| clarkb | ya if ssl works lets make it default | 18:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Gate on bashate for project-config https://review.openstack.org/126965 | 18:19 |
| fungi | rcrit: also, we worked hard to stop using the devstack exercises in our ci jobs. it should probably be tested by something more tempesty | 18:19 |
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| rcrit | ok, I can start poking at tempest again. Its SSL client lacked a lot of features the last time I looked | 18:20 |
| rcrit | I would propose SSL as non-voting to start I think, work out the kinks, then try to switch over | 18:20 |
| clarkb | which client? | 18:21 |
| AJaeger_ | clarkb, fungi: since we have no gating for bashate, an older patch just merged in that broke the bashate check job | 18:22 |
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| AJaeger_ | clarkb, fungi: patches https://review.openstack.org/126963 and https://review.openstack.org/126965 should fix it. I'll ping you once the testsuite passes... | 18:23 |
| fungi | AJaeger_: amusing. i guess we should add it to the gate pipeline | 18:23 |
| AJaeger_ | fungi: that's 126965 ;) | 18:23 |
| pleia2 | thanks AJaeger_ :) | 18:23 |
| * AJaeger_ approved the patch that broke it ;( | 18:23 | |
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| pleia2 | AJaeger_: why are there two of you? | 18:23 |
| pleia2 | AJaeger_, AJaeger | 18:24 |
| AJaeger_ | pleia2: AJaeger is my desktop at work, AJaeger_ the laptop I'm on right now... | 18:24 |
| pleia2 | aha :) | 18:24 |
| AJaeger_ | pleia2: there's only one of me ;) | 18:24 |
| pleia2 | shame | 18:24 |
| rcrit | clarkb, which SSL client? tempest has one built in. IIRC there was no way to define the SSL CA cert. I changed direction in devstack to add the deployed CA to the global store which would probably solve that problem | 18:25 |
| pleia2 | we all should have proper clones | 18:25 |
| clarkb | oh in tempest gotcha | 18:25 |
| fungi | git clone pleia2 pleia3 | 18:25 |
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| greghaynes | AJaeger_: on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126963 why is that one function so special (compared to the other functions which seem like they have the same formatting) | 18:28 |
| greghaynes | curious if that actually fixes the bashate fail... | 18:29 |
| greghaynes | oh | 18:29 |
| greghaynes | was reading it backwards, nothing to see here, move along | 18:29 |
| AJaeger_ | greghaynes: ;) | 18:29 |
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| AJaeger_ | greghaynes: bashate passes with my patch: https://jenkins04.openstack.org/job/gate-project-config-bashate/56/ | 18:30 |
| clarkb | is the bashate job voting now? | 18:30 |
| AJaeger_ | clarkb: yes, it is | 18:30 |
| * pleia2 waits for jenkins to do its thing | 18:30 | |
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| AJaeger_ | clarkb: but it wasn't voting when one patch was tested - and it wasn't in the gate pipeline | 18:31 |
| AJaeger_ | so one patch slipped through... | 18:31 |
| clarkb | gotcha | 18:31 |
| pleia2 | fungi: can I get a +A here? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118918/ (talk was given almost a month ago :)) | 18:33 |
| pleia2 | plus I need to add bashate to the slides for the next one :D | 18:33 |
| AJaeger_ | thanks all for reviews and approvals. I'll approve 126965 myself once it passes (I should have put it after the other) | 18:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/publications: Update slides for Fossetcon https://review.openstack.org/118918 | 18:34 |
| fungi | AJaeger_: good deal. and thanks for fixing that | 18:34 |
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| pleia2 | fungi: thank you | 18:35 |
| pleia2 | I left the git tag I need in the comments for 118918 when someone has a chance | 18:36 |
| clarkb | currently phoning. can tag when I have proper terminal | 18:37 |
| dhellmann | mordred: I have not seen os-client-config | 18:39 |
| fungi | pleia2: will tag now | 18:39 |
| pleia2 | fungi: thanks again! | 18:39 |
| mordred | dhellmann: it's a library I wrote as part of my work towards making ansible good enough to use for node provisinoing in infra | 18:39 |
| dhellmann | mordred: that looks like something dtroyer & co. in the sdk team should know about | 18:39 |
| mordred | dhellmann: yup. dtroyer hacks on it | 18:40 |
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| mordred | dhellmann: and I believe is already using it in openstackclient | 18:40 |
| dhellmann | mordred: we were just talking yesterday about some changes terry howe is making to the sdk to support auth plugins | 18:40 |
| mordred | dhellmann: I was wondering if we should think about it in oslo context and/or write patches to python*client to use it - but I'm about to walk out the door | 18:40 |
| dhellmann | feels related | 18:40 |
| dhellmann | mordred: I want all of the client stuff to live in the sdk project soon. | 18:41 |
| dhellmann | that feels like a good focused place for it, rather than the oslo grab bag | 18:41 |
| clarkb | is sdk active? | 18:41 |
| dhellmann | clarkb: there is a small team, but yes, it's active | 18:41 |
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| dhellmann | regular meetings and everything | 18:42 |
| mordred | dhellmann: kk | 18:42 |
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| dhellmann | clarkb: we even have an irc channel: #openstack-sdks | 18:42 |
| mordred | dhellmann: I have one more feature I want to add to os-client-config, then I think it's pretty much done | 18:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Fix bashate failure https://review.openstack.org/126963 | 18:42 |
| clarkb | ya I was in there for a while and think I was the only person that said anything | 18:42 |
| clarkb | hence the question :) | 18:43 |
| fungi | do we have any idea on a timeline to getting a formal program proposal in front of the tc? | 18:43 |
| dhellmann | clarkb: ah, well, the channel may not be very active :-) | 18:43 |
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| dhellmann | fungi: I think we're waiting to see the outcome of the current "do we want to incubate things any more?" discussion | 18:44 |
| fungi | mmm | 18:44 |
| fungi | well, if it's not stuff going into an integrated release, then the incubation discussion seems at most tangential | 18:44 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann: that is one reason, another is time on my part | 18:44 |
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| dhellmann | fungi: yeah, the "officialness" criteria may be changing | 18:45 |
| fungi | now if it's "let's hold off proposing a new program if we're talking about maybe getting rid of programs" then that discussion is certainly more on point | 18:45 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer: maybe we can find foundation money to buy us all longer days? | 18:46 |
| dhellmann | fungi: right, that's what I mean | 18:46 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann: also, fwiw, os-client-config will appear in osc as soon as it's able to be put into global requirements… | 18:46 |
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| fungi | dhellmann: trust me, if they could buy longer days i'd already be expensing those | 18:46 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer: the requirements freeze has lifted, so we could do that now if that was the only blocker | 18:46 |
| dhellmann | fungi: ++ | 18:46 |
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| dtroyer | dhellmann: that was one, getting into stackforge was one… mordred mentioned another feature. I think I had one more thing I wanted to consider too but it's been more than a week and has been paged out to mental-disk | 18:47 |
| fungi | that's one more thing i should expense. a larger mental-disk. one with faster read times would be good too | 18:48 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer: I need to get one of those mental-disks. When I page things out, they just go away. | 18:48 |
| dtroyer | you don't want mine, it's really a drum with seek times measured in minutes | 18:48 |
| fungi | sometimes i page things out to actual pages. of paper. that works until fragmentation sets in | 18:49 |
| dtroyer | fungi: that's what tape is for | 18:49 |
| dtroyer | er, sticky-tape | 18:49 |
| fungi | dtroyer: linear tape--brilliant! | 18:49 |
| AJaeger_ | dhellmann, mordred : could you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120566/ , please? No need to copy the docutils-pin around... | 18:49 |
| * fungi fondly recalls using tar for the actual use implied by its name | 18:50 | |
| bswartz | I have a question about stable branches | 18:50 |
| bswartz | who has the power to +2A changes into proposed/juno and stable/juno: | 18:51 |
| bswartz | ? | 18:51 |
| AJaeger_ | bswartz: ttx has | 18:51 |
| fungi | bswartz: the former is https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/11,members and the latter is https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/120,members | 18:52 |
| fungi | (proposed and stable are managed by separate groups) | 18:52 |
| AJaeger_ | fungi, your mental disk is really good that you can come up so fast with such links... | 18:52 |
| bswartz | okay thanks | 18:53 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-dev/specs-cookiecutter: Remove docutils pin https://review.openstack.org/120566 | 18:53 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger_: +2a | 18:53 |
| AJaeger_ | dhellmann: thanks | 18:53 |
| bswartz | AJaeger_: it's probably a mental SSD | 18:53 |
| * fungi uses mental nand backed by a large ram cache | 18:53 | |
| bswartz | so what do I do if I want to join the openstack-stable-maint team? | 18:54 |
| fungi | actually, my brain is only an array of pointers to actual data on the internet, i've come to realize | 18:54 |
| bswartz | fungi: +1 | 18:54 |
| fungi | bswartz: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch#Joining_the_Team | 18:55 |
| fungi | might be a linked list of pointers, for that matter | 18:55 |
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| mrmartin | re | 18:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Gate on bashate for project-config https://review.openstack.org/126965 | 19:00 |
| fungi | mrmartin: i'm almost done setting up what we need for 119364 and merging that momentarily | 19:00 |
| mrmartin | Maybe somebody knows a better solution to this: https://github.com/openstack-infra/config/blob/master/modules/gerrit/manifests/init.pp#L507 Seems to be that if the file download fails and left a fragment of a half-downloaded file, this part never will run again until the broken file is removed. Could we autoremove the leftover somehow? | 19:01 |
| fungi | mrmartin: so if you expect to be around for a little while, i'll pick your brain on any issues i encounter booting the server and testing functionality | 19:01 |
| mrmartin | hi fungi: great, but I have some concers regarding loggin / monitoring / security :) | 19:01 |
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| mrmartin | concern of course and logging | 19:02 |
| fungi | mrmartin: understandable. we don't have to expose it to the entire internet yet if we want to limit testing of the production interface to specific source addresses | 19:02 |
| mrmartin | I agree. | 19:03 |
| fungi | mrmartin: and i saw your questions about logging/monitoring. we've discussed the monitoring challenge already. on the logging front, we don't currently have anywhere "safe" to publish logs and restrict access to them. is there any risk of openstackid exposing sensitive information in its logs? | 19:03 |
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| mrmartin | fungi: I really don't know, maybe a code audit could be great there to review what this code does in the background | 19:04 |
| fungi | mrmartin: and any reason our root sysadmins can't just ssh into the server and analyze the logs there locally while a central logging solution is worked out, if that ends up being necessary? | 19:05 |
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| mrmartin | but I guess, a middle-term solution can be to deploy a log-analyzer with a limited access. | 19:05 |
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| mrmartin | fungi: yeap, it can go with this way. I think the problem here is non-technical, I rather feel the limitation of our resources somehow. | 19:06 |
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| fungi | mrmartin: okay, all hiera entries have been added, including production https cert. production db credentials have been tested. dns for the domain is under our control | 19:17 |
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| mrmartin | fungi: what is the public ip of the openstackid.org instance? | 19:18 |
| fungi | mrmartin: i'm going to approve 119364 and then put together a separate patch to temporarily limit remote access to the site with iptables until we're happy with it | 19:19 |
| fungi | mrmartin: the ip address will get automatically assigned by rackspace's nova controller when i boot the server | 19:19 |
| fungi | mrmartin: so i don't know yet (or else it would already be entered in dns) | 19:19 |
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| mrmartin | fungi: ok, I don't have a fixed ip here, so need to setup some http proxy through a fixed address, will do this tomorrow | 19:20 |
| mrmartin | have you bought the x509 certs for this domain? | 19:21 |
| fungi | mrmartin: that's fine. we can make adjustments to the firewall rules on it as needed, and fairly quickly | 19:21 |
| fungi | mrmartin: yes, the official cert, key and trust chain pem are already in hiera | 19:21 |
| mrmartin | cool | 19:21 |
| fungi | the openstackid.org cert chains up through comodo like our other openstack.org sites, and is valid for two years from this past monday | 19:22 |
| mrmartin | do we have some monitoring for cert expirations? :) | 19:22 |
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| fungi | mrmartin: basically every july one of the infra team orders all new certs for any which are expiring in the coming year | 19:23 |
| fungi | mrmartin: though i think pleia2 may have set up certcheck for us or something like that as well... can't remember at the moment | 19:23 |
| mrmartin | oh, it is good practice. | 19:23 |
| mrmartin | ok, I need to leave soon, because I'm working since early morning, and want to get some IRL life too. Feel free to drop me an email if any help required and I'll check it tomorrow morning. | 19:26 |
| fungi | mrmartin: i'll be happy to | 19:26 |
| fungi | mrmartin: also hopefully someone will have a good suggestion for your partial-file download puppet automation question | 19:27 |
| mrmartin | I found the solution, the gerrit puppet is buggy :) | 19:27 |
| mrmartin | need to specify a temp dir to wget, so it wil move the successfully download file. | 19:27 |
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| pleia2 | yeah, there's a config file that we add ssl domains to now so root admins get emails about expirations | 19:28 |
| mrmartin | of course this won't protect against failures during last step when wget moves the file and this broke. I had a timeout due a slow internet, and it can happen in the real life. | 19:28 |
| * pleia2 looks for it | 19:29 | |
| pleia2 | yeah, add it to here: modules/openstack_project/files/ssl_cert_check/ssldomains | 19:30 |
| fungi | pleia2: oh, excellent. patch coming (though shouldn't get approved until after the server is live, since there's nothing for it to check yet) | 19:30 |
| fungi | mrmartin: got it. i misread your original comment then. thanks for the tip! we should totally fix the gerrit manifest | 19:32 |
| pleia2 | lunchtime (ordered sushi, need to devote full attention to defending it against my cat) | 19:32 |
| mrmartin | I'm working on askbot integration, and it requires an apache solr. same story, need to deploy from a tar.gz | 19:32 |
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| fungi | i did lunch on the island with the dmv, since it has one of the only three breweries here and i don't get there often enough | 19:34 |
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| dhellmann | AJaeger: for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124783/4 can I delete the rtfd jobs in a second patch? I want to at least keep the docs we can build going until the new versions are online | 19:36 |
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| nibalizer | can confirm, texmex is happening | 19:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Devananda van der Veen proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Add missing docimpact-group for Ironic config https://review.openstack.org/126982 | 19:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Add trove-specs to specs.openstack.org https://review.openstack.org/126954 | 19:51 |
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| devananda | jroll: backport of your fix to juno ^ | 19:52 |
| AJaeger_ | dhellmann: sure, just make it dependend on this one. I'll +2... | 19:53 |
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| fungi | clarkb: oops! http://logs.openstack.org/64/119364/6/gate/gate-infra-puppet-apply-centos6/53e8113/console.html#_2014-10-08_19_39_20_939 | 20:07 |
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| fungi | clarkb: "502 Proxy Error" coming back from some step during console log collection/upload | 20:07 |
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| fungi | clarkb: it just hit this one job on the change in question, so seems to be nondeterministic behavior | 20:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Christian Berendt proposed a change to openstack-dev/hacking: Add hacking check H105: do not use author tags https://review.openstack.org/126992 | 20:28 |
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| clarkb | fungi: fun | 20:31 |
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| fungi | clarkb: any guess whether that's coming from the jenkins web interface or the rackspace swift endpoint? | 20:32 |
| * fungi suspects the latter | 20:32 | |
| clarkb | fungi: I think jenkins | 20:33 |
| clarkb | I want to say I have randomly seen jenkins complain about the proxy setup | 20:33 |
| notmyname | are you using swift's bulk feature? | 20:33 |
| clarkb | notmyname: I don't think so? | 20:33 |
| clarkb | notmyname: I can link you our script in a sec | 20:33 |
| notmyname | swift bulk middleware is the only place the string "502 " exists in the swift code, and specifically it's for "502 Bad Gateway" | 20:33 |
| fungi | clarkb: "proxy" in this case is apache in front of jetty or some such? | 20:33 |
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| notmyname | therefore, jenkins | 20:33 |
| fungi | notmyname: well, do you know for sure rackspace has no proxy in front of their swift servers? | 20:34 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya apache in front of jenkins | 20:34 |
| notmyname | well, they have load balancers. so it's possible it could be that (I doubt it though) | 20:34 |
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| fungi | agreed. sounds likely to be our apache on the jenkins masters occasionally not getting a response from the java-based web interface in the jenkins jvm | 20:36 |
| clarkb | notmyname: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/jenkins/scripts/zuul_swift_upload.py#n81 if you are curious | 20:36 |
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| notmyname | clarkb: looks like form post with multiple files. does that sound right? | 20:39 |
| clarkb | notmyname: yup | 20:39 |
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| notmyname | bulk is slightly different. it allows you to upload one .tar[.gz] and store the files in it as individual objects | 20:40 |
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| clarkb | oh hrm we should look into that | 20:40 |
| clarkb | but that can be a future improvement | 20:40 |
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| fungi | yeah, that sounds like it could improve upload speed for larger artifact sets | 20:42 |
| fungi | lots fewer requests | 20:42 |
| notmyname | especially if you are transferring compressed stuff (logs compress really! well) | 20:42 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Openstackid.org openid instance https://review.openstack.org/119364 | 20:42 |
| fungi | well, they're mostly pre-compressed in this case, but yes | 20:43 |
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| fungi | we could consider switching the individual artifact compression to tarring up all the raw artifacts later once we're all-swift-all-the-time | 20:44 |
| fungi | would probably save a smidge on the job-side compression that way too | 20:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: remove rtfd docs jobs for cliff and stevedore https://review.openstack.org/127003 | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger: ^^ | 20:47 |
| clarkb | mtreinish: for 124190, any reason not to merge that now? | 20:48 |
| clarkb | mtreinish: mostly thinking if ironic isn't quite there | 20:48 |
| clarkb | adam_g: ^ | 20:48 |
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| adam_g | clarkb, nah thats not used by ironic at all. the failing ironic sideways is a devstack bug (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126420/) | 20:50 |
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| clarkb | thanks | 20:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed a change to openstack-dev/pbr: Clean up links and docs https://review.openstack.org/122852 | 20:55 |
| lemongrab | Hi, I'm running into some issues using Builder Macros in Jenkins Job Builder. I'm using the !include-raw and !include-raw-escape tags to include shell scripts into these macros, but it seem that if I use !include-raw, the job builder thinks that all of my braces in my scripts are JJB parameters and throws a KeyError. If I use !include-raw-escape then the braces actually show up as being doubled in the shell section of my j | 20:55 |
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| clarkb | lemongrab: are they doubled up in your file? | 20:57 |
| clarkb | lemongrab: include raw means a one to one inclusion without any escaping | 20:58 |
| fungi | lemongrab: interesting. i know when we include them as inline blocks we need to escape some with double-curly bracketing {{ }} to make it pass through without being interpreted by the jjb parameter expansion | 20:58 |
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| clarkb | I have learned much about pcre in the last 5 minutes | 21:03 |
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| lemongrab | no in the actual shell script files, the are all single braces, so if I try to use just !include-raw it thinks they are job variables and throws the KeyError | 21:04 |
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| lemongrab | So it seems that JJB is properly escaping the braces in the file to prevent parameter expansion, but then they get left in there as double braces when it actually gets sent to Jenkins | 21:05 |
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| mtreinish | clarkb: no it should be fine to merge | 21:06 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: that variable was just from before tempest-full was parallel | 21:07 |
| mtreinish | right now using that or tempest-full does the same exact thing | 21:07 |
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| clarkb | mtreinish: last question. devstack gate and tempest are mostly branchless. are there any branches somewhere that expect that flag? | 21:09 |
| clarkb | mtreinish: I am guessing no beause check tests seem happy | 21:09 |
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| mtreinish | clarkb: no, it's just used to specify which tox job, the only things that were using it were neutron | 21:10 |
| mtreinish | which I already fixed so it should be fine to land | 21:10 |
| mtreinish | that's actually why I wanted to remove it from d-g, because it's just a duplicate and we shouldn't be using it | 21:11 |
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| clarkb | cool approved | 21:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Monitor openstackid.org system stats with Cacti https://review.openstack.org/127024 | 21:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Revert "Temporarily disable access to openstackid.org" https://review.openstack.org/127025 | 21:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Monitor openstackid.org SSL X.509 cert expiration https://review.openstack.org/127026 | 21:16 |
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| mtreinish | clarkb: thanks | 21:16 |
| clarkb | fungi: is 127025 ready now or is that a wip thing for later? | 21:17 |
| clarkb | oh you -2'd them /me leaves them alone | 21:17 |
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| fungi | clarkb: the change that reverts should be safe to approve though, since i'll need it before i boot the server (as the commit message says) | 21:20 |
| fungi | the revert is for later once we're satisfied (whoever "we" is and however long that takes) | 21:21 |
| lemongrab | FYI It looks like if I double-up the braces manually in the files and then use !include-raw then they get "un-escaped" in the actual jenkins job, but something about using !include-raw-escaped causes it not to work | 21:21 |
| fungi | i just wanted it in place so that i could base the certcheck addition on top of it, since it will fail until we enable access to the https port | 21:21 |
| clarkb | fungi: ok | 21:21 |
| clarkb | fungi: is that 127021? | 21:23 |
| fungi | clarkb: yep! | 21:23 |
| clarkb | done! boot at will | 21:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Eric Harney proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Set tempest storage protocol for Ceph job https://review.openstack.org/126710 | 21:24 |
| fungi | clarkb: the rather hacky plan there is that i will manually whitelist sources in iptables and readd them as needed (if puppet blows them away or the server is rebooted) | 21:24 |
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| fungi | allowing us to test the interface in the near term without significant risk, since mrmartin is pushing to get a code audit performed on it first | 21:25 |
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| fungi | just want to be sure those things can happen in parallel so we don't continue to drag out the rollout any longer than absolutely necessary | 21:26 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Fix sudoers.txt.gz incorrect filename in link https://review.openstack.org/126901 | 21:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Added functional tests for Project Groups api. https://review.openstack.org/126031 | 21:27 |
| jedimike | dhellmann, thanks for your review on https://review.openstack.org/126291 , I uploaded a new change set with your suggested fixes | 21:27 |
| ianw | clarkb: when you have time, can you confirm my answers to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124256/ (Initial centos7 support for build-image.sh) were convincing enough for you? | 21:28 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: how familiar are you with how exactly our transifex workflow works? I'm chasing scripts but I think a quick call might help me a lot | 21:28 |
| pleia2 | or if someone else knows more | 21:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Added functional tests for Project Groups api. https://review.openstack.org/126031 | 21:28 |
| adam_g | anyone have a sec to clear out some failing ironic jobs from stable/icehouse? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126792/ | 21:28 |
| fungi | pleia2: AJaeger is your best bet if you can catch him early in your day. he's gone on a refactoring bender in those | 21:29 |
| pleia2 | fungi: ah, thanks, I'll grab him tomorrow morning then :) | 21:29 |
| clarkb | pleia2: pretty familiar | 21:29 |
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| clarkb | ianw: sure let me pull that up | 21:30 |
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| clarkb | ianw: oh I see you are matching against dib not our special script. now that I think about that that makes esnse | 21:30 |
| clarkb | ianw: because nodepool isn't running the special script | 21:30 |
| clarkb | ianw: let me rereview but this is likely a +2 from me | 21:31 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Temporarily disable access to openstackid.org https://review.openstack.org/127021 | 21:31 |
| clarkb | ianw: yup +2 | 21:32 |
| clarkb | pleia2: I am happy to answer questions now if you want to give it a go? | 21:32 |
| clarkb | pleia2: except I am in relatively loud place so call might be hard | 21:32 |
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| pleia2 | clarkb: I'll just follow up with AJaeger tomorrow, looking for a higher level view now rather than specifics | 21:33 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: thanks though :) | 21:33 |
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| clarkb | no problem | 21:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Stop supplying DIB_RELEASE https://review.openstack.org/126626 | 21:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Initial centos7 support for build-image.sh https://review.openstack.org/124256 | 21:41 |
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| clarkb | fungi: 123594 is related to ^ | 21:48 |
| clarkb | if someone pushes that through I can watch it | 21:48 |
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| mtreinish | clarkb, fungi: I had a quick question, when we start running subunit2sql is there an automated way to handle db migrations when we push a new release, or will that just have to be a manual thing? | 21:51 |
| mtreinish | I guess since we only need to do it once, doing it manually would be fine | 21:51 |
| fungi | mtreinish: we can define an exec in the puppet manifest which does that on each new commit or tag or whatever | 21:52 |
| clarkb | mtreinish: we can set up puppet to do that | 21:53 |
| clarkb | ya that | 21:53 |
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| fungi | and in fact we would rather do that than sully our hands with real work | 21:53 |
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| fungi | real work cuts into my video game time | 21:53 |
| mtreinish | oh, cool yeah I guess that works | 21:54 |
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| pleia2 | that's totally going into my automation slide | 21:55 |
| pleia2 | thanks fungi | 21:55 |
| fungi | happy to oblige | 21:55 |
| mtreinish | fungi: do you have an example of that somewhere, I'll put it in my subunit2sql enable branch | 21:55 |
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| pleia2 | clarkb: started playing The Last Of Us last week \o/ so there goes my evenings | 21:55 |
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| fungi | mtreinish: sure, let me get you a clean example | 21:55 |
| clarkb | pleia2: you should just stop everything else and finish it right now | 21:56 |
| greghaynes | pleia2: yes! That game is amazing! | 21:56 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: haha | 21:56 |
| jedimike | pleia2, i'm due to start that after playing through chrono trigger again :) | 21:56 |
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| mtreinish | pleia2: I've been reluctant to start it after talking to clarkb about it, because I know I won't get anything done once I start it | 21:56 |
| fungi | mtreinish: zuul runs a pip install any time the corresponding vcsrepo is updated with a new commit... http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/config/tree/modules/zuul/manifests/init.pp#n125 | 21:57 |
| pleia2 | mtreinish: my "I'm supposed to..." list is already getting scary | 21:57 |
| fungi | mtreinish: you could do something similar to run migrations | 21:57 |
| mtreinish | fungi: ok cool, thanks | 21:58 |
| fungi | mtreinish: if you already have an install exec, you could add it into that, or make a new exec for the migrations and subscribe it to the install | 21:58 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Add centos7 image to nodepool d-i-b config https://review.openstack.org/123594 | 21:58 |
| mtreinish | fungi: well, I don't have anything for the db server side yet, just the workers | 21:58 |
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| mtreinish | because honestly aside from the migrations it's just mysql (or postgres) | 21:59 |
| fungi | clarkb: pleia2: i've cleared my gaming schedule for when my pier solar hd discs arrive (the kickstarter was something like two years ago) | 21:59 |
| mtreinish | which I figured would be just trove, but I'll add a server side thing to install subunit2sql and handle the trigger there | 22:00 |
| clarkb | I have been replaying don't starve recently | 22:00 |
| clarkb | that and mario kart 8 | 22:00 |
| clarkb | now that I am in portland I can have people over and play mk8 | 22:00 |
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| fungi | mk8 makes for an amusing drinking game | 22:01 |
| pleia2 | we just got our Destiny-branded PS4 | 22:01 |
| jedimike | mk8 was what made me get a wii u | 22:01 |
| pleia2 | itching to play, but my husband paid for it so I should probably wait to set it up for when he gets home | 22:02 |
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| mtreinish | pleia2: wow, that looks awesome in white | 22:02 |
| pleia2 | mtreinish: yes! | 22:02 |
| fungi | i actually haven't played any video games since june... gave away the living room television when i moved and haven't gotten around to ordering a replacement yet. figure i'll get around to that after paris | 22:03 |
| pleia2 | I have the mostly white R2-D2 XBox 360 too (and my regular Wii), so it goes nicely :) | 22:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Added functional tests for Project api. https://review.openstack.org/126428 | 22:03 |
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| anteaya | fungi: I'd get a projector over a television | 22:05 |
| jedimike | anteaya, if it wasn't for the heat and noise, i'd have a projector | 22:05 |
| fungi | anteaya: i looked heavily into that and decided against it in the end mostly because of wiring, but also to some extent because of room layout | 22:05 |
| fungi | we're in a tight space, and the dining table/chairs are between the futon and the only reasonable location for a projection screen | 22:06 |
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| anteaya | ah yes | 22:07 |
| anteaya | heat, fan noise and line of sight all make sense | 22:07 |
| anteaya | ideally I would have the projector in the next room projecting through a hole in the wall | 22:07 |
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| fungi | so even with the projector ceiling-mounted, people's heads would get in the way at times | 22:07 |
| jedimike | i have a plasma at the moment, dreading the day it dies because lcd and oled just don't cut it | 22:07 |
| anteaya | fungi: yes and then the ceiling mount makes wiring difficult as you say | 22:08 |
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| dhellmann | jedimike: thanks, looks good | 22:08 |
| anteaya | jedimike: no idea what plasma looks like | 22:08 |
| pleia2 | jedimike: we had a plasma, then my husband won a 55" 4K LCD at a conference, the LCD is so much cooler and lighter! | 22:08 |
| pleia2 | (also, who wins TVs at conferences? gosh!) | 22:08 |
| jedimike | pleia2, but motion blur, poor response times... plasma is just so solid | 22:08 |
| fungi | hrm... the openstackid.org deploy failed because curl wasn't installed. should i add that as a requirement in the openstackid puppet module or do we want to instead assume curl and add it to our main template class? | 22:08 |
| clarkb | fungi: I think if you add it to the main template class it will ocnflict with a lot of things | 22:09 |
| fungi | fair point | 22:09 |
| pleia2 | we have scripts elsewhere to if statement around curl/wget | 22:09 |
| clarkb | fungi: probably easiest right now to do it in openstackid | 22:09 |
| fungi | yep | 22:09 |
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| pleia2 | jedimike: they aren't as bad as they used to be :) the 4K tv is nicey nice | 22:10 |
| anteaya | pleia2: who wins tvs at conferences? | 22:11 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: my husband apparently! | 22:11 |
| pleia2 | "we already have a tv" "the odds of winning the raffle were very good!" | 22:11 |
| pleia2 | engineer logic :) | 22:11 |
| jedimike | pleia2, LG's 4k OLED looks very nice, if oled wasn't extremely susceptible to burn in and didn't have lifespan problems, I'd be really interested | 22:12 |
| fungi | huh, actually this is weird. it's the deploy scripts called from the deploy-site exec failing to find curl, but that requires the $php5_packages list which includes php5-curl | 22:12 |
| pleia2 | jedimike: ours is a samsung (so was our plasma) | 22:12 |
| fungi | pleia2: yeah, i got a samsung oled for the bedroom a couple months ago and have been very impressed | 22:12 |
| jedimike | pleia2, yay samsung :) they were very nice to us when our previous plasma died a few months out of warranty | 22:12 |
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| fungi | also, i like that there's a crunchyroll app on the teevee. anime fix even with no television service hooked up | 22:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Search Project by Project Group https://review.openstack.org/126429 | 22:13 |
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| fungi | aha. 'splains it... php5-curl depends on libcurl but not the curl cli | 22:14 |
| pleia2 | doh | 22:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: OpenStackID deploy scripts use curl https://review.openstack.org/127044 | 22:18 |
| jedimike | pleia2, emma says hello :) | 22:19 |
| pleia2 | o/ emma | 22:19 |
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| pleia2 | I can see it now "pleia2 says o forward slash space emma" | 22:20 |
| fungi | /° | 22:20 |
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| jedimike | ok, waaaay past my EOD here :) g'night all! | 22:27 |
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| pleia2 | night jedimike | 22:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Add test jobs for devstack-precise-dib images https://review.openstack.org/126609 | 22:29 |
| clarkb | fungi: ^ apparently I had to rebase that :( gerrit had a sad | 22:29 |
| clarkb | fungi: c git didn't even blink so should be a fast approve | 22:30 |
| fungi | just saw | 22:30 |
| jedimike | and if anyone could look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126291/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114510/ I'd be able to wake up to some nice emails tomorrow ;) | 22:30 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: qq, is there a way to tell vcsrepo to only pull the most recent tag? | 22:35 |
| clarkb | mtreinish: no not really | 22:37 |
| clarkb | mtreinish: you can give it a specific branch to track or other ref but since tags don't really move you can't do that really easily | 22:37 |
| fungi | looking through http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-vcsrepo/tree/lib/puppet/provider/vcsrepo/git.rb to see if we're maybe missing a possibility | 22:37 |
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| fungi | but yeah, linearity would imply some algorithm to determine a tag order | 22:38 |
| fungi | there's nothing in git which demands tags be monotonically increasing values or anything | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: hmm, that's what I thought | 22:38 |
| ianw | fungi / clarkb : thanks for getting those centos7 changes in. is nodepool scheduled for a restart? i do imagine it will need baby-sitting (more than usual, anyway :) | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | I'm trying to figure out how to trigger running the db migrations when we push a new release | 22:38 |
| fungi | mtreinish: what we've generally done is specify a particular tag, and then change it in the manifest when there's a new release we want to use. either that or install from branch tip on every new commit | 22:39 |
| clarkb | ianw: it shouldn't need a restart | 22:39 |
| clarkb | ianw: everything for dib + hpcloud is ready to go | 22:39 |
| fungi | mtreinish: are migrations idempotent? just trigger them on every commit whether you need them or not? | 22:39 |
| * clarkb checks | 22:39 | |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Add single_use_slave coverage to the apply tests https://review.openstack.org/117389 | 22:40 |
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| fungi | mtreinish: or have puppet watch the migrations fileset and trigger when that changes rather than when the vcsrepo object updates? | 22:40 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: I was trying to avoid that. Because while I'd like to make that guarantee on each commit, I don't think I'm good at writing them to ensure that. | 22:41 |
| ianw | clarkb: ah, true, i guess the config should be picked up. cool | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | I'm afraid I'll need to change a migration after I commit it | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | which is why I've been saying so far only after a release will they be stable | 22:42 |
| fungi | mmm | 22:42 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Add test jobs for devstack-precise-dib images https://review.openstack.org/126609 | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | I also didn't really want to CD it for that reason too | 22:43 |
| fungi | mtreinish: then i guess we just commit a change to the puppet manifest to specify the tag to which we want to upgrade | 22:43 |
| fungi | i mean, you could do something hacky like commit a file which says what migrations are actually safe to run, but uhg | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | fungi: heh, ok I guess we're semi-manual then. But it's still better than having to run the db-manage command manually | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | yeah I think just doing that is fine | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | I don't expect we'll have too many releases after a while | 22:44 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: unless you can subscribe to pip and ensure latest, would that work? | 22:45 |
| fungi | mtreinish: also, commits to the config repo which just change a tag value in a puppet class parameter are quick and easy to review/approve | 22:45 |
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| fungi | mtreinish: i think the pip package provider can ensure => latest yes | 22:45 |
| fungi | clarkb: ^ ? | 22:45 |
| krotscheck | Can someone give me a quick overview on what differences I might encounter between py26 and py27? I have a unit test failing in the former, not the latter, and it runs fine on my machine :/ | 22:47 |
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| clarkb | fungi: ya pip can ensure latest | 22:48 |
| krotscheck | Reference: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126031/ | 22:48 |
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| clarkb | hrm not seeing cneots7 images being built | 22:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add subunit2sql gearman workers https://review.openstack.org/108003 | 22:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add subunit2sql server configuraion https://review.openstack.org/127060 | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | fungi: ^^^ the rough idea, I'm sure I screwed something up | 22:51 |
| clarkb | Exception: Invalid image config. Must specify either a setup script, or a diskimage to use. | 22:52 |
| clarkb | not sure why that would happen yet | 22:52 |
| fungi | krotscheck: sorry... been so long since i've had to think about it, i don't recall the gotchas any longer | 22:52 |
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| clarkb | oh derp | 22:52 |
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| clarkb | ianw: you need to add that diskiamge to the diskimages section at the end of the nodepool.yaml file | 22:52 |
| clarkb | should've caught that in review, but this is all brand new | 22:53 |
| ianw | clarkb: hmm, looking... | 22:53 |
| fungi | krotscheck: if you can spin up a current centos 6 virtual machine and run tox -e py26 there, you might be able to debug by adding noise or stepping through manually | 22:53 |
| fungi | clarkb: oh, oops! i didn't think to look either :/ | 22:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add subunit2sql server configuraion https://review.openstack.org/127060 | 22:54 |
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| anteaya | fungi: can you disable 12778 hds-hnas-ci HDS HNAS CI OpenStackDevelopment@hds.com | 22:56 |
| anteaya | please? | 22:56 |
| fungi | mtreinish: yeah, without reviewing all hundreds of lines, the pip package/subscribed exec bits look right to me | 22:56 |
| krotscheck | fungi: Yeah, jesusaurus just recommended I do that with Rhel. | 22:56 |
| fungi | anteaya: done | 22:56 |
| ianw | clarkb: arrgh, sorry seems i dropped in accidentally in the rebase between 3&4 | 22:56 |
| ianw | s/in/it | 22:56 |
| anteaya | fungi: thanks | 22:56 |
| fungi | krotscheck: that's because jesusaurus is a corporate shill who supports licensing fees ;) | 22:57 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: ok cool, at least that's a step in the right direction | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | thanks for the help | 22:57 |
| fungi | yw | 22:57 |
| fungi | krotscheck: but in seriousness, yes, latest rhel 6 or centos 6 | 22:57 |
| krotscheck | fungi: It’s true! He’s sitting in a corporate office right now! I can see him! | 22:58 |
| fungi | heh | 22:58 |
| jesusaurus | fungi: or because i dont trust the version of python on rhel ;) | 22:58 |
| fungi | krotscheck: it's worth noting, as brought up again recently on the -dev ml, we're not testing python 2.6 compatibility. we're testing rhel/centos python compatibility. they're not strictly the same :( | 22:58 |
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| fungi | red hat selectively backports things from python 2.7 to their 2.6 packages | 22:59 |
| krotscheck | fungi: So I’ve been enlightened. This python world is entertaining and full of unicorns. | 22:59 |
| mordred | it's not just python | 23:00 |
| clarkb | fungi: and 3.3 to 2.6 | 23:00 |
| mordred | redhat does this with EVERYTHING | 23:00 |
| fungi | then again, debian backports things from python 3 to their 2.7 packages too, so poop on everyone | 23:00 |
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| mordred | it defeats the entire intent of that policy | 23:00 |
| mordred | btw | 23:00 |
| fungi | yeah | 23:00 |
| mordred | and is one of the clearest example of people follow the letter and not the spirit of the law | 23:00 |
| fungi | i know that, you know that, the dog knows that, but the fine folks at fortune-100 companies paying hundreds of thousands a year for site licenses of rhel have no clue | 23:01 |
| * mordred remembers rhel4 having a 2.4 kernel - except that it had most of 2.6 ported in | 23:01 | |
| openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add centos7 to nodepool diskimage config https://review.openstack.org/127065 | 23:01 |
| ianw | clarkb: ^ | 23:02 |
| clarkb | thanks reviewing now | 23:02 |
| fungi | mordred: i remember red hat 7 shipping "gcc 2.96" from a cvs snapshot | 23:02 |
| fungi | mordred: this is not new | 23:02 |
| clarkb | ianw: +2 | 23:03 |
| clarkb | fungi: mordred ^ | 23:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add subunit2sql gearman workers https://review.openstack.org/108003 | 23:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add subunit2sql server configuraion https://review.openstack.org/127060 | 23:03 |
| krotscheck | Yeah, well, in the end what’s happening is that my functional tests are breaking. And now I have to spin up a centos vm to see why. And as a result I am mildly inconvenienced, which means that I’m going to blow things out of proportion and just assume that redhat can die in a fire. | 23:03 |
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| * krotscheck is just whining | 23:03 | |
| clarkb | krotscheck: wait why support 2.6 at all | 23:04 |
| mordred | krotscheck, clarkb, fungi: I vote we drop 2.6 support from storyboard | 23:04 |
| clarkb | we don't need it and we are an install base of 1 right? | 23:04 |
| clarkb | mordred: +1 | 23:04 |
| fungi | krotscheck: i'm with clarkb on this one. people who want centos/rhel can install 7.x. it, like, exists and stuff now | 23:04 |
| mordred | what fungi said | 23:04 |
| krotscheck | Actually, I’ve seen evidence of other people maybe having installs. | 23:05 |
| mordred | honestly, I'd be fine with just using 3.4 and dropping 2.7 support | 23:05 |
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| mordred | krotscheck: sure - but probably none of them _need_ to install it on 2.6 | 23:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add subunit2sql gearman workers https://review.openstack.org/108003 | 23:05 |
| krotscheck | Point | 23:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add subunit2sql server configuraion https://review.openstack.org/127060 | 23:05 |
| krotscheck | juuuust a minute. | 23:05 |
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| fungi | yeah, seriously everyone has a usable py3k now. at least once debian/jessie releases | 23:05 |
| mordred | also, seriously ... we could just drop python2 and only do python3 if we wanted to - we're not using any python3 averse technology in storyboard | 23:06 |
| krotscheck | Right, so I’m going to be tactical here first, because things are breaking, and get rid of 26. | 23:06 |
| mordred | krotscheck: ++ | 23:06 |
| fungi | krotscheck: this sounds like the right fix to me | 23:06 |
| mordred | clarkb, ianw: why pass in a release for the centos image | 23:06 |
| clarkb | mordred: isn't it required? | 23:07 |
| mordred | it's got a default value in the centos7 element | 23:07 |
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| mordred | clarkb: if it's required, we shoudl fix that | 23:07 |
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| clarkb | mordred: I actually don't know enough about dib to know | 23:07 |
| mordred | it has a default value | 23:07 |
| mordred | you do _not_ have to provide it | 23:07 |
| mordred | and the value in that file is identical to the value in the centos7 element | 23:07 |
| fungi | mordred: should we remove it from the precise images too? | 23:08 |
| fungi | and trusty? | 23:08 |
| ianw | mordred: i was thinking it should pin it to isolate itself from changes in upstream d-i-b | 23:08 |
| mordred | fungi: no - the default value is trusty | 23:08 |
| fungi | ahh, well we do have release: trusty on the trusty images | 23:08 |
| mordred | ianw: I worry that there are two reasons that upstream will change that | 23:08 |
| mordred | ianw: a) the old image goes away and is replaced by a new one | 23:08 |
| mordred | ianw: b) there is a change to the element that _requires_ a newer image | 23:09 |
| mordred | in both cases, we probably dont' want to be isolated | 23:09 |
| mordred | BUT | 23:09 |
| mordred | I've thought about this for exactly 1 minute | 23:09 |
| mordred | so I may be vastly wrong | 23:09 |
| clarkb | fungi: we want release trusty on trusty because when ubuntu releases unicorn we will lose | 23:09 |
| fungi | that's more than long enough for you to form an opinion, who are you kidding? | 23:09 |
| clarkb | fungi: however with centos7 I am guessing the matrix is different? | 23:09 |
| mordred | clarkb: that's not entirely true | 23:09 |
| mordred | clarkb: it's when dib changes the default in the ubuntu element | 23:09 |
| clarkb | mordred: it isn't? you don't expect dib to update to unicorn? | 23:09 |
| mordred | BUT | 23:09 |
| mordred | I agree | 23:09 |
| clarkb | right | 23:09 |
| mordred | I'm just being pedantic | 23:10 |
| fungi | so probably we should drop it from centos7 diskimages but not ubuntu | 23:10 |
| fungi | makes sense to me | 23:10 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya | 23:10 |
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| ianw | mordred: i admit i didn't think about it a whole heap either; was just thinking that i'd like to test out new versions of cloud images before releasing them onto nodepool, lest check jobs get broken when nobody is looking because whoever +2'd on d-i-b wasn't also interested in nodepool | 23:10 |
| clarkb | but I am fine specifying it everywhere | 23:10 |
| clarkb | too | 23:11 |
| fungi | ianw: i'm happy to +2/approve in a few minutes if you want to remove that last line | 23:11 |
| * mordred is fine either way | 23:12 | |
| * mordred feels he's caused enough trouble for one day | 23:12 | |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Removed python26 from StoryBoard build. https://review.openstack.org/127070 | 23:13 |
| fungi | no, i can see good reason for removing it from the centos7 diskimages. it looks like they incorporate build numbers there which are almost certainly going to change and/or go away over time | 23:13 |
| ianw | mordred / fungi : i'll change it. i think we can watch what's going on, and if upstream images changing becomes a problem, we can always cache our own qcow images to use and update asynchronously? | 23:13 |
| krotscheck | Is that what y’all had in mind? ^^ | 23:13 |
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| fungi | krotscheck: yep | 23:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Removed py26 environment from tox. https://review.openstack.org/127071 | 23:15 |
| clarkb | though I can't wait for us to do that to openstack real soon now | 23:15 |
| fungi | also, a week from tomorrow, i vote we drop gate-{name}-python26 from the python-jobs project template and specify it explicitly on projects using it | 23:15 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya | 23:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add centos7 to nodepool diskimage config https://review.openstack.org/127065 | 23:15 |
| krotscheck | On the agenda it goes! | 23:16 |
| ianw | devstack will be nicer for being able to drop rhel6 too | 23:16 |
| * krotscheck thinks he started something. | 23:16 | |
| krotscheck | This feels sortof like that scene in “The Emperor’s new groove”… Why do we even have that lever? | 23:17 |
| pleia2 | krotscheck: yay no more python26 :) | 23:17 |
| fungi | ianw: speaking of agenda, can you clean up any of your several topics at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting which you feel were sufficiently addressed on tuesday? | 23:17 |
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| ianw | fungi: yep | 23:17 |
| fungi | thanks! | 23:18 |
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| krotscheck | Wow, that’s the fastest +6 I’ve ever gotten on a review. | 23:22 |
| krotscheck | Anyone else want to pile on? :D | 23:22 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 23:22 |
| clarkb | py26 should die already | 23:22 |
| pleia2 | poor python26 | 23:22 |
| fungi | +26!!! | 23:22 |
| clarkb | we are in the future | 23:22 |
| fungi | the future is now | 23:22 |
| clarkb | I know this because I can have groceries delivery to my home | 23:22 |
| clarkb | and hack at a tex mex restaurant | 23:22 |
| pleia2 | ++ | 23:22 |
| * fungi lives 20 minutes into the future | 23:23 | |
| * krotscheck is amused that the solution to his breaking tests was basically “Stop testing” | 23:24 | |
| fungi | i knew i was finally in the future some years ago, when i found myself managing the openbsd load balancer cluster in front of the carolina hurricanes' web server farm from a barstool while watching them play in stanley cup final on a television behind the bar | 23:24 |
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| anteaya | ha ha ha | 23:25 |
| clarkb | fungi: you are a whole 3 hours in the future relative to here | 23:25 |
| fungi | unfortunately the future has been sort of downhill from there | 23:25 |
| JayF | fungi: WHAT | 23:25 |
| JayF | fungi: you're a hurricanes fan/employee?!? | 23:25 |
| JayF | fungi: I'm a huge fan of the Hurricanes, and from Raleigh :D | 23:26 |
| fungi | JayF: i live in nc and worked for the service provider who hosted their website | 23:26 |
| pleia2 | and here I thought it was a website about weather | 23:26 |
| fungi | JayF: small world. i lived in and around raleigh for ~15 years and just moved east to the islands | 23:26 |
| JayF | fungi: nice, if you ever want someone to commisserate about, oh, players with broken legs and concussions, feel free to ask :P | 23:26 |
| fungi | heh | 23:26 |
| JayF | fungi: I grew up in Eastern NC, and went one year to NCSU. Lived there until I was ~24 | 23:27 |
| * fungi went to high school with the math and science nerds in durham | 23:27 | |
| mtreinish | pleia2: it still could be, if you ignore the stanley cup final part... | 23:27 |
| pleia2 | mtreinish: haha | 23:28 |
| pleia2 | hurricanes are the best, the wind, the rain, the destruction! | 23:28 |
| pleia2 | big fan | 23:28 |
| mtreinish | although I'm not sure why a weather event would need a service provider. Or how they would get one | 23:28 |
| pleia2 | they seem to get a lot of them | 23:28 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/storyboard: Removed py26 environment from tox. https://review.openstack.org/127071 | 23:28 |
| fungi | JayF: do you attend the ~monthly rtp openstack user group get-togethers volker's been organizing for the past year or so? if not, you should start (it's a bit of a trek for me now unfortunately) | 23:29 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: OpenStackID deploy scripts use curl https://review.openstack.org/127044 | 23:29 |
| JayF | pleia2: there's an Editorial Cartoon (flash video, haha) from a few years back that mocks them for naming their team after devastating storms | 23:29 |
| pleia2 | JayF: nice :) | 23:29 |
| JayF | fungi: I didn't start openstacking until about a year ago, in Ironic, and before that all my time at Rackspace was outside of NC (aka I moved for the job there) | 23:29 |
| JayF | fungi: I suspect, in a very small way, that we may have met at TriLUG or NCSULUG at some point | 23:30 |
| ianw | i am even further in the future, unless you count things like broadband rollouts, online shopping, video streaming, various social policies, etc | 23:30 |
| clarkb | ianw: I am sorry :) | 23:30 |
| fungi | JayF: alaski goes to those meetups and works for your employer too, so you should chat | 23:30 |
| JayF | fungi: Yeah I know :) I worked with him for a while, he was in VA when I was | 23:31 |
| JayF | fungi: He lives near the Atlantic, in NC, and I live over here in SF nowadays :) | 23:31 |
| fungi | JayF: oh! i thought you were still living in raleigh | 23:31 |
| fungi | ignore me then | 23:32 |
| JayF | fungi: no, raleigh/eastern NC is my hometown, and I lived there up until ~6.5 years ago | 23:32 |
| fungi | but yeah, hockey got big here for some reason after we bought a team | 23:32 |
| fungi | JayF: my previous long-term gf was from connecticut and used to wear whalers jerseys to the canes games | 23:32 |
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| fungi | the ironic thing is that there were other fans wearing them too | 23:33 |
| clarkb | jogo: thank you for that email /me goes back to reading | 23:33 |
| fungi | apparently nc has its share of transplants, or else the old whalers fans in ct were willing to drive a really, really long way to continue watching them | 23:34 |
| JayF | fungi: Yeah, I still follow the Canes pretty closely, I watch Sharks now too :). I'm just that weird, engdangered native NC hockey fan that Canadians don't beleve exist :) | 23:34 |
| JayF | fungi: or wearing retro gear is cool :) | 23:34 |
| fungi | heh | 23:34 |
| jogo | clarkb: I was having fun with the gerrit REST API | 23:34 |
| jogo | clarkb: its really nice | 23:34 |
| fungi | jogo: yeah, i whipped this up last week... https://review.openstack.org/80437 | 23:35 |
| fungi | amazingly simple using the rest api | 23:35 |
| jogo | fungi: nice | 23:36 |
| clarkb | fungi: that change number is suspiciously low for last week | 23:36 |
| jogo | its pretty amazing what you can do with 100 lines of python and some fun APIS | 23:36 |
| fungi | clarkb: it's an update to a previous version which used jeepyb.gerritdb to do similar things | 23:37 |
| fungi | clarkb: except with half the linecount | 23:37 |
| clarkb | jogo: I almost read that as "things are not terrible" | 23:37 |
| clarkb | fungi: nice | 23:37 |
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| fungi | "gerrit is now only somewhat terrible" | 23:38 |
| jogo | clarkb: well its REST API is not terrible for sure | 23:38 |
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| fungi | the big win is that stuff like that can now be run by anyone with a gerrit account, rather than relegated to people with command-line database access | 23:38 |
| clarkb | mordred: you should update 119466 then we can kill old mirror with fire | 23:39 |
| fungi | clarkb: yeah, i meant to clean that up after AJaeger and i spotted places it was going to break, but then got sidetracked by some other random shiny thing | 23:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Removed python26 from StoryBoard build. https://review.openstack.org/127070 | 23:49 |
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| krotscheck | FINALLY | 23:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Adam Gandelman proposed a change to openstack-infra/release-tools: Adds stable-freeze.py https://review.openstack.org/125839 | 23:50 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Ensure redis is on slaves (and running) https://review.openstack.org/121221 | 23:51 |
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| clarkb | SergeyLukjanov: are you racing me on reviews and I am losing? your +2's are showing up out of nowhere ;) | 23:54 |
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| fungi | this is unfortunate. retrying to launch openstackid.org, now it hangs just after installing unbound :/ | 23:57 |
| fungi | no output since some 10 minutes | 23:57 |
| clarkb | uh oh | 23:58 |
| fungi | going to break out of it and try again, just to see if it's repeatable | 23:58 |
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