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| dimsum_ | SpamapS: cut a wiki page just like the one we had for icehouse and juno - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenPGP_Web_of_Trust/Kilo_Summit | 00:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Angus Lees proposed a change to openstack/requirements: Upgrade pylint to >=1.3.0 https://review.openstack.org/131013 | 01:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Kelsey proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Adding basic Python tests to stackforge/bandit https://review.openstack.org/130734 | 09:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jamie Lennox proposed a change to openstack/requirements: Update to newer requests-mock https://review.openstack.org/131064 | 09:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Jamie Lennox proposed a change to openstack/requirements: Add keystoneclient-kerberos repository to projects https://review.openstack.org/131065 | 09:42 |
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| jd__ | 2014-10-27 09:28:36.170 | + /usr/bin/pg_ctl -w -D /tmp/tooz-psql-piS0V -o '-k /tmp/tooz-psql-piS0V -p 9825' start | 10:26 |
| jd__ | 2014-10-27 09:29:36.275 | waiting for server to start...............................................................could not start server | 10:26 |
| jd__ | http://logs.openstack.org/67/126967/9/check/gate-tooz-python26/d7be18a/console.html#_2014-10-27_09_28_36_170 | 10:26 |
| jd__ | I wonder why it does not work on CentOS, works fine everywhere else | 10:27 |
| jd__ | if anyone has an idea… | 10:27 |
| jd__ | fungi: eglynn-officeafk ^ | 10:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Aaron Rosen proposed a change to openstack-infra/nodepool: libffi-dev is required to install nodepool https://review.openstack.org/125515 | 10:30 |
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| sdague | can we get a stable maint +A on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124648/ ? | 11:21 |
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| ihrachyshka | sdague: hey. why is the patch different from the one in master (and the one that is not merged there yet)? | 11:39 |
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| sdague | ihrachyshka: it is not, and it is already merged - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124708/ | 11:42 |
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| ihrachyshka | sdague: ok. then it probably means that Change-Id is wrong | 11:44 |
| sdague | the cherry pick reference is correct, I'm not sure what you believe is wrong here | 11:45 |
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| ihrachyshka | Change-Id should be the same as in master counterpart. Requirement is covered here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch#Change-Ids | 11:46 |
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| sdague | ok, that seems pretty niggly, especially as it actually references the master change in the cherry pick | 11:48 |
| ihrachyshka | I agree there's a lot of bureaucracy around stable branches..., though consistent Change-Ids help a lot to track inclusion of patches in all relevant branches. | 11:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Adding puppet-kibana as split out module https://review.openstack.org/130619 | 12:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/requirements: Update stevedore base version to 1.1.0 https://review.openstack.org/130857 | 12:14 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack-dev/hacking: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/131106 | 12:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: JSHint job updates https://review.openstack.org/130735 | 12:21 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Add missing dependency to Horizon integration tests https://review.openstack.org/130724 | 12:22 |
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| fungi | ianw: https://review.openstack.org/130639 fixes the script we use to manually provision long-lived servers, not nodepool workers | 13:09 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: hey, on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130245/ that seems like a very large policy shift, is there a discussion somewhere on it? | 13:11 |
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| fungi | jd__: not sure--looks like postgres is not starting, pg_ctl waits 60 seconds for it there and then gives up | 13:14 |
| fungi | sdague: dhellmann: it seemed to me that the expectation was discussion would happen on the review | 13:15 |
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| sdague | fungi: oh, ok. | 13:15 |
| dhellmann | sdague, fungi : yes, I created the review as a place to start the discussion | 13:15 |
| fungi | but i agree, an ml thread longer than just the docker one would be helpful to increase exposure | 13:15 |
| fungi | er, s/longer/other/ | 13:16 |
| sdague | dhellmann: ok, my bad, I'll provide a longer review comment then explaining my pov | 13:16 |
| dhellmann | sdague: I was waiting for you to come back before really digging in on it. | 13:16 |
| sdague | dhellmann: yep, no worries | 13:16 |
| sdague | just caught up to the docker thread and saw the review | 13:16 |
| dhellmann | sdague: ok, we need to solve the problem we're creating with allowing non-integrated projects to run in devstack | 13:16 |
| sdague | dhellmann: sure, is the issue today just that the requirements sync is stripping out the extra requirements? | 13:17 |
| sdague | and that we probably need to stop doing that for non projects.txt projects | 13:17 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: yeah, it's complicated. Basically that docker project wants to sync common requirements and add extra ones. clarkb, fungi, dimsum_ and I discussed it and I came to the conclusion that rather than making the tools do that, it made more sense to allow all projects to add to the "unified test requirements" list | 13:19 |
| dhellmann | that way we wouldn't end up with 2 projects claiming to work with a single-box installation, but having conflicting requirements | 13:19 |
| fungi | sdague: it was mentioned in this thread http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/048987.html | 13:19 |
| fungi | my follow-up to that message outlines the counter-proposal | 13:20 |
| fungi | oh, you caught up | 13:20 |
| sdague | so the issue I have with that is there is no review of adding a requirement to an integrated openstack project any more, which I think is an important moment of reflection | 13:20 |
| sdague | because once something is in g-r any project can add it without oversite | 13:20 |
| fungi | well, we add requirements for tests, libraries, clients and all sorts of other things which aren't necessarily going to be used by integrated projects | 13:21 |
| dhellmann | sdague: with this move to stop making everything integrated, we're going to have to make some changes to how we manage the requirements. This is just part of what I think will have to change. | 13:21 |
| fungi | but once they're in the list, integrated projects can suddenly start to use them without further enforcement/review outside the individual projects themselves | 13:21 |
| sdague | dhellmann: sure, I guess I haven't caught up on the latest on that thread | 13:21 |
| fungi | er, what sdague said | 13:22 |
| dhellmann | sdague: yeah, I don't expect this policy change to merge before the summit | 13:22 |
| sdague | dhellmann: is there a summit session related for discussion? | 13:22 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: it's an unintended consequence -- not specifically on this, it just came up late last week | 13:22 |
| dhellmann | sdague: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-crossproject-summit-topics | 13:22 |
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| dhellmann | maybe it's not too late to add to that list. ttx? ^^ | 13:23 |
| sdague | because I agree this is part of a larger system view of how everything fits together, and I think we can't decide on this in a vacuum, as you've said, there is other fallout based on this | 13:23 |
| dhellmann | sdague: we might also squeeze it into session #25 "implications of moving functional tests to projects" | 13:23 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: possibly | 13:23 |
| sdague | I do see there being a devstack gap here on being able to use it for arbitrary things regardless | 13:24 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: A bit late because everyone should have voted last week. But Russell and markmcclain will select topics today and toimorrow so it's not closed yet | 13:24 |
| sdague | I think it would be valuable to change the req sync process to not drop added requirements for things not in projects.txt regardless | 13:24 |
| dhellmann | ttx, sdague : I'll add a session, with a note that we might squeeze it into #25 just so that's not lost | 13:24 |
| sdague | basically soft-update mode | 13:25 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: I think that's what dimsum_'s original patch did | 13:26 |
| russellb | yep, i'm just getting going today, need to do my own voting and then will work on schedule with markmcclain | 13:27 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: ok... I'll have to track down that patch, that seems like a good thing to have regardless. Then we can handle the policy nob separate from the implementation nob. | 13:28 |
| fungi | dhellmann: dimsum_'s proposed change was a bit more complicated than that modifying the update.py in openstack/requirements, but the simplified counterproposal clarkb made is basically to do that in devstack | 13:28 |
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| dimsum_ | sdague: i had several different approaches, one was to add a flag in project yml and flow it down to devstack-gate and devstack | 13:29 |
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| fungi | dimsum_: sdague: dhellmann: my summary of clarkb's suggestion is outlined in http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/048998.html | 13:30 |
| fungi | likely 1-2 line addition in setup_package_with_req_sync() | 13:30 |
| fungi | setup_package_with_req_sync() | 13:30 |
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| fungi | gah, pastebounce | 13:30 |
| dimsum_ | sdague: another was to add a check to look in projects.txt before exiting the requirements check | 13:30 |
| dimsum_ | yep, there's the one from clarkb as well | 13:31 |
| dhellmann | fungi, sdague : I added #33 to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-crossproject-summit-topics | 13:31 |
| fungi | i think that one makes more sense as a devstack run will still rewrite requirements on all projects being installed if they're in projects.txt, but will leave them alone for projects which are not (and it's up to those projects to make sane reqs choices so that they won't break their own devstack-based jobs) | 13:32 |
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| sdague | fungi: well I actually like soft update, so that we know that a non projects.txt project doesn't mess us up and install incompatible stevedore... for instance | 13:33 |
| sdague | so update everything from g-r, but don't drop | 13:33 |
| sdague | which, honestly, I think is what the solum folks wanted | 13:33 |
| fungi | sdague: but if you don't drop the extra requirements, the net effect is similar (they can still bring in conflicting transitive deps | 13:34 |
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| sdague | fungi: they can ... but I think the risk is small | 13:34 |
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| sdague | and managable | 13:34 |
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| sdague | we could always run a later stage query in devstack to confirm that pip-freeze fits inside of g-r | 13:35 |
| fungi | also when those projects want to integration-test with one another, they're going to need to coordinate around extra requirements anyway | 13:35 |
| sdague | to identify what's gone wrong | 13:35 |
| sdague | fungi: sure, but honestly if you are talking about < 6 git trees, it's managable manually | 13:35 |
| dhellmann | fungi: that was the argument that convinced me we should just let everyone add to the list | 13:36 |
| sdague | we only got into trouble where we needed g-r once we got above 20 git trees | 13:36 |
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| sdague | looking at where this has broken down over the years, I really do think this is one where closing all the possible holes in the system actually leads to a worse system. Because the probability of some of these events is pretty low, and their resolution quick. | 13:38 |
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| fungi | in that case, perhaps a switch in requirements update.py to ignore extra reqs and then adjust devstack to throw that switch (the check against projects.txt could happen in either place i suppose), and then an envvar which allows devstack to use that switch so that we can set it in jobs for unofficial projects without accidentally aiming that gun at our own feet | 13:43 |
| dimsum_ | yep | 13:44 |
| fungi | this of course solves one of two related problems... third-party projects can leverage extra requirements this way, but they won't be able to require different *versions* of existing requirements | 13:44 |
| fungi | so it's possible we'll be revisiting the same discussion all over again | 13:44 |
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| sdague | fungi: ype | 13:46 |
| sdague | right, well if we provide the infrastructure to do either thing, then we can make a per job decision on the right behavior to enforce | 13:47 |
| sdague | basically seperate policy from implementation, because I'd rather not have us change policy just because of an implementation deficiency that we can fix | 13:47 |
| dimsum_ | sdague: this was my attempt at the flag in project yml - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130018/ | 13:47 |
| fungi | sounds like if we want to consider allowing both of those options, then projects.txt should probably be checked by devstack | 13:48 |
| sdague | plus... it's a good "welcome back" thing to hack on | 13:48 |
| dimsum_ | welcome back! :) | 13:48 |
| fungi | otherwise we're back at "add an option to update.py which makes it a no-op" | 13:48 |
| fungi | which there were definite objections around | 13:48 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-dev/hacking: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/131106 | 13:48 |
| sdague | fungi: well, I think we want a flag for soft update mode | 13:48 |
| sdague | but have devstack determine when it's used | 13:48 |
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| spzala | Hello, I have a question, my stackforge project is currently added to the main program Heat - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127349/ | 13:49 |
| spzala | As a next step, I learned that the stackforge repo needs to be moved to the OpenStack and for that I believe I need to create a work item for infra team – is that correct? Do we need to take any other step? | 13:49 |
| fungi | right, which means devstack would look in projects.txt perhaps, ot take a list of projects to which it applies optionally, or whatever | 13:49 |
| fungi | but not directly encide the projects.txt inspection in update.py in the reqs repo | 13:49 |
| fungi | er, encode | 13:49 |
| sdague | fungi: right, correct | 13:50 |
| dimsum_ | sdague: this was my attempt at that logic looking at projects.txt - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130210/ | 13:50 |
| sdague | we just need enough support in update.py to run in different kinds of modes, and devstack makes all the decisions | 13:50 |
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| sdague | dimsum_: cool, I'll look in a few and see how I can help move it forward | 13:50 |
| dimsum_ | thanks sdague | 13:50 |
| fungi | spzala: the project renaming process happens in a scheduled maintenance window, where our admins will be following these instructions: http://ci.openstack.org/gerrit.html#renaming-a-project | 13:51 |
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| fungi | spzala: i'm making sure i get the heat-translator move into our infrastructure team meeting agenda for tomorrow | 13:52 |
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| spzala | fungi: that's great. Thank you so much!!! and thank for the instructions link too. | 13:53 |
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| fungi | spzala: so we're going to need a change proposed to openstack-infra/project-config which changes the organization part of that project name | 13:54 |
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| fungi | spzala: on an unrelated note, heat-translator unit tests are breaking for me under python 3.4... are you aware and hopefully already working on that? if not i'll get some additional detail together and file a bug | 13:55 |
| spzala | fungi: sure, is that proposal is like we need to create a blueprint at https://launchpad.net/openstack-ci ? | 13:55 |
| fungi | spzala: no blueprint, just a simple code review | 13:56 |
| fungi | spzala: for example https://review.openstack.org/125546 was a recent project rename | 13:57 |
| spzala | fungi: yes I did notice the unit tests failure which was randomly striking and we actually fixed it last week. After that we had few patches uploaded and we didn't heat any failure. so I hope you didn't notice something in last couple days. | 13:58 |
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| fungi | spzala: oh, excellent... i'll check again and cross it off my list hopefully | 13:59 |
| spzala | fungi: sure. Thanks! | 13:59 |
| fungi | spzala: 'git grep heat-translator' and 'git ls-files | grep heat-translator' will hopefully show you the areas you'll need to adjust in openstack-infra/project-config | 14:00 |
| spzala | fungi: nice, that's very helpful reference patch. OK, that's great. So I will go find the files and submit a change proposal. | 14:01 |
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| fungi | spzala: thanks! if you can add it to the right of the entry i stuck in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Upcoming_Project_Renames once it's in gerrit, that will help us track it | 14:02 |
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| spzala | fungi: that sounds great..thanks for already creating the entry :) | 14:05 |
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| fungi | spzala: i meant to stick it there as a reminder after the tc meeting finished, but then i got sidetracked | 14:05 |
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| spzala | fungi: :) ah, I see | 14:06 |
| fungi | never a dull moment in here | 14:07 |
| spzala | fungi: :) yup | 14:07 |
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| andreaf | fungi: hi | 14:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jeblair, thanks for the tips, I'll try it later | 14:10 |
| andreaf | fungi: ping - about http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/049203.html if you have a moment | 14:11 |
| andreaf | fungi: upz actually I'm looking for corvus - sorry I mixed up the nicks | 14:12 |
| fungi | andreaf: yay--volunteers! | 14:12 |
| andreaf | fungi: :) | 14:12 |
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| fungi | no worries, but probably best to hold discussion on implementation until there are more infra cores that just me and SergeyLukjanov listening | 14:12 |
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| andreaf | fungi: ok I'll be back later :) | 14:13 |
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| mtreinish | anteaya: any ideas who "Evgeny Antyshev" is? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121910/ | 14:18 |
| mtreinish | it looks like they're leaving no-op ci comments on random reviews | 14:18 |
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| fungi | e-mail address is at parallels | 14:21 |
| fungi | do we know anyone with a ci at parallels? | 14:21 |
| fungi | i don't see a service account for parallels in the list at https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/270,members | 14:22 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: I think they're using a regular user account | 14:24 |
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| fungi | mtreinish: they are, i was just trying to figure out whether they were doing so because we had disabled their service account or something | 14:25 |
| fungi | anyway, i'll disable that one | 14:25 |
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| mordred | sdague: welcome back! | 14:27 |
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| fungi | speaking of which, does anyone know a ci operator testing trove at ebay in slc? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-October/002031.html | 14:27 |
| fungi | SlickNik: ^ ? | 14:28 |
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| fungi | could be slc or phx, the received headers disagree with the console url | 14:28 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: ah ok, makes sense, thanks | 14:32 |
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| sdague | mordred: thanks | 14:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed a change to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for stevedore/markup docs bug 1384919 https://review.openstack.org/131164 | 14:44 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1384919 in python-stevedore "installing pbr during doc build breaks markupsafe module under some conditions" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1384919 | 14:44 |
| anteaya | mtreinish: not yet | 14:45 |
| anteaya | fungi: thanks | 14:45 |
| anteaya | sdague: hello there | 14:46 |
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| fungi | i cc'd the infra ml instead of tpa on the evgeny antyshev account issue, since it's not a service account but rather a normal contributor account | 14:55 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/storyboard: Add User Preferences endpoint. https://review.openstack.org/128487 | 14:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/storyboard: Plugins may now register their own user preferences https://review.openstack.org/129061 | 14:56 |
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| anteaya | fungi: okay | 14:59 |
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| anteaya | I posted in -neutron and -cinder | 14:59 |
| fungi | didn't really know which was the more appropriate list in this case | 15:00 |
| anteaya | to see if anyone knows anything | 15:00 |
| anteaya | yeah | 15:00 |
| anteaya | they find ways to do things that defy imagination | 15:00 |
| krotscheck | Storyboard meeting in #openstack-meeting | 15:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for stevedore/markup docs bug 1384919 https://review.openstack.org/131164 | 15:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1384919 in python-stevedore "installing pbr during doc build breaks markupsafe module under some conditions" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1384919 | 15:04 |
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| afazekas | clarkb: can you have look on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106043/ | 15:09 |
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| anteaya | fungi: what can be done on the ebay email to -infra? | 15:11 |
| anteaya | in addition to your post? | 15:11 |
| fungi | anteaya: perhaps start a thread on the -dev ml trying to hunt down contacts, or else blacklist that e-mail address | 15:12 |
| sdague | anteaya: hey, what's up? | 15:12 |
| anteaya | sdague: welcome back | 15:12 |
| anteaya | nice to see you again | 15:12 |
| anteaya | fungi: I'm for the blacklist and post that we have done so | 15:13 |
| anteaya | tired of hunting people | 15:13 |
| anteaya | disable and let them find us | 15:13 |
| fungi | anteaya: well, sending an e-mail asking them to cut it out was easier than figuring out how to block them outright, but that can be a next step | 15:14 |
| sdague | anteaya: thanks :) | 15:14 |
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| dkranz | I am trying to add some more periodic stress tests for particular gate issues but need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130599/ to go in. Can some one please give this another +2? | 15:18 |
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| sdague | dimsum_: so in looking at your patches these were mostly doing the logic in requirements? so the approach we talked about this morning is really different, right? | 15:20 |
| sdague | dkranz: +A | 15:20 |
| dkranz | sdague: thanks. A devstack gate patch to match in a minute | 15:21 |
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| dimsum_ | sdague: ya, clarkb's approach is different | 15:25 |
| sdague | dimsum_: there is a clarkb approach as well? | 15:26 |
| dimsum_ | tweak setup_package_with_req_sync() in the openstack-dev/devstack functions-common file | 15:27 |
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| dimsum_ | from - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/048998.html | 15:27 |
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| fungi | well, clarkb was suggesting not patching the requirements lists at all except for projects in projects.txt, so i think we're instead (or additionally) talking about a hybrid of that where it would only skip the extra reqs instead of all reqs | 15:28 |
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| sdague | dimsum_: ok, but there is no patch for that yet, right? | 15:28 |
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| dimsum_ | sdague: right | 15:28 |
| sdague | just want to make sure I don't dupe anyone's work | 15:28 |
| dimsum_ | :) | 15:28 |
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| clarkb | fungi: right | 15:29 |
| anteaya | fungi: fair enough | 15:29 |
| clarkb | my biggest concern was really having a tool (update.py) that doesn't udpate when you tell it to | 15:29 |
| sdague | clarkb: right | 15:29 |
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| sdague | so here's my theory | 15:30 |
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| sdague | add a flag to update.py for soft-update (i.e. don't remove requirements that aren't in g-r) | 15:30 |
| sdague | and have devstack have all the logic for when to run it with which flag | 15:30 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Pass stress arguments from job yaml to allow customization https://review.openstack.org/130599 | 15:30 |
| fungi | and make that tunable through a couple of envvar knobs we can pass in from job definitions through d-g | 15:31 |
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| sdague | fungi: yep | 15:32 |
| fungi | so a project can say "for my job i want reqs sync'd unconditionally (default)," or "i want them sync'd but don't complain about extras," or "don't sync my reqs at all" | 15:32 |
| sdague | so general head nods on that before I start coding it up? | 15:33 |
| fungi | and obviously any behavior except the default would not really be allowed for official projects | 15:33 |
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| clarkb | that sounds good to me as long as its specific conditions | 15:33 |
| fungi | rather, since it's based on job definitions, projects which have to participate in the official integrations where this is enforced would do so i guess | 15:33 |
| fungi | so that keeps the foot-cannon reasonably small | 15:34 |
| dimsum_ | "i want them sync'd but don't complain about extras," sounds good | 15:35 |
| jeblair | ++ | 15:36 |
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| clarkb | afazekas: still around? | 15:42 |
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| clarkb | afazekas: I will review that change today particularly in the ocntext of the grenade stuff (which should be all done now). Curious if we can talk about the fixed ip stuff though | 15:44 |
| clarkb | afazekas: can we move forward on the aiopcpu test without those nodepool features? | 15:44 |
| anteaya | sdague: with some clear docs for us to point folks to? | 15:44 |
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| mordred | mmm. ocntext | 15:46 |
| sdague | anteaya: for which stuff? | 15:48 |
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| clarkb | after a quick glance at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106043/22 I think we may be able to get that in nowish | 15:51 |
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| clarkb | sdague: jeblair mordred fungi ^ might be a good thing to get done presummit so that we can say "We have multinode testing" | 15:51 |
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| fungi | clarkb: seems reasonable | 15:52 |
| sdague | clarkb: ok, cool, I'll look post some hacking | 15:52 |
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| fungi | and for similar reasons, https://review.openstack.org/127025 | 15:52 |
| jogo | clarkb: ++, that would be awesome | 15:52 |
| clarkb | fungi: +2 | 15:53 |
| clarkb | I am going to give 106043 a proper review once I have finished morning things | 15:53 |
| clarkb | caffeine prior to big code review is a requirement | 15:53 |
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| zaro | morning | 15:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | JC Delay proposed a change to openstack-infra/git-review: get_remote_url(): honor any "url.<base>.insteadOf" config setting https://review.openstack.org/109851 | 15:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed a change to openstack/requirements: implement -s / --soft-update flag https://review.openstack.org/131184 | 15:58 |
| sdague | ok that's the req side | 15:58 |
| openstackgerrit | David Kranz proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Obtain stress arguments from the enviroment https://review.openstack.org/131186 | 15:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/system-config: Revert "Temporarily disable access to openstackid.org" https://review.openstack.org/127025 | 16:03 |
| dimsum_ | Hmm, XenServer CI is failing "No distributions matching the version for stevedore>=1.1.0 (from python-keystoneclient==0.11.2.10.g20f488d)" BUT is -1'ing :( | 16:04 |
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| fungi | BobBall: ^ ? | 16:06 |
| dimsum_ | BobBall: example from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130870/ | 16:07 |
| jeblair | clarkb: reviewed, but i'm still not sure we're all on the same page about ip addresses on 106043 | 16:07 |
| dimsum_ | thanks fungi | 16:07 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: ya I think that is the biggest oustanding thing | 16:07 |
| anteaya | sdague: for the code you are writing that creates different categories for reqirements | 16:07 |
| clarkb | ttx: mordred we should add stable/icehouse and stable/juno to openstack/openstack | 16:08 |
| clarkb | and maybe kill the havana branch | 16:08 |
| sdague | anteaya: sure, once we get a thing working well | 16:08 |
| fungi | clarkb: i started looking into it and wasn't immediately able to figure out how to make that happen since there's no commit in the repo from which to branch | 16:08 |
| anteaya | sdague: okay thank you | 16:08 |
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| ttx | clarkb: ...probable. No idea how to do that though | 16:09 |
| ttx | probably* | 16:09 |
| clarkb | fungi: we may have to set a 0000000 head commit | 16:09 |
| clarkb | mordred: ^ | 16:09 |
| anteaya | fungi: how long do you want to give BobBall to reply? | 16:09 |
| fungi | clarkb: since .gitmodules just lists branch=. for all of them | 16:10 |
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| anteaya | plenty of -1's https://review.openstack.org/#/q/reviewer:%22Citrix+XenServer+CI%22+status:open,p,0030ba410001ff3d | 16:11 |
| fungi | anteaya: i've already deactivated it | 16:11 |
| anteaya | fungi: ah thanks | 16:11 |
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| fungi | i'll follow up to the tpa list momentarily | 16:11 |
| anteaya | okay | 16:11 |
| john-davidge | fungi: Thanks, was just about to ask about the same! | 16:11 |
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| anteaya | john-davidge: thank you | 16:11 |
| anteaya | john-davidge: are you going to be attending summit? | 16:11 |
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| john-davidge | anteaya: Yes indeed, I'll be there all week. You? | 16:12 |
| anteaya | john-davidge: sure would like to have your perspective represented in the third party ci discussion on tuesday | 16:12 |
| anteaya | john-davidge: yes | 16:12 |
| john-davidge | anteaya: Will add it to my sched! :) | 16:12 |
| anteaya | john-davidge: thank you | 16:12 |
| anteaya | john-davidge: find me on the Monday and introduce yourself please | 16:13 |
| anteaya | I shouldn't be hard to find | 16:13 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: the only thing I can come up with so far is that in hpcloud the current code will avoid the nat? | 16:16 |
| clarkb | jeblair: which may be beneficial but if we can't work through the nat that should probably be considered a problem | 16:16 |
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| dhellmann | fungi, anteaya : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127003/ is ready to merge now that the stevedore and cliff docs jobs work properly | 16:17 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: I think I am ok with that in the initial revision though | 16:19 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: it also has the added benefit of not being entirely tied to nodepool (but we are dependent on nodepool elsewhere for multindoe so that isn't really a benefit) | 16:20 |
| fungi | oh, nice... the xenserver ci issue is that they're using http://pypi.openstack.org/ | 16:20 |
| clarkb | fungi: :) | 16:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: remove rtfd docs jobs for cliff and stevedore https://review.openstack.org/127003 | 16:26 |
| sdague | fungi / clarkb : Sean Dague proposed a change to openstack-dev/devstack: allow for soft updating of global-requirements https://review.openstack.org/131198 | 16:28 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: it's _so_ much code to get an ip address, and we have an ip address in a file. | 16:29 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ya | 16:29 |
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| clarkb | sdague: +X'd | 16:32 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: what's a +X? | 16:37 |
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| clarkb | I +1'd one change and +2'd the other | 16:37 |
| clarkb | (I am not devstack core) | 16:37 |
| anteaya | fungi: thanks for also giving the info about pypi.o.o | 16:38 |
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| jeblair | sdague: why do we need REQUIREMENTS_MODE=strict? isn't the logic in 'soft' sufficient in all cases? | 16:41 |
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| fungi | anteaya: krtaylor: probably not a bad idea for someone to mention that and also point out https://review.openstack.org/119466 during today's third-party meeting | 16:41 |
| jeblair | clarkb: maybe you know ^ ? | 16:42 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I think some projects want strict checking | 16:43 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: the number of not openstack projects that have complained about htis is very small compared to the number of projects being enforced aiui | 16:43 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: some not-openstack projects want strict checking? has that ever worked out? :) | 16:44 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I think it must be working. solum and nova-docker are the only projects that seem to not like the current situation | 16:45 |
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| mordred | what don't they like? | 16:45 |
| clarkb | mordred: they want to have additional requirements outside of the "global" requirements list | 16:45 |
| clarkb | mordred: but also want everything else to be synced for them | 16:45 |
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| clarkb | so the risk here is that they will fubar their reqs due to transitive deps | 16:46 |
| clarkb | sdague indicates he can live with that | 16:46 |
| mordred | ah. they want to be in sync with what we have, but have other things too. makes sense | 16:46 |
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| mordred | why do we not want to just add their stuff to the list? the point is coordination of a single list, no? having an extra lib on it .. why stress about that? | 16:47 |
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| krtaylor | fungi, will do, adding to agenda | 16:47 |
| clarkb | mordred: that is what I would prefer | 16:47 |
| clarkb | mordred: its a "global" list. as long as req foo meets the criteria of being a dependency I don't mind adding it to the list | 16:48 |
| jeblair | mordred: because then there is no list of what _openstack_ needs, which for many people is quite a different thing than what $randomproject needs | 16:48 |
| sdague | jeblair: ++ | 16:48 |
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| mordred | I understand, but I'm saying that I do not value that as a specific goal | 16:49 |
| mordred | I care that OpenStack coordinate | 16:49 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i suppose 'blazar, magnetodb, mistral, murano, rally' is the set of projects for whom the status quo works. that is larger than the set for whom it does not work, so i guess i can buy that 'strict' for non-openstack is useful. | 16:49 |
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| sdague | also, I'm not sure we want the requirements team getting in fights with random stackforge project all the time over "I don't think that lib is mature enough" | 16:49 |
| sdague | like what happened with solum previously | 16:49 |
| jeblair | mordred: i feel like those two sentences contradict each other :) | 16:49 |
| sdague | and is going to happen a ton | 16:49 |
| sdague | because some new thing on stackforge should have a lot of freedom to do what they want, but when we talk about "distro though shalt ship and support this library" that seems like a different bar | 16:50 |
| mordred | jeblair: I don't. I care that OpenStack have a list. if that list is a subset of a list we manage, awesome. if the strict subset is not explicitly defined, OK. | 16:50 |
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| mordred | I don't expect distros to ship everything in reqs | 16:51 |
| clarkb | sdague: and for me that freedom is to not bother with the supposedly global list at all | 16:51 |
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| mordred | I expect them to ship OpenStack ... and reqs is a mechanism to ensure that they can | 16:51 |
| jeblair | mordred: i don't understand your proposal at all :( | 16:51 |
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| jeblair | mordred: that seems reasonable. now why does that necessitate that things that are not openstack should add their requirements to it? | 16:52 |
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| clarkb | but this discussion is orthogonal to my original -1 on dims' change. I think what sdague has done addresses the -1 well so I have positive votes | 16:52 |
| mordred | because they want to enforce that they share the OpenStack subset | 16:52 |
| sdague | clarkb: which is an option, but projects have said they want the convenience of to partially enforce g-r for the things that match | 16:52 |
| jeblair | clarkb: now that i understand the reasoning for strict, i am also ++ | 16:52 |
| jeblair | mordred: but to follow your proposal is to change the openstack subset | 16:53 |
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| fungi | i think the only way it can work if it is to be opened up to requirements of unofficial projects is to hold additions to the same level of scrutiny no matter who's requesting them | 16:56 |
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| clarkb | fungi: yup agreed. | 16:56 |
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| fungi | so "random stackforge projects wants new requirement x, it's not mature but that's fine because it's not being requested by an official project" won't work at all | 16:56 |
| sdague | right, and we've gotten in enough fights before around that, that I'd rather pass on it. Especially as stackforge grows. | 16:57 |
| clarkb | are we ready to do https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129433/4 ? | 16:57 |
| clarkb | I realize now I did not tag my email as [all] but untagged is all by default right ;) | 16:57 |
| fungi | clarkb: there is no official [all] tag for that list anyway afaik | 16:57 |
| clarkb | even better | 16:57 |
| fungi | at least i didn't see it in the list of configured filter tags when last i checked | 16:57 |
| fungi | and really, how would you filter on "all" as a meaningful tag anyway? | 16:58 |
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| clarkb | right :) | 16:58 |
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| fungi | clarkb: yes, i'm fine approving 129433 if dhellmann and SergeyLukjanov are good with it now | 16:59 |
| fungi | er, actually there are no oslo libs in the list any longer | 16:59 |
| clarkb | fungi: correct. oslo is dealt with in another change | 16:59 |
| mordred | stupid internet. | 16:59 |
| fungi | and SergeyLukjanov's comment from the previous change looks to be addressed so i'll assume that's a tacit +2 from him | 16:59 |
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| clarkb | once we got the job template change in ajaeger reorged his change list into a bunch of independent changes | 17:00 |
| clarkb | this way we don't have to have everything ready all at once | 17:00 |
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| fungi | clarkb: so approve at will i guess | 17:00 |
| mordred | my point was that I don't think the strict subset is valuable in and of itself | 17:00 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: mordred any opposition to removing python26 testing form openstack server project master branches? | 17:00 |
| mordred | but if we don't want to manage the quality of the broader one, fine | 17:01 |
| clarkb | I sent mail last week late thursday. haven't heard any screaming | 17:01 |
| fungi | mordred: arguably, the strict subset can be calculated as the superset of the projects you're planning to distribute/install/support/whatever | 17:01 |
| mordred | clarkb: nope | 17:01 |
| fungi | er, common superset | 17:01 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: no opposition hree | 17:02 |
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| mordred | fungi: right. and the only reason I see at this point for g-r to exist AT ALL is two prevent two things from depending on incompatible conflicting versions | 17:02 |
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| clarkb | dhellmann: when you are back around I am curious to hear what oslo is settling on. At one point it seemed like you wanted python26 on all the oslo branches? | 17:03 |
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| clarkb | mordred: I think it is also good for vetting deps | 17:03 |
| fungi | mordred: so the other reason i do see it having benefit is to provide some scrutiny over what projects are allowed to depend on, beyond just version compatibility | 17:03 |
| clarkb | mordred: so that we don't end up with 10 time libs and that they are licensed properly | 17:03 |
| fungi | we, what clarkb said | 17:03 |
| clarkb | python3 compat and so on | 17:04 |
| clarkb | I just approved the python26 restriction change for openstack server projects | 17:05 |
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| fungi | which then is where the arguments arise, because suitability of a req for an official project is not necessarily relevant to a stackforge project. so then they get to decide whether they're "in" or "out" from a reqs enforcement perspective, which is why the proposed tooling changes are useful regardless | 17:05 |
| sdague | jeblair: so on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125944/ - which was the minimal zuul status indicator in gerrit, I wanted to swing around with you on UX before I address any of josh's technical comments. Because if you think we should wait for the full zuul ui, then it probably doesn't make sense to update the current patch right away | 17:08 |
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| sdague | my thinking on it was that as a reviewer, I didn't need all the zuul UI, I just needed to know the patch was being tested right now | 17:09 |
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| jeblair | sdague: ok. so you understand my perspective, jhesketh has been working on getting this into place for a long time, and i think he has priority in this space -- i'm not going to do anything to undercut his work | 17:09 |
| sdague | sure | 17:10 |
| sdague | ok, I'll sync with jhesketh in the morning | 17:10 |
| jeblair | sdague: do you think the small ui is better than the full one? | 17:10 |
| sdague | and figure out what he wants to do | 17:10 |
| jeblair | as in, would you prefer _not_ to see the current status of jobs? | 17:10 |
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| sdague | jeblair: personally, yes. because we're already using a lot of screen real estate, and the detailed view is not something that I think I'd use in my review criteria | 17:11 |
| clarkb | the end of an era? ^ I guess we shouldn't celebrate too much now. But when juno dies we should have a giant party | 17:12 |
| sdague | but I'll chat with jhesketh once he's back on and figure out what his thoughts are | 17:12 |
| jeblair | sdague: speaking of using a lot of real-estate, i am given to understand that the current state where each run is included is a temporary thing. when will we be able to return to the original design of only showing the latest? | 17:13 |
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| sdague | jeblair: well I actually was going to add collapse on it. I think it's actually important to show all the runs for the current patchnum | 17:14 |
| jeblair | sdague: i think that the current run status should almost by definition not use any more real-estate than displaying the final result | 17:14 |
| jeblair | sdague: i think if you want to see all the runs, that's what toggleci is for | 17:14 |
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| sdague | personally I really want all the tests for the current run, because the merged results were creating some very hard to decypher test tables when things where rechecked after a gate fail | 17:17 |
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| jeblair | sdague: no i get that | 17:17 |
| jeblair | sdague: clarkb explained that the return to the summary view was only waiting on the 'pipeline name' patch to merge | 17:17 |
| jeblair | sdague: so that you could display the most recent check and experimental jobs separately | 17:17 |
| jeblair | sdague: but still, we would only display the most recent of each | 17:17 |
| sdague | oh, sure | 17:17 |
| sdague | yeh, if that's in there, I can do that | 17:18 |
| jeblair | sdague: that seemed like a good plan to me. cool. i don't know current status, but i think i positively reviewed the change that added the names | 17:18 |
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| sdague | I'll also probably add something indicator that we've had more than 1 check result on this patch set, so you get feedback that this is a massively rechecked patch set | 17:19 |
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| sdague | but that should be able to be put into the header and not use any more vertical space | 17:19 |
| jeblair | sdague: ++ maybe a counter? "Check (4)" or something | 17:19 |
| sdague | yeh, something like that | 17:19 |
| jeblair | i like that | 17:19 |
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| sdague | jeblair: do you know where the pipeline name patch is so I can check it's status? | 17:20 |
| jeblair | (and i don't really have any objection if you want to make that expand; though i think it should be collapsed by default) | 17:20 |
| jeblair | i guess that would be somewhere in project-config | 17:20 |
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| jeblair | did clarkb write it? | 17:20 |
| clarkb | names are added | 17:20 |
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| jeblair | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125244/ | 17:21 |
| jeblair | yep | 17:21 |
| sdague | cool, I'll dive in shortly | 17:21 |
| vishy | wow I think this etherpad is bugged: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-crossproject-summit-topics | 17:21 |
| jeblair | and indeed, there they are right in the comments if you hit toggleci | 17:21 |
| jeblair | vishy: i had to use chrome with it | 17:21 |
| fungi | sdague: yeah, if you toggle ci and look at the raw comments, you'll see its effects in any relatively recent changeset | 17:21 |
| vishy | i’m on chrome | 17:21 |
| fungi | er, what jeblair said | 17:22 |
| sdague | vishy: that ether pad works fine for me on chrome | 17:22 |
| vishy | but I’m trying to add stuff in 10 and it won’t let me type | 17:22 |
| vishy | it keeps moving my cursor around | 17:22 |
| vishy | sdague: can you try and edit stuff where there is purple in 10.x | 17:22 |
| vishy | and see if it works for you? | 17:22 |
| sdague | yep, worked for me | 17:23 |
| jeblair | etherpad seems to be working okay for me; i'm not going to mess in 10.x to avoid stepping on toes | 17:23 |
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| sdague | Ubuntu + Chrome 38 | 17:23 |
| jeblair | i blame node.js | 17:24 |
| sdague | jeblair: that's a pretty safe blame | 17:24 |
| vishy | sdague you should look at my awesome typing | 17:24 |
| fungi | yeah, it's _very_ sluggish in my firefox and disconnected me a couple times there while i tried to edit lines | 17:24 |
| jeblair | sdague: i'm trying to find a way to blame systemd but i'm not there yet | 17:24 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131184/ - has Jenkins +1 now | 17:24 |
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| vishy | i can type on the line above just fine so go figure | 17:25 |
| fungi | but it ditn't move stuff around on me | 17:25 |
| sdague | jeblair: well vishy is on a mac, so you can blame that :) | 17:25 |
| vishy | when i click on line 10 my cursor moves left every 1 or 2 seconds | 17:25 |
| vishy | super strange | 17:25 |
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| vishy | sdague: lol 14 line 136 as well | 17:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Mikhail S Medvedev proposed a change to openstack-infra/system-config: Split out kibana module https://review.openstack.org/130634 | 17:28 |
| vishy | maybe there is a ghost trying to get me not to vote for certain things | 17:28 |
| clarkb | does a hard refresh help? | 17:28 |
| clarkb | I wonder if you have weird client side state (possible bug) | 17:28 |
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| fungi | well, it's also been noted that etherpad doesn't play nicely with certain browser plugins/extensions... it's entirely possible that one of the other connected clients is causing an issue | 17:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Added application cache https://review.openstack.org/130649 | 17:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Plugins may now register cron workers. https://review.openstack.org/129609 | 17:35 |
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| reed | does anybody know how to debug delivery of 'topics' messages in mailman? | 17:40 |
| reed | occasionally I have people reporting that they don't get messages for some topics and I have almost no tool to debug | 17:41 |
| fungi | reed: if there's a specific message and recipient i can correlate delivery information from the mta log | 17:41 |
| reed | fungi, this is one example message http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/047539.html | 17:42 |
| SlickNik | fungi: regarding that email from the eBay Trove test infrastructure — I'll follow up with amcrn, he's our Trove point of contact at eBay. | 17:42 |
| amcrn | fungi SlickNik: i sent out an email to some folks | 17:42 |
| reed | and ltoscano at redhat is the recipient recipient | 17:42 |
| fungi | SlickNik: amcrn: thanks! | 17:42 |
| amcrn | apologies for the spam :( | 17:42 |
| fungi | reed: looking now | 17:42 |
| SlickNik | amcrn: no worries — thanks for the follow up! | 17:43 |
| dhellmann | clarkb: let's leave 2.6 on all oslo libs for now. The team can work out which libs it's safe to remove them from during the summit and propose changes to project-config. | 17:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Kurt Taylor proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Adding puppet-bup as a split out puppet module https://review.openstack.org/131225 | 17:43 |
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| fungi | dhellmann: clarkb: yeah, there were at least some in the ml thread in favor of simply continuing to test all oslo libs against 2.6 since figuring out which ones were safe to drop could be problem-laden | 17:44 |
| dhellmann | fungi, clarkb : yeah, I definitely don't want to rush into that decision | 17:44 |
| dhellmann | I think we can drop a few jobs, but I'm OK with erring on the side of caution for now. | 17:44 |
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| clarkb | ya my intention all along was to just keep py26 on solo | 17:46 |
| dhellmann | clarkb, fungi : I added a note to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-oslo-python-3 so we can talk about it in that session for a couple of minutes | 17:46 |
| clarkb | so I have no objects | 17:46 |
| fungi | reed: i don't have logs any older than 10 days, so i think the trail has gone cold there | 17:46 |
| clarkb | *objections | 17:46 |
| dhellmann | clarkb: ok, cool | 17:46 |
| reed | fungi, ok, thanks for looking | 17:46 |
| annegent_ | anyone know the location of the pods next week? are they at Le Meridien? | 17:47 |
| clarkb | the hpcloud error rate seems to have ticked up. looking at nodepool logs to see if we can doi anything | 17:48 |
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| clarkb | LaunchStatusException: Server 8a479b5d-eac5-4c87-a142-4bb24a2a9637 for node id: 2798774 status: ERROR is not very verbose as to what error occurred | 17:49 |
| jeblair | clarkb: that's nodepool saying the server went into error state | 17:51 |
| clarkb | OverLimit: Maximum number of ports exceeded (HTTP 413) (Request-ID: req-0928e1ea-8d10-4bc3-ae97-875cf0722564) that is a bit better | 17:51 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ya | 17:51 |
| jeblair | clarkb: you may be able to 'nova show 8a479b5d-eac5-4c87-a142-4bb24a2a9637' to see a more detailed thing | 17:51 |
| clarkb | I think ^ is why | 17:51 |
| clarkb | we have run out of ports which maybe means we can leak ports too? | 17:51 |
| fungi | clarkb: we have 85 disassociated floating ips in there too | 17:51 |
| fungi | which i will start cleaning up now | 17:51 |
| clarkb | kk | 17:51 |
| clarkb | I wonder if each of those has a port? maybe the floating ip leak is also a port leak? | 17:52 |
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| mordred | I think there is a 1 to 1 with ports, yeah | 17:54 |
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| vishy | sdague: so the bug only seems to happen at a greater than zero zoom level | 17:56 |
| vishy | once i reset to no zoom it is fine :) | 17:56 |
| JayF | vishy: holy crap I've had that bug on my desktop since forever | 17:56 |
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| jeblair | vishy: aha! thanks! fungi: <-- | 17:56 |
| JayF | vishy: and I usually run that box at zoomed-in by default | 17:57 |
| JayF | vishy: ++++ | 17:57 |
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| sdague | vishy: hey | 17:57 |
| fungi | indeed--just saw. i'll keep that in mind in case anyone else reports similar symptoms | 17:57 |
| vishy | JayF: cool | 17:57 |
| sdague | heh | 17:57 |
| sdague | vishy: maybe use stylish to bump the text size via css instead | 17:57 |
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| anteaya | annegent_: I do not know, ttx would be the person with the room map | 18:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed a change to openstack-infra/system-config: Save last setting of Toggle CI button https://review.openstack.org/123464 | 18:11 |
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| anteaya | ah this patch landed to split out the puppet-kibana module: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130619/ | 18:17 |
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| anteaya | it was never frozen and kibana is still in system-config | 18:18 |
| anteaya | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130634/ | 18:18 |
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| anteaya | can we get an infra core to act as puppet module config co-ordinator so taht one person merges both project-config and system-config patches simultaniously | 18:19 |
| anteaya | I don't know if SergeyLukjanov is aware of what this entails | 18:19 |
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| fungi | does it match the current state of those files in system-config, and are there any proposed changes to either of them currently? | 18:19 |
| anteaya | I don't think the project-config change should be merged with a huge lag before the system-config change | 18:19 |
| anteaya | mmedvede did the split | 18:20 |
| anteaya | there was no freeze | 18:20 |
| fungi | it's a fairly low-churn module, so i expect we can de-facto freeze it right now with minimal impact | 18:20 |
| anteaya | we were discussing timing of a freeze and merging last week | 18:20 |
| anteaya | I expect so | 18:20 |
| anteaya | but in -meeting third-party is discussing more splits | 18:20 |
| anteaya | which is awesome | 18:21 |
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| anteaya | but I don't want us to create a similar situation with a high activity module | 18:21 |
| fungi | not great that it was left in a state where it could be merged without coordination, but we ought to be able to work around that | 18:21 |
| anteaya | thanks | 18:21 |
| anteaya | and going forward I'd like to have a clearer path so folks aren't confused about the timing of merges | 18:21 |
| anteaya | I had thought I had communicated that in my comment on the project-config patch but apparently I didn't | 18:22 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: I have also checked recently, and there were no merges that touch modules/kibana. I would recheck again | 18:22 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: thanks | 18:22 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: the fault isn't yours, it is ours | 18:23 |
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| mmedvede | I have asked here when I did the merge, and there were no consensus on the freeze logistics, it seemed | 18:23 |
| mmedvede | s/merge/patch | 18:23 |
| anteaya | when doing the splits the new repo needs to be merged and the old code removed from system-config right after each other | 18:23 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: right, like I said you are doing everything right, we need to be clearer | 18:23 |
| anteaya | you have demonstrated that | 18:24 |
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| anteaya | fungi: any objection to me commenting that I would like you to co-ordinate the merges of module splits? | 18:34 |
| anteaya | if I don't say someone by name I am concerned my comment with be not understood, like my prior comment was | 18:34 |
| anteaya | if not you, I'm open for suggestions | 18:35 |
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| fungi | anteaya: we might want to schedule them? | 18:39 |
| anteaya | good idea | 18:40 |
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| anteaya | how would a module split driver schedule a freeze/merge? | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | is it possible from the sched.org publishing site (the one the PTLs use) to insert links into the sched.org session descriptions? | 18:40 |
| anteaya | fungi: once we work this out, I will advise accordingly | 18:40 |
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| anteaya | the module split driver being the contributor offering the patches | 18:42 |
| fungi | morganfainberg: ttx might know | 18:43 |
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| mtreinish | morganfainberg: just putting a url in the description in the tool doesn't work? | 18:45 |
| anteaya | options are 1) add an agenda item to the -infra meeting and hope the item gets some air time and a scheduled slot 2) ask in here and get crickets 3) offer patches and hope they get merged eventually | 18:45 |
| anteaya | did I miss any options? | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | mtreinish, it doesn't make it an HTML link | 18:45 |
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| morganfainberg | mtreinish, i was hoping to make it a clicky-link. | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | mtreinish, vs. copy/paste | 18:45 |
| anteaya | we could also do a regular once a week thing | 18:45 |
| anteaya | like we did with friday project creation | 18:46 |
| anteaya | friday after module split | 18:46 |
| anteaya | *afternoon (eastern time) | 18:46 |
| sdague | jeblair / fungi you don't happen to have a review with the multiple recheck results inline do you? | 18:46 |
| * sdague asks before running off to find one | 18:46 | |
| sdague | I *think* I have the js changes to provide the desired result | 18:47 |
| fungi | sdague: https://review.openstack.org/127025 has three | 18:47 |
| anteaya | sdague: here is one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99522/8 | 18:47 |
| mtreinish | morganfainberg: oh ok, yeah ask ttx :) | 18:47 |
| sdague | fungi: thanks! | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | mtreinish, yeah. poking at it now since the deadline is tomorrow. | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | and it's hit/miss with ttx this time of day. | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | that whole timezone thing | 18:48 |
| nibalizer | anteaya: its like 3 things you need to sync up i think | 18:48 |
| nibalizer | the split-out, the project-config, the system-config change | 18:48 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: yes | 18:48 |
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| anteaya | nibalizer: exactly | 18:48 |
| nibalizer | they need to happen close to each other OR do a module that has little turn over | 18:48 |
| fungi | speaking of that review, https://openstackid.org/ is open for business | 18:48 |
| fungi | reed: ^ | 18:49 |
| anteaya | which after the proposer has had a few runs at it, just needs a window of time | 18:49 |
| nibalizer | which was sortof my strategy, to do all the unimportant modules with low turnover | 18:49 |
| reed | fungi, champagne! thanks | 18:49 |
| nibalizer | before touching sketchy ones like gerrit and jenkins | 18:49 |
| * nibalizer looks at -meeting | 18:49 | |
| anteaya | well jenkins is up with patches | 18:49 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: and don't keep your strategy a secret | 18:49 |
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| fungi | nibalizer: anteaya: perhaps the process should entail the proposer coordinating with an infra core reviewer who can approve the requisite changes (and any subsequent reverts) in rapid succession | 18:50 |
| nikil_nikil | hi i am trying to setup Third-party CI system. while configure zuul i checked out the example from here https://github.com/openstack-infra/zuul/blob/master/etc/zuul.conf-sample. But i am not sure what URL i should configure for [merger] | 18:50 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: anteaya fungi and use WIP to ensure we don't get things in the wrong sequence? | 18:51 |
| nikil_nikil | does any one have a sample configuration which is used in real time. My jenkins and zuul server is ready . Just i am facing the issue with reading gerrit events | 18:51 |
| anteaya | fungi: I'm fine with that | 18:51 |
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| anteaya | so each proposer shops for a core who will sheperd that patch series | 18:51 |
| anteaya | works for me | 18:51 |
| nibalizer | should we add an agenda item to the wiki to talk through a process? | 18:51 |
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| fungi | clarkb: anteaya: nibalizer: wip will work i think, though it also requires the proposer actively troll for core reviews because we'll be unlikely to notice wip changes | 18:52 |
| nibalizer | er to the wiki for the meeting? | 18:52 |
| anteaya | clarkb: and yes, the core doing the sheperding can -2 or wip the series until that core is happy with the patches and merges them | 18:52 |
| anteaya | fungi: right, it is the active trolling that we need to communicate | 18:52 |
| fungi | nikil_nikil: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/zuul/layout.yaml | 18:52 |
| fungi | nikil_nikil: oh, and the zuul.conf... getting you that now | 18:53 |
| anteaya | fungi: do we have a section in the design sessions that can append a section on "How do we deal with merges that need a core controller and still need active reviews?" | 18:53 |
| anteaya | whether that be wip, -2 or a new gerrit feature | 18:53 |
| fungi | nikil_nikil: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/modules/zuul/templates/zuul.conf.erb is the configuration template we use | 18:53 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: yes, do add | 18:53 |
| nibalizer | okay | 18:54 |
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| anteaya | nibalizer: if we figure it out before tomorrow we can give a one-line explanation and move on | 18:54 |
| anteaya | clarkb: do you know of a design summit session where we can shoehorn in that question? | 18:55 |
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| anteaya | I don't think it is difficult we just need some time to agree | 18:55 |
| fungi | nikil_nikil: you can see that for our zuul merger servers we set that to http://${::fqdn}/p in http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/modules/openstack_project/manifests/zuul_merger.pp | 18:55 |
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| fungi | nikil_nikil: but it should be basically whatever base url you're serving from apache for your merge refs | 18:56 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: I'm flying tomorrow | 18:56 |
| nikil_nikil | @fungi thanks let me gothrought the links which you gave me | 18:57 |
| clarkb | anteaya: I think we just need people to communicate more | 18:57 |
| anteaya | clarkb: agreed | 18:57 |
| clarkb | use WIP as appropriate and carefully spell out dependencies | 18:57 |
| anteaya | I can live with that | 18:57 |
| clarkb | then when the appropriate votes arrive $core can do the right thing | 18:57 |
| anteaya | and have $core for that patch package be named in a comment on the patch | 18:58 |
| fungi | and core reviewers need to of course remember, as always, to pay close attention to prerequisites spelled out in commit messages | 18:58 |
| fungi | it's all too easy to look at the patch content and not the commit message | 18:58 |
| anteaya | fungi: + | 18:58 |
| anteaya | agreed | 18:58 |
| clarkb | fungi: I find that WIP helps a lot with that because you can go look to see why it is WIPed | 18:58 |
| fungi | yep | 18:58 |
| anteaya | cool | 18:58 |
| fungi | it just makes it harder to get opportunistic reviews. but i think that's a trade-off with known solutions | 18:59 |
| clarkb | yup | 18:59 |
| anteaya | asselin mmedvede krtaylor okay folks, get an infra core to say they will help you, get that core to wip your patches (or you can), name that core as sheperd for your patches in a comment on ALL the patches, co-ordinate freeze/merging with that core | 19:00 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: ^^ | 19:00 |
| nibalizer | anteaya: okay | 19:01 |
| asselin | anteaya, thanks. | 19:01 |
| nibalizer | do we have a prefix for patches? | 19:01 |
| anteaya | clarkb: I'm packing/errands today and flying tomorrow, I think whatever is on the tp-requests list can wait until summit or after | 19:01 |
| nibalizer | like puppet-split or something? | 19:01 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: I think krtaylor has one | 19:01 |
| mmedvede | nibalizer: were using module-split | 19:01 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: can you deal with the screaming or do you want to do something before I go? | 19:01 |
| clarkb | anteaya: ok, I did want to ask about the person asking if they need a second account to do cinder testing | 19:01 |
| anteaya | clarkb: right, well that kind of depends on how they are testing | 19:02 |
| anteaya | it is possible to do both neutron and cinder testing from the same account | 19:02 |
| anteaya | since vmware does both nova and neutron from the same account | 19:02 |
| clarkb | right technically we allow it | 19:02 |
| anteaya | but how they do it could determine if they have the flexibility they want | 19:02 |
| anteaya | technically we allow it, yes | 19:03 |
| clarkb | but I guess it depend on whether or not they are using a single zuul | 19:03 |
| mmedvede | nibalizer: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:module-split,n,z | 19:03 |
| anteaya | that would play a role, yes | 19:03 |
| anteaya | clarkb: that kind of question is best as part of a conversation I find | 19:03 |
| clarkb | ya I can ping them asking for more info to see how they are set up | 19:03 |
| anteaya | since they are making assumptions when they ask, and I don't know what those assumptions are | 19:04 |
| nibalizer | mmedvede: awwwesome! | 19:04 |
| anteaya | clarkb: and if you could point them at the third party meeting, that would be great too | 19:04 |
| anteaya | clarkb: and thanks :D | 19:04 |
| clarkb | anteaya: can do | 19:04 |
| anteaya | thank you | 19:04 |
| krtaylor | nibalizer, https://review.openstack.org/#/q/branch:master+topic:module-split,n,z | 19:04 |
| krtaylor | clarkb, anteaya, yes that is a great question for third-party meeting, it needs background on what they are trying to do | 19:05 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: so for the patches in progress, we should add a core on those? | 19:06 |
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| clarkb | does anyone know why puppet-storyboard is special cased in modules.env? | 19:08 |
| clarkb | mmedvede: I am reviewing your change and running across ^ | 19:08 |
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| clarkb | trying to figure out if the kibana split out needs the same treatment | 19:08 |
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| mmedvede | clarkb: thank you. I am not sure why. I know that this part is not getting run for the gate | 19:09 |
| clarkb | I think we do want it to come with gate tests | 19:09 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: please | 19:09 |
| clarkb | and move puppet-kibana into the same conditional block | 19:09 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: we put ours in there | 19:10 |
| mmedvede | clarkb: If I do, the gate-infra-puppet-apply-precise would fail | 19:10 |
| clarkb | mmedvede: 9d23185ac5e79f30df39ec8fee19e4b23d86965f set most of this up for us, now we just need to run the test on these split out modules | 19:10 |
| nibalizer | so zuul-cloner can handle them if we ever want it to | 19:10 |
| clarkb | mmedvede: then we need to fix that before we can split out | 19:10 |
| nibalizer | im pretty sure we dont actually do anything with it | 19:10 |
| nibalizer | as of yet | 19:10 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: we do | 19:10 |
| clarkb | storyboard runs the gate josb | 19:11 |
| clarkb | in an integration test format | 19:11 |
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| fungi | and with that, i'm going to go grab a late lunch before returning to the usual fun | 19:11 |
| clarkb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126072/ yup | 19:12 |
| clarkb | so we want that for the puppet-kibana module too | 19:12 |
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| anteaya | fungi: enjoy lunch | 19:12 |
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| nibalizer | clarkb: ooh i didn't know that the gate test used zuul cloner | 19:13 |
| afazekas | clarkb: I am using the fixed ip instead of floating because it is more efficient, and does not have unexpected strange surprises | 19:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed a change to openstack-infra/system-config: only show most recent results per pipeline https://review.openstack.org/131249 | 19:13 |
| sdague | jeblair: ... I think that's it | 19:14 |
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| sdague | the data is going to be a little fugly while there are still extra jenkins results that don't have pipeline comments, but it will converge over time | 19:14 |
| clarkb | afazekas_pub: I don't think that is necessarily true | 19:14 |
| sdague | anteaya: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6514884/screenshot_201.png is the results of that on the patch you sent me | 19:15 |
| clarkb | jeblair: in any case ^ | 19:16 |
| viglesias | hey team is the jenkins rollup in gerrit a patch to gerrit? are you guys running a fork? how would i get that magic into my gerrit? | 19:16 |
| anteaya | sdague: did your patch limit freescale ci to one entry? | 19:16 |
| sdague | anteaya: yes | 19:16 |
| anteaya | sdague: awesome, thank you | 19:16 |
| sdague | with (290 rechecks) in the text | 19:16 |
| krotscheck | clarkb: No idea? | 19:16 |
| anteaya | sdague: what number is the patch so I might +1? | 19:17 |
| clarkb | krotscheck: its ok, I tracked it down :) we do integration testing as I described so I am not completely crazy | 19:17 |
| sdague | anteaya: https://review.openstack.org/131249 | 19:17 |
| mmedvede | clarkb: the integration test implementation was the part that was left out for now. If I understood it correctly, when we discussed it with anteaya and nibalizer, the tests were left out for later. | 19:17 |
| clarkb | mmedvede: they are mistaken | 19:17 |
| anteaya | clarkb: carl_baldwin might have an opinion on fixed vs floating ip for multinode testing | 19:17 |
| clarkb | mmedvede: we need them now s othat we don't regress | 19:17 |
| mmedvede | clarkb: so the later is now :) | 19:17 |
| clarkb | mmedvede: yes :) | 19:17 |
| morganfainberg | mtreinish, so looks like <a href="...."> just works | 19:18 |
| morganfainberg | mtreinish, yay! | 19:18 |
| mtreinish | morganfainberg: heh, ok cool | 19:18 |
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| mmedvede | clarkb: ok then, I need to actually learn now how to get that done, or to delegate it | 19:18 |
| mtreinish | I'll have to remember to add etherpad links | 19:18 |
| nibalizer | well so | 19:18 |
| clarkb | afazekas_pub: I worry that it is a premature optimization that comes with a lot of code | 19:18 |
| afazekas_pub | clarkb: In theory multonode setup can exists with one floating ip and arbitrary number of fixed ip... the other issue some part of openstack (iscsi target) figure out his local ip and expects to be used by the clients. the float->fixed at the best case scenario (at net layer) contains at least one mapping from floating to fixed (SNAT) | 19:18 |
| clarkb | afazekas_pub: for a potential problem. | 19:18 |
| nibalizer | 'integration tests' is an overloaded word to me | 19:18 |
| nibalizer | so we want all our modules to run under gate-config-puppet-apply | 19:19 |
| nibalizer | thats one form of integration test | 19:19 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: it means testing puppet-* against system-config | 19:19 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: whenever either one of them makes changes | 19:19 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: in this case our implementation is using the two puppet-apply jobs | 19:19 |
| nibalizer | the other is to run beaker tests, which i don't think is quite there yet | 19:19 |
| clarkb | afazekas_pub: I think we are mixing together two different networking layers | 19:19 |
| afazekas_pub | clarkb: it is not premature optimization on my side, it is premature not go to the unknown area :) | 19:19 |
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| nibalizer | point is, you have to put the kibana module in tools/apply-test.sh like i commented | 19:20 |
| anteaya | sdague: 290 rechecks, wow | 19:20 |
| clarkb | afazekas_pub: instead f using the pulbic IPs on our test slaves by `cat /etc/nodepool/primary_node` to get the IP we are doing some ciomplicated bash to get the supposed internal IP | 19:20 |
| nibalizer | once kibana is split, we'll probably add lint and spec and beaker tests to it, but that comes after its been integrated with system-config | 19:20 |
| clarkb | afazekas_pub: everything should just work with the public IP (now I wouldn't be surprised if something doesnt work) | 19:20 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: I am sorry that I was mistaken about the tests, listen to clarkb on this | 19:20 |
| clarkb | afazekas_pub: but jenkins talks through that interface too so if it doesn't work we have bigger problems and should be fixing it | 19:21 |
| afazekas_pub | clarkb: for example the icsi does not works with floating IP AFAIK | 19:21 |
| clarkb | afazekas_pub: ok, so maybe what we can do is make the change that jeblair suggests and see if it breaks? | 19:21 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: no worries :) | 19:21 |
| clarkb | afazekas_pub: its a small change and we can test it | 19:21 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: you have given a lot of help | 19:22 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: glad you have gotten to where you are, keep going | 19:22 |
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| clarkb | nibalizer: and yes apply-test needs to be updated too | 19:23 |
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| clarkb | nibalizer: but we can do that all in one change so that the split and testing happen mostly atomically | 19:23 |
| clarkb | also why are any services figuring things out when they are told to use a specific IP? | 19:24 |
| afazekas_pub | clarkb: just to clearly : you are asking me to use floating Ip whenever is possible even if I have the code for fixed ip ? | 19:24 |
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| clarkb | afazekas_pub: I think mostly we are asking you to rely on the environment nodepool is presenting to you | 19:24 |
| clarkb | afazekas_pub: nodepool says use IP X | 19:24 |
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| clarkb | afazekas_pub: but your code says no nodepool is wrong let me use Y | 19:24 |
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| clarkb | and I think it is a bug if we tell cinder to use X but it uses Y instead | 19:25 |
| afazekas_pub | clarkb: I proposed a change to nodepole to give me fixed ips, (I got -1) | 19:25 |
| clarkb | afazekas_pub: yes, because I think current stance is this is a premature optimization | 19:25 |
| clarkb | have we tested it the other way? | 19:26 |
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| clarkb | we should | 19:26 |
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| afazekas_pub | Now the code is WORKING , we can optimize or deoptimize later :) | 19:26 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: also | 19:27 |
| nibalizer | well let me check | 19:27 |
| clarkb | afazekas_pub: yes I personally am ok with it as is. jeblair had concerns though | 19:27 |
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| clarkb | afazekas_pub: I am trying to render jeblair's argument for you | 19:27 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ^ any chance you can respond? | 19:27 |
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| clarkb | nibalizer: yes? | 19:28 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: so we could refactor modules.env to have the openstack-ci modules in a separate variable, at least at first, then just source that from apply-test | 19:28 |
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| clarkb | ya we may find items like ^ will make things easier as the list gets bigger | 19:28 |
| nibalizer | no need to write something like that twice | 19:28 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:29 |
| anteaya | clarkb: sorry to leave when fungi is on lunch but endless construction next door just started up some machine and I have to run away from home and pray it is off by the time I get back | 19:30 |
| anteaya | no idea what they are doing | 19:30 |
| clarkb | no problem good luck escaping the noise | 19:30 |
| clarkb | good thing you get to go out of town huh? | 19:30 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: hava a great time off | 19:31 |
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| mmedvede | nibalizer: so I should wait with my patch until after the refactor? | 19:32 |
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| nibalizer | mmedvede: no just add your module to apply-test | 19:32 |
| afazekas_pub | jogo: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106043/ | 19:32 |
| clarkb | mmedvede: no since the ball has started rolling we should get it all the way to where we want it | 19:32 |
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| afazekas_pub | jeblair: ping | 19:35 |
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| afazekas_pub | BTW: long time ago I written the code by expecting the np gives me fixed ip , when it not worked I started to use the fip->fixed translation every where probbaly at more place when it is really required. but asking me to not use the translator EVERYWHERE also sounds like premature optimization .. | 19:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Mikhail S Medvedev proposed a change to openstack-infra/system-config: Split out kibana module https://review.openstack.org/130634 | 19:41 |
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| jeblair | afazekas_pub, clarkb: hi | 19:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Add links to RSS feeds https://review.openstack.org/131256 | 19:49 |
| jeblair | afazekas_pub: my suggestion is don't try to find out the fixed ip, use the ip that nodepool gives you (the public ip) | 19:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Add links to RSS feeds https://review.openstack.org/131256 | 19:50 |
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| jeblair | afazekas_pub: it's less code -- especially less code that does complicated network inspection on the nodes which might break | 19:51 |
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| afazekas_pub | If I need to find the fixed ip at least once, the code size does not have any real benefit. and probbaly in most network using fip instead of fixed ip is less efficient | 19:52 |
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| afazekas_pub | jeblair: So the question is, are you asking me to use fip at all places when it is possible ? | 19:55 |
| jeblair | afazekas_pub: i believe that if you need to find the fixed ip there is a bug. it's even difficult to talk about this because you are using terminology that only one of our cloud providers uses. the other cloud provider provides "public" and "private" ips, and does not use the floating-ip extension. | 19:55 |
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| afazekas_pub | fip -> the the visible ip can be different for the client than to the server | 19:57 |
| jeblair | afazekas_pub: yes -- i want to know that there is a reason that we need all of that code before i +2 it. | 19:58 |
| jeblair | afazekas_pub: yes, unfortunately, on one of our clouds, the public ip of a server is not visible, and on the other, it is. openstack kind of sucks because of that. | 19:58 |
| jeblair | afazekas_pub: but if cinder does not allow us to specify what ip it should report as the iscsi target, it sounds like a problem in cinder | 20:00 |
| afazekas_pub | My problem is at the moment, I need to fight for get in code which can work, not for a code which works better in some cases or supports more providers.. . just as first step | 20:01 |
| jeblair | (after all, in real production hardware a host may be multihomed) | 20:01 |
| jeblair | afazekas_pub: then why did you do the complicated thing first? | 20:01 |
| mmedvede | clarkb: I have updated the kibana split patch, https://review.openstack.org/130634 | 20:01 |
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| clarkb | mmedvede: thank you, looking now | 20:01 |
| afazekas_pub | jeblair: it is not cinder issue, AFIK the lower layer is not prepared for such mapping | 20:02 |
| jeblair | afazekas_pub: what lower layer? | 20:02 |
| clarkb | mmedvede: there is one remaining piece. let me link you to an example | 20:02 |
| clarkb | mmedvede: nevermind it goes in project-config so I think the system-config change is good to go | 20:02 |
| afazekas_pub | jeblair: tgtd | 20:02 |
| clarkb | mmedvede: but let me tell you what we need to add to project-config so you can propose that too | 20:03 |
| mmedvede | clarkb: thank you | 20:03 |
| clarkb | mmedvede: oh we have the project-config side done | 20:03 |
| mmedvede | clarkb: yes, it has been pulled in | 20:03 |
| clarkb | so sytem-config is ready to go now | 20:03 |
| jeblair | afazekas_pub: apparently tgtd listens on all interfaces, so that shouldn't be a problem | 20:04 |
| clarkb | I +2'd maybe we can get fungi or jeblair to look quickly as well | 20:04 |
| jeblair | clarkb: link? | 20:04 |
| clarkb | jeblair: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130634/ | 20:04 |
| jeblair | afazekas_pub: and then cinder.conf has iscsi_ip_address option: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/etc/cinder/cinder.conf.sample#L1037 | 20:05 |
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| afazekas_pub | jeblair: we had issue with tgtd over SNAT , I can't remember what was the issue exactly | 20:05 |
| clarkb | the puppet-kibana project exists now so trying to make sure we get the work to split it out done before we can regress on it | 20:05 |
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| jeblair | afazekas_pub: if so, i'd like to open an issue with hpcloud. i don't like the idea that we can't do something we should be able to on openstack. | 20:06 |
| afazekas_pub | jeblair: are you suggesting we just need to configure that attribute and then only that address will work | 20:06 |
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| jeblair | afazekas_pub: seems like it? i've never set up cinder, so i don't know. but i would expect that if we set that, then clients should know which tgtd to connect to. | 20:07 |
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| wenlock | fungi, didn't get a chance to thank you for merging my change last week, ty ty! | 20:07 |
| afazekas_pub | jeblar: so are you asking me to to try to use FIP as much as possible (even if it is not the best way) ? | 20:08 |
| jeblair | wenlock: oh cool, it looks like your modules.env change merged and we're using it. yay! :) | 20:09 |
| jeblair | clarkb, fungi, mmedvede: i +2d https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130634/ will give fungi a chance to see it | 20:10 |
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| mmedvede | jeblair, clarkb: thank you :) | 20:11 |
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| jeblair | afazekas_pub: if it's not the best way, i want to know why. i'm not asking you to do something worse -- if the fixed ip is better for some demonstrated reason, we can consider using it. but right now, i don't know why using the ip that nodepool supplies is not the best way so i think that's what we should do. | 20:12 |
| afazekas_pub | jeblair: AFAIK using Fixed ip for internal contamination always consumes less or equal resources | 20:13 |
| jeblair | afazekas_pub: there was a time on rax where the opposite was true -- the public network was less congested than the private one. | 20:14 |
| jeblair | i don't know if that's still the case. | 20:14 |
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| afazekas_pub | using FIP -> going to the L3 network (agent) (at least one SNATor equivalent) | 20:16 |
| jeblair | afazekas_pub: in any sizable deployment, i would expect using a private address to hit a router too. | 20:16 |
| jeblair | but all of that is invisible to us anyway | 20:17 |
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| afazekas_pub | Hitting the router for simple route(or switching) or for doing some translation .... | 20:18 |
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| jeblair | afazekas_pub: this is all speculation. i'm simply saying that i do not want any more complexity than is necessary. if it is necessary, let's talk about it. but it does not sound like we know that yet. | 20:20 |
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| fungi | back now for a couple hours, then going to stand on the beach for a bit to watch the iss resupply rocket launch | 20:23 |
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| wenlock | jeblair, yeah, i saw that on that review and was like, oh what, woot! | 20:23 |
| jeblair | fungi: suddenly my day isn't nearly as good as i thought it was :/ | 20:23 |
| wenlock | made my day | 20:24 |
| * wenlock imagines a day in fungi's shoes to exciting | 20:24 | |
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| clarkb | fungi you can see that? I need a beach house ;) | 20:26 |
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| mmedvede | fungi: before you go and watch the rocket blasting off into space, can you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130634/. It should be ready to go | 20:29 |
| * mmedvede never seen a rocket blasting off into space :( | 20:30 | |
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| notmyname | sdague: re https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126753/ how is this already possible? I don't see any options to strip the header (at lease with --help | 20:32 |
| sdague | notmyname: the point is you can add the url to the browser already. Christian commented to that effect. So the question I had is what's not working about that today | 20:33 |
| fungi | mmedvede: clarkb: the prerequisite for 130634 is already merged, so any objections to me approving it now? | 20:34 |
| notmyname | sdague: my use case is `./gerrit-dash-creator foo.dash | pbcopy` then I can simply paste that into a browser. alternatively, `gerrit-dash-creator | open`. With the header there, it doesn't parse as a url | 20:34 |
| clarkb | fungi go for it | 20:34 |
| fungi | jeblair: clarkb: yeah, the launch pad is off the coast of virginia, a little ways north of here | 20:35 |
| ianw | fungi: doh, re centos login. will fix in a bit | 20:35 |
| sdague | notmyname: ok, can you put that info in there? Christian had a -1 on that since Oct 8, and you provided no feedback to that effect. | 20:35 |
| fungi | calculating for curvature of the earth, given it's a clear sky, ought to be able to see the trail by ~22:50 utc, though the sun's also going down, so maybe engine flare instead | 20:35 |
| notmyname | sdague: sorry. just now saw it when you commented | 20:36 |
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| jeblair | fungi: my mom is on the edge of the t+210 circle, i let her know to look for it | 20:36 |
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| sdague | fungi: yeh, it should be a pretty bright orange | 20:37 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Make function for logstash query encoding https://review.openstack.org/122246 | 20:37 |
| mordred | jeblair: I blame systemd for the fact that I just had to reboot my laptop to get networking to work | 20:37 |
| clarkb | mordred network manager didnt do that independently? | 20:38 |
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| jeblair | mordred: you know how i changed my screen aspect ratio the other day for a projector? | 20:38 |
| mordred | clarkb: I've ceased assuming that I can understand what anything did or didn't do | 20:38 |
| mordred | jeblair: yes | 20:38 |
| jeblair | mordred: now every time i resume from suspend, i'm in 4:3. | 20:38 |
| mordred | jeblair: AWESOME | 20:38 |
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| jeblair | mordred: i'm pretty sure i have an idea who's responsible for that | 20:38 |
| notmyname | sdague: done | 20:38 |
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| mordred | jeblair: I really want to blame BOTH lennart AND sabdfl, but I can't find a world view where that's accurate | 20:40 |
| jeblair | mordred: sabdfl killed upstart (which could have pre-empted systemd) with the cla? | 20:41 |
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| mordred | yah | 20:42 |
| mordred | his mismanagement of upstart opened the door for a world run by lennart | 20:42 |
| jeblair | mordred: i mean, there's an alternate universe where we might only be complaining about how the init system is broken with upstart, not the entire os with systemd-* | 20:42 |
| mordred | so is sabdfl the bolsheviks and lennart is lenin? | 20:42 |
| jeblair | mordred: i think the analogy is solid | 20:42 |
| fungi | certainly worthy of a plenary talk anyway | 20:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed a change to openstack-infra/nodepool: Add centos to list of alternative users for login https://review.openstack.org/131269 | 20:43 |
| dims__ | sdague: ping | 20:43 |
| ianw | fungi: ^ ... the perils of grepping for an error message | 20:43 |
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| dims__ | sdague: looking at the 2 reviews, we still need to be able to specify REQUIREMENTS_MODE in a project's yml file right? | 20:45 |
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| sdague | dims__: through d-g in some way, yes | 20:45 |
| fungi | dims__: without having them in front of me, i think we need alternative job definitions for those projects which would pass that through devstack-gate | 20:45 |
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| sdague | dims__: so I figured this was the infrastructure, and if you have a particular docker job that you want to do the plumb on to set that this works, we should do that | 20:46 |
| fungi | so the full implementation will involve patches to openstack/requirements, openstack-dev/devstack, openstack-infra/devstack-gate and openstack-infra/project-config | 20:47 |
| ianw | fungi: are you thinking like a "login-user" entry for images in the yaml? | 20:47 |
| dims__ | sdague: we'll need something similar to this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130018/ - to pass the flag forward | 20:47 |
| fungi | ianw: either that or just move the "let's try these" list into a global section in the nodepool.yaml | 20:47 |
| mordred | clarkb, fungi, jeblair: more and more teams/channels are growing untriaged-bugs bots | 20:47 |
| jogo | who manages the requirements bot: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129883/3/requirements.txt | 20:47 |
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| sdague | dims__: yep | 20:47 |
| ianw | i've never really understood the point of all these "cloud-user" logins | 20:47 |
| mordred | it might be time to consider whether that's something that wants to live in the stable of central bots | 20:47 |
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| mordred | ianw: to drive insanity | 20:48 |
| jeblair | mordred: i think so | 20:48 |
| fungi | jogo: it's a jenkins job | 20:48 |
| clarkb | but that diff is an update.py thing | 20:48 |
| clarkb | so you want reqs core | 20:48 |
| fungi | jogo: it runs http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/jenkins/scripts/propose_update.sh | 20:48 |
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| dims__ | sdague: want me to un-abandon that one and switch the flag to REQUIREMENTS_MODE? | 20:48 |
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| fungi | ianw: it comes from the soulless minions of infosec orthodoxy who proclaim "logging in as root is bad!" and then go on to recommend creating a new account which is almost indistinguishable from root in every way and logging in with that instead | 20:50 |
| fungi | ianw: why do you hate security? don't you like to pass audits? | 20:50 |
| pleia2 | hah | 20:50 |
| pleia2 | settled in to Florida motel home for the rest of the week (through Friday, when I leave for Paris) | 20:50 |
| cody-somerville | Is it true that trusty is now required by Nova due to upgraded libvirt requirement? | 20:51 |
| pleia2 | apparently the connection here is better at home, which nagios tells me was down for 2 hours (thanks Comcast) | 20:51 |
| sdague | dims__: works for me | 20:51 |
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| fungi | cody-somerville: i believe trusty is now required if you want to run nova's unit tests, since they want to test that your changes haven't broken newer libvirt interaction | 20:52 |
| clarkb | uca works for that too | 20:53 |
| fungi | cody-somerville: though i thought nova could still be configured to _run_ with older libvirt | 20:53 |
| clarkb | you need >0.9.8 iirc | 20:53 |
| clarkb | fungi that is my understanding too | 20:53 |
| fungi | even just to start the nova services now? | 20:53 |
| clarkb | no for unittests | 20:54 |
| fungi | oh, >0.9.8 to run unit tests | 20:54 |
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| clarkb | ya | 20:54 |
| fungi | right, that's what i believe i had gathered from the ml thread a couple months ago | 20:54 |
| fungi | cody-somerville: though asking in @openstack-nova might yield more realistic answers... | 20:54 |
| fungi | er, #openstack-nova | 20:54 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/system-config: Split out kibana module https://review.openstack.org/130634 | 20:55 |
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| clarkb | and the reason for that version is it allows you to install libvirt-python in a virtualenv | 20:58 |
| clarkb | which means nova no longer relies on site packages during testing | 20:58 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: I never in my life have looked forward to leaving my home | 21:00 |
| anteaya | clarkb: and yes looking forward to leaving tomorrow | 21:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Ability to flag projects to use non-standard libraries https://review.openstack.org/130018 | 21:02 |
| clarkb | it is nice outside. /me is going to walk and get lunch | 21:04 |
| dims__ | sdague: here it is - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130018/ | 21:04 |
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| pleia2 | anteaya: safe travels tomorrow | 21:08 |
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| krotscheck | Today’s fun discovery. | 21:12 |
| krotscheck | The newer version of rabbit on trusty has mildly changed its CLI output, meaning that the rabbitmq puppet module now fails on detecting users. | 21:13 |
| krotscheck | So I think: Ok, I can downgrade. | 21:13 |
| krotscheck | Nope! The $version flag in the current puppetforge rabbitmq module? DOES NOTHING. | 21:13 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: i think in all cases we would want to run the version of rabbit provided by ubuntu -- so at least asking puppet to downgrade it for us is not something we'd want to do in production (but i understand why you would want to downgrade in your test env to match prod) | 21:15 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: Well, there’s two supported packages upstream. | 21:16 |
| krotscheck | But either way, fail. | 21:16 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: oh, both vers are in trusty? | 21:16 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: apt-cache showpkg rabbitmq-server shows two versions | 21:17 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: oh, apparently we install rabbitmq from the rabbitmq apt repo | 21:17 |
| sdague | jeblair: ok, I'm about to call it a day, but I think - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131249/ does all the UI cleanup you wanted on the gerrit results. I also put 2 screenshots into the review comments to show how it looks. | 21:17 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: i'm slightly surprised by that | 21:18 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: 290 rechecks!? | 21:18 |
| jeblair | sdague: awesome! enjoy your rocket-viewing, and also, even though i'm late to the game, welcome back! and also, even though i'm really really late and was in china at the time, congratulations! :) | 21:19 |
| sdague | jeblair: thanks :) | 21:19 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: What, the two versions? or installing it from the rabbit PPA? | 21:19 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: from the rabbit ppa -- does puppetlabs/rabbitmq do that? | 21:20 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: It.. .doesn’t appear to. For some reason it depends on puppetlabs/apt, so there might be something buried. Still digging. | 21:23 |
| nibalizer | look like it knows how https://github.com/puppetlabs/puppetlabs-rabbitmq/blob/master/manifests/repo/apt.pp | 21:23 |
| jeblair | that's the repo that got installed in prod, so i suspect that is running in our case | 21:24 |
| jeblair | (i don't see anything in our code that would do that) | 21:24 |
| nibalizer | just set manage_repos => true, which is the default in latest | 21:24 |
| nibalizer | so it should be installing the upstream repos | 21:24 |
| jeblair | ok. at some point we should probably chat about whether that's what we actually want. :) you know if there's one thing sysadmins really like, it's being surprised by what's running on their systems! | 21:26 |
| krotscheck | nibalizer: In the meantime, there’s a brilliant solution to my personal problem listed here - any idea on how I can get them to work on that? https://tickets.puppetlabs.com/browse/MODULES-1449 | 21:27 |
| krotscheck | It’s even backwards compatible! | 21:27 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: so maybe the version that's _actually_ in trusty would work? (because maybe you are installing a post-trusty version from rabbitmq repo?) | 21:27 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: (or even precise) | 21:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Khai Do proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Add documentation for getting openid URL to setup super users. https://review.openstack.org/131276 | 21:27 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: The trusty version is 3.4, or 3.2. the latter works with the module, the former doesn’t. | 21:28 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=rabbitmq-server&searchon=names&suite=trusty§ion=all | 21:29 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: that just says 3.2.4; is it possible that 3.4 is from the rabbitmq ppa? | 21:29 |
| krotscheck | Huhn. | 21:29 |
| jeblair | http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=rabbitmq-server&searchon=names&suite=precise§ion=all | 21:29 |
| krotscheck | sec. | 21:29 |
| jeblair | and precise is 2.7.1 ftr | 21:29 |
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| nibalizer | krotscheck: we pray to crinkle ^ | 21:32 |
| * crinkle ducks | 21:33 | |
| nibalizer | krotscheck: i hear she likes dark chocolate and will be at the summit, so thats my suggestion | 21:33 |
| nibalizer | also the changes that are suggested there probably aren't too hard to do, so maybe you should hack on the provider? | 21:34 |
| krotscheck | nibalizer: If this doesn’t work, I’m not above bribery. | 21:34 |
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| krotscheck | nibalizer: Also that. | 21:34 |
| krotscheck | nibalizer: Except it would require me to learn ruby. And I’m not certain if I could take the cognitive dissonance. | 21:34 |
| krotscheck | Ah, brilliant. Switching to not using the PPA made it all happy. | 21:37 |
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| koolhead17 | anteaya: around | 21:38 |
| nibalizer | krotscheck: well you have successfully nerd-sniped me on it | 21:39 |
| nibalizer | so if its easy i'll just do it for you | 21:39 |
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| mtreinish | jeblair: I made https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lets-subunit2sql to track the steps for getting subunit2sql up and running whenever the time comes | 21:41 |
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| jeblair | mtreinish: cool, will review those changes now | 21:42 |
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| jeblair | mtreinish: i'm happy about the amount of infra shared with the log workers! | 21:44 |
| mtreinish | jeblair: heh, it's all thanks to clarkb, who told me to do it that way :) | 21:44 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: thanks! | 21:44 |
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| andreaf | jeblair, mtreinish: as I see you both here, I wanted to chat about http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/049203.html | 21:48 |
| jhesketh | Morning | 21:49 |
| jeblair | mtreinish: i think i found a small thing in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108003/ otherwise lgtm | 21:49 |
| jeblair | andreaf: hi | 21:49 |
| jeblair | andreaf: jogo is also interested in this and jhesketh :) | 21:49 |
| mtreinish | jeblair: yep nice catch, I probably should change that rule to be the sql port (3306 I think?) instead :) | 21:50 |
| jeblair | andreaf: i believe the way to get to where we want is: 1) land the mysql reporter change for zuul; 2) enhance zuul to provide status information about jobs from the mysql db over http+json; 3) make a status page to display that | 21:50 |
| * jogo perks up | 21:51 | |
| jeblair | mtreinish: except we won't actually be running a mysql server, so i think you can leave that out | 21:51 |
| jeblair | mtreinish: (i assum we will put it in trove) | 21:51 |
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| koolhead17 | jogo: jeblair if i say 5 blueprint implemented for Juno, it means 5 new features got added to a specific project a that release cycle. | 21:51 |
| mtreinish | jeblair: yeah you're right, I guess I misread that as an outbound rule, my iptables-fu is lacking | 21:51 |
| koolhead17 | am i correct guys :) | 21:52 |
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| jeblair | andreaf: jhesketh is working on the mysql reporter patch (i don't know off-hand if it is ready for review) | 21:52 |
| jeblair | mtreinish: ah yeah, i think we mostly think outbound rules are the devil's work | 21:52 |
| jogo | koolhead17: yes, but not all features are end user facing | 21:52 |
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| andreaf | jeblair: so I proposed a session in the QA track on this, because I though it was worth discussing what the dashboard should like like, how we advertise the right info to the right people etc | 21:52 |
| mtreinish | jeblair: if it's inbound is that for the gearman connections then? If so we'll still need that | 21:53 |
| andreaf | jeblair: but I wonder now if it should be a QA / infra session instead | 21:53 |
| jhesketh | jeblair, andreaf: I haven't read scrollback but there is a mysql reporter | 21:53 |
| jogo | andreaf: not sure if that would take a whole session | 21:53 |
| koolhead17 | jogo: i am more interested in overall picture so https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/juno means 5 new features landed in Galnce along with previous bug fixes | 21:53 |
| koolhead17 | for juno release | 21:53 |
| koolhead17 | correct? | 21:53 |
| mtreinish | jogo: the session was also about what kind of stuff we should be testing there | 21:53 |
| jogo | koolhead17: well not sure what a implemented BP in discussion means | 21:54 |
| jogo | but normally yes | 21:54 |
| mtreinish | jogo: http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/event/1e33d1f4896a52e2c02b062cfc18ba39#.VE6-kn96c-U | 21:54 |
| jeblair | andreaf: yeah, most of the actual work is on the zuul side, so hopefully infra folks can show up for it | 21:54 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: ^^^ if you get a chance could you right a better summary? | 21:54 |
| mtreinish | s/right/write | 21:54 |
| koolhead17 | Thanks jogo working on story around BP and feature add | 21:54 |
| koolhead17 | so this makes sense and am doing it correctly | 21:54 |
| koolhead17 | :) | 21:54 |
| jogo | mtreinish: ahh yeah that could be useful to do in person | 21:55 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: yes will do | 21:55 |
| jeblair | andreaf: looks like that's no conflict with infra, so we should be good | 21:55 |
| andreaf | jeblair: ok fine then | 21:55 |
| jeblair | andreaf: be sure to keep CI in the title and we'll know to show up :) | 21:55 |
| fungi | last i looked, the infra and qa sessions don't overlap anywhere | 21:55 |
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| jogo | mtreinish: it would be nice to go into that session with a plan that we can pick apart | 21:55 |
| jeblair | fungi: true, and for some reason i keep checking :) | 21:55 |
| mtreinish | fungi: yeah I believe that was the case | 21:55 |
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| fungi | so i was mostly intending to be in infra or qa sessions unless there weren't any for a particular time | 21:56 |
| mtreinish | jogo: andreaf proposed it, so look to him... | 21:56 |
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| jeblair | at least, it also doesn't overlap with a non-infra-qa session of interest to us too :) | 21:56 |
| fungi | heh | 21:56 |
| andreaf | jeblair, mtreinish, fungi: ok thanks, I'll update the description, and prepare an etherpad | 21:57 |
| jhesketh | jeblair, andreaf : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65885/ | 21:57 |
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| jogo | andreaf: it would be nice to go into that session with a plan that we can pick apart | 21:57 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: ah yeah, i think we'll need to handle jogo's suggestion if we want this to be the foundation for the periodic/continuous dashboard (i do!) | 21:58 |
| andreaf | jogo: yes it make sense - if that's fine with you I'll put a link to an etherpad tomorrow and add the basic ideas for discussion I have in mind so folks can start commenting on that | 21:58 |
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| jhesketh | jeblair: yeah I haven't looked at it in a while | 21:59 |
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| jeblair | andreaf: to catch you up -- the general idea i chatted with jogo about was that the sql reporter for zuul would let zuul easily supply job names and info about them (latest result, %passing, etc), and we could use that to structure a page (this is where your session/brainstorming comes in), and that page may have graphite supply graphs of pass/fail over time | 22:01 |
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| jeblair | jhesketh: also, we'll probably need to use alembic at some point | 22:02 |
| andreaf | jeblair: thanks | 22:03 |
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| andreaf | jeblair: the subunit2sql db will allow us to go at test level as well, and it would be great to be able to click a failure so see the specific tests failed, get trends for them, see failures of specific tests across jobs | 22:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ramy Asselin proposed a change to openstack-infra/infra-specs: Update puppet module git subtree instructions https://review.openstack.org/129768 | 22:05 |
| jeblair | andreaf: yes indeed, we should figure out how these two relate | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | jeblair: it sounds like the zuul reporter stores similar data to the runs in subunit2sql, if we have a common key stored somewhere we could just use that | 22:06 |
| jeblair | nibalizer, ianw, yolanda: feel free to add to the agenda links to reviews that need priority related to the topics of the puppet module split or DIB in nodepool: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | jeblair: I have a patch in progress adding docs for the subunit2sql data model | 22:06 |
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| pleia2 | fungi: thanks for having your own bug day today :) | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | jeblair: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/07/129407/4/check/gate-subunit2sql-docs/a239ec7/doc/build/html/data_model.html | 22:08 |
| fungi | pleia2: just cleanup | 22:08 |
| pleia2 | fungi: good though! | 22:08 |
| jeblair | mtreinish: yeah, we should probably include the zuul build uuid in both tables, then we would have a very nice link. | 22:09 |
| andreaf | mtreinish, jeblair: what do we need from the zuul reported DB which we don't have in the subunit2sql one? | 22:09 |
| jeblair | mtreinish: i could see that as an "optional" field for subunit2sql, so it doesn't depend on it, but if it's there, we can join them | 22:09 |
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| mtreinish | jeblair: yeah, that should be there with the worker script. It get's dumped in the run metadata table | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | all the things which are fields in logstash (except for status) should be put in there as key value pairs | 22:11 |
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| mtreinish | I'm pretty sure the build uuid is one of them | 22:11 |
| jeblair | mtreinish: oh, we should make them columns. this is a relational db (unlike logstash) :) | 22:12 |
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| jeblair | i think both zuul and subunit2sql should pull in alembic and make changing the schema easy | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | jeblair: well I made the metadata tables that way because the idea was it was usage dependent | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | jeblair: subunit2sql already does | 22:13 |
| jeblair | ok cool | 22:13 |
| andreaf | jeblair, mtreinish: there is a test run ID, the rest is metadata now | 22:13 |
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| mtreinish | jeblair, andreaf: yeah that's what I was about to say is that we should add support to the subunit2sql command to specify the run id on the cli | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | then we can just use the zuul build uuid for the id | 22:14 |
| andreaf | +1 | 22:14 |
| jeblair | cool | 22:14 |
| andreaf | yes that would be useful - also it would be nice to have a way to know the version that was tested | 22:15 |
| andreaf | "version" == combinations of sha1s | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | jeblair: also I was thinking some more about the worker iptables rule, are you sure we don't need to add a rule to enable 3306 from the sql server? Because it's going to need traffic both ways to and from the server | 22:15 |
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| fungi | mtreinish: accepting inbound query connections from other machines? | 22:17 |
| jeblair | andreaf: that's tricky right now, but i actually want to change the way the timer trigger in zuul starts jobs. i'll think about that some more and see if i can figure out a way to get what you want. | 22:17 |
| jeblair | mtreinish: our inbound rules use connection tracking, so because it makes an outbound tcp connection, it knows to let in related traffic | 22:17 |
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| fungi | mtreinish: "traffic both ways" is irrelevant for stateful packet filters like iptables. you only need to worry about the direction in which the socket is initiated | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | jeblair: ah ok, yeah then it's fine | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | fungi: yeah it'll be outbound first | 22:18 |
| fungi | now, in the old stateless ipchains days, it was certainly a different story | 22:18 |
| ianw | jeblair: will do -- if you could look in on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131269/ (Add centos to list of alternative users for login) that would be good, as then i can confirm that we're building centos7 ok on hpcloud | 22:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed a change to openstack-infra/system-config: Add subunit2sql gearman workers https://review.openstack.org/108003 | 22:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed a change to openstack-infra/system-config: Add subunit2sql server configuration https://review.openstack.org/127060 | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | jeblair: ^^^ ok updated | 22:21 |
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| clarkb | ok walk and food acquired | 22:24 |
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| fungi | bbiab | 22:24 |
| clarkb | ianw: not again | 22:25 |
| clarkb | why do all the distros need a distro specific account | 22:25 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: I did not approve 131269 so that you can have a chance to see fungi's comment there | 22:27 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i have read fungi's comment and i approve of both it and the change! | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | heh, google play just installed an updated android wear on my phone. The changelog of which consisted of: "This update will restart your paired Android Wear device." (which it did) and nothing else. | 22:28 |
| jeblair | mtreinish: i'm sure that means everything is fine! | 22:29 |
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| clarkb | the are just testing their ability to root you | 22:29 |
| clarkb | nothing to see here | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | heh, yeah that's what I was thinking :) | 22:29 |
| jeblair | also, for some reason, that reminded me of my recent flight on a 787 where the entertainment system was rebooted because it was overheating. and the ex-usair (ex-piedmont!) pilot next to me said, "you don't really want to hear about things overheating when you're on a 787..." | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | lol, he's got a point | 22:30 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: how was the 787? | 22:31 |
| clarkb | was the higher cabin pressure noticeable? | 22:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/nodepool: Add centos to list of alternative users for login https://review.openstack.org/131269 | 22:31 |
| ianw | clarkb: yeah, it's a bummer, i wish i'd noticed before the image got done, it could probably have been changed to at least 'cloud-user' | 22:32 |
| mordred | jeblair: we still have a potential open infra slot? | 22:32 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i think so; at least the additional moisture seemed to have an effect (neither li or i felt like our noses were quite so dry). also, it dripped on us when we landed. | 22:33 |
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| jeblair | mordred: provisionally filled with a storyboard session | 22:33 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: I am going to push a change parented to afazekas_beer's change that does what you suggest | 22:34 |
| clarkb | jeblair: to see if it works via floating IPs | 22:35 |
| jeblair | clarkb: the lcd windows were cool, but overall i'd rate them neutral -- pro: flight attendants can make them all go dark remotely (so they aren't begging people to close them). con: flight attendants can lock them in the dark state so it's hard to see out. pro: they don't go fully opaque, so you can still see out when closed. con: they don't go fully opaque so especially on the sunward side, theres a bit of light still | 22:35 |
| clarkb | :) | 22:35 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i think the noise improvements helped (though some of those are being retrofitted on older planes) | 22:36 |
| jeblair | clarkb: looking out the window and seeing the wing swoop WAY THE HECK UP in flight is pretty neat :) | 22:36 |
| mordred | jeblair: well ... our old friend InVision has just popped up across my bow again- we might need to have a session on what we need to do to meet the needs of that community | 22:36 |
| jeblair | mordred: good, we have a storyboard session :) | 22:37 |
| mordred | jeblair: sure. I don't think that's going to communicate to the right people the topic "how can we help you not use invision" so that they show up | 22:37 |
| andreaf | jeblair, mtreinish, jogo, jhesketh: wip https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-summit-post-merge-qa-ci | 22:37 |
| jeblair | clarkb: but the best thing is actually that it makes it economical for the airline to operate a direct international flight to a second tier city | 22:37 |
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| mordred | jeblair: although maybe krotscheck can find all those people and make them show up to the storyboard session ... | 22:38 |
| jeblair | mordred: we can't help them not use it until someone adds that feature. | 22:38 |
| jeblair | mordred: all we can do is say that we think it's a first class use case and that we think effort should go into supporting it in storyboard. | 22:38 |
| jeblair | mordred: how has this come up? | 22:38 |
| krotscheck | yyyyep. | 22:38 |
| mordred | jeblair: I just got pinged by someone inside of HP who pointed me to invision as a place where UX people were talking about things | 22:39 |
| krotscheck | HP just got an enterprise InVision account explicitly to coordinate work with the community. | 22:39 |
| mordred | but by UX people, he meant OpenStack UX people | 22:39 |
| mordred | krotscheck: *headdesk* | 22:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Test nodepool provided addresses in aiopcpu setup https://review.openstack.org/131297 | 22:39 |
| mordred | krotscheck: that makes me CRAZY | 22:39 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ^ that should test it for us | 22:39 |
| clarkb | I am going to check experimental no | 22:39 |
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| * mordred runs aroud screaming and yelling | 22:39 | |
| * krotscheck ponders about how many people it’d take to build that functionality into StoryBoard... | 22:40 | |
| jeblair | mordred, krotscheck: yeah, i'm not going to support the use of a tool like that. we've had enough problems with those kinds of services. | 22:40 |
| jeblair | mordred, krotscheck: it's worth noting that there is still no official cross-project ux team. so all of that is happening outside of the auspices of the project. i don't think that's tenable long-term. | 22:41 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: i do not think it should be hard. | 22:41 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: I disagree. If we try to build it, we’ll be battling “Why can’t we just use Invision” people, and be continuously compared against them. | 22:42 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: that is, i do not think 'number of people required' is the right measure | 22:42 |
| krotscheck | With launchpad at least we have the ability to say that “It’s better than launchpad" | 22:43 |
| mordred | krotscheck: we've been doing that with github for years... it's not the point. the point is that invision is a closed source single vendor tool | 22:43 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: i think when we decided that the ux use case, specifically this one, was a first-class use-case for storyboard would have been the better time to raise that objection | 22:43 |
| mordred | which means we're locked in to them | 22:43 |
| reed | jeblair, that's what I recall too | 22:43 |
| jeblair | we've had closed-source single-vendor tools go crazy on us. it's not cool, and it's not something the project can support | 22:43 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so, we’re on the same page as far as open source vs. closed source is. | 22:43 |
| clarkb | jeblair ++ | 22:44 |
| krotscheck | I’m talking about the human factor. | 22:44 |
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| krotscheck | Especially since now we’ve got 6 months of “Yeah we gathered requirements but nothing really happened" | 22:44 |
| jeblair | so we need a repository that can host artifacts for the duration of our project, which quite frankly, i hope will outlive whatever ux startup of the day people want to use | 22:44 |
| reed | krotscheck, the human factor is harder to deal with, I agree with you | 22:44 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 22:44 |
| mordred | I do not think the human factor is as hard as you may think | 22:45 |
| krotscheck | We can only tell them “hey wait for storyboard it’ll be awesome”. | 22:45 |
| reed | it's not impossible though, it just require a lot of discipline and a plan of education/action | 22:45 |
| mordred | there is ALWAYS someone wanting a pet tol | 22:45 |
| krotscheck | for so long. | 22:45 |
| mordred | tool | 22:45 |
| mordred | engagement is step one | 22:45 |
| reed | krotscheck, do I remember correctly (as jeblair said) that the needs of the UX team were part of the plan for storyboard? | 22:45 |
| krotscheck | That is correct. | 22:45 |
| * krotscheck goes to look for the story. | 22:45 | |
| mordred | originally I was kind of hoping that this being a need for people would incite them to contribute to storyboard | 22:46 |
| mordred | rather than waiting for it to be delivered | 22:46 |
| jeblair | mordred: one person contributed mock-ups. that was nice. | 22:46 |
| krotscheck | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/85 | 22:46 |
| mordred | jeblair: it was! | 22:46 |
| krotscheck | mordred: It’s a community that doesn’t necessarily know how to code. | 22:46 |
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| mordred | krotscheck: employed by companies with money though | 22:47 |
| krotscheck | IC’s usually don’t have budgetary discretion. | 22:48 |
| krotscheck | (Individual Contributors) | 22:48 |
| krotscheck | Everything else is a hidden influencer thing. | 22:48 |
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| krotscheck | And, well, why would anyone contribute UX resources to StoryBoard if it’s not a thing yet? Or any kind of resource for that matter? | 22:48 |
| krotscheck | I mean, hell, I’m having a hard time justifying my own continued work on this project because nobody seems to care enough to contribute. | 22:49 |
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| krotscheck | (And when horizon looks interesting, you know there’s a problem) | 22:50 |
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| nibalizer | krotscheck: crinkle i think i got you https://github.com/puppetlabs/puppetlabs-rabbitmq/pull/251 | 22:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed a change to openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Add cli option to subunit2sql to specify run_id https://review.openstack.org/131298 | 22:53 |
| fungi | well poo... couldn't have asked for better weather, but mission control scrubbed the launch because there was a boat in the range and they couldn't get it clear before their window expired | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | jeblair, andreaf: ^^^ when that's ready and in a release we can use that to specify the zuul build uuid in subunit2sql | 22:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Brian Saville proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add MongoDB plugin support https://review.openstack.org/131299 | 22:54 |
| mordred | fungi: a boat? | 22:55 |
| jeblair | fungi: awww | 22:55 |
| fungi | mordred: you wouldn't think a *boat* would be in the way of a *rocket* but then again, this is virginia i guess... | 22:55 |
| mordred | fungi: oh. virgina. yeah. that explains everything | 22:55 |
| david-lyle | krotscheck, mordred: in the vacuum for an effective tool or location to place artifacts, someone proposed a stop gap. It's not a permanent solution or even a good one, but it beats post something on imgur or google+ or a corporate maintained instance of askbot. | 22:55 |
| mordred | fungi: isn't virginia for lovers? | 22:56 |
| david-lyle | those have all been the solutions up to this point | 22:56 |
| fungi | they only had roughly an extra 10 minutes in the launch window, and i guess it was a "slow boat" | 22:56 |
| david-lyle | all were a mess | 22:56 |
| david-lyle | I don't like the solution, but it beats (shrug) as an answer | 22:56 |
| mordred | david-lyle: what if we gave the UX team an AFS volume on our shiny new AFS cell? | 22:57 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | when I've finished re-writing horizon I promise to help write storyboard, ok? :) | 22:57 |
| fungi | mordred: i'm guessing they'll want some sort of front-end to upload to, organize within and serve from it | 22:57 |
| david-lyle | mordred: a reliable storage location is great for storage | 22:58 |
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| jeblair | r1chardj0n3s: how can i convince you to reverse your priorities! :) | 22:58 |
| krotscheck | r1chardj0n3s: hah. Yeah, lmk if you want to use my toolchain. | 22:58 |
| david-lyle | and we/they would gladly jump on that | 22:58 |
| mordred | fungi: why? why can't they just use AFS client | 22:58 |
| mordred | david-lyle: let us noodle on specifics ... we _may_ just have a thing that's worth at least trying | 22:58 |
| david-lyle | the part that's lacking is a review tool | 22:58 |
| r1chardj0n3s | krotscheck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ko8N_A4jkY is a short (7 min) vid about where I'm at with the horizon replacement, if you're curious | 22:58 |
| mordred | yah. that I get | 22:58 |
| mordred | and I have no short-term ideas on that | 22:59 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | krotscheck: it talks a bit about the toolchain I've used | 22:59 |
| fungi | mordred: meh... i guess? got the impression the ux group were more a graphically-oriented bunch | 22:59 |
| david-lyle | what was proposed was a stop gap | 22:59 |
| mordred | fungi: OSX has AFS bindings - they can use finder ... what's more graphical than that? | 22:59 |
| krotscheck | r1chardj0n3s: Seems legit | 22:59 |
| mordred | r1chardj0n3s: any chance there is a tl;dr that doesn't invovle me watching a video? | 22:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Brian Saville proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add MongoDB plugin support https://review.openstack.org/131301 | 23:00 |
| fungi | mordred: oof, score one for nextstep^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hos x | 23:00 |
| mordred | I'd like to know more of what you speak - but I am not in a place where watching videos is an option | 23:00 |
| krotscheck | mordred: How bitg is the barrier to install all the things you are proposing to someone who’s never written a line of code in their life? | 23:00 |
| david-lyle | mordred: convert horizon to angular, jettison the horizon part | 23:00 |
| r1chardj0n3s | mordred: what david-lyle said, yeah. if 7 minutes is too long, you can skip the second half which is just a quick demo ;) | 23:01 |
| clarkb | both of my aiopcpu tests ended up on rax nodes (which is good we can confirm that it just works there) | 23:01 |
| clarkb | then I will recheck and try to get hpcloud nodes next time since they nat | 23:01 |
| mordred | r1chardj0n3s: it's not length - it's that I'm in a public location and usually prefer reading text | 23:01 |
| mordred | r1chardj0n3s: but I support what david-lyle said | 23:01 |
| krotscheck | mordred: In fact, assume that the only input device you have to install these tools is a mouse. No keyboard. Just a mouse, and a monitor, running windows. That’s the bar we have to hit. | 23:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Ramy Asselin proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Add puppet-jenkins as split out module https://review.openstack.org/131302 | 23:01 |
| clarkb | krotscheck: its not too big of a barrier until you get to the auth bits | 23:01 |
| r1chardj0n3s | mordred: I figured that was a possibility :) | 23:01 |
| clarkb | krotscheck: wait no keyboard at all? | 23:02 |
| mordred | krotscheck: yes. understood. | 23:02 |
| clarkb | and windows? | 23:02 |
| krotscheck | clarkb: Yep. | 23:02 |
| * clarkb goes back to devstack-gate | 23:02 | |
| mordred | I _know_ that windows and osx are both supported | 23:02 |
| mordred | I have not installed yet | 23:02 |
| mordred | so I cannot speak to that | 23:02 |
| mordred | but in general, it's actually even easy to install on linux | 23:02 |
| clarkb | well you can't auth to kerberos with no keyboard | 23:02 |
| mordred | so I'm guessing it's not rocket science | 23:02 |
| mordred | keyboard is required for typing in passwords | 23:02 |
| mordred | I'm not willing to budge on that :) | 23:02 |
| jeblair | pretty sure invision has usernames that people have typed in. at least, they appear not to have been finger-painted. | 23:03 |
| mordred | clarkb: I believe krotscheck was talking about people who need to be able to install something without typing commands | 23:03 |
| krotscheck | Ok, I’ll give you one use of the keyboard for a password. And assume that there’s a runnig copy of Outlook with which you can send the person links and attachments. | 23:03 |
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| krotscheck | Really my point is that we’re talking to people for whom the tool has to “just work”. | 23:03 |
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| mordred | the _actual_ barrier to using AFS directly will be people behind evil firewalls | 23:03 |
| mordred | it will not be the windows install | 23:04 |
| nibalizer | krotscheck: what about a mouse and a kineckt? | 23:05 |
| asselin | nibalizer, you around?I have questions about this step: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/infra-specs/tree/specs/puppet-modules.rst#n83 | 23:05 |
| nibalizer | is that something we can assume | 23:05 |
| nibalizer | asselin: sure, shoot | 23:05 |
| krotscheck | nibalizer: If you can install kerberos via interpretive dance, more power to you! | 23:05 |
| clarkb | mordred: oh right because it is all evil udp traffic | 23:05 |
| asselin | nibalizer, does the file still exist? | 23:05 |
| nibalizer | mordred: jeblair your afs cell is quite speedy from derpy coffee shop wifi, i am pleased to report | 23:05 |
| mordred | nibalizer: WOOT | 23:06 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: it was not speedy from home. I wonder what I an do to make that better | 23:06 |
| fungi | nibalizer: it's powered by caffeine so that makes perfect sense | 23:06 |
| clarkb | mordred: I tried `ls` in the pypi mirror simple/ dir | 23:06 |
| krotscheck | For that matter, let’s just install everything via interpretive dance. | 23:06 |
| clarkb | mordred: I ^C'd after about 5 minutes | 23:06 |
| nibalizer | krotscheck: when the normal things don't work(kerberos,) we fall back to dancing | 23:06 |
| krotscheck | puppet module install openstack/shimmy | 23:06 |
| jeblair | clarkb: that directory is gone now. also, do you know if you were on the rw or ro volume? | 23:06 |
| mordred | clarkb: known bug | 23:06 |
| mordred | clarkb: jeblair has been working on it | 23:07 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I was on ro volume at the time | 23:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Brian Saville proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add strings-match conditional step https://review.openstack.org/131303 | 23:07 |
| clarkb | ok aiopcpu works with rax public IPs | 23:07 |
| nibalizer | asselin: no | 23:07 |
| clarkb | will recheck later when all the jobs come back | 23:07 |
| nibalizer | its modules.env i think now | 23:07 |
| nibalizer | ya, modules.env | 23:08 |
| nibalizer | you can propose a change to that spec or i can | 23:08 |
| * nibalizer just does it | 23:08 | |
| morganfainberg | oh right summit session on AFS goodness. | 23:08 |
| asselin | nibalizer, I have one open already. I can just add to it.... | 23:08 |
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| nibalizer | okay punch it | 23:09 |
| morganfainberg | mordred, AFS... and FreeIPA... it's like we have real support for things | 23:09 |
| morganfainberg | mordred, and stuff | 23:09 |
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| anteaya | pleia2: thanks | 23:12 |
| anteaya | koolhead17: now and again, how can I help? | 23:12 |
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| koolhead17 | anteaya: had confusion in blueprint definition | 23:12 |
| koolhead17 | :) | 23:12 |
| koolhead17 | got it clarified jogo helped | 23:13 |
| anteaya | did jeblair and jogo help you out | 23:13 |
| anteaya | awesome | 23:13 |
| anteaya | glad you got what you needed | 23:13 |
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| anteaya | jogo was probably more help than I could have been anyway | 23:13 |
| anteaya | :D | 23:13 |
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| fungi | interesting... freeipa consumes openid to authenticate as well... even in their demo site: http://www.freeipa.org/index.php?title=Special:OpenIDLogin&returnto=Demo | 23:14 |
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| jeblair | yeah, we could freeipa. we didn't this time because it seemed easier to just set up a krb realm for our test/eval, but i don't see why we couldn't if we decided we wanted the rest of freeipa | 23:16 |
| koolhead17 | anteaya: i wanted to re confirm few things :D | 23:16 |
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| asselin | Is there an infra-core member willing to sheperd my patches to pull out puppet-jenkins from system-config to it's own repo? | 23:17 |
| clarkb | anteaya: I am sending rsponse to the multi account question asker now | 23:17 |
| clarkb | anteaya: maybe you want ot make sure I didn't say anything too terribly wrong | 23:18 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: that is an awesome response, thank you | 23:22 |
| anteaya | clarkb: you are so much nicer than I could manage right now | 23:22 |
| anteaya | :D | 23:22 |
| anteaya | clarkb: thanks, I'm grateful | 23:22 |
| clarkb | great thank you for looking | 23:22 |
| anteaya | thanks so much for replying | 23:22 |
| clarkb | anteaya: if you have a minute does the group based policy request look good to you? | 23:23 |
| crinkle | nibalizer: krotscheck: so unit tests don't pass on https://github.com/puppetlabs/puppetlabs-rabbitmq/pull/251 :( | 23:24 |
| clarkb | the triniplex request looks like it needs more info on what they are testing | 23:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ramy Asselin proposed a change to openstack-infra/infra-specs: Update puppet module git subtree instructions https://review.openstack.org/129768 | 23:24 |
| clarkb | jeblair: both nova network and neutron were happy with nodepool provided IPs during the aiopcpu test. Both tests ran on rax nodes | 23:25 |
| clarkb | jeblair: so that is promising | 23:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Ramy Asselin proposed a change to openstack-infra/system-config: Split out jenkins module https://review.openstack.org/131305 | 23:26 |
| nibalizer | crinkle: wow so much red, but we can take this to #puppet-dev | 23:26 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: the problem I have with the group based policy is the same problem I have with all the stackforge requests | 23:27 |
| anteaya | which mordred said he would address and as far as I can tell has not yet | 23:27 |
| anteaya | which is that they want a format of stackforgeprojectname ci | 23:27 |
| anteaya | with was not what we agreed in germany | 23:27 |
| ianw | clarkb: http://nodepool.openstack.org/image.log <- hpcloud-b1.devstack-centos7 still seems to be looping with this login issue? | 23:28 |
| clarkb | ianw: we have to restart nodepool | 23:28 |
| clarkb | anteaya: oh right | 23:29 |
| clarkb | mordred: ^% | 23:29 |
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| fungi | launch rescheduled to 22:22 utc tomorrow. hopefully we still get clear skies here | 23:31 |
| reed | nice, the Oracle folks talking about how to get their patches in trunk | 23:33 |
| fungi | ooh! | 23:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Added Vagrant VM for development purposes. https://review.openstack.org/131306 | 23:34 |
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| reed | fungi, yeah and they chimed in exactly where I expected them to (on the FreeBSD thread) :) The question raised is not trivial | 23:37 |
| fungi | reed: right, i was waiting for one of the devstack cores to chime in there | 23:38 |
| mordred | reed: is the question opensolaris based? | 23:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Add openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci_apache https://review.openstack.org/129496 | 23:39 |
| clarkb | mordred: no which makes it even harder | 23:39 |
| clarkb | beacuse how do we test devstack on solaris? | 23:39 |
| reed | mordred, is opensolaris still a thing? | 23:39 |
| clarkb | we can test it on freebsd | 23:39 |
| fungi | mordred: it's "boo hoo devstack refuses to support running on a proprietary operating system" | 23:39 |
| mordred | yup. I think that's a feature | 23:39 |
| fungi | (from the oracle crowd) | 23:39 |
| reed | how does microsoft do it? | 23:40 |
| mordred | maybe they shouldn't have killed opensolaris | 23:40 |
| fungi | for freebsd, i totally think we should if there's software to test and people are willing to put in the time to get it working | 23:40 |
| mordred | reed: lots of work by primeministerp | 23:40 |
| ianw | anteaya: have the explanations on https://review.openstack.org/129496 (Add openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci_apache) managed to sway you? | 23:40 |
| mordred | fungi: ++ | 23:40 |
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| reed | mordred, right, meaning that it's possible to test openstack on a non-free OS | 23:41 |
| clarkb | reed: yes but not with devstack | 23:41 |
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| reed | and without having to touch devstack necessarily | 23:41 |
| mordred | yes | 23:42 |
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| clarkb | ugh the multi node envs keep going to rax | 23:42 |
| reed | :) so if Oracle wants to help modify and maintain devstack for FreeBSD testing since that would be beneficial for them, that'd be cool, right? | 23:42 |
| mordred | yup | 23:42 |
| fungi | and they also alluded to it in their ml reply on that thread, e.g. "cloning" devstack functionality on other operating systems | 23:42 |
| reed | or fork, create something else that works as well (just like MSFT did) | 23:43 |
| clarkb | I need to test hpcloud... nodepool is configured to source those nodes from hp and rax so I guess I just need more patience | 23:43 |
| fungi | well, it looked more like oracle wanted to point out that the problem suffered by freebsd (devstack currently only working on linux distros) was biting them too. i missed where they offered to help with the freebsd use case, if they did | 23:43 |
| reed | fungi, I was thinking about giving them some suggestions | 23:44 |
| fungi | reed: aha | 23:44 |
| fungi | and yes, they were hijacking that thread | 23:44 |
| reed | right, let's put it back in track :) | 23:45 |
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| clarkb | we could test on openindiana | 23:46 |
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| nibalizer | clarkb: oh yess please this | 23:47 |
| mordred | devstack also doesn't work on osx | 23:47 |
| clarkb | is it still developed? looks like the last time they said anything was over a year ago | 23:47 |
| mordred | I think that has more users | 23:47 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: we could ask the nexenta people what the story with that is i think | 23:47 |
| clarkb | mordred: does OS X run any hypervisors that nova can talk to? /me imagines that lack of functionality is probably at least partially to blame | 23:48 |
| mordred | virtual box?? | 23:48 |
| clarkb | does nova do virtualbox? | 23:48 |
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| reed | parallels? | 23:49 |
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| * nibalizer whispers vmware | 23:55 | |
| fungi | you can run vmware on osx really? | 23:55 |
| jeblair | clarkb: you could 'nodepool delete' rax multinodes until you get some hp ones | 23:56 |
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| fungi | stack the deck with them, not a terrible idea | 23:56 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: maybe you could even 'nodepool hold' them, to increase the chance that hp will resupply (then delete before use); not positive that will work | 23:57 |
| clarkb | jeblair: yup I might have just deleted the first one :) | 23:57 |
| fungi | for that matter, if there are some ready in hpcloud, just delete the rax ones and then recheck while the new ones are building, at which point only hpcloud multinodes will be there to pick up the work request | 23:57 |
| clarkb | we have a min ready of 1 so I don't think I need too much fancy | 23:58 |
| clarkb | just cycle until hpcloud services the request | 23:58 |
| fungi | oh, well yeah in that case it's just a crap shoot until you get one to stick | 23:58 |
| clarkb | ya | 23:59 |
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