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| krotscheck | Anyone here familiar with smtplib? I’m trying to figure out if I should create a single connection and use it to send multiple emails, or reopen with every send. | 00:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/storyboard: Added email sender and configuration. https://review.openstack.org/149792 | 00:27 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: single connection is better practice in smtp in general, so i'd go with that | 00:30 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: you should expect it to time out after being idle for not very long (maybe 30 seconds) though | 00:31 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Got it. That means I have to learn more about the protocol handshakes to proof the connection before I send things. | 00:31 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: so you should generally send whatever you have pending, ready to go in one connection, then probably drop it when you drain your queue | 00:31 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: this is cron'd, right? so it might make sense to do one conn per "cron" invocation? | 00:32 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: Yep. Each cron invocation is going to get itself a list of outstanding emails, send them, and then exit | 00:32 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: sounds like a good match then | 00:32 |
| krotscheck | So yeah, one per makes sense. | 00:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/storyboard: Added email sender and configuration. https://review.openstack.org/149792 | 00:34 |
| krotscheck | There, that makes more sense. | 00:34 |
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| harlowja | can we get some eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145526/ | 01:34 |
| harlowja | would be nice to unblock https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144786/ | 01:34 |
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| cody-somerville | Hey. What would cause a job not to get deployed after a slave comes back online with the right label? | 01:59 |
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| cody-somerville | ah, fixed it by restarting the agent on the slave. | 02:24 |
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| waynr | anteaya: yesterday you mentioned openstack's mandate to work with open source tools, would a patch that integrates github with zuul would be rejected based on this mandate? | 09:09 |
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| bookwar | i get this 'error: error: invalid protocol: wanted 'old new ref'" on git review command - is it that my git-review version 1.24 is too old? | 10:33 |
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| tchaypo | #tripleo used to have a bot that looked up the titles of bugs and reviews that we linked. I think it’s uvirtbot | 11:23 |
| tchaypo | but it seems to have gone on holiday and now I’m lonely | 11:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | fumihiko kakuma proposed openstack-infra/devstack-gate: post_test_hook is not executed when the gate test returns an error https://review.openstack.org/148863 | 13:20 |
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| fungi | waynr: giving our tools the option to support non-free systems, while not something a lot of us are particularly keen to spend much time on, is entirely a different matter from forcing use of non-free tools to be able to participate in official openstack contribution. we've discussed the potential for bitbucket/github triggers in zuul before and i don't think we would turn that feature away purely on | 15:08 |
| fungi | those grounds | 15:08 |
| fungi | however, we probably wouldn't turn it on for our production zuul instance | 15:09 |
| fungi | (where "probably" means i would be strongly against doing so at least) | 15:09 |
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| fungi | but, say, enabling organizations to run their own zuul even though they have some commercial/proprietary code review system seems fine, as long as we (the openstack community) don't have to use it | 15:11 |
| fungi | i'm not really that keen on the fact that we mirror content to github from our production systems | 15:13 |
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| waynr | fungi: cool, glad to hear it :) | 17:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Obtain stress arguments from the enviroment https://review.openstack.org/131186 | 18:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Adding support for DEVSTACK_GATE_LIBVIRT_TYPE https://review.openstack.org/134348 | 18:24 |
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| anteaya | waynr: fungi gave a more complete answer than I could have given though I would have been standing in the same postion to respond to your question | 18:34 |
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| anteaya | waynr: in your documentation, making our position on the use of such a trigger clear to any user may mitigate future misunderstandings of our position | 18:36 |
| anteaya | waynr: in as much as it manages expectations early rather than setting unrealistic expectations which we then have to clarify ourselves | 18:36 |
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| anteaya | to be honest I am surprised at the amount of time we do have to spend managing unrealistic expectations, but, there it is | 18:37 |
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| gothicmindfood | whois waynr | 19:11 |
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| gothicmindfood | ha. could've asked freenode that instead (which was what I meant to do) :) | 19:11 |
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| gothicmindfood | (incidentally: yay finland) :) | 19:11 |
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| waynr | whois waynr indeed! | 19:17 |
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| fungi | dstufft: i applaud the new strictness on pypi (per your posts to distutils-sig just now). did those adjustments include solving the name_with_underscore regression which stemmed from the name-with-hyphen fix? | 19:28 |
| dstufft | fungi: not yet | 19:28 |
| dstufft | it's on my stack to do today | 19:28 |
| fungi | dstufft: okay, not trying to rush you, just checking whether i can retry our failing upload yet. thanks for keeping it on the pile! | 19:29 |
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| AJaeger | fungi, now we have a permissions problem with spec.openstack.org: https://jenkins05.openstack.org/job/publish-specs-site/7/console | 19:58 |
| fungi | heh | 19:58 |
| AJaeger | fungi, no need to fix it today, enjoy the weekend! | 19:59 |
| fungi | AJaeger: it looks like the file is 0444 perms | 19:59 |
| openstackgerrit | James Polley proposed stackforge/gertty: Add detailed examples and dashboards a la gerrit https://review.openstack.org/142108 | 19:59 |
| fungi | AJaeger: uploaded more than a month ago, so not due to this job | 19:59 |
| AJaeger | yeah, has 0444 according to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141175/3/modules/openstack_project/manifests/static.pp | 20:00 |
| fungi | AJaeger: agreed, fix on the way | 20:00 |
| AJaeger | So, should be fixed once 141175 goes in and an admin removes the file manually | 20:00 |
| fungi | AJaeger: well, if we change it to 0644 in the current manifest, then we can upload over top of it with that job, no problem (puppet will keep reverting the content until 141175 lands, but...) | 20:01 |
| fungi | AJaeger: alternatively, i can just approve that change now and then clean things up | 20:01 |
| fungi | i think i like your suggestion better. less work for me ;) | 20:02 |
| AJaeger | changing it to 0644 means we have to rebase 141175 | 20:02 |
| fungi | zactly | 20:02 |
| AJaeger | I'll sign off again - have a great weekend, fungi! | 20:04 |
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| dstufft | fungi: what was the name of the project that was failing to upload? | 20:46 |
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| fungi | dstufft: django_openstack_auth | 20:47 |
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| dstufft | fungi: things_named_like_this should work now /cc sigmavirus24_awa | 21:08 |
| fungi | dstufft: thank you! retesting that momentarily and i'll let you know how it goes | 21:09 |
| dstufft | no problem | 21:10 |
| dstufft | Last night and Today were big PyPI days, Got a Filesystem abstraction added to PyPI so we can move from local FS to S3, switched to using a library to render, PEP 440 support, fixed that, something else I'm forgetting too | 21:11 |
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| fungi | dstufft: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/django_openstack_auth isn't reflecting 1.1.8 yet (guessing cdn latency) but the uploads seemed to work http://logs.openstack.org/50/50e001401763070861ca41634d992aaa7682b963/release/django_openstack_auth-pypi-both-upload/29abd81,3/console.html | 21:12 |
| dstufft | yea we don't purge those | 21:12 |
| dstufft | they only cache for 5 minutes or so | 21:12 |
| dstufft | hm | 21:13 |
| dstufft | w t f | 21:14 |
| cody-somerville | dstufft: to S3?? :P | 21:14 |
| dstufft | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-openstack-auth | 21:14 |
| fungi | how... interesting | 21:14 |
| dstufft | cody-somerville: yea, last time I tried swift it did not handle having several hundred thousand objects in one bucket | 21:15 |
| fungi | i guess the normalization is a little bit more aggressive now | 21:15 |
| jroll | dstufft: shard it? | 21:15 |
| dstufft | fungi: that should not even be possible to have both of those things in there I think | 21:16 |
| fungi | dstufft: wondering if the underscore version is still in the cdn cache and the hyphen version is the only one pypi is actually hosting? | 21:16 |
| cody-somerville | dstufft: Who pays for the S3 by the way? | 21:17 |
| dstufft | cody-somerville: nobody right now, I haven't actually done it yet, I just added the abstraction so we _can_ do it. Figuring out the logisitics of the rest of it is next | 21:18 |
| dstufft | fungi: nah, I purged it. I'm looking into it now | 21:18 |
| cody-somerville | dstufft: I could help you out if you wanted to reconsider using swift. | 21:18 |
| cody-somerville | dstufft: In fact, I can probably have some people help fix your problem with swift | 21:18 |
| fungi | cody-somerville: given he works at rackspace, i suspect getting them to donate object storage to psf is pretty straightforward (if not already done) | 21:20 |
| fungi | i know a lot of the other python infrastructure is living in rackspace already | 21:20 |
| cody-somerville | Rackspace doesn't have to bear that cost alone. HP is a PSF sponsor as well. :) | 21:21 |
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| fungi | all very true! | 21:23 |
| dstufft | cody-somerville: heh, thanks :) We'll see. It's been awhile since I did try swift so perhaps I'll give it a try. As far as cost, If I recall Rackspace donated 5k/month credit to the PSF and I think we're bumping up against that now, though we have 600-1000 worth of servers we can get rid of if we finish migrating some of PyPI's stuff onto the "shared" stuff | 21:26 |
| dstufft | (We more or less have two distinct infras running, PyPI and PSF on the same Rackspace account, so we have duplicates of like DB servers and such) | 21:26 |
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| dstufft | something like swift would be a good candidate for other people to provide, servers is harder because currently we're all in one DC and using a private network between them, not insurmountable but adding another DC (even a racksapce DC) comes with some effort just to make us multi DC capable | 21:27 |
| * cody-somerville nods. | 21:28 | |
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| dstufft | we're using some dreamhost object store currently to store archival logs, mostly because it had the S3 compat API and Fastly can't (or didn't at the time, not sure now) ship to Swift | 21:29 |
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| dstufft | fungi: two question, can I manually delete django-openstack-auth 1.1.8 (as in, is it ok if I use my admin bit to do that) and if i do that, can you retrigger the upload after I do it? | 21:36 |
| fungi | dstufft: yes on both | 21:38 |
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| fungi | just let me know when you're ready | 21:42 |
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| dstufft | fungi: ok, try to reupload | 21:45 |
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| fungi | dstufft: should be there now | 21:48 |
| dstufft | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/django_openstack_auth | 21:48 |
| fungi | yep, seems to have worked | 21:48 |
| fungi | thanks again as always, dstufft! | 21:48 |
| dstufft | here's hoping I didn't break the mirrors with that mistake | 21:48 |
| fungi | i'll check them to see if that shows up in a minute | 21:49 |
| dstufft | PyPI has the worst schema ever | 21:49 |
| dstufft | :/ | 21:49 |
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| fungi | good news everyone! | 21:57 |
| fungi | it worked | 21:57 |
| fungi | http://pypi.dfw.openstack.org/simple/django_openstack_auth/ | 21:57 |
| fungi | however we also seem to have http://pypi.dfw.openstack.org/simple/django-openstack-auth/ because i guess there was no delete for it | 21:57 |
| fungi | so... i'll force resync the mirrors i guess | 21:57 |
| dstufft | it does that anyways | 21:58 |
| dstufft | has both | 21:58 |
| dstufft | pip 6.0+ normalizes the url it looks for | 21:58 |
| fungi | oh! nevermind | 21:58 |
| dstufft | so it always looks for simple/django-openstack-auth/ | 21:58 |
| fungi | keen, so looks like we're all set | 21:58 |
| dstufft | so bandersnatch provides that... but older pips didn't do that, so it also provides the _real_ name for those older ones | 21:58 |
| fungi | got it | 21:58 |
| dstufft | cool | 21:59 |
| dstufft | glad it's fixed | 21:59 |
| fungi | okay, i'll try to keep one eye on our jobs just in case this broke something which i haven't noticed yet, but should be fine now | 21:59 |
| dstufft | now to figure out if I feel like trying to make a federated auth provider for the psf or not | 21:59 |
| fungi | we have an implementation of one in php if you want it. don't, you know, pretend you're not excited by the idea of php | 22:00 |
| dstufft | what protocol is it? OpenID? | 22:00 |
| fungi | and oauth2 | 22:01 |
| fungi | also not very clearly documented at the moment, but running at openstackid.org and openstackid-dev.openstack.org if you want to see it running | 22:01 |
| fungi | the backend is kinda custom though since it was designed to integrate with the database used by the silverstripe cms used for the www.openstack.org website | 22:02 |
| fungi | so, er, would probably need some hacking. but if you want to look at the code it's at https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/openstackid | 22:02 |
| dstufft | cool | 22:03 |
| dstufft | I've written an OpenID provider before in Python, but it wasn't very good | 22:03 |
| dstufft | I half wonder if hijacking persona with "fake" email addresses would be a sane thing to do or not | 22:04 |
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| lifeless | dstufft: if you own the domain, its fine | 22:22 |
| lifeless | dstufft: if its a legitimte email someone else might have.... not so fine | 22:22 |
| lifeless | dstufft: also FWIW we need less IdP's not more | 22:23 |
| lifeless | dstufft: IMO its a massive fail that openstack foundation has one. | 22:23 |
| dstufft | this isn't a random IdP for just anyone to use, I want to consildate www.python.org, pypi, etc into one auth service that all the PSF stuff consumes | 22:24 |
| fungi | which was the same reason the openstack foundation decided to go that route | 22:26 |
| dstufft | I think the idea of letting random websites own your authentication is a more or less failed idea :/ PyPI supports openid, very few people use it, and 2/3 of the top 3 providers are gone now | 22:28 |
| fungi | right now we have numerous systems which need authenticated interaction, and letting people identify with random providers means 1) we can't necessarily trust the source of the id and 2) we can't easily map up id between systems which need it since some people may use a different provider on different systems | 22:28 |
| fungi | having an idp was seen as a means to get single sign-on like behavior, even across some software which lacked support for anything besides idp protocols | 22:29 |
| dstufft | yea | 22:29 |
| dstufft | that | 22:29 |
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| fungi | and to be able to share a common backend with other software which lacked any idp support | 22:29 |
| fungi | (in this case a mysql database at the moment) | 22:30 |
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| Majmun | sorry i just need to see yt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv_ChWx1zn0 Please :) | 22:42 |
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