jeblair | Krinkle: one of the things i'm _really_ excited about is the possibility that when we run our own infra-cloud, we can point this system at our production logs and automatically see how often we see the same bugs in production | 00:00 |
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jeblair | clarkb, mordred: the 5s delay seems to be working as intended | 00:10 |
clarkb | woot | 00:11 |
jeblair | at least, things are still functioning. we'll have to keep an eye out for whether it fixes the 'depends on a change that failed to merge' errors in check | 00:11 |
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mordred | jeblair: woot | 01:18 |
mordred | timrc: your graphs are looking better ... you may have better luck replacing b1 and b2 and whatnot with just one that has a * | 01:18 |
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mordred | unless you explicitly want to see our fake cloud segregations | 01:18 |
clarkb | they may be useful as they are on different networks and routers | 01:19 |
clarkb | and azs | 01:19 |
timrc | mordred, I'm not sure I want to stick with cubism. That's what's rendering those now. | 01:19 |
timrc | I'm also trying to decide if side-by-side is useful or one large plot with multiple datapoints on it. | 01:19 |
timrc | mordred, I only used those two for now because they align much better in terms of tasks than a hpcloud and rax. | 01:19 |
mordred | clarkb: in general I agree- although I believe our current problems are all database related | 01:20 |
mordred | :) | 01:20 |
clarkb | ya not sure if useful but there are differences | 01:20 |
mordred | ++ | 01:20 |
timrc | These graphs are kind of small... ideally you can sort of see trends, but that's about it. | 01:20 |
mordred | I think it's useful to see separate but also combined | 01:20 |
mordred | yah | 01:20 |
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timrc | The coloring can supposedly identify anomalies... | 01:21 |
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timrc | The other thing I've thought about is pairing say CreateServer and DeleteServer, one being positive, and the other being negative, graphing together. | 01:21 |
timrc | But I am not sure that's insightful without looking at all the other associated tasks. | 01:22 |
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cody-somerville | timrc: Staking CreateServer and DeleteServer probably isn't useful. Stacking all the tasks needed to bring a node online or to dispose of it though would be. | 01:42 |
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fungi | well, and stacking all of those together does give us the amount of time that slice of our quota is occupied by overhead states and thus unavailable for running jobs | 01:44 |
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fungi | though i guess this is just analyzing the amount of time it took to return from the api call, not the amount of time spent waiting for that call to go into effect? | 01:47 |
cody-somerville | aye. | 01:47 |
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fungi | so, yeah, i guess we could still benefit from an aggregate "this is how much time was spent waiting on responses from api calls" | 01:48 |
mordred | indeed - like - since EVERYTHING takes longer ... you can tell that the aggregate cost of teh 5 extra api calls dealing with floating ips takes adds up | 01:49 |
mordred | if floating ip calls took sub-second like they should | 01:49 |
mordred | then having 5 more of them would be meh | 01:49 |
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timrc | This kind of "stacking" can also identify patterns, but how useful this particular pattern is... http://15.125.65.125/ | 02:05 |
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timrc | Playing around with grafana. Pretty nice graph / dashboard builder. | 04:45 |
timrc | http://15.125.65.125/dashboard/db/nodepool-performance | 04:45 |
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Krinkle | timrc: Is that from the Kibana folks? | 04:54 |
timrc | Krinkle, grafana? I actually do not know... | 04:55 |
timrc | Krinkle, cody-somerville pointed me at it and I decided to play around with it. | 04:55 |
Krinkle | it looks virtually identical (in a good way) | 04:55 |
Krinkle | Ah, it is | 04:55 |
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Krinkle | People wanted Kibana (often used for Logstash/elasticsearch) to support Graphite and instead a clone was created. | 04:55 |
Krinkle | Grafana | 04:55 |
Krinkle | awesome | 04:55 |
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Krinkle | Kibana 3+ that is | 04:57 |
Krinkle | It seems openstack is using an older version at logstash.openstack.org | 04:57 |
Krinkle | KIbana 3 demo: http://demo.packetbeat.com/# | 04:58 |
timrc | Krinkle, It's pretty nice. Super easy to at metrics and what not. | 05:00 |
timrc | They did a good job. | 05:00 |
timrc | add* | 05:00 |
mordred | timrc: oh - that's pretty | 05:02 |
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Krinkle | Yeah, I love it. It provides the data that feels like it's right there, accessible in any way you want. Removes the barrier of complex graphite queries and static images. | 05:03 |
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timrc | mordred, Not a good sign when you need to use a log scale to show rax v. hpcloud CreateServerTask timings :) | 05:04 |
mordred | timrc: :) | 05:04 |
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timrc | I'm going to make sure we get these metrics downstream inside of HP... but I'm scared to see what those graphs actually look like. | 05:05 |
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mordred | timrc: just so you know, I've been sharing info up the various chains - so let me know when you're ok with me sharing that link with people | 05:13 |
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timrc | mordred, Okay. I'm going to give it a proper hostname, but I don't think it's going anywhere. | 05:16 |
timrc | mordred, I don't know what it takes to get a new project into openstack-infra, but if this is something people want, I'd be happy to do the work to make it happen. | 05:17 |
timrc | It's stupid simple to get grafana up and running. | 05:18 |
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timrc | mordred, I'll keep this running... DNS propagation may be broken still, but this works for me: http://grafana.busywait.com/dashboard/db/nodepool-performance | 05:31 |
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nibalizer | mmm shiny graph | 05:36 |
nibalizer | om nom nom | 05:36 |
mordred | timrc: it seems to be offering me the options to do lots of things ... | 05:36 |
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nibalizer | much datas | 05:36 |
mordred | timrc: do those persist for other people? | 05:36 |
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timrc | mordred, No, you can view, but not save. | 05:36 |
nibalizer | no you can | 05:37 |
nibalizer | if you do the share dashboard | 05:37 |
nibalizer | it makes a link | 05:37 |
nibalizer | http://grafana.busywait.com/dashboard/db/nodepool-performance?from=1428090202481&to=1428105958645 | 05:37 |
nibalizer | you can also 'save' them in ES if tim has that turned on | 05:37 |
mordred | yah - but i'm not going to be editing something accidentially | 05:37 |
timrc | I believe I turned on only anonymous viewing of the nodepool-performance dash... so while you can manipulate things in your browser, those should not persist. | 05:38 |
timrc | Or at least, that was my understanding :) | 05:38 |
cody-somerville | meow. | 05:39 |
timrc | Check out http://grafana.org/blog/2015/03/30/Grafana-2-Beta1.html -- User & Organization permissions | 05:40 |
cody-somerville | Jebus. How do I give these guys my money? Their stuff is hot. | 05:41 |
nibalizer | cody-somerville: srsly | 05:42 |
nibalizer | when he showed it off at monitorama last year everyone was like 'SHUT UP QUIT JOB TAKE MONEY' | 05:42 |
timrc | mordred, I can give you an account with an Editor role if you'd like. | 05:44 |
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timrc | cody-somerville, They might want to rewrite everything in Go :) | 05:45 |
cody-somerville | Maybe we should. You know, pull a juju. | 05:45 |
mordred | because that was successful | 05:48 |
* mordred looks at the masses of happy juju users sabdfl keeps inventing, I mean talking about ... | 05:49 | |
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openstackgerrit | Andrey Pavlov proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Fix ec2-api gating job https://review.openstack.org/170646 | 05:58 |
openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Normalize projects.yaml https://review.openstack.org/170651 | 06:01 |
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timrc | cody-somerville, It's a little buggy, but I've added the spread graph you liked: http://grafana.busywait.com/dashboard/db/nodepool-performance | 06:22 |
timrc | Ah I changed the time period, that seemed to get it to render correctly. | 06:23 |
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openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Cleanup jenkins/jobs/projects.yaml https://review.openstack.org/168148 | 07:16 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Normalize projects.yaml https://review.openstack.org/170651 | 07:31 |
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openstackgerrit | Max Rydahl Andersen proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Initial work for supporting downstream-ext https://review.openstack.org/158117 | 10:56 |
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openstackgerrit | Max Rydahl Andersen proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add support for 'raw' to inject direct xml to job configs. https://review.openstack.org/160158 | 11:03 |
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openstackgerrit | Max Rydahl Andersen proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add support for 'raw' to inject direct xml to job configs. https://review.openstack.org/160158 | 12:37 |
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mordred | timrc: ping when you're up | 14:22 |
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timrc | mordred, Just pulled myself out of a nyquil coma. What's up? | 14:45 |
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clarkb | we use older kibana on logstash.o.o because kibana3 is silly. It wants to do things like write to es indexes and I never managed to figure out how to make it less silly | 15:20 |
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mordred | timrc: if you get bored at some point, I'd love a short note on what you did to set it up ... also, are the graphs on it configured through the web? or can you configure them in config files on disk? | 15:24 |
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timrc | mordred, They are configured through the web. For this deployment I installed their debian package on an hpcloud instance, started the grafana service, and logged in with the default admin creds. | 15:25 |
timrc | mordred, I do not know if you can build the graphs with files on disk. | 15:25 |
mordred | gotcha. cool. thanks! | 15:26 |
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mordred | that's pretty easy as a setup... it would be lamer for infra to run one if the set of graphs to display have to be configured through the web | 15:26 |
clarkb | oh wow thats log10 not linear | 15:27 |
timrc | clarkb, Yeah. | 15:27 |
timrc | Pretty sad statement being made there :) | 15:27 |
timrc | mordred, I'll look to see if graphs can be configured from files on a disk. At the moment, this install is using an sqlite3 db, as well (the default) but can be configured to use myql, postgresql, etc. | 15:28 |
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clarkb | mordred that first graph makes a case for floating IPs being :( | 15:31 |
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clarkb | I've made the argument before but good to see it in an easy to consume info dump | 15:33 |
mordred | timrc: cool. I mean, I like the explorability a lot - but if the graphs have to be managed through the web it's kind of a non-starter for us | 15:33 |
mordred | clarkb: yah. for sure | 15:33 |
mordred | clarkb: I think they're a great construct for specific apps that need that thing | 15:33 |
mordred | clarkb: but as a general "this is how you get network access" it's very stupid | 15:33 |
mordred | clarkb: it's like allocating a load balancer to get an external ip - except a load balancer that is pretty bad | 15:33 |
timrc | mordred, Got it. Yeah. | 15:34 |
agentle_wkend | ok need another idea bounced off. I need to figure out how many contributors there are to an individual directory in a repo. I've poked around github, activity.openstack, and stackalytics but can't find directory-level stats. Any ideas? | 15:35 |
agentle_wkend | it's so I can see which guides in openstack-manuals have more contributors | 15:36 |
agentle_wkend | or at least see patterns | 15:36 |
clarkb | you can `git log $dir` and pass in a couple other flags to get just the authors out | 15:38 |
jeblair | agentle_wkend: could probably do that with 'git log', which you can restrict to a certain directory, eg 'git log foo/' | 15:38 |
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jeblair | agentle_wkend: git log --pretty=format:"%an <%ae>" directory/ | 15:40 |
agentle_wkend | jeblair: there we go, I was playing with git shortlog and if it can do directories I'm good to goo | 15:40 |
timrc | mordred, So it appears that all of the graphing and dashboard data is just json. | 15:40 |
agentle_wkend | jeblair: is a Jenkins entry the bot, and I should only count people entries? | 15:41 |
agentle_wkend | jeblair: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/993e68c476454bd3f1e6 should the Jenkins and OpenStack Proposal Bot entries add up to the number of all the other entries? | 15:42 |
agentle_wkend | clarkb: jeblair: that ^^ was from git shortlog -s -n doc/admin-guide-cloud/ | 15:43 |
agentle_wkend | in the openstack-manuals repo | 15:43 |
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jeblair | agentle_wkend: jenkins adding up to the others is not surprising due to merge commits -- jenkins is the author of record for those, and many (most? all?) changes we merge end up with merge commits | 15:44 |
timrc | mordred, And there is a way to import json from the dash.... so now all I need to figure out is if I can write json some where that grafana will automatically import from. | 15:44 |
mordred | it's possible that a change can not have a corresponding merge commit though | 15:44 |
agentle_wkend | jeblair: ok, just trying to make sure I'm counting people not bots | 15:44 |
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timrc | mordred, That is something I'll need to figure out this evening. I have a lot of house chores that piled up that I've been promising my wife I'd do for weeks :) | 15:45 |
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jeblair | agentle_wkend: yeah, if you just ignore jenkins and the proposal bot, you should be good (though of course the proposal bot is responsible for real translations authored by people, but the trail goes cold there with our current tooling) | 15:45 |
agentle_wkend | jeblair: good, I'm going to measure translation through the other tooling, so it's fair for this measure | 15:46 |
agentle_wkend | jeblair: unless you think counting percent translated isn't a good measure of "activity" on a guide | 15:46 |
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jeblair | agentle_wkend: i think that's important. probably also how quickly translations are updated? but i think the translators focus more on the cycle anyway, so i'm not sure how that metric will work out. | 15:50 |
agentle_wkend | jeblair: good point. I'm focusing on a year's worth, but should figure out how to take release cycles into account | 15:51 |
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timrc | mordred, Okay so it's JSON stored in a database column. So it seems simple enough to create json dashboard files that can be stored in project-config and then write a script to that will load them into the database. | 15:55 |
mordred | timrc: I agree- that does sound fairly simple | 15:57 |
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timrc | mordred, I'm work on a POC of that this weekend. | 15:58 |
timrc | Erm.. I'm going to | 15:58 |
mordred | timrc: don't ignore the wife chores too much - otherwise you will be a bad person | 15:58 |
timrc | It appears the nyquil is still having some effect. Maybe I should have used the dosage cap and not just "guesstimated" as I chugged. | 15:59 |
mordred | :) | 15:59 |
jeblair | timrc: before you go crazy, let's figure out what we want to use this for | 15:59 |
jeblair | timrc: i mean, if you want to explore a bit more, that's cool. but i don't want you to waste effort if we end up not using it... | 16:02 |
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jeblair | timrc: so when you get to the point where you would be unhappy if we didn't proceed with it, let's be sure to chat and make sure we have needs and use cases that it will cover | 16:03 |
timrc | jeblair, Sure. | 16:03 |
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timrc | Our immediate need downstream at least is a way to monitor nodepool performance. To accompany this I also want to measure job completion times to get an idea of throughput. I think it'll be used less for monitoring and more for things like capacity planning or calling out inefficiencies or anomalies so they can be further investigated and / or resolved. | 16:05 |
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timrc | That first monitor should be an analyze. | 16:05 |
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ekarlso | a | 16:11 |
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zaro | fungi: sorry to bother you. I've managed to mess up the review-dev db last night (around 0400 utc time). next time you are free would you mind getting me a backup of the review-dev db? one from thurs or early fri would be best. | 16:29 |
fungi | zaro: they're on review-dev in the /var/backups/mysql_backups directory. there's about a month's worth of daily dumps in there | 16:37 |
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agentle_wkend | oh! And I would really love it if the infra team could help out Rackspace with our docs information architecture. I tweeted it out yesterday, http://j.mp/1yKl0Ko is the survey link. clarkb jeblair mordred I know we've talked about improving Rackspace docs, please offer input :) | 18:31 |
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zaro | Thanks fungi! Promise to remember that the db is backed up to same machine so i won't have to bother about this again :) Anyways I was able to fix review-dev and test my migration script on it as well. | 18:33 |
fungi | tweets. how quaint! | 18:33 |
fungi | zaro: awesome. it's probably not clearly documented, but that's how our database backup puppet modules work (they're basically just wrapping cron jobs running dump commands to the local machine so our filesystem backups will pick them up) | 18:35 |
fungi | wow... a 34-item sort. that smacks of committee | 18:38 |
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agentle_wkend | fungi: it's a 34-item sort? I haven't seen the whole thing! | 19:07 |
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fungi | agentle_wkend: yeah, but i powered through anyway | 19:45 |
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