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| anteaya | morning jhesketh | 00:01 |
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| anteaya | Kennan: best if you just ask what you want | 00:01 |
| Kennan | anteaya I add commments for what I asked to clarkb but not get any response :) | 00:02 |
| anteaya | Kennan: clark is away for an undetermined amount of time to take care of his family | 00:03 |
| Kennan | anteaya for https://launchpad.net/~openstack-admins | 00:03 |
| anteaya | do you have the url of a patch or something | 00:03 |
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| anteaya | what is it that you want? | 00:04 |
| Kennan | from here I can not find magnum project listed, it may cause one issue, I not sure, but think it can. when query bp in magnum, it can not find in openstack bps | 00:04 |
| Kennan | I discussed that with tchaypo yesterday | 00:04 |
| Kennan | it may related with that | 00:05 |
| * tchaypo waves | 00:05 | |
| Kennan | magnum not listed in https://launchpad.net/openstack | 00:05 |
| Kennan | projects | 00:05 |
| Kennan | anteaya do you know who can add that in https://launchpad.net/openstack ? | 00:05 |
| anteaya | Kennan: my suggestion would be to talk to someone in magnum | 00:06 |
| anteaya | sdake: is that you? | 00:06 |
| anteaya | and ensure they have followed the steps in http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html#set-up-supervisors-for-your-project | 00:06 |
| sdake | anteaya wound me | 00:06 |
| Kennan | anteaya oh, I thought it would for cloud-admins , let me check with sdake | 00:07 |
| tchaypo | anteaya: to summarise - when “partially implements bp blah” is added to the commit message on a magnum change (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184975/ is an example) it creates a link to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack/?searchtext=api-microversions - but that doesn’t find the bp in question, which I *think* is related to the fact that | 00:07 |
| tchaypo | https://launchpad.net/openstack doesn’t list magnum as a project | 00:07 |
| sdake | anteaya I dont have appropriate permissions | 00:07 |
| sdake | only adrian does - I've asked him to make the drivers team the maintainer of the launchpad | 00:07 |
| sdake | so people can fix these problems | 00:07 |
| sdake | but he is either travelling or afk every time I ask :( | 00:07 |
| sdake | maybe someone on the infra team can yell at him ;-) | 00:08 |
| Kennan | sdake ok so it need adrian to do that ? | 00:08 |
| sdake | kennan only the maintainer of the launchpad can set "Part of" | 00:09 |
| sdake | which is the field that needs setting | 00:09 |
| anteaya | sdake: ah okay thanks | 00:09 |
| sdake | in typical openstack projects, the maintainer is the drivers team | 00:09 |
| sdake | but we have an open drivers team | 00:09 |
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| sdake | we need to chang eht drivers team to closed | 00:09 |
| sdake | and then change the maintainer to hte drivers team | 00:09 |
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| sdake | diner time bbl | 00:11 |
| Kennan | ok so anteaya and tchaypo , it is because of this http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html#set-up-supervisors-for-your-project | 00:11 |
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| Kennan | we not list magnum as projects, and can not find bp in openstack query | 00:11 |
| Kennan | right ? | 00:11 |
| anteaya | Kennan: it is because the only person with permissions is away | 00:11 |
| tchaypo | Kennan: I can’t answer that, I don’t know how any of this works | 00:11 |
| anteaya | and the permissions to help you achieve your goal is understood by sdake but he has no permissions to assist | 00:12 |
| sdake | anteaya it may be that adrian doesn't know that needs to be done | 00:12 |
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| sdake | mind sendiing him an email adrian.otto@rackspace.com | 00:12 |
| sdake | it will mean more coming from an infra core :) | 00:12 |
| anteaya | sdake: that is possible | 00:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/requirements: cap WSME to <0.7 https://review.openstack.org/188004 | 00:12 |
| anteaya | well I think someone on his own project would make the most sense | 00:12 |
| anteaya | strictly speaking I don't personally see this as an infra problem | 00:12 |
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| tchaypo | Kennan: but it sounds like anteaya and sdake know more than me so I’m going to assume they’re helping you. Feel free to ping me again if you need more help though | 00:13 |
| sdake | its definately not an infra problem | 00:13 |
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| Kennan | ok thanks tchaypo | 00:13 |
| anteaya | sdake: so I support you emailing adrian and asking to be added to whatever launchpad groups can do the work | 00:13 |
| sdake | ;-) | 00:13 |
| anteaya | :) | 00:13 |
| sdake | nice offload :) | 00:13 |
| sdake | that is what I was trying to do :) | 00:13 |
| anteaya | well | 00:14 |
| anteaya | I have no ability to add you to any launchpad anything | 00:14 |
| sdake | I know you dont | 00:14 |
| Kennan | ok sdake I got know that now. | 00:14 |
| anteaya | as I have less launchpad permissions that you | 00:14 |
| sdake | i'll keep on adrian about it | 00:14 |
| sdake | next time I have a chance to speak with him | 00:14 |
| anteaya | sdake: sounds like a plan | 00:14 |
| sdake | kennan don't expect fast action | 00:14 |
| sdake | both adrian and I are overloaded atm | 00:14 |
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| Kennan | sdake OK No problem | 00:14 |
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| anteaya | sdake: if you don't have any response after a week appeal to jeblair | 00:15 |
| sdake | its not that adrian refuses to do it I think he doesn't understand why it needs to be done :) | 00:15 |
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| anteaya | yeah I get that | 00:16 |
| anteaya | but if it doesn't get sorted out in a week, do return | 00:16 |
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| anteaya | but stuff like this is best sorted out within a project | 00:17 |
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| anteaya | happy to support the information part but decisions need to rest with the project decision makers | 00:17 |
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| Kennan | anteaya ok. thanks for your info | 00:18 |
| anteaya | Kennan: thanks for you patience | 00:18 |
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| fungi | i honestly don't see what jeblair can do about it either | 00:21 |
| fungi | openstack-admins has no jurisdiction over random launchpad projects until it's granted | 00:21 |
| zaro | rcarrillocruz: hey, we've disabled drafts completely. can't even submit changes as drafts on our system. | 00:22 |
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| anteaya | fungi: ah okay I did not know that | 00:22 |
| anteaya | sdake: so adrian is the only one who can do anything here, if he needs some help to understand why this is important he can ask here and we will do our best | 00:23 |
| fungi | right now, aside from adrian otto, the members of the magnum-drivers group have the potential to collectively lobby to launchpad admins and ask them to turn over control of the project entry on the grounds that the listed owner has abandoned it/them, but that's really about it | 00:24 |
| anteaya | an interesting fallback plan | 00:24 |
| fungi | even then, adrian otto is the only administrator of that group, so they'd probably have to make a pretty solid case | 00:25 |
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| Kennan | ok fungi what we want to do is just make gerrit Implements bluprint bp, that link can get the query of that bp | 00:35 |
| Kennan | instead of not find it | 00:35 |
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| mordred | so have I missed anything? | 00:45 |
| anteaya | mordred: my cat's in my lap | 00:46 |
| mordred | anteaya: that's a good place for it | 00:49 |
| pleia2 | I have a cat on my lap too \o/ | 00:49 |
| mordred | aww. I do not have a cat in or on my laop | 00:49 |
| mordred | lap | 00:49 |
| mordred | mine is outside | 00:50 |
| anteaya | have you a worst cat in teh house? | 00:50 |
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| anteaya | so cozy in the lap | 00:51 |
| dougwig | it's a cat party. mine is on my arm. | 00:51 |
| anteaya | pleia2: does your cat claim your wrists? | 00:51 |
| anteaya | dougwig: well you have a big arm | 00:51 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: nah, she's pretty compact | 00:51 |
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| anteaya | mine demands my wrists | 00:51 |
| dougwig | anteaya: and the cat is 19, so she pretty much sleeps wherever you put her. | 00:52 |
| anteaya | when I try to free one she has to keep a paw on it and follow it around | 00:52 |
| anteaya | dougwig: ha ha ha | 00:52 |
| anteaya | dougwig: I can see mordred taking that as a challenge | 00:52 |
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| harlowja | could i get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185077/ perhaps merged :) :) (project-config change for oslo) | 01:00 |
| harlowja | please with sugar on top :-P | 01:01 |
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| mtreinish | anteaya: if you get a sec could you take a look at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186809/ | 01:06 |
| anteaya | mtreinish: sure just looking at harlowja change | 01:07 |
| harlowja | thx :) | 01:07 |
| dims_ | thanks anteaya! | 01:07 |
| anteaya | harlowja: welcome, why do you want python26 tests on it? | 01:07 |
| Shrews | zoinks... mordred, ever seen an invocation error on flake8? http://logs.openstack.org/36/188636/2/check/gate-shade-pep8/acde9a5/console.html#_2015-06-05_00_50_55_764 | 01:07 |
| harlowja | anteaya because other projects/libs that depend on it still use 26 | 01:07 |
| harlowja | *until someday | 01:08 |
| * harlowja needs to bring that up in oslo meeting next week (forgot this week) | 01:08 | |
| harlowja | aka, when can we finally drop all 2.6 stuffs | 01:08 |
| dims_ | ++ harlowja | 01:08 |
| anteaya | you don't have the automation name on pypi: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/automation/0.6.1 | 01:08 |
| dims_ | automaton | 01:09 |
| dims_ | no i | 01:09 |
| harlowja | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/automaton | 01:09 |
| harlowja | like the robot :-P | 01:09 |
| harlowja | *not nancy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_g7ISS9nFA (sfw) | 01:10 |
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| anteaya | harlowja: please add the pypi link and the need for python26 as a comment on the patch | 01:10 |
| anteaya | will save time for other reviewers | 01:10 |
| harlowja | k | 01:10 |
| harlowja | done | 01:11 |
| flashgordon | Shrews: very odd | 01:12 |
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| anteaya | dims_ harlowja do stable-maint-core acknowledge you are giving them your stable branches? | 01:15 |
| anteaya | I've lost track of the protocol for stable-maint-core acl permissions | 01:15 |
| harlowja | anteaya unsure, dims_ any idea? | 01:15 |
| dims_ | anteaya: yes, doug is aware | 01:15 |
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| anteaya | dims_: okay thanks | 01:17 |
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| anteaya | dims_: I"m looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186809/3/jenkins/jobs/oslo.yaml and was wondering if you had any input on how oslo jobs were dealing with log paths | 01:23 |
| dims_ | anteaya: going with mtreinish as he knows better :) | 01:27 |
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| anteaya | dims_: okey dokey | 01:27 |
| mtreinish | dims_: heh, sure... | 01:27 |
| anteaya | mtreinish: you are either correct or have the ability to convince us all of that | 01:28 |
| dims_ | mtreinish: no pressure :) | 01:28 |
| anteaya | we will soon find out | 01:28 |
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| Clint | lifeless: thoughts on https://bugs.debian.org/787787 ? | 02:21 |
| openstack | Debian bug 787787 in python-stdeb "python-stdeb: does not understand dependencies in a pbr-based setup" [Normal,Open] | 02:21 |
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| lifeless | looking | 02:22 |
| lifeless | oh | 02:22 |
| lifeless | pbr doesn't alter how you get dependency info from python packages | 02:22 |
| lifeless | I haven't looked at what python-stdeb does though | 02:22 |
| Clint | lifeless: it assumes there are no dependencies because it's looking for setuptools stuff | 02:23 |
| lifeless | setuptools has no declarative facility today | 02:23 |
| lifeless | so - how does stdeb do its looking ? | 02:23 |
| lifeless | or should I go read the code | 02:23 |
| Clint | i think you should go read the code ;) | 02:25 |
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| lifeless | Clint: ok, am blind | 02:31 |
| lifeless | Clint: so its basically broken | 02:31 |
| lifeless | Clint: I can think of several not-uncommon things that it will fail to work with, with its MANIFEST ignoring tree-symlinking manual-sdist making madness | 02:32 |
| lifeless | Clint: :/ | 02:32 |
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| Clint | lifeless: but as far as parsing pbr.packaging.parse_requirements() as a solution ? | 02:32 |
| lifeless | Clint: Very much the wrong layer | 02:34 |
| lifeless | Clint: the egg info it picks up in common.py has the install requires already | 02:34 |
| lifeless | it should use that | 02:34 |
| Clint | lifeless: okay, would you mind following up to the bug? | 02:34 |
| lifeless | get_deb_depends_from_setuptools_requires already does this AFAICT | 02:36 |
| Clint | except it's not doing it | 02:36 |
| lifeless | ah found the bug | 02:37 |
| lifeless | its just broken | 02:37 |
| lifeless | let me draw your attention to util.py line 728 | 02:37 |
| lifeless | (in 0.6.0+20100620-5 of python-stdeb) | 02:37 |
| Clint | well that is not the version i have handy | 02:38 |
| lifeless | setup_requires is passed into DebianInfo | 02:38 |
| lifeless | ok, let me consult upstream | 02:38 |
| Clint | ok | 02:38 |
| lifeless | https://github.com/astraw/stdeb/tree/master/stdeb ? | 02:39 |
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| Clint | sure | 02:39 |
| lifeless | https://github.com/astraw/stdeb/blob/master/stdeb/util.py#L292 is the thunking code; called from https://github.com/astraw/stdeb/blob/master/stdeb/util.py#L800 | 02:40 |
| lifeless | note that its processing *setup_requires* here, not *install_requires* | 02:40 |
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| Clint | hrm | 02:40 |
| lifeless | https://github.com/astraw/stdeb/blob/master/stdeb/command/common.py#L87 is where the sdist_dsc command gets its DebianInfo | 02:41 |
| lifeless | and https://github.com/astraw/stdeb/blob/master/stdeb/command/common.py#L87 is where it passes in () as the setup_requires | 02:42 |
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| lifeless | -> the entire code path for figuring out dependencies appears to be a no-op to,e | 02:42 |
| lifeless | to me | 02:42 |
| Clint | interesting | 02:42 |
| lifeless | setup_requires should map to build-depends; install_requires to Depends: | 02:43 |
| lifeless | I don't see anything sniffing for depends | 02:43 |
| lifeless | setup_requires is correctly mapped to build-depends (but hard coded to (), so not very useful :)) | 02:44 |
| Clint | depends shouldn't be a problem because of ${python:Depends}, i assume | 02:44 |
| lifeless | that just gets you python3 or whatever | 02:44 |
| Clint | oh | 02:44 |
| Clint | well, damn | 02:45 |
| lifeless | if you're packaging say testtools, you'll want python-unittest2 as a depends, for instance. | 02:45 |
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| lifeless | so one way to fix this, is to use the egg info (it has glue for getting that) and use that to read in the requirements. | 02:45 |
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| lifeless | Note that requirements is a minilanguage - there's a thing called environment markers that is used to filter out some deps at runtime | 02:46 |
| Clint | you mean in .egg-info/requires.txt itself? | 02:46 |
| lifeless | figuring that out will be fun (e.g. reversing that back to conditional dependencies in debian like python3||(python2&&python-argparse) or whatever | 02:47 |
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| lifeless | Clint: yah | 02:47 |
| Clint | fantastic | 02:47 |
| lifeless | Clint: PEP 426 environment markers | 02:47 |
| lifeless | + PEP 426 extra dependencies | 02:47 |
| lifeless | all fold down to one set of complex dependencies in requires.txt | 02:47 |
| lifeless | which e.g. pip evaluates at runtime | 02:47 |
| Clint | whee | 02:48 |
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| lifeless | doing setup_requires will be harder still | 02:50 |
| lifeless | because you can't get the setup_requires without running easy_install's glue | 02:50 |
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| lifeless | so - you can do it but its going to hit pypi etc to grab stff | 02:50 |
| lifeless | *stuff* | 02:50 |
| lifeless | I'd start with install_requires - thats the big win | 02:51 |
| Clint | great | 02:51 |
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| lifeless | Clint: I can follow up to the bug if you like too | 02:58 |
| lifeless | Clint: but I'd just be copy-pasting this conversation :) | 02:59 |
| Clint | lifeless: fair enough | 02:59 |
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| Clint | lifeless: thanks, i'll take another look after i sleep | 02:59 |
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| nikhil_k | fungi: this ( https://pypi.python.org/pypi/glance_store ) is the right mirror for glance store repo. Please feel free to do whatever with the old one. | 03:39 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: sigmavirus24_awa ^ | 03:39 |
| nikhil_k | dstufft: ^ | 03:40 |
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| crinkle | pleia2: I sort-of figured out what I was doing wrong...there were a lot of bad assumptions, but the main thing I needed was for the setup script to have a sleep at the end | 04:12 |
| crinkle | I guess something bad happens if it exits too quickly during snapshotting? sort of fuzzy on that | 04:12 |
| crinkle | pleia2: not sure if relevant to the issues you were seeing | 04:12 |
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| ho | hello, patch #187489 got an error regarding to lberasurecode in gate. I would like to know whether libJerasure is installed or not. http://paste.openstack.org/show/264868/ | 05:09 |
| ho | Is there any change to check it? | 05:12 |
| nibalizer | looks like etherpad has puppet disabled still, maybe from manual summit things? http://puppetboard.openstack.org/node/etherpad.openstack.org | 05:16 |
| nibalizer | facts last uploaded at: Thursday, May 21 2015 5:07 PM | 05:16 |
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| flaper87 | nikhil_k: fungi sigmavirus24_awa dstufft correct, https://pypi.python.org/pypi/glance_store is the right one. We can delete the one with the `.` that used namespaces | 06:14 |
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| ttx | Kennan, anteaya: yeah, I can't fix it either. Needs to come from the project itself, and I'm not a driver there. | 07:02 |
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| zzelle_ | Hi everyone | 07:39 |
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| ttx | ZZelle: it's in the check queue now | 07:55 |
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| yolanda | Fact is that this belongs to openstack, not to openstack-infra | 09:40 |
| yolanda | where shall we create that puppet module? | 09:40 |
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| flip214 | Am I on the right track with that change? ^^ | 11:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Renat Akhmerov proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Rename stackforge/mistral to openstack/mistral https://review.openstack.org/175328 | 12:50 |
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| mordred | yolanda: oh - that's an interesting point | 12:53 |
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| yolanda | mordred, about the cloud config module? | 12:55 |
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| mordred | yah | 12:58 |
| mordred | yolanda: it makes me think perhaps it should be a module in puppet-openstack | 12:58 |
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| mordred | yolanda: EXCEPT that puppet-openstack is more oriented towards deploying clouds, not using them | 12:59 |
| mordred | EmilienM: thoughts? | 12:59 |
| yolanda | also, the puppet openstack modules are still on stackforge, right? | 13:00 |
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| dtantsur | hey folks, any chances you have a look at the project renaming patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188030/ please? I suspect it should be placed into one of the maintenance windows... | 13:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davide Guerri proposed openstack-infra/shade: Add Neutron/Nova Floating IP list/search/get https://review.openstack.org/183496 | 13:46 |
| bookwar | can someone take a look https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187660 recheck triggers check pipeline and not a gate, even though there is Workflow+1 label | 13:46 |
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| mordred | fungi, jhesketh, SergeyLukjanov, jeblair, pleia2, clarkb: I just got credentials for our first non-HP, non-Rackspace public cloud for infra | 13:48 |
| mordred | I am now starting to test them out | 13:48 |
| bookwar | nvm, looks like it is resolved by resetting votes | 13:49 |
| pabelanger | mordred, do they know what they signed up for? :) | 13:50 |
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| ams__ | I'm not sure what the etiquette is for this, but I sent in 2 reviews a month ago for jenkins job builder, they made it past 1 code review but as I understand it they're pending another one (from a core committer?). Is there someone I can gently poke or should I just be more patient? | 13:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Griffith proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Remove obsolete cinder LVM no space querie https://review.openstack.org/188782 | 13:58 |
| zxiiro | ams__: sadly it's an on going problem I have as well :( not enough reviewers for JJB it seems | 13:59 |
| ams__ | zxiiro: I'm sure it's a tricky one, it's a project that affords lots of little changes | 14:01 |
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| mordred | pabelanger: they seem to :) | 14:02 |
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| flip214 | could somebody please look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188744/ and tell my why I get "Job check-tempest-dsvm-full-drbd-devstack not defined"? thanks a lot. | 14:03 |
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| fungi | mordred: very exciting news! | 14:04 |
| fungi | flip214: looking | 14:04 |
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| flip214 | fungi: thank you! | 14:07 |
| fungi | flip214: in zuul/layout.yaml you've got some existing jobs without the -nv suffix, but where you had instantiated that template in jenkins/jobs/projects.yaml you've changed that to only the -nv variant. i'll leave the fix in an inline comment | 14:07 |
| flip214 | ah, okay. | 14:08 |
| fungi | flip214: see comments | 14:08 |
| flip214 | fungi: thanks! | 14:08 |
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| flip214 | another question: in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187568/ I tried to fix the devstack plugin. | 14:09 |
| fungi | flip214: you should be able to test that locally with 'tox -e layout' too i think | 14:09 |
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| kragniz | our glance_store gate seems to be wedged by cinderclient's pbr dependency | 14:10 |
| kragniz | (https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance-store/+bug/1462276) | 14:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1462276 in glance_store "glance_store py27 and py26 unit tests are currently broken" [Undecided,New] | 14:10 |
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| kragniz | does anyone know if we're doing something wrong, or do we need to wait for a cinderclient release? | 14:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ph. Marek proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Register a non-voting CI job for the DRBD Cinder driver. https://review.openstack.org/188744 | 14:11 |
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| flip214 | fungi: another question. 187568 doesn't pass the gate, because the project-config has an incomplete definition for the devstack setup (which the above commit tries to fix). | 14:12 |
| fungi | kragniz: yeah, looks correct in master http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/python-cinderclient/tree/requirements.txt#n4 | 14:12 |
| flip214 | So 187568 and 188744 depend on each other. | 14:12 |
| kragniz | fungi: yeah, it's okay in master, but the last released version breaks things | 14:13 |
| fungi | kragniz: yep, compare to http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/python-cinderclient/tree/requirements.txt?id=1.2.1#n4 | 14:13 |
| kragniz | I'm not sure why we seem to be the only effected project, though (?) | 14:13 |
| flip214 | But my +2 and workflow +1 on 187568 to resolve the situation haven't been enough, I believe - it won't merge. | 14:13 |
| kragniz | logstash only shows our things failing | 14:13 |
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| fungi | flip214: 188744 won't actually be blocked on 187568, so once the former merges and gets applied you should be able to recheck the latter and see the updated behavior | 14:16 |
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| kragniz | fungi: do you think asking nicely for a cinderclient release is the best thing to do? | 14:20 |
| flip214 | fungi: okay, thanks. | 14:20 |
| fungi | kragniz: yep. i thought most of the libs had already released from master since the pbr requirement change... | 14:21 |
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| fungi | dims_: dhellmann: ^ ? | 14:21 |
| zigo | pabelanger: Hi there! | 14:21 |
| fungi | it's possible cinderclient was simply overlooked | 14:21 |
| kragniz | fungi: cool | 14:21 |
| kragniz | thanks for the help! | 14:21 |
| zigo | pabelanger: Is there anything I can do to help getting this new zuul-packaging job done? | 14:21 |
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| dims_ | fungi: interesting, we'll need dhellmann for that. don't have cinder karma | 14:22 |
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| fungi | dims_: dhellmann: yeah, tl;dr is that cincerclient master has a fixed pbr req on <2 but the latest tagged version of cinderclient still demands pbr <1 | 14:23 |
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| fungi | and this is causing glance_store unit test jobs to break when trying to install their requirements list | 14:24 |
| rcarrillocruz | fungi: hiya, who whould be best to talk to about the gerrit upgrade? I got past the 500 errors on some views by enabling the secondary index. However, when doing the reindex there are a bunch of changes that cannot be indexed, and if I try to view them on the UI by putting it on the URL i get a 500. | 14:24 |
| rcarrillocruz | Interestingly enough, those changes are WIP | 14:24 |
| rcarrillocruz | I believe you made some sql magic to move those changes from WIP state to -1 or something | 14:24 |
| rcarrillocruz | prior to upgrading | 14:25 |
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| rcarrillocruz | but can't see that sql magic on the gerrit 2.8 upgrade etherpad | 14:25 |
| fungi | rcarrillocruz: ahh, yup. i believe i did an update query to set a workflow -1 vote on any changes that had a status of wip, and then a second update query to reset their status to new | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | dims_, fungi, kragniz : we should get thingee to sign off on a release, since there are several changes: http://paste.openstack.org/show/266164/ | 14:25 |
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| fungi | rcarrillocruz: and after that we were able to index those changes | 14:25 |
| kragniz | dhellmann: okay | 14:26 |
| rcarrillocruz | fungi: excelleent, is that documented somewhere? some wiki or something? | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | kragniz: it might still be a bit early in his day | 14:26 |
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| fungi | rcarrillocruz: not sure. it may have been a scramble fix, but i'll see if i can find the old etherpad we used for the upgrade to check whether i recorded the query there | 14:26 |
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| rcarrillocruz | also, how you managed to have 'Workflow' instead of 'Approve' on the UI of changes, and how you moved the order of the columns? The OOTB order differs, and I get 'Approve' | 14:26 |
| jklare | hi, if anyone has a moment for review, it would be cool if i could get some comments on this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186379/, because we (chef openstack people) would like to continue the work on our integration testing | 14:26 |
| kragniz | dhellmann: I'm okay waiting, the glance_store gate isn't very busy | 14:27 |
| fungi | rcarrillocruz: it's possible that's also documented in our old upgrade plan. zaro also may remember | 14:27 |
| rcarrillocruz | the links i found are: | 14:27 |
| rcarrillocruz | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gerrit-2.8-upgrade | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | fungi: it looks like a lot of the clients are in this state | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | some may not have merged the requirements update | 14:28 |
| rcarrillocruz | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gerrit_upgrade_script | 14:28 |
| fungi | dhellmann: oh, that's unfortunate | 14:28 |
| rcarrillocruz | i see some sql, but related to ICLA, not to the WIP :S | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | fungi: http://paste.openstack.org/show/266165/ | 14:28 |
| fungi | rcarrillocruz: yep, that's the one i was looking for | 14:28 |
| rcarrillocruz | (sorry, will shut up, didn't notice you were on a conversation with dhellmann) | 14:28 |
| fungi | rcarrillocruz: no worries. my brain is multithreaded | 14:28 |
| fungi | dhellmann: wow, you ain't kiddin | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | kragniz: while you wait, you could look into python-glanceclient's requirements: http://paste.openstack.org/show/266165/ | 14:29 |
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| kragniz | dhellmann: already doing it! | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | fungi: it's possible my local git cache is out of date, so I'm updating before I send email to the -dev list | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | kragniz: great, thanks! | 14:30 |
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| fungi | rcarrillocruz: i'll plumb the depths of the irc logs to see if i might have recorded it in here for posterity | 14:30 |
| eantyshev | jeblair: Hello! I need your attention to that change discussed yesterday: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/065674.html | 14:30 |
| rcarrillocruz | awesome, thx a bunch | 14:30 |
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| fungi | dhellmann: on that front, would https://review.openstack.org/188574 be of interest to you? | 14:31 |
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| dhellmann | fungi: yes! | 14:31 |
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| fungi | dhellmann: our infra outreachy intern, taron, is going to be working on that for us this summer | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | fungi: I keep a copy of everything checked out and use aeromancer to do some of this, but I would like to not have to build my own tool | 14:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Mateusz Matuszkowiak proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Added new SF repository for Fuel SaltStack plugin https://review.openstack.org/188795 | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | wonderful, thanks taron ! | 14:32 |
| fungi | dhellmann: yeah, i have a cronjob on my workstation that keeps up to date clones of every project in our gerrit so i can do that. it's... well, i'll just say "not convenient" | 14:32 |
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| dhellmann | yeah | 14:32 |
| kragniz | dhellmann: our requirements sync is failing with a pbr error | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | kragniz: :-( | 14:33 |
| kragniz | I know :( | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | kragniz: link? | 14:33 |
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| kragniz | dhellmann: http://logs.openstack.org/81/155581/31/check/gate-python-glanceclient-pep8/42def0a/console.html | 14:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Project rename stackforge/ironic-discoverd -> openstack/ironic-inspector https://review.openstack.org/188030 | 14:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack-infra/project-config: New project python-ironic-inspector-client https://review.openstack.org/188798 | 14:33 |
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| pabelanger | zigo, we're waiting on the packaging spec for -infra to be finished up. StevenK is driving it, ATM. For the most part, I think we are in good shape. But once the spec is merged, I think we can continue working on getting the base dependencies done | 14:36 |
| dhellmann | kragniz: I have some other stuff I have to take care of locally. When I come back online, I'll see if I can help unwind which depdendency of python-glanceclient needs a release | 14:36 |
| zigo | pabelanger: Ok, thanks for the update. | 14:36 |
| kragniz | dhellmann: thanks a lot | 14:36 |
| zigo | pabelanger: Would it make sense if I work on a VM image for building? | 14:36 |
| zigo | Or at least a script for it ... | 14:37 |
| kragniz | dhellmann: no one's come shouting at us yet, so hopefully we're not breaking anyone right now :) | 14:37 |
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| dhellmann | kragniz: let's hope that holds :-) | 14:37 |
| pabelanger | zigo, for the most part, I think a fair bit of that is done. I have a review up to build a top of the ubuntu-trusty dib, it then will setup a debian/sid chroot via sbuild | 14:37 |
| kragniz | dhellmann: I'm hoping! | 14:38 |
| fungi | dhellmann: kragniz: yeah, i don't see the log mentioning which one is in conflict, but i can recreate that failure locally at least | 14:38 |
| fungi | dhellmann: kragniz: might be it needs newer hacking? | 14:38 |
| zxiiro | Hey guys, at the summit Khai mentioned to me the Toggle CI button in OS's Gerrit is just some javascript using Gerrit's built in features. I was wondering where the code for that is? | 14:38 |
| zigo | pabelanger: ack | 14:38 |
| pabelanger | zigo, however you could start to work on your build script. Creating a new chroot at runtime is fine too. | 14:38 |
| zigo | pabelanger: I don't agree, I think it should be created on the image daily, just once. | 14:39 |
| pabelanger | right | 14:39 |
| pabelanger | that is how I see it working too | 14:39 |
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| zigo | pabelanger: We would one 2 chroots, in fact, one for Sid, one for Jessie. | 14:39 |
| zigo | Just to make sure none is breaking. | 14:39 |
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| zigo | pabelanger: FYI, we already started some merging between Debian & Ubuntu. | 14:40 |
| fungi | kragniz: dhellmann: yep, that's the flake8 entrypoint plumbing issue. newer hacking drags in a fixed flake8 and that error goes away, but we don't sync hacking req updates intentionally (and you'll see why if you try it on glanceclient!) | 14:40 |
| pabelanger | zigo, Right, we could do all honestly, we are not really limited by resources. Then each JJB template could pick the chroot to use | 14:40 |
| zigo | pabelanger: James Page uploaded some oslo libs to Debian Experimental useable on both. | 14:40 |
| kragniz | fungi: hehe | 14:40 |
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| kragniz | fungi: should I make a hacking upgrade patch? | 14:41 |
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| fungi | kragniz: i think if you amend that change to switch hacking to >=0.10.0,<0.11 in test-requirements.txt like novaclient has, and then add a bunch of ignore entries for all teh new rules it starts failing on, you should be able to hammer that through | 14:41 |
| jeblair | yolanda: if there is no puppet module for oscc, and we need a puppet module for oscc, we should make a puppet module for oscc, regardless of who the upstream for oscc is. we also have puppet modules for jenkins, gerrit, bup, etc., none of which we have written. | 14:41 |
| jeblair | mordred: excellent! do we still need to benchmark a devstack run? | 14:42 |
| kragniz | fungi: sounds good | 14:42 |
| yolanda | jeblair, i agree with that, but was wondering about the namespace... is that ok to have it under infra? | 14:42 |
| zigo | pabelanger: https://launchpad.net/~james-page/+archive/ubuntu/debian-convergence <--- All for Liberty. | 14:42 |
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| fungi | kragniz: and then you and your fellow glanceclient cores can collectively decide which new rules to enable and fix later, if any | 14:42 |
| jeblair | yolanda: yes | 14:42 |
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| yolanda | ok | 14:43 |
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| asselin__ | jeblair, I ran into an issue with Zuul where the ip address of the system changed. Everything is fine, except the URL in the zuul ui still points to the old ip address. Couldn't find any trace of it. Any suggestions where to look? | 14:43 |
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| pabelanger | zigo, NICE | 14:43 |
| yolanda | jeblair, another question. We are doing a gerrit 2.8 setup, and we were wondering abou the custom labels you have, the worflow one, for example. I see that they are defined in all-projects, is there also anything needed from database? | 14:43 |
| yolanda | and how did you manage to sort the ordering | 14:44 |
| yolanda | ? | 14:44 |
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| electrical | waynr: my talk for PuppetConf got accepted :-) | 14:44 |
| fungi | zxiiro: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/modules/openstack_project/files/gerrit/hideci.js | 14:44 |
| jeblair | asselin__: i'm not sure what url you are referring to | 14:45 |
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| jeblair | yolanda: i believe labels moved entirely from database to project config files. i'm not sure about the sorting. | 14:45 |
| jeblair | (i assume they are simply alphabetically sorted) | 14:46 |
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| asselin__ | jeblair, in the zuul ui, when you expand the jobs, there's a url to the jenkins jobs that's actually running the job. that url is still the old IP address. (jenkins and zuul are on the same box). | 14:46 |
| mordred | jeblair: oh yeah - I mean, we still need to do several things I'm sure | 14:46 |
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| mordred | jeblair: right now I'm just verifying auth information and api support and stuff | 14:47 |
| jeblair | asselin__: ah, that comes from jenkins; in other words, i think that's what jenkins thinks its hostname/ip address is | 14:47 |
| asselin__ | jeblair, ok....will try to restart jenkins then. Thanks! | 14:47 |
| jeblair | mordred: cool | 14:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Make Bandit Python 3.4 check voting, and add gate https://review.openstack.org/188127 | 14:47 |
| yolanda | jeblair, and how do you configure that, manual changes on all-projects ? | 14:48 |
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| jeblair | yolanda: yes; we'd love a patch to jeepyb to do it though :) | 14:48 |
| yolanda | jeblair, that sounded like a request :) | 14:48 |
| jeblair | yolanda: something for a rainy day | 14:49 |
| yolanda | we are just fighting with gerrit 2.8 and our zuul pipelines, they don't like each other | 14:50 |
| jeblair | asselin__: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/gearman-plugin/tree/src/main/java/hudson/plugins/gearman/StartJobWorker.java#n93 | 14:50 |
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| jeblair | asselin__: i think there might be a jenkins global config option to set the root url, which is what's being used there | 14:50 |
| * asselin__ looks | 14:51 | |
| asselin__ | jeblair, yes there is! Jenkins Location Jenkins URL | 14:52 |
| rcarrillocruz | jeblair: ok, we were playing around with tables approval_categories and approval_category_labels, but that didn't change anything on the UI | 14:52 |
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| rcarrillocruz | let's play with project config then | 14:52 |
| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: are approval_categories and approval_category_labels database tables? | 14:53 |
| rcarrillocruz | yep | 14:53 |
| jeblair | oh yes, i see the word there, missed it the first time | 14:53 |
| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: they don't exist in our install of 2.8 | 14:54 |
| rcarrillocruz | really? | 14:54 |
| rcarrillocruz | interesting | 14:54 |
| asselin__ | jeblair, fixed. thank you | 14:54 |
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| fungi | rcarrillocruz: i found that for updating the approval category to workflow i did something like... | 14:56 |
| fungi | update patch_set_approvals set granted=granted category_id="Workflow" where category_id="Approved"; | 14:56 |
| fungi | rcarrillocruz: but haven't found a record of how we transitioned existing wip settings yet | 14:56 |
| rcarrillocruz | sweet, that's a start | 14:57 |
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| fungi | rcarrillocruz: old-style wip was a review state, so presumably need to match on that instead... but i really don't remember what we did for that (if anything... presumably we did something) | 14:58 |
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| yolanda | doh | 14:59 |
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| yolanda | we could just say all people that they remove their WIP changes :) | 14:59 |
| rcarrillocruz | lol | 14:59 |
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| fungi | i think what happened was that i queried the database for any changes in wip state, updated them to new state and then scripted a work in progress vote across all those change ids using the built-in "gerrit code review" pseudo-account with a suexec to make it come from the change owner | 15:02 |
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| zxiiro | fungi: thanks! | 15:04 |
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| mordred | jeblair: welp - there we go ... there is one thing that the new ovh cloud breaks in our code ... but it's actually our code that's broken and we know how to do the more better thing | 15:06 |
| mordred | Shrews, dguerri: ^^ | 15:06 |
| jeblair | mordred: what's the thing? | 15:06 |
| Shrews | ?? | 15:07 |
| Shrews | oh, the int vs. str thing? | 15:07 |
| fungi | rcarrillocruz: more notes from that maintenance https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/remaining-gerrit-upgrade-changes https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/J8WNqyP2dC | 15:07 |
| mordred | we determine the public ip via heuristics - including looking for "fixed == private and floating == public" | 15:07 |
| mordred | except - ovh gives a fixed public ip | 15:07 |
| mordred | which is happymaking | 15:07 |
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| jeblair | huzzah | 15:07 |
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| mordred | the _right_ way to do it is to look at the network that the ip is attached to and ask neutron if router:external == True | 15:08 |
| mordred | which I believe is either in flight or we've at least talked about it | 15:08 |
| dguerri | mordred: if the cloud uses neutron... | 15:09 |
| mordred | yes | 15:09 |
| dguerri | :( | 15:09 |
| mordred | if the cloud uses neutron | 15:09 |
| dguerri | lemme see that code | 15:09 |
| dguerri | can we use a matching against RFC nets? | 15:09 |
| mordred | dguerri: shade.meta.find_nova_addresses is the code in question | 15:09 |
| dguerri | thanks | 15:09 |
| mordred | dguerri: I'd rather use the cloud metadata | 15:09 |
| mordred | since it exist | 15:09 |
| mordred | exists | 15:09 |
| mordred | rather than guessing | 15:09 |
| dguerri | ack | 15:10 |
| Shrews | mordred: our shade py34 job is suddenly failing unknown reasons | 15:10 |
| mordred | sweet! | 15:10 |
| Shrews | http://logs.openstack.org/36/188636/5/check/gate-shade-python34/7bf031e/console.html#_2015-06-05_13_28_47_606 | 15:10 |
| Shrews | ERROR: actionid: py34 | 15:10 |
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| Shrews | ooh, functools? | 15:11 |
| Shrews | mordred: http://logs.openstack.org/36/188636/5/check/gate-shade-python34/7bf031e/tox/py34-1.log | 15:11 |
| Shrews | "This backport is for Python 2.7 only." | 15:12 |
| Shrews | fun | 15:12 |
| jeblair | dguerri, mordred: if the cloud does not use neutron and we have to guess, i'd say guessing against rfc nets is probably better than guessing based on 'fixed' and 'floating' | 15:12 |
| mordred | jeblair: indeed | 15:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ph. Marek proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Register a non-voting CI job for the DRBD Cinder driver. https://review.openstack.org/188744 | 15:13 |
| dguerri | jeblair: only trouble I see is that we have to match IPv6 too | 15:13 |
| dguerri | mordred: ^ | 15:13 |
| mordred | jeblair: oh - actually | 15:14 |
| mordred | for the one nova-net provider we have, we get "public" and "private" as the network names | 15:14 |
| fungi | rcarrillocruz: confirmed, my recollection of impersonated workflow -1 votes based on a database query for the old change status is indeed how i did it, though just added my account in project-bootstrappers and made sure that group had impersonate (suexec) permission http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra/%23openstack-infra.2014-04-28.log.html#t2014-04-28T21:25:31 | 15:14 |
| mordred | so, I think if we get those, awesome | 15:14 |
| jeblair | mordred: that seems okay | 15:14 |
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| mordred | and then we can troll metadata for neutron | 15:14 |
| jeblair | mordred: better than 'fixed' | 15:14 |
| mordred | yah | 15:14 |
| rcarrillocruz | checking :-) | 15:14 |
| mordred | fixed/floating is how you can guess about neutron networking without using the neutron api | 15:14 |
| mordred | it's not good, obvs | 15:15 |
| dguerri | mmmmh hold on, isn't that just an arbitrary name (private/public net names)? | 15:15 |
| mordred | yes | 15:15 |
| mordred | it is | 15:15 |
| mordred | however, if we find it, I think we can trust it | 15:15 |
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| waynr | electrical: wooo! what's your talk? | 15:15 |
| mordred | if we run up against a cloud using nova-network that uses different names - we'll just publicaly shame them | 15:15 |
| dguerri | lol... | 15:16 |
| fungi | rcarrillocruz: unfortunately i don't seem to have quoted exactly what queries and api calls i made anywhere, but that should be enough detail there to get you started | 15:16 |
| electrical | waynr: Puppet module testing with Beaker and Docker :-) | 15:16 |
| dguerri | but still I think it would be better to use RFC | 15:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Christopher Aedo proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Add Apps Site to System Config https://review.openstack.org/187863 | 15:16 |
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| mordred | dguerri: I don't - because this can also be used for private clouds | 15:16 |
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| mordred | and in those, the "public" address still may be RFC1918 | 15:17 |
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| mordred | devstack-gate, for instance | 15:17 |
| dguerri | mordred: jeblair if the main concern is to have a globally routable address | 15:17 |
| asselin__ | anteaya, pleia2 sorry....I wasn't planning to send those to the list...but I guess it's ok. | 15:17 |
| mordred | dguerri: it's not globally routable | 15:17 |
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| dguerri | mordred: ok, I see now. But then it would not be a public address | 15:17 |
| dguerri | so the user's query is wrong | 15:17 |
| mordred | dguerri: it's why the naing in neutron is better | 15:17 |
| krotscheck | mordred, jeblair: In the various JJB configs, is it possible ot set up a job group that only partially replaces variables? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188133/1/jenkins/jobs/javascript.yaml | 15:17 |
| mordred | dguerri: the naming in neutron is "router:external" | 15:18 |
| dguerri | if they ask for a public, we should give them a public address | 15:18 |
| dguerri | then ask me for an external address := | 15:18 |
| mordred | they aren't actually asking for a public address | 15:18 |
| mordred | :) | 15:18 |
| dguerri | not a public ! :) | 15:18 |
| mordred | sure | 15:18 |
| mordred | I think we could change the shade construct to be called external rather than public | 15:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack-infra/project-config: New project python-ironic-inspector-client https://review.openstack.org/188798 | 15:18 |
| dguerri | mordred: then you are 100% right sir :) | 15:19 |
| mordred | :) | 15:19 |
| fungi | yeah, for many years i fought at the provider where i worked to get all our sales and engineering documentation to not mention "private" and "public" ip addresses anywhere. terrible, terrible terminology | 15:19 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: i'm not sure i follow; can you elaborate on 'partial'? | 15:19 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: In that patch, I'm replaceing the 'command' variable, but not the 'name' variable | 15:20 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: oh, i see, iow "will that patch work"? | 15:20 |
| krotscheck | If I pull that job-group into, say, horizon, will that get picked up? | 15:20 |
| dguerri | mordred: I will take that. | 15:20 |
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| dguerri | mordred: but I need to get some neutron patches merged | 15:20 |
| fungi | particularly because you can have ip addresses from a globally routable assignment which are not actually reachable from the internet due to firewall rules or even air gaps. and conversely you can have rfc-1918 local addresses which _are_ reachable from the internet via 1:1 address translation | 15:20 |
| dguerri | shade o fcourse | 15:20 |
| mordred | dguerri: of course, by "change" I mean "add a new field to the metadata called external_ip" | 15:20 |
| dguerri | yep | 15:20 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: i believe so | 15:21 |
| mordred | fungi: yup | 15:21 |
| krotscheck | Neat :) | 15:21 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: That's awesome, thanks :) | 15:21 |
| dguerri | mordred: then public and private could be matched against RFC spec | 15:21 |
| mordred | they could - but as fungi says, I think they are now the terms you really want | 15:21 |
| mordred | not | 15:21 |
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| mordred | the real question is - "what ip do I use to access things from not-this-cloud" | 15:22 |
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| fungi | lots of customers would freak out on us when we assigned globally routable addresses to their database server for example, insisting that we use rfc-1918 addressing (and then add a nat so that they could manage them!) | 15:22 |
| mordred | again - internal private clouds being a great example | 15:22 |
| jeblair | fungi: ha! | 15:22 |
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| Taylor | hi | 15:23 |
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| dguerri | mordred: fungi ok, then | 15:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Roman Vasilets proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add Ironic services to Rally experomental pipeline https://review.openstack.org/187997 | 15:23 |
| fungi | dguerri: yeah, the terms "public" and "private" are overloaded and mean different things to different people. specificity is best | 15:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Add inventory command to shade https://review.openstack.org/175891 | 15:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Only add handlers to logging once https://review.openstack.org/188821 | 15:24 |
| mordred | jeblair: https://review.openstack.org/188821 I'm not 100% thrilled with - but I don't really have a better idea for a better pattern given shade use cases | 15:25 |
| fungi | dguerri: for rfc-1918 addressing, as an example, i found that terms like "non-unique local network assignment" worked best | 15:25 |
| mordred | jeblair: you're better at python logging objects though - suggestions? | 15:25 |
| dguerri | fungi: I understand now... of course better to be consistent with the assumption openstack users are more likely to make. | 15:26 |
| fungi | dguerri: and "globally unique network assignment" for non-rfc-1918 globally routable addresses | 15:26 |
| fungi | dguerri: and then keep the concept of whether your networks are functionally reachable or unreachable independent of the sort of addresses you assigned | 15:27 |
| jeblair | mordred: er, i think you should not have handlers in a library | 15:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Mathieu Rohon proposed openstack-infra/project-config: networking-bgpvpn: move from stackforge/ to openstack/ https://review.openstack.org/188822 | 15:27 |
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| jeblair | mordred: how are you running the code where you're seeing the problem? | 15:29 |
| jeblair | mordred: (left -1 with comments) | 15:29 |
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| jeblair | mordred: oh, 175891? | 15:30 |
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| jeblair | mordred: updated 175891 with suggestion as well | 15:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davide Guerri proposed openstack-infra/shade: Add Neutron/Nova Floating IP list/search/get https://review.openstack.org/183496 | 15:34 |
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| mordred | jeblair: oh! so you think I should set handlers in the calling application then? | 15:37 |
| dguerri | mordred: fungi. ok I am convinced. But now I am probably missing the issue that started this discussion, as current implementation uses fixed and floating | 15:37 |
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| dguerri | mordred: fungi can we assume floating are always external? | 15:37 |
| mordred | dguerri: no | 15:38 |
| mordred | dguerri: or, well, maybe? | 15:38 |
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| jeblair | mordred: yep, i think libraries should only send data to loggers, and it should be entirely up to the app as to how to use the data; and since you are adding an "application" to shade in the second patch, that's the place to do it. | 15:38 |
| dguerri | mordred: fungi I can't see another way! :S | 15:38 |
| mordred | jeblair: ok - so - quick sake of argument ... | 15:39 |
| jeblair | mordred: (so yes, 'handlers' and 'formatters', etc, should be entirely the province of apps, and libs should only call 'getLogger') | 15:39 |
| fungi | dguerri: "external" is another one of those overloaded terms. external to what? external to a tenant network? routed on a provider network? | 15:39 |
| mordred | jeblair: right now this works: | 15:39 |
| mordred | cloud = openstack_cloud(cloud=sys.argv[1], debug=True) | 15:39 |
| mordred | print cloud.get_flavor('100') | 15:39 |
| mordred | and it will happily print debugging information | 15:39 |
| kragniz | dhellmann: can the fixed up glanceclient release wait until next week? | 15:39 |
| dguerri | fungi: for the sake of this discussion I'd say public == external == reachable from outside the cloud | 15:39 |
| fungi | dguerri: and where do you see "fixed" addresses fitting into that dichotomy? | 15:40 |
| mordred | you're suggesting that instead that script should be the one that does "import logging; log = logging.get_logger('shade') ; log.set_level(logging.DEBUG)" ? | 15:40 |
| jeblair | mordred: debug= should not be a constructor arg to OpenStackCloud | 15:40 |
| mordred | hrm | 15:40 |
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| dhellmann | kragniz: if you prefer | 15:41 |
| jeblair | mordred: actually: "logging.basicConfig(level=logging.DEBUG); cloud=OpenStackCloud(sys.argv[1])" | 15:41 |
| mordred | nod | 15:41 |
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| mordred | that seems way less usable to me - but if that's the 'right' way to do it, ok | 15:41 |
| dguerri | fungi: eh that's a good question... but I can't see another way (apart from relying on net names). *usually* floating IPs are used for external reachability | 15:41 |
| jeblair | mordred: how is that less usable? | 15:42 |
| fungi | dguerri: for example, rackspace gives us a fixed address on our instances, and that address is globally routable and (if not blocked via packet filters) reachable from the entire internet | 15:42 |
| jeblair | mordred: it allows the calling context to completely define what to do with the logs, while still retaining the ability to "just print them to the screen" with one line of code. | 15:42 |
| fungi | dguerri: but i still think it's much better to separate the concepts of "reachable" from various places and whether that's accomplished by direct routing, address translation, et cetera | 15:42 |
| dguerri | fungi: that's why I was proposing using the globally routable interpretation of public ips | 15:43 |
| mordred | jeblair: I guess - it just seems opaque and confusing to me - but that's probably my issue and not a problem with the approach | 15:43 |
| fungi | dguerri: but are those addresses actually "public" if they're not reachable from the internet for other reasons? | 15:43 |
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| dguerri | fungi: eheh depends on your interpretation, I guess :) | 15:43 |
| dguerri | fungi: and that's bad.. I know | 15:44 |
| mordred | dguerri: well, _usually_ you use a floating ip because your cloud does not give you externally routable fixed ips | 15:44 |
| fungi | dguerri: say i want to run a database server in rackspace and i don't want it to be public... i firewall it. doesn't matter that its ip address is globally unique and routable on the internet and does not rely on address translation | 15:44 |
| dguerri | fungi: you are absolutely right: public is a vague concept | 15:44 |
| mordred | so I think yes, floating ip being an externally rouatable thing is a good assumption | 15:44 |
| mordred | fixed ip being non-routable is not a good assumption | 15:44 |
| dguerri | mordred: good point | 15:45 |
| mordred | so - first question is "did I get a fixed ip that can route externally" | 15:45 |
| mordred | if so, floating ip can be ignored | 15:45 |
| mordred | if not, floating ip is needed | 15:45 |
| dguerri | like it | 15:45 |
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| dguerri | mordred: but still it can be firewalled as fungi pointed out... we can't do much about that, tho | 15:46 |
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| mordred | no, that's outside of the concept of this | 15:46 |
| dguerri | yep | 15:46 |
| dguerri | so public != reachable | 15:46 |
| dguerri | just potentially reachable :) | 15:46 |
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| jeblair | mordred: it's pretty simple -- libraries should not have to care about where logs go. they just send log data into the logging system. apps decide where log data goes (to the screen? to a log file? to /dev/null?). the logging module provides a lot of complex ways apps can choose to format and route data, but it also provides a simple one-liner (basicConfig) for the "just print them out" case. | 15:47 |
| mordred | jeblair: totally - I hear that. the problem is probably that I've been fighting the 100 openstack libraries and what I want to do is "print out the debug messages from shade and not the 100 bazillion messages from the other libraries" | 15:48 |
| mordred | jeblair: but I want to do that in literally every script I write | 15:48 |
| jeblair | mordred: if, contrary to that, libraries do something more that just submit log data (ie, if they try to format it or output it), there is nothing the app writer can do to stop it. if i used shade in an app like gertty, it would just start printing things to the screen randomly and i would have no way to stop that. | 15:49 |
| jeblair | mordred: oh, so you probably need a little bit more sophisticated logging config | 15:49 |
| mordred | so having every script have to do the same 5 lines of setup is a bit bong | 15:49 |
| jeblair | mordred: and you might want to do that for the inventory script | 15:49 |
| mordred | jeblair: how about a helper method in shade that a thing can call if it wants to that will set up the "this is probably what you want for console debug logging for your scripts" but that is opt-in ? | 15:49 |
| jeblair | mordred: what other scripts are there? it looked like the inventory was the first | 15:50 |
| mordred | harlowja | 15:50 |
| mordred | gah | 15:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mordred, yay! re credentials :) | 15:50 |
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| mordred | jeblair: I have like 20 scripts on my laptop right now | 15:50 |
| jeblair | i was pretty sure he was a script | 15:50 |
| mordred | jeblair: :) | 15:50 |
| mordred | jeblair: and I write little tiny one-off scripts to do tasks or to test things constantly | 15:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/requirements: Block oslo.messaging 1.12.0 https://review.openstack.org/187808 | 15:51 |
| mordred | so having to add complex logging invocations to those makes the library harder to use ... (although I totally grok and now agree with your argument) | 15:51 |
| jeblair | mordred: you could do that; especially if you expect shade to grow more scripts, it makes sense for them to use a shared helper method that could be public. for your own bevy of scripts you might also consider having logging loads its config from a file; i think that can be a one liner, and the complexity is in the file. | 15:52 |
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| mordred | jeblair: nod. although I don't want to come to rely on a complex local file to produce the thing that folks are likely to want, otherwise I'll be blind to potential end-user pain ... I'll try a helper method real quick and see how that looks/feels | 15:53 |
| jeblair | mordred: okay, though many apps are unlikely to use that helper method -- nodepool won't, since it has its own logging config file. | 15:55 |
| mordred | jeblair: totally! | 15:55 |
| mordred | jeblair: it's really more a helper method for simple scripts | 15:55 |
| mordred | not for complex applications | 15:55 |
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| flip214 | asselin__: fungi: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188744/ is all-green, would you please take a look? Thanks. | 16:00 |
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| jeblair | leakypipes: can you provide clarity on https://review.openstack.org/173289 ? It has a -1 from someone who seems to be involved in the project. | 16:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Roman Vasilets proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add Ironic services to Rally experomental pipeline https://review.openstack.org/187997 | 16:07 |
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| thingee | dhellmann: let me post a patch for the release log update for cinderclient and then I'll do the tag release? | 16:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for busted jsonschema 2.5.0 release https://review.openstack.org/188826 | 16:10 |
| jeblair | i just set the topic of a bunch of rename changes to 'project-rename' | 16:11 |
| fungi | thingee: i think the glance_store devs weren't in a rush. it's worth considering whether releasing on a friday is justified ;) | 16:11 |
| jeblair | i don't know if i got them all, but i figured that may be helpful | 16:11 |
| fungi | jeblair: thanks! | 16:11 |
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| thingee | fungi: true. my night is just about done here in tel aviv ... got my dancing shoes ready. ;) | 16:12 |
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| kragniz | thingee: it's okay to release next week | 16:14 |
| thingee | kragniz: excellent, I will make a reminder now | 16:14 |
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| leakypipes | jeblair: looking... | 16:21 |
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| sigmavirus24 | So is there a way to check the wheel that we're building for our PyPI mirrors? The JSONSchema wheel is causing errors on glanceclient's 3.4 test environment | 16:22 |
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| sigmavirus24 | I suspect it's a wheel metadata issue but I can't get the wheel we're building to verify | 16:22 |
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| fungi | sigmavirus24: what do you mean by "wheel that we're building for our PyPI mirrors?" we upload wheels to pypi.python.org and then mirror that via bandersnatch | 16:23 |
| krotscheck | Anyone know if there's a good virtualbox image for either CentOS or a redhatty derivative out there? | 16:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | fungi: it's a dependency, the jsonschema library is installing a wheel from pypi.dfw.openstack.org | 16:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | There's no wheel on PyPI for jsonschema so I'm guessing that we're building the wheel | 16:23 |
| fungi | sigmavirus24: yeah, that should be identical to what's on pypi.python.org | 16:23 |
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| leakypipes | jeblair: so, I believe that change can be abandoned. | 16:23 |
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| sigmavirus24 | fungi: http://logs.openstack.org/81/155581/33/check/gate-python-glanceclient-python34/0fbd94a/console.html#_2015-06-05_15_51_10_969 looks like we're getting a wheel somehow | 16:24 |
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| leakypipes | jeblair: I believe the Mirantis team doing that work is still working on a separate repo under the Mirantis github org, and perhaps eventually they will resubmit that patch along with a seed repo pointing to the github.com/Mirantis/ thing. but who knows how long that will take, so feel free to abandon that patch. | 16:24 |
| fungi | sigmavirus24: http://pypi.dfw.openstack.org/simple/jsonschema/ looks like https://pypi.python.org/simple/jsonschema/ to me | 16:24 |
| fungi | sigmavirus24: there are jsonschema wheels on pypi.python.org | 16:25 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Not for 2.5.0 which is what that log says it's installing fungi | 16:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Roman Vasilets proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add Ironic services to Rally experomental pipeline https://review.openstack.org/187997 | 16:25 |
| jeblair | leakypipes: thanks; can you paste that into the review, and i'll abandon? | 16:25 |
| sigmavirus24 | fungi: this is quite bizarre | 16:25 |
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| fungi | sigmavirus24: http://pypi.dfw.openstack.org/packages/py2.py3/j/jsonschema/jsonschema-2.5.0-py2.py3-none-any.whl gives me a 404 | 16:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | fungi: me too | 16:27 |
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| sigmavirus24 | which is why it's bizarre that our gate job was successfully installing it before | 16:27 |
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| fungi | 2015-06-05 15:55:02,623 INFO: Removing deleted file /srv/static/mirror/web/packages/py2.py3/j/jsonschema/jsonschema-2.5.0-py2.py3-none-any.whl | 16:27 |
| fungi | that's from our bandersnatch log | 16:27 |
| fungi | looks like the author deleted it from pypi | 16:27 |
| flip214 | asselin__: re contact info: if I put a single person in there, and she is on vacation, that's bad. | 16:28 |
| flip214 | so can I simply put (only) a shared email address there, too? | 16:28 |
| fungi | sigmavirus24: https://github.com/Julian/jsonschema/issues/228 | 16:28 |
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| kragniz | fungi: ah, good find | 16:28 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Experimental job for Nova API services under Apache2 https://review.openstack.org/182753 | 16:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | fungi: yeah missed that | 16:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | kragniz: we'll do another recheck then | 16:29 |
| asselin__ | flip214, I guess you can comma separate? | 16:29 |
| kragniz | sigmavirus24: ++ | 16:29 |
| fungi | i expect it will get the 2.5.0 sdist tarball this time | 16:29 |
| kragniz | fungi: thanks for the help | 16:29 |
| kragniz | (again!) | 16:30 |
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| flip214 | asselin__: "name: A B C, D E F" "email: a@xy, b@xy"? | 16:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | Sorry for the noise fungi | 16:30 |
| fungi | sigmavirus24: kragniz: no worries--glad i could help! now if only i can find time to work on my own bugs ;) | 16:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | fungi: which bugs? | 16:31 |
| asselin__ | flip214, honestly, this is a new feature. jeblair fungi? re contact info in jenkin jobs ^^ | 16:31 |
| fungi | sigmavirus24: updating some of my ~hundred open gerrit changes to deal with the negative reviews on them | 16:31 |
| fungi | asselin__: it's just a string that gets echoed in the job via a builder macro, so pretty arbitrary really | 16:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Ph. Marek proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Register a non-voting CI job for the DRBD Cinder driver. https://review.openstack.org/188744 | 16:32 |
| flip214 | asselin__: ^^, with me as a first approximation. | 16:32 |
| flip214 | if we have that running we might want to change that to some group of people. | 16:32 |
| jeblair | fungi, asselin__, flip214: yeah, it's free form | 16:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ph. Marek proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Register a non-voting CI job for the DRBD Cinder driver. https://review.openstack.org/188744 | 16:35 |
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| zaro | morning | 16:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Extract logging config into a helper function https://review.openstack.org/188821 | 16:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Use logging helper function in helper functions https://review.openstack.org/188845 | 16:37 |
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| mordred | jeblair: how does that look for something to potentialy solve the two different use cases? | 16:37 |
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| mordred | jeblair: also: https://goo.gl/7K2u1o dguerri` made two different flow charts | 16:40 |
| mordred | hrm. | 16:41 |
| jeblair | mordred: i don't understand what's going on with the keystone and ironic logging in that... | 16:41 |
| mordred | jeblair: well, keystoneclient has broken logging that spews garbage in normal usage | 16:41 |
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| jeblair | mordred: because it looks like the only logger that should have a handler is shade | 16:41 |
| mordred | jeblair: I've been meaning to fix it , but have not yet | 16:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Added npm-run jobs to refstack. https://review.openstack.org/185731 | 16:42 |
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| jeblair | mordred, dguerri`: that link says "Gone" | 16:42 |
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| mordred | jeblair: yes - it now seems to be unhapy - let me try something | 16:43 |
| mordred | oh - nevermind. let me not try something | 16:43 |
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| mordred | let me try dguerri` re-uploading it when he gets back | 16:43 |
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| jeblair | mordred: so my understanding of the shade change is imperfect; i expect that the last 3 lines of that function should means than only shade things are sent to stderr, everything else is unhandled | 16:44 |
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| jeblair | mordred: but you're saying that even with merely those three lines, keystone and ironic output stuff? | 16:44 |
| mordred | jeblair: yes. that is correct and is the intent | 16:44 |
| mordred | jeblair: yes | 16:44 |
| mordred | jeblair: well, keystone does for sure - I haven't run any ironic commands recently, so I have not verified that - it's possible the ironic lines aren't needed anymore | 16:45 |
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| jeblair | mordred: i would like to reproduce this locally. how should i do so? | 16:46 |
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| yolanda | jeblair, i started progress on nodepool patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188325/ | 16:47 |
| yolanda | will poke on nodepool code at the weekend | 16:47 |
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| mordred | jeblair: let me make you a small test case | 16:48 |
| * jeblair is a small test case | 16:48 | |
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| jeblair | yolanda: that puppet change lgtm! | 16:50 |
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| mordred | jeblair: hrm. ok. I must have been doing SOMETHING wrong before - because I cannot reproduce in a small test case - let me dig further and get back to you | 16:51 |
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| yolanda | that was the easy bit :) | 16:51 |
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| flip214 | jeblair: May I ask you for a final workflow +1 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188744, pretty please? | 16:54 |
| jeblair | mordred: okay, if this is helpful, my theory is that the last 3 lines are sufficient for what you want (however, that will make error log lines from the libraries, so we still may want something more complicated in the future) | 16:54 |
| jeblair | flip214, asselin__, fungi: do we need a cinder sign-off on that? or is the cinder core team/ptl expecting this job to be added? | 16:55 |
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| mordred | jeblair: what do you mean by "make error lines from the libraries" ? | 16:56 |
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| asselin__ | jeblair, would be good to get cinder sign off.... | 16:56 |
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| fungi | jeblair: i wasn't going to approve without thingee or some cinder cores leaving a +1 on that (which is why in a previous patchset i recommended splitting teh fix and the job addition for cinder into separate changes) | 16:56 |
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| flip214 | jeblair: just asking thingee on -cinder about that. | 16:56 |
| asselin__ | jeblair, thingee said should be ok for opensource projects, but best to wait for his +1 | 16:57 |
| jeblair | mordred: if keystoneclient emits an error log line it will be masked by your config | 16:57 |
| mordred | yes | 16:57 |
| mordred | jeblair: and I agree - there actually tend to be two levels of debugging I tend to do | 16:57 |
| asselin__ | jeblair, * opensource cinder driver & backend solutions | 16:57 |
| mordred | jeblair: one is "debug shade" one is "zomg wth please show me all the requests,underlying libraries,traces,etc" | 16:57 |
| * thingee is checking | 16:57 | |
| mordred | jeblair: also, I'm almost never happy with the second - because each underlying lib does request tracing slightly differently | 16:58 |
| mordred | jeblair: but having a "please enable the crazy tracing" with that figured out would be uber helpful as a next step | 16:58 |
| mordred | jeblair: ok. I now agree with your theory - the extra lines are not neeed | 16:59 |
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| thingee | jeblair, fungi, flip214 done | 16:59 |
| thingee | asselin__: | 16:59 |
| jeblair | flip214: and done | 17:00 |
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| flip214 | hooray! thanks a lot, everybody! | 17:01 |
| pleia2 | crinkle: picking back up on nodepool stuff, you put a sleep at the end of prepare_node_ubuntu.sh? | 17:01 |
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| fungi | i love it when a plan comes together | 17:01 |
| asselin__ | thingee, hi | 17:02 |
| thingee | asselin__: that was meant as ping that I responded to the review | 17:02 |
| jeblair | mordred: i don't follow your reasoning in https://review.openstack.org/188845 | 17:02 |
| thingee | asselin__: cryptic fridays | 17:02 |
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| asselin__ | thingee, ok thanks | 17:02 |
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| mordred | jeblair: openstack_cloud() is supposed to be a simple helper function to get a working thing in one step - so I'm suggesting that it should also do the simple logging setup for a one-stop-shop approach. however, I did split it into a follow on patch because I don't feel strongly about it | 17:04 |
| fungi | pleia2: was your question why a sleep is needed in node prep scripts, or is the sleep in that script redundant with another elsewhere in another prep script which is already being called from that one? | 17:04 |
| mordred | jeblair: I don't expect things like nodepool to use it | 17:05 |
| pleia2 | fungi: she said she put a sleep in a script and I think things worked | 17:05 |
| pleia2 | need to hop on an outreachy call, bbs | 17:05 |
| fungi | pleia2: we put a sync and sleep 5 at the end of our prep scripts so that the filesystem is written before nova shuts down the template instance | 17:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Extract logging config into a helper function https://review.openstack.org/188821 | 17:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Use logging helper function in helper functions https://review.openstack.org/188845 | 17:06 |
| jeblair | mordred: okay, i think that it is useful to have a simple interface to the library that is still usable in all cases, but the logging addition restricts its use (and non-obviously), so i would prefer not to have it. | 17:06 |
| mordred | there's the first patch fixed | 17:06 |
| jeblair | 1st lgtm | 17:07 |
| mordred | jeblair: k. I'll move the second over to teh side - I'd still like to argue about it at some point, but maybe over beer | 17:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Register a non-voting CI job for the DRBD Cinder driver. https://review.openstack.org/188744 | 17:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Add inventory command to shade https://review.openstack.org/175891 | 17:11 |
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| mordred | oops. I should consume the function ... | 17:12 |
| mordred | jeblair: if you have time for another logging related noodling ... | 17:14 |
| jeblair | mordred: of course | 17:14 |
| mordred | jeblair: there is another granularity issue ... which is that when we mask underlying exceptions, we debug log them | 17:14 |
| mordred | jeblair: often times though, catching an exception inside of shade is an expected thing | 17:15 |
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| mordred | jeblair: so turning on debugging to see a trace of activity and real errors all of a sudden gets a bunch fo tracebacks you don't care about | 17:15 |
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| Odd_Bloke | Hello all, we're looking to add test coverage as a gate for cloud-init; at the moment, we're planning on integrating it in to our normal test runs. | 17:16 |
| mordred | (a good example is that in get_server_vars, we try to get a list of volumes for a server, and if it fails because the cloud doesn't have cinder, that's ok, we move on) | 17:16 |
| Odd_Bloke | However, harlowja has pointed out that there is a cloud-init-coverage Jenkins job, and it might be good to use that. | 17:16 |
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| harlowja | sup | 17:16 |
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| harlowja | ha | 17:16 |
| mordred | jeblair: I'm getting really picky here, mind you - mainly trying to get to the right level of verbosity without hiding things but without drowning | 17:16 |
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| Odd_Bloke | Can someone point me at some information about how to use that (assuming, of course, that it will do what we want)? | 17:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Add inventory command to shade https://review.openstack.org/175891 | 17:17 |
| jeblair | mordred: i guess the problem is when the cloud actually has cinder :) | 17:17 |
| mordred | yah. | 17:17 |
| jeblair | mordred: and you need that exception to tell you why it's not working | 17:17 |
| mordred | I mean, I guess in this place what I should do is make sure there is a "do you have cinder" call that doesn't exception | 17:17 |
| mordred | which I think I could do | 17:17 |
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| mordred | so maybe this isn't a general problem, but an indication of a place where I could structure somethign better | 17:18 |
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| fungi | Odd_Bloke: it basically runs your py27 unit tests and calculates a coverage report based on what transpires | 17:18 |
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| Odd_Bloke | fungi: So if we want to gate on py34 coverage as well, we're better off just doing it ourselves in test runs? | 17:19 |
| mordred | ah - it actually may be a keystone thing that's thwarting me here | 17:19 |
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| fungi | Odd_Bloke: well, i'm pretty sure in your tox.ini you can adjust what that coverage job uses as its basis | 17:20 |
| jeblair | mordred: probably so; i mean to generalize: we should provide correct error messages to users when we know them. when we catch an exception that we are expecting (not my favorite pattern; probably only things like EOFError or something should really fit this bill), no need to log it; but when an unexpected exception happens, we shouldn't mask it from the user because it's usually the lowest level one that actually provides the answer | 17:20 |
| mordred | yah | 17:20 |
| mordred | jeblair: I agree | 17:20 |
| jeblair | mordred: of course, that's in contradiction with "shade should abstract exception classes of underlying libs" which is why we have the debug compromise | 17:20 |
| mordred | jeblair: so , I think in this case, there is a specific exception from keystone I can catch "endpointnotfoudn" | 17:21 |
| mordred | and catching that doesn't really need a debug traceback - it means that there is not an endpoint matchign that key in teh service catalog | 17:21 |
| mordred | _why_ there isn't one will not be illuminated by the keystone traceback | 17:21 |
| jeblair | mordred: perhaps so, but maybe carry over the full text of the error itself in case there is additional information | 17:22 |
| mordred | yah | 17:22 |
| jeblair | (in case it shows up as "EndpointNotFound: disabled in policy.json" or something) | 17:22 |
| mordred | jeblair: hahahah. you're so optimistic | 17:22 |
| mordred | jeblair: it'll likely say "EndpointNotFound: I like ice cream, why don't you have some" | 17:23 |
| mordred | but yeah | 17:23 |
| jeblair | mordred: now who's optimistic? | 17:24 |
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| crinkle | pleia2: I was using a custom script, but yes | 17:25 |
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| mordred | jeblair: ooh! ok - this has led me to make a thing look nicer - patch coming | 17:28 |
| mordred | jeblair: I think basically it's just going to be an ongoing process of when we find tracebacks annoying rather than helpful, managing that | 17:29 |
| mordred | jeblair: since ultimately it's a human judgement call on each one | 17:29 |
| Odd_Bloke | fungi: python-jobs.yaml has a list of builders | 17:30 |
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| pleia2 | crinkle: aha! it made me realize I lacked the sleep 5 in my script for some reason, now it works as it should, I'll update the example to handle the home directory issue | 17:30 |
| Odd_Bloke | for coverage that includes "coverage"; does that mean that tox will just be called with '-e coverage'? | 17:30 |
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| crinkle | pleia2: woot \o/ | 17:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Don't emit volume tracebacks in inventory debug https://review.openstack.org/188871 | 17:31 |
| mordred | jeblair: like that ^^ | 17:31 |
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| mordred | jeblair: I now get a helpful line: Endpoint not found: public endpoint for volumes service in RegionOne region not found | 17:32 |
| mordred | lemme add cloud name in there ... | 17:32 |
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| Odd_Bloke | fungi: It does; I've found the jjb docs now to help me understand. | 17:33 |
| fungi | Odd_Bloke: yeah, it calls tox -e cover which should be an env in your tox.ini | 17:33 |
| jeblair | mordred: that looks sensible | 17:34 |
| fungi | Odd_Bloke: also that depends on a coverage option in your setup.py, unless you're using pbr in which case it will provide a hook for that implicitly | 17:34 |
| mordred | jeblair: I'm going to nudge the string slightly - but cool! | 17:34 |
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| Odd_Bloke | fungi: We are using pbr. :) | 17:35 |
| mordred | Endpoint not found in monty cloud: public endpoint for volumes service in region-b.geo-1 region not found | 17:35 |
| mordred | jeblair: new string ^^ (when running across multiple clouds, including the cloud name in the output is handy) | 17:35 |
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| mordred | jeblair: in fact, I have a hunch we may want to go add cloud name to a lot of the log messages once we start using more things in nodepool | 17:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Don't emit volume tracebacks in inventory debug https://review.openstack.org/188871 | 17:36 |
| mordred | Shrews, SpamapS: ^^ I thinkn we're in good shape in that stack now | 17:36 |
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| fungi | Odd_Bloke: should be fairly easy to solve for in that case... looking closer at what pbr does, i think you can just override something in a .coveragerc file | 17:37 |
| dhellmann | thingee: a release sounds good if you're comfortable with the timing | 17:38 |
| Odd_Bloke | fungi: I'm struggling to see how we would run it for both py27 and py34; the coverage job just calls 'tox -e cover'. | 17:39 |
| dhellmann | thingee: ah, saw the follow up where you're going to wait ++ | 17:39 |
| Odd_Bloke | So tox will create either a Python 2 or a Python 3 venv (I assume the former), and then use that. | 17:39 |
| thingee | Yeah if people are saying there's no rush, happy to do it first thing Monday. | 17:39 |
| thingee | dhellmann: ^ | 17:39 |
| Odd_Bloke | (If I understand it correctly) | 17:39 |
| fungi | Odd_Bloke: you might be able to pass additional options to coverage and have multiple commands for the cover env in your tox.ini. i missed that you wanted to generate a coverage report for multiple python interpreters | 17:39 |
| dhellmann | thingee: ++ | 17:40 |
| thingee | To not upset people on a Friday. :) | 17:40 |
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| SpamapS | mordred: Jenkins disagrees? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175891/40 | 17:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Elizabeth K. Joseph proposed openstack-infra/nodepool: Document running Nodepool for testing https://review.openstack.org/179840 | 17:40 |
| pleia2 | crinkle: should be good now ^^ | 17:41 |
| fungi | Odd_Bloke: i was thinking you meant you just wanted to change the default python interpreter used for the coverage job (in which case i agree that would have to be overridden in tox.ini; perhaps what you need is two cover envs in tox.ini and a second coverage job which calls the other env) | 17:41 |
| mordred | SpamapS: jenkins just has it in for me | 17:42 |
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| Odd_Bloke | fungi: Yeah, given that we want to gate on this, I think it might make sense to just roll it in to our regular test jobs. | 17:42 |
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| asselin | patrickeast, btw, jeblair pointed me earlier (see scrollback) to the solution to the zuul/jenkins url issue we discussed yesterday. Go to jenkins system configuration and update the URL there "Jenkins Location Jenkins URL" | 17:46 |
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| patrickeast | asselin: oo nice | 17:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Extract logging config into a helper function https://review.openstack.org/188821 | 17:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Don't emit volume tracebacks in inventory debug https://review.openstack.org/188871 | 17:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Add inventory command to shade https://review.openstack.org/175891 | 17:47 |
| mordred | SpamapS: ok. maybe now it will not hate me | 17:47 |
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| electrical | nibalizer: crinkle will be good to meet you both at puppetconf finally :-) | 17:50 |
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| nibalizer | yup | 17:50 |
| krotscheck | How does the application of a a job group work re: different pipelines? If I add python-jobs to a project, does that automatically add them to check and gate? | 17:50 |
| nibalizer | i think pyhton-jobs is a zuul template | 17:50 |
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| nibalizer | which are defined near the top of the zuul layout.yaml file | 17:50 |
| mordred | krotscheck: yah - there are two different templating concepts here | 17:50 |
| mordred | krotscheck: one is in jjb - the job-group - and that just creates the jobs | 17:51 |
| nibalizer | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/zuul/layout.yaml#n243 | 17:51 |
| mordred | krotscheck: the other is what nibalizer is talking about - which is where we can have templates of pipeline associations | 17:51 |
| nibalizer | fwiw I've been doing this for like a year, literally professionally, and it still confuses me a lot | 17:51 |
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| mordred | it's one of the things that should get better in zuulv3 | 17:52 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so hypothetically speaking: | 17:52 |
| nibalizer | mordred: ++ | 17:52 |
| krotscheck | I create a job group that creates a few jobs from existing job templates. ex: gate-{{project}}-npm-run-test | 17:52 |
| krotscheck | I then go into the zuul layout and add a -name: npm-jobs with the appropriate pipelines into which those jobs go. | 17:53 |
| krotscheck | And then I go into my project and say: template: -name: npm-jobs | 17:53 |
| krotscheck | And that'll do it? | 17:53 |
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| nibalizer | are you sure you need a job group? | 17:56 |
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| nibalizer | you might be able to get away with just a normal job | 17:56 |
| nibalizer | i've seen jjb templates/groups mostly used, for instance, to test against multiple versions of puppet | 17:56 |
| krotscheck | nibalizer: I'm starting to think that | 17:57 |
| nibalizer | so maybe walking a list of npm versions is what you're after | 17:57 |
| nibalizer | at any rate, starting with a jenkins/jobs/node.yaml thats as simple as possible is a good idea | 17:57 |
| nibalizer | or maybe you want to call it js.yaml im not sure | 17:57 |
| krotscheck | nibalizer: We already have javascript.yaml | 17:57 |
| mordred | krotscheck: but yes - the thing yuo said above does sound correct | 17:57 |
| mordred | and you already have an npm-jobs group, that does 2 things, iirc, right? | 17:58 |
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| mordred | krotscheck: then yeah - I would suggest adding a template to zuul/layout.yaml that puts those thigns in the right pipelines, and consume it per repo with template: -name: npm-jobs or whatnot | 17:58 |
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| krotscheck | mordred: It's not merged. | 17:59 |
| mordred | krotscheck: well, by "have" I meant in the patch you're working on | 17:59 |
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| krotscheck | mordred: Right, but why do I actually need a jobs-group? | 18:02 |
| krotscheck | Feels like I can configure all that in the template. | 18:02 |
| nibalizer | jeblair: yolanda so we abandoned 187165? I liked that change... | 18:02 |
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| chris6131 | I'm having a Zull (2.0.0.394) <> Gerrit (2.5.1) problem. The zuul logs show KeyError: 'commitMessage' in response to a "gerrit query" command. The structure returned from gerrit doesn't appear to include the commitMessage field unless you specifically ask for it by adding the --commit-message flag. Is this a bug or am I missing some config somewhere that makes this default? | 18:05 |
| mordred | krotscheck: well, the group is there in your current patch to allow you to reference both run-lint and run-test | 18:05 |
| mordred | krotscheck: which is a good use of a job-group | 18:05 |
| mordred | so that each of the uses of it for different projects can just use npm-jobs in their jjb | 18:06 |
| mordred | krotscheck: you still have to create gate-horizon-npm-run-test and gate-horizon-npm-run-lint in jjb ultimate- then they exist and can be associated with different pipelines in which to run in layout.yaml | 18:07 |
| openstackgerrit | David Shrewsbury proposed openstack-infra/shade: Port ironic client port.get() to a Task https://review.openstack.org/188882 | 18:08 |
| krotscheck | This seems like an awful lot of configuration. | 18:08 |
| Shrews | TheJulia: please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/188882 when you get a chance | 18:09 |
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| mordred | krotscheck: yah. it's very verbose right now - it's one of the reasons for the zuul v3 work coming up | 18:10 |
| mordred | krotscheck: part of the reason is that the job data model is tied to how jenkins views the world, which is increasingly not helpful to us | 18:11 |
| TheJulia | Shrews: will do | 18:11 |
| mordred | krotscheck: there is, for instance, no real need for us to have a gate-horizon-npm-run-lint from our POV and what we REALLY want is a job called "npm-run-lint" | 18:12 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: yeah, current plan is summarized in commit msg of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188325/ | 18:12 |
| mordred | krotscheck: but beacuse jenkins, we need instantiate one per project | 18:12 |
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| sridhar_ram1 | AJaeger: ping | 18:13 |
| mordred | krotscheck: which is to say "yes, I agree, and we hope to have that fixed this cycle" | 18:13 |
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| nibalizer | jeblair: okay cool | 18:15 |
| openstackgerrit | David Shrewsbury proposed openstack-infra/shade: Port ironic client port.get_by_address() to a Task https://review.openstack.org/188885 | 18:15 |
| Shrews | TheJulia: also, https://review.openstack.org/188885 is related | 18:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/lodgeit: Update i18n files https://review.openstack.org/177102 | 18:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/lodgeit: Remove out-of-date paragraph from the 'not found' page https://review.openstack.org/177103 | 18:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/lodgeit: Replace .hgignore with .gitignore https://review.openstack.org/175260 | 18:19 |
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| sridhar_ram | AJaeger: can you please take another look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186161/ I think it is finally ready! | 18:20 |
| sridhar_ram | anteaya: thanks for reviewing this one | 18:21 |
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| mordred | wow. we landed patches to lodgeit? | 18:21 |
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| nibalizer | mordred: crinkle yolanda is anyone working on the patch to project-config to create the os-client-config puppet module mentioned in 188305 ? I can do it but I don't want to step on anyones toes | 18:22 |
| * crinkle not | 18:22 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Added javascript job template, included in refstack. https://review.openstack.org/188133 | 18:23 |
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| krotscheck | mordred: So, that ^^ ? | 18:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add beaker-localhost and beaker-nodepool hypervisors https://review.openstack.org/185754 | 18:25 |
| mrodden | would this be the best place to ask pbr/setuptools related questions? | 18:25 |
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| mrodden | wondering if this is a crazy idea... i have a wsgi app that is currenlty using pbr and wondering if it would be a smart thing or terribly dumb to use the pbr setup_hooks to have it generate the sphinx doc and put it in my module so the wsgi can serve it as staic files | 18:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Switched horizon to use npm job templates. https://review.openstack.org/188886 | 18:29 |
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| fungi | jeblair: there is a proposed plan for the sub-tree cores idea posted at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/066036.html if you want to follow up on whether that matches the plan you recommended in irc earlier | 18:37 |
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| pleia2 | the committer said they are running in production with these changes, anyone with more python-brains have thoughts? I don't want to break paste.o.o on a friday :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175259/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128895/ | 18:40 |
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| dguerri | jeblair: mordred fungi : #2 is my fav. But what happens if user just has not *yet* attached a floating IP? shall we check floating IP extension availability? http://i.imgur.com/G9TShkM.png | 18:46 |
| fungi | pleia2: i think those changes will be a no-op on paste.o.o since our puppet doesn't make use of any of what's being changed there | 18:46 |
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| fungi | pleia2: i'm happy to approve those | 18:46 |
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| fungi | pleia2: if you look at the lodgeit module's init class you'll see we do custom dep management there anyway | 18:47 |
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| pleia2 | fungi: aha, I only looked as far as to confirm we were actually pulling in that code in the manifest | 18:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/lodgeit: Install pillow instead of PIL https://review.openstack.org/128895 | 18:48 |
| pleia2 | fungi: thanks for having a look | 18:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/lodgeit: Use SQLAlchemy version 0.9.7 https://review.openstack.org/175259 | 18:49 |
| pleia2 | and merging \o/ | 18:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/lodgeit: Add a requirements.txt file https://review.openstack.org/175262 | 18:49 |
| fungi | pleia2: with those changes, we could reasonably consider to update the puppet module to pip install the source via a subscribed exec | 18:49 |
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| * pleia2 nods | 18:50 | |
| jeblair | fungi: i feel like any response would be repeating myself, which is not something i enjoy. | 18:50 |
| mordred | mrodden: you should not need to do that | 18:51 |
| mrodden | mordred, what would you suggest instead? | 18:51 |
| mordred | mrodden: although I DO have a patch to pbr outstanding to have it notice when sphinx built stuff is there and to include it in the tarball | 18:51 |
| mrodden | yeah that would be awesome | 18:52 |
| fungi | jeblair: fair enough. i've stepped out of that thread at this point, as well as the inflammatory second thread | 18:52 |
| mordred | mrodden: so - we may need to expand that patch ^^ but "python setup.py build_sphinx sdist" is a way to build sphinx before running sdist | 18:52 |
| jeblair | fungi: that also makes me disinclined to participate | 18:52 |
| fungi | you and me both | 18:52 |
| mrodden | mordred, so basically, adjust my target build order and make sure my doc/build/html is getting picked up and put into the tarball | 18:53 |
| mordred | mrodden: we may need to poke a little to make sure it does the right thing | 18:53 |
| mordred | mrodden: yah | 18:53 |
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| mordred | mrodden: and, once I've got that solid in pbr - I want to make all of our sdist jobs do that - it gets us sphinx built manpages being useful to | 18:53 |
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| mrodden | mordred, yeah that would be nice too | 18:54 |
| mrodden | i just like how Gerrit includes its documentation alongside the app, which i was trying to mimic | 18:54 |
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| mordred | mrodden: yah | 18:59 |
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| fungi | mrodden: it seems like a really cool idea. i can see that being useful especially for python-based webapps | 19:00 |
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| mrodden | fungi, yeah, i mean RTD is cool, but why not just host the HTML with the app | 19:01 |
| mordred | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184899/ <-- fungi, mrodden is the current patch for manpages | 19:01 |
| mordred | something similar for html seems completely sane | 19:01 |
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| fungi | that's an awesome addition too | 19:02 |
| fungi | though i don't currently have bandwidth to take it over and address the current -1 | 19:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Switched horizon to use npm job templates. https://review.openstack.org/188886 | 19:40 |
| Odd_Bloke | What version of tox do the build slaves use? | 19:41 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Odd_Bloke: 2.0.* at the moment iirc | 19:45 |
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| chris6131 | Is there a more correct channel for Zuul support if I'm running it internally and not really part of openstack-infra? | 19:49 |
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| fungi | i have to disappear for a while, but will bbl | 19:50 |
| fungi | a few hours at least | 19:50 |
| pleia2 | chris6131: you can try asking on the openstack-infra mailing list, but you've caught us on a friday and a lot of folks in channel here have drifted off for the weekend, or are otherwise busy with other things | 19:50 |
| abitha | I am using os_image module to upload an image to glance and having issues to figure out the right path for the image file to exist. should it exist in some specific path in ansible project , or should it be copied manually to the target machine and ran from there? | 19:51 |
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| mordred | abitha: copied manually to the target machine | 19:52 |
| mordred | abitha: the path is given local to the machine os_image is run on | 19:52 |
| mordred | abitha: out of curiousity - why not just run os_image on the same machine the image exist on? (wanting to understand use cases) | 19:53 |
| chris6131 | pleia2: Sure, was just making sure I'm in the right place :) | 19:54 |
| abitha | @mordred yes thats the use case. but in case if we want to run it in a remote machine , the only way is to copy it there right? | 19:54 |
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| mordred | abitha: yes, that's right | 19:54 |
| abitha | @mordred cool thanks. | 19:54 |
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| chris6131 | Running zuul 2.0.0 I am getting the dreaded "This change was unable to be automatically merged with the current state of the repository. Please rebase your change and upload a new patchset." but the cool thing is that in /var/lib/zuul/git I can find my code, with my patch fully merged, a ref created, and the ref has even been pushed to gerrit :-/ | 19:55 |
| mordred | abitha: let me know if you run in to any problems - I was just about to go poke people to get that module landed | 19:56 |
| abitha | @mordred sure | 19:56 |
| mordred | Shrews: if you get a sec, could you re-test the os_client_config ansible module and make sure my update fixed it for you? | 19:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | K Jonathan Harker proposed openstack-infra/puppet-kibana: Refactor kibana-ruby specific bits to kibana::ruby https://review.openstack.org/188906 | 20:05 |
| openstackgerrit | K Jonathan Harker proposed openstack-infra/puppet-kibana: Add kibana3 support https://review.openstack.org/188907 | 20:05 |
| yolanda | nibalizer, i'm fine if you work on that | 20:06 |
| yolanda | i will be busy with the nodepool.conf one | 20:06 |
| nibalizer | yolanda: see 188895 | 20:07 |
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| yolanda | checking | 20:08 |
| yolanda | +1 | 20:09 |
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| mordred | http://paste.openstack.org/show/266926/ <-- this is what the output of healthy security groups on a new cloud look like | 20:13 |
| mordred | and what I want my default security group to look like everywhere :) | 20:14 |
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| * Clint claps. | 20:15 | |
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| mordred | silly pep8 | 20:23 |
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| jeblair | mordred: i like how it lets the internet work | 20:33 |
| jeblair | chris6131: if you have a zuul debug log, it may have more information about why it decided to report that | 20:34 |
| jeblair | chris6131: it's usually pretty good about reporting its decision making choices to the debug log, so if you look around the time it reported that string, you can probably find the reason | 20:34 |
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| mordred | TheJulia: in os_ironic you declare that it depends on jsonpatch - shouldn't that come via ironicclient? | 20:36 |
| chris6131 | jeblair: Thanks. I'm trying that but I must have a logging problem because I can't even see some of the related messages that I see in the source code | 20:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Bump up Ceph job timeout for resource availability https://review.openstack.org/188213 | 20:37 |
| jeblair | chris6131: here's our logging config; this makes just about everything to to debug.log, and it's super verbose: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-zuul/tree/files/logging.conf | 20:38 |
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| TheJulia | mordred: It has to generate a patch document and ship it through ironicclient. Ironicclient is really just a wrapper that just passes data through | 20:40 |
| mordred | TheJulia: so ironicclient does not depend on jsonpatch itself? | 20:41 |
| TheJulia | it does not | 20:41 |
| mordred | k. coo | 20:41 |
| mordred | I have learned a thing | 20:41 |
| mordred | TheJulia: at some point it seems like most of the logic that's in os_ironic should likely be in shade ... but I think that's an impl detail we can sort out later | 20:42 |
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| TheJulia | yah | 20:42 |
| mordred | TheJulia: hrm. there's a thing here that I think we might want to fix before landing though (I'm coming through the outstanding modules) | 20:43 |
| mordred | TheJulia: which is the interface for noauth ... jamielennox|away has been mentioning something about thinking that the noauth form you're using should likely be a proper auth plugin | 20:44 |
| mordred | TheJulia: which would mean that ironic_url would want to come in via the auth dict | 20:44 |
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| mordred | TheJulia: unfortunately, it's the weekend already in australia, so jamielennox|away is ignoring us | 20:46 |
| TheJulia | mordred: I like the idea, sort of, although I'd want to walk os-client-config's code again because it seems to me that it as is was trying to validate off keystone which caused us to put the None logic in place to begin with | 20:46 |
| TheJulia | mordred: weekend++ | 20:46 |
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| TheJulia | also, how does the entire world know exactly when I sit down in front of my computer? | 20:47 |
| mordred | TheJulia: I probably shoudn't tell you about teh tracking beacon we all had installed ... | 20:47 |
| jeblair | (it's pretty much always the weekend in australia, i think) | 20:47 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 20:47 |
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| TheJulia | mordred: oh... nice... where did I put that special hat | 20:48 |
| mordred | TheJulia: yah. well - I think that's just the thing - if we write either a no-auth plugin or even an "ironic" plugin, we can have the parameter validation list nothing, OR we can have the parameter validation list "ironic_url" | 20:48 |
| mordred | or something | 20:48 |
| * mordred waves arms, falls over | 20:48 | |
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| chris6131 | jeblair: Thanks! | 20:49 |
| TheJulia | mordred: yeah, general noauth plugin makes a lot of sense considering I think neutron has or is introducing similar support | 20:49 |
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| mordred | and swift | 20:50 |
| mordred | maybe it should be a "passthrough" plugin - which will no-op and just simply return the values passed in | 20:51 |
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| TheJulia | mordred: I suspect it will ultimately depend on if the presence of the values is expected and the actual contents are ignored. | 20:55 |
| mordred | yah | 20:55 |
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| mordred | SpamapS: btw - I don't know if we wrote it down anywhere - but I'd like for the keystone endpoint to live on port "443" | 20:57 |
| mordred | SpamapS: basically because if it runs on anything else I might be forced to rage drink at someone | 20:58 |
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| jeblair | mordred: that should be in the system-config change | 20:59 |
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| jeblair | mordred: would be good to leave that as a comment so we don't forget it | 20:59 |
| jeblair | i would link to it, but i'm debugging a gertty crash :( | 20:59 |
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| jeblair | (and obviously don't know how to use the gerrit webui anymore) | 20:59 |
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| mordred | :) | 21:00 |
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| harlowja | qq, so http://logs.openstack.org/01/188901/1/check/gate-project-config-irc-access/81c833c/console.html failed ( cloud-init is missing from accessbot ) and the #cloud-init channel was created without me or scott becoming operators in it, whats the typical resolution to get accessbot in there (or at least get me + scott as an operator of that channel); afaik we can't become operators if the room is non-empty | 21:00 |
| harlowja | maybe some special irc foo (and/or support channel) where i can get that to happen without trying to get everyone out of the room? | 21:01 |
| harlowja | ^ which likely won't happen | 21:01 |
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| * harlowja just wants irc gerrit bot (and not sure why it needs accessbot) for code/review notifications, ha | 21:01 | |
| jeblair | harlowja: ftr (this doesn't help you), we have special powers for #openstack- channels and can usually resolve that | 21:01 |
| harlowja | hmmm | 21:01 |
| jeblair | harlowja: otherwise, it's ask everyone to leave, or ask in #freenode | 21:01 |
| harlowja | durn | 21:02 |
| harlowja | k, let me see | 21:02 |
| harlowja | to many people to get everyone to leave i think, ha | 21:03 |
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| jeblair | harlowja: if you can convince a freenode op to op you in the channel, register it with chanserv: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/irc.html#access | 21:04 |
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| harlowja | jeblair yup, working on it | 21:06 |
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| TheJulia | mordred: for what its worth, I have a post-it note on my wall now to look at and discuss plugins topic | 21:07 |
| pleia2 | it's friday afternoon no meeting time if we want to get these things merged (accessbot + eavesdrop) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188420/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188600/ | 21:07 |
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| mordred | TheJulia: woot! | 21:09 |
| mordred | TheJulia: I have achieved "post-it note" | 21:09 |
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| mordred | fungi: GAH- you beat me to both of them | 21:10 |
| TheJulia | mordred: it is a highly regarded status.... although for verification that I actually look at that wall, you'll need to inquire with valkyrja | 21:10 |
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| mordred | TheJulia: I consider tasks done when they've been recored in a todo list | 21:11 |
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| TheJulia | lol | 21:11 |
| fungi | mordred: i'm at a pool party which is doubling as a sales rep meeting for the real estate agency my wife works at, so... doing not-boring things to avoid getting bored ;) | 21:11 |
| pleia2 | fungi: thanks :) | 21:12 |
| jeblair | mordred: i thought it was when you pushed up a patch to gerrit with "TODO: implement" | 21:12 |
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| fungi | have wireless modem, will travel | 21:12 |
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| SpamapS | jeblair: only once that has a +1 | 21:13 |
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| TheJulia | fungi: +1 | 21:13 |
| jeblair | fungi: i kind of hope you're on a float with a scotch and a waterproof computer | 21:13 |
| harlowja | jeblair soooooo | 21:13 |
| harlowja | from chat with freenode operator guy 'openstack already have a registered project here on freenode. If they're willing to add the channel to it and that makes most sense for you all that might be best' | 21:13 |
| harlowja | are u guys fine with that? | 21:14 |
| fungi | jeblair: meh, wicker rocking chair and corona, but close | 21:14 |
| * harlowja isn't sure how thats accomplished, but seems like thats the easiest path (vs getting a new cloud-init project, and blah blah) | 21:14 | |
| jeblair | we can have channels associated with the project that don't start with #openstack ? | 21:14 |
| jeblair | harlowja: usually freenode ops just say 'sure' if no one already owns the channel | 21:14 |
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| harlowja | tomaw hey there | 21:15 |
| TheJulia | jeblair: fungi: this sounds like an excellent idea.... if you find decent waterproof computers please let me know | 21:15 |
| tomaw | hello :) | 21:15 |
| jeblair | tomaw: hello again! | 21:15 |
| harlowja | so just will repeat a message | 21:15 |
| harlowja | tomaw '<jeblair>we can have channels associated with the project that don't start with #openstack ?' | 21:15 |
| fungi | TheJulia: yeah, hence the rocking chair. i do need to design a waterproof netboot tho | 21:15 |
| fungi | er, netbook | 21:15 |
| harlowja | i'm gonna say sure, but not really sure :-P | 21:15 |
| tomaw | yeah, we can add other namespaces to your group if they make sense | 21:15 |
| TheJulia | fungi: I fully support and am willing to invest in this idea... the only additional requirement... sea water. | 21:16 |
| harlowja | tomaw jeblair i'm ok with that, doesn't seem harmful | 21:16 |
| harlowja | avoids more groups | 21:16 |
| harlowja | if u guys ok with that :) | 21:16 |
| fungi | TheJulia: true. as soon as we close on the new house, i need something i can use reliably from my dock or in a small boat | 21:16 |
| jeblair | the cloud-init project is loosely associated; if that's the easiest path forward, it works for me. | 21:16 |
| jeblair | tomaw, harlowja: ^ | 21:17 |
| harlowja | wfm | 21:17 |
| tomaw | Is pvo still around? it could technically do with an ack from him, but I can probably just do it and mail him | 21:17 |
| fungi | pvo got sucked into managerdom some years ago :/ | 21:18 |
| jeblair | tomaw: i should be the registered group contact for openstack now | 21:18 |
| * harlowja who's pvo | 21:18 | |
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| fungi | harlowja: heh, exactly | 21:18 |
| tomaw | jeblair: Ah yes | 21:18 |
| harlowja | jeblair is the sole-creator-responsible for all of openstack | 21:19 |
| harlowja | :) | 21:19 |
| tomaw | Okay, I've opped harlowja in #cloud-init | 21:19 |
| jeblair | tomaw: cool, thanks :) | 21:20 |
| tomaw | I'll add a note to the group registration for openstack to say that it's included there | 21:20 |
| harlowja | much appreciated jeblair tomaw | 21:20 |
| tomaw | I'll drop out of here in case you want to talk about me | 21:21 |
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| jeblair | tomaw rocks | 21:21 |
| fungi | harlowja: for the sake of posterity, pvo is paul voccio, senior director of product software engineering, rackspace | 21:22 |
| harlowja | ah, cool | 21:22 |
| harlowja | must be from many moons ago | 21:22 |
| harlowja | back in the dark agees | 21:22 |
| fungi | some dozens of moons at any rate | 21:22 |
| harlowja | :) | 21:22 |
| mordred | harlowja: he used to be our contact for all things nova at rackspace | 21:22 |
| harlowja | interesting | 21:23 |
| mordred | harlowja: but I think he got tired of us pinging him and asking things | 21:23 |
| fungi | now he has lackeys and regrets | 21:23 |
| harlowja | u guys need to write a history-book someday | 21:23 |
| mordred | harlowja: I don't usually like horror novels | 21:23 |
| jeblair | last time someone did that mysql got bought by oracle | 21:23 |
| harlowja | mordred ha | 21:24 |
| * fungi wonders where sun microsystems fits into that somewhat compressed timeline | 21:24 | |
| * harlowja was reading some stuff about sun recently | 21:24 | |
| * mordred has one of those mysql books | 21:24 | |
| harlowja | apparently before they crapped out they turned there stock symbol into JAVA | 21:24 |
| mordred | and can tell you ALL about the sun aquisition | 21:25 |
| mordred | there is at least one reading of history that could lay openstack's existence at least partially at the feet of oracle buying sun | 21:25 |
| jeblair | https://plus.google.com/+MarkAtwood/posts/fnivbCZKLc1 | 21:25 |
| * fungi doesn't usually like horror novels | 21:25 | |
| jeblair | "The MySQL Story: A Brief History for MySQLers: Part I: 1995 - 2007" | 21:25 |
| harlowja | might be interesting, hmmm | 21:25 |
| * jeblair is eagerly anticipating Part II | 21:26 | |
| mordred | jeblair: I should totally write "The MySQL Story: A Brief History for Stackers: Part II: 2008-2015" :) | 21:26 |
| jeblair | hehe | 21:27 |
| fungi | "the mariadb story: a less brief history for mysqlers: part ii" | 21:27 |
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| fungi | "drizzle: the life and times of a great idea" | 21:27 |
| fungi | "percona: something something mysql something" | 21:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Add #openstack-neutron-release channel https://review.openstack.org/188420 | 21:28 |
| jeblair | it's a whole library | 21:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Yanis Guenane proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Submit new project puppet-openstack-cookiecutter https://review.openstack.org/188929 | 21:28 |
| fungi | that's a library where i won't be signing up for a card | 21:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config: Log #openstack-neutron-release https://review.openstack.org/188600 | 21:29 |
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| harlowja | oh will i'm on a roll here, any chance i could get a +A on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185077/ | 21:36 |
| harlowja | *while | 21:36 |
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| jeblair | fungi: you have a library card for my library | 21:39 |
| * fungi is not quite sure how to interpret that | 21:40 | |
| harlowja | fungi thxs | 21:40 |
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| annegentle | ah the valley! | 21:44 |
| fungi | how uncanny | 21:44 |
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| harlowja | :) | 21:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/gertty: Fix waiting for tasks https://review.openstack.org/188469 | 21:50 |
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| jeblair | david-lyle: can you review https://review.openstack.org/188886 please? | 21:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/git-review: Update project links https://review.openstack.org/158235 | 21:55 |
| fungi | Clint: ^ | 21:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Move networking-l2gw project under openstack namespace https://review.openstack.org/185705 | 21:57 |
| Clint | fungi: great, then after that lands i can start whining about a new release | 21:57 |
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| Clint | fungi: *whine* *whine* | 22:12 |
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| SpamapS | mordred: so, we need to agree on verb tense before we keep co-editting the infra-cloud docs | 22:22 |
| SpamapS | mordred: I chose present, because I felt it would be weird to go back and change future to present every time we implement something. | 22:23 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: ++ | 22:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Cloning cue-dashboard https://review.openstack.org/186296 | 22:23 |
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| SpamapS | jeblair: there's another side to this coin though. We could do it all in future tense, and just regard everything it says as a statement of what it will continue doing. | 22:24 |
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| * SpamapS will ponder whilst doing reviews | 22:24 | |
| jeblair | SpamapS: i think the rest of the sibling docs are not future | 22:24 |
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| pleia2 | present makes sense to me, and means we don't need to update it every time we finish something | 22:25 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: i feel certain that we could construct a tense that expresses that this is both what we anticipate doing and, once having done it, was in fact what we did. | 22:26 |
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| jeblair | (and therefore, all work will have been performed correctly as anticipated, more or less by definition; this will save us a lot of time) | 22:27 |
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| mordred | SpamapS, jeblair: "the cloud will have been deployed ..."? | 22:30 |
| mordred | SpamapS, jeblair: "if the cloud had been deployed, its characteristics might have been ..." | 22:31 |
| * mordred is helpful | 22:31 | |
| jeblair | mordred: apparently that first is "Future Perfect Continuous" | 22:31 |
| jeblair | which pretty much sums up how i think we should deploy our cloud | 22:32 |
| pleia2 | haha | 22:32 |
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| mordred | jeblair: "The cloud would have been deployed, if the configuration had been ..." | 22:36 |
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| mordred | jeblair: I believe that is "past pluperfect subjunctive" | 22:36 |
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| david-lyle | krotscheck: ping | 22:44 |
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| harlowja | fungi (or other super-powerful-person) would u be so kind as to add oslo-core to https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/938,members and oslo-release to https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/939,members | 22:46 |
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| jeblair | harlowja: done | 22:54 |
| harlowja | thx | 22:54 |
| SpamapS | mordred: I read that tense more as "Past Present Future Troll" | 22:56 |
| mordred | SpamapS: ++ | 22:56 |
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| mordred | SpamapS: do you remember how to set a new default target for pastebinit? | 23:04 |
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| mordred | SpamapS, jeblair: so, dguerri and I were just talking about floating ips | 23:14 |
| mordred | and I'd like to share what we've learned | 23:14 |
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| mordred | so that other people can revel in the magic | 23:14 |
| mordred | http://paste.openstack.org/show/267364/ | 23:15 |
| dguerri | the keyword here is magic | 23:15 |
| mordred | if you look at that - that's printing every network neutron shows, and then every subnet attached to that network | 23:15 |
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| mordred | you'll enjoy knowing that if the network is marked as router:external=True, that's how you get off cloud | 23:16 |
| mordred | however, there are two ways you'll interact with that | 23:16 |
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| mordred | one, is seen with dreamhost and the "monty" and "mordred" clouds (both hp) | 23:16 |
| mordred | which is that the subnets listed all return None | 23:16 |
| mordred | when you get their details | 23:17 |
| mordred | those are the networks that the floating IPs come from | 23:17 |
| mordred | otoh - if you look at runabove, you'll see it has a router:external network AND a valid subnet | 23:17 |
| mordred | with that, you know you can boot a vm on it and get direct routed external network | 23:18 |
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| mordred | this leads us to understand that it is possible, if not a bit ugly, to fully grok the situation purely from neutron metadata if the cloud has neutron | 23:19 |
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| Clint | magical | 23:19 |
| mordred | now - that's all just ipv4 | 23:20 |
| mordred | if you look at dreamhost, you'll see there is ALSO a subnet attached to the network which is marked as router:external=True that is ipv6 | 23:20 |
| mordred | and which seems to be externally routable | 23:20 |
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| mordred | because ipv6 | 23:20 |
| mordred | markmcclain: ^^ if you're around, I think you set that up, I'd love to know why you put ipv6 on a network that's marked as not externally routable | 23:21 |
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| dguerri | well IPv6 is not much different, I think. The only weird thing about it is that IPv6 addressing is completely unrelate to the IPv4 addressing. So you can have fixed addresses that are global routable IPv6 and still use floating for IPv4 | 23:23 |
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| mordred | and I do confirm that the ipv6 address you get from dreamhost is globally routable | 23:24 |
| mordred | even though it's on a subnet that's attached to a network marked router:external | 23:24 |
| mordred | so - from what I can tell, the metadata is valid for ipv4 and everything is different for v6 | 23:24 |
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| mordred | because | 23:24 |
| dguerri | we should keep them separated | 23:25 |
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| Clint | perhaps setting router:external to true on ipv6 does something horrifying | 23:26 |
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| dguerri | ah! spam. | 23:27 |
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| fungi | Clint: if you're going to whine about a new git-review release then i'm going to expect you to point me to any other outstanding changes for it that look important/ready first | 23:27 |
| dguerri | so out of the blue | 23:27 |
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| Clint | fungi: i can do that, but it's just going to be "man page breakage" | 23:27 |
| Clint | oh | 23:27 |
| Clint | outstanding | 23:27 |
| Clint | fair enough | 23:27 |
| * olaph revels in the magic | 23:28 | |
| fungi | mordred: i alias pastebin to pastebinit -b http://paste.openstack.org | 23:29 |
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| dguerri | mordred: what IPv6 subnets are provisioned to VMs in dreamhost? | 23:29 |
| fungi | olaph: the magic of ircspam! (it features 1 MYSQL at request!!!) | 23:31 |
| dguerri | mordred: never mind | 23:31 |
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| mordred | fungi: :) | 23:32 |
| mordred | fungi: it's actually configurable and you can have a file that tells it where a particular pastebin is ... | 23:32 |
| pleia2 | "We're pleased to inform you that your talk proposal for LISA15 titled "Tools for Distributed, Open Source Systems Administration" has been accepted and hope that you’ll be able to join us in Washington, D.C., in November." Yay :) | 23:33 |
| fungi | mordred: i've no doubt. but at some point i got lazy and decided not to figure that out | 23:33 |
| pleia2 | even better, it doesn't conflict with the summit this time | 23:33 |
| mordred | fungi: aha! I finally got angry enough to figure it out | 23:33 |
| jeblair | pleia2: ooh, nice! | 23:33 |
| mordred | oh. no I didn't | 23:34 |
| mordred | pleia2: nice! | 23:34 |
| fungi | <pastebinit><pastebin>http://paste.openstack.org</pastebin></pastebinit> | 23:34 |
| fungi | xml!!! | 23:34 |
| mordred | http://paste.openstack.org/show/267381 | 23:34 |
| mordred | yah | 23:34 |
| mordred | I just got that | 23:34 |
| fungi | pleia2: wtg! | 23:34 |
| mordred | WOOT! | 23:35 |
| mordred | os_image is merged into the ansible | 23:35 |
| mordred | http://paste.openstack.org/show/267382/ <-- here is that network/subnet output in yaml format | 23:36 |
| dguerri | mordred: the more we revel in the magic, the more I am convinced we need a configuration settings. per vendor, with a default | 23:37 |
| dguerri | dreamiest config for IPv6 is just broken. but I guess it works | 23:38 |
| dguerri | and AFAIK you don't have a gateway for a net with router:external=False | 23:38 |
| dguerri | so probably they are using an "external" gateway... not managed by openstack | 23:39 |
| mordred | dguerri: the gateways are on the subnets | 23:39 |
| mordred | a network is not a network | 23:39 |
| dguerri | god... why? | 23:39 |
| mordred | a network is a thing that has one ore more subnets | 23:39 |
| mordred | and each subnet is actually the network | 23:39 |
| dguerri | please allow me to try this at home | 23:40 |
| mordred | dguerri: so - I think we can code in the logic, and I think we should, because I don't think that a user should need to specify 12 things about their cloud before things work -a nd there are clouds out there we don't know about | 23:41 |
| mordred | dguerri: HOWEVER | 23:41 |
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| mordred | dguerri: I think a config setting that is an optimization around the discovery code | 23:42 |
| mordred | dguerri: sounds like a fine idea | 23:42 |
| dguerri | mordred: I could have totally missed the problem... but logic won't work for dreamhost IPv6 | 23:43 |
| mordred | dguerri: well, logic is always the thing that we reverse engineer from the clouds we se | 23:44 |
| dguerri | unless you mean using the globally routable check | 23:44 |
| mordred | dguerri: well, I think right now our experience is "if the cloud gives you ipv6, it's globally routable" | 23:44 |
| mordred | regardless of what anything else says | 23:45 |
| fungi | we use the term "logic" loosely in this channel | 23:45 |
| mordred | as we have not seen any examples to the contrary | 23:45 |
| mordred | and, why in the heck would a provider go to the trouble of giving you ipv6 and then having it be non-routable? | 23:45 |
| dguerri | mordred: private clouds | 23:45 |
| mordred | dguerri: sorry, I'm using globally routable poorly again | 23:46 |
| mordred | dguerri: "routable off of the cloud" | 23:46 |
| mordred | dguerri: although I think they're wrong, I can see why people would give ipv4 addresses on private clouds that are not routable off that cloud | 23:47 |
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| mordred | I have NO IDEA why they'd do that with ipv6 | 23:47 |
| mordred | fungi: have I mentioned that everything about this makes me very sad | 23:48 |
| mordred | ? | 23:48 |
| fungi | mordred: yes. yes you have | 23:48 |
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| dguerri | mordred: I may want to use IPv6 on my backend net. Not saying that is a good choice. | 23:48 |
| fungi | there is such a thing as not globally routable ipv6 (site-local) and also not routable ipv6 (link-local) | 23:50 |
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| mordred | dguerri: sure. however, for now, I think we should assume ipv6 is routable, and wait until we encounter a bug from someone before we try to get fancier with it | 23:50 |
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| mordred | since we currently have no known use cases for handling private ipv6 - but we do have to deal with just about all the other routable ipv4 issues | 23:51 |
| dguerri | Yes. I think you made a good point about IPv6 provisioned by OpenStack... in the end there is no NAT for IPv6 so we play a completely different game with it (fixed-floating IPv4) | 23:52 |
| mordred | ++ | 23:52 |
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| mordred | ok. I go to the store | 23:52 |
| fungi | there is also such a thing as nat for ipv6, but i prefer to pretend there is not | 23:52 |
| dguerri | fungi: there is not :D | 23:53 |
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| dguerri | fungi: net engineers fight that as it was the devil | 23:54 |
| dguerri | so openstack must support it | 23:54 |
| * fungi used to be a network engineer/architect at an isp and datacenter management company, drove the ipv6 truck straight through the core routers, knows the score | 23:55 | |
| fungi | v6 nat is teh debbil | 23:56 |
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| fungi | i remember when we finally worked out with out backbone providers how they were going to be able to support our dual-stack bgp6 announcements at our border. it was a momentous occasion. took a lot of (human) negotiating as we were basically the first peers who insisted on it | 23:59 |
| fungi | er, with our backbone providers | 23:59 |
| fungi | seems so long ago now | 23:59 |
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