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| jeblair | mordred, fungi: the gozer folks encountered an error that i think may be responsible for the 'nodepool demand outage' that we saw this morning during uploads | 00:01 |
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| jeblair | i believe it is fixed by https://review.openstack.org/193368 | 00:02 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: ^ you may be interested too | 00:02 |
| mordred | jeblair: I am in favor of bugfixe | 00:02 |
| mordred | jeblair: I am in favor of bugfixes | 00:02 |
| jeblair | this exception is in our geard log file: http://paste.openstack.org/show/303024/ | 00:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Dake proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Revert "Make kolla functional job voting" https://review.openstack.org/193369 | 00:03 |
| jeblair | note, i have not run zuul tests with that yet (we should set up a x-gate job with that) | 00:03 |
| jeblair | which is something that should be done before we try that in prod | 00:03 |
| jeblair | i have to run now though | 00:03 |
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| sdake_ | could a couple infra cats approve that revert - our gating software apparenty doesn't work well with both a check and gate at the same time | 00:04 |
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| SpamapS | jeblair: quite interesting | 00:04 |
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| jeblair | SpamapS: yeah, it's kind of in the "how did that ever work department" and then, as we found out this morning, perhaps it doesn't work. :) | 00:05 |
| greghaynes | oh - so are we filling up the TCP buffers while were sending data to rax? | 00:05 |
| greghaynes | which uncovered this buyg? | 00:05 |
| jeblair | greghaynes: i think so | 00:05 |
| greghaynes | awesome! | 00:05 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: we should run some libhostile testing on geard btw. ;) | 00:05 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: http://libhostile.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 00:05 |
| sdake_ | by "our gating softwre" I mean kollas, not infras | 00:06 |
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| greghaynes | mordred: hrm, so looks like glean is just not writing out any net config at all. \O/ | 00:09 |
| greghaynes | mordred: I also forgot to give my console user sude perms, so waiting on a respin | 00:10 |
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| mordred | greghaynes: oh good! | 00:11 |
| mordred | greghaynes: (you remembered to boot your vm with config-drive attached, right?) | 00:12 |
| greghaynes | yep | 00:12 |
| greghaynes | saw the config drive | 00:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config: Enable logging on openstack-app-catalog IRC channel https://review.openstack.org/190343 | 00:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Strip markers from test requirements. https://review.openstack.org/193372 | 00:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack/requirements: Remove hacking and hacking-owned dependencies. https://review.openstack.org/192929 | 00:20 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack/requirements: Mark as Python2.7 only the dependencies that are. https://review.openstack.org/189250 | 00:20 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack/requirements: Add upper-constraints.txt. https://review.openstack.org/189251 | 00:20 |
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| sdake | the kolla review queue is completely blocked atm, could couple infra cores approve this revert : https://review.openstack.org/193369 | 00:30 |
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| lifeless | mordred: how did you go reviewing my stack ? | 00:33 |
| lifeless | mordred: I see less +2's than I'd hoped :/ | 00:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack-infra/project-config: zuul: actually enable puppet4 voting https://review.openstack.org/193379 | 00:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Jerry Zhao proposed openstack-infra/nodepool: add option to use ipv6 for image update and node launching https://review.openstack.org/156178 | 00:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/requirements: Add glance_store to projects.txt https://review.openstack.org/182681 | 01:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kyle Mestery proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Take configuraiton control to test hooks for networking-odl https://review.openstack.org/192433 | 01:23 |
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| lifeless | fungi: 189250 got dims +1 | 01:39 |
| lifeless | fungi: ( I tweaked a couple entries subsequently ) | 01:39 |
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| fungi | lifeless: cool. i take it you're still wrestling with devstack there? | 01:42 |
| lifeless | fungi: I added a depends-on to a pbr change | 01:42 |
| fungi | ahh, keen | 01:42 |
| openstackgerrit | John Trowbridge proposed openstack-infra/project-config: add stackforge/ahc-tools https://review.openstack.org/193392 | 01:42 |
| lifeless | but even if it passes via depends-on, I don't think we should merge it until pbr is released with that fix | 01:43 |
| lifeless | right now I'm poking at the new deps proton needs | 01:43 |
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| lifeless | to make generate-constraints work locally | 01:43 |
| lifeless | swig -python -threads -o cproton_wrap.c cproton.i | 01:43 |
| lifeless | cproton.i:310: Error: Unable to find 'proton/cproton.i' | 01:43 |
| lifeless | error: command 'swig' failed with exit status 1 | 01:43 |
| lifeless | fungi: 193372 is the pbr change | 01:43 |
| lifeless | fungi: which appeard to run its devstack run with the transiently broken pbr thing which has now landed | 01:44 |
| lifeless | fungi: so should be fine (now) | 01:44 |
| fungi | yeah, i'm looking at the test logs from the pbr change | 01:45 |
| lifeless | I've told it to recheck | 01:45 |
| fungi | /opt/stack/new/devstack/inc/python: line 230: ./.venv/bin/python: No such file or directory | 01:46 |
| lifeless | yes | 01:46 |
| lifeless | that was the transient breakage | 01:46 |
| lifeless | see devstack master git log | 01:47 |
| lifeless | do you happen to know what packages we need to add to install python-proton-qpid ? | 01:47 |
| lifeless | I've adde uuid-dev swig | 01:47 |
| lifeless | but its barfing | 01:47 |
| lifeless | as above | 01:47 |
| lifeless | flaper87: ^ | 01:47 |
| fungi | aha, yep | 01:48 |
| fungi | lifeless: i think they were recently added to the bare-.* workers. checking git history now | 01:49 |
| lifeless | fungi: they were added to tools/integration.sh | 01:50 |
| lifeless | hmm, wonder if its python3 | 01:50 |
| fungi | lifeless: on debuntu it needs uuid-dev and swig | 01:50 |
| fungi | on frhelos it's libuuid-devel instead of uuid-dev | 01:50 |
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| lifeless | yeah | 01:51 |
| lifeless | it fails on python 3.4 | 01:51 |
| lifeless | hahahahahaaha | 01:51 |
| fungi | so nice | 01:51 |
| * lifeless blacklists it | 01:51 | |
| fungi | lifeless: at least proton is old and being retired, right? | 01:51 |
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| lifeless | well | 01:54 |
| lifeless | this is the new shiny one | 01:54 |
| lifeless | apparently | 01:54 |
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| lifeless | flaper has been doing some work to make it less awful | 01:54 |
| lifeless | but yes, the pyngus update needs to be version capped | 01:55 |
| fungi | oh, found https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PROTON-490 | 01:55 |
| lifeless | so I'm thinking we probably want to run generate-constraints during CI of changes to openstack/requirements | 01:56 |
| lifeless | because new things that come in might be wrongly versioned | 01:56 |
| lifeless | erm | 01:56 |
| lifeless | markered | 01:56 |
| lifeless | and we won't catch that until the periodic job today | 01:56 |
| * fungi was also kidding about proton being retired. knows it's recent addition | 01:56 | |
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| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack/requirements: Remove hacking and hacking-owned dependencies. https://review.openstack.org/192929 | 01:58 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack/requirements: Mark as Python2.7 only the dependencies that are. https://review.openstack.org/189250 | 01:58 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack/requirements: Add upper-constraints.txt. https://review.openstack.org/189251 | 01:58 |
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| lifeless | meh, restart all your CIs. :/ | 01:59 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Strip markers from test requirements. https://review.openstack.org/193372 | 01:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Don't sanitize node names for log directories https://review.openstack.org/193104 | 02:11 |
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| bhunter71 | hi all, a question. When post/release/tag zuul pipelines fail jobs, how does one know? Does it email someone? (I only know by watching my zuul UI) | 02:24 |
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| lifeless | fungi: 193372 is green | 02:57 |
| lifeless | mordred: ^ | 02:57 |
| lifeless | thats a critical-path fix for pbr | 02:57 |
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| sdake | https://www.centos.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1420 | 04:04 |
| sdake | is it possible some chnge in infra affects the setting of the system clocks in a negative way? | 04:04 |
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| ianw | sdake: devstack-gate should get the time right -> http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/tree/functions.sh#n118 | 05:00 |
| sdake_ | ianw thanks | 05:03 |
| sdake_ | but we dont actually run devstack ;) | 05:04 |
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| ianw | sdake_: ok, what's the problem then? | 05:05 |
| sdake_ | ianw we download a bunch of stuff via epel (https) | 05:07 |
| sdake_ | we do it about 40-50 times separately incontainers | 05:07 |
| sdake_ | sometimes they fail | 05:07 |
| sdake_ | the failure rate has gone from 1-5% previously to 100% today | 05:07 |
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| sdake_ | ianw internet googling points to time synchronization issues resulting in the 500 errors coming out of the mirror list via the https protocol | 05:08 |
| sdake_ | ianw or firewalls on port 443 | 05:08 |
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| sdake_ | since we dont run devstack we have our own gate setup | 05:09 |
| sdake_ | ianw https://github.com/stackforge/kolla/blob/master/tests/setup_gate.sh | 05:09 |
| sdake_ | I guess one quetion I'd have is why is this spiraled out of control today | 05:11 |
| sdake_ | we made our gate from nonvoting to voting | 05:11 |
| sdake_ | but I dont think that is the immediate issue | 05:12 |
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| ianw | sdake_: well, could be, i've certainly seen yum go a bit crazy when restoring a snapshot image that has a very wrong time | 05:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Normalize projects.yaml https://review.openstack.org/192979 | 06:01 |
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| AJaeger | StevenK: good morning! | 06:06 |
| StevenK | AJaeger: Hai! | 06:06 |
| AJaeger | your scripts are life and seems they fail - did you see that already? | 06:07 |
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| AJaeger | Go to https://jenkins.openstack.org/ and check the "upstream translation update" output, e.g. https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/oslo.db-upstream-translation-update/18/consoleFull | 06:08 |
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| StevenK | AJaeger: Yup, I knew they would fail, since other parts haven't landed, but they do not impact the running of the script | 06:09 |
| AJaeger | StevenK: Indeed,... | 06:10 |
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| StevenK | So it's all good, the scripts will just be a little noisier | 06:10 |
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| AJaeger | Ok, then let's get the other parts in | 06:10 |
| AJaeger | Yeah, nobody besides the two of us looks at that noise ;) | 06:11 |
| AJaeger | Regarding horizon, did you see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188665 - I doubt it will help with your scripting work but wanted you to be aware of it | 06:11 |
| StevenK | AJaeger: Requires hiera setup, pleia2 is on it | 06:11 |
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| StevenK | Oh, and zanata server setup | 06:12 |
| StevenK | AJaeger: Yes, I don't believe those changes will impact my script work | 06:12 |
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| AJaeger | StevenK: That's my impression as well. Initially I thought they might. But them going to babel might make life easier in some areas if you need to make changes there. | 06:21 |
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| StevenK | AJaeger: My current issue is that Zanata won't deal with django{,js}.po -- I have to symlink it to a .pot file :-( | 06:23 |
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| AJaeger | StevenK: can we rename that in the repos? | 06:26 |
| AJaeger | StevenK: moving forward: We need to handle translation of stable branches as well. But that's a complete new feature and one the translators would really love AFAIU. | 06:27 |
| AJaeger | right now we do not handle branches at all with our scripts | 06:27 |
| StevenK | AJaeger: Zanata can in fact do that, we can handle multiple versions | 06:27 |
| StevenK | At the moment, we have one version, 'master', but we could certainly have a job that creates a 'liberty' version, and then pushes and pulls from that | 06:28 |
| StevenK | AJaeger: So, we could, except for the fact that the proposal scripts have the current path hardcoded | 06:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/irc-meetings: Revert "Fix incorrect docs meeting time" https://review.openstack.org/193224 | 06:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/irc-meetings: Change name of calendar dir to 'calendars' https://review.openstack.org/193123 | 06:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Normalize projects.yaml https://review.openstack.org/192979 | 06:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Wayne Warren proposed openstack-infra/infra-specs: Jenkins Job Builder 2.0.0 API Changes/Rewrite https://review.openstack.org/182542 | 06:41 |
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| AJaeger | StevenK: yeah, something for the future. Just wanted to remind you of that since you're working on the scripts... | 06:45 |
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| StevenK | AJaeger: Yeah, that may require a smaller spec, or at least concensus on the mailing list, but let's get master working first. :-) | 06:49 |
| AJaeger | StevenK: agreed on both points | 06:49 |
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| AJaeger | lifeless: are you around and can help with library releases? | 06:58 |
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| StevenK | AJaeger: Re Horizon and .pot files, I think I'll draft a mailing list post on my Monday and see what the Horizon folk say before writing up a patch | 07:03 |
| StevenK | Because there are number of ways we could handle it | 07:04 |
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| AJaeger | StevenK: ok... | 07:05 |
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| lifeless | AJaeger: I am | 07:27 |
| lifeless | AJaeger: but part of the decision in vancouver was to release very early in the week | 07:27 |
| lifeless | AJaeger: friday is not early :) | 07:27 |
| AJaeger | lifeless: I wasn't aware that "internal tools" were part of the library release. | 07:28 |
| lifeless | AJaeger: this is the docs thing? | 07:28 |
| AJaeger | lifeless: I send you and dhellmann an email asking for a release in the mean time. | 07:28 |
| AJaeger | lifeless: yes. I'm fine having it handled by you, it's just changing my workflow ;) | 07:28 |
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| AJaeger | If you batch release early next week, it's fine for me as well. | 07:29 |
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| lifeless | let me reply on the list | 07:32 |
| AJaeger | lifeless: sure, thanks! | 07:33 |
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| AJaeger | lifeless: I see ttx answered as well my mail (thanks) - so, let's continue via email | 07:37 |
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| nihilifer | hello | 08:57 |
| nihilifer | can someone look at this patch? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189853/ | 08:57 |
| nihilifer | it already had +2 yesterday, but needed rebase | 08:57 |
| nihilifer | sdauge: could you take a look? | 08:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Bechtold proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Remove sphinx_config.init_values() manual call https://review.openstack.org/193462 | 09:10 |
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| flip214 | Hi. Is there some way I can get a list of recent CI runs (for drbd-devstack) with the SUCCESS/FAILURE information and a link to the results? Perhaps even statistics can be queried? | 09:26 |
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| Kiall | flip214: http://graphite.openstack.org/ has stats etc for jobs, including pass/fail.. It's not quite a list, but if you know graphite, you can probably get the data you wan | 09:32 |
| Kiall | t | 09:32 |
| Kiall | e.g. for the first job I found ;) http://graphite.openstack.org/render/?width=586&height=308&_salt=1434706376.002&target=stats_counts.zuul.pipeline.check.job.check-devstack-dsvm-cells.ABORTED&target=stats_counts.zuul.pipeline.check.job.check-devstack-dsvm-cells.FAILURE&target=stats_counts.zuul.pipeline.check.job.check-devstack-dsvm-cells.SUCCESS | 09:33 |
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| marzif_ | any core can help me moving this forward please https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193125/ | 09:35 |
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| flip214 | Kiall: thanks. I do not know it now, but perhaps I will... | 09:47 |
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| flip214 | Kiall: thanks, could make it working | 09:59 |
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| Odd_Bloke | sdague: Did you see my comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191081/3/zuul/layout.yaml ? | 10:19 |
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| marzif_ | sdague, AJaeger I really need help on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193125/ I'm blocked... | 10:25 |
| flip214 | Kiall: I tried to login to graphite now, hoping that I can store the graph (or export it as URL). | 10:25 |
| flip214 | But all I got was "Graphite encountered an unexpected error while handling your request." | 10:25 |
| sdague | Odd_Bloke: so what's the test failure scenario? | 10:26 |
| flip214 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/304478/ is the complete error message | 10:26 |
| Odd_Bloke | sdague: If coverage drops below 90%. | 10:27 |
| flip214 | How can I get an URL that shows me that data? | 10:27 |
| sdague | that still seems weird to gate on, because that means some merge put you accross a threshold and it's going to be really hard to debug | 10:28 |
| AJaeger | marzif_: I'm quite busy with other work today, I'll see what I can do for that one later. | 10:28 |
| sdague | we're enforcing clean check, you can't get into the gate unless this test has passed | 10:28 |
| marzif_ | AJaeger, appreciate your answer | 10:28 |
| AJaeger | marzif_: just a quick question: Do you want to import some parts of your repository into the new repo together with history? In that case use the "upstream" keyword and setup a new repo using "git filter". | 10:28 |
| Odd_Bloke | sdague: What might have changed between check and gate? HEAD of the branch we're merging in to? | 10:29 |
| sdague | Odd_Bloke: yep | 10:29 |
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| marzif_ | AJaeger, yes I want to do that - this is the option I was thinking about: git filter-branch --prune-empty --subdirectory-filter horizon_web_ui/ master | 10:30 |
| sdague | and, it might not even be in head yet. It could be multiple things in flight | 10:30 |
| marzif_ | AJaeger, I'll check your solution | 10:30 |
| sdague | so you push 3 patches into gate they collide and bounce off each other, and no one understands why | 10:30 |
| sdague | it just seems like a weird gate job. If you really want it, so be it, but I'd recommend against it | 10:30 |
| Odd_Bloke | sdague: I'll chat with harlowja (PING), and see what he thinks. | 10:31 |
| AJaeger | marzif_: you only have one chance for that - now. Once your patch is in, we cannot import, this needs to be setup as part of your patch. | 10:31 |
| AJaeger | marzif_: check the infra manual and how oslo does it. | 10:32 |
| marzif_ | AJaeger, ok | 10:32 |
| flip214 | thanks, got it | 10:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Disable several tempest jobs for Manila stable/juno branch https://review.openstack.org/193491 | 10:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davide Guerri proposed openstack-infra/shade: Add Neutron/Nova Floating IP create (allocate to project) https://review.openstack.org/183555 | 10:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Fausto Marzi proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Splitting stackforge/freezer on multiple repos https://review.openstack.org/193125 | 10:54 |
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| samueldmq | morning :) | 11:05 |
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| marzif_ | AJaeger, I understand your are busy, so please reply at your convenience: I'm not sure why I need to track upstream to do that | 11:24 |
| marzif_ | here I wrote some instruction int he dashboard field on how to possible to that | 11:24 |
| marzif_ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/freezer/+spec/main-repo-split | 11:24 |
| AJaeger | marzif_: you're not tracking upstream | 11:24 |
| marzif_ | I'm not sure I need to do that | 11:24 |
| AJaeger | upstream keyword means: Seed this directory from the other one. | 11:25 |
| AJaeger | Alternative is: You get an empty repository and push everything through gerrti - and loose your revision history | 11:25 |
| AJaeger | the usual work flow is: use git filter to create a new repository with the initial content for your new repo. | 11:26 |
| AJaeger | Make that new repo public somewhere and reference it via the upstream keyword | 11:26 |
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| AJaeger | Once we approve the change, the "upstream" repo gets imported into your new repo | 11:26 |
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| marzif_ | I'll do that because it's the usual way and I don't want to change it, but I think the steps are not necessary, without losing the history, I'll follow your indication anyway | 11:28 |
| AJaeger | marzif_: It's the best way doing it with our infrastructure. | 11:29 |
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| marzif_ | AJaeger, ok : ) | 11:29 |
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| tchaypo | sdague: before reading https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192253/, I’d been expecting to start with talking about what data we need to collect; what’s already in graphite, what we can easily put there by tweaking zuul, what we’re going to have to collect from elsewhere. Starting the conversation with what technology we’re going to used to present the | 11:42 |
| tchaypo | data surprised me. In hindsight it makes sense - we don’t want to start throwing data into a system we’ll be throwing away. | 11:43 |
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| tchaypo | marzif_: AJaeger: The first time I saw the “upstream” keyword there I was surprised too. It made me think of a git upstream - something that gets constantly tracked and pulled from. It took me a while to understand that in this context it’s something we read from once, but afterwards never look at again | 11:44 |
| marzif_ | AJaeger, I've replied to your comments https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193125/ if we could use the openstack name space I think would be better, the project now is growing, it will save us to do similar work in the future | 11:45 |
| marzif_ | tchaypo, yes, agreed, git-upstream was written by the guy in front of my desk : ) | 11:45 |
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| sdague | tchaypo: yeh, so, the implementation steps hopefully provide some of that road map. | 11:46 |
| sdague | because I expect that what we need is going to get discovered over time as things get implemented | 11:47 |
| tchaypo | sdague: so I don’t have any particular thoughts on what we want to use. I assume we’d want something python if we can, but I hadn’t really thought past that. | 11:47 |
| tchaypo | I assume we’ll find over time that the data we thought was interesting isn’t actually the thing we end up referring to, so something that can be easily tweaked and drilled down into would be nice | 11:47 |
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| sdague | tchaypo: yeh, I think it most cases we'll be able to get more data put back into graphite | 11:54 |
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| AJaeger | marzif_: openstack namespace is a TC decision - shouldn't be hard with the new big tent model. Best talk later with jeblair or with sdague about that. | 11:59 |
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| AJaeger | tchaypo: yeah, upstream is misnamed ;( | 11:59 |
| AJaeger | tchaypo: that's why we remove these semi-automatically after import ;) | 11:59 |
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| tchaypo | sdague: I’m assuming we’re not going to decide these things before, or during, next week’s meeting - but hopefully we’ll identify who is interested in driving the choices | 12:00 |
| marzif_ | AJaeger, ok, ty | 12:01 |
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| sdague | tchaypo: yeh, honestly, if I was just hacking on this myself I'd have started coding already, but it's pretty clear I'm not going to have a huge amount of coding cycles for this, so I'm just trying to curate the needs | 12:03 |
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| tchaypo | thanks :) | 12:04 |
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| AJaeger | jeblair: could you look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193392/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191131/ and talk with the Ironic team, please? We might need some kind of "official" message for usage of stackforge vs. openstack for reference | 12:29 |
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| trown | AJaeger: thanks for the feedback on ahc-tools | 12:39 |
| dtantsur | jeblair, seconding the request :) we might have a wrong idea what stackforge is for | 12:40 |
| trown | AJaeger: I understand that with the "big tent" that we no longer strictly need to have projects incubate in stackforge | 12:40 |
| dtantsur | I'm still not sure however, how to prove usefullness of the project without it being baked somewhere | 12:40 |
| AJaeger | dtantsur, trown: Times change ;) | 12:40 |
| trown | AJaeger: what about immature projects that do actually need incubation? | 12:40 |
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| trown | AJaeger: I would consider ahc-tools very immature at this point | 12:40 |
| AJaeger | trown: If it'S not successful, you can make it read-only, independent where it is. | 12:41 |
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| fungi | dtantsur: yeah, the idea with the big tent is that teams get recognized by the tc, and as long as they stick with the scope they've defined they can have as many repos as they want in openstack. there's no reason for it to wait for usability or progress before making it openstack, as long as it's being handled by the team the tc has already recognized | 12:41 |
| trown | AJaeger: I guess my question is, what is the purpose of stackforge namespace at this point | 12:42 |
| fungi | trown: very little | 12:42 |
| dtantsur | fungi, here is the problem: of the whole team only I know this project | 12:42 |
| AJaeger | trown: With the big tent, it'S more about the 4 opens and being part of OpenStack for a team than mature repositories. | 12:42 |
| fungi | trown: i and a number of others would like to just get rid of it | 12:42 |
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| trown | fungi: ah that is useful info | 12:43 |
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| dtantsur | wow, never thought about it | 12:43 |
| fungi | trown: i wish we didn't have these git namespaces at all, but they started because we needed to map repo names to orgs we controlled in github for replication purposes | 12:43 |
| AJaeger | trown, dtantsur: For your project - and that'S why I asked - I see no need to be part of stackforge. Only costs and pain for fungi when you move from stackforge to openstack ;) | 12:43 |
| trown | AJaeger: I like your optimism :) | 12:43 |
| dtantsur | lol | 12:43 |
| dtantsur | AJaeger, fungi, that all makes a lot of sense to me, thanks! But I believe someone has to write a lot of long ML posts explaining this new position | 12:44 |
| fungi | the namespaces themselves accumulated some unwarranted meaning, but they're entirely cosmetic (and a serious amount of work to change after the repo is created) | 12:44 |
| marzif_ | AJaeger, fungi what would be needed to do to migratee a repo from stackforge to openstack namespace? | 12:44 |
| AJaeger | trown: It's a shift in mindset: Moving from "mature projects in openstack/, incubation in stackforge" to "repos can mature - or fail - in openstack" | 12:45 |
| fungi | marzif_: we take down all our developer services for a maintenance window and do http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/gerrit.html#renaming-a-project | 12:45 |
| marzif_ | as I need to split components, would be probably helpful do it now, and do the job only once... | 12:45 |
| marzif_ | ah ok fungi thanks | 12:45 |
| AJaeger | fungi: marzif_'s background: https://review.openstack.org/193125 which proposes a split of a repo in stackforge... | 12:46 |
| fungi | so gerrit, zuul et cetera are offline for 30 minutes or more | 12:46 |
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| AJaeger | fungi: seems jeblair needs to put on his marketing head for some emails or ask others in the TC to help out ;) | 12:47 |
| fungi | and basically the 2k+ developers we have working on openstack can't push changes or get them tested until we finish the renaming work for a single project | 12:47 |
| dtantsur | marzif_, I feel sorry for you, splitting a project can be painful :) doing the same right now | 12:47 |
| fungi | AJaeger: yeah, i'm hoping https://review.openstack.org/192016 is able to make some headway, after further revision | 12:48 |
| marzif_ | dtantsur, lol doing it once, it's part of the game, but doing the same twice... | 12:48 |
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| trown | AJaeger, fungi, I am still a little unclear on the criteria for putting a repo in the openstack namespace | 12:48 |
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| trown | AJaeger: fungi, I get that it is not "mature stable project", I just dont get what it is instead | 12:49 |
| marzif_ | trown, I think it's still in discussion probably... | 12:49 |
| trown | AJaeger: fungi, ie is it everything that would have got accepted to stackforge before? | 12:50 |
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| fungi | trown: if it's part of a tc recognized project, it's simply necessary that the project says it'll be taking on governance of that repo (either directly or through some auxiliary subteam) | 12:50 |
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| fungi | trown: if it's a new project rather than joining an existing project, http://governance.openstack.org/reference/new-projects-requirements.html are the guidelines | 12:51 |
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| fungi | and i think even that document makes some unnecessary assumptions about "maturity" of a team's work | 12:52 |
| trown | fungi: perfect, that answers my question quite well | 12:52 |
| fungi | i'll see if i can come up with a better wording to propose to the tc | 12:52 |
| dtantsur | fungi, that all sounds good. I wonder what happens if a PTL does not approve including of subproject... would it be a use case for stackforge? | 12:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davide Guerri proposed openstack-infra/shade: Add Neutron/Nova Floating IP create (allocate to project) https://review.openstack.org/183555 | 12:53 |
| fungi | dtantsur: more likely the case for it to be a separate project. a good example is the searchlight project which just spun out of an effort in glance | 12:53 |
| fungi | it's closely related to glance, but since it has its own team and they're already working together quite effectively, they simply because a new tc recognized project (last week or the week before i think?) | 12:54 |
| dtantsur | hmm, interesting | 12:54 |
| fungi | s/because/became/ | 12:54 |
| dtantsur | ok folks, thanks for clarifying, much appreciated! | 12:55 |
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| krtaylor | interesting discussion, I'll also throw in that a stackforge project doesn't have to have the TC blessing to start, I always viewed it as a place to start forming, then get TC recognized, then promotion | 12:55 |
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| fungi | dtantsur: the resolution to make searchlight a new project is at https://review.openstack.org/188014 | 12:56 |
| fungi | they're one of many, but i use them as an example because they didn't follow the pattern of "create a repo in stackforge, apply to the tc, move the repo from stackforge to openstack" | 12:56 |
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| dtantsur | I see | 12:57 |
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| fungi | instead they did "talk to an existing project about inclusion, apply to the tc, create a repo in openstack" | 12:57 |
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| trown | fungi: thanks again, all very helpful information, I will go that route and talk to Ironic first | 12:58 |
| trown | and see what happens from there | 12:58 |
| fungi | and if glance had agreed instead, the process for searchlight would have been simply "talk to an existing project about inclusion, create a repo in openstack" | 12:59 |
| AJaeger | trown: thanks! | 12:59 |
| trown | AJaeger: thank you for helping clear up the confusion | 12:59 |
| AJaeger | fungi: Thanks for jumping in, here! | 12:59 |
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| fungi | but i like the timeline on that tc motion. searchlight proposed a new project to the tc on june 3, and within 6 days it was approved as a new openstack project. clearly the tc is getting a lot faster at this now | 13:02 |
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| fungi | the motion is all of ~40 lines of prose and half a dozen bits of metadata | 13:04 |
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| fungi | and now they can create however many repos they need to achieve their stated mission | 13:06 |
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| mordred | fungi: ok. shade 0.8.1 is on nodepool | 13:09 |
| fungi | mordred: excellent. should we restart it before image update time? | 13:09 |
| mordred | fungi: I'd like to restart nodepool to pick up the change - that ok with you? | 13:09 |
| mordred | fungi: yah | 13:09 |
| fungi | go for it. can you give me about 5 minutes though? i'm finishing up a check for alient nodes to see if i can gauge how well the new cleanup is working | 13:10 |
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| fungi | s/alient/alien/ | 13:10 |
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| mordred | sure! | 13:11 |
| fungi | mainly just a spot check to see if i can find (via the old traditional comparison method) any which have somehow slipped through the new metadata-based autocleanup | 13:11 |
| samueldmq | mordred: nice, I starte looking at shade yesterday, left a review on one of those patches keystone-related | 13:12 |
| mordred | fungi: btw - "sudo -H nodepool shade-inventory --yaml --list" should give you a lovely yaml output of all of the nodes in nodepool, if you ever want such a thing | 13:12 |
| mordred | samueldmq: woot! thanks | 13:12 |
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| fungi | mordred: that's excellent--new nodepool cli subcommands to play with | 13:14 |
| fungi | oh, wait, it's a separate shade cli. still cool | 13:14 |
| fungi | assuming you meant -u nodepool? | 13:15 |
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| fungi | rather -H -u nodepool | 13:15 |
| samueldmq | mordred: that's still a small project, and I guess it's intended to be simple :) | 13:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-dev/pbr: Strip markers from test requirements. https://review.openstack.org/193372 | 13:15 |
| samueldmq | mordred: it will be fun to take a deeper look on it | 13:15 |
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| mordred | fungi: yes. I did mean -H -u nodepool | 13:16 |
| samueldmq | mordred: as I find some time between dynamic policies tasks ;) | 13:16 |
| fungi | indeed, `sudo -H -u nodepool shade-inventory --yaml --list` works. just tried it | 13:16 |
| sdague | samueldmq: it will be more fun if we can make it obsolete by fixing openstack | 13:16 |
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| mordred | yup | 13:16 |
| mordred | that's the goal | 13:16 |
| mordred | but hopefully it'll be a clear target to aim for | 13:17 |
| fungi | samueldmq: sdague: the smaller shade gets, the more successful openstack is becoming at achieving consistency and interoperability | 13:17 |
| samueldmq | sdague: ahha yes I agree | 13:17 |
| samueldmq | sdague: mordred fungi that's great! :) | 13:17 |
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| samueldmq | mordred: https://github.com/openstack-infra/shade/blob/master/shade/__init__.py#L202-L207 | 13:18 |
| samueldmq | mordred: this is a great description on what it is different fro ma simple OpenStack sdk | 13:19 |
| AJaeger | sdague: should we add a link to governance or one of its subpages on docs.o.o ? I haven't found the proper text and place yet. | 13:19 |
| samueldmq | mordred: as we were discussing a couple of days ago, iirc | 13:19 |
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| AJaeger | sdague: I just read your comment on the stackforge -> openstack TC proposal | 13:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Wayne Warren proposed openstack-infra/infra-specs: Jenkins Job Builder 2.0.0 API Changes/Rewrite https://review.openstack.org/182542 | 13:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Wayne Warren proposed openstack-infra/infra-specs: Jenkins Job Builder 2.0.0 API Changes/Rewrite https://review.openstack.org/182542 | 13:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | David Shrewsbury proposed openstack-infra/shade: Convert ironicclient node.get() call to Task https://review.openstack.org/193535 | 13:23 |
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| mordred | dguerri`, Shrews: oops. error in the get_ipv4 code | 13:25 |
| EmilienM | mordred:,AJaeger: good morning here! I think I did wrong yesterday in trying to enable voting for puppet4. Here is a fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193379/ | 13:25 |
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| sdague | AJaeger: that would probably be a good thing to do | 13:25 |
| sdague | AJaeger: I don't know the best place | 13:25 |
| AJaeger | sdague: let me do a patch and see what others think... | 13:26 |
| AJaeger | it's not the first time it came up but I haven't found the perfect place - so time for a non-perfect one ;) | 13:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add several jobs for Manila periodic pipeline https://review.openstack.org/193538 | 13:26 |
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| sdague | I also kind of feel that - http://governance.openstack.org/reference/projects/index.html should at least have a summary of the projects in question, that's most a weird wall of text that means nothing to people that don't already know what it means | 13:26 |
| AJaeger | sdague: yeah | 13:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Catch all exceptions around port for ip finding https://review.openstack.org/193540 | 13:26 |
| fungi | mordred: jeblair: interestingly i have 10 alien nodes showing in dfw, 3 in iad and 2 in ord (in addition to the 4 in hpcloud which i think are undeletable, "locked" according to novaclient) | 13:27 |
| Shrews | mordred: fix it fix it fix it | 13:27 |
| mordred | fungi, Shrews: ^^ I need to land that patch now | 13:27 |
| mordred | because inventory is broken for rax | 13:27 |
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| dguerri | mordred: looking | 13:27 |
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| mordred | dguerri: then, I think after we cut a bugfix - we should probably go add another test to highlight that issue, if you have a sec | 13:28 |
| fungi | mordred: any reason not to build up a list of known exceptions there? is it safe to just treat any exception that might throw equally? | 13:28 |
| mordred | fungi: it's safe for now, since that's a function where if one service doesn't work we're just going to try another one | 13:29 |
| dguerri | can't open https://review.openstack.org ... hope it's just me | 13:29 |
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| fungi | dguerri: i assume it's just you because it's working for me | 13:29 |
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| dguerri | fungi: tnx | 13:29 |
| mordred | dguerri: hrm. something is off in that code in general - I do not have a good accessIPv4 on any of my clouds | 13:29 |
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| mordred | dguerri: I'm going to put in some local tracing and let you know what's up | 13:30 |
| dguerri | mordred: ++ | 13:30 |
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| fungi | mordred: should i un-approve that exception change? | 13:30 |
| dguerri | mordred: that's quite odd, we tested it quite a bit before merging | 13:30 |
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| fungi | or are you planning to submit a different change for the rest of whatever you find rather than evolving that one? | 13:30 |
| mordred | fungi: exception change is still great | 13:31 |
| mordred | it's actually _totally_ broken | 13:31 |
| fungi | cool, i'll leave it in flight | 13:31 |
| Shrews | :( | 13:31 |
| mordred | this other thing is a specific metadata thing | 13:31 |
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| mordred | Shrews, dguerri: we're missing a layer - you're trying to map a server port to a network - but a server port is going to be attached to a subnet which will be attached to a network | 13:34 |
| AJaeger | sdague: what do you think of https://review.openstack.org/193547 for the governance change on docs.o.o? | 13:35 |
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| AJaeger | sdague, fungi: could either of you unblock kolla, please? https://review.openstack.org/193369 | 13:37 |
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| sdake | would be much appreciated :) | 13:38 |
| sdague | +A | 13:38 |
| fungi | lgtm | 13:38 |
| fungi | we double-approved it, for double goodness i guess | 13:38 |
| AJaeger | sdague, fungi : Either not both ;) | 13:38 |
| AJaeger | fungi: indeed - thanks | 13:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Antoine Musso proposed openstack/diskimage-builder: doc: migrate from README.rst to Sphinx https://review.openstack.org/193051 | 13:39 |
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| mordred | Shrews, dguerri: ok - may have been pebkac | 13:48 |
| Shrews | TheJulia: final two reviews that convert ironic calls to Task: https://review.openstack.org/193535 and https://review.openstack.org/193553 | 13:48 |
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| dguerri | mordred: please tell me it is :) | 13:49 |
| mordred | Shrews, dguerri: yup. sorry, there is a field called "accessIPv4" in the nova metadata that isn't actually what we use and isn't actually useful | 13:49 |
| mordred | I was looking at the wrong thing - it all works | 13:49 |
| fungi | AJaeger: dtantsur: krtaylor: https://review.openstack.org/193550 is my proposal to make the new project requirements look less like a suggestion to incubate projects in stackforge first | 13:49 |
| dguerri | thank god | 13:50 |
| mordred | yah | 13:50 |
| dguerri | o/ | 13:50 |
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| Shrews | mordred: yay! that exception patch is still needed though. we should have caught that | 13:50 |
| dguerri | (other arm is doing an italian thing I can't explain) | 13:50 |
| mordred | dguerri: hahahaha | 13:50 |
| dguerri | ;) | 13:50 |
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| mordred | I almost think we shoudl fill in accessIPv4 and accessIPv6 since they're blank everywhere and we actuallyknow the answer | 13:51 |
| mordred | sdague: is nova supposed to be providing those back? | 13:51 |
| AJaeger | fungi, thanks! | 13:51 |
| dguerri | rght | 13:51 |
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| mordred | ah - so, it IS filled in on rackspace, but nobody else has bothered | 13:53 |
| * mordred hands rackspace a gold star | 13:53 | |
| dguerri | erheh | 13:53 |
| Shrews | jroll: congrats! | 13:53 |
| mordred | dguerri: we could add a piece to the logic "if server['accessIPv4']:" to bypass all the rest of the stuff if the cloud is nice enough to have given us the data | 13:53 |
| Shrews | that sounds worthwhile | 13:54 |
| dguerri | yup | 13:54 |
| mordred | dguerri: it would actually mean that our fallback of "hrm, not sure, let's see if it's a public address might be removable" | 13:54 |
| mordred | dguerri: it would actually mean that our fallback of "hrm, not sure, let's see if it's a public address" might be removable | 13:54 |
| mordred | bad quoting | 13:54 |
| * mordred test drives that thought real quick | 13:54 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Revert "Make kolla functional job voting" https://review.openstack.org/193369 | 13:54 |
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| jroll | Shrews: uh oh, what'd I do? | 13:54 |
| dims | fungi: please add oslo-core to oslo-reports-core and oslo-reports-release gerrit groups when you get a chance | 13:55 |
| pabelanger | morning | 13:55 |
| Shrews | jroll: you get mordred's gold star by proxy | 13:55 |
| jroll | \o/ | 13:55 |
| jroll | mordred: so afaik nova is supposed to provide those, but they are able to be set/modified by the user (or other things?) and are not to be trusted | 13:55 |
| sdague | mordred: so the upstream code feels like that should be thre | 13:56 |
| dguerri | mordred: is accessIPv4 rax only? | 13:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add several jobs for Manila periodic pipeline https://review.openstack.org/193538 | 13:56 |
| mordred | jroll: what other things would be ... wait ... aroo? | 13:56 |
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| mordred | dguerri: no, they're openstack constructs | 13:56 |
| mordred | dguerri: it just seems liek rax is the only cloud who is filing them in | 13:57 |
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| mordred | except now jroll tells me that somethign might cause them to lie | 13:57 |
| fungi | dims: done | 13:57 |
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| mordred | jroll: honestly, if a user overwrites that value with something else somehow, they're on their own I cannot be responsible for insanity | 13:57 |
| dimsum__ | fungi: thanks! | 13:57 |
| jroll | mordred: indeed. I could just imagine neutron or something doing insane things and setting it. idk. | 13:58 |
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| jroll | mordred: but you're probably fine to trust it | 13:58 |
| mordred | jroll: it does deflate a little bit of my rage at rackspace networking though | 13:58 |
| jroll | \o/ | 13:58 |
| fungi | mordred: so, we're down to ~15 minutes before image updates. are we safe to go ahead and restart nodepoold now? | 13:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Derek Higgins proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Pin to a specific fedora mirror https://review.openstack.org/193560 | 13:58 |
| mordred | fungi: yes! | 13:58 |
| jroll | mordred: feel free to continue sending rage this way | 13:59 |
| fungi | mordred: okay, i'll do it unless you wanted to | 13:59 |
| fungi | looks like nodepool is keeping pace with zuul demand for the moment | 13:59 |
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| mordred | fungi: sorry - I got distracted by the other shade bug | 13:59 |
| fungi | though until we get jeblair's 193368 tested out and applied, we're going to see nodepool lose track of zuul demand while glance uploads happen (unless latest shade has broken our uploads today!) | 14:00 |
| dguerri | mordred: not 100% sure what you have in mind, I would keep the public IP check anyway | 14:00 |
| fungi | mordred: okay, nodepoold has restarted now | 14:01 |
| dguerri | mordred: we can just skip all the code if we have the accessIPv4 available | 14:01 |
| fungi | i'm tailing the debug log to see if there is any obvious crazy | 14:01 |
| fungi | tripleo cloud seems to be pitching us 500 errors | 14:02 |
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| Shrews | mordred: fungi: the exception change did not merge. does that break nodepool still? | 14:02 |
| fungi | i'm assuming that's just business as usual there | 14:02 |
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| fungi | Shrews: oh, not sure. i bet we need a new release tagged with that fix in place? | 14:02 |
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| fungi | mordred: ^? | 14:03 |
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| fungi | looks like the patch is 8 minutes out from completing its devstack functional jobs | 14:03 |
| fungi | in check | 14:03 |
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| fungi | and then it will i guess need another half hour in the gate, so not going to be in time for today's image updates | 14:04 |
| fungi | should i downgrade shade and restart nodepoold again? | 14:04 |
| fungi | if so, i have about 10 minutes to do that | 14:04 |
| mordred | Shrews: no, it does not | 14:05 |
| mordred | the exception change won't affect nodepool - that's just a break on inventory | 14:06 |
| Shrews | mordred: ok. the approval urgency led me to believe otherwise | 14:06 |
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| fungi | excellent. then i'll just leave this chugging | 14:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/requirements: Add glance_store to projects.txt https://review.openstack.org/182681 | 14:07 |
| mordred | Shrews: sorry - it was just a bug that would break ansible inventory for anyone with rackspace, and I know ansible tower has started using openstack inventory module, so I didn't want to leave a known hard break (you get no inventory back) in the wild | 14:07 |
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| fungi | the tripleo cloud seems really unhappy. the exceptions look like they're related to floating ip allocation. maybe we've leaked some? | 14:07 |
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| AJaeger | sdague: governance side can soon be found on docs.openstack.org home page - patch has been approved | 14:08 |
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| sdague | AJaeger: cool | 14:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for neutron update port bug 1465407 https://review.openstack.org/191981 | 14:15 |
| openstack | bug 1465407 in neutron "StaleDataError: UPDATE statement on table 'ports' expected to update 1 row(s); 0 were matched." [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1465407 - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton) | 14:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Antoine Musso proposed openstack-infra/project-config: nodepool: describe nodepool-base env variables https://review.openstack.org/193566 | 14:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Antoine Musso proposed openstack-infra/project-config: nodepool: nodepool-base can now skip unbound conf https://review.openstack.org/193567 | 14:16 |
| hashar | I should really just create my own element :-D | 14:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | David Shrewsbury proposed openstack-infra/shade: Catch all exceptions around port for ip finding https://review.openstack.org/193540 | 14:16 |
| Shrews | mordred: ^^^^ fixed the pep8 error for you | 14:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: remove query for bug 1342380 https://review.openstack.org/193568 | 14:21 |
| openstack | bug 1353939 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "duplicate for #1342380 Rescue fails with 'Failed to terminate process: Device or resource busy' in the n-cpu log" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1353939 - Assigned to Matt Riedemann (mriedem) | 14:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Use accessIPv4 if it's there https://review.openstack.org/193569 | 14:21 |
| mordred | Shrews: cool. thanks! and there's the patch to use accessIPv4 if it exists | 14:21 |
| mordred | dguerri: ^^ | 14:21 |
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| derekh | fungi RE tripleo floating ip's looks like your bumping up against the floating IP quota, should we delete the unsed floating IP's? | 14:24 |
| derekh | dprince: ^ | 14:24 |
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| derekh | We also have 8 VM's not being used so could do with some eyes on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187675/2 | 14:25 |
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| fungi | derekh: we've seen leaks in other providers in the past (exhibited as fips which are not associated with any instance) | 14:26 |
| fungi | seems to happen when nodepool requests a fip deletion and for whatever reason it doesn't happen (but possibly reports that it did) | 14:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: remove query for bug 1342380 https://review.openstack.org/193568 | 14:28 |
| openstack | bug 1353939 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "duplicate for #1342380 Rescue fails with 'Failed to terminate process: Device or resource busy' in the n-cpu log" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1353939 - Assigned to Matt Riedemann (mriedem) | 14:28 |
| dprince | derekh: we just reset all the floating ips on MOnday I think | 14:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: add query for keystone wsgi restart issue https://review.openstack.org/193571 | 14:28 |
| dprince | derekh: so any leak we've got would be a fast one... | 14:28 |
| derekh | fungi dprince : ok, so it may have been like this since the probelms we had on monday, currently there is 111 FIP's in the tenants with 27 associated with a VM | 14:28 |
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| jeblair | AJaeger, fungi: i think all the questions about stackforge got answered? | 14:30 |
| derekh | fungi: dprince so if nodepool doesn't know about them I guess we can delete them and see if they keep leaking | 14:30 |
| derekh | brb | 14:30 |
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| jeblair | AJaeger, fungi: at any rate, i'm definitely working on clarifying the situation; i want to see where i can get agreement with the tc on it. that will probably take a couple of weeks. until then, i would say that technically nothing has changed, but it would be good to ask projects to start in openstack if they can, and if there is some reason they must be in stackforge, let them | 14:31 |
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| jeblair | AJaeger, fungi: doing so thus far has given us a lot of useful information (and i think worked out well for some projects) | 14:32 |
| fungi | jeblair: yep, we've not been insisting, just explaining how easy it is to "just start in openstack" | 14:34 |
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| fungi | jeblair: also https://review.openstack.org/193550 | 14:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: zuul: actually enable puppet4 voting https://review.openstack.org/193379 | 14:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Add IPv6 to the server information too https://review.openstack.org/193581 | 14:40 |
| mordred | jeblair, fungi, Shrews, dguerri: ^^ while poking at that section, figured I should add ipv6 info into the server record while we were at it | 14:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: add query for keystone wsgi restart issue https://review.openstack.org/193571 | 14:41 |
| hashar | mordred: hello :) Will you ever upstream your diskimage-builder puppet element ? :D | 14:41 |
| mordred | hashar: hrm. that's a great idea. | 14:42 |
| mordred | hashar: so - let's say "yes" - and if the dib-nodepool stuff goes well today, I'll see if I can work on that next | 14:42 |
| hashar | mordred: I guess once it is stable enough, you probably want to move it from puppet to "upstream" | 14:42 |
| mordred | hashar: I don't know if you saw - but our ansible module for running puppet is now in upstream ansible | 14:42 |
| hashar | \O/ | 14:42 |
| hashar | congratulations! | 14:42 |
| mordred | yah I'm exciteda bout that | 14:43 |
| hashar | we have discussions regarding salt/puppet/ansible etc on our side. But there is no firm consensus yes | 14:43 |
| hashar | yes/yet | 14:43 |
| hashar | meanwhile, I got nodepool setup on our system. Tweaking the disk image to have something eventually working for us :} | 14:43 |
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| mordred | hashar: well, I'm pretty pleased with ansible+puppet so far ... and we'll hopefully soon have moved from ansible+puppet-agent+puppetmaster to ansible+puppet-apply - which I think will be very nice | 14:44 |
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| mordred | hashar: reduces the bootstrapping - with either salt or puppet agent, you need an additional agent on the machine that you need to enroll in the certificate management | 14:45 |
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| mordred | hashar: salt + puppet agent was the worst - two different certs and two different agents :) | 14:45 |
| hashar | so you just crontab the ansible/puppet-apply run ? | 14:46 |
| mordred | yup | 14:46 |
| hashar | does ansible has anything to run stuff to all machines? (we use salt) | 14:46 |
| mordred | our cron job runs ansible, which runs puppet in sequence on the node where we need a certain order, and then in parallel on the others | 14:46 |
| mordred | it does | 14:46 |
| mordred | it's very good at running stuff on all machines | 14:46 |
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| fungi | it reminds me of the "parallel ssh" tools which we used to use on high-performance computing clusters to run specific commands on every cluster member from the cluster master | 14:47 |
| mordred | hashar: otoh - if you're already using salt for that and you're happy with it, salt would also do a fine job - but we're going to have a bit soon with ansible to deal with copying a node's hieradata around appropriately | 14:47 |
| mordred | fungi: it really does | 14:47 |
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| hashar | mordred: I am far from those pre occupations to be honest. I use whatever is provided by our sysadmins :D | 14:48 |
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| fungi | i like that ansible reduces well to the simple case of "here's a list of machines to which i have assh access and a command i want you to run now on all of them... let me know how it turns out" | 14:48 |
| mordred | hashar: this is a good choice | 14:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Derek Higgins proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Pin to a specific fedora mirror https://review.openstack.org/193560 | 14:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Christopher Aedo proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Add app-catalog-admin mailing list https://review.openstack.org/191478 | 14:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/shade: Catch all exceptions around port for ip finding https://review.openstack.org/193540 | 15:02 |
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| mordred | sdague: in a nova+neutron context with multiple network sources possible from neutron, do floating ip pools still make sense? like, are they a thing at all? | 15:12 |
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| mordred | sdague: it seems like the two concepts fill a similar space, and I'm torn on what to do about it in the floating-ip abstraction code in shade | 15:12 |
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| dguerri | mordred: fwiw: when the cloud has neutron, neutron external networks _are_ floating ip pools. | 15:14 |
| mordred | dguerri: they are exposed as pools in the nova passthrough interface? | 15:14 |
| dguerri | mordred: afaik yes | 15:15 |
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| mordred | dguerri: yes. I verify this | 15:16 |
| dguerri | yes | 15:16 |
| dguerri | acc, too slow :) | 15:16 |
| * mordred wonders why subnets aren't exposed as floating ip pools ... but decides to drop it | 15:17 | |
| dguerri | mordred: good point | 15:17 |
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| mordred | ok. I've also confirmed that there is a default floating-ip pool on auro, which uses nova-net with floating ips | 15:19 |
| mordred | AND that HP does not expose nova floating-ip-pool-list | 15:21 |
| mordred | at least not to me | 15:21 |
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| dguerri | mordred: that's also a big difference between nova-net and neutron: when you allocate a new floater, you can omit the pool for nova (getting it from the default pool) but you can't omit the net_id for neutron | 15:21 |
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| mordred | wow. that's amazing | 15:22 |
| mordred | have I mentioned I dislike floating ips in general? | 15:22 |
| dguerri | mordred: I addressed that here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183555/5/shade/__init__.py | 15:22 |
| dguerri | #18245 | 15:23 |
| dguerri | sorry #1824 | 15:23 |
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| mordred | dguerri: yes. awesome | 15:24 |
| mordred | so - I think the logic and functionality is all spot on | 15:24 |
| mordred | I think the main question is - do we use the words "network_or_pool" - or do we just say "network" and have folks using teh pool interface hand their pool name as a param | 15:25 |
| mordred | (I ask because we normalize nova networking concepts to neutron shape frequently) | 15:25 |
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| dguerri | mordred: I am fine either way. But I feel a subtle pleasure thinking we could just pretend nova-network doesn't exists :-) | 15:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Antoine Musso proposed openstack-infra/nodepool: Fix enable_node and disable_node methods https://review.openstack.org/193600 | 15:28 |
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| Shrews | mordred: dguerri: maybe just network, and explain in the docstring it can be pool for nova | 15:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Wayne Warren proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Allow the use of git add !!null as an `scm` value https://review.openstack.org/193601 | 15:29 |
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| dguerri | Shrews: ++ | 15:29 |
| mordred | Shrews: ++ | 15:29 |
| mordred | sold | 15:29 |
| Shrews | mordred: dguerri: and for instance vs. port? | 15:30 |
| dguerri | let's get rid of it | 15:30 |
| dguerri | mordred: Shrews if needed we can add something later | 15:31 |
| dguerri | mordred: Shrews removing stuff, is trickier, tho | 15:31 |
| mordred | ++ | 15:31 |
| mordred | dguerri: I don't think it's currently used, right? | 15:31 |
| dguerri | it's not | 15:31 |
| Shrews | dguerri: i'm good with that | 15:32 |
| mordred | dguerri: well, that said ... in nova-net, instance is the server id, right? | 15:32 |
| dguerri | sold | 15:32 |
| dguerri | yes | 15:32 |
| mordred | dguerri: in neutron, we get the port id and should be able to infer the server id from that, no? | 15:32 |
| dguerri | yes | 15:32 |
| dguerri | ah | 15:32 |
| dguerri | I see | 15:32 |
| mordred | I ask, because having the server_id (possibly always called "server_id") is useful | 15:32 |
| dguerri | do you wan't the server id | 15:32 |
| mordred | I've never once thought about ports when wrking with floating ips | 15:33 |
| dguerri | it need an API call, tho | 15:33 |
| mordred | it does? | 15:33 |
| dguerri | *needs | 15:33 |
| mordred | it's not in the port struct? | 15:33 |
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| mordred | oh - because the floating struct has port_id, so we'd need to look up what server that's on | 15:33 |
| dguerri | yes, unfortunately... | 15:34 |
| mordred | dguerri: if it's not attached, it will not have a port id, right? | 15:34 |
| dguerri | correct, it is None | 15:34 |
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| mordred | hrm | 15:34 |
| dguerri | hold on | 15:34 |
| dguerri | not always | 15:34 |
| mordred | so - "is_attached" is an important piece of information ... oh awesome | 15:34 |
| mordred | let's do what you said and omit it for now | 15:34 |
| dguerri | agreed | 15:34 |
| mordred | and then go to the nodepool code and see what our consumption there needs to be successful - like, if we were to use shade floating ips in nodepool | 15:35 |
| dguerri | a port could actually live without a server | 15:35 |
| mordred | and that should give us a good sense of where/if we need to make an extra call to fill this out, or if it's fine | 15:35 |
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| mordred | but I think we can land this without for now | 15:35 |
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| dguerri | ok, patching the patch now | 15:36 |
| Shrews | yay! my question brought about changes and concensus. thx dguerri, mordred | 15:36 |
| dguerri | Shrews: you are very welcome | 15:36 |
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| ttx | mordred: got 5 minutes to talk Maniphest ? | 15:37 |
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| dguerri | I would actually ask those questions before sending out the review, but we live in different TZs :D | 15:37 |
| mordred | ttx: yes! | 15:37 |
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| ttx | mordred: so... looking into that CustomField thingy | 15:38 |
| ttx | https://secure.phabricator.com/book/phabdev/class/ManiphestCustomField/ | 15:39 |
| uberjay | asselin: well, finally ran into that floating ip leak issue, and apparently hadn't put the relclaim cron job in. d'oh.... | 15:39 |
| mordred | ttx: for security things yeah? | 15:39 |
| ttx | No, for tracking repo/branch | 15:39 |
| mordred | ah | 15:39 |
| mordred | yes | 15:39 |
| ttx | (so that we can use "project" as free form tags | 15:39 |
| mordred | (sorry, context switching things in) | 15:39 |
| ttx | and build random dashboards freely as-needed) | 15:40 |
| mordred | yup - which would be neat | 15:40 |
| mordred | people like random dashboards | 15:40 |
| ttx | On paper, it seems CustomField is plenty powerful enough | 15:40 |
| ttx | I just have a hard time picturing how to use it | 15:40 |
| mordred | do you have to add custom fields via php? | 15:41 |
| ttx | you apparently shoudl drop a class in some random folder and voila | 15:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Antoine Musso proposed openstack-infra/nodepool: Fix enable_node and disable_node methods https://review.openstack.org/193600 | 15:42 |
| ttx | but reading PHP makes my head hurt. I suspect I could work it out from a working install though | 15:42 |
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| ttx | mordred: was wondering what the best next step would be for us there | 15:42 |
| mordred | ttx: it seems there is a "maniphest.custom-field-definitions" config setting | 15:42 |
| mordred | ttx: http://15.126.194.141/config/group/maniphest/ | 15:42 |
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| ttx | yes but that is pretty basic from what I read | 15:42 |
| mordred | ah | 15:43 |
| ttx | in particular doesn't use shouldAppearInListView() so is invisible in lists | 15:43 |
| ttx | where I think that would be great to have them to emulate story tasks | 15:43 |
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| ttx | but I'm at level 0.1 of exploring so I won't pretend I have all the keys here | 15:44 |
| pelix | looking for another review for JJB to see if the following changes can be approved: https://review.openstack.org/183488, https://review.openstack.org/133997, https://review.openstack.org/181541, https://review.openstack.org/180150 | 15:44 |
| ttx | mordred: see https://secure.phabricator.com/book/phabricator/article/custom_fields/ | 15:44 |
| pelix | zaro: you around to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180150/? other three above need someone else besides you or me to approve | 15:45 |
| ttx | you can configure easy ones in JSON. FOr complex ones you need to write a class | 15:45 |
| ttx | mordred: but then the class sounds not that complicated, since by default it behaves like a basic field and you just override extra methods | 15:45 |
| ttx | see bottom of that last page | 15:46 |
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| ttx | Was just wondering what's the best way to play with it. How easy is it to fire your own ? | 15:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add several jobs for Manila periodic pipeline https://review.openstack.org/193538 | 15:46 |
| mordred | ttx: (reading) | 15:47 |
| mordred | ttx: it's very easy to fire your own ... it's slighly harder to fire your own _and_ import useful dataset - but I can get you a copy of one pretty easily | 15:48 |
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| ttx | mordred: bah, I don't need dataset | 15:49 |
| ttx | mordred: I guess it's simpler I just set up one and try that advances Custom field thing, unless you beat me to it | 15:49 |
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| mordred | ttx: I usd this: https://github.com/openstack-infra/puppet-phabricator to set up the one I have running right now | 15:51 |
| mordred | ttx: there is a readme in there with some more notes | 15:51 |
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| ttx | hmm, ok, hopefully will have some time soon. I would really like to explore how we can solve that before we go any further | 15:52 |
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| ttx | it's a pretty basic field(s) but ideally would need to appear prominently to be useful | 15:53 |
| ttx | and I have no idea how powerful that public function renderOnListItem($view) is | 15:54 |
| ttx | documentation is pretty minimal | 15:54 |
| mordred | yah - I think it'll take poking for sure | 15:55 |
| mordred | ttx: my next thing after I get nodepool-dib sorted is to jump on this | 15:55 |
| ttx | ok, feel free to beat me to it | 15:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Wayne Warren proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add Parameterized Remote Trigger Plugin support. https://review.openstack.org/150327 | 15:56 |
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| Shrews | dguerri: i was looking at one of mordred's shade changes and noticed he is used the object form to address server info. A lot of the new IP code is doing similar things for servers (and we were bad reviewers and didn't catch it). We need to start using the dict form so we can phase out the object form. | 15:57 |
| mordred | Shrews: nod. | 15:58 |
| dguerri | Shrews: yep... how much have you found of that? | 15:58 |
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| dguerri | could someone explain the meaning of floating IP status in neutron? it seems to be used differently in different openstack version :-S but it could be just me | 15:59 |
| Shrews | dguerri: several places. some old, some new | 15:59 |
| Shrews | doh | 15:59 |
| mordred | markmcclain: ^^ any chance you can tell us where to look to learn about that? | 15:59 |
| Shrews | oh, yeah. right channel | 15:59 |
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| dguerri | :D | 15:59 |
| jeblair | fungi, mordred: i tested https://review.openstack.org/193368 with zuul tests, and they did not fail | 16:00 |
| jeblair | fungi, mordred: i think we can merge/release; then a zuul restart should pick it up and hopefully we won't see the demand gap | 16:00 |
| Shrews | dguerri: we need to put that on our todo list to change those | 16:00 |
| dguerri | Shrews: ++ | 16:00 |
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| fungi | jeblair: cool, i'm +2 on it in that case | 16:02 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 16:02 |
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| fungi | based on the cacti graph, we should in moments be entering the overflow condition again | 16:04 |
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| jeblair | oh drat; shoulda done this 30 mins ago | 16:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/gear: Do not raise RetryIOError on blocked write https://review.openstack.org/193368 | 16:06 |
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| jeblair | tagged 0.5.8 | 16:11 |
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| pleia2 | good morning | 16:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Wayne Warren proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Allow the use of git add !!null as an `scm` value https://review.openstack.org/193601 | 16:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Wayne Warren proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Enable parameter ordering in trigger_parameterized_builds https://review.openstack.org/175049 | 16:15 |
| anteaya | morning pleia2 | 16:15 |
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| jeblair | fungi: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra/%23openstack-infra.2014-12-09.log.html | 16:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Wayne Warren proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Update 'timeout' wrapper module https://review.openstack.org/129467 | 16:18 |
| jeblair | fungi: that was our discussion where we decided to use two servers instead of growing the haproxy server | 16:18 |
| fungi | jeblair: oh! good find | 16:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Wayne Warren proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Allow the use of !!null as an `scm` value https://review.openstack.org/193601 | 16:19 |
| jeblair | that seems to suggest that we believe backend distribution is based on ip addresses, not backend load | 16:19 |
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| fungi | yeah, i don't think that haproxy is currently configured to be at all smart about it and is simply hashing the requester's ip address and destination port | 16:20 |
| fungi | and using that to choose a backend | 16:21 |
| fungi | at least that's my recollection but i need to go back through the config and manpage | 16:21 |
| jeblair | yep, "balance source" | 16:21 |
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| jeblair | is what we have configured | 16:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davide Guerri proposed openstack-infra/shade: Add Neutron/Nova Floating IP list/search/get https://review.openstack.org/183496 | 16:24 |
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| clarkb | I am pretty sure git is good about one connwction per command now and we can change that if desireable | 16:25 |
| clarkb | even when using non smart gttp | 16:25 |
| dguerri | Shrews: mordred : I had to add an additional attribute 'attached'. It turned out I was using port_or_instance_id to determine if a floater was attached... so ... | 16:26 |
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| dguerri | Shrews: mordred : ^ review is the above | 16:26 |
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| jeblair | clarkb, fungi: so here's my current (incomplete) thinking: we lower maxconn for the backends to prevent them from being overloaded. if we stick with 2 fe's, then we probably need to be conservative with that since each fe only knows about potentially half the connections (though, each fe is "git.o.o" for 5 mins at a time, so maybe it's not that far off) | 16:27 |
| jeblair | clarkb, fungi: we might consider switching to least-connections, and moving to a single fe, which would then make the maxconn accounting more accurate | 16:28 |
| jeblair | clarkb: and it sounds like you were saying you think that might be reasonable to do? | 16:28 |
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| clarkb | jeblair yup as git clients are well behaved and dont seem to make multiple connections per fetch/clone | 16:29 |
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| mordred | dguerri`: looks great! | 16:30 |
| clarkb | the source balance method was being conservative so that multiple connections per client would be safe | 16:30 |
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| jeblair | clarkb, fungi: okay, options: a) leave everything as is, except set maxconn on backends (and probably spin up more backends); b) switch to single haproxy, maxconn on backends, least-connections lb algorithm | 16:33 |
| jeblair | anything else? which one do you like? | 16:33 |
| anteaya | jeblair: would option b) include more backends as well? | 16:35 |
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| jeblair | anteaya: not sure; it would spread load better which may make better use of the ones we have | 16:36 |
| anteaya | very good, thanks | 16:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Wayne Warren proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Validate the use of `[]` as an `scm` value https://review.openstack.org/193601 | 16:36 |
| jeblair | (whereas with a, the inefficiency makes needing more backends more likely) | 16:36 |
| anteaya | ah yes | 16:37 |
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| jeblair | it looks like a 30G compute-optimized instance will get us 1GB of outbound bandwidth, which is slightly less than what we have now (1.2), but more than we need (mean 0.16, median somewhere around 0.2, peak 0.6-0.7) | 16:38 |
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| anteaya | do we have a quota on how many of those instances we can use? | 16:38 |
| jeblair | yes, but if we ask nice, they might raise it | 16:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Wayne Warren proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Validate the use of `[]` as an `scm` value https://review.openstack.org/193601 | 16:39 |
| anteaya | okay great | 16:39 |
| clarkb | jeblair we can easily try both and use dns to move between them | 16:39 |
| jeblair | clarkb: git-fe03? :) | 16:39 |
| anteaya | clarkb: spin up an entire second git farm? | 16:39 |
| jeblair | anteaya: we only need the fe, not backends | 16:39 |
| clarkb | jeblair ya something like that | 16:39 |
| anteaya | jeblair: ah okay | 16:40 |
| fungi | yeah, i'd just add a third one and then spin down the other two, doing it all through dns updates | 16:40 |
| clarkb | or just git-fe.o.o | 16:40 |
| anteaya | guess I thought front ends were tied to specific backends | 16:40 |
| clarkb | not really since they are read only we can share backends | 16:42 |
| anteaya | wonderful | 16:43 |
| jeblair | okay, i'll see if i can come up with a good maxconn value for backends and set that everywhere, then spin up a 30g compute instance and configure least-conn on it only | 16:44 |
| sc68cal | mordred: hey I read scrollback about the floating IP stuff - let me know if there is anything else I can help answer | 16:44 |
| sc68cal | mordred: I too, dislike floating IPs - all hail IPv6! | 16:44 |
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| mordred | sc68cal: did we say anything that sounded completely terrible? | 16:45 |
| mordred | sc68cal: ++ | 16:45 |
| mordred | zomg. ipv6 == so much better | 16:45 |
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| sc68cal | mordred: no it sounds like we found another nova-net and neutron mismatch in the API :( | 16:45 |
| fungi | sc68cal: i only need these dirty old ipv4 addresses for a few more years, i hope ;) | 16:45 |
| sc68cal | fungi: haha | 16:46 |
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| mordred | sc68cal: well, to be more precise, we found another place where neutron has a nicer api | 16:46 |
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| sc68cal | mordred: heresey! | 16:46 |
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| fungi | i'm disappointed that here it is 2015 and my residential broadband isp provides ipv6 by letting me configure a "6rd" tunnel to a broker on their network border | 16:47 |
| mordred | fungi: I'm disappointed by many things | 16:48 |
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| sc68cal | fungi: ouch. | 16:48 |
| fungi | i want a full mtu for my v6 traffic, darn it! | 16:48 |
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| fungi | gimme slaac/dhcp6/rtsol/bgp6/something native | 16:49 |
| yolanda | jeblair, thx for the quick fix and release of gear | 16:49 |
| jeblair | yolanda: np; i'll probably restart our zuul later today to pick it up | 16:49 |
| yolanda | we are heading for that tomorrow | 16:49 |
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| fungi | jeblair: in good news, we may have avoided the gearman outage today because of new shade. or at least something seems to have caused us to _still_ not started uploading our dib results | 16:50 |
| yolanda | jeblair, did you ever hit that bug, or that's an special case we were facing? | 16:50 |
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| fungi | mordred: have you checked up on image updates? | 16:50 |
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| jeblair | yolanda: we're pretty sure we see it when we upload dib images, because they use so much bandwidth | 16:51 |
| eantyshev | Hello! Does anybody here run many CI accounts? AFAIU, they should be run in separate Zuul nodes. Do you have many Jenkins nodes too? | 16:51 |
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| fungi | as soon as i've finished my lunch i'll see if i can tell if it's still going or broke | 16:51 |
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| asselin | uberjay, fyi this merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191216/ and this needs review...might interest you: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192819/ | 16:52 |
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| asselin | eantyshev, I have a few accounts. they all run independently | 16:52 |
| yolanda | jeblair good to know, and thx for that help yesterday | 16:52 |
| mordred | fungi: I was also going to check it after lunch | 16:52 |
| uberjay | asselin: ah, that's a great idea. thanks for the pointer. | 16:52 |
| jeblair | np, thank you :) | 16:53 |
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| mgagne | I'm looking at nodepool and I'm wondering at what time is the keypair injected into the image. Is it done by dib or nova boot? if nova boot, does nodepool assume a keypair is pre-created and available via Nova api? | 16:53 |
| asselin | eantyshev, I tried sharing, but it was too complicated. | 16:53 |
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| eantyshev | asselin: So you have independent Jenkins nodes? | 16:53 |
| uberjay | asselin: i'm a bit behind, as the floating ip pool was full since earlier this morning... the queue is ~10 jobs behind | 16:53 |
| greghaynes | dguerri`: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183496/ failure is wierd | 16:54 |
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| asselin | uberjay, right this patch can help, in case any of them merged already, but still queued: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192819/ | 16:54 |
| greghaynes | dguerri`: that got modified in the parent patch, not sure why it'd fail there but not in parent | 16:54 |
| greghaynes | dguerri`: er, sorry, that test fail is wierd, not the patch ;) | 16:54 |
| asselin | eantyshev, yes, each their own jenkins master and nodepool slaves | 16:54 |
| mordred | mgagne: for dib images, it's done by dib | 16:54 |
| mgagne | mordred: is it done by a custom element or is an env var set? | 16:55 |
| eantyshev | asselin: thank you for that information! | 16:55 |
| mordred | mgagne: our puppet, which we run in our dib, adds it | 16:55 |
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| mgagne | oh, thanks for the info! | 16:55 |
| mordred | mgagne: although there is a dib element (local-config I think?) which will inject a local ssh key if you want for doing testing of things | 16:56 |
| greghaynes | Well, itll need to get injected with the correct user and such, I tend to use devuser for that | 16:57 |
| greghaynes | the devuser element, that is | 16:57 |
| mordred | devuser | 16:57 |
| mordred | that's it | 16:57 |
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| waynr | clarkb: would you mind looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183488 ? | 16:58 |
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| mgagne | so supported methods are: dib element (devuser), puppet, node keypair (config nodepool) | 16:58 |
| waynr | no rush I just noticed your last comment indicating that you would eventually review and approve | 16:58 |
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| mordred | mgagne: well, node keypar really only works if you're using not-dib and template nodes | 17:01 |
| mgagne | really? what if I install cloud-init? | 17:02 |
| mordred | mgagne: it's conceivable we could add keypair support to dib-based image boots - it would not be hard to do - but we do not currently use that | 17:02 |
| mordred | mgagne: nodepool doesn't provide any keypair information to nodes it boots | 17:02 |
| mgagne | wth | 17:02 |
| mordred | because it's never been an interesting thing to us | 17:02 |
| mgagne | http://docs.openstack.org/infra/nodepool/configuration.html keypair | 17:02 |
| mordred | we have already pre-created the images in both sides | 17:02 |
| mordred | so injecting them at boot time is not really a benefit | 17:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vinod Pandarinathan proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Add openstack cloudpulse channel bot https://review.openstack.org/193643 | 17:03 |
| fungi | mgagne: that tells it what keypair to use when connecting to a template instance, when customizing it in preparation to make a snapshot (used for old-style non-dib nodes) | 17:03 |
| mgagne | now that's a confusing config name | 17:03 |
| fungi | mgagne: basically a bootstrapping key | 17:03 |
| mordred | agree | 17:03 |
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| mordred | it should also get some better docs to indicate what it's there for | 17:04 |
| devananda | hey, so apparently I missed a conversation in the early hours of this morning re: whether young/new/whatever projects should go on stackforge/ or openstack/ namespace | 17:05 |
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| mordred | devananda: tl;dr - there is no reason for them to go into stackforge/ | 17:05 |
| mordred | devananda: there is no new policy on the subject, that is under discussion | 17:05 |
| greghaynes | \o/ less renaming | 17:06 |
| mordred | devananda: but it is not required, nor is there benefit, for them to go to stackforge | 17:06 |
| devananda | mordred: sure. except if they're not part of the existing team, then they dont belong in openstack/ under the umbrella of said team | 17:06 |
| mordred | devananda: there is nothing stopping them from being a new team | 17:06 |
| jeblair | s/team/project/ but yeah :) | 17:06 |
| devananda | mordred: do we have a policy for leaderless teams in openstack/ ? or just forming a new team? | 17:06 |
| devananda | jeblair: no, I mean team | 17:06 |
| mordred | just form a new team | 17:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/shade: Centralize exception management for Neutron https://review.openstack.org/192181 | 17:06 |
| mordred | yay ^^ I like that patch | 17:07 |
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| greghaynes | mordred: did you see my comment on the parent patch? it has me a little worried | 17:07 |
| mordred | greghaynes: I did not | 17:07 |
| mordred | but I'm going to AFK for lunch | 17:07 |
| mordred | so I'll look in a minute | 17:07 |
| greghaynes | mordred: basically - the parent patch failed a test that looks like it was a bug in the dependent patch | 17:07 |
| greghaynes | ok | 17:07 |
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| fungi | devananda: ideally the policy for just forming a new project team is simple enough that people don't need to spend much time debating whether it's worth doing. i note that the searchlight proposal made it from motion uploaded to gerrit to approved by the tc in a mere 6 days | 17:09 |
| asselin | fungi, is today a better day to merge this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183422/ | 17:09 |
| jeblair | devananda: i mean simply to point out that to add a new "team" you propose a "project" :) | 17:10 |
| asselin | fungi, and this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183429/ | 17:10 |
| jeblair | i suspect for the purposes of this conversation, they are largely synonymous though. | 17:10 |
| devananda | jeblair: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191142/2/reference/projects.yaml isn't proposing a new team | 17:10 |
| devananda | jeblair: and its first iteration did not either -- it proposed (and still does) adding a new project to an existing team | 17:10 |
| jeblair | devananda: yeah, that's proposing a new repo for an existing project/team | 17:10 |
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| jeblair | devananda: if you don't want it, don't accept it, and they can propose a new project/team :) | 17:11 |
| fungi | asselin: looking | 17:11 |
| devananda | jeblair: exactly what we did. now for questoin #2 -- what if we don't like the direction it's going? | 17:12 |
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| devananda | I believe the answer is: that's OK. it's a big tent. | 17:12 |
| fungi | jeblair: devananda: also if you accept it now, doesn't mean it can't spin out to be under a separate project team later, and if it's created with a new project team now that doesn't mean that it can't be absorbed into another one later. those are just governance changes at that point | 17:12 |
| devananda | fungi: *nod* | 17:12 |
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| jeblair | devananda: yeah, if they aren't part of your project/team, er, ask nicely? post to the mailing list? if you think it's a really bad idea to start with, ask that the project be rejected at the start because they aren't collaborating or something? | 17:13 |
| jeblair | devananda: but yeah, general answer is probably as you say. | 17:14 |
| devananda | big tent allows project (teams) to exist and compete. but we haven't had a case before, afaik, where within a project, a subcomponent (like the UI) had competing implementations | 17:14 |
| jeblair | i believe the tc is willing to exercise some discretion here | 17:14 |
| devananda | jeblair: sounds like we're on the same page :) | 17:14 |
| fungi | devananda: yeah, that would be as crazy as a project subcomponent like networking having competing implementations ;) | 17:15 |
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| jeblair | devananda: so if a project competes with something in a way that you think is harmful to the project, i think the tc would be willing to talk about it. | 17:15 |
| devananda | fungi: totally crazy :) | 17:15 |
| fungi | that way lies madness | 17:15 |
| jeblair | devananda: is ironic-dashboard competing with something? | 17:15 |
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| jeblair | devananda: (from my pov, i hear things like "ironic wants to run standalone" so an "ironic-dashboard" project shows up and i think "oh it must be part of that"). if i need re-education, i'm ready to recieve it. :) | 17:17 |
| devananda | jeblair: yup. see ML thread about all this, to which I have not replied yet, but clearly need to | 17:17 |
| devananda | jeblair: tldr; I wasn't aware of this new project before it was proposed to openstack/governance | 17:18 |
| anteaya | devananda: wow | 17:18 |
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| fungi | that's indeed a bit jarring | 17:18 |
| devananda | yup | 17:18 |
| anteaya | devananda: yes when I saw the patch fly past with ironic in the title I figured you were aware if not behind it | 17:18 |
| devananda | anteaya: I was not. | 17:18 |
| anteaya | devananda: thanks for telling us | 17:19 |
| devananda | the big tent allows for anyone to propose changes to governance. so I'm happy that folks are taking up their rights. but this wasn't socialized properly | 17:19 |
| devananda | none of the current ironic TEAM are behind or involved in this | 17:19 |
| devananda | and that is my only problem with it | 17:19 |
| jeblair | devananda: is there another ironic-dashboard project? or is there a panel in horizon? | 17:20 |
| fungi | well, if the projects it fronts and integrates into aren't aware of its existence, that suggests that at a minimum open design is missing from their team methodology | 17:20 |
| jeblair | devananda: where is the ironic team focusing ui work? | 17:20 |
| jeblair | fungi: indeed | 17:20 |
| devananda | jeblair: there was some (now abandoned) work from a few teams last cycle. I've been working with krotscheck (he's really been doing all the work) on new things for the past few months | 17:21 |
| fungi | this is one of the places i fear we've still somehow sent the wrong message with our governance restructuring, that teams think they need to have something designed and working _before_ they bring it to the community for consideration | 17:21 |
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| devananda | jeblair: we talked about it on friday in YVR. folks in our community know about it. there's nothing in gerrit yet, though there is a working POC on github | 17:22 |
| jeblair | devananda, krotscheck; my understanding from krotscheck's ml post is that krotscheck is working on plumbing/design, right? | 17:22 |
| jeblair | devananda: there's a what on where? | 17:23 |
| devananda | proof of concept | 17:23 |
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| jeblair | devananda: can you provide a link to that? | 17:23 |
| fungi | please explain this "gi-thub" of which you speak | 17:23 |
| devananda | heh | 17:23 |
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| devananda | jeblair: yes, but not sure how it's relevant to the discussion | 17:24 |
| * fungi read "there's some random code sprayed somewhere out on the internet" | 17:24 | |
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| devananda | fungi: so this proposal from niuzhenguo was a 2,500 line code drop on github with one contributor | 17:25 |
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| fungi | yeah, that's pretty crazy | 17:25 |
| JayF | devananda: where's the github repository that you'er all speaking about? | 17:26 |
| devananda | i assume you looked at the upstream: ref | 17:26 |
| devananda | https://github.com/niuzhenguo/ironic-dashboard | 17:26 |
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| fungi | clearly this is something written somewhere at a service provider/integrator now being "opened" | 17:26 |
| devananda | clearly | 17:26 |
| devananda | which is great. I'm delighted they wanted to share | 17:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Move writexml fix for older minidom to same module as caller https://review.openstack.org/180150 | 17:26 |
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| jeblair | devananda: okay, so here's my perception: huawei went and wrote a dashboard. hp went and wrote a dashboard. they are both on github. public discussions about them are only now starting. | 17:27 |
| devananda | but we need to colletively rewind and actually have a discussion within the project about whether we want to do this | 17:27 |
| devananda | jeblair: exactly | 17:27 |
| devananda | and the discussion recently got sideswiped by 'should it be on stackforge or openstack' | 17:27 |
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| devananda | which really isn't hte point :) | 17:28 |
| jeblair | devananda: i think there is an opportunity for both teams to get together, and figure out a way to collaborate (or else, decide that they want completely different things and these are actually two projects) | 17:28 |
| fungi | this is from huawei? i'm having _no_ luck so far finding copyright from anybody | 17:28 |
| jeblair | devananda: agreed; the stackforge/openstack thing is an inflection point where we discover things like this :) | 17:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: add query for keystone wsgi restart issue https://review.openstack.org/193571 | 17:28 |
| jeblair | fungi: er, well, someone advocating for it on the list has a huawei address | 17:29 |
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| devananda | the person who proposed the gov changes has an @huawei address | 17:29 |
| fungi | jeblair: got it | 17:30 |
| fungi | i mean, whoever put this thing on github seems to fairly consistently mark it as apache 2 license at least. just no real indication of provenance | 17:31 |
| jeblair | at any rate, i think it would good for _any_ project to start its life in a public manner, and using our project infrastructure. it doesn't help anyone to go off and work on something in private and then be surprised that someone else is doing the same thing. | 17:32 |
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| fungi | i do find a few files which were lifted from nova, so they still have "Copyright 2012 United States Government as represented by the Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. All Rights Reserved." | 17:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: add query for keystone wsgi restart issue https://review.openstack.org/193571 | 17:34 |
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| fungi | asselin: i'm cool with the zuul log management puppet changes, but feel like we should wait to merge them until after jeblair restarts zuul later today, just so that if we do discover a problem with this it won't complicate/extend that restart | 17:38 |
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| asselin | fungi, ok | 17:38 |
| asselin | fungi, I won't be around this afternoon, but I shouldn't be needed | 17:38 |
| fungi | asselin: yep. absolute worst case we revert it, but this is simple enough that we should be able to just iron out the bugs if there are any without reverting | 17:39 |
| asselin | fungi, agreed | 17:39 |
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| devananda | jeblair: I agree. though in practice, I find it easier to do a proof of concept on github, where I can delete the project if it turns out not to be a good idea. | 17:40 |
| devananda | jeblair: but pivot it to openstack/ as soon as the question "is this actually useful" is answered | 17:40 |
| devananda | afaik, ya'll still can't delete projects, right? | 17:41 |
| greghaynes | mordred: so, a few things are wierd on this image | 17:41 |
| greghaynes | mordred: on the rax image with no networking, that is | 17:41 |
| greghaynes | mordred: first is the lack of logs from simple-init | 17:41 |
| fungi | devananda: we mark them as inactive/abandoned | 17:41 |
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| fungi | technically we set them to "read-only" in gerrit | 17:42 |
| jeblair | there's no good reason to delete code that's been written. no one has to use it, and it may be useful to someone in the future. | 17:42 |
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| jeblair | (even deleting something on github is illusory at best; the internet in general is really bad about deleting things) | 17:43 |
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| devananda | indeed | 17:43 |
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| fungi | do sort of wish gerrit's api let you query/filter the repo list by config parameters | 17:45 |
| fungi | er, i do | 17:45 |
| jeblair | devananda: our community can handle experimentation. if people wanting to start new efforts just said "hey, i want to try to do a foo" then we could get people coalescing around those ideas. i'm not saying there is no place for private experimentation, but i think that the moment one thinks "i'll put this on github" is probably at or past the time one should actually be thinking "i will share this with my colleagues on the openstack proje | 17:45 |
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| anteaya | fungi: isn't that what hound is good for? | 17:45 |
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| anteaya | fungi: though that doesn't help in finding a given patch | 17:46 |
| anteaya | as hound can't index proposed patches | 17:46 |
| fungi | anteaya: in this case i'm talking about the gerrit configuration for each repo | 17:46 |
| anteaya | ah | 17:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Pin to a specific fedora mirror https://review.openstack.org/193560 | 17:46 |
| anteaya | so no way in there | 17:46 |
| fungi | anteaya: the idea being "give me a list of active (not read-only or hidden) projects in gerrit" | 17:46 |
| anteaya | oh yeah | 17:46 |
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| anteaya | gerrit only | 17:46 |
| anteaya | :( | 17:47 |
| jeblair | fungi: i bet that's not a super-difficult gerrit change | 17:47 |
| fungi | anteaya: the project list api call doesn't filter on anything besides project name and pagination | 17:47 |
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| anteaya | yeah, less then what you want | 17:47 |
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| fungi | jeblair: yeah, likely could be added as an option to the projects method | 17:48 |
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| fungi | interesting that they _do_ have a rest api call to initiate git garbage collection per project though | 17:48 |
| anteaya | interesting | 17:48 |
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| anteaya | I didn't know git had garbage collection | 17:49 |
| fungi | anteaya: man git-gc | 17:49 |
| anteaya | thank yo9u | 17:49 |
| devananda | jeblair: what is the appropriate way to experiment on new projects in gerrit? | 17:49 |
| fungi | devananda: normally when someone on the infra team wants to do that, they just create a new git repo in gerrit within the infra team | 17:50 |
| pelix | fungi jeblair mordred: there are a few changes in JJB from both Khai or myself (or have been worked on by us) that need a +2 from another core reviewer assuming they look good. | 17:50 |
| devananda | fungi: with consummate proposals to projects.yaml, governance, etc ? | 17:50 |
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| fungi | devananda: yep. those are remarkably short and easy to churn out | 17:51 |
| fungi | especially if you're starting with an empty repo and no-op jobs | 17:51 |
| devananda | fungi: maybe I'm missing something ... but it seems totaly unnecessary to involve the TC for every experimental project. and while on the TC, I dont recall ever seeing such things from infra | 17:51 |
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| devananda | fungi: also - it's much easier for infra to do that, since infra can approve infra's changes to infra | 17:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Darragh Bailey proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Ensure tests run with ConfigParser object https://review.openstack.org/179822 | 17:51 |
| devananda | fungi: than, say, me waiting a few days for ya'll to approve a new project that i want to experiment on | 17:52 |
| fungi | devananda: this is one of the reasons we pushed to have governance changes adding repos to an existing project be administrivia and not need air time in tc meetings | 17:52 |
| krotscheck | Sorry I'm late to the conversation, was relocating to Zoka | 17:52 |
| fungi | and also not block new project changes to project-config on them | 17:52 |
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| fungi | devananda: it's getting faster. we have something like 10 core reviewers on that repo now | 17:53 |
| krotscheck | (That's a coffee place) | 17:53 |
| jeblair | yep, at this point, a new repo for an existing team can be created as fast as the project-config folks review it. | 17:53 |
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| fungi | and we can add more people to that fairly easily | 17:53 |
| devananda | jeblair: fungi: oh, that's great :) | 17:54 |
| jeblair | i can't remember the last time i +Ad my own repo creation change either; i usually wake up to find a repo there 2 or 3 days later | 17:54 |
| jeblair | sometimes 1 | 17:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Change zuul-cloner parameters https://review.openstack.org/176008 | 17:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Darragh Bailey proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Ensure tests run with ConfigParser object https://review.openstack.org/179822 | 17:54 |
| devananda | krotscheck: welcome back. I may step away soon, now | 17:54 |
| krotscheck | devananda: Alrightey, what's left to discuss? | 17:55 |
| yolanda | mordred, jeblair, do you have some feedback for the nodepool 2 queue change? about working on some approach to guarantee the rate | 17:55 |
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| yolanda | mordred, yesterday i had to go, my children were looking at me with angry eyes, so i lost your feedback if you gave me | 17:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Darragh Bailey proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Take parameter order from yaml in trigger_parameterized_builds https://review.openstack.org/193660 | 17:56 |
| fungi | yolanda: great news, we have logs! http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra/%23openstack-infra.2015-06-18.log.html#t2015-06-18T17:29:36 | 17:57 |
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| yolanda | heh, fungi, good point | 17:58 |
| fungi | yolanda: though after a quick skim, i don't see them mention any suggestions after you left | 17:58 |
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| yolanda | yep, empty there | 17:59 |
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| jeblair | yolanda: i don't have a suggestion. but i will say that to get a +2 from me you will need to convince me that the change is necessary and worth the complexity. i am not sure i believe it's needed at this point. | 18:00 |
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| AJaeger | devananda: just reading the scrollback. Thanks for showing up and all the comments. | 18:00 |
| yolanda | fungi, about the logrotate approach, i got -1 from Spencer and he is proposing a new approach of not using logrotate::fileremoval, but adding the absent functionality on the logrotate::file one | 18:00 |
| anteaya | fungi: do we run git-gc on any gerrit repos? | 18:00 |
| anteaya | fungi: I haven't seen it anywhere that I recall | 18:00 |
| jeblair | anteaya: we repack them | 18:00 |
| anteaya | ah | 18:01 |
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| jeblair | anteaya: git repack -afd as i recall | 18:01 |
| anteaya | thanks I'll re-read that section | 18:01 |
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| jeblair | anteaya: you can probably find the configuration of it by searching for 'repack' in all of our repos because i have no idea where it is in puppet now. (yay hound) | 18:01 |
| anteaya | hehe | 18:02 |
| yolanda | jeblair, using you simulator it was still reporting better times, even if hpcloud times were much better | 18:02 |
| fungi | yolanda: okay, interesting. mostly just wanting to make sure we can use puppet to clean up logrotate configs somehow when we remove/rename them in the manifest | 18:02 |
| yolanda | i'm ok with using nibalizer's approach if that's simpler | 18:02 |
| fungi | yep, i don't personally care how we get therwe | 18:03 |
| fungi | there | 18:03 |
| yolanda | fungi, but i don't think that he picked the concept: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189378/2/manifests/file.pp | 18:04 |
| yolanda | the attempt of this patch is to remove files with old naming from logrotate | 18:04 |
| fungi | it's just right now we're still throwing puppet errors on review.openstack.org because of a missing logrotate file, and i would like that if we fix how that's pathed we don't leave extra logrotate configs on people's servers double-rotating some logs | 18:04 |
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| fungi | yolanda: seems like your fix is also useful long-term, and his fix is probably better for this transition | 18:05 |
| yolanda | mm, that patch he did tries to clean only the /etc/logrotate.d/basename , i'm not sure if that will help | 18:05 |
| yolanda | that's not cleaning the whole old path | 18:05 |
| AJaeger | devananda: I also pushed these folks in your direction: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193392/ | 18:06 |
| yolanda | so if the old logrotate was /var/log/jeepyb/manage_projects.log, he will clean /etc/logrotate.d/manage_projects.log, not /etc/logrotate.d/var/log/manage_projects.log | 18:06 |
| yolanda | that was the point of that | 18:06 |
| yolanda | i'll update the depends-on i created on your change to pont at nibalizer's one, but i think that this needs a fix | 18:07 |
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| greghaynes | mordred: ubuntu-minimal really is missing a lot of tools | 18:08 |
| anteaya | the birds are calling, time for me to get a walk in | 18:08 |
| greghaynes | mordred: tools like ping | 18:08 |
| fungi | yolanda: ahh, yeah looking closely i think you're right, though the file_basename var he's inserting seems to be defined outside the scope of that class | 18:09 |
| yolanda | he creates that using basename stdlib method | 18:09 |
| fungi | no, i misread | 18:09 |
| fungi | yeah, he's instantiating it in the previous line | 18:09 |
| yolanda | but i think he should remove whole path if exists, not basename | 18:09 |
| openstackgerrit | yolanda.robla proposed openstack-infra/puppet-jeepyb: Separate the fetch remotes log dir and file https://review.openstack.org/192187 | 18:10 |
| yolanda | just updated the depends | 18:10 |
| fungi | thanks! | 18:10 |
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| devananda | AJaeger: yup, thanks. I missed the discussion this morning. the question is similar for both projects, but also different | 18:11 |
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| AJaeger | devananda: I guess it was early this morning for you ;). Discuss with them and figure out what works. For me it looked like something that might fit into ironic... | 18:12 |
| devananda | AJaeger: ahc-tools is at least developed by some folks already known in ironic's community (dtantsur is an active core). but it hasn't been discussed yet whether the project-as-a-whole wants to embrace it | 18:12 |
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| pleia2 | fungi: did we want more feedback from cores re: 192473? (git-review drop period in commit message check) | 18:12 |
| devananda | AJaeger: fwiw, dtantur's explanation as to why this was proposed to stackforge is spot on | 18:13 |
| yolanda | fungi, i'll remove my fileremoval part as well, we can move under a new change to simplify it | 18:13 |
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| fungi | pleia2: i don't think so. because ultimately we aren't specifically dropping that check, we're upgrading to a later version of hacking where the community at large dropped that check | 18:13 |
| pleia2 | fungi: yeah, just realized I was reading the old commit message | 18:14 |
| devananda | AJaeger: in past cycles, i've strongly encouraged folks to do initial work on stackforge and move to openstack/* when the project met a few requirements: it has unit and functional tests, it has sufficient developer docs that other devs can jump in easily, and the project team agrees with the direction | 18:14 |
| pleia2 | fungi: thanks | 18:14 |
| dimsum__ | pleia2: fungi: can one of you please bless this? (devstack-gate review for oslo.service) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186365/ | 18:14 |
| devananda | AJaeger, jeblair: I feel that that ^ is still a good bar, but if we're not using stackforge for it, then I'm not sure where to encourage that work to happen, or how to indicate it within the openstack/* namespace | 18:15 |
| fungi | devananda: it's a good question, and i think it still needs some debate. as a thought experiment i like to consider what we'd do if there weren't namespaces at all on these. we still have the governance repo to indicate who's leading the effort for any group of one or more repos | 18:16 |
| openstackgerrit | yolanda.robla proposed openstack-infra/puppet-jeepyb: Separate the fetch remotes log dir and file https://review.openstack.org/192187 | 18:16 |
| yolanda | ok, that's it | 18:16 |
| pleia2 | dimsum__: sure, lgtm | 18:16 |
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| * AJaeger agrees with fungi | 18:16 | |
| dimsum__ | thanks pleia2 | 18:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Take configuraiton control to test hooks for networking-odl https://review.openstack.org/192433 | 18:17 |
| mgagne | clarkb: I'm getting "TypeError: execve() arg 3 contains a non-string value" with nodepool. Remember what was the cause of it? | 18:17 |
| AJaeger | devananda: right now the default seems to be "go stackforge, then move to openstack". I'd like us to break out of this | 18:17 |
| devananda | fungi: following your thought experiment ... let's say someone creates openstack/ironic-foo, but no one in ironic-core team knows them, so they create a new ironic-foo team in gerrit | 18:17 |
| yolanda | jeblair, for nodepool.conf new file, i got some questions that i think they are valid. One is rename nodepool.conf to auth.conf | 18:18 |
| AJaeger | devananda: If there's a review for ironic-foo in openstack, we ask for which project this is part of. | 18:18 |
| yolanda | second one is not use [mysql] section for the database, and use the more generic [database] term | 18:18 |
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| devananda | fungi: do we expect the consumers of openstack (distros, ops, etc) to realize that the openstack/ironic-foo project (the code itself, i mean) is essentially unrelated and not maintained by the same people as openstack/ironic ? | 18:18 |
| AJaeger | If it's in ironic, we would only approve after your explicit +1 on it. | 18:18 |
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| AJaeger | And if there's no project adoptiong it, it needs to be a new project -> so first to TC via governance repo before we approve it | 18:19 |
| devananda | AJaeger: sure, that's how it is today. but i'm following fungi's thought experiment a bit to see what alternatives might exist | 18:19 |
| AJaeger | devananda: Ah, you think two steps further... | 18:20 |
| devananda | AJaeger: sure. creation of a new *team* now requires TC approval, whereas an existing team gets a rubber stamp to create a new *repository* | 18:20 |
| devananda | AJaeger: that's an interesting world, and I largely agree -- the teams are what matters to us developers. but the rest of the world is looking at the software our teams produce | 18:20 |
| devananda | AJaeger: and they look at the project // code repository names, at least today | 18:21 |
| fungi | devananda: agreed, it's a grey area. this is one of the reasons i'm in favor of jeblair's proposal to require all repos we host to be in tc-recognized projects, and just make it as easy as possible to get a new project recognized by the tc | 18:21 |
| devananda | fungi: s/tc-recognized projects/tc-recognized project teams/ | 18:22 |
| AJaeger | devananda: I see the point. Right now an "ironic-FOO" project in stackforge might tell people "look closely, it's not mature" while in openstack the perception is different. We have the tags in the governance repo but those are new | 18:22 |
| devananda | we renamed it again :) | 18:22 |
| fungi | yeah | 18:22 |
| devananda | AJaeger: exactly. | 18:22 |
| fungi | at least then if there is a concern by one project-team over repo names chosen by another project-team, they're both under the governance of the tc and can seek mediation if needed | 18:22 |
| devananda | AJaeger: also, tags do not indicate maturity of a project, and many folks object to ever allowing that | 18:23 |
| devananda | AJaeger: so there is no way to tell, from tags, that openstack/ironic-foo and openstack/ironic-bar are of different maturity levels, managed by different teams of people, etc | 18:23 |
| devananda | so i think the name of a project still carries a ver ysignificant association | 18:24 |
| fungi | aside from the obvious "getting out of the business of renaming constantly repos," i'd love it if the infra team could also get out of the business of deciding who gets to create projects under what teams, with what names, et cetera | 18:24 |
| devananda | fungi: ++ | 18:24 |
| AJaeger | fungi: ++ | 18:24 |
| AJaeger | devananda: so that's only part of the OPS tag discussion? | 18:24 |
| devananda | as an aside, this is one reason why bifrost is called bifrost, not ironic-installer. i anticipate that, some day, someone else may create a similar project using chef or puppet or something else with ironic, and didn't want to imply that there would be one and only one such project | 18:26 |
| AJaeger | devananda: but nothing hinders the TC to propose a tag "experimental" that the PTL decides on and which would be the default for new repositories... | 18:26 |
| devananda | AJaeger: heh ... but who decides what project(s) are experimental? | 18:26 |
| devananda | AJaeger: I think the TC will not do that | 18:26 |
| AJaeger | devananda: my proposal was: Every new repo is by default experimental. The PTL of the project team adopting it can ask for removal of the flag | 18:27 |
| persia | +1 | 18:27 |
| AJaeger | devananda: that puts you into the driver seat for ironic-BAR. Once you consider it non-experimental, you remove the flag. | 18:28 |
| AJaeger | Like today: You experiment in stackforge and when you consider it non-experimental, you ask for moving it to openstack. | 18:28 |
| fungi | devananda: also i'm unsure it matters if a project-team and/or repo is experimental. we have plenty of people creating experimental work and hosting it in our infrastructure already. if we need a registry of what's experimental we can consider maintaining one, but remaning a git repo to indicate whether or not it's experimental is the current thing we would love to _not_ be doing | 18:28 |
| fungi | s/remaning/renaming/ | 18:28 |
| devananda | fungi: indeed. I support you in wanting to have less of that | 18:29 |
| mgagne | anyone got "TypeError: execve() arg 3 contains a non-string value" when nodepool tries to build an image with DIB? It stopped working for reasons yet unknown to me | 18:30 |
| greghaynes | mgagne: got more detailed traceback? | 18:31 |
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| greghaynes | mgagne: also, youre running latest nodepool? | 18:32 |
| mgagne | from pypi | 18:32 |
| mgagne | http://paste.openstack.org/show/305001/ | 18:32 |
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| fungi | i tried to pull up one of our dib logs but it has caused firefox to eat all my cpu now | 18:34 |
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| mgagne | yea, try chrome instead. AFAIK, firefox doesn't stream the page while it's rendering it unlike chrome | 18:35 |
| greghaynes | mgagne: hrm, that looks like its the qemu-img-options bit | 18:35 |
| fungi | not seeing it at http://nodepool.openstack.org/dib.devstack-trusty.log | 18:35 |
| fungi | i'll check our debug logs though | 18:36 |
| mgagne | clarkb once saw it in 2014 :D | 18:36 |
| fungi | the internet never forgets! | 18:36 |
| fungi | no hits in our nodepool debug logs either | 18:37 |
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| greghaynes | mgagne: youre in a spot where you can edit nodepool and retry? | 18:37 |
| mgagne | yes | 18:38 |
| greghaynes | mgagne: I have some code you could inject to debug | 18:38 |
| mgagne | sure | 18:38 |
| greghaynes | mgagne: add self.log.info(str([type(x) for x in [dib_cmd, img_types, qemu_img_options, filename, img_elements])) right after self.log.info('Running %s' % cmd) in nodepool.py on line 832 | 18:38 |
| greghaynes | actually | 18:38 |
| greghaynes | thatll syntax fail | 18:38 |
| mgagne | in _buildImage right? | 18:38 |
| greghaynes | mgagne: self.log.info(str([type(x) for x in [dib_cmd, img_types, qemu_img_options, filename, img_elements]])) | 18:39 |
| greghaynes | yes | 18:39 |
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| mgagne | I think you were looking for "<type 'unicode'>" right? :D | 18:40 |
| mgagne | last argument | 18:40 |
| mgagne | img_elements | 18:41 |
| greghaynes | nice | 18:41 |
| mgagne | rerunning with (what I hope) is now ascii | 18:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Elizabeth K. Joseph proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Add StevenK and Infra as Zanata admins https://review.openstack.org/193677 | 18:42 |
| mgagne | my element is "développeur" /jk | 18:42 |
| greghaynes | well, no wonder :p | 18:42 |
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| greghaynes | clearly we shouldnt have tried to make the tableflip emoji element | 18:43 |
| mgagne | should nodepool be updated to str() the value? | 18:43 |
| greghaynes | very possibly, although that does beg the question of what do we encode as... | 18:44 |
| greghaynes | almost seems like we should error if it needs to be encoded | 18:45 |
| mgagne | not sure how encoded that is: https://github.com/openstack-infra/nodepool/blob/ab191ad797a5ae00cc006473cf733c38f92d1ab7/nodepool/cmd/config_validator.py#L94 | 18:46 |
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| greghaynes | huh, I have no idea if that schema validation accepts unicode for str, I guess it must?} | 18:46 |
| mgagne | or add encoding validation below, I'm really not familiar with voluptuous | 18:46 |
| greghaynes | anyhnow, we should make 100% sure that is the actualy issue before charging ahead | 18:47 |
| greghaynes | I am kind of surprised at it... | 18:47 |
| mgagne | self.log.info('%s of type %s', image.elements, type(image.elements)) | 18:49 |
| mgagne | nodepool.DiskImageBuilderThread: ubuntu vm devuser of type <type 'unicode'> | 18:49 |
| mgagne | # file /etc/nodepool/nodepool.yaml | 18:50 |
| mgagne | /etc/nodepool/nodepool.yaml: ASCII text | 18:50 |
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| mgagne | now they are all str and it's crashing still | 18:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/infra-manual: Improve wording in governance change https://review.openstack.org/192665 | 19:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/infra-manual: Add clarification on questions in reviews https://review.openstack.org/177364 | 19:00 |
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| greghaynes | mgagne: awesome | 19:05 |
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| mgagne | ok, I casted everything to str() and it works. now dib requires sudo which it didn't yesterday for some reasons (or sudo got reverted?) | 19:06 |
| greghaynes | dib has always required sodo | 19:06 |
| greghaynes | er, sudo | 19:06 |
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| mgagne | yea so I don't know really what changed here | 19:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | greghaynes proposed openstack-infra/nodepool: Cast DIB args to strings https://review.openstack.org/193683 | 19:09 |
| greghaynes | mgagne: ^ is that what you did? | 19:09 |
| greghaynes | also -> lunch | 19:09 |
| fungi | huh, so we did eventually get our dib uploads, they just started a couple hours later today than yesterday http://cacti.openstack.org/cacti/graph.php?action=view&local_graph_id=982&rra_id=all | 19:10 |
| fungi | mordred: ^ | 19:10 |
| mgagne | I think I tried cmd = str(...) and it didn't worked. I cast everything above with str(). will have to test again to make sure | 19:10 |
| mgagne | and I would really like to know what happened since yesterday | 19:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/git-review: Update to newer hacking checks https://review.openstack.org/192473 | 19:10 |
| mordred | fungi: yes - I agree that we have just started those | 19:11 |
| greghaynes | mgagne: If you said youre installing from pip then nothing should be different since then - we havent cut any releases | 19:11 |
| fungi | mordred: well, they seem to have ended now and nodepool is building new nodes again | 19:11 |
| mgagne | sure, that's why I'm wondering what I did since :-/ | 19:11 |
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| mgagne | maybe I paste a string from the internet which was encoded in UTF-8 and now my whole file is considered UTF-8, I'm not sure | 19:12 |
| mordred | fungi: have you looked in the logs to see if we successfully uploaded??? | 19:13 |
| fungi | mordred: looking now | 19:13 |
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| fungi | mordred: i see devstack-trusty uploads in hpcloud with an age of ~20 minutes | 19:14 |
| fungi | that's reported in the image-list, now i'm correlating to the log | 19:14 |
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| fungi | 2015-06-19 17:55:02,014 INFO nodepool.DiskImageUpdater: Uploading dib image id: 123439 from /opt/nodepool_dib/devstack-trusty-1434723361 for devstack-trusty-1434736502.template.openstack.org in hpcloud-b5 | 19:16 |
| fungi | 2015-06-19 18:52:58,124 DEBUG nodepool.DiskImageUpdater: Image id: 123439 saving image 891bf712-579c-4df2-8dd5-471f4e1d15ec | 19:16 |
| fungi | 2015-06-19 18:52:58,507 DEBUG nodepool.ProviderManager: Status of image in hpcloud-b5 891bf712-579c-4df2-8dd5-471f4e1d15ec: ACTIVE | 19:16 |
| fungi | looks like that was successful | 19:17 |
| mordred | awesome | 19:17 |
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| mordred | any rax hits? | 19:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Daneyon Hansen proposed openstack-infra/irc-meetings: Add meeting for Magnum Networking Subgroup https://review.openstack.org/193694 | 19:17 |
| fungi | are we dib-ing anything into rax yet? ubuntu-trusty images yeah? | 19:17 |
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| mordred | yeah | 19:18 |
| pleia2 | we're in friday afternoon no meeting time, if anyone wants to look at some channel logging reviews we have piling up: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161106/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187492/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190691/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193643/ | 19:18 |
| fungi | there are ubuntu-trusty images in rax (supposedly) for the past 4.5 hours | 19:18 |
| fungi | that seems incongruous with the upload times for hpcloud | 19:18 |
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| mordred | yah | 19:18 |
| fungi | the same images were uploaded to hpcloud 20 minutes ago | 19:19 |
| mgagne | muhaha, found it! | 19:19 |
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| mgagne | execve() arg 3 -> http://linux.die.net/man/2/execve int main(int argc, char *argv[], char *envp[]) | 19:20 |
| mgagne | envp <- I added a bunch of env variables for the devuser element. One could be considered a boolean by yaml: yes, true, etc. | 19:20 |
| fungi | mordred: though in positive news, the only ubuntu-trusty images reported in rax are from today, so that implies some change in the right direction | 19:20 |
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| mgagne | greghaynes: so I think the correct fix would be to cast all environment variable to str() | 19:21 |
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| greghaynes | ahh | 19:21 |
| greghaynes | yes, Ill abandon my patch | 19:21 |
| mgagne | that's why str(cmd) didn't work | 19:22 |
| mgagne | but I also included env variables when I tried to cast everything | 19:22 |
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| mordred | fungi: Last Modified: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 14:22:33 GMT | 19:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Burroughs proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: support sparse/polling path git plugin settings https://review.openstack.org/193696 | 19:23 |
| mordred | fungi: I show that the image uploaded to swift with that as a timestamp | 19:24 |
| mordred | fungi: also, the glance and swift images withteh same name have the same metadata md5 and sha256 | 19:24 |
| mordred | so that's nice | 19:24 |
| fungi | mordred: excellent. i wonder why the 4-hour time skew | 19:24 |
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| mgagne | "Password auth exception. Try number 14..." would be great to know which node is tried ^^' | 19:25 |
| mordred | fungi: hrm. I wonder if the timezone is off on those swift servers | 19:25 |
| fungi | we did have two spikes today, 4 hours apart, the first higher but finished more quickly | 19:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/git-review: Fix H238 violation and enable check for that rule https://review.openstack.org/192477 | 19:26 |
| fungi | mordred: so i think that nodepool uploaded diskimages into rax shortly after the 14:14 start time, basically first thing, then did other stuff for 4 hours, then uploaded into hpcloud | 19:27 |
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| fungi | it's conceivable with a warm cache that the ubuntu-trusty image build, since there's so little to it, would happen very quickly | 19:27 |
| fungi | and that's the only one we're dib'ing in rax currently | 19:27 |
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| mordred | yah | 19:28 |
| fungi | also i deleted the existing ubuntu-trusty nodes because they were in hpcloud, and the replacement is now building in rax-iad | 19:28 |
| fungi | since ~5 minutes | 19:28 |
| fungi | it disappeared :( | 19:29 |
| fungi | looking in the logs now | 19:29 |
| mordred | 2015-06-19 14:01:12,931 INFO nodepool.DiskImageUpdater: Uploading dib image id: 123352 from /opt/nodepool_dib/ubuntu-trusty-1434291359 for ubuntu-trusty-1434722472.template.openstack.org in rax-dfw | 19:29 |
| mordred | 2015-06-19 14:49:23,269 INFO nodepool.DiskImageUpdater: Image ubuntu-trusty-1434722472.template.openstack.org in rax-dfw is ready | 19:29 |
| lifeless | mordred: so hu | 19:29 |
| mordred | btw | 19:29 |
| lifeless | erm | 19:29 |
| lifeless | hi | 19:29 |
| fungi | mordred: raise LaunchNetworkException("Unable to find public IP of server") | 19:29 |
| lifeless | actually nvm, I was going to ask for a silly thing because I'm impatient. I'll just do it Monday. | 19:29 |
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| * mordred hands lifeless a lovely saturday morning | 19:30 | |
| fungi | lifeless: greetings over there in the future. how's the weekend | 19:30 |
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| mordred | fungi: yah - I think that's what greghaynes may have been working on yesterday | 19:30 |
| lifeless | fungi: dark and early :) | 19:30 |
| fungi | heh | 19:30 |
| lifeless | seriously. pitch black outside - mid winter 730 | 19:30 |
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| fungi | lifeless: clearly you're wrong. i'm looking out the door and it's a bright, sunny summer day | 19:31 |
| fungi | we can't both be right | 19:31 |
| fungi | mordred: so anyway, we _can_ dib into rax now, but we can't boot the result (yet) | 19:31 |
| fungi | so, anyway, yay progress! | 19:32 |
| openstackgerrit | yolanda.robla proposed openstack-infra/nodepool: Allow to delete nodes with missing target or provider https://review.openstack.org/192629 | 19:32 |
| greghaynes | mordred: fungi: yep, poking at that | 19:32 |
| mordred | fungi: it's SO MUCH PROGRESS | 19:33 |
| greghaynes | fungi: it boots, just no networking | 19:33 |
| mordred | fungi: now all we have to do is fix an element | 19:33 |
| fungi | so much progress it all over yuo screen | 19:33 |
| fungi | and mine too | 19:33 |
| * jeblair lunches | 19:33 | |
| fungi | i'm going back to doc sprinting if anyone needs me | 19:34 |
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| mordred | greghaynes: anything I can do to help on that - I feel like I have not been useful in helping to diagnose | 19:35 |
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| greghaynes | mordred: dont think so, although soon I may be throwing some theories your way, have to test a couple thoughts | 19:36 |
| mordred | cool | 19:36 |
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| greghaynes | mordred: most of the time is just how slow dev cycles are for buil/upload/boot | 19:36 |
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| greghaynes | oh, funny bug - I think if we run gean -i eth0, then glean -i eth1 we end up with only eth1 into in e/n/i | 19:37 |
| mordred | greghaynes: hrm. maybe it's a race with the event-driven stuff? | 19:38 |
| fungi | especially if you ran gean rather than glean for the first one | 19:38 |
| greghaynes | yep, thats kind of what I suspect | 19:38 |
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| greghaynes | added a bunch of debug and am respinning | 19:38 |
| mordred | woot | 19:39 |
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| lifeless | fungi: lets take the mean | 19:40 |
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| mordred | lifeless: what is the mean of gean and glean? | 19:42 |
| greghaynes | glear | 19:42 |
| mordred | we need a glear project clearly | 19:42 |
| persia | ghchg | 19:42 |
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| lifeless | mordred: summer and winter, day and night. | 19:45 |
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| fungi | mordred: or glare | 19:46 |
| mgagne | mordred: we had someone come to an interview and talked about the OpenStack Glare and Redstone projects | 19:46 |
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| fungi | hah | 19:47 |
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| timrc | mgagne, Hope you hired them on the spot. | 19:50 |
| mgagne | timrc: so we are the first to contribute to this Glare project | 19:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-infra/project-config: don't run dsvm tests on doc only changes https://review.openstack.org/193707 | 19:53 |
| timrc | Seriously though... keystone, pbr... whoever is naming these projects has poor taste in beer ;-) | 19:53 |
| greghaynes | keystone-lite, even | 19:53 |
| sdague | so, anyone want to give me a friday gift and land https://review.openstack.org/193707 so we can land devstack doc patches faster :) | 19:54 |
| timrc | We should switch Openstack codenames over to cheap beers... (M)ilwuake's Best, (N)atty Light, (S)chlitz, etc. | 19:54 |
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| anteaya | so if I contribute to Glare to I get sunglasses as a gift? | 20:01 |
| anteaya | polarized? | 20:01 |
| dimsum__ | Glare and Redstone. whoa | 20:02 |
| anteaya | Redstone is a lake close to where I live | 20:03 |
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| greghaynes | mordred: so whats happening is glean is getting run before the config-drive is findable via blkid | 20:08 |
| greghaynes | mordred: so were back in init dependency hell | 20:08 |
| mordred | greghaynes: OH GOOD | 20:10 |
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| greghaynes | mordred: oh wait, I think im wrong, I put my debug info wrong | 20:11 |
| mordred | PHEW | 20:11 |
| greghaynes | its telling me no confi drive found but it might actualyl mean the opposite | 20:11 |
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| greghaynes | mordred: another bug found though - we depend on openssh-server which isnt in ubuntu-minimal | 20:13 |
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| greghaynes | because we do the dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server with set -e | 20:14 |
| sdague | AJaeger, anteaya, fungi - thanks! | 20:14 |
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| anteaya | sdague: happy Friday to you | 20:14 |
| mordred | greghaynes: heh. well, also - we should definitely put an ssh server on there | 20:16 |
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| anteaya | do we have a server up for hound currently? | 20:17 |
| anteaya | I'm guessing kdc01 and 02 are not it | 20:18 |
| fungi | anteaya: there's a hound.openstack.org which is up for testing, mentioned in the spec | 20:18 |
| anteaya | and I can't browse to them anyway | 20:18 |
| anteaya | ah I didn't see it in cacti | 20:18 |
| fungi | anteaya: kdc01 and 02 are kerberos domain controllers | 20:18 |
| anteaya | didn't check the spec, thanks | 20:19 |
| anteaya | ah okay thanks | 20:19 |
| fungi | anteaya: er, kerberos key distribution centers, sorry | 20:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: don't run dsvm tests on doc only changes https://review.openstack.org/193707 | 20:20 |
| anteaya | np | 20:20 |
| anteaya | I would have to look up the difference anyway | 20:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Clean up old SSH keys for fungi https://review.openstack.org/193713 | 20:20 |
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| anteaya | taron: something of note, in hound when I search for `git pack ` I still get results with git package though I did specify the whitespace after pack in my entry | 20:21 |
| * taron notes | 20:22 | |
| anteaya | thanks | 20:22 |
| anteaya | and git package is all I am returned | 20:22 |
| taron | if I'm going to work on refreshing the config files I might as well hack on the rest of it too | 20:22 |
| anteaya | no git pack results at all, regardless of flags | 20:22 |
| taron | huh | 20:22 |
| mordred | taron, anteaya: I'm not sure what their definition of regex is | 20:23 |
| mordred | but I can't seem to get any regexes to work | 20:23 |
| mordred | anteaya: I _DO_ get some resulst for git pack with no quotes | 20:23 |
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| anteaya | I didn't use quotes | 20:23 |
| anteaya | http://hound.openstack.org/?q=git%20pack&i=nope&files=&repos= | 20:23 |
| taron | yeah the results without quotes are all git package it seems | 20:24 |
| anteaya | taron: thanks for confirming | 20:24 |
| fungi | anteaya: you want git repack | 20:24 |
| mordred | this works: http://hound.openstack.org/?q=git.*pack\b.*&i=nope&files=&repos= | 20:24 |
| anteaya | ah | 20:24 |
| fungi | but yeah | 20:24 |
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| mordred | http://hound.openstack.org/?q=git%20repack\b&i=nope&files=&repos= | 20:24 |
| mordred | anteaya: \b is a regex char that says "word boundary" | 20:24 |
| mordred | fwiw | 20:24 |
| mordred | and yeah - regexes _do_ work when I search for something with hits :) | 20:25 |
| taron | my kingdom for consistent regex implementation across languages/tools :| | 20:25 |
| mordred | taron: it seems fairly consistent with what I'd expect ... my first tries just weren't actually anything with hits | 20:25 |
| * anteaya must attend to the stove for about 10 minutes and will return | 20:25 | |
| jeblair | if only there were a, i don't know, "perl compatible regular expression library" that any language could link against and use! | 20:25 |
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| taron | \b seems to be one of the more consistently supported characters | 20:26 |
| fungi | anteaya: http://hound.openstack.org/?q=git.*repack&i=nope&files=&repos= manages to get the places i expect to see (system-config, puppet-gerrit, zuul) | 20:26 |
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| fungi | jeblair: we should invent that and call it pcre | 20:26 |
| jeblair | fungi: good name for it! | 20:26 |
| taron | heh | 20:26 |
| fungi | mainly because we're uninventive people | 20:26 |
| fungi | when it comes to names | 20:26 |
| mordred | fungi: and then reimplement it in scratch in languages that don't link against C | 20:26 |
| mordred | s/in/from/ | 20:27 |
| fungi | mordred: sometimes very badly | 20:27 |
| fungi | and inconsistently | 20:27 |
| * taron uses pcre for everything they can but doesn't know what to do with themself when bits of it are missing | 20:27 | |
| fungi | and that brings us up to... today | 20:27 |
| taron | yup | 20:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/shade: Add Neutron/Nova Floating IP list/search/get https://review.openstack.org/183496 | 20:27 |
| * mordred is not sure if taron means "taron" or "pcre" by "it" | 20:28 | |
| taron | pcre | 20:28 |
| * mordred is not implying that taron misspoke - but rather that choosing to be confused is more fun | 20:28 | |
| taron | heh | 20:28 |
| taron | this is fair | 20:28 |
| jeblair | mordred always choses confusion | 20:28 |
| jeblair | i think | 20:28 |
| jeblair | maybe? | 20:28 |
| jeblair | sometimes | 20:28 |
| jeblair | mordred always causes confusion | 20:28 |
| mordred | jeblair: I may or may not always, sometimes or never choose confusion or lack thereof | 20:28 |
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| Clint | seems like a useful strategy | 20:29 |
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| * mordred thinks his policy is too clearly stated | 20:29 | |
| fungi | mordred embodies the chaos and confusion which underlies the creative process | 20:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack-infra/project-config: puppet-gnocchi: enable beaker jobs https://review.openstack.org/193715 | 20:30 |
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| * mordred underlies the embodiement of confusion and creativity in the chaos process | 20:31 | |
| anteaya | mordred fungi thank you for the search queries both were better than mine | 20:32 |
| taron | chaos... blood for the blood god? | 20:32 |
| fungi | the sacred chao | 20:33 |
| Clint | chao of chaos | 20:34 |
| fungi | as a member of the golden apple corps, i fully endorse this consistent inconsistency | 20:34 |
| mordred | anteaya: fun with regexes is fun | 20:35 |
| * taron is fond of regex crosswords | 20:35 | |
| mordred | anteaya: hopefully soon you can get mmmpork to mind-meld some perl with you, at which point you'll never quite be the same | 20:35 |
| taron | I'm quite bad at them, but they're good practice | 20:36 |
| mordred | taron: that sounds wow | 20:36 |
| anteaya | mordred: I'm looking forward to it? | 20:36 |
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| mordred | anteaya: exactly | 20:36 |
| taron | http://regexcrossword.com/ relatedly | 20:36 |
| anteaya | wonderful | 20:37 |
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| fungi | oh, and since it's friday, i should partake of no hot dog buns. almost forgot | 20:39 |
| openstackgerrit | K Jonathan Harker proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Fix logic error in gate-project-config-projects-yaml https://review.openstack.org/193717 | 20:39 |
| mordred | taron: ok. that is entirely too much fun | 20:40 |
| taron | :) | 20:40 |
| jesusaurus | taron: oh cool | 20:40 |
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| jesusaurus | mordred: fungi: jeblair: I found a lack of test coverage in check_valid_gerrit_projects.py ^^ | 20:41 |
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| fungi | jesusaurus: great catch. i take it that job still succeeds on the current dataset with that fix | 20:43 |
| jesusaurus | yep :) | 20:44 |
| fungi | ahh, so it does. i see the job has already completed | 20:45 |
| fungi | looks like someone added the label check later | 20:45 |
| fungi | and missed that they were adding after an unrelated short-circuit | 20:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | K Jonathan Harker proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add 'head-reference' as a valid gerrit project label https://review.openstack.org/193721 | 20:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Use accessIPv4 if it's there https://review.openstack.org/193569 | 20:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Add IPv6 to the server information too https://review.openstack.org/193581 | 20:58 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: oh interesting, I was just looking through gear and I noticed another thing the ambiguity around unique ids affected. | 21:00 |
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| SpamapS | jeblair: In other gearman clients, when you submit a job, they use a hash ring to select which server based on the unique id. | 21:00 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: this way if you have coalescing, you are more likely to coalesce only once. | 21:00 |
| * anteaya having finished dinner clicks on http://regexcrossword.com/ | 21:02 | |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack-infra/infra-manual: Update gerrit ACL docs to mention library-release https://review.openstack.org/193309 | 21:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Fix logic error in gate-project-config-projects-yaml https://review.openstack.org/193717 | 21:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/requirements: Fix setup.cfg. https://review.openstack.org/192921 | 21:25 |
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| greghaynes | mordred: pretty sure whats happening is just the bug where if we run glean -i <interface> we overwrite existing interface config, and were running eth0, then eth1, eth0 is the public and gets overwritten therefore no networking | 21:27 |
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| greghaynes | mordred: I kind of think we should be using the e/n/i.d rather then e/n/i then this isnt an issue | 21:28 |
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| fungi | greghaynes: how is that handled for red hat derivative distros? | 21:29 |
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| greghaynes | fungi: looks like we do per-interface | 21:29 |
| greghaynes | er, per-interface files | 21:30 |
| fungi | got it, so separate /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 et cetera | 21:30 |
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| greghaynes | yep | 21:30 |
| fungi | so this was already fine for them, just not debian derivatives | 21:31 |
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| fungi | that makes sense | 21:31 |
| greghaynes | yea, and im guessing what happened is we switched to triggering this init script per-interface rather than once for all interfaces, this bug cropped | 21:31 |
| greghaynes | er, this bug cropped up then | 21:31 |
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| waynr | anteaya: great, and I was starting to actually feel productive today | 21:34 |
| mordred | greghaynes: cool. let's do ifcfg.d | 21:34 |
| anteaya | waynr: ah congratulations? | 21:34 |
| waynr | (was being sarcastically appreciative of your link) | 21:35 |
| greghaynes | mordred: ya, working on that now | 21:35 |
| anteaya | waynr: ah, sarcasm floats right past me, grew up with a household of it | 21:35 |
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| anteaya | waynr: glad you are appreciative, taron is the original sharer of the link | 21:35 |
| mordred | greghaynes: woot. I guess that probably means a change to both glean and the simple-init element (such that simple-init should lay down /e/n/i with the include line in it) | 21:36 |
| dhellmann | fungi, mordred : could one of you look at this change to sync requirements into mox3? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190741/ | 21:36 |
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| greghaynes | mordred: yep | 21:38 |
| mordred | dhellmann: +3 | 21:39 |
| dhellmann | mordred: ty | 21:39 |
| anteaya | mordred: I want you to find a restaurant with a triclinium: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triclinium | 21:39 |
| hashar | lifeless: thanks a ton for diskimage-builder , seems you are one of the early committer :-} | 21:39 |
| anteaya | I had been looking up fainting couches and it led me here | 21:39 |
| anteaya | mordred: I don't have to be in attendance at the restaurant I just need to know one exists | 21:40 |
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| bknudson | requirements update breaks keystone unit tests -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190405/7 | 21:56 |
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| hashar | everyone must have left but. Nodepool more or less works for Wikimedia Fundation !!! https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/computer/ci-jessie-wikimedia-38/ :-D | 22:26 |
| hashar | have a good week-end everone | 22:26 |
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| anteaya | hashar: yay | 22:32 |
| anteaya | hashar: and to you too | 22:32 |
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| hashar | of course nodepool deleted the slave as soon as I ran a job on it :-} | 22:32 |
| anteaya | of course | 22:33 |
| anteaya | :) | 22:33 |
| jeblair | hashar: it has a habit of doing that. :) and cool! | 22:33 |
| anteaya | working as expected | 22:33 |
| hashar | overall it was not that hard to install and setup | 22:33 |
| anteaya | nice | 22:33 |
| hashar | had to understand what OpenStack is and all the related jargon and of course read the doc | 22:33 |
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| hashar | so kudos guys for supporting unrelated 3rd parties with nice software and docs :-] | 22:34 |
| jeblair | hashar: we try to confuse people by writing docs. no one expects that. | 22:35 |
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| hashar | oh | 22:35 |
| hashar | I just amend them as needed | 22:35 |
| jeblair | even better :) | 22:35 |
| jeblair | fungi: when you have a minute, it looks like we still have 2 ask.o.o servers; do you know if we're ready to delete one? | 22:36 |
| jeblair | (for that matter, we also have two review.o.o servers. i bet we could delete one of them as well) | 22:37 |
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| hashar | happy week-end. | 22:39 |
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| jeblair | novaclient.exceptions.Forbidden: Policy doesn't allow compute_flavor:create:image_backed to be performed. (HTTP 403) (Request-ID: req-66be769b-2901-4ab0-b263-664ad7a35812) | 22:44 |
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| jeblair | oh that's neat; that happens if you try to use launch-node to create a compute-flavor instance in rax | 22:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config: Add jhesketh to infrastructure servers https://review.openstack.org/190879 | 22:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config: Up the haproxy timeout for git-fe* https://review.openstack.org/192649 | 22:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/requirements: sync requirements to mox3 https://review.openstack.org/190741 | 23:03 |
| uberjay | asselin: huh, something funny going on for me. changes which have deps on unknown projects are sitting in the queue and not getting executed. see screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/rvnHzfa.png | 23:04 |
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| anteaya | I always feel so bad standing up | 23:27 |
| anteaya | the cat has spend such time to get comfy | 23:27 |
| anteaya | and then I stand up and all is lost | 23:27 |
| anteaya | :( | 23:27 |
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| fungi | jeblair: yeah, pretty sure we can delete the review and ask servers which don't match dns at this point. just a sec and i'll get rid of the right ones | 23:29 |
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| fungi | jeblair: all gone! | 23:32 |
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| fungi | back to trying to make myself document things on a friday night | 23:36 |
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| jeblair | fungi: i'm still trying to figure out how to launch a node that boots from a volume :( | 23:37 |
| fungi | jeblair: that sounds like friday fun for masochists | 23:38 |
| jeblair | fungi: i'm starting to think it involves setting up an ec2 account | 23:38 |
| fungi | https://artfulanxiety.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/pdvd_056.jpg | 23:39 |
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| anteaya | ha ha ha | 23:47 |
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| fungi | it's the american way | 23:48 |
| anteaya | effective in many cases | 23:49 |
| anteaya | in canada every business has to have at least three purposes | 23:49 |
| anteaya | the dollar store/post office/drycleaners is in the centre of town | 23:49 |
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| anteaya | cinder channel is fairly quiet right now | 23:56 |
| anteaya | I looked to see if someone was about | 23:57 |
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