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| lifeless | where is zuul-cloner housed ? | 00:13 |
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| clarkb | in zuul | 00:20 |
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| lifeless | fungi: ironically, zuul's pbr line: pbr>=0.5.21,<1.0 | 00:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Make it possible to use a regular zuul-cloner. https://review.openstack.org/195809 | 00:28 |
| ianw | lifeless: is this a "switch it off and switch it on again situation" (i.e. start again) -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1468942 | 00:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468942 in devstack "Error installing devstack after pulling latest code" [Undecided,New] | 00:29 |
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| lifeless | ianw: its a dupe | 00:34 |
| lifeless | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/068031.html | 00:34 |
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| ianw | lifeless: ah, pick the person who hasn't opened openstack-dev yet today :0 | 00:36 |
| lifeless | :) | 00:37 |
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| pabelanger | SpamapS, sounds good. will check it out | 00:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Fix leaks of tempdirs. https://review.openstack.org/195815 | 01:02 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Allow using custom requirements trees. https://review.openstack.org/195816 | 01:02 |
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| ianw | fungi / jeblair / clarkb : anyone around to put a centos7 vm on hold for me ... qemu seems to be having issues and i'd like to log in and see what versions are there, etc | 02:19 |
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| fungi | ianw: sure, i'm around again for a few before i head to sleep | 02:21 |
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| fungi | lifeless: yep, we should update that, but it doesn't get updates from global reqs nor does it get installed except into its own separate virtualenv for now | 02:22 |
| fungi | lifeless: we preinstall it on the workers as /usr/zuul-env/bin/zuul-cloner | 02:23 |
| fungi | and yes, that's not an fhs-compliant path | 02:23 |
| ianw | fungi: thanks -> devstack-centos7-rax-iad-3337657 just started | 02:23 |
| ianw | fungi: https://github.com/ianw.keys | 02:24 |
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| fungi | ianw: ssh jenkins@104.239.166.229 | 02:26 |
| ianw | fungi: thanks ... that will hang around? | 02:26 |
| lifeless | fungi: yes, I know | 02:27 |
| fungi | ianw: yep, it's held, so it _should_ | 02:27 |
| lifeless | fungi: see my patches to it | 02:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/diskimage-builder: Change simple-init to use a PATH variable https://review.openstack.org/192224 | 02:32 |
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| ianw | bios-256k.bin -> ../seabios/bios-256k.bin | 02:36 |
| ianw | -bash-4.2$ ls ../seabios/bios-256k.bin | 02:36 |
| ianw | ls: cannot access ../seabios/bios-256k.bin: No such file or directory | 02:36 |
| ianw | well there's your problem | 02:36 |
| ianw | i have serious dejavu over this... | 02:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Changes puppet-apply-centos job status https://review.openstack.org/195702 | 03:45 |
| fungi | i manually submitted that ^ rather than ironically rechecking it a dozen more times | 03:46 |
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| nibalizer | ok | 03:46 |
| nibalizer | gj | 03:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Allow using custom requirements trees. https://review.openstack.org/195816 | 03:47 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Make it possible to use a regular zuul-cloner. https://review.openstack.org/195809 | 03:47 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Fix leaks of tempdirs. https://review.openstack.org/195815 | 03:47 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Remove deprecated dev-requirements support. https://review.openstack.org/195855 | 03:47 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Prepare for using requirements library. https://review.openstack.org/195856 | 03:47 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Use the requirements parser. https://review.openstack.org/195857 | 03:47 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: ^ is the fix for the check-requirements jobs. | 03:47 |
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| waynr | how does one begin working on a new branch of an openstack-infra project? | 04:03 |
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| nibalizer | you mean how do you get git-reivew to target that branch when proposing a review? | 04:05 |
| nibalizer | branch is a positional argument | 04:06 |
| nibalizer | and ou can set the default branch in the .gitreview file | 04:06 |
| nibalizer | if the branch doesn't exist yet, you need to ask an infra-core to make the branch for you | 04:07 |
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| waynr | oh cool | 04:08 |
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| lifeless | waynr: what do you mean by 'new branch' here? | 04:08 |
| waynr | yeah i probably need an infra-core to help out then | 04:08 |
| lifeless | waynr: do you mean you have some stuff you want to develop thats all related | 04:08 |
| waynr | i am starting to work on JJB 2.x API changes | 04:08 |
| lifeless | waynr: or do you want to make a new public branch in the main openstack repositories for other people to reference for a long time to come | 04:08 |
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| waynr | lifeless: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182542/ part of the work flow described here is to work off a branch called "2.0.x" | 04:09 |
| lifeless | ok, so yes that will need a new branch | 04:10 |
| lifeless | I'll keep my kibbitzing about whether that is a good idea or not for another time :) | 04:10 |
| waynr | working off a new branch or the api changes in general? | 04:11 |
| lifeless | feature branches | 04:11 |
| waynr | i can see arguments being made against the use of a different branch, i was mostly just going along with a review suggestion | 04:12 |
| lifeless | sure, like I say, I'd be kibbitzing, not helping | 04:12 |
| lifeless | so - ignore that side comment | 04:12 |
| waynr | in particular there is JJB WIP that will certainly conflict with the 2.0.x changes i am working on and those changes are targeting jjb master branch | 04:12 |
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| waynr | i should probably just base my work off those to begin with anyway | 04:13 |
| lifeless | I presume you considered using different function names to make in not-api-breaking | 04:15 |
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| lifeless | :) | 04:15 |
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| waynr | yeah these are a series of very intentional code reorganizations intended to make some classes reusable in other contexts (Builder for example) and other classes less essential to JJB-as-a-library (YamlParser in particular) | 04:17 |
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| waynr | so i'll be changing method signatures, displacing some of their behavior at different level of the call stack, documenting them, cleaning up class constructors, adding a more general Config class | 04:19 |
| waynr | s/at/to/ | 04:19 |
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| waynr | splitting the current YamlParser into three distinct classes (ie, YamlParser, YamlInterpreter, XmlBuilder) | 04:20 |
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| StevenK | AJaeger: I find it hilarious that the centos6 job finally passed when it was switched to non-voting on my hacking change | 05:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Grant keystone-release pushMerge on all branches in client https://review.openstack.org/195607 | 06:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Add project for python Neutron PD driver https://review.openstack.org/194123 | 06:58 |
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| frickler | check-swift-dsvm-functional seems to be failing consistently for devstack patches, even trivial ones like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195871/, is this a known issue already? | 07:21 |
| therve | frickler, swift people are on it apparently | 07:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config: Switch git haproxy from balance source to leastconn https://review.openstack.org/193838 | 07:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Scheuring proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add networking-macvtap to Openstack https://review.openstack.org/189644 | 07:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/groups: Resolve date_ical missing library issue https://review.openstack.org/195728 | 08:08 |
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| sambetts | Hey infra, thanks for merging project-config patch, can I get myself added to the core and release teams on the new repo, python-neutron-pd-driver? | 08:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Marton Kiss proposed openstack-infra/groups: Fix meetup event import venue field handling https://review.openstack.org/195941 | 09:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/groups: Fix meetup event import venue field handling https://review.openstack.org/195941 | 09:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack-infra/project-config: neutron: don't execute lbaas api tests for kilo and earlier https://review.openstack.org/195533 | 09:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/groups: Initial russian translations of Groups Portal https://review.openstack.org/189002 | 09:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | yolanda.robla proposed openstack-infra/puppet-logrotate: Add subclass to remove logrotate configurations https://review.openstack.org/192242 | 09:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Yuiko Takada proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Fix Ironic Inspector's repogitory URL https://review.openstack.org/195967 | 10:01 |
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| wznoinsk | fungi: I was thinking about the deployment of monitoring you've mentions yday... I know Nagios is very robust and 1 nagios server can support multi thousand checks on its own, are you concerned about that or deploying checks themselves? | 10:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Marton Kiss proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Move server class call outside of groups*.pp class https://review.openstack.org/195978 | 10:28 |
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| mescanef | SergeyLukjanov: hello. please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195562/ :-) | 10:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Don't run periodic stable jobs for Icehouse https://review.openstack.org/195982 | 10:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sergey Skripnick proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Fix gate_hook in rally-cue experimental job https://review.openstack.org/195991 | 10:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/requirements: Add oslo.cache and oslo.reports to global requirements https://review.openstack.org/195058 | 11:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anand Shanmugam proposed openstack/requirements: Adding cloudpulse and cloudpulseclient to projects https://review.openstack.org/196004 | 11:35 |
| mordred | wznoinsk: the content | 11:39 |
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| mordred | wznoinsk: the checks - maintaining them, defining them, updating them, etc | 11:39 |
| mordred | wznoinsk: runnign a nagios itself - not hard | 11:39 |
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| freerunner | Hi folks! | 12:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | yolanda.robla proposed openstack-infra/puppet-logrotate: Add subclass to remove logrotate configurations https://review.openstack.org/192242 | 12:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Add wsgi_scripts support to PBR https://review.openstack.org/195292 | 12:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Add wsgi_scripts support to PBR https://review.openstack.org/195292 | 12:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/bindep: Support requirements on standard input https://review.openstack.org/195201 | 12:43 |
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| jschlueter | question who administers the review.openstack.org I'm having issues on the site | 12:44 |
| mrmartin | jschlueter: the infra team | 12:45 |
| jschlueter | on review.openstack.org I can't seem to submit an updated address... | 12:45 |
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| jschlueter | it gives me an error screen | 12:45 |
| jschlueter | Code Review - Error | 12:45 |
| jschlueter | Server Error | 12:45 |
| jschlueter | Cannot store contact information | 12:45 |
| jschlueter | when I try to submit from https://review.openstack.org/#/settings/contact | 12:45 |
| sdague | mordred: https://review.openstack.org/195292 look sane? | 12:46 |
| jschlueter | mrmartin: is this the correct place to ask and get some help with this? | 12:46 |
| mrmartin | yeap | 12:46 |
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| mordred | sdague: yah. LOVE IT | 12:47 |
| jschlueter | last night I was trying to get my ICLA submitted and signed ... and I got it signed but now it's complaining when I try to submit a review that I don't have an uptodate address and that was the problem I was running into... | 12:47 |
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| mordred | jschlueter: https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/56720/cannot-store-contact-information-when-updating-info-in-openstack-gerrit/ may say this in more words - but do you have your foundation membership stuff sorted? | 12:49 |
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| jschlueter | mordred: let me try following that through ... | 12:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Publish bindep documentation https://review.openstack.org/195215 | 12:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/puppet-logrotate: Make logrotate::file more resilient https://review.openstack.org/189378 | 13:00 |
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| jschlueter | mordred: ... the error message at the different points was confusing me as to what was wrong... | 13:04 |
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| jschlueter | mordred: it would be useful if the error screen I was seeing gave a hint as to how to fix it... it was that I have 2 email addresses. my personal email address I've contributed with in the pass to openstack foundation and my work email address | 13:05 |
| jschlueter | the error message came up with I using one email address but the other allowed me to update it | 13:06 |
| jschlueter | mordred: thanks that got me through the hurdle | 13:06 |
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| gema | Clint: thanks for your pointer yesterday, I went ahead and submitted a change for review, please make sure I am understanding what you said correctly! (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195868/1) | 13:08 |
| openstackgerrit | yolanda.robla proposed openstack-infra/puppet-logrotate: Add subclass to remove logrotate configurations https://review.openstack.org/192242 | 13:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Somay Jain proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Support for more extensions and options in Git plugin https://review.openstack.org/193177 | 13:15 |
| dtantsur | hi folks! do we still have reasons for NOT deleting https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/functions-common#L1757 ? | 13:15 |
| dtantsur | it matches ironic-inspector service >_< | 13:15 |
| dtantsur | anteaya, hi, this was the cause ^^^ | 13:16 |
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| mordred | jschlueter: yay! and yeah - we actually think that most of the things about this process are terrible. there is work to fix a good portion of it - but it involves getting changes done at the board level too, so it's not quick :) | 13:16 |
| jschlueter | mordred: thanks | 13:17 |
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| HeOS | Hi to all! I want to use launchpad openid on jenkins. Could you explain to me how you enabled that method on your Jenkins? Is it was a simple jenkins plugin? | 13:22 |
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| mordred | HeOS: yup. the OpenID Plugin | 13:32 |
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| sdague | mordred: is there some bit of pbr test code that actually sets up a sample project in tmpdir somewhere? I'd like to guaruntee that it actually runs there. | 13:33 |
| mordred | sdague: yes? | 13:34 |
| HeOS | mordred, thanks. How this plugin is configured? By puppet manifests? | 13:34 |
| sdague | ok, it's not jumping out at me | 13:34 |
| mordred | HeOS: no - by hand | 13:34 |
| sdague | pointers appreciated | 13:34 |
| mordred | HeOS: the jenkins global config is not puppeted for us | 13:34 |
| mordred | HeOS: but we almost never change it - so it hasn't been a huge priority to fix | 13:34 |
| mordred | sdague: pbr/tests/base.py | 13:35 |
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| mordred | sdague: pbr/tests/testpackage/ is the testpackage itself | 13:35 |
| mordred | sdague: so you likely want to add a wsgi_scripts to pbr/tests/testpackage/setup.cfg and stuff | 13:36 |
| sdague | ok, gotcha | 13:36 |
| HeOS | mordred, great thanks! | 13:36 |
| HeOS | I'll try it. | 13:37 |
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| mordred | TheJulia: morning! | 13:48 |
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| mordred | TheJulia: I have some questions about the ironic microversions patch | 13:48 |
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| mordred | TheJulia: we set default API versions for services - specifically, we are passing self.api_versions['baremetal'] as the first parameter already | 13:49 |
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| mordred | TheJulia: a) how is the '1.6' value different from the '1' value (just curious) b) do we actually need to provide an override mechanism at all? as I understand microversions, it should be the client lib requesting the version of the API it knows how to operate, right? | 13:50 |
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| mordred | TheJulia: c) I'd like to give feedback after teh fact that naming the parameter to your Client class "os_ironic_api_version" is a tag ugly - I'd suggestion "microversion" myself | 13:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Do not merge https://review.openstack.org/195288 | 13:55 |
| mordred | fungi, jhesketh, clarkb: if any of you are around, could we get a second +2 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189744/ ? | 13:55 |
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| Shrews | mordred: i was just looking at that, too. The idea behind microversions (at least for ironic) is that it is supposed to "just work" for the user (user being shade here). Even documented as such here: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/ironic-specs/specs/kilo/api-microversions.html#new-client-default-microversion | 13:55 |
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| jhesketh | mordred: taking a look | 13:57 |
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| mordred | Shrews: yah. devananda ^^ this is precisely the sort of thing I was worried about when microversions got mentioned | 13:58 |
| fungi | lgtm | 13:58 |
| jhesketh | mordred: lgtm, but it's midnight here so I'm not going to be around if it merges | 13:58 |
| mordred | that it would not only be about straightforward version negotiation, it would some how make devs think it was ok to make breaking changes | 13:58 |
| jhesketh | (you could +A it if you were though) | 13:59 |
| mordred | jhesketh, fungi: woot! thanks | 13:59 |
| fungi | though waiting for Shrews to form an opinion | 13:59 |
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| jhesketh | fungi, mordred: so I don't lie... git.o.o is running on bare metal now right (ie rax onmetal) | 13:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Do not merge https://review.openstack.org/195288 | 13:59 |
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| mordred | jhesketh: that's my understanding | 14:00 |
| Shrews | mordred: if i, as a user, need to know the microversion, then i would probably become a goat farmer instead | 14:00 |
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| mordred | yup | 14:01 |
| Shrews | fungi: opinion on what? | 14:01 |
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| mordred | Shrews: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189744/ | 14:01 |
| jhesketh | mordred: ta | 14:01 |
| fungi | jhesketh: nova show says 30 GB Compute v1 (compute1-30) | 14:01 |
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| mordred | fungi: oh! I thought we'd moved it to onmetal | 14:01 |
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| jhesketh | oh interesting, I wonder why we didn't? | 14:02 |
| jhesketh | do you know what it was previously? | 14:02 |
| fungi | 8gb performance i believe | 14:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed openstack-infra/project-config: remove swift tests from ceilometer gate https://review.openstack.org/196065 | 14:05 |
| jhesketh | okay thanks for that | 14:05 |
| jhesketh | fungi, mordred: also that reminds me, I need a root person to walk me through a few things at some point (eg where things like the bastion are) | 14:05 |
| jhesketh | given the time though, I'm not sure if now is best | 14:05 |
| jhesketh | then again, probably not going to get a great time, so maybe | 14:05 |
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| fungi | jhesketh: bastion? puppetmaster.openstack.org is the closest thing i know of in that regard | 14:06 |
| pabelanger | fungi, is it possible to get access to the nodepool logs for the bare-centos6 snapshot build log? I'm wanting to see how long it takes puppet to run | 14:06 |
| fungi | pabelanger: http://nodepool.openstack.org/ | 14:06 |
| pabelanger | fungi, perfect | 14:07 |
| jhesketh | fungi: okay, where are things like cloud credentials for doing nova list etc? | 14:07 |
| mordred | jhesketh: /root/ci-launch on puppetmaster.openstack.org | 14:07 |
| fungi | jhesketh: we have an encrypted file containing all that stuff. i'll get you details | 14:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/shade: Add Neutron/Nova Floating IP attach/detach https://review.openstack.org/183693 | 14:08 |
| mordred | jhesketh: has a file for each cloud region we run long-lived servers in | 14:08 |
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| fungi | oh, though for nova list year we just have some shell snippets you can source there | 14:08 |
| fungi | s/year/yeah/ | 14:08 |
| jhesketh | fungi: cool, thanks! | 14:08 |
| mordred | jhesketh: and the clouds.yaml file on nodepool.o.o has the credentials for the nodepool accounts | 14:08 |
| jhesketh | mordred: ah of course, thanks | 14:09 |
| fungi | that's probably a good place to start. the encrypted bundle we maintain is more a backup of that info and some of the secrets in the hiera file, as well as other less often needed things | 14:09 |
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| jhesketh | fungi: right, my understanding of the bundle is I need to add my gpg key to it at some point? | 14:09 |
| fungi | much of the time i just grep things out of /etc/puppet/hieradata/production/common.yaml | 14:09 |
| fungi | jhesketh: no, there's a separate key for it but i'll send the details to you via encrypted e-mail | 14:10 |
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| jhesketh | fungi: okay, thanks very much :-) | 14:10 |
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| fungi | jhesketh: just to confirm, i have a key for you with id 0x5335FD1687B84B3F (fingerprint F612 41DA 9F45 132F D71D 9CBC 5335 FD16 87B8 4B3F) so i'll encrypt the message to that | 14:12 |
| sambetts | Hey infra, thanks for merging my project-config patch, can I get myself added to the core and release teams on the new repo, python-neutron-pd-driver? | 14:12 |
| greghaynes | mordred: for the /etc/hosts entry from glean - what IP should we use for the $hostname entry | 14:13 |
| mordred | greghaynes: fungi ^^ thoughts? | 14:13 |
| fungi | sambetts: can you get me a link to the change that added that project? makes it easier for me to cut and paste your id from the submitter details | 14:13 |
| jhesketh | fungi: that's the one, thanks | 14:13 |
| mordred | fungi: we need to add an /etc/hosts entry for setting hostname, right? | 14:13 |
| sambetts | fungi: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194123/ | 14:13 |
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| fungi | greghaynes: mordred: yeah, preferably one for each ip address bound to an interface (except for the loopback) | 14:14 |
| fungi | each non-loopback unicast address | 14:14 |
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| fungi | greghaynes: mordred: something like... | 14:14 |
| mordred | fungi: what if it's a dhcp machien and this is running before dhcp has gotten an ip address? | 14:14 |
| fungi | mordred: good question. lemme see how my dhcp based machines are doing this | 14:15 |
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| mordred | fungi: my laptop has my hostname bound to 127.0.1.1 | 14:15 |
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| fungi | mordred: great point. that seems to be what debian switched to | 14:15 |
| greghaynes | mine doesnt have $hostname at all... | 14:16 |
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| fungi | mordred: greghaynes: well, we also want to populate /etc/hostname | 14:16 |
| greghaynes | ok, ill do 127.0.1.1 | 14:16 |
| mordred | 127.0.1.1 is not a thing that shows up in ip addr show - is it a magical thing? | 14:16 |
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| fungi | mordred: lo binds to all of 127.0.0.0/8 | 14:17 |
| greghaynes | yep | 14:17 |
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| mordred | "For a system with a permanent IP address, that permanent IP address should be used here instead of 127.0.1.1." | 14:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/nodepool: Start passing cloud_config object to shade https://review.openstack.org/189744 | 14:18 |
| greghaynes | oh | 14:18 |
| greghaynes | hrm | 14:18 |
| fungi | mordred: right, i guess we can consider these to not have permanent addresses | 14:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Do not merge https://review.openstack.org/195288 | 14:18 |
| greghaynes | on a practical note - I am really not a fan of the different behavior between rax and hp | 14:19 |
| mordred | well | 14:19 |
| mordred | we have both | 14:19 |
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| fungi | mordred: greghaynes: though for minimal breakage, we might want to see how it's showing up for our various platforms on each of the providers we're using now | 14:19 |
| mordred | rax have permanent ip addresses statically assigned | 14:19 |
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| mordred | hp has dhcp assigned addresses | 14:19 |
| mordred | and we do know the difference already in glean | 14:19 |
| greghaynes | yea, exactly - us doing one thing in hp and another in rax is :( | 14:19 |
| fungi | mordred: for the nodepool nodes, while rax might consider them static we don't really have to | 14:19 |
| mordred | so I'd say "if we know IP addresses at glean time, use them, otherwise, use 127.0.1.1" | 14:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Do not merge https://review.openstack.org/195288 | 14:20 |
| fungi | the ip address is no more permanent than the instance to which it's assigned | 14:20 |
| mordred | sure. I mean- we could just do 127.0.1.1 across the board | 14:20 |
| greghaynes | Yea, I kind of like that more | 14:20 |
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| wznoinsk | mordred: I know that's the most painful, currently I'm testing an approach of running nagios checks over an ssh connection, the wrapper script I have sends the check file to the remote side and executes it then (if timestamp/md5sum different)... so far it works out better than deploying the check to all machines when you're making changes | 14:20 |
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| greghaynes | I really dont like making situations where our tests might fail based on what cloud they run in | 14:21 |
| mordred | 127.0.1.1 exists on our centos boxes | 14:21 |
| mordred | so I think it's safe | 14:21 |
| fungi | the main thing this is going to influence is that processes which use gethostbyname to decide how to talk to themselves are going to hit the loopback interface, which doesn't seem problematic to me | 14:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Do not merge https://review.openstack.org/195288 | 14:22 |
| mordred | seems desirable actually | 14:22 |
| fungi | so we already have at least some slaves using 127.0.1.1 as their sole hostname-specific /etc/hosts entry? if so then it's almost certainly safe | 14:22 |
| greghaynes | aye, I need to also make sure we dont duplicate insert this | 14:24 |
| greghaynes | well, not need, but should | 14:24 |
| mordred | agree | 14:24 |
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| anteaya | dtantsur: glad you found it | 14:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/requirements: Block oslo.i18n 2.0.0 https://review.openstack.org/196072 | 14:30 |
| mriedem | dimsum__: dhellmann: ^ | 14:30 |
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| fungi | wznoinsk: reading scrollback from while i was asleep... what i was talking about is someone drafting a http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/ to integrate a puppet module for a nagios server like https://forge.puppetlabs.com/thias/nagios and recruiting people interested in receiving notifications from it and submitting patches to probably our openstack-infra/system-config repo to | 14:30 |
| fungi | add/modify/remove health checks as needed | 14:30 |
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| fungi | wznoinsk: our community infrastructure is managed by our community, collectively, so needs sufficient interest from enough community members to use and maintain it for it to happen | 14:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zara proposed openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient: Allow scroll when navbar content exceeds height of screen https://review.openstack.org/196079 | 14:37 |
| openstackgerrit | greghaynes proposed openstack-infra/glean: Support setting hostname https://review.openstack.org/195748 | 14:39 |
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| sdague | ok, swift-dsvm-functional is current cratering a bunch of stuff | 14:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Do not merge https://review.openstack.org/195288 | 14:41 |
| sdague | how upset would people be if we stopped co-gating it with everything? It predates the rest of the functional jobs which we don't co-gate. | 14:42 |
| openstackgerrit | greghaynes proposed openstack/diskimage-builder: Have glean set hostname if a config drive exists https://review.openstack.org/196081 | 14:42 |
| mordred | sdague: makes sense to me | 14:42 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I'd be fine with stopping the co-gate | 14:42 |
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| anteaya | sdague: I am in favour since I want your patch in to get sc68cal's patch in | 14:42 |
| sdague | for instance, all the requirements work is blocked because of it, as well as the devstack fixes that are needed for the requirements | 14:42 |
| anteaya | sdague: I talked with notmyname and mattoliverau yesterday and clayg was looking at it | 14:43 |
| anteaya | sdague: I haven't yet checked the current status | 14:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/nodepool: add option to use ipv6 for image update and node launching https://review.openstack.org/156178 | 14:44 |
| fungi | sdague: by "stop co-gating it" you mean stop testing any changes which rely on that job (changes for swift, swiftclient, whatever) in the same change queue with other projects? | 14:44 |
| fungi | sdague: or move that job to check-only? | 14:44 |
| fungi | sdague: or something else? | 14:44 |
| mordred | fungi: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195748/ if you get a chance - should fix multi-node? | 14:44 |
| greghaynes | looks like nodepool images are building successfully again \O/ | 14:44 |
| sdague | fungi: I mean stop running it voting in the check queue of things like keystone, devstack, etc | 14:45 |
| mordred | fungi: I heard "don't run swift functional tests on changes to not-swift" | 14:45 |
| sdague | only on swift | 14:45 |
| greghaynes | SpamapS: when youre up https://review.openstack.org/196081 is needed to unbreak some things | 14:45 |
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| fungi | oh, yet another definition of "co-gating" i hadn't consideredc | 14:46 |
| clarkb | greghaynes what passes the hostname flag? | 14:46 |
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| greghaynes | clarkb: that patch I just pointed SpamapS at | 14:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-infra/project-config: remove swift-dsvm-functional from blocking changes to many projects https://review.openstack.org/196085 | 14:47 |
| sdague | ok, that might be the correct change. But I've got to head out for a bit, so people should feel free to massage as much as they like. | 14:48 |
| cschwede | hi! we’Re currently working on unblocking the swift-dsvm-functional | 14:48 |
| cschwede | patch is up, should be approved soon: 195940 | 14:48 |
| cschwede | patchset 195940 | 14:48 |
| fungi | sdague: i didn't realize that the swift functional job was voting on changes to keystone. i guess it's up to those projects as to what jobs run on their changes, so i'm okay with whatever keystone, qa, et cetera decide about what jobs test their changes | 14:48 |
| cschwede | patch 195940 | 14:48 |
| cschwede | anyway, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195940/8 | 14:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Do not merge https://review.openstack.org/195288 | 14:48 |
| sdague | cschwede: that's good, it has been effectively blocking half the openstack universe for a day | 14:48 |
| sdague | and I think we should stop making that possible in the future | 14:49 |
| cschwede | sdague: well, looks like it is due to a python update to 2.7.9. there is a new limit of http headers in httplib | 14:49 |
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| cschwede | ok, patch got 2+2 and a +A, so it should be merged hopefully real soon | 14:50 |
| fungi | this is one of those cases where if swift depends on certain features in keystone they should work with the keystone devs to implement contractual tests of the bits with which they're interfacing, and save the functional test for the actual software being tested rather than using it to also indirectly test api contracts | 14:50 |
| fungi | but i'm happy to leave that to swift and keystone to work out | 14:51 |
| cschwede | fungi: which tests are failing due to a keystone change? | 14:52 |
| cschwede | i mean swift tests? | 14:52 |
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| fungi | cschwede: no idea. sdague says keystone changes are being gated by the swift functional job | 14:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Rob Cresswell proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add project for Cisco UI (Horizon plugin) https://review.openstack.org/196087 | 14:53 |
| fungi | cschwede: looks like that fix still needs more work. it's failing all the devstack-based jobs | 14:53 |
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| bdemers | Is there a wiki describing how to add openstack-packages projects ? ( i thought i asked this a couple days ago, but don’t see it in my history, otherwise sorry for the double post) | 14:54 |
| cschwede | fungi: yes, but it seems that’s not because of the patch but due to zuul: http://logs.openstack.org/40/195940/8/check/check-grenade-dsvm/5abcfc9/console.html | 14:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Do not merge https://review.openstack.org/195288 | 14:55 |
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| fungi | cschwede: oh, actually due to git.openstack.org | 14:55 |
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| fungi | stderr: 'fatal: read error: Connection reset by peer' | 14:55 |
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| mordred | greghaynes: should we move simple-init.sh and the init/systemd/upstart scripts into the glean repo? seems like there might be a point in the future where the only thing that the simple-init element needs to do is "package-install glean" | 14:56 |
| mordred | greghaynes: once we have distro packages for it for the things | 14:56 |
| cschwede | fungi: yep. the patchset itself should pass; otherwise the gate-swift-tox-func would have failed too | 14:56 |
| fungi | looks like we're still dos'ing our git server farm when nodepool builds new images | 14:56 |
| marekd | Dear -infra. Can I ask for your eyes on the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190631/ ? Morgan already +1'd it. Thanks! | 14:57 |
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| greghaynes | mordred: ++ | 14:58 |
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| clarkb | bdemers http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html thats the generic doc I am notaware of a package specific doc | 14:58 |
| fungi | in good news, the new haproxy config does seem to be more evenly distributing git traffic across the farm | 14:59 |
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| fungi | individual servers seem to be spiking up around 120mbps during image builds | 14:59 |
| clarkb | fungi that would indicate we need more backends? | 14:59 |
| fungi | clarkb: what's the bandwidth cap on those? | 15:00 |
| clarkb | fungi much higher than that, I think they cant handle all the nova ops though | 15:01 |
| fungi | load average on individual members is still spiking up around 10 so i tend to agree even just based on that http://cacti.openstack.org/cacti/graph.php?action=view&local_graph_id=949&rra_id=all | 15:01 |
| clarkb | each one is almost a gig of ram + cputime | 15:01 |
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| fungi | looks like it topped out around 12 on git01 today | 15:02 |
| mordred | perhaps revisiting the idea of running a public rsync server? | 15:02 |
| jeblair | mordred: i think we're in the data collection phase for tuning or scaling the system we have | 15:03 |
| mordred | yup | 15:03 |
| mordred | I understand that | 15:03 |
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| jeblair | we're just starting to learn what the limits are, and we still don't have some important things graphed | 15:04 |
| jeblair | looking at the logs, it looks like we had about 100 concurrent connections then, 90 of them were https and 10 were git | 15:04 |
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| fungi | in good news, the highest-ranking git bug on the elastic-recheck page is coming in at #23 at the moment | 15:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Do not merge https://review.openstack.org/195288 | 15:06 |
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| jeblair | i know that a single backend can handle about 8 nova clones before it starts to time out and fall over | 15:07 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: how do i get an instance held where a specific error is occuring? trying to debug the grenade issues with keystone and apache | 15:07 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, ^ cc | 15:08 |
| anteaya | morganfainberg: give us the uuid of the node, the third line of the full console log and your public ssh key | 15:08 |
| anteaya | or a link to your public key | 15:08 |
| bdemers | clarkb, yeah i was looking that one, but the openstack-packages violate a few of the rules (project name and needing a python project) | 15:08 |
| jeblair | but i'm worried that if we set maxconn on backends to something so low, we will either subject ourselves to dos by slow connections (i don't know how haproxy deals with that), or waste resources relative to our average load | 15:08 |
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| morganfainberg | anteaya: hm. ok lets see what i can do to find this. hopefully we can find this issue early enough that we can grab a node. | 15:08 |
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| fungi | morganfainberg: bknudson: you need t spot it before the job finishes is the real trick, or it needs to be repeatable enough that we have a good chance of predicting a given run of the job will hit it | 15:08 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: it's (according to sdague) happening about 25% of the time. | 15:09 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: but repeatable - it's a little all over the map. | 15:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Do not merge https://review.openstack.org/195288 | 15:09 |
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| fungi | morganfainberg: so in theory we can start the job running by, say, rechecking four changes. hold the nodes where those jobs start, and then release the three where the bug doesn't happen (statistically speaking) | 15:10 |
| jeblair | bdemers: i thought zigo was going to update the commit message of https://review.openstack.org/185187 and then the tc would approve it and we would start making packaging repos in openstack | 15:10 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: aye. lets see if i can find it early enough though. | 15:10 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: if it craps out 30 mins in and most test runs take an hour, that'd be ok | 15:10 |
| jeblair | fungi, clarkb, mordred: do you have thoughts on how maxconn relates to slow connections? | 15:12 |
| fungi | morganfainberg: right, as long as i can catch it within a couple minutes of the end of the job then that's enough time for me to put the instance in a hold state | 15:12 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: right. hm. | 15:12 |
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| fungi | jeblair: i haven't read the docs. do the sockets get opened but then blocked until a slot frees up, or do they get rejected if over the limit? | 15:13 |
| jeblair | fungi: they get queued, not rejected | 15:13 |
| fungi | jeblair: in that case it probably mostly depends on the default git timeout | 15:14 |
| clarkb | yes they get queued up to a certain number then get nak'd and the queue has a timeout per connection too | 15:14 |
| clarkb | so fi thibgs are slow the queue can suffer | 15:14 |
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| clarkb | (this is fron memory should be double checked) | 15:14 |
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| fungi | if we have far more connections than we can handle, i expect that won't really help. if we _very_ briefly (for a few seconds at a time) spike up over the limit but generally run well under, then it would benefit us | 15:15 |
| fungi | and then there's a gradient between those | 15:15 |
| jeblair | however, if we can handle 50 connections on average, except only 8 if they are nova, then :/ | 15:16 |
| TheJulia | mordred: circling back, so ironic has two version params. a) '1' sets the main API version, The '1.6' value that passed in locks the API microversion support so when the clint library ends up getting updated, the behavior and interactions don't change if the library is aware of newer microversion. | 15:16 |
| jeblair | libclint | 15:16 |
| * Clint blinks. | 15:17 | |
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| TheJulia | mordred: b) I think we do need an override mechanism if we want to be able to actively develop or if the user knows slightly better, more as a convenience. The thing is in this case, it heads us off from a horrible breaking change. c) I like microversion better :) | 15:17 |
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| jeblair | fungi, clarkb, mordred: i'm inclined to spin up another backend for now, and work on getting haproxy stats recorded so we can better characterize our load | 15:19 |
| jeblair | (though i am not certain yet that haproxy tuning will allow us to manage this kind of load) | 15:19 |
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| fungi | https://github.com/reincubate/haproxy-dynamic-weight looks interesting | 15:19 |
| jeblair | fungi: hrm, yes; something like that based on load or ram usage would help | 15:20 |
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| mordred | TheJulia: ok. cool. let's make it a thing then. next bikeshed question - should it be "baremetal_microversion" to match "baremetal_api_version" or should it be "ironic_microversion" because if you're to the level of specifying a microversion, it's fair for you to use a codename? | 15:20 |
| jeblair | fung: because our backends don't have a certain number of connections they can service, but rather a certain amount of ram | 15:20 |
| mordred | ++ | 15:20 |
| fungi | jeblair: and yeah, i think adding/contracting backends is an easy workaround for now | 15:20 |
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| jeblair | fungi, clarkb, mordred: are we happy enough with the current single fe that i can delete the 2 old ones? | 15:21 |
| TheJulia | mordred: hold on, let me go get some water and the bikeshed paint :) | 15:21 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: lets try: devstack-trusty-rax-dfw-3348271 key is http://paste.openstack.org/show/321376/ | 15:21 |
| fungi | do we just want 6 or should we bump it higher to like 8 to accomodate larget spikes? | 15:21 |
| mordred | jeblair: I'm happy enough with it | 15:21 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: that one has failed the last few runs - so at the very least i think we have a shot at seeing the issue | 15:21 |
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| jeblair | fungi: let's go ahead to 8 for a bit, then contract | 15:22 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: i just kicked off the recheck and it usually fails ~30mins in | 15:22 |
| clarkb | fungi jeblair keep in mind each is a gerrit sync point | 15:22 |
| clarkb | better to do a few mire all at once than one ata time as a result | 15:22 |
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| fungi | morganfainberg: ssh jenkins@104.239.240.57 | 15:23 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i don't understand your last statement | 15:23 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: thnx | 15:23 |
| jeblair | clarkb: when you mention gerrit, i think 'it will slow down gerrit due to pushes' | 15:23 |
| clarkb | jeblair each backend is synced to by gerrit, adding new knes requires a gerrit restart iirc | 15:23 |
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| clarkb | so you dobt want to do one then an hour later do another and so o | 15:24 |
| jeblair | clarkb: ah, ok, i forgot about the restart thanks. | 15:24 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: will let you know if it doesn't fail so we can free it up. | 15:24 |
| fungi | great point | 15:24 |
| morganfainberg | or if i solve it | 15:24 |
| jeblair | (also i think, maybe 3 of them should use afs) | 15:24 |
| fungi | morganfainberg: sounds good | 15:24 |
| jeblair | okay, i'll work on that later today/this weekend | 15:24 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 15:25 |
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| jeblair | also, as soon as we finish dib, our load drops significantly | 15:25 |
| mordred | (to the AFS) | 15:25 |
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| mordred | jeblair: https://review.openstack.org/195748 | 15:26 |
| TheJulia | mordred: see, this purple paint is... oh wait, wrong topic. I like baremetal_api_version, but that might be one of those things that a user might want to be able to use to override the base version, not that there is anything beyond v1 right now. So I could see it getting a little confusing at the same time. [baremetal|ironic]_microversion seems to to be the clearest sense of what the setting' | 15:26 |
| fungi | yeah, i was hoping to pick back up the local afs volume replication target work for gerrit once we upgraded, but then we didn't upgrade | 15:26 |
| TheJulia | s purpose would be. Then its just a coin flip between baremetal and ironic :) | 15:26 |
| jeblair | i thought i revieed that, hrm. | 15:26 |
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| jeblair | fungi, mordred: should we make review.o.o an afs client, or should we keep it a bit more distant for now and have it ssh to a client with an ip-based acl? | 15:28 |
| mordred | TheJulia: well, baremetal_api_version is already taken for the major version - so that's set | 15:28 |
| fungi | mordred: what does the hostname we get out of the name field look like? | 15:28 |
| mordred | jeblair: I could argue either | 15:28 |
| mordred | fungi: the hostname we get outof name is exactly what we passed to nova boot | 15:28 |
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| mordred | fungi: so if we do "nova boot foo.bar.openstack.org" - that's what we get from name | 15:28 |
| fungi | jeblair: that's an interesting idea. it would avoid needing to wrap gerrit in kstart which is the next bit i was going to be stuck fumbling with | 15:28 |
| mordred | it's the unmangled version | 15:28 |
| mordred | jeblair: I think ssh to a client as a step one is a good idea | 15:29 |
| fungi | greghaynes: mordred: okay, cool. so we need to do short hostnames too? | 15:29 |
| mordred | jeblair: if we like how it's working, wrapping gerrit in kstart as a follow on step seems good | 15:29 |
| jeblair | kk | 15:29 |
| TheJulia | mordred: sounds good, I'll revise the patch today. | 15:29 |
| mordred | fungi: don't think so? although I suppose it wouldn't hurt | 15:29 |
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| mordred | TheJulia: so - maybe baremetal_microversion then for consistency? | 15:30 |
| fungi | greghaynes: mordred: i guess as long as what we put in /etc/hostname can be found in /etc/hosts it's likely fine | 15:30 |
| TheJulia | mordred: thats what I was thinking | 15:30 |
| mordred | TheJulia: ++ | 15:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config: Document startmeeting in our meetbot fork https://review.openstack.org/194756 | 15:30 |
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| mordred | fungi: yah | 15:30 |
| mordred | fungi: I imagine we can add shortname addition later if we find it's a thing we want/need | 15:31 |
| greghaynes | ++ | 15:31 |
| fungi | having the short hostname as an alias in /etc/hosts is mostly i _think_ to deal with platforms which insist on /etc/hostname containing the shortname only | 15:31 |
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| fungi | different distros have interestingly polarized ideas of whether the system hostname can/should be a fqdn | 15:32 |
| greghaynes | wooo conventions | 15:32 |
| mordred | if only there was a thing, like a Service for Domain Names, that we could use along witha config file setting saying to use it for resolution of names instead of files | 15:32 |
| EmilienM | hello infra team, could I have some feedback on an experimental job for Puppet ? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194293/ | 15:32 |
| greghaynes | mordred: itll never catch on | 15:32 |
| mordred | greghaynes: clearly | 15:32 |
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| fungi | mordred: well. the argument is mostly that each ip address you have can potentially have a different canonical fqdn, so that should be independent of your "hostname" which is actually a local reference the host uses to identify itself | 15:33 |
| fungi | i think the people who get twisted up over that are pedants, but that's just my personal opinion | 15:34 |
| mordred | fungi: I agree | 15:34 |
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| mordred | EmilienM: the shell chunk that does the root login thing seems like something we might wat to split out into a macro | 15:36 |
| mordred | but I do not think it is necessary for us to do so right now | 15:36 |
| EmilienM | mordred: oh, I can do that | 15:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/glean: Support setting hostname https://review.openstack.org/195748 | 15:37 |
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| EmilienM | mordred, fungi: oh dear, you merged it - thanks | 15:38 |
| fungi | EmilienM: no worries. a macro breakout can always be a later patch when we decide to use it in more than one place | 15:39 |
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| fungi | it can also be simplified to use a single echo statement or redirect to a heredoc or something | 15:39 |
| EmilienM | fungi: yeah, and honestly this is an experimental job. We might want to refactorize the way we do that thing | 15:39 |
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| fungi | er, redirect from a heredoc i mean | 15:40 |
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| zaro | morning | 15:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: puppet: experiment upgrade job with beaker https://review.openstack.org/194293 | 15:46 |
| EmilienM | mgagne: for python-jenkins, thanks for merging it. we might need to do a python-jenkins release to have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189940/ working | 15:47 |
| mgagne | EmilienM: zaro merged it =) | 15:47 |
| EmilienM | nice | 15:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Do not merge https://review.openstack.org/195288 | 15:47 |
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| mgagne | EmilienM: I think zaro is your man if you need a release | 15:47 |
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| zaro | EmilienM, mgagne : no problem, i'll test and do release today. | 15:50 |
| EmilienM | zaro: nice, please also consider https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189940/ which is my final goal | 15:51 |
| zaro | will do | 15:51 |
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| fungi | sambetts: sorry for the delay, you're the initial member of python-neutron-pd-driver-core and python-neutron-pd-driver-release now | 15:52 |
| mordred | fungi, clarkb, jeblair, greghaynes: http://blog.lenovo.com/blog/entry/1692 | 15:53 |
| sambetts | fungi: Thanks :D | 15:53 |
| mordred | sdague, mtreinish: ^^ | 15:54 |
| jeblair | mordred: awesome; i need to run for a bit but will figure out how to positively respond when i get back | 15:54 |
| mtreinish | mordred: yeah I saw that, it's exciting | 15:54 |
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| pabelanger | fungi, so I think I can reproduce the centos6 issue locally | 15:54 |
| pabelanger | it looks to be related to cloning repos over HTTPS | 15:55 |
| pabelanger | when I switch to straight HTTP, it runs at normal speeds | 15:55 |
| pabelanger | however, I don't see why HTTPS should be failing | 15:55 |
| mordred | pabelanger: I'm going to blame the NSA | 15:56 |
| devananda | mordred: I may be missing context - which part of that conversation about api versions was exactly what you were worried about? | 15:58 |
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| fungi | pabelanger: i grabbed another one last night that i watched for a while as it was stuck. there was a "git-remote-https origin https://git.openstack.org/openstack-infra/project-config" process which strace showed in a rapid select/poll loop while tcpdump indicated it was sending/receiving no packets at all on that socket | 15:58 |
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| mordred | devananda: in TheJulia's change to shade to stave off being broken by an upcoming change that's protected by a microversion bump | 15:59 |
| fungi | pabelanger: then it recovered on its own after some 15 minutes of that and sent a new packet to git.o.o and continued/completed that session | 15:59 |
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| mordred | devananda: it indicates that the microversion is somethign that would be a breaking change, and thus important for shade to pin its microversion declaration until it has dealt with it | 16:00 |
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| yolanda | ah pabelanger, good to see that. I wanted to debug, but all my tests passed this morning | 16:00 |
| mordred | devananda: that, to me, is a major version bump | 16:00 |
| mordred | devananda: not a new feature that's behind a microversion contract | 16:00 |
| mordred | devananda: in fact, the ironic spec on the subject specifically says that it should "just work" and that a user should not really have to know much about it | 16:01 |
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| clarkb | +1 | 16:01 |
| mordred | devananda: thus, in my role as annoying advocate of users - I believe you are making life harder on users by making a breaking change that requires consumers to put ina microversion pin | 16:01 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: bah. i think that node passed the failure point. 2x checking | 16:02 |
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| pabelanger | yolanda, ya, it is https related for sure | 16:02 |
| mtreinish | mordred: wait, I thought microversions were only for backwards compatible things | 16:02 |
| mordred | that said- it does seem to be the case, so I think TheJulia's patch is certainly a thing to land and I appreciate it | 16:02 |
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| mtreinish | or did I miss something | 16:02 |
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| pabelanger | having problems local | 16:02 |
| mordred | but the microversion concept seems to have pretty much immediately failed | 16:02 |
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| pabelanger | yolanda, I think the issue is actually with curl | 16:02 |
| devananda | mordred: so I may not be aware of this "you must pin to 1.6 or else 1.7 will break you" thing - because I would clearly -1 that | 16:03 |
| mordred | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195634/ | 16:03 |
| yolanda | pabelanger, which nodes are there ? hpcloud nodes? | 16:03 |
| mordred | devananda, mtreinish: ^^ | 16:03 |
| yolanda | we have been running centos6 tests in our system for long time and no failure | 16:03 |
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| devananda | mordred: I believe it has failed because a) very few people understand it, b) those that do tend to have different ideas about it | 16:03 |
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| pabelanger | yolanda, I am testing on internal RH cloud | 16:04 |
| pabelanger | and can reproduce the delay | 16:04 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: ok you can release that node. it's not going to fail in the way i'd hope | 16:04 |
| yolanda | let me hold some centos node from my side and test as well | 16:04 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: thanks. | 16:04 |
| yolanda | what do you do, a simple git clone? | 16:04 |
| devananda | mtreinish: there is no such thing as backwards compatible change, because time flows in both directions (in a multi-cloud env) | 16:04 |
| pabelanger | if you look at the nodepool build logs for bare-centos6 you can see a delay on puppet runs for the single-use-slave too | 16:04 |
| pabelanger | I haven't traced it down to a cloud provider yet | 16:04 |
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| mordred | devananda: well, I understand and like the theory - but am concerned about the potential for failure due to other people not understanding the theory - and now there are 2 different ways something can braek | 16:04 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: devstack-trusty-rax-dfw-3348271 was the id | 16:04 |
| clarkb | devananda there is in the sens ethat 1.7 shouldnt break users of 1.6 | 16:05 |
| mordred | yah - what clarkb said | 16:05 |
| devananda | clarkb: yes, I agree with that | 16:05 |
| mordred | if I'm not using new-feature-x, its introduction should not break me | 16:05 |
| mordred | and if I want to use it, I should ask for it | 16:05 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: +1 | 16:05 |
| mtreinish | that's all I meant by my statement | 16:05 |
| devananda | if I ask for 1.6 and the cloud says "here's 1.7, but dont worry, it's compatible with 1.6" -- then that's fine | 16:05 |
| mordred | yup | 16:06 |
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| mordred | beacuse I have gotten what I asked for - a thing that honors the contract named 1.6 | 16:06 |
| fungi | morganfainberg: thanks, i've cleaned that up now | 16:07 |
| mordred | and - if I wrote something in python using a library at the time taht 1.6 was current, and I upgrade the library to a semver compatible version and now the microversion the library groks is 1.20 ... my python application should not break | 16:07 |
| devananda | mordred: yes. however. neither nova nor ironic's initial design covered this | 16:08 |
| mordred | devananda: sadly that does not surprise me | 16:08 |
| devananda | what both teams did is make the client ask for a specific version (1.6) and then have the server downgrade itself to match that exact version | 16:08 |
| devananda | so even if the server supports 1.20, if you ask for 1.6, it tries to give you 1.6 | 16:08 |
| devananda | and rejects the request if it can't | 16:08 |
| mordred | yah. when what I want to do is instantiate an ironicclient.Client and call methods on it | 16:09 |
| yolanda | pabelanger, same delay for me now | 16:09 |
| devananda | nova sent back a BODY with explanation of the error. Ironic sent back HEADers with min/max versions -- that led to some confusion, but i think it's sorted out | 16:09 |
| yolanda | and https works | 16:09 |
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| yolanda | locally | 16:09 |
| mordred | devananda: awesome | 16:09 |
| yolanda | failing on centos6, yes | 16:09 |
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| devananda | mordred: fwiw, we haven't done nearly enoug hwork in our client lib to make it actually usable | 16:09 |
| mordred | devananda: that's fine - I'm fine if it takes a long time for new things to show up because the client libs don't have the guts to deal with it | 16:10 |
| mordred | as long as I don't all of a sudden have to a) deal with a whole new class of errors or b) have to try to install 3 different copies of a different versions of a python library to be able to talk to three different clouds | 16:10 |
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| devananda | newer ironic client should talk to any ironic install since icehouse | 16:11 |
| mordred | perfect | 16:11 |
| mordred | that's all I want out of life | 16:11 |
| mordred | and the same thing for novacleint | 16:11 |
| mordred | I mean, I want MANY things | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | out of life, damn, don't set the bar to low mordred :-P | 16:12 |
| mordred | but it's all I want of this situtation | 16:12 |
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| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:12 |
| devananda | I say should, but we're not really testing it ... | 16:12 |
| mordred | devananda: AWESOME | 16:12 |
| yolanda | pabelanger, testing with git_curl_verbose=1 | 16:12 |
| yolanda | hands on > GET /openstack-infra/project-config/info/refs?service=git-upload-pack HTTP/1.1 | 16:13 |
| yolanda | same for you? | 16:13 |
| pabelanger | yolanda, yup | 16:13 |
| mordred | devananda: so - for this - it seems there may be some difference of opinion in the ironic team ranks currently as to whether https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195634/ is actually required | 16:13 |
| pabelanger | yolanda, http://pastebin.com/gUN7kLnb | 16:13 |
| pabelanger | hangs | 16:13 |
| pabelanger | then connection closes | 16:14 |
| pabelanger | will continue | 16:14 |
| yolanda | yep, same here | 16:14 |
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| devananda | mordred: urgh. that is related to a new feature, which should only be triggered if the client asks for new version | 16:14 |
| devananda | mordred: therefor, users (ie, shade) should NOT need to down-pin, because that's terrible | 16:14 |
| devananda | TheJulia: dtantsur|afk ^ | 16:15 |
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| pabelanger | yolanda, I'm starting to look into nss to see if there is a connection | 16:16 |
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| devananda | the related change in Ironic - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194722/ | 16:17 |
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| devananda | at least, I think that's the one that TheJulia's shade patch is about (pls confirm) | 16:17 |
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| yolanda | i'm stracing the git-upload-pack command | 16:18 |
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| pabelanger | yolanda, maybe it is the load balancer too | 16:18 |
| EmilienM | fungi: with the new job, I have a failing on the gate side: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195481/ | 16:18 |
| pabelanger | not sure, is working fine for me now | 16:18 |
| pabelanger | Oh | 16:18 |
| pabelanger | hehe | 16:18 |
| pabelanger | I know why | 16:18 |
| fungi | pabelanger: any chance you can try rolling back the glibc update for the ghost vulnerability and see if the problem still occurs? i wanted to try that on a lark, given the original timing of the issue, but was never able to reproduce it reliably enough | 16:18 |
| yolanda | strace showing something like http://paste.openstack.org/show/321398/ | 16:18 |
| jlvillal | Anybody willing to review: https://review.openstack.org/194488 Have irc-meetings-publish also publish directories ? | 16:19 |
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| EmilienM | fungi: I'm wondering the NOT_REGISTERED thing, maybe I need to wait a bit | 16:19 |
| clarkb | I still think server should report min and max versions then client should use max version in that range it understands | 16:20 |
| TheJulia | devananda: but as I understand it, when the client library gets updated, if we don't pin, there will be no way for a user to transition the state unless we already have the code in place to support the transition in advance | 16:20 |
| clarkb | because then the only time I have to care is when my client does not support anything in that range | 16:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Do not merge https://review.openstack.org/195288 | 16:21 |
| fungi | EmilienM: i show that job registered in zuul now at least | 16:21 |
| pabelanger | fungi, I likely cold | 16:21 |
| pabelanger | could* | 16:21 |
| yolanda | so, tried with same repo, project-config but from github, and clones fine | 16:21 |
| fungi | EmilienM: both jobs are registered in gearman and seem to be using the right node types | 16:21 |
| fungi | EmilienM: so probably safe to recheck now | 16:22 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur|afk: please, by all means, correct me if I'm wrong, but thats how I've interpretted the spec and discussion | 16:22 |
| EmilienM | fungi: ok, I try | 16:22 |
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| yolanda | pabelanger, so from github i cannot see that line | 16:22 |
| yolanda | Content-Type: application/x-git-upload-pack-advertisement | 16:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Do not merge https://review.openstack.org/195288 | 16:22 |
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| yolanda | ah, yes, it is, sorry... but it's not stopping there, for some reason that step makes that hang when cloning from git.openstack.org | 16:23 |
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| mordred | devananda: I'm not 100% sure - I'm mostly contextless other than the commit message | 16:24 |
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| devananda | TheJulia: so this is a really good case for "client must default to v1 API, unless the user explicitly requested another version" | 16:25 |
| pabelanger | yolanda, http://pastebin.com/xh9p0FdB | 16:25 |
| pabelanger | my github success | 16:25 |
| devananda | TheJulia: which is an argument I also got in with dtantsur|afk last cycle. I believe I was saying ^ and he wanted client to default to "latest" | 16:26 |
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| yolanda | yep, same here | 16:26 |
| yolanda | so what can be the difference? | 16:26 |
| TheJulia | devananda: Ansoloutely agree | 16:26 |
| devananda | the servre can add new capabilities / change hte API / even in breaking ways -- as long as it also supports the older API, and the client defaults to the older API, then users don't need to care | 16:26 |
| devananda | but if they want to care ,they can get new things | 16:26 |
| pabelanger | yolanda, well, that would indicate something server side | 16:27 |
| pabelanger | but unsure | 16:27 |
| devananda | this is exactly what sdague's blog post covered, AIUI | 16:27 |
| devananda | so yah - our client lib MUST default to min version | 16:27 |
| yolanda | some kind of configuration that makes centos6 fail | 16:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Run neutron-vpnaas functional tests for Neutron https://review.openstack.org/196127 | 16:27 |
| fungi | yolanda: pabelanger: well, git.o.o is haproxy running on centos 6 redirecting https connections to apache running on centos 6 backed by the git smart http cgi from centos 6 | 16:27 |
| anteaya | I'm seeing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195940/ in both the check and the gate queues at the same time | 16:27 |
| mordred | devananda: otoh - you can have the library default to latest | 16:28 |
| mordred | devananda: if you do not make breaking changes | 16:28 |
| anteaya | is this intentional and I missed it? | 16:28 |
| fungi | so the problem quite likely lies in one of those when accessed from a git client on centos 6 | 16:28 |
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| anteaya | I'm used to seeing a patch finish in check first and then if successful move to the gate queue | 16:28 |
| devananda | mordred: latest will be different on different clouds | 16:28 |
| fungi | yolanda: pabelanger: but not when accessed from ubuntu, amusingly | 16:28 |
| anteaya | seeing one patch in two pipelines at the same time is unusual for me | 16:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack-infra/project-config: puppet/upgrade: re-export env https://review.openstack.org/196129 | 16:29 |
| yolanda | old git version? | 16:29 |
| yolanda | i have some centos7 box, i can try from there | 16:29 |
| mordred | devananda: sure. I think what I'm trying to say is that - no matter how you work versions, breaking changes are still going to be breaking changes and they WILL be painful for a user | 16:29 |
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| anteaya | it has finished successfully in the gate and is now waiting on the check tests to finish | 16:29 |
| mordred | because there can be clouds sitting on either side of a change | 16:29 |
| anteaya | holding up the gate | 16:29 |
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| mordred | which means that a user will effectively have to sit at the oldest version of an API indefinitely, because upgrading the know api version would expose them to potential breaks in behavior, not just additional features available | 16:30 |
| fungi | anteaya: which change. the swift one? | 16:30 |
| mordred | OR | 16:30 |
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| anteaya | fungi: yes | 16:30 |
| pabelanger | fungi, Ya, I'm starting to wonder if the LB is somehow doing something | 16:30 |
| anteaya | fungi: out of the gate now still in check | 16:30 |
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| anteaya | fungi: grapped a screenshot | 16:31 |
| mordred | the user will have to start doing more "if version X, then set state Y, else, set state X" in their code | 16:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Igor Belikov proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add separate acls for 'stable/6.1' branch of fuel projects https://review.openstack.org/196130 | 16:31 |
| pabelanger | I don't think we can access git03, over HTTPS directly | 16:31 |
| mordred | to accomplish teh same task | 16:31 |
| yolanda | pabelanger, i read something about length of headers not being properly set | 16:31 |
| yolanda | and git being confused because of that | 16:31 |
| fungi | anteaya: that's because i used a zuul override to shunt it straight to the gate pipeline after is failed on git errors, since it's blocking integration tests for other projects | 16:31 |
| gordc | hi, just wondering, if free, can you look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196065/? it's blocking ceilometer's gate and shouldn't really be in our gate anyways | 16:31 |
| anteaya | fungi: http://imgur.com/bpHgf6p | 16:31 |
| anteaya | fungi: ah okay thanks | 16:31 |
| fungi | anteaya: expected behavior | 16:32 |
| anteaya | fungi: thank you | 16:32 |
| pabelanger | yolanda, Ya, that would be my thinking now | 16:32 |
| anteaya | fungi: I notice swift has a non-voting test in the gate, I will offer a patch to remove that | 16:32 |
| yolanda | testing with newer git | 16:32 |
| pabelanger | yolanda, https://review.openstack.org | 16:33 |
| pabelanger | works like a champ | 16:33 |
| pabelanger | a _little_ delay | 16:33 |
| pabelanger | but nothing like https://git.openstack.org | 16:33 |
| clarkb | pabelanger https://git03.o.o:4333 iirc | 16:33 |
| yolanda | so with git 1.8.3 version it works fine | 16:33 |
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| clarkb | and haproxy does no ssl termination | 16:34 |
| devananda | mordred: we need better words than "breaking change" | 16:34 |
| clarkb | pabelanger you can hit all the backends that way | 16:34 |
| TheJulia | devananda: "adding new required [human driven] workflow step?" | 16:35 |
| yolanda | just trying to compare headers between github and openstack | 16:35 |
| mordred | devananda: I agree | 16:35 |
| devananda | something like keystone v2 -> v3 is, AIUI, a complete change in semantics and resource names. something like ironic's v1.2 -> v1.3 was a rename of one state of one resource type | 16:35 |
| devananda | both are "breaking changes" | 16:36 |
| devananda | but on a clearly different scale | 16:36 |
| clarkb | wait | 16:36 |
| pabelanger | clarkb, perfect thanks | 16:36 |
| pabelanger | yolanda, GIT_CURL_VERBOSE=1 GIT_TRACE=1 GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=true git clone https://git03.openstack.org:4443/openstack/requirements | 16:36 |
| pabelanger | works tool | 16:36 |
| clarkb | devananda thats allowed? | 16:36 |
| pabelanger | too* | 16:36 |
| pabelanger | some lag | 16:36 |
| pabelanger | bug works | 16:36 |
| devananda | clarkb: what's allowed | 16:36 |
| mordred | devananda: the scale of each of them is the same | 16:36 |
| clarkb | devananda making changes like that across micro versions | 16:36 |
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| mordred | devananda: there is literally no difference to the user | 16:36 |
| mordred | both require that the user put branching logic in their code to perform equivilent tasks | 16:37 |
| clarkb | this | 16:37 |
| clarkb | which seems to go against the intent of micro versions | 16:37 |
| EmilienM | mordred, fungi: sorry to bother you but I just forgot this thing: https://review.openstack.org/196129 and I think we're good for testing | 16:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Anita Kuno proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Remove non-voting job from the swift gate https://review.openstack.org/196134 | 16:37 |
| clarkb | which is to add features and expose new funxtionality | 16:37 |
| clarkb | and declare that support | 16:37 |
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| yolanda | i see the Vary: Accept-Encoding is provided on github, and not on openstack, that's only diff | 16:38 |
| anteaya | TheJulia: I agree with your words | 16:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Victor Ryzhenkin proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Do not run unnecessary jobs in stable/juno https://review.openstack.org/196136 | 16:39 |
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| pabelanger | yolanda, ya, checking that out too | 16:39 |
| devananda | clarkb: and, to quote sdague, "to be able to evolve the API one piece at a time" | 16:40 |
| devananda | clarkb: a user of ironic can request the v1.1 API and will get exactly that and nothing more | 16:40 |
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| yolanda | pabelanger, actually, look at that bits | 16:40 |
| yolanda | < Pragma: no-cache | 16:40 |
| yolanda | < Cache-Control: no-cache, max-age=0, must-revalidate | 16:40 |
| yolanda | < Connection: close | 16:40 |
| yolanda | < Transfer-Encoding: chunked | 16:40 |
| yolanda | < Content-Type: application/x-git-upload-pack-advertisement | 16:40 |
| clarkb | but the problem is I have to know what to request in that situation | 16:40 |
| yolanda | see that Connection: close in the middle? | 16:40 |
| clarkb | instead the sercer client should just give me the most complete (latest) version and just work (tm) | 16:41 |
| devananda | clarkb: you have to know what you want to do -- yes | 16:41 |
| yolanda | that's not happening when cloning from other sources | 16:41 |
| clarkb | devananda thats a bug | 16:41 |
| devananda | clarkb: you're saying two different htings | 16:41 |
| clarkb | ni | 16:41 |
| clarkb | er no | 16:41 |
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| devananda | clarkb: client gives me latest magical foo, for any server it talks to, without changing its behavior at all << this is illogical | 16:41 |
| EmilienM | fungi: oh dear, the upgrade job is voting | 16:41 |
| clarkb | as is there is an expectation that the user is involved in this negotiation in oedrr to avoid breaking changes | 16:41 |
| clarkb | that is the problem | 16:42 |
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| devananda | clarkb: the expectation is that the user chooses whether or not to be involved | 16:42 |
| clarkb | you either dont maje breaking changes or be smarter for the user | 16:42 |
| clarkb | we alpear to do neither | 16:42 |
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| clarkb | why is that illogical? | 16:42 |
| devananda | clarkb: all changes are breaking changes | 16:42 |
| EmilienM | fungi: seems like the regex does not work: ^gate-puppet-*-puppet-beaker-rspec-upgrade-dsvm-.*$ | 16:43 |
| devananda | clarkb: because you can't guarantee they exist in all clouds | 16:43 |
| timothyb89 | Hello all, I'm attempting to submit a contributor agreement at https://review.openstack.org/ but seem to be getting a server error, is there any way to work around that? | 16:43 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: fyi ^ | 16:43 |
| clarkb | adding a feature is not a breaking change | 16:43 |
| clarkb | devananda the cliyd negitiates with th cliebt... | 16:43 |
| fungi | EmilienM: -*- matches -- and --- and ---- | 16:43 |
| devananda | clarkb: it should be treated like one, because I can't control whether some other cloud implements that feature too | 16:43 |
| fungi | EmilienM: oh, and just - | 16:43 |
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| fungi | EmilienM: you probably wanted -.*- | 16:43 |
| EmilienM | yeah | 16:43 |
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| clarkb | devananda thats a different class of error | 16:43 |
| devananda | clarkb: so a user who writes an app against cloud A can not assme that app works on cloud B -- unless new features are also guarded with microversions | 16:44 |
| clarkb | you raise not supported and then let the cliebt worry | 16:44 |
| fungi | EmilienM: i guess we missed that in the earlier review. you should update 196129 to adjust it | 16:44 |
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| clarkb | but worrying upfront is just pain | 16:44 |
| devananda | clarkb: what? | 16:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack-infra/project-config: zuul: make puppet/upgrade jobs non-voting https://review.openstack.org/196140 | 16:44 |
| EmilienM | fungi: I'm dumb | 16:44 |
| clarkb | devananda if I try to boot a node and that isnt supported on latest version for server client says not supprted | 16:45 |
| clarkb | now I can figure out how tobhandle that | 16:45 |
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| devananda | clarkb: sure. | 16:45 |
| clarkb | but if I have to explicitly determine what version allows me to boot a node upfront then config my client every tinw to use that version you just lost a user | 16:45 |
| EmilienM | can I have +A on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196140/ ? this is an outstanding patch for puppet | 16:46 |
| devananda | clarkb: that's the argument for "client should request the highest version that it was developed for // tested against" | 16:46 |
| pabelanger | yolanda, I would have to read up on haproxy and see about LB of HTTPS works | 16:46 |
| clarkb | devanabda yes | 16:46 |
| fungi | timothyb89: https://ask.openstack.org/question/56720 | 16:46 |
| yolanda | actually, wasn't a haproxy change landed recently? | 16:46 |
| pabelanger | yolanda, But ya, I think you are right. git is bombing on the headers or something | 16:47 |
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| clarkb | yolanda yes but this issue has existed since ghost | 16:47 |
| devananda | clarkb: in that case, a client written against, say, 1.6, will always request 1.6. server A may respond "here's 1.6!" and server B may respond "sorry, unsupported, let's negotiate -- and agree on 1.4" and then server C may say "sorry, I only support versions 1.10 - 1.50" | 16:47 |
| clarkb | devananda yup | 16:47 |
| devananda | clarkb: turns out that's what our spec says :) | 16:47 |
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| fungi | pabelanger: haproxy is only dealing with this at the socket layer since it's not terminating ssl/tls, so it won't be changing ant http headers | 16:47 |
| pabelanger | fungi, ah, okay | 16:48 |
| clarkb | devananda I thought you said that client will always use 1.0 unless told otherwise | 16:48 |
| pabelanger | fungi, wasn't sure if it needed to do any rewriting | 16:48 |
| timothyb89 | fungi: That solved it, thanks! | 16:48 |
| clarkb | devananda so then you tell it 1.6 but maybe I really need 1.9 | 16:48 |
| devananda | clarkb: that is what I believe sdague is proposing, and what I had originally proposed, and what, in fact results in the issue that TheJulia is patching shade to prevent | 16:48 |
| fungi | pabelanger: nope. were you able to reproduce when bypassing haproxy and going straight to a particular backend? | 16:48 |
| devananda | clarkb: namely, v1.9 will introduce a change that will affect shade | 16:48 |
| fungi | timothyb89: you're welcome | 16:49 |
| clarkb | devananda not if the client says i can only speak 1.6 | 16:49 |
| devananda | clarkb: if we were to do a client release that was developed for v1.9, and someone installed that client lib with an older shade, it would break | 16:49 |
| clarkb | devananda then you still use 1.6 until youbhave a client that can 1.9 | 16:49 |
| devananda | clarkb: so now shade must pin what python version of the client it installs -- or pinthe API version | 16:49 |
| clarkb | wait why? | 16:49 |
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| clarkb | the sdk exposed should not change | 16:49 |
| clarkb | thats why we have this layer of abstraction | 16:50 |
| devananda | "the sdk" ? | 16:50 |
| clarkb | boot_node() is stille boot_node() | 16:50 |
| mordred | devananda: what I'm saying is that 1.9 shold not be able to introduce that change | 16:50 |
| mordred | because it's not a new feature | 16:50 |
| devananda | mordred: you would do 2.0 ? | 16:50 |
| devananda | mordred: and yes it is | 16:50 |
| mordred | yes | 16:50 |
| clarkb | devananda tge interface exposed to python consumers of the lib | 16:50 |
| devananda | it is a new feature | 16:50 |
| devananda | it's NOT a new resource | 16:50 |
| mordred | devananda: it's is an incompatible backwards change to an existing feature | 16:50 |
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| devananda | mordred: yup | 16:51 |
| mordred | that is a 2.0 major bump by all definitions of the word | 16:51 |
| pabelanger | zazaZA+56+6+++ | 16:51 |
| mordred | and if we think we can use microversions to deal with it, then microversions are a broken concept | 16:51 |
| fungi | pabelanger: i agree | 16:51 |
| devananda | mordred: s/micro// | 16:51 |
| mordred | nope | 16:51 |
| mordred | major version bumps are a well understood concept | 16:51 |
| mordred | this is a version supported range | 16:51 |
| clarkb | ironicclients python inerface should no change between 1.6 and 1.9 | 16:52 |
| devananda | yup. and the API can easily downgrade and prsent an older version | 16:52 |
| mordred | so - let's back up for a second | 16:52 |
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| mordred | you're adding a new state, right? | 16:52 |
| devananda | so the api service can readily present the same behavior | 16:52 |
| devananda | mordred: more than one, yes | 16:52 |
| mordred | if I explicitly request an older api version | 16:52 |
| mordred | and then I get a list of states | 16:52 |
| mordred | what will ironic show me? | 16:52 |
| mordred | or, rather, if a node is in one of the new states | 16:52 |
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| devananda | mordred: exactly what you're expecting - the new state | 16:53 |
| devananda | which is broken :) | 16:53 |
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| mordred | heh | 16:53 |
| devananda | (micro)versions are leaky | 16:53 |
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| devananda | but if I'm using the keystone v3 api, and do some things that v2 didn't support, and someone else is using v2 api for the same cloud ... what will they see? | 16:54 |
| mordred | v2 concepts | 16:54 |
| mordred | a user is still a user | 16:54 |
| mordred | a user ALSO has a domain in v3 | 16:54 |
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| mordred | but a user still looks like a user | 16:54 |
| morganfainberg | mordred: unless the user is outside of the default domain, which case it doesn't exist in v2 | 16:54 |
| mordred | a project is called a tenant - but the concept is still the same | 16:55 |
| mordred | HOWEVER | 16:55 |
| mordred | this is also broken :) | 16:55 |
| mordred | we shold not be pointing to the v2 to v3 transition as a reference for permission to break the world as massively | 16:55 |
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| devananda | mordred: indeed. however. we're not perfect. and we need to recognize the need to evolve the APIs we have | 16:56 |
| mordred | I'm saying - ifyou are going to make a conceptual break, you need to bump the major. however, you should endeavor to do that very infrequently | 16:56 |
| devananda | or else we need to spend A LOT MORE TIME designing the API up front, and recognize that OpenStack is an API standards body, not a body of developers | 16:56 |
| mordred | I believe you said two things as if they were one thing | 16:56 |
| mordred | and I think that is a patently false assertion | 16:56 |
| devananda | mordred: just now, or previously? | 16:57 |
| mordred | I think we need to spend a LOT MORE TIME designing the API because it's good for users | 16:57 |
| mordred | that does not make us a standards body | 16:57 |
| devananda | heh | 16:57 |
| mordred | it makes us good develoers | 16:57 |
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| mordred | developrs | 16:57 |
| JayF | Good waterfall developers | 16:57 |
| mordred | gah | 16:57 |
| mordred | not good typers | 16:57 |
| mordred | clearly | 16:57 |
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| JayF | There are some users who might prefer agility to API stability | 16:57 |
| devananda | mordred: I assert that the vast majority of developers are not good api designers | 16:57 |
| TheJulia | mordred: your forgetting, most of us grok bad typing :) | 16:57 |
| mordred | JayF: people keep saying that, except that literally every user I talk to or myself says the exact oppposite | 16:57 |
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| pabelanger | fungi, bypassing proxy worked as expected | 16:58 |
| mordred | devananda: sure. but just because we might need to take more care in designing our apis up front does not all of a sudden turn us into an api standards body taht doesn't write ode | 16:58 |
| JayF | mordred: well you can't say that anymore; I'm a user and I didn't say the exact opposity ;) | 16:58 |
| pabelanger | fungi, daughter hacking :) | 16:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Davide Guerri proposed openstack-infra/shade: Add Neutron/Nova Floating IP tests https://review.openstack.org/177036 | 16:58 |
| devananda | mordred: and since we would need good api designers to, well, design the api that the developers develop, there would necessarily emerge an api standards body | 16:58 |
| devananda | mordred: oh - i didn't mean we'd stop writing code :) | 16:58 |
| mordred | JayF: neat! you are literaly the first person I have ever met who has advocated for faster more incompatible changes in the openstack apis. nice to meet you | 16:59 |
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| mordred | devananda: "and recognize that OpenStack is an API standards body, not a body of | 16:59 |
| mordred | | developers | 16:59 |
| mordred | " | 16:59 |
| mordred | I believe you did, in fact, say exactly that | 16:59 |
| mordred | with "not a body of developers" | 17:00 |
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| fungi | pabelanger: so https://git01.openstack.org:8443/ isn't exhibiting the issue? | 17:00 |
| devananda | mordred: you are correct. I am bad at brainfingerwordthings sometimes | 17:00 |
| fungi | pabelanger: er, 4443 | 17:00 |
| mordred | devananda: me too! :) | 17:00 |
| JayF | mordred: I didn't say /exactly/ that. I'm just saying that I generally prefer 'better' over 'stable'. Or maybe better put; I don't want API stability to stay in the way of making software behave better | 17:01 |
| JayF | mordred: but I'm not an expert in this field and will bow out; just wanted to make it clear that the "don't change" mentality isn't 100% penetrative (even if apparently it's 99.999% and I'm the .001%) | 17:01 |
| mordred | JayF: I agree with that broadly as well ... but in this case we're this weird thing where rather than there being one instance of us, there are hundreds, and a developer can expect to use more than one of them | 17:02 |
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| mordred | JayF: and I'm not saying don't change at all ... I'm saying "stop breaking me" | 17:02 |
| yolanda | pabelanger, need to go now but i'll take a look tomorrow morning as well | 17:02 |
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| devananda | mordred: I believe API version negotiation, which is a much more accurate description of the intent than "microversion", is the developers taking a stab at a technical solution which should not break (or only minimally affect) existing users, while allowing developers to evolve the project to meet the needs of new users | 17:02 |
| mordred | change to completely new things does not necessitate ditching old things | 17:02 |
| mordred | devananda: right. I hear that and I understand the reasoning and I undersatnd the rhetoric around it. EXCEPT - that my worst fear has immediately become true, which is that one of the first things it's used for is a user-facing incompatible conceptual shift | 17:03 |
| mordred | which is not a mechanism to evolve the api throgh a series of small changes | 17:03 |
| mordred | but more similar to "we bumped the major 4 times in the last 2 years but it's ok because we used semver and told you we were breaking you" | 17:04 |
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| mordred | it is both possible to introduce tons of new micro concepts and negotiate them as is described | 17:04 |
| devananda | mordred: if you, as a user, can continue using the service in the same way, why do you care if others can use it in new ways? | 17:05 |
| mordred | and it's also possible that sometimes the shift is such that representing the new concept in the old version is impossible | 17:05 |
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| mordred | in the second case, it is a breaking change for existing users of the service and should be treated as a Big Deal | 17:05 |
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| mordred | devananda: I can't - beacuse you leaked new state data past the microversion gate - the new concepts are unrepresentable in a downgrade request, but they are part of a resource concept that existed in the downgraded version of the API | 17:06 |
| SpamapS | The moment there's a better way to do things, developers twitch if you don't deprecate the not-better way. | 17:06 |
| SpamapS | and then they get all weird about supporting stable old stuff.. | 17:06 |
| SpamapS | "Oh nobody uses that. Its awful anyway. We should just remove it." | 17:06 |
| SpamapS | pretty soon we're back at nova-network vs. neutron if not careful. | 17:07 |
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| mordred | so it is entirely possible and reasonable for a person to still be using the old api microversion and all of a sudden have their code broken - EVEN WITH microversion negotiation | 17:07 |
| mordred | that's what I'm concerned about | 17:07 |
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| devananda | mordred: as a user of nova, you do not see resources owned by other users | 17:07 |
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| mordred | that is correct | 17:07 |
| SpamapS | but instead of nova-network and neutron its v3.1.x vs. v2.0.x and public clouds that diverge from master too far get stuck on one or the other... | 17:07 |
| devananda | mordred: if /those/ users did new things, it wouldn't affect your resources, and thus, you're safe from this sort of change | 17:08 |
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| mordred | devananda: that is correct | 17:08 |
| mordred | I do not believe that is a relevant analogy | 17:08 |
| devananda | mordred: even though ironic doesn't (currently) have user-ownership of resources, i think the analogy is fair | 17:08 |
| mordred | what this is akin to is the copy of launch_node.py that we wrote using the same version of python-novaclient that we have been using for 3 years | 17:09 |
| pabelanger | fungi, works, some delay but nothing like git.o.o | 17:09 |
| mordred | all of a sudden being confronted with a new state as the nodes are booting and we're checking to see if they are ready | 17:09 |
| mordred | even though we neither requested a new feature in those nodes, nor a new version of an api | 17:09 |
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| pabelanger | fungi, still upwards of 9sec to clone openstack/requirements | 17:09 |
| mordred | because checking state transitions in teh api is a thing that we've been doing as part of launching a node the whole tie | 17:10 |
| mordred | time | 17:10 |
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| devananda | mordred: I do not see any way to add states to an API without potentially exposing it to all clients, even older ones, regardless of bumping minor or major versions | 17:10 |
| pabelanger | fungi, 1 sec for http | 17:10 |
| devananda | mordred: your argument seems to result in a position of "you can never change the states, because they're not version(ed|able)" -- but I don thitnk that's what you mean | 17:11 |
| devananda | mordred: so I'm eager to know what you think should be done instead | 17:11 |
| mordred | devananda: my argument is "chaging the states is a user-breaking action and should be acknowldged as such" | 17:11 |
| mordred | it is NOT a minor change | 17:11 |
| pabelanger | mind you SSL has some over head | 17:11 |
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| devananda | mordred: bumping the major version and having both a /v1/ and /v2/ REST endpoint wouldn't guard against this either | 17:12 |
| pelix | clarkb fungi mordred jeblair: wonder if anyone might have some time to review some changes for JJB, have a few from myself already reviewed by Khai (zaro), but need another core reviewer to approve | 17:12 |
| SpamapS | devananda: if you are getting requests for an older version, you have to keep using the old state machine, or write an adapter that adapts the new one to the old transitions as best it can. | 17:12 |
| devananda | SpamapS: and do what for nodes that are in a new state? | 17:12 |
| mordred | otherwise you're going to make me do it in my code | 17:12 |
| mordred | I mean, I'm going to have ot write that mapping now | 17:12 |
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| cschwede | sdague: fungi: patch 195940 merged, devstack tests should pass again | 17:12 |
| mordred | it's a burden you're placing on the end user | 17:13 |
| SpamapS | devananda: if there's no logical mapping, then you do not allow a node to be created or queried anymore with the old API version. | 17:13 |
| fungi | cschwede: yep, i saw. good work | 17:13 |
| pelix | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181541/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133997/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183488/ are the main ones | 17:13 |
| devananda | SpamapS: so simply hide the node | 17:13 |
| SpamapS | devananda: no, fail the requests | 17:13 |
| devananda | SpamapS: fail the request for "GET /v1/nodes/" ??? | 17:13 |
| devananda | SpamapS: huh? | 17:13 |
| SpamapS | devananda: that will help highlight just how much this breaks as soon as it happens. | 17:13 |
| fungi | cschwede: it merged a while ago. i bumped it straight into the gate after the git failures earlier so we could get everything unblocked sooner | 17:13 |
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| SpamapS | devananda: yes. | 17:13 |
| SpamapS | "You have nodes that are in a new state. I can't show that to you with v1. GTFO" | 17:14 |
| mordred | so - imagine I am a user with a program to do a task that is running against two different versions of the same service | 17:14 |
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| mordred | and then describe to me how I'm supposed to handle this | 17:14 |
| SpamapS | devananda: "fail fast" | 17:14 |
| pabelanger | fungi, yolanda running for some lunch / errands | 17:14 |
| pabelanger | going to play more with it this afternoon | 17:14 |
| cschwede | fungi: ah, and i was wondering why it was in the check and gate pipeline at the same time. thx! | 17:14 |
| devananda | mordred: you know about states X and Y. you get back a list of nodes, some of which are in states X, Y, and Z. you ignore Z. | 17:14 |
| mordred | because there has to be _some_ logical way that I, as the user, am expected to deal with this | 17:14 |
| SpamapS | devananda: hopefully before that, you'd start logging warnings, and provide a way for operators to warn users "You're using v1, it's about to be deprecated. Upgrade before date X" | 17:15 |
| flashgordon | greghaynes mordred: when will https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195748/ start being used | 17:15 |
| mordred | devananda: awesome. so state Z is ignorable? | 17:15 |
| SpamapS | devananda: Ever heard the axiom, be conservative in what you emit, and liberal in what you accept? | 17:15 |
| mordred | devananda: I am not required to action a state transition to or from it to accomplish the same work? | 17:15 |
| devananda | mordred: quite likely. or not actionable in any way from v1 | 17:15 |
| greghaynes | flashgordon: when https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196081/ (<- SpamapS) merges and new images are rebuilt | 17:16 |
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| devananda | we could hide nodes which are in state Z from the result set | 17:16 |
| mordred | if I can safely ignore state Z, then this is not a problem | 17:16 |
| devananda | becaues there's nothing v1 can reasonably do with them anyway | 17:16 |
| devananda | yup | 17:16 |
| mordred | if I need to do something with state Z that I did not use to ahve to do with state Z, then it is | 17:16 |
| greghaynes | flashgordon: so probably not until tomorrow, realistically | 17:17 |
| devananda | new state Z is not required in any way for the functionality that v1 presented | 17:17 |
| flashgordon | greghaynes: kk thanks | 17:17 |
| mordred | GREAT. then we've been arguing about a non problem | 17:17 |
| mordred | and TheJulia's patch is not needed | 17:17 |
| devananda | mordred: exactly! | 17:17 |
| mordred | because the supposition is taht the new state breaks existing code | 17:17 |
| TheJulia | Its not a new state per say, its a new workflow | 17:17 |
| mordred | the way a new state breaks existing code is if existing tasks people were performing now must understand the new state | 17:17 |
| TheJulia | that does involve a new state | 17:17 |
| devananda | mordred: no, it is needed so that shade can continue to use the current behavior | 17:18 |
| SpamapS | I would agree, btw, that showing only v1-compliant-results in v1 requests, is a good idea. | 17:18 |
| devananda | mordred: shade won't break when v1.9 lands in the server AS LONG AS shade keeps using v1.8 API | 17:18 |
| anteaya | flashgordon: you have to return as flashgordon on the occasional friday | 17:18 |
| SpamapS | Though to be clear, if a direct request for a non-v1-compliant resource is made, it should not say "not found" but "Incompatible version" (409 conflict?) | 17:18 |
| flashgordon | anteaya: deal | 17:18 |
| devananda | mordred: if shade wants to handle the new states that v1.9 will introduce, it should then begin requesting v1.9 | 17:18 |
| anteaya | flashgordon: :) | 17:19 |
| devananda | SpamapS: correct re: 409 | 17:19 |
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| mordred | devananda: ok. so - this is, in fact, literally no better than the previous version scheme - because we're back to me having to know about versions - now I just have to know about them more frequently. ok. I'll stand down | 17:19 |
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| devananda | mordred: you either: dont care about versions and dont get new features; care about versions and get new features | 17:20 |
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| devananda | mordred: do not care about versions, get new features and sometimes get errors when cloud doesn't have feature you wanted | 17:20 |
| devananda | mordred: those are the three possible combinations that I see | 17:20 |
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| mordred | devananda: we need a better word for features | 17:21 |
| devananda | yes | 17:21 |
| mordred | because I think it implies something which is not true | 17:21 |
| mordred | s/features/behavior/ maybe | 17:21 |
| devananda | sure | 17:21 |
| mordred | turtles :) | 17:21 |
| TheJulia | cats | 17:21 |
| mordred | mmm. cats | 17:21 |
| * Clint squints. | 17:22 | |
| devananda | you either care about bacon, or you do not care about bacon. but either way, you get bacon. | 17:22 |
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| SpamapS | devananda: I _so_ care about bacon. | 17:23 |
| mordred | listen, I get all of those arguments. I'm mainly trying to communicate that nomatter what you do - breaking changes hurt users | 17:23 |
| mordred | so no matter how you communicate them - they are painful | 17:23 |
| mordred | and no matter what you do with version ranges, they are painful | 17:23 |
| mordred | so - you know - if you want to be friendly - please try to not make them as much as you humanly can | 17:24 |
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| * anteaya does not care about bacon | 17:24 | |
| anteaya | there is a fantastic vegan restaurant on fort collins | 17:24 |
| anteaya | tasty harmony | 17:24 |
| anteaya | not only do I recommend it | 17:24 |
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| SpamapS | anteaya: do you care about Bacon? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bacon | 17:24 |
| mordred | and understand that, for the most part, reworking of internal development things are not "features" to an end user. "tenant" renamed to "project" was not an end user feature that an end user wanted to opt in to | 17:24 |
| anteaya | I insist I get an invite it you go | 17:24 |
| anteaya | SpamapS: about Francis Bacon, somewhat | 17:25 |
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| devananda | anteaya: http://www.silenceheartnest.com/ has vegan bacon, I believe | 17:25 |
| dhellmann | is it safe to turn off the icehouse jobs for devstack-gate? we've EOLed that release, right? | 17:25 |
| dhellmann | jeblair, mordred, fungi, sdague : ^^ | 17:26 |
| fungi | dhellmann: we haven't tagged/deleted the branches yet, but can. nobody's approving new changes (i haven't gone looking for any open to abandon yet though) | 17:26 |
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| dhellmann | ok, it looks like we're testing with the latest oslo.i18n, which of course isn't compatible that far back https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195724/ | 17:27 |
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| devananda | mordred: I understand that. OTOH, the state machine changes we're making are directly and specifically enabling things nearly every one of our users wants | 17:27 |
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| devananda | mordred: and these changes are too big to do in one cycle | 17:27 |
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| fungi | dhellmann: i'll try to get the teardown on my roster for monday, but we can drop some jobs today if they're hurting | 17:28 |
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| dhellmann | fungi: yeah, I'm looking through trying to figure out how to build that patch now | 17:29 |
| dhellmann | I just wanted to make sure that was a legit approach | 17:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: remove swift tests from ceilometer gate https://review.openstack.org/196065 | 17:29 |
| mordred | devananda: ok. I mean, I'm not actually an Ironic user. I'm a heavy nova user and a keystone user and a glance user and each of them have screwed me with API differences across clouds | 17:29 |
| mordred | devananda: so I am mostly sharing my pain and experience from taht and translating it to you | 17:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Victor Ryzhenkin proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Do not run unnecessary jobs in stable/juno https://review.openstack.org/196136 | 17:30 |
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| mordred | devananda: take it for what it's worth | 17:30 |
| dhellmann | fungi: hmm, most of those failures are non-voting anyway so we're just wasting nodes not blocking things | 17:30 |
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| fungi | dhellmann: though this will be our first time doing a stable branch eol under the bigtop | 17:32 |
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| fungi | dhellmann: so i may need to rethink/pick brains about which projects i tackle | 17:32 |
| dhellmann | fungi: yeah, I'm going to go look into why the swift job is failing, and leave the other changes for next week -- I'll help, but they're less of a priority atm | 17:32 |
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| dhellmann | a brainstorming session sounds like a good idea | 17:33 |
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| fungi | dhellmann: which swift job? if you mean the functional test job, it should be fixed in the last hour or two | 17:33 |
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| devananda | mordred: it is much appreciated. I learn a lot from your pain^D^D^D^Dexperiences | 17:34 |
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| AJaeger | Hi, if anybody could review either of the following patches for project-config, I would appreciate it. But it's nothing urgent... https://review.openstack.org/188161 and https://review.openstack.org/193784. Thanks! | 17:37 |
| AJaeger | pleia2: are you around to discuss Zanata? | 17:38 |
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| pleia2 | AJaeger: yep | 17:40 |
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| cinerama | AJaeger, pleia2: you folks can take me off of the admin list unless you want/need my help on something | 17:41 |
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| pleia2 | AJaeger: so I think the main thing we have to do is familiarize ourselves with the workflow so we know what we still need (groups?) and how to assist translators here and there | 17:41 |
| pleia2 | AJaeger: sounds like StevenK has a good handle on uploading the translations themselves | 17:41 |
| dhellmann | fungi: oh, yeah, that's the one. so I'll recheck... | 17:43 |
| pleia2 | cinerama: thanks | 17:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Victor Ryzhenkin proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Do not run unnecessary jobs in stable/juno https://review.openstack.org/196136 | 17:45 |
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| AJaeger | pleia2: what are groups? | 17:46 |
| AJaeger | in transifex we had translation teams - one for each language. But that's it... | 17:46 |
| pleia2 | AJaeger: actually, I think I'm conflating groups and teams here, they may be different things... | 17:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Priti Desai proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Adding new security repo https://review.openstack.org/196165 | 17:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Victor Ryzhenkin proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Do not run unnecessary jobs in stable/juno https://review.openstack.org/196136 | 17:47 |
| pleia2 | AJaeger: so yeah, the documentation says they're supposed to join a translations team http://docs.zanata.org/en/release/user-guide/translator-guide/ | 17:47 |
| pleia2 | looks like Groups are more administrative-focused, so I did mean Teams | 17:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Victor Ryzhenkin proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Do not run unnecessary jobs in stable/juno https://review.openstack.org/196136 | 17:49 |
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| pleia2 | AJaeger: Zanata also has coordinators assigned for each team, does Transifex have such a thing? | 17:50 |
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| AJaeger | pleia2: and looking at the groups document, I don't think we need this initially. Right now we have also only one group. | 17:51 |
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| AJaeger | Yes, transifex has coordinators for each team... | 17:51 |
| AJaeger | Those can approve new team members | 17:51 |
| pleia2 | AJaeger: ok, so I think we need to figure out how to pull that coordinator data over from transifex into zanata | 17:51 |
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| AJaeger | pleia2: I think we need to discuss with daisy about this... We might have some inactive coordinators and therefore I suggest to use the change to only transfer active folks... | 17:53 |
| pleia2 | AJaeger: that's fine, I'm just trying to note down things we need to do to replicate what we have in transifex | 17:53 |
| AJaeger | What about giving Daisy and one or two others from the translation team early access and let them figure out workflow and processes so that they can help with the initial documentation and email? | 17:54 |
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| AJaeger | pleia2: Sure! | 17:54 |
| pleia2 | AJaeger: yeah, we can do that, time zones are just tricky for me as the translators are awake when I'm very asleep :) | 17:54 |
| AJaeger | Let them work with StevenK ;) | 17:55 |
| pleia2 | haha | 17:55 |
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| pleia2 | ok, I'll draft up an email to Daisy about her initial testing, that we should have ready by middle of next week or so | 17:55 |
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| pleia2 | and give her people to email about issues | 17:55 |
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| AJaeger | Right now we have in transifex 79 languages with 899 people set up. | 17:56 |
| AJaeger | And now way to export these AFAIK. So, let them all register again... | 17:57 |
| pleia2 | we're using openstackid, so it's not a new registration | 17:58 |
| AJaeger | s/now/no/ | 17:58 |
| pleia2 | but they will need to sign up for teams again if we can't export that from transifex | 17:58 |
| AJaeger | pleia2: still, they need to login and apply for the translation team again | 17:58 |
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| pleia2 | yeah | 17:58 |
| AJaeger | pleia2: I haven't found a way to export it. | 17:58 |
| pleia2 | ok | 17:58 |
| clarkb | mordred: can you check that the utf8 stuff with mysql at https://github.com/ether/etherpad-lite/wiki/How-to-use-Etherpad-Lite-with-MySQL looks sane? | 17:59 |
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| pleia2 | well, coordinators will still have access to transifex, so they can compare the current list with people applying | 17:59 |
| clarkb | my etherpad-lite change merged so now I am going to try getting that deployed on etherpad-dev and do the db conversion too | 17:59 |
| pleia2 | and I'm positive not everyone will try the new zanata demo, so our test will be somewhat small | 17:59 |
| AJaeger | yep | 17:59 |
| AJaeger | pleia2: indeed. We could ask the coordinators to join as a first group ;) | 18:00 |
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| mordred | clarkb: yah - looks sane - devananda, SpamapS: ^^ either of you want to double check me on that? | 18:00 |
| pleia2 | AJaeger: heh, yeah | 18:00 |
| AJaeger | pleia2: btw. https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/neutron-upstream-translation-update/383/consoleFull shows that the zanata.xml generation is still broken | 18:00 |
| pleia2 | AJaeger: yeah, we still don't have an infra account set up, jeblair is working on the email bit of it | 18:00 |
| AJaeger | StevenK, could you fix that one next - IMHO that's more important than openstack-manuals. | 18:00 |
| * SpamapS reads | 18:01 | |
| AJaeger | pleia2: Ah... | 18:01 |
| jeblair | oh right | 18:01 |
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| pleia2 | :D | 18:01 |
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| mordred | oh wow. just saw this in #openstack-dev | 18:01 |
| mordred | 23:53:41 clayg | so the swift functional dsvm gate is failing because of a new patched python that ubuntu released limiting the maximum number of headers httplib | 18:01 |
| mordred | | will accept from a server to 100 -> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.7/2.7.6-8ubuntu0.2 | 18:01 |
| mordred | basically - wow | 18:01 |
| clarkb | mordred: yes, swift needs ~90 just for itself then you have http overhead | 18:02 |
| clarkb | mordred: so swift is monkey patching httplib to allow 128 now | 18:02 |
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| pleia2 | AJaeger: ok, I think I have enough info to send an email off to daisy in a bit about our status and plans, did you have anything else? | 18:03 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: _bin collation.. is there never a need to sort for humans in etherpad-lite ? | 18:03 |
| cschwede | clarkb: well, swift might need 90 if the user sends so much metadata. which is tested in the functional tests, thus we hit the limit | 18:03 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: I honestly don't know. The store table is literally 'key' | 'value' | 18:03 |
| dougwig | hi infra, is the somewhat longish page load latency on review.o.o this week a known issue? | 18:03 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: so the schema doesn't really tell us much about what they are storing | 18:04 |
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| SpamapS | clarkb: given the use case, it seems unlikely there's need for sorting. | 18:04 |
| AJaeger | pleia2: Let me reread the emails and answer if anything still is unclear but I think you're good... | 18:04 |
| AJaeger | pleia2: thanks! | 18:05 |
| pleia2 | AJaeger: ok, thanks :) | 18:05 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: ooo EAR, fun | 18:05 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: for that matter, it seems unlikely there's need for character sets at all.. sounds like it should just be BLOB | 18:05 |
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| clarkb | SpamapS: no the character set is important because mysql is stupid | 18:05 |
| Clint | SpamapS: it's k,v json | 18:05 |
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| clarkb | SpamapS: at the summit the service died when someone put a 4 byte utf8 char in mysql except normal utf8 in mysql only allows 3 byte chars | 18:06 |
| clarkb | at that point mysql doesn't error instead it truncates | 18:06 |
| clarkb | and etherpad lite was dead at that point | 18:06 |
| jeblair | pleia2: zanata@openstack.org -> infra-root@openstack.org | 18:06 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: in a BLOB, there is no character set. bits in, bits out, client too. | 18:06 |
| jeblair | pleia2: (at least, it should within a few minutes) | 18:06 |
| jeblair | pleia2: you should be able to log into the infra-root account to check mail | 18:06 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: ah well then their schema is extra broken | 18:06 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: indeed it is | 18:06 |
| clarkb | I just can't get over utf8 != utf8 to mysql | 18:06 |
| SpamapS | I mean... technically.. | 18:07 |
| SpamapS | json is utf-8 | 18:07 |
| jeblair | pleia2: know where that url & password are? | 18:07 |
| Clint | the client's not doing any error-checking, so you want the database to be valid utf-8 | 18:07 |
| SpamapS | so technically it _does_ matter... | 18:07 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: no | 18:07 |
| clarkb | Clint: aiui mysql does not issue an error in that case | 18:07 |
| SpamapS | but do you really want your database being a filter for bad utf8? :-P | 18:07 |
| clarkb | it silently truncates | 18:07 |
| jeblair | pleia2: have you been introduced to the super secure password store? | 18:07 |
| Clint | clarkb: even with mb4? ffs | 18:07 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: no thats why we are setting the character set | 18:07 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: if it's not hiera, then no | 18:07 |
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| jeblair | pleia2: hop on puppetmaster.openstack.org; 'sudo su -' and 'screen -x' | 18:08 |
| pleia2 | k | 18:09 |
| SpamapS | yeah, LONGTEXT .. | 18:09 |
| SpamapS | so there's really and truly no reason that can't be LONGBLOB .. | 18:09 |
| SpamapS | the only benefit to having it be LONGTEXT is that you know for sure the database will only have $charset in that column. | 18:10 |
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| SpamapS | This is one of those philosophical arguments that has no right answer. | 18:10 |
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| clarkb | considering its a node.js app using mysql as a key value store iwth a single table in a single db meh | 18:11 |
| clarkb | (its all bad) | 18:11 |
| AJaeger | pleia2: could you approve my request to join the German translation team in Zanata, please? | 18:12 |
| Clint | clarkb: could be worse | 18:12 |
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| pleia2 | AJaeger: I will try | 18:13 |
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| fungi | dougwig: sort of. i blocked a seemingly problematic source address earlier in the week. i see another that may also need to be squashed (213 out of the last 1000 connections originated from it) | 18:14 |
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| mordred | Clint: yeah - they could be using mongo to store relational tables | 18:17 |
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| SpamapS | mordred: this is really a Cassandra problem isn't it? | 18:18 |
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| AJaeger | pleia2: I got an email from zanata, thanks! | 18:19 |
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| AJaeger | pleia2: translation workflow is similiar enough to transifex that the learning curve should be small... | 18:21 |
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| AJaeger | pleia2: I found it a bit easier to navigate in transifex, let's see... | 18:21 |
| devananda | mordred: i do not recall "mb4" being a thing last time I used mysql, but other than that, yes | 18:21 |
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| SpamapS | devananda: https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/charset-unicode-utf8mb4.html if you're interested | 18:23 |
| SpamapS | devananda: 5.5.3 added it | 18:23 |
| pleia2 | AJaeger: great | 18:23 |
| jeblair | pleia2: okay, you're all set and off to the races! | 18:23 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: thanks! | 18:24 |
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| mordred | SpamapS: just for the record - drizzle added that several years ago | 18:27 |
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| Shrews | mordred: drizzle? that sounds like fancy technology. is it web scale? | 18:30 |
| fungi | the go rewrite will be | 18:31 |
| Shrews | fungi: rust | 18:31 |
| fungi | yeah, but then it won't be enterprise-grade | 18:31 |
| fungi | mix in some xml and you've got a deal | 18:31 |
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| mordred | fungi: you have to have the xml for it to be enterprise | 18:32 |
| mtreinish | fungi: heh, enterprise-grade web scale for the cloud | 18:32 |
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| mordred | Shrews: a rust rewrite of drizzle sounds like fun :) | 18:33 |
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| bdemers | is it safe to assume that the github.com/openstack-packages projects do NOT fall under the [current] umbrella of the openstack foundation ? | 18:36 |
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| fungi | bdemers: i don't know what "umbrella of the openstack foundation" means in this case | 18:38 |
| fungi | bdemers: it's not a github org under control of the community project infrastructure though | 18:39 |
| pleia2 | we also have nothing to do with the gerrithub account people are to submit patches to for this | 18:39 |
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| gema | pleia2: thanks for your review (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195868/), do I submit the change to project-config in another review request? | 18:41 |
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| bdemers | fungi: meaning are they official openstack projects | 18:41 |
| fungi | mrmartin: with your latest iteration on 172880 i'm able to deploy an ask-staging server in our infrastructure. i have a demo running at 23.253.90.67 and 2001:4800:7815:102:be76:4eff:fe05:84e for you to test out and make sure it's sane | 18:41 |
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| SpamapS | mordred: I believe 5.5.3 was around the same time as Drizzle was actively developed. | 18:42 |
| pleia2 | gema: yes | 18:42 |
| gema | pleia2: ack | 18:42 |
| bdemers | (i.e. i need to find one of the current owners) | 18:42 |
| * AJaeger waves good-bye and wishes everybody a great weekend! | 18:42 | |
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| SpamapS | mordred: March 2010 | 18:42 |
| fungi | bdemers: nope. official repos under control of project-teams recognized by the openstack technical committee can be found listed in http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/projects.yaml | 18:42 |
| pleia2 | AJaeger: have a nice weekend | 18:43 |
| fungi | bdemers: there's a rendering of that broken down by project-team as links at http://governance.openstack.org/reference/projects/index.html | 18:43 |
| bdemers | fungi: ok, thanks, i couldn’t find any of them in the projects.yaml, so i started scratching my head | 18:44 |
| fungi | bdemers: i think it's an effort operating within our ecosystem, perhaps on the fringes of our community, but not within our infrastructure and not officially governed by the project technical committee | 18:44 |
| bdemers | ok, thanks, for the info! | 18:46 |
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| asselin | can we get revies on openstack-ci https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175970/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176010/ I think these are ready to mege | 18:48 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: looking at https://jenkins02.openstack.org/job/gate-puppet-keystone-puppet-beaker-rspec-upgrade-dsvm-trusty/3/console | 18:48 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: it's weird, it looks like I need to run 'bundle install' again ? | 18:49 |
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| crinkle | EmilienM: it doesn't look like bundle install ever ran | 18:49 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: it did, the first time | 18:50 |
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| crinkle | oh, i'll click full log... | 18:51 |
| crinkle | EmilienM: what's the patch that added this job? | 18:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Arkadiy Kraminsky proposed openstack-infra/puppet-zuul: add notification for existing pidfile https://review.openstack.org/194449 | 18:53 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194293/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196129/ | 18:53 |
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| mtreinish | sdague, AJaeger: if you get a sec can you look at: https://review.openstack.org/194798 it's a simple one-liner | 18:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Add subunit2sql-graph plugin interface docs https://review.openstack.org/194316 | 18:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-infra/project-config: remove swift-dsvm-functional from blocking changes to many projects https://review.openstack.org/196085 | 18:59 |
| sdague | anteaya: hopefully that creates the -nv job correctly | 18:59 |
| sdague | thanks for the feedback there | 18:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack-infra/project-config: puppet/upgrade: re-install gems https://review.openstack.org/196187 | 18:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Gema Gomez-Solano proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Adding #openstack-tailgate IRC channel https://review.openstack.org/196188 | 19:00 |
| crinkle | EmilienM: 2015-06-26 18:34:06.957 | + git clean -x -f -d -q | 19:00 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: you can -1/+1 https://review.openstack.org/196187 | 19:00 |
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| EmilienM | oh wait | 19:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack-infra/project-config: puppet/upgrade: re-install gems https://review.openstack.org/196187 | 19:01 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: using mkdir -p is safer | 19:01 |
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| anteaya | sdague: sure | 19:02 |
| * anteaya looks | 19:02 | |
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| anteaya | sdague: looks good to me, I'll wait for jenkins | 19:04 |
| sdague | thanks | 19:06 |
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| anteaya | devananda: I would like to try silence heart nest next time I'm in seattle | 19:07 |
| devananda | anteaya: it's a delightful place to go for brunch on the weekend :) | 19:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Add migration to add indexes on common search patterns https://review.openstack.org/196194 | 19:16 |
| mtreinish | devananda: ^^^ that's the start of the stuff we were looking at last week | 19:16 |
| mtreinish | I think that does the compound indexing right | 19:16 |
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| vipul | jeblair: what's the process for moving a project from stackforge namespace to openstack in git? | 19:21 |
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| devananda | mtreinish: mostly yes. the second one looks suspect -- do you really search where the only filter is "where stop_time ..." ? | 19:22 |
| fungi | vipul: propose a change to the openstack-infra/project-config repo which makes the necessary edits, and link it at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Upcoming_Project_Renames | 19:22 |
| fungi | vipul: then we schedule the maintenance window we need to do this process http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/gerrit.html#renaming-a-project | 19:22 |
| fungi | vipul: we batch multiple rename requests together into one outage so as to reduce impact on our developer community | 19:23 |
| mtreinish | devananda: probably not, I was just going off the notes from our discussion in the email: "add indexes on time" | 19:23 |
| mtreinish | I probably should have applied reasoning on top of that :) | 19:23 |
| anteaya | devananda: sounds like a plan | 19:23 |
| devananda | mtreinish: hehe | 19:23 |
| fungi | vipul: also you'll need a corresponding change to the openstack/governance repo, updating the reference/projects.yaml file to add the repo to whatever the governing project is | 19:24 |
| devananda | mtreinish: [test_id, start_time] makes more sense than just [start_time] or [stop_time], if I recall your query patterns correctly | 19:24 |
| mtreinish | well, [start_time] is used for getting all test_runs during a time box | 19:25 |
| mtreinish | there's a graph command that does that | 19:25 |
| vipul | fungi: awesome will do. Thanks | 19:25 |
| mtreinish | but I don't think stop_time is ever used for that | 19:25 |
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| devananda | mtreinish: ah | 19:26 |
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| vipul | fungi: if i need to move 3 repos.. all related (cue, cueclient, etc.) - is that 3 separate patches or just bundle them into one | 19:40 |
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| fungi | vipul: they can all go in one patch as long as you want them moved at the same time | 19:40 |
| vipul | fungi: ok sounds good | 19:40 |
| clarkb | bwhahahaha | 19:41 |
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| clarkb | etherpad-dev is connected to mysql 5.1 | 19:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-dev/pbr: WIP: tests for wsgi_scripts support https://review.openstack.org/196203 | 19:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Cleanup web code https://review.openstack.org/190610 | 19:42 |
| clarkb | I have reenabled puppet on etherpad-dev and restarted it with the latest version of etherpad-lite which includes my pull request | 19:42 |
| clarkb | I did not change the character set because mysql is too old | 19:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Hide jobs with no failures https://review.openstack.org/190611 | 19:43 |
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| fungi | clarkb: i suppose it's a good opportunity to test dumping and reloading the db on a new trove instance | 19:46 |
| fungi | presumably we'll need to do the same for the production etherpad server as well | 19:46 |
| clarkb | ya, I likely won't get to that today too much family stuff | 19:46 |
| fungi | checking now | 19:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: puppet/upgrade: re-install gems https://review.openstack.org/196187 | 19:46 |
| fungi | totally understand that. the weekend approacheth too | 19:46 |
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| clarkb | https://etherpad-dev.openstack.org/p/clarkb-test but that appears to be working well | 19:47 |
| clarkb | so the other thing is happy | 19:47 |
| fungi | yep, both the etherpad servers are using mysql 5.1 trove instances | 19:48 |
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| fungi | also production is running over 80% full so we need a database outage for it anyway | 19:48 |
| fungi | oh! we have another opportunity here... | 19:48 |
| clarkb | the big cost is likely in the conversion itself | 19:49 |
| clarkb | so tacking on a move an grow is fine | 19:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/diskimage-builder: Add oat-client element https://review.openstack.org/192140 | 19:49 |
| fungi | "We are informing you of an upcoming maintenance where we will be performing scheduled migrations for your Cloud Databases instance in regions where your database instance(s) reside. [...] Dallas (DFW) on July 1st @ 00:01 CDT – 04:00 CDT [...] you can choose to migrate your Cloud Database instance before the scheduled migration at your convenience." | 19:49 |
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| clarkb | perfect :) | 19:50 |
| anteaya | clarkb fungi should we be exercising etherpad-dev? | 19:50 |
| clarkb | anteaya: if you like, I am not too worried about it as we were running the patch just not from upstream | 19:50 |
| anteaya | very good | 19:50 |
| fungi | clarkb: so i guess we can try to roll this into new trove instances before wednesday and that way we avoid a second production outage | 19:51 |
| clarkb | ya | 19:51 |
| clarkb | if we get -dev done by monday then we can do the prod server tuesday | 19:51 |
| fungi | and have an opportunity to not only upgrade the mysql version and solve the utf8 issue but also give the production db some more room to grow | 19:52 |
| clarkb | (its just hard for me to plan more than 2 hours in the future right now, did you know babies eat every 3 hours!? also there are two of them) | 19:52 |
| anteaya | I have been holding gus back since summit from crashing etherpad | 19:52 |
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| anteaya | he is sitting in front of me looking up utf8 4-byte characters | 19:53 |
| fungi | clarkb: so feeding every 1.5 hours on average. you get some sleep in a year or so i hear | 19:53 |
| clarkb | if gus breaks it gus buys it :P | 19:53 |
| anteaya | he he he | 19:53 |
| anteaya | you can send out for sleep | 19:53 |
| anteaya | comes in a package with a pillow | 19:53 |
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| clarkb | last night I think I got almost 4 hours of sleep | 19:54 |
| gus | afaik https://etherpad-dev.openstack.org/p/foo has been antagonised and responded politely. | 19:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Clint Adams proposed openstack-infra/zuul-packaging: Update zuul packaging for zuul 2.1.0 https://review.openstack.org/185752 | 19:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Clint Adams proposed openstack-infra/zuul-packaging: Clean up and simplify packaging https://review.openstack.org/196223 | 19:55 |
| anteaya | clarkb: yay | 19:55 |
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| fungi | clarkb: supposedly a database can be moved to a new instance using backup and restore. i'm going to see if that deploys to a new mysql version (though i doubt it will) | 19:57 |
| fungi | anyone mind if i stop apache on etherpad-dev for a bit? | 19:58 |
| clarkb | fungi: I dont | 19:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Adding #openstack-tailgate IRC channel https://review.openstack.org/196188 | 19:58 |
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| mtreinish | ^^^ what is that? | 19:59 |
| * mtreinish has an image in his head of a college football tailgate where people talk about openstack instead of football or beer | 19:59 | |
| clarkb | mtreinish: prep for fall | 19:59 |
| anteaya | fungi: no argument from gus or myself | 20:00 |
| anteaya | what is happening in the fall? | 20:01 |
| clarkb | anteaya: that is when peopl around this country tailgate every friday saturday and sunday | 20:01 |
| anteaya | that I get | 20:01 |
| anteaya | why do we need an irc channel for that? | 20:01 |
| anteaya | if I'm doing a tailgate party I'm not on irc | 20:02 |
| clarkb | I'm guessing its actually a new project? | 20:02 |
| anteaya | nor do I want to be around others who are | 20:02 |
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| anteaya | the commit message wasn't very verbose | 20:03 |
| mtreinish | clarkb, anteaya: I found this: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-tailgaters | 20:03 |
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| btully | howdy, is there a known issue with the grenade gate tests? | 20:04 |
| anteaya | so they are paralleling the refstack/projectnameblank work? | 20:04 |
| anteaya | focusing on quality | 20:04 |
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| mtreinish | anteaya: tbh I'm not quite sure | 20:06 |
| anteaya | me either | 20:06 |
| anteaya | but so far that is the impression I'm left with | 20:06 |
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| pleia2 | no meetings this afternoon if someone wants to +2/A this logging change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195868/ | 20:08 |
| * nibalizer +1's :P | 20:09 | |
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| pleia2 | :) | 20:09 |
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| harlowja | qq, is there a dashboard that shows all the servers infra is using across the various clouds (some dashboard?) | 20:13 |
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| clarkb | harlowja: http://puppetboard.openstack.org | 20:13 |
| * harlowja is about to tell people in some internal y! group about how there stuff is similar to openstack-infra stuff, and it'd be neat to show some graph | 20:13 | |
| fungi | harlowja: no graphs, sorry | 20:14 |
| harlowja | hmmm, nothing popping in/out of zuul | 20:14 |
| harlowja | np, that wil work i guess | 20:14 |
| fungi | where i assume graph means diagram of the interconnectedness and geographical aggregation | 20:14 |
| harlowja | 'Resources managed' is that like VMs spinned up/down | 20:14 |
| harlowja | fungi sorry, chart, like showing how many resources used, VMs used... | 20:15 |
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| fungi | oh, the test nodes graph perhaps is the closest we have, though that view is not broken down by provider (we do have per-provider/region counts for those but they'd need to be dug out of http://graphite.openstack.org/ ) | 20:15 |
| harlowja | np though, this will be a very-intro talk (since i'm not super-knowledgeable about it all, ha) | 20:16 |
| fungi | we have some slide presentations about stuff you can draw from too... http://docs.openstack.org/infra/publications/ | 20:16 |
| harlowja | ya | 20:16 |
| harlowja | was gonna use some of those :-P | 20:16 |
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| fungi | anteaya: clarkb: pleia2: according to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-tailgaters-people dkranz can probably translate what this means in terms relative to existing efforts (i don't recognize any of the other names in that list though) | 20:19 |
| pleia2 | fungi: vs existing qa efforts? | 20:20 |
| fungi | presumably | 20:20 |
| anteaya | fungi: thanks | 20:21 |
| mrmartin | fungi: thanks, we cannot do too much harm with staging, so if it works, open it for testing for a while, and we can decide about going for the production upgrade | 20:21 |
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| morganfainberg | fungi: is there a way to force OpenStack Proposal Bot to re-generate the requirements easily? | 20:21 |
| anteaya | to me is sounded like defcore | 20:21 |
| fungi | mrmartin: yep, i mostly wanted someone other than me to confirm it was reachable and running the things it's supposed to | 20:21 |
| fungi | morganfainberg: we can retrigger the job if it broke for some reason | 20:22 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: we've been broken in keystone for a while, and now it's merge conflicting. Was looing to see if we could just abandon and start from scratch | 20:22 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: or if i should just manually/programatically fix it | 20:22 |
| fungi | morganfainberg: it shouldn't generate a merge-conflicting patchset | 20:23 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: if it's trivial to re-run it clean i'd opt for that, but i'm ok with handling this directly | 20:23 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: things in keystone were wonky, and now it's in a conflict state | 20:23 |
| fungi | so the next time something merges to the global requirements list, in theory the new patchset it creates ought to not merge-conflict | 20:23 |
| morganfainberg | it's been pending for quite a while | 20:23 |
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| fungi | more than 2 days? | 20:24 |
| morganfainberg | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190405/ | 20:24 |
| morganfainberg | from 6-10 and due to SQL-A issues we couldn't merge it | 20:24 |
| morganfainberg | now we can... | 20:24 |
| morganfainberg | i'm working to eliminate possible odd things related to requirements and stuff that can affect keystone interacting with other projects (re: gate failures) | 20:25 |
| fungi | i wonder what it's merge-conflicting on. checking | 20:25 |
| morganfainberg | since the issue we're seeing is really baffling. i'm just trying to eliminate possible vectors that can impact grenade | 20:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config: Add #openstack-tailgate to the list of eavesdrop channels https://review.openstack.org/195868 | 20:25 |
| fungi | that doesn't look like a proper merge conflict | 20:26 |
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| morganfainberg | fungi: cherry-picking shows merge conflicting on oslo libs | 20:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack-infra/project-config: puppet: use a macro to allow root ssh connection https://review.openstack.org/196232 | 20:26 |
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| morganfainberg | we might have manually done some updates it looks like | 20:27 |
| morganfainberg | ugh | 20:27 |
| fungi | it ran tests fine when it was uploaded a couple days ago (sans a test failure), then you rechecked it and it reported a merge conflict. the merge-check pseudo-job should have spotted that whenever something changed in keystone though | 20:27 |
| * morganfainberg sighs. | 20:27 | |
| EmilienM | mordred: I did the macro ^ | 20:27 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: ahhh | 20:27 |
| morganfainberg | https://github.com/openstack/keystone/commit/9d7490f79fef596cb469b128666919880d900b17 oslo.service | 20:27 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: might be part of it | 20:27 |
| morganfainberg | and some removals | 20:28 |
| morganfainberg | this is weird though. | 20:28 |
| morganfainberg | yep oslo.service ok i can resolve it | 20:29 |
| morganfainberg | nvm | 20:29 |
| fungi | morganfainberg: anyway, there's nothing wrong with manually resolving the merge conflict on that, uploading and approving it | 20:29 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: i thought i didn't see oslo.service the first few times | 20:29 |
| morganfainberg | it's subtle :P | 20:29 |
| morganfainberg | too many oslo.xxxx things | 20:29 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: thanks! | 20:29 |
| fungi | ahh, yep looks like oslo.service was added to the requirements lists | 20:30 |
| fungi | yw | 20:30 |
| fungi | still wondering why merge-check didn't find that when the change to add oslo.service merged in keystone though | 20:30 |
| mtreinish | morganfainberg: well just make sure you don't import oslo.xxx anymore | 20:30 |
| morganfainberg | mtreinish: no this is requirements.txt stuff not import stuff | 20:30 |
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| morganfainberg | mtreinish: so packages are . named still | 20:31 |
| mtreinish | morganfainberg: I'm just kidding I realized that | 20:31 |
| morganfainberg | mtreinish: ;) | 20:31 |
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| fungi | morganfainberg: oh! this might have just been coincidental timing | 20:31 |
| morganfainberg | mtreinish: also why aren't you mriedem today? :P ¬_¬ | 20:31 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: yeah | 20:31 |
| fungi | morganfainberg: https://review.openstack.org/193732 merged ~7 minutes before you rechecked https://review.openstack.org/190405 | 20:31 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: we solved one issue and merged that at the same time | 20:32 |
| morganfainberg | yeah | 20:32 |
| morganfainberg | so... wheee | 20:32 |
| mriedem | there can be only one | 20:32 |
| mtreinish | mriedem: heh, was that a challenge to a sword fight? | 20:33 |
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| dhellmann | does gerrit being slow indicate a problem that needs poking, or do we suspect it's related to the host where gerrit is running? | 20:33 |
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| mriedem | mtreinish: only if we get to blast early 80s queen while fighting with lots of lighting | 20:34 |
| mriedem | and trench coats | 20:34 |
| mriedem | *lightning | 20:34 |
| * anteaya wants to see that | 20:35 | |
| anteaya | can this be at the nova mid-cycle? | 20:35 |
| mtreinish | mriedem: lol, yeah I think now we have to do that at the midcycle :) | 20:35 |
| morganfainberg | anteaya: you should sell tickets to it | 20:35 |
| morganfainberg | anteaya: ^_^ | 20:35 |
| fungi | clarkb: okay, confirmed the trove backup/restore route isn't going to do what we want. it creates a second trove instance under a new name running the same mysql version | 20:35 |
| anteaya | morganfainberg: I'm not organizing anything | 20:36 |
| mtreinish | fungi: there isn't a different trove command to update the mysql version? | 20:36 |
| anteaya | morganfainberg: but I will show up | 20:36 |
| mriedem | mtreinish: anteaya: i don't think i have the energy to organize all that | 20:36 |
| anteaya | morganfainberg: and might be willing to tell funny stories about it | 20:36 |
| fungi | mtreinish: oh! perhaps... reading up on troveclient now | 20:36 |
| mriedem | without it looking super ghetto | 20:36 |
| anteaya | mriedem: can we have some queen? | 20:37 |
| mriedem | pandora? | 20:37 |
| mriedem | sure | 20:37 |
| morganfainberg | anteaya: darn... at least stream it to the web for us? | 20:37 |
| anteaya | mriedem: I'll grant lightening will be a bit tough to time | 20:37 |
| anteaya | morganfainberg: irc snippets? | 20:37 |
| fungi | mriedem, he'll save every one of us | 20:37 |
| mtreinish | fungi: honestly I don't know, but I figured there might. Like the trove equiv of rebuild | 20:37 |
| morganfainberg | anteaya: hehe | 20:37 |
| mriedem | someone with video editing skillz could put the lightning in later | 20:37 |
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| anteaya | mriedem: yeah, that counts | 20:38 |
| mriedem | and a severed head i guess | 20:38 |
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| anteaya | always a good addition | 20:38 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: SlickNik might be able to give you a fast answer too | 20:39 |
| fungi | (bicycle, bicycle race!) | 20:39 |
| fungi | mtreinish: i like to rtfm | 20:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Priti Desai proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Adding new repo for security specs https://review.openstack.org/196165 | 20:39 |
| anteaya | fungi: any idea what this repo about security specs is about? | 20:40 |
| anteaya | fungi: see I would expect that to come from you or vulnerability management | 20:40 |
| fungi | anteaya: looks (based on the linked bug) like it's going to be specs for repos under the governance of the security project-team | 20:41 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: hah, I went to find an answer in the trove code, and I found this gem: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/trove/tree/trove/README | 20:42 |
| fungi | anteaya: e.g. for http://governance.openstack.org/reference/projects/security.html and some other repos which are going to get pulled in fairly soon | 20:42 |
| anteaya | I don't see the author in this gerrit group: https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/315,members | 20:43 |
| fungi | mtreinish: best readme EVAR | 20:43 |
| anteaya | or this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/347,members | 20:43 |
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| anteaya | should I be looking in another group? | 20:43 |
| mtreinish | fungi: as good as the generic cookiecutter usage one: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/os-testr/usage.html | 20:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/diskimage-builder: Have glean set hostname if a config drive exists https://review.openstack.org/196081 | 20:44 |
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| fungi | anteaya: not familiar with them, but the corresponding governance change is https://review.openstack.org/196176 so i guess if hyakuhei +1's them it's fine | 20:47 |
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| fungi | looks like he and some of the other more active security project-team members are already added as requested reviewers on the project-config change, and i've added him to the governance change just now | 20:49 |
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| anteaya | fungi: okay thanks, I commented on the patch | 20:50 |
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| fungi | yep. be aware that the vmt is just a few people who act as an autonomous subgroup of the security project-team | 20:52 |
| fungi | i lurk in the security meetings when i remember to, but am mostly disconnected from anything going on with them beyond what the vmt handles | 20:53 |
| anteaya | sure, thanks for letting me know | 20:53 |
| fungi | and places where we intersect, like requesting their input on vulnerability reports, or asking them to assist with efforts like scoring vulnerability classes, or the security.o.o site where we're going to collaborate on reorganizing some mutual documentation | 20:54 |
| anteaya | mostly I need to see that this patch is connected to other methods of communication so that those who have a stake in security can voice their awareness | 20:54 |
| anteaya | the ironic-dashboard patch surprise was surprising | 20:54 |
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| anteaya | and correct code to create a repo, for me, needs to be supported by awareness from those I consider affected | 20:55 |
| fungi | yep, the security-specs addition change owner seems to have added the security ptl, so just need to get a +1 for confirmation | 20:55 |
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| anteaya | wonderful, thank you | 20:55 |
| hogepodge | fungi: that tailgaters thing is new to me | 20:55 |
| anteaya | I can't find a security gerrit group | 20:55 |
| anteaya | hogepodge: me too | 20:55 |
| anteaya | again, surprising | 20:55 |
| hogepodge | yup, I'd like to see them at defcore meetings | 20:56 |
| fungi | anteaya: there probably isn't one (yet). most of their efforts have been unrelated to specific repos in gerrit until fairly recently (anchor, bandit, the security guide) | 20:56 |
| anteaya | hogepodge: that was what I was thinking | 20:56 |
| anteaya | hogepodge: based on their etherpad | 20:56 |
| anteaya | hogepodge: they seem to want to dupicate effort there | 20:56 |
| anteaya | fungi: ah would explain my inability to find a reference | 20:57 |
| anteaya | or list of people pertinent to the initiative | 20:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davide Guerri proposed openstack-infra/shade: Add Neutron/Nova Floating IP tests https://review.openstack.org/177036 | 21:00 |
| fungi | anteaya: right, it's sort of an alliance of subteams working on security-related efforts rather than one cohesive group | 21:00 |
| fungi | or at least that's how it started out | 21:00 |
| anteaya | fungi: thanks, glad to have the history | 21:00 |
| anteaya | so there is someone who the group considers ptl? | 21:00 |
| fungi | i expect some more cohesion as it evolves, but only just got accepted as an official project-team a month or so ago | 21:01 |
| anteaya | hyakuhei? | 21:01 |
| fungi | anteaya: yep elected and everything. listed at http://governance.openstack.org/reference/projects/security.html | 21:01 |
| anteaya | oh that helps | 21:01 |
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| anteaya | yay, a clickable archived reference | 21:01 |
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| anteaya | thank you | 21:01 |
| fungi | yw. the governance repo/site is awesome. i don't know how i ever got along before we added it | 21:02 |
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| anteaya | I looked in git | 21:02 |
| anteaya | you can make fun of me if you wish | 21:02 |
| anteaya | these out of the blue things throw me off | 21:03 |
| pleia2 | we've got documentation all over the place | 21:03 |
| fungi | anteaya: the yaml is good too | 21:03 |
| anteaya | I can stop voicing my opinion of that help | 21:03 |
| anteaya | yup okay, sorry for the noise | 21:03 |
| anteaya | I won't bother in future | 21:03 |
| fungi | thankfully the governance site is automagically rendered from the contents of the repo, so shouldn't diverge unless jobs break | 21:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack-infra/project-config: puppet/upgrade: do not reinstall Puppet https://review.openstack.org/196246 | 21:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexandre Viau proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Surveil: Enable pypy jobs https://review.openstack.org/196247 | 21:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Restrict gate-horizon-jshint to older releases. https://review.openstack.org/196250 | 21:11 |
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| harlowja | would any of infra ever be interested in talking more (in-depth?) about how openstack-infra works, maybe visiting y! sometime? (or dropping by for a tech-talk?) | 21:15 |
| * harlowja got asked that ;-P | 21:15 | |
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| harlowja | *since i can only blah-blah about it at a high level, ha | 21:16 |
| fungi | your main offices are in california, yeah? | 21:17 |
| harlowja | ya, sunnyvale (bay area) | 21:17 |
| fungi | i can think of at least a couple infra people who are in dropping-by distance of that, but i am not one of them | 21:18 |
| harlowja | :) | 21:18 |
| harlowja | something that might be useful, a team here (that has similar systems.... yes i know) is def interested | 21:18 |
| SpamapS | harlowja: sad thing is, it's probably easier for me to get to sunnyvale than pleia2 | 21:18 |
| harlowja | lol | 21:18 |
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| fungi | heh | 21:19 |
| harlowja | SpamapS my bfffffff | 21:19 |
| harlowja | u wanna drop by sometime | 21:19 |
| harlowja | lol | 21:19 |
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| SpamapS | harlowja: I could probably time it with a visit to the Sunnyvale HP office that I think may be happening in a few weeks. | 21:20 |
| harlowja | cools | 21:20 |
| fungi | if you draw a line due east from sunnyvale until you hit another ocean, that's approximately where i live | 21:20 |
| harlowja | ha | 21:20 |
| SpamapS | harlowja: otherwise I mess up our travel budgeting with all $200 of air fare and $15 of car rental.. ;) | 21:20 |
| * harlowja i get u free lunch, ha, and we call it a deal | 21:21 | |
| clarkb | dont forget Santa Clara Hilton cost | 21:21 |
| mordred | SpamapS: (and maybe morganfainberg) re: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195793 ... do we perhaps need to pass that to all of the client libs? or just glance? | 21:21 |
| harlowja | San Jose Harlowja-Hilton | 21:21 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: stay overnight/ ew. | 21:21 |
| harlowja | oh ya, best hilton ever | 21:21 |
| fungi | clarkb: you say that like it's the only hotel in santa clara | 21:21 |
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| SpamapS | fungi: its the only hotel in santa clara | 21:22 |
| fungi | heh | 21:22 |
| clarkb | fungi correct | 21:22 |
| mordred | harlowja: I'd be happy to next time I'm in the bay - but that won't be before sept at the earliest | 21:22 |
| harlowja | the Harlow-Deluxe-Hotel-Couch hilton? | 21:22 |
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| harlowja | mordred cools, either/or, def folks interested (in fact someone said 'i hope we can aspire to that CI system someday') | 21:22 |
| harlowja | ha | 21:22 |
| harlowja | *due to the level of testing, integration tests, blah blah | 21:23 |
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| mordred | SpamapS, morganfainberg: like, I thought the insecure/cacert arguments were only needed by keystone Session - but I'm guessing something in some of the client libs is setting/overriding even if we pass in a session? | 21:23 |
| harlowja | bb, moving buildings/getting food | 21:23 |
| mordred | harlowja: nice! | 21:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tarun Gattu proposed openstack-infra/nodepool: Flush file system buffers before snapshots https://review.openstack.org/196252 | 21:23 |
| mordred | harlowja: well, we've got the content on it for sure - and with jeblair and pleia2 in the bay, and everyone else easy to drop in - I betcha we can get something arranged | 21:24 |
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| pleia2 | likely just as long too | 21:26 |
| pleia2 | time-wise | 21:27 |
| pleia2 | those days are long days | 21:27 |
| SpamapS | I kind of like it. Keeps you on your toes. | 21:27 |
| SpamapS | But I wouldn't want to make a habit of it. | 21:27 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 21:27 |
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| harlowja | mordred SpamapS fungi hopefully by the time some infra folk could present those other y! folks would have read over all the things in http://docs.openstack.org/infra/publications/ anddddd they'd all have useful questions and all :-P | 21:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/requirements: Add new oslo futurist library to requirements https://review.openstack.org/195711 | 21:41 |
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| morganfainberg | mordred: yes some clients are overriding that (for compat reasons afair) | 21:47 |
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| morganfainberg | harlowja: SpamapS pleia2: is there a massive "descend on sunnyvale" planned? | 21:48 |
| morganfainberg | cause that was what i was reading | 21:48 |
| harlowja | if u guys want there to be :-P | 21:48 |
| * morganfainberg needs to book travel if there is ;) | 21:48 | |
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| harlowja | we can all be BFFs together | 21:48 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 21:48 |
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| mordred | morganfainberg: so - if I pass it to the keystone constuctor, I REALLY need to also pass it to the client constructors ... largely because *headdesk* ? | 21:48 |
| morganfainberg | mordred: i hoped we had abstracted that away for you | 21:49 |
| mordred | morganfainberg: I had too | 21:49 |
| morganfainberg | mordred: but ... maybe? | 21:49 |
| mordred | morganfainberg: well, I'm going to just keep it to that glance patch until I get a report of something else not working | 21:49 |
| morganfainberg | mordred: /me tosses this on the pile of WTF and we need to smash the change into keystoneauth | 21:49 |
| morganfainberg | mordred: yeah that should be fine. | 21:49 |
| mordred | morganfainberg: and we should probably at some point go back throguh glanceclient | 21:49 |
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| mordred | although I think glanceclient is still in the weird pile, yeah? | 21:49 |
| morganfainberg | mordred: i think the next time through glanceclient will be even more wtf this is weird | 21:50 |
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| morganfainberg | yeah glanceclient and swiftclient are problematic-ish | 21:50 |
| morganfainberg | atm | 21:50 |
| mordred | kk | 21:50 |
| morganfainberg | it might be just be glanceclient is a bit weird compared to the other clients w/ session | 21:50 |
| mordred | yah. I think swiftclient isn't terribly weird inside - it just needs a little more work | 21:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/requirements: Remove marconiclient from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/194804 | 22:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Adding SSL arguments to glance client https://review.openstack.org/195793 | 22:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Adding SSL arguments to glance client https://review.openstack.org/195793 | 22:19 |
| mordred | SpamapS: ^^ I added a test for that | 22:19 |
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| zaro | EmilienM: new version of python-jenkins was release and i just approved dependent change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189940 | 22:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: requirements: pin pbr>=0.8.2,<2.0 https://review.openstack.org/189940 | 22:47 |
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| davideagnello | hello, need a reviewer for this patch please: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195991/1 | 22:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Joe Gordon proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Revert "Add temporary non voting multinode smoke jobs" https://review.openstack.org/196274 | 22:53 |
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| bknudson | sometimes there are check-grenade-dsvm and gate-grenade-dsvm , but sometimes there's only gate-{name}-pep8 in both check & gate | 22:59 |
| bknudson | how do I know when to use one or the other? | 22:59 |
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| jeblair | bknudson: if there's a check job, use it in check, otherwise use gate. generally gate; we sometimes use check when we're trying to split up some testing on different node types, but we're not doing that right now so it's not a big deal. | 23:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Brant Knudson proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Make keystone* bandit jobs voting https://review.openstack.org/196277 | 23:05 |
| bknudson | I put the job in both the check and gate queues like the other voting jobs... cargo culting. | 23:06 |
| bknudson | should I have a template instead? | 23:07 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson: a template would make it easier long term i think. but i'd defer to the super smart -infra folks on that | 23:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark Sturdevant proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add coverage to Manila check to aid reviewers https://review.openstack.org/196283 | 23:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Mark Sturdevant proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add coverage to Manila check to aid reviewers https://review.openstack.org/196283 | 23:44 |
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| jeblair | git-fe01 and git-fe02 have been deleted | 23:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Add git0{6,7,8} to cacti https://review.openstack.org/196286 | 23:58 |
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