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| anteaya | :) | 00:00 |
| EmilienM | anteaya: I'll ping you in one hour to check :P | 00:00 |
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| fungi | ahh, i see the reason for the celeryd restarts seem to be triggered by the puppet manifest "/Stage[main]/Askbot::Site::Config/Exec[askbot-migrate]) Scheduling refresh of Service[askbot-celeryd]" | 00:04 |
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| fungi | i wonder if pages are 500'ing every time puppet agent runs on the server | 00:05 |
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| pleia2 | clarkb: if timing is similar to yesterday, looks like the oslo.versionedobjects translations job will run in about 6 hours | 00:09 |
| clarkb | pleia2 oh right its a periodic zuul job that sounds correct | 00:09 |
| pleia2 | yep | 00:09 |
| * StevenK nervous | 00:09 | |
| pleia2 | horizon will be the interesting one | 00:10 |
| pleia2 | might actually upload something! | 00:10 |
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| crinkle | greghaynes: SpamapS nodes now boot (yay) but don't dhcp; the reply makes it back to br-vlan25 but not to the tap interface, so I think something wrong with either the bridge or iptables? | 00:39 |
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| greghaynes | crinkle: what was the issue? | 00:41 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: im pretty deep in some python ATM, can help in a bit though | 00:42 |
| crinkle | greghaynes: no problem | 00:42 |
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| mordred | greghaynes: being deep in python is better than being deep in pythons | 00:43 |
| greghaynes | snakes. snakes everywhere. | 00:44 |
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| asselin | snakes here too: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-34207245 | 00:51 |
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| anteaya | fungi: awesome | 00:56 |
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| anteaya | EmilienM: I forgot the merge-check template | 00:57 |
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| anteaya | my mistake | 00:57 |
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| anteaya | asselin: ew | 00:58 |
| openstackgerrit | James Polley proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Add a test for comments in setup.cfg lines https://review.openstack.org/222425 | 00:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anita Kuno proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Creates a new repository, puppet-openstack-docs https://review.openstack.org/220555 | 01:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-dev/pbr: Support Sphinx >=1.3 new protoype and warnings https://review.openstack.org/171309 | 01:04 |
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| mordred | morgan, Shrews: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221131/ | 01:23 |
| * morgan looks at reviews | 01:23 | |
| morgan | oooooooooooo yay keystoneauth!!!11 | 01:24 |
| mordred | morgan, Shrews: just creates a keystone auth plugin in occ directly and lets ksa do the arg validation | 01:24 |
| morgan | jamielennox|away: ^ cc | 01:24 |
| * Shrews does NOT look at reviews | 01:24 | |
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| mordred | Shrews: good call | 01:24 |
| mordred | TheJulia: speaking of - I thnk I'm ok with bubbling the ksa exception because I think I'm willing to commit to ksa having and being a good interface I can commit to | 01:25 |
| morgan | ooh | 01:26 |
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| morgan | i think i see the issue with the parent patch. | 01:26 |
| morgan | ugh | 01:26 |
| mordred | TheJulia: in shade, for *client - I hide them because I want to delete *client eventually, so don't want their exceptions to be interface | 01:26 |
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| lifeless | mordred: so - I'm going to nag. pbr spec plox. (Because, it unblocks work). | 01:26 |
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| mordred | lifeless: didn't I already +1 that? | 01:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Morgan Fainberg proposed openstack/requirements: The keystoneauth1 should be floored at 1.0.0 https://review.openstack.org/222429 | 01:27 |
| lifeless | mordred: it had to be tweaked | 01:28 |
| lifeless | mordred: because .rst | 01:28 |
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| lifeless | mordred: (don't you have +2 on everything?) | 01:28 |
| mordred | lifeless: not on oslo-specs | 01:28 |
| lifeless | ah. So +1 re-added would be sufficient and appreciated | 01:28 |
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| mordred | lifeless: but I'll +1 it as a gesture if you'll +2 the patch morgan just pushed up | 01:28 |
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| mordred | lifeless: done | 01:29 |
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| lifeless | I'll certainly eyeball that patch of his right away | 01:30 |
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| dims_ | lifeless: sorry unblocked | 01:40 |
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| lifeless | dims_: wicked, thank you | 01:45 |
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| ruagair | mordred, jeblair, looking at the phabricator work now if you want too bootstrap. | 01:49 |
| * ruagair admits he left this to a poor time for other timezones. | 01:50 | |
| * fungi wonders what a timezone is | 01:50 | |
| * fungi recalls some antiquated notion of the planet's orientation relative to its nearest star | 01:51 | |
| morgan | fungi: an artificial line that has no real bearing on anything today but may have in the past had significance as to when the sun rose and set... it serves to create headaches when doing math to talk to someone :P /triestobesnarkyenoughtoconveydisdaneforthesethings | 01:51 |
| morgan | fungi: hehe | 01:51 |
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| * fungi wonders what timezone the international space station is traversing right now | 01:52 | |
| ruagair | UTC. | 01:52 |
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| morgan | ruagair: hah, i see what you did there | 01:53 |
| fungi | now where is that metric time i've been wanting? something based on planck units since the big bang would be nice | 01:53 |
| anteaya | the french had metric time for a while | 01:53 |
| morgan | fungi: what if we pick an arbitrary date and just count the seconds up from there? | 01:54 |
| fungi | we could call it a "stardate" | 01:54 |
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| morgan | fungi: oooh what a good idea. | 01:54 |
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| EmilienM | anteaya: thanks! | 01:55 |
| anteaya | EmilienM: welcome | 01:55 |
| EmilienM | anteaya: good night | 01:55 |
| anteaya | sorry I forgot the merge-check template when I rebooted the patch | 01:55 |
| anteaya | good night | 01:55 |
| fungi | morgan: i wonder if there's an offset from unix epoch time to stardates | 01:56 |
| ruagair | Can anyone point me the direction for some history on infra -> Launchpad -> Storyboard -> phabricator? Or spare a some time for a brief yarn? | 01:56 |
| morgan | fungi: probably | 01:56 |
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| mordred | ruagair: hi! | 01:56 |
| ruagair | o/ | 01:56 |
| mordred | I'm in an aeroplane, so I might be laggy | 01:57 |
| morgan | ruagair: I'd offer a snarky answer but mordred will have a better (real) answer | 01:57 |
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| mordred | ruagair: so, in the beginning, I created a project for openstack in launchpad and it was good | 01:57 |
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| ruagair | No dramas. I've just dtarted poking around the phab space and re-reading the meeting notes / wiki. | 01:57 |
| mordred | ruagair: but then, lo a snake appeared and caused there to be less full time launchpad develpeopers, and so it came to pass that launchpad ceased making forward progress as a top notch tool | 01:58 |
| fungi | (wondering which snake hired away the lp devs) | 01:58 |
| mordred | ruagair: this proceeded for generations and grandfathers sired grandsons and so on and so forth | 01:58 |
| ruagair | Was this snake th erainbo serpent? | 01:59 |
| anteaya | are you doing the bible in lego? | 01:59 |
| mordred | ruagair: until one day the pain of dealing with thenumber of projects in openstack became so great that it was put forward that a replacement should be found! | 01:59 |
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| nibalizer | fungi: the stardates from star trek aren't internally consistent, but star-trek online has a 1:1 relationship such that you can correctly turn current time into star trek online stardates | 01:59 |
| mordred | ruagair: so the knights went out on a quest to find a replacement that the kingdom might one more be whole | 01:59 |
| fungi | nibalizer: in all honesty, i'm mildly disturbed that there was an answer | 02:00 |
| timrc | I've never heard of launchpad described as a top notch tool before. | 02:00 |
| morgan | fungi: I was in the process of typing that exact thing | 02:00 |
| mordred | ruagair: safter a time, the two remaining souls sat beneath a tree and despaired of the absurdity of the situation and foresaw an endless wait for something that might not ever arrive | 02:00 |
| fungi | timrc: in the beforetime, in the long long ago, compared to trac | 02:00 |
| timrc | Aspects of it were nice. | 02:00 |
| tchaypo | If this was anyone but mordred responding I’d be thinking this was a long-winded way of saying “your question bores me and I wish to make you feel silly for asking it" | 02:01 |
| anteaya | mordred: can this be a play | 02:01 |
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| morgan | mordred: when do we get to the part about the lady of the lake tossing a sword -- or coconuts migrating? | 02:01 |
| mordred | anteaya: thank you for picking up on the last reference | 02:01 |
| nibalizer | pleia2: can tell this story with stick figures | 02:01 |
| * anteaya is thinking about the bit with hats | 02:01 | |
| tchaypo | but it’s mordred so I think it just means “I’’m on a plane and bored so I’m going to amuse myself with a longwinded answer" | 02:01 |
| pleia2 | nibalizer: ++ | 02:01 |
| tchaypo | also I’m imagining mordred giving this answer with slides | 02:01 |
| mordred | " Or spare a some time for a brief yarn?" | 02:01 |
| morgan | tchaypo: something like that | 02:01 |
| ruagair | We can do mordred's story via interpetive dance at a laser robot disco in Tokyo. | 02:01 |
| tchaypo | the slides have “shakespear” written all over them of course | 02:01 |
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| nibalizer | or beckett, or whatever | 02:02 |
| morgan | tchaypo: every slide has Shakespeare on it | 02:02 |
| fungi | i want to know where the worstcat slides factor into this presentation | 02:02 |
| morgan | nibalizer: you missed the presentation and that the last ⅓ or so of the slides all misrendered with Shakespeare overlayed on the other text | 02:02 |
| mordred | ruagair: nothing is more awful than being trapped in a room withother people, so in order to escape, we first thought about playing a nice game of football, but instead figured that someone, we'll call him Danny, could write us the issue tracker of our dreams | 02:03 |
| anteaya | the dance has to have a sprung floor | 02:03 |
| * timrc puts all of his servers into stardate time instead of UTC | 02:03 | |
| anteaya | so the japanese feet bit can be done safely | 02:03 |
| morgan | timrc: we need an official tz for that if there isn't one | 02:03 |
| clarkb | timrc just disable dst first | 02:03 |
| fungi | timrc: if only the kernel could handle any native time other than base 60/12/crazy | 02:04 |
| fungi | i'd actually give it a try | 02:04 |
| mordred | ruagair: but like a dancer who just wants to say alive, it's hard to find adequate funding for such an endeavor | 02:04 |
| mordred | hrm | 02:04 |
| mordred | I'm runing out of differnet genres to pilfer in this yarn | 02:04 |
| * ruagair nods | 02:04 | |
| * StevenK waits for mordred to switch to Riverdance | 02:04 | |
| Clint | oh dear | 02:05 |
| fungi | mordred: ooh, switch to hair metal lyrics | 02:05 |
| fungi | wait, no, please don't | 02:05 |
| mordred | ruagair: Phabricator. spawn of the devil. evil upon end. will. destroy. you. | 02:05 |
| anteaya | but it allows ux to do reviews | 02:05 |
| anteaya | so there's that | 02:05 |
| mordred | yeah | 02:05 |
| morgan | fungi: did we get any norse mythology in there? | 02:05 |
| mordred | it does that | 02:05 |
| ruagair | So both Launchpad and StoryBoard lack devs so we're evaluating using Phabricator to replace both? (or have decided to) | 02:06 |
| mordred | "evaluating" | 02:06 |
| mordred | yeah | 02:06 |
| anteaya | like thor, thor reviews images in an review tool | 02:06 |
| mordred | there aren't many other choices that are viable | 02:06 |
| fungi | four facebooks of the apocalypse bring it full circle (phabricator, maniphest, sneezy and grumpy) | 02:06 |
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| mordred | so riht now we're provisionally going to do it | 02:06 |
| mordred | unless something just falls the hell apart | 02:06 |
| ruagair | We need to discuss "viable" over beer :-) | 02:06 |
| mordred | ruagair: yah | 02:06 |
| clarkb | with ttx | 02:06 |
| mordred | it's a very good beer conversation | 02:06 |
| morgan | fungi: i think you broke me...i snorted water and almost ruined a new laptop | 02:07 |
| anteaya | morgan: ha ha ha ha | 02:07 |
| ruagair | I've come across Phabricator before, the enlightenment team use it. | 02:07 |
| morgan | mordred: moar beer convos | 02:07 |
| fungi | moar beer, less convos | 02:07 |
| morgan | fungi: that usually happens with a beer convo | 02:07 |
| anteaya | ruagair: so you're good | 02:07 |
| nibalizer | fungi: http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/stardate.php | 02:08 |
| morgan | "this is great and all, but we need more beer" | 02:08 |
| anteaya | ruagair: ready to spin one up for us? | 02:08 |
| ruagair | no fungi, the moar beer appriach why it;s taken me so long to respond. | 02:08 |
| fungi | nibalizer: now thoroughly disturbed | 02:08 |
| mordred | ruagair: wikimedia too | 02:08 |
| morgan | i... nibalizer no. just no | 02:08 |
| anteaya | it is only accurate to within 5 minutes | 02:08 |
| timrc | mordred, Hey we're implementing everything else in zuulv3 maybe we should add an issue tracker to zuul. | 02:09 |
| nibalizer | right and this is some bad code I wrote to set it up so you don't need to use their website to get stardate: https://github.com/nibalizer/gisst/blob/stardate.py-2011/stardate.py | 02:09 |
| anteaya | I need it to be accurate within fractions of seconds | 02:09 |
| morgan | anteaya: 5 minutes is within time drift... :P | 02:09 |
| anteaya | when comparing clocks with jeblair I need fractions of seconds | 02:09 |
| fungi | nibalizer: can you explain how stardates compensate for relative frames of reference and faster than light travel? | 02:09 |
| mordred | timrc: nicely played | 02:09 |
| tchaypo | what stage is our evamluation at? | 02:10 |
| pleia2 | timrc: haha | 02:10 |
| tchaypo | I believe mordred has a test instance somewhere already, right? | 02:10 |
| mordred | tchaypo: well, I did. then my hp cloud account went away | 02:10 |
| mordred | SO | 02:10 |
| mordred | we have puppet that will create one | 02:10 |
| tchaypo | but I think what we need to do now is start coding puppet to do the install so that we can spin up another instance? | 02:10 |
| ruagair | Had, I think tchaypo, if I read the meeting notes write. | 02:10 |
| nibalizer | fungi: subspace enveloping? | 02:10 |
| mordred | and I have a data migration scropt | 02:10 |
| anteaya | stage left | 02:10 |
| fungi | nibalizer: also, rhetorical question | 02:10 |
| mordred | that migrates everything from storyboard to phabricator | 02:10 |
| morgan | anteaya: stage right, even | 02:10 |
| nibalizer | :) | 02:10 |
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| mordred | which is in the puppet repo | 02:10 |
| mordred | the next step is "figure out how to run cauth in front of it" | 02:11 |
| * ruagair will get moving on spinning one up. | 02:11 | |
| mordred | which is _not_ covered in the puppet | 02:11 |
| morgan | cauth? | 02:11 |
| ruagair | tchaypo: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Phabricator | 02:11 |
| * morgan is unfamiliar with cauth | 02:11 | |
| fungi | morgan: openid module for apache | 02:11 |
| mordred | https://github.com/redhat-cip/cauth | 02:11 |
| morgan | ooh | 02:11 |
| morgan | hm | 02:12 |
| morgan | interesting | 02:12 |
| anteaya | hey can we do the japanese feet thing in japan? | 02:12 |
| mordred | this ^^ is the thing enovance wrote which can provide openid client support | 02:12 |
| anteaya | someone in tokyo must be doing it | 02:12 |
| stevemar | fungi: yay for ptl-ness | 02:12 |
| fungi | stevemar: you should run too! | 02:12 |
| mordred | phab itself does not have openid client support and is not going to get it | 02:12 |
| morgan | phabricator, is that a wsgi app at it's core? | 02:12 |
| mordred | so we'll use cauth which does | 02:13 |
| mordred | no | 02:13 |
| morgan | darn | 02:13 |
| mordred | phabricator is a php app | 02:13 |
| fungi | morgan: phabricator is php | 02:13 |
| * morgan cries a little | 02:13 | |
| * fungi shudders at even typing tat | 02:13 | |
| fungi | that | 02:13 |
| anteaya | you were shuddering | 02:13 |
| mordred | to be fair, we have a decently large amount of php running now | 02:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Clint Adams proposed openstack-infra/infra-specs: WIP - tracking of priority efforts in YAML https://review.openstack.org/219372 | 02:13 |
| pleia2 | after months of java application server, I shudder and cry less about php these days :P | 02:13 |
| morgan | sure, i was hoping it talked wsgi or scgi or fcgi | 02:13 |
| anteaya | pleia2: yay zanata running | 02:13 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: indeed! | 02:14 |
| morgan | just because we haz other awesome tech in that space | 02:14 |
| pleia2 | it's all just terrible | 02:14 |
| fungi | we should combine java and php into an abominable blasphemy against the universe | 02:14 |
| pleia2 | I hate the web | 02:14 |
| pleia2 | haha | 02:14 |
| anteaya | pleia2: ha ha ha | 02:14 |
| Clint | fungi: seconded | 02:14 |
| mordred | morgan: so, it does REMOTE_USER | 02:14 |
| mordred | or whatever | 02:14 |
| timrc | mordred, FWIW I think they staffed up on LP again. Or is it just cjwatson and wgrant? Still, not a bad pair of people to have. | 02:14 |
| tchaypo | fungi: hasn’t then been done already? | 02:14 |
| morgan | mordred: oh so yeah that's easy | 02:14 |
| anteaya | timrc: yay, good news | 02:15 |
| mordred | timrc: it's not - but there are other things like we need to move to openstackid as our SSO source | 02:15 |
| fungi | tchaypo: ancient texts tell of a civilization that tried it, but they are now at the bottom of the deep | 02:15 |
| morgan | mordred: I can probably do puppet-y things easily on the cauth side if I spend some time digging into puppet things again | 02:15 |
| mordred | so that we can get rid of CLA signing | 02:15 |
| tchaypo | fungi: http://www.infoq.com/presentations/nicholson-php-jvm | 02:15 |
| * morgan has forgotten puppet things from the last time he did them | 02:15 | |
| fungi | tchaypo: sheesh | 02:15 |
| pleia2 | tchaypo: oh dear | 02:15 |
| tchaypo | fungi: http://quercus.caucho.com/ | 02:15 |
| Clint | yay for getting rid of CLA signing | 02:15 |
| mordred | morgan: honestly, if you (or anyone) can even figure out "how does cauth run in fron of phabricator" and write a tiny doc | 02:15 |
| morgan | so this would be cauth for openstackid? | 02:15 |
| mordred | the puppet should be easy | 02:15 |
| morgan | mordred: probably could do that tomorrow. | 02:16 |
| mordred | morgan: it'll be cauth for launchpad at first | 02:16 |
| morgan | mordred: oh yuck, but sure. actually... | 02:16 |
| mordred | but then we can change _everything_ to use openstackid | 02:16 |
| morgan | hmmm | 02:16 |
| stevemar | fungi: i'll run as infra ptl :P | 02:16 |
| mordred | once we're off of launchpad | 02:16 |
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| stevemar | maybe i'll stick to keystone instead ... | 02:16 |
| anteaya | stevemar: you'll be great | 02:16 |
| anteaya | either or | 02:16 |
| fungi | stevemar: please do. then i have to find someone who isn't me to generate electoral rolls ;_ | 02:16 |
| morgan | I could probably do it as per-project if you wanted a non-big-bang openid thing | 02:16 |
| StevenK | mordred: I think cauth for openstackid would be fine ... see also translate.o.o using openstackid | 02:16 |
| morgan | fungi: I should run for PTL of infra! oh wait.... no. | 02:17 |
| mordred | StevenK: yup. totally agree | 02:17 |
| timrc | mordred, Yeah and running our own instance of LP is out of the question unless we use juju. I thought I remember someone actually investing the time in that. That would be mildly ironic. | 02:17 |
| mordred | StevenK: but gerrit uses launchpad right now, so we want phab to have the same user id concept until we switch both | 02:17 |
| stevemar | morgan: you already sent out non-candidacy, that rules you out for everything :P | 02:17 |
| StevenK | Ahh, right, yup | 02:17 |
| anteaya | I don't think we ever toyed with the idea of running our own launchpad | 02:17 |
| timrc | anteaya, You don't want too. | 02:18 |
| mordred | we discussed it briefly | 02:18 |
| morgan | anteaya: oh you probably don't want to do that | 02:18 |
| mordred | lifeless said "no, you don't want to do that" | 02:18 |
| anteaya | timrc: I don't | 02:18 |
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| * morgan looked at it briefly for a past project | 02:18 | |
| morgan | and I cringed | 02:18 |
| anteaya | yeah that was it | 02:18 |
| morgan | a lot | 02:18 |
| mordred | but, we DID discuss it | 02:18 |
| mordred | when I say we looked at ALL of the options | 02:18 |
| mordred | I really mean it | 02:18 |
| timrc | Anything derived from zope... you want to run from... fast. | 02:18 |
| anteaya | mordred: I missed that discussion | 02:18 |
| * mordred was a zoep dev for years | 02:19 | |
| mordred | anteaya: it was brief | 02:19 |
| anteaya | must have been before my time | 02:19 |
| pleia2 | I took zope off my resume because nope nope nope | 02:19 |
| * timrc slowly backs away | 02:19 | |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 02:19 |
| anteaya | but it happened | 02:19 |
| timrc | pleia2, ;) | 02:19 |
| mordred | anteaya: when the former archietect of something says "oh dear god no" you stop the discussion | 02:19 |
| fungi | zope nope nope | 02:19 |
| morgan | mordred: I assume you want bugs to be public just signing to be openid (like LP is today?) | 02:19 |
| anteaya | yup, good call | 02:19 |
| * StevenK can still remember getUtility(IPersonSet).ohDearGodMakeThePainStop | 02:19 | |
| timrc | mordred, It's okay... we all did foolish things in the 90s. I kid I kid. | 02:19 |
| mordred | morgan: yes? (I'm not sure I understand that) | 02:19 |
| fungi | i too deleted all references to php (also windows) from my resume. then at a later date i deleted my resume | 02:19 |
| mordred | timrc: :) | 02:19 |
| morgan | mordred: you could hide everything behind auth | 02:19 |
| anteaya | fungi: ha ha ha | 02:20 |
| mordred | oh - no. no need for that | 02:20 |
| mordred | public is great | 02:20 |
| morgan | i'm assuming that is not what is wanted | 02:20 |
| morgan | yeah | 02:20 |
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| mordred | creating one probably needs a login | 02:20 |
| StevenK | We may want an ability for private bugs, for example, security, but stretch goal | 02:20 |
| timrc | fungi, I converted my resume to a Word document so I could change fonts to windings. | 02:20 |
| fungi | timrc: nowadays you want to switch that to comic sans | 02:21 |
| mordred | StevenK: yes. that is a thing ttx wants, but there are a few things we're going to have to try tofigure out the best way | 02:21 |
| anteaya | resumes to troll recruiters | 02:21 |
| mordred | luckily the wikimedia fokls have been doing this for a bit too | 02:21 |
| timrc | fungi, lol | 02:21 |
| lifeless | so yeah | 02:21 |
| fungi | StevenK: private bugs (for embargoed vulnerability reports) are pretty much a day-1 requirement | 02:21 |
| lifeless | lp is not a product | 02:21 |
| StevenK | timrc: http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/38402/how-to-pick-a-specific-symbol-from-a-specific-font/38404#38404 | 02:21 |
| lifeless | is a running service | 02:21 |
| lifeless | its not engineered with release cycles etc designed to encourage running your own | 02:21 |
| lifeless | you *can* | 02:22 |
| timrc | Well. In theory at least. | 02:22 |
| mordred | lifeless: ++ | 02:22 |
| Clint | so it is claimed | 02:22 |
| lifeless | but you need dedicated resources to keep it up to date, on top of security | 02:22 |
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| morgan | StevenK: not worried about private bugs vs. non to start | 02:22 |
| morgan | StevenK: just looking at auth things | 02:22 |
| lifeless | But - if LP is viable, its totes doable | 02:22 |
| lifeless | or we could just submit patches to make it do what we need | 02:22 |
| fungi | also, not sure if the situation is still what i recall discussed on debian-devel years past, but seems like you also have to provide all your own icons because those weren't under a free license? | 02:23 |
| StevenK | fungi: Correct | 02:23 |
| StevenK | And call it something else | 02:23 |
| fungi | let's call it iceweasel | 02:23 |
| fungi | no, wait | 02:23 |
| anteaya | fungi: if you could hit this with a +2 EmilienM would be forever grateful: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220555/ | 02:23 |
| timrc | You can bzr branch lp, go get coffee, lunch, pick up your laundry, go for ice cream, call your mom, do some grocery shopping, then come back to some code on your system. | 02:23 |
| timrc | Actually if you don't want history it's pretty quick, I think. | 02:23 |
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| StevenK | Then go see all three Lord of the Rings while you wait for buildout | 02:24 |
| timrc | But even then I think I needed something like rocketfuel (am I remembering that correctly?) | 02:24 |
| anteaya | timrc: you can get a lot of stuff done | 02:24 |
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| StevenK | You don't need rf, it just really hlps | 02:24 |
| StevenK | *helps | 02:24 |
| lifeless | fungi: yes, but no worse than anything else with a tm look-and-feel | 02:24 |
| StevenK | Since lp-sourcedeps is still a thing | 02:24 |
| fungi | gotta love intellectual property law (no, really, you gotta. they'll come after you with boiling oil) | 02:25 |
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| Clint | fungi: love it to extinction | 02:26 |
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| fungi | and back again! | 02:26 |
| timrc | lifeless, Sounds like we _could_ submit patches to LP but the problem with using LP-the-service-run-by-Canonical is the CLA signing bit. | 02:26 |
| timrc | Which is something we probably wouldn't, as a project, get an exemption on. | 02:26 |
| clarkb | fungi I dont believe you ever windowsed | 02:27 |
| fungi | clarkb: it was many beers ago, in the foolishness of my youth | 02:28 |
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| anteaya | I didn't think launchpad was enforcing the CLA | 02:28 |
| timrc | But hey git code hosting :) That's pretty cool... and it's not cgit which has C generating HTML, even cooler. | 02:28 |
| fungi | clarkb: when unix sysadmin jobs were harder to come by, so i had to settle for a place that was running sco unix and windows nt 3.51 | 02:28 |
| clarkb | anteaya it did once via group membership and a db group sync script into gerrit | 02:28 |
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| lifeless | timrc: how is that a problem ? | 02:28 |
| anteaya | clarkb: ah but not anymore | 02:28 |
| clarkb | anteaya correct not today | 02:29 |
| anteaya | clarkb: great thank you | 02:29 |
| * anteaya learned some history | 02:29 | |
| clarkb | timrc whats wrong with cgit? | 02:29 |
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| fungi | anteaya: even then, the enforcement was done by people, they were merely acknowledging the enforcement by adding lp accounts to a group in lp which was then copied by scripts into gerrit | 02:30 |
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| mordred | clarkb: who do we poke for tripleo cloud tihngs? | 02:30 |
| clarkb | also I thought lp was cgutting | 02:30 |
| pleia2 | they are | 02:30 |
| clarkb | mordred dprince and derekh iirc | 02:30 |
| anteaya | fungi: ah ha | 02:30 |
| mordred | clarkb: I just looked at my graphs, and their list-servers and delete-servers times look bad like hp did a while back | 02:30 |
| mordred | so I'm going to guess they have that db problem | 02:30 |
| anteaya | mordred: I'd go with danprince myself | 02:31 |
| timrc | clarkb, This kind of thing: http://git.zx2c4.com/cgit/tree/ui-refs.c | 02:31 |
| timrc | *shudder* | 02:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Kowalik proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Stop pushing to Transifex https://review.openstack.org/222443 | 02:31 |
| fungi | anteaya: the terrible cla signing we have in gerrit now replaced even terribler cla signing we used to do with a saas called "echosign" | 02:31 |
| anteaya | fungi: ah, so our terrible cla signing is an improvement | 02:31 |
| pleia2 | timrc: according to their announcement, they are using cgit http://blog.launchpad.net/general/git-code-hosting-beta ;) | 02:31 |
| timrc | lifeless, I was just regurgitating what mordred said was one of the issues? | 02:31 |
| fungi | anteaya: barely, i suppose | 02:32 |
| timrc | pleia2, Ahhh. | 02:32 |
| pleia2 | timrc: though I will admit, the cgit support for rendering RST and things by having apache run a bash script made my head explode (and we don't use it) | 02:32 |
| lifeless | clarkb: cgutting ? | 02:32 |
| clarkb | timrc the alternatives are written in perl and java and ruby | 02:32 |
| clarkb | lifeless cgit typo | 02:32 |
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| lifeless | oh as their web viewer? Its loosely coupled, could likely change that easily enough if it mattered (and we put patches up) | 02:33 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 02:33 |
| fungi | timrc: no, other way 'round. we're planning to switch gerrit's authentication to our openstackid provider so that we can more effectively sync accounts up with foundation membership and be able to drop the current cla signing | 02:33 |
| timrc | lifeless, I don't think it actually matters... unless you have to debug something. | 02:33 |
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| anteaya | pleia2: for you https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222443/ | 02:34 |
| timrc | clarkb, It would be kind of nice if a templating engine were involved. | 02:34 |
| fungi | timrc: so wasn't about launchpad's/canonical's cla, but about dropping our need for our own cla (and only indirectly related to phabricator/maniphest in this case) | 02:34 |
| lifeless | timrc: yes so - CLA - I don't believe that to be an insurmountable issue. We're nearly all funded by long established companies with a broad coverage of the IP spectrum | 02:34 |
| StevenK | anteaya, pleia2: I am not quite sure that branch is ready to land, but I wanted to push it up to see if there was any screaming. | 02:34 |
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| lifeless | timrc: e.g. HP has signed the OpenStack CLA, and the Python PSF CLA, and so on and so forth. | 02:35 |
| anteaya | StevenK: I'm not screaming, if you don't want it to land yet, say so in a comment or workflow -1 it | 02:35 |
| pleia2 | StevenK, anteaya - I'll have a look in the AM, I'm not actually working now, just goofing off :) | 02:35 |
| anteaya | I've been trying to pay attention to your zanata patches | 02:35 |
| anteaya | pleia2: yup | 02:35 |
| lifeless | and - it would only matter and be relevant in the case where someone wants to be the person changing LP | 02:35 |
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| pleia2 | anteaya: appreciated! | 02:35 |
| anteaya | sure | 02:35 |
| StevenK | anteaya: <3 | 02:35 |
| anteaya | you've done good work here, thank you | 02:36 |
| fungi | if memory serves, getting the okay to contribute to gerrit under google's cla while i was working with hp took some managerial jumping of hoops. maybe that's better now | 02:36 |
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| lifeless | fungi: I found the right levers. | 02:36 |
| fungi | lifeless: bravo!!! | 02:36 |
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| timrc | I actually think that investing in LP seems like the easiest solution in front of us to make to do what we need. I don't know how many other people are working on LP now but cjwatson and wgrant are both very capable developers and there are a few people with LP dev experiencing working in openstack now which could be invaluable even as just reviewers of other people's code. | 02:36 |
| lifeless | fungi: I don't dispute that CLA's generate some friction | 02:36 |
| StevenK | pleia2: While you're goofing off, I'd like to run pip install on the proposal slave. If we install pyopenssl and friends, we can silence that dratted InsecurePlatform warning that comes up in any job | 02:36 |
| lifeless | fungi: I just want to separate 'CLA causes contribution friction' from 'CLA means we can't use X' | 02:36 |
| timrc | Man I should not type. | 02:36 |
| Daisy_ | pleia2: Hi. When are you going to stop the pushing to and pulling from Transifex ? | 02:37 |
| lifeless | LP has indeed staffed up again, not to its heyday, but its pretty effectively moving forward | 02:37 |
| Daisy_ | pleia2: I just want to understand your plan. | 02:37 |
| StevenK | Daisy_: I literally *just* pushed a branch to stop pushing to Transifex. | 02:37 |
| anteaya | Daisy_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222443/ | 02:37 |
| pleia2 | Daisy_: StevenK has a patch up to stop pushing that I'll review tomorrow, pulling will happen once we've finished testing to make sure zanata works | 02:37 |
| fungi | lifeless: yep, i don't think the canonical cla was really being mentioned as a reason we couldn't run our own launchpad (because, after all, we run a gerrit) | 02:38 |
| Daisy_ | Got it. Thank you. | 02:38 |
| clarkb | doesnt canonical do copyright assignment? | 02:38 |
| lifeless | mordred: is being able to run our own SSO the key factor? E.g. if LP was happy to accept semi-arbitrary OpenID's, would that remove the pressure ? | 02:38 |
| clarkb | thats more than just cla | 02:38 |
| StevenK | pleia2: Did you want me to prepare a patch that switches the whole world to -zanata, or shall we do it in steps? | 02:38 |
| timrc | fungi, No I thought mordred's comment was in direct response to using LP-as-the-Canonical-run-service and the need for us to use openstackid as SSO. | 02:38 |
| lifeless | clarkb: wendar can speak to this more than me | 02:38 |
| pleia2 | Daisy_: you're welcome, and thank you for scheduling the translations tooling session :) I'm looking forward to it | 02:38 |
| lifeless | clarkb: but I believe Canonical moved to a new thingy | 02:38 |
| timrc | lifeless, Yeah, I think that was the key factor. | 02:38 |
| clarkb | oh good | 02:39 |
| lifeless | clarkb: which is more of a regular CLA | 02:39 |
| lifeless | clarkb: there was some bruhaha around it after I left | 02:39 |
| pleia2 | StevenK: we hit the end of the week, let's propose and WIP it until AJaeger is back and get his $.02 | 02:39 |
| pleia2 | (he's back next week) | 02:39 |
| wendar | clarkb: no, canonical does copyright license | 02:39 |
| Daisy_ | pleia2: You are welcome. The session will be very interesting. I'm looking forward to it also. | 02:39 |
| wendar | clarkb: they did copyright assignment before 2010 | 02:40 |
| wendar | clarkb: but changed | 02:40 |
| StevenK | pleia2: I'd sort of like to switch the simple ones, like the python projects, and such. Then do everything else once we're happy, but I'm also happy to bow down to your wishes | 02:40 |
| mordred | lifeless: wel we don't want semi-arbitrary | 02:40 |
| fungi | timrc: right, we want to use our own openid provider for gerrit as part of the plan to stop requiring most contributors to sign the cla. we currently use launchpad as an openid provider for gerrit instead | 02:40 |
| pleia2 | StevenK: that works for me too :) | 02:40 |
| mordred | lifeless: we want everyone to SSO with openstackid | 02:40 |
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| Daisy_ | pleia2: I think, Zanata dev team will get a lot of requirements from us. :) | 02:40 |
| StevenK | Haha | 02:40 |
| pleia2 | Daisy_: I'm sure! Good thing they'll be there too | 02:41 |
| wendar | lifeless: yeah, it's a CLA, more text than OpenStack's but same general legal details | 02:41 |
| StevenK | Yup, camunoz told me he is looking forward to Tokyo when I saw him in Brisbane. | 02:41 |
| Daisy_ | pleia2: we are helping them to make Zanata more popular. | 02:41 |
| pleia2 | StevenK: the oslo.versionedobjects job will run in about 3 hours, results will land https://jenkins.openstack.org/view/All/job/oslo.versionedobjects-propose-translation-update-zanata/ | 02:41 |
| fungi | timrc: add onto that, launchpad's openid changes every time you switch e-mail addresses on your lp account | 02:41 |
| pleia2 | Daisy_: yes, they're very excited about having us go into production | 02:41 |
| lifeless | mordred: so, there's a distinction there right? a) everyone altering bugs MUST have logged in with openstackid. b) folk working on openstack ONLY REQUIRE openstackid | 02:42 |
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| lifeless | mordred: e.g. if gerrit was openstackid only, but LP accepted openstackid, would that meet our needs? | 02:42 |
| anteaya | timrc: creating multiple gerrit accounts, wooooo | 02:42 |
| lifeless | mordred: (and if not, why not - ignoring the image-review-collaboration missing features) | 02:42 |
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| lifeless | mordred: if you don't have time to rehash this now, thats fine - I'm only discussing cause my name was mentioned :) | 02:43 |
| StevenK | pleia2: Yes, let me scribble a note to check that | 02:43 |
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| mordred | lifeless: I believe that we could imagine a world in which we could only require openstackid on gerrit | 02:43 |
| lifeless | mordred: sure, but we're already running gerrit | 02:44 |
| mordred | but that would out the burden on the user for making user the two matched up - because we do want to associated things with the people | 02:44 |
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| mordred | also - the image-review-collaboration features and watnot are a big part of it | 02:44 |
| pleia2 | StevenK: time for me to EoD for real, have a good weekend, and thanks again | 02:44 |
| lifeless | mordred: I'm not sure (just technical ignorance I guess) why that puts a burden on the user (beyond log into LP once with openstackid) | 02:44 |
| fungi | right now we do some pretty convoluted stuff to try and figure out who to assign bugs to when they push changed to gerrit claiming to address said bugs | 02:44 |
| StevenK | pleia2: *hugs* have a good night | 02:44 |
| mordred | I didn't list that earlier - but basically "launchpad isn't really getting better at a pace that is acceptable" | 02:45 |
| pleia2 | StevenK: hugs! thanks | 02:45 |
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| timrc | fungi, Hm, I didn't think about that last thing. That sucks. | 02:45 |
| anteaya | pleia2: me too, g'night | 02:45 |
| lifeless | mordred: yeah - the missing features are a big genuine thing IMO | 02:45 |
| mordred | lifeless: you have to communicate to the user base to do that | 02:45 |
| timrc | I thought you could associate multiple e-mail addresses with the same account. | 02:45 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: good night | 02:45 |
| lifeless | mordred: I could imagine a url that does that, presented on sign in if it hasn't been done | 02:45 |
| mordred | it's worth noting the number of support requests we get from folks consued by our current captive SSO | 02:45 |
| clarkb | pleia2 StevenK we might even switch everything tomorrow if tonights jobs succeed then manually trigger the ones we are worried about | 02:46 |
| fungi | timrc: what we've seen in the past is that you can associate multiple e-mail addresses with you lp account, but depending on which one you give it when you log in, a different openid url is generated | 02:46 |
| lifeless | fungi: thats measurement error | 02:46 |
| StevenK | clarkb: I'd like to avoid doing so over APAC weekend, WBH | 02:46 |
| StevenK | *TBH | 02:46 |
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| clarkb | oh right its your friday | 02:46 |
| lifeless | fungi: (long story - but its due to LP having moved from being an IdP to an IdC with IdP proxying | 02:46 |
| clarkb | nevermind :) | 02:46 |
| StevenK | clarkb: It is, yes :-) | 02:47 |
| lifeless | fungi: and its all terrible and we can't have nice things and why oh why do we want openstackid and and and and and | 02:47 |
| StevenK | clarkb: I will prepare the branches at least, and push them up | 02:47 |
| clarkb | I know these things asmy parents live a few thousand miles/kilometers north of you | 02:47 |
| mordred | lifeless: long story short - although there are technical specifics that we could dig in to - I believe in the interim period while we've been looking at options we've lost confidence in launchpad | 02:47 |
| timrc | I think we just need to log into all our services with Facebook. *submits patch to gerrit and launchpad* | 02:47 |
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| mordred | clarkb: we might need to disable timrc's accounts, he's clearly altered | 02:48 |
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| fungi | timrc: you joke, but that's trystack's current authentication mechanism | 02:48 |
| StevenK | timrc: *STAB* | 02:48 |
| * timrc cackles | 02:48 | |
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| mordred | also, we'd lose contributions from jeblair | 02:48 |
| mordred | which I think is a bad thing | 02:48 |
| clarkb | and me! | 02:48 |
| mordred | and fungi probably | 02:48 |
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| fungi | trystack's keystone is literally authenticating people against a facebook group | 02:49 |
| lifeless | mordred: fair enough. the thing I don't really understand is why: we've done zero in the way of contributing improvements | 02:49 |
| clarkb | people are still mad that no baby pictures are on facebook | 02:49 |
| nibalizer | fungi: you're joking! | 02:49 |
| timrc | fungi, Wait what? | 02:49 |
| StevenK | clarkb: Hahahaha | 02:49 |
| mordred | lifeless: ttx worked on patches for it | 02:49 |
| lifeless | mordred: and yet its madly aligned with [most of] our philosophy and needs | 02:49 |
| lifeless | mordred: clearly I'm underinformed :) | 02:49 |
| mordred | lifeless: he lists that experience in is list of why going our own route is desirable | 02:49 |
| mordred | lifeless: his take was "you physically can submit patches, but the burden is GIANT" | 02:49 |
| lifeless | ttx: ^ can you expand on that sometime? Or point me at a blog or something :) | 02:49 |
| mordred | lifeless: I believe ttx contributed most of the REST API support for blueprints or something like that | 02:50 |
| mordred | because there was zero | 02:50 |
| mordred | or something | 02:50 |
| timrc | clarkb, I had a friend post a ultrasound with something like "We didn't expect this" and people spammed it with comments of congratulations but really he went in because he had a kidney stone. | 02:50 |
| * fungi waits for rant about blueprints being a non-feature of lp | 02:50 | |
| lifeless | mordred: he contributed a couple of missing bits | 02:50 |
| StevenK | timrc: Bwahahaha | 02:50 |
| clarkb | timrc and found out he was pregnant? wow :) | 02:50 |
| lifeless | mordred: but that was yyyyyears ago | 02:50 |
| timrc | clarkb, Yeah man. Keep Austin Weird. | 02:51 |
| lifeless | fungi: causes. Enough said. | 02:51 |
| timrc | Which by the way I think Portland stole from us. | 02:51 |
| clarkb | timrc its true | 02:51 |
| nibalizer | pdx represent | 02:51 |
| lifeless | maybe I should start a agile project dev startup | 02:51 |
| mordred | that guy in austin is really pissed off other people say that, btw | 02:51 |
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| clarkb | timrc and you have better bbq but our beer is best | 02:51 |
| fungi | timrc: they'll give it back, but it's sort of wet and sticky now | 02:51 |
| timrc | clarkb, We shall see soon if that's true. | 02:52 |
| timrc | clarkb, Austin is moving behind microbrews. It's all about micro distilling now. | 02:52 |
| clarkb | I may be biased but in all my travels portland beer is still best. though german beer gardens beat anything of the sort here | 02:52 |
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| fungi | portland needs to turn a few city parks into proper biergartens | 02:53 |
| clarkb | timrc ya thats happening a bit here too, lots of vodka and gin and rum and the occasional whiskey and absinthe | 02:53 |
| mordred | clarkb: german beergartens ftw | 02:53 |
| timrc | clarkb, Really... I really enjoyed Carlsberg when I went to Denmark. | 02:53 |
| timrc | mancdaz, I'm trolling hard tonight. | 02:53 |
| timrc | erm... tab-complete error. | 02:54 |
| timrc | man* | 02:54 |
| clarkb | I wont claim our spirits are great though the orwgon gin I bought needs a new owner | 02:54 |
| fungi | sad thing is, carlsberg was about the most tolerable beer i could find in paris | 02:54 |
| clarkb | greghaynes ^ remind me saturday you can have it | 02:54 |
| timrc | clarkb, Our spirits are not great either... no one actually drinks titos without mixing it... ice tea seems to be a popular choice. | 02:54 |
| clarkb | mordred sun hedgetrimmer is great though | 02:54 |
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| dstufft | federated auth is kinda crummy, SSO is better. I wish I could kill federated auth on PyPI | 02:55 |
| fungi | dstufft: you mean you don't like chasing google's arbitrary auth decisions? | 02:55 |
| dstufft | pretty sure anyone who authed with google is just unable to login right now | 02:56 |
| dstufft | to PyPI | 02:56 |
| fungi | "so and so third party changed their auth, now you need to support it or users who created accounts that way can't log in any more" | 02:56 |
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| dstufft | federated auth makes a lot more sense for small one off sites where there isn't a strong incentive to create an account | 02:56 |
| clarkb | mordred gronkowski should be forced to play with blinders and lead weights on to make this game more fair | 02:57 |
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| mordred | clarkb: we do not, it turns out, have live tv on this plane | 02:57 |
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| timrc | fungi, Yeah it's true. I've been places where Carlsberg was the best option... or the European Budweiser. We're definitely spoiled in North America when it comes to beer. | 02:58 |
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| fungi | mordred: ask if they've got a pair of rabbit ears you can plug in | 02:58 |
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| clarkb | fungi that is how I am watching | 02:58 |
| mordred | timrc: it's like coffee - we had the worst stuff and europe was way better, then we, well, then that changed by a WIDE margin | 02:58 |
| clarkb | you get better quality than cable due to less compression | 02:58 |
| mordred | timrc: although in some places in europe I can finally start to get drinkable coffee now - it's totally hit and miss though - and certainly not anywhere smallish | 02:59 |
| clarkb | mordred europes tea is still better than ours | 03:00 |
| clarkb | and hong kong tea was amazing | 03:00 |
| mordred | clarkb: yup. by a wide margin I tnk | 03:00 |
| * fungi bets japan's tea could beat it senseless | 03:00 | |
| clarkb | but its green | 03:00 |
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| clarkb | I prefer black teas | 03:00 |
| fungi | i am quite fond of ocha | 03:00 |
| timrc | Was never much of a tea drinker, but maybe I should be when I travel abroad because yeah... coffee not great. | 03:01 |
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| timrc | And I really don't like to doctor coffee with cream or sugar. If I find myself needing to do that, I feel ashamed. | 03:01 |
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| timrc | That's no way to live. | 03:01 |
| clarkb | timrc fungi drinks this instant starbucks stuff | 03:01 |
| clarkb | when traveling | 03:01 |
| fungi | well, in a pinch i do | 03:02 |
| fungi | i keep it in my pack as a fallback | 03:02 |
| * mordred has travelled with a french press before | 03:02 | |
| timrc | fungi, Not a bad idea. | 03:02 |
| clarkb | I know this because larissa drinks the same stuff | 03:02 |
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| mordred | stewart smith travels with a hand grinder and an aeropress | 03:02 |
| clarkb | wow | 03:02 |
| fungi | i find it tastes terrible, and is still better than not having any coffee at all | 03:02 |
| timrc | mordred, I switched to a Chemex which would be a bit harder to travel with but way easier to clean. | 03:02 |
| mordred | I'm tempted to start | 03:02 |
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| mordred | timrc: actually - french press is super easy | 03:03 |
| clarkb | this is why I dont drink coffee | 03:03 |
| clarkb | I can never be disappointed | 03:03 |
| mordred | timrc: dump grounds in toilet - flush | 03:03 |
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| timrc | mordred, Yeah but you have to clean the plunger. That's work. | 03:03 |
| clarkb | and tea is better everywhere else so win | 03:03 |
| mordred | timrc: indeed | 03:03 |
| StevenK | clarkb: \o/ re: tea | 03:03 |
| fungi | at home i buy my beans already roasted because i'm not a freak like some of my friends, but i do at least grind it very coarse and cold-brew it for 24 hours in large french presses | 03:03 |
| greghaynes | I thought the pdx equiv of keep austin wierd was 'make portland normal' | 03:03 |
| * timrc pictures StevenK sprinkling Vegemite in his tea. | 03:03 | |
| * greghaynes is behind on scrollback | 03:04 | |
| StevenK | timrc: Heathen! Vegemite is for toast, not tea | 03:04 |
| fungi | StevenK: it's a poor substitute for marmite though | 03:04 |
| clarkb | if it is cool and rainy in tokyo we all need to eat ramen every day | 03:04 |
| clarkb | then see how many different tyoes you can eat | 03:05 |
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| * fungi eats all the typos | 03:05 | |
| clarkb | greghaynes you can suffer the gluten | 03:05 |
| fungi | especially tonkotsu | 03:06 |
| greghaynes | re: earlier duscussion - Isnt openstackid a bunch of php that very few folks know anything about? | 03:06 |
| fungi | not to be confused with tonkatsu, which is not something you would expect out of ramen | 03:06 |
| clarkb | its a bunch of php that is on our gerrit | 03:06 |
| clarkb | with docs | 03:07 |
| clarkb | fungi but also tasty as its basically weiner schnitzel | 03:07 |
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| fungi | clarkb: but does not stay crunchy in milk^Wdashi | 03:07 |
| fungi | greghaynes: and also which i need help getting puppet updated to deploy safely on trusty | 03:08 |
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| greghaynes | heh | 03:08 |
| fungi | i promised to work on that today, and then all sorts of other things got in the way | 03:08 |
| fungi | so slated for tomorrow morning, assuming i get to sleep at some point | 03:09 |
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| fungi | which i guess i will get to now. night, all | 03:11 |
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| clarkb | good night | 03:12 |
| greghaynes | gn | 03:13 |
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| lifeless | dstufft: I still disagree with you on that :). | 03:56 |
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| dstufft | lifeless: I was waiting for you to say that :) | 04:00 |
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| lifeless | dstufft: I wouldn't want to give you a headache. (Have you read terry pratchett?) | 04:01 |
| dstufft | Nope | 04:01 |
| lifeless | ah | 04:01 |
| lifeless | so in one of the books | 04:01 |
| lifeless | there's a fortune teller | 04:02 |
| lifeless | other character walks in, but the seer keeps cutting their sentences off | 04:02 |
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| lifeless | then, says 'come on deary, say it, you'll give me a headache if you don't actually ask the question' | 04:02 |
| lifeless | when the other character starts to withhold a question that the seer just answered | 04:03 |
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| Clint | mrs. cake | 04:05 |
| dstufft | ah | 04:05 |
| StevenK | http://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Evadne_Cake | 04:06 |
| Clint | spoilers | 04:07 |
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| ttx | lifeless: yeah, I only added API access to some bits I needed for my scripts (like the series goal). APi coverage for blueprint was pretty minimal | 07:15 |
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| lifeless | ttx: that was my recollection :) | 07:18 |
| lifeless | ttx: but more interesting to me | 07:18 |
| lifeless | ttx: is the difficulty you were reporting | 07:18 |
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| KanagarajM | fungi: Hi, I am looking for help for the problem i'm facing with my gerrit name change, could you please help me ? | 09:28 |
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| KanagarajM | looks fungi is away, Could anyone please help me here ? | 09:35 |
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| mrmartin | KanagarajM: hi, fungi used to be available in US timezone | 10:06 |
| KanagarajM | mrmartin: sure. thanks. could you please let me know if anyone available now from gerrit core team ? | 10:07 |
| mrmartin | the infra is mainly US based | 10:07 |
| KanagarajM | mrmartin: sure. thanks. | 10:08 |
| mrmartin | I guess SergeyLukjanov is the only member from EU, but he even used to be in the states :) | 10:09 |
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| KanagarajM | mrmartin: yes, i tried to ping, but status was away .... i will wait for another 4 hours and try to ping them | 10:14 |
| mrmartin | I'm a great supporter of setting up an EU team for infra, but it is a very slow process... | 10:15 |
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| teran | Hi folks | 10:32 |
| teran | Could you please review https://review.openstack.org/218224 and https://review.openstack.org/218228 | 10:32 |
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| jasondotstar | clarkb: ping | 11:42 |
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| TheJulia | mordred: That was my understanding of your intent, so sounds good :) | 12:32 |
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| leseb_ | fungi: mordred could you please have a look at this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188768/ thanks in advance! | 13:28 |
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| anteaya | I also would not sign into anything with facebook | 13:39 |
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| anteaya | yolanda: was there a reason you chose not to workflow +1 this patch? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219388/ | 13:58 |
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| anteaya | mriedem and mtreinish I draw this stable/kilo patch to your attention: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219091/ | 14:00 |
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| mriedem | anteaya: is that keystoneauth-saml2 one correct? | 14:03 |
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| anteaya | morgan says it is | 14:05 |
| anteaya | and +1'd the patch | 14:05 |
| anteaya | that is what I am going by | 14:05 |
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| anteaya | since I asked him what the correct path should be when I made the patch | 14:05 |
| anteaya | because I didn't know either | 14:06 |
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| anteaya | ah I'm wrong | 14:08 |
| anteaya | thanks will fix | 14:08 |
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| pc_m | anteaya: hi | 14:09 |
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| anteaya | pc_m: how are you today? | 14:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Anita Kuno proposed openstack/requirements: Updates moved project paths https://review.openstack.org/219091 | 14:11 |
| pc_m | anteaya: Great. Happy Friday! | 14:11 |
| anteaya | and to you | 14:12 |
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| pc_m | anteaya: Need some help in getting review of a commit. We discussed it before, and infra would like Doug and other neutron cores to review first. Have their review, and would like to request infra review. | 14:13 |
| fungi | mriedem: a week ago you commented on the ml that elastic-recheck didn't seem to be commenting on changes (at the time it was suspected to be performance issues pushing the response time past our configured sla). does it seem to be working normally now or do i need to look into it? | 14:13 |
| anteaya | pc_m: well the thing with reviews is we do as many as we can | 14:13 |
| anteaya | then folks ask in channel for reviews, because they feel they are important | 14:14 |
| yolanda | anteaya, i'm not normally approving on my timezone because there are no infra roots available | 14:14 |
| mriedem | fungi: it's been commenting this week | 14:14 |
| yolanda | i'm normally waiting for another core in US time | 14:14 |
| anteaya | then people think the only way to get code reviewed is to ask in channel, so the channel because flooded wtih review requests | 14:14 |
| fungi | mriedem: cool. then i can work on something else on my to do list. thanks! | 14:14 |
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| anteaya | which then get ignored otherwise we can't get critical work done | 14:14 |
| anteaya | I'm sure its the same in -neutron | 14:14 |
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| pc_m | anteaya: OK understood. | 14:15 |
| anteaya | yolanda: ah okay, that is fair thanks | 14:15 |
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| anteaya | pc_m: thanks for talking to me about it, and thanks for getting a neutron review on it, that helps | 14:15 |
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| anteaya | mriedem: thanks | 14:16 |
| pc_m | anteaya: Trying to push for this one, because it will allow us to re-enable VPN tests in neutron-client, and that will allow us to then add tests for new changes being done in neutron client (so two commits depending on it). | 14:17 |
| anteaya | yup I get it | 14:18 |
| pc_m | will patiently hang in there | 14:19 |
| anteaya | pc_m: thank you | 14:20 |
| fungi | etherpad is still looking good this morning, though i haven't yet observed it exceed the old connection limit | 14:20 |
| anteaya | fungi: yay | 14:20 |
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| anteaya | yolanda: have you time to discuss where we are with reducing the amount of apache logs gerrit is carrying? | 14:20 |
| fungi | ran the final batch of contributor invites for the summit last night. we had 110 new contributors to official projects in the span of 2 weeks | 14:20 |
| anteaya | all those typos to fix | 14:21 |
| mtreinish | anteaya: I'll trade you for: https://review.openstack.org/221967 | 14:21 |
| fungi | anteaya: these days it's all about fixing capitalization and whitespace! | 14:21 |
| anteaya | mtreinish: /me reviews | 14:21 |
| anteaya | fungi: we need things tidy | 14:21 |
| * fungi can't figure out why it's called "white" space since it's black in his terminals | 14:21 | |
| ogelbukh | fungi: good morning sir | 14:22 |
| fungi | ogelbukh: what's broken? | 14:22 |
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| ogelbukh | fungi: just wanted to ask about our small problem with desync repo | 14:22 |
| fungi | ogelbukh: i have no idea what desync is but please ask anyway | 14:23 |
| fungi | presumably i can infer it from context | 14:23 |
| ogelbukh | stackforge/fuel-octane - I asked if you could make push from github.com/Mirantis/octane.git as we've failed to switch to development in stackforge in time | 14:24 |
| ogelbukh | and you suggested you might have time this week to take a look at it | 14:24 |
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| fungi | ogelbukh: ahh, yes i haven't had time yet. we've had a lot of stuff breaking, still recovering from the feature freeze rush, and have maintenance scheduled today | 14:25 |
| anteaya | mtreinish: I don't know | 14:26 |
| anteaya | mtreinish: should it be a cherry pick? | 14:26 |
| fungi | ogelbukh: it's still on my radar but if you get a chance to submit the missing changes through review instead it might be done sooner | 14:26 |
| ogelbukh | fungi: ok, good, nevermind then, we'll try to handle that ourselves | 14:26 |
| ogelbukh | fungi: thank you! | 14:26 |
| fungi | ogelbukh: you're welcome! | 14:27 |
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| anteaya | another happy customer | 14:27 |
| anteaya | well done fungi | 14:27 |
| ogelbukh | :) | 14:27 |
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| mtreinish | anteaya: well I don't know if all of those projects existed back in juno | 14:28 |
| mtreinish | but I know some did | 14:28 |
| mtreinish | it also only matters if said projects have a stable branch | 14:28 |
| mtreinish | anteaya: I think we're probably fine waiting to see if anyone complains before we EOL juno | 14:28 |
| anteaya | which is in about 6 weeks I think | 14:29 |
| * anteaya is fine with that | 14:29 | |
| mtreinish | anteaya: welcome to my approach to handling stable. "It's broken, meh lets just wait until someone else actually notices. Hopefully we'll delete it before that happens." | 14:30 |
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| mtreinish | it works pretty well :) | 14:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Ensure present with specific etherpad commit https://review.openstack.org/222631 | 14:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Ensure present with specific etherpad commit https://review.openstack.org/222631 | 14:34 |
| fungi | just realized that could be even simpler | 14:34 |
| anteaya | mtreinish: its a style | 14:34 |
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| clarkb | fungi ensure present wont update the repo | 14:34 |
| clarkb | hrm | 14:34 |
| anteaya | pc_m: you do write great commit messages, thank you | 14:34 |
| anteaya | morning clarkb | 14:34 |
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| fungi | clarkb: it won't? ensure=>latest seems to always update the repo even when the commit is the same | 14:35 |
| fungi | or, rather, act like it always updated the repo | 14:35 |
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| fungi | unless you're using a branch | 14:35 |
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| clarkb | ya it will the first time the repo is cloned but if you vhange the ref later in puppet it doesnt change the repo | 14:36 |
| fungi | clarkb: perhaps it's a bug in vcsrepo's handling of git commit ids as the revision? | 14:36 |
| clarkb | thats why I switched to latest | 14:36 |
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| clarkb | present is basically does repo exist not is ref checked out | 14:37 |
| clarkb | if we want to ruby we can likely fix it | 14:37 |
| fungi | unfortunately with latest it seems to want to update from present to latest every time it runs | 14:37 |
| fungi | rather than realizing it's the same end state | 14:38 |
| fungi | in puppet-askbot we're subscribing execs to a vcsrepo object and the install scripts are being retriggered every time puppet runs | 14:38 |
| fungi | which i think is what's been causing the 5xx errors people are reporting | 14:39 |
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| clarkb | I see | 14:39 |
| fungi | anyway, i'll abandon the ensure change for now | 14:39 |
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| clarkb | we should double check this behavior but I am positive that is why etherpad is set to latest | 14:40 |
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| fungi | testing now | 14:40 |
| clarkb | to fix askbot we could add onlyifs to the execs | 14:41 |
| mtreinish | timothyb89: did we ever get anywhere with the patch to add stackviz into gerrit? | 14:41 |
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| clarkb | that check yhe git repo refs | 14:41 |
| clarkb | then go figure out how to fix the ruby | 14:41 |
| pc_m | anteaya: thanks | 14:43 |
| pc_m | anteaya: Thank you for the review! Appreciate the extra time, as everyone is crunching for the release. | 14:43 |
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| clarkb | anteaya we have an etherpad for today's renames? have a link handy? /me prepares to make that the days work | 14:45 |
| anteaya | pc_m: thanks for your understanding | 14:45 |
| anteaya | clarkb: yes, I'll get that for you | 14:45 |
| fungi | clarkb: yargh. if i pass --environment=fungi to the puppet agent command it seems to not update the vcsrepo at all regardless of whether i have it set to present or latest. this is infuriating | 14:45 |
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| anteaya | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/project-renames-Septemeber-2015 | 14:45 |
| clarkb | anteaya danke | 14:46 |
| clarkb | fungi huh | 14:46 |
| anteaya | clarkb: welcome | 14:46 |
| fungi | makes testing nontrivial | 14:46 |
| anteaya | clarkb: feel like assessing the status of the mordred ansible patch? | 14:46 |
| anteaya | clarkb: I'm not feeling confident it will be usable when we need it | 14:46 |
| clarkb | anteaya did he push a new patchset? | 14:47 |
| anteaya | no | 14:47 |
| clarkb | I know he said there were problems in the one that eas there tuesday | 14:47 |
| anteaya | and jasondotstar asked some questions but I don't see any code as a consequence | 14:47 |
| clarkb | I can look to see if they are apparent to me | 14:47 |
| Clint | like the merge conflict markers | 14:47 |
| anteaya | which I understand as renaming projects is hard to get a handle on in a week | 14:47 |
| anteaya | clarkb: thanks | 14:48 |
| jasondotstar | clarkb: had a question for you | 14:48 |
| jasondotstar | on that topic | 14:48 |
| fungi | i can just manually orchestrate again today. mostly it would have been nice to have a dry run of the ansible before october's big maintenance | 14:48 |
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| jasondotstar | clarkb: do we know if github supports transfers yet ? | 14:49 |
| anteaya | clarkb: as for the patches, all the ones I knew about last night seem good to go | 14:49 |
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| fungi | jasondotstar: it does. we've done quite a few of them | 14:49 |
| clarkb | they dont | 14:49 |
| anteaya | I'll check the wikipage for straglers | 14:49 |
| clarkb | sorry not via the api | 14:49 |
| clarkb | via web ui sure | 14:49 |
| jasondotstar | clarkb: ok | 14:49 |
| anteaya | fungi: agreed | 14:49 |
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| clarkb | you can do renames within an org through the api though | 14:49 |
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| jasondotstar | re: ansible work, I'm still working on the playbooks | 14:49 |
| clarkb | there is an open bug against the github project to support transfers through the api | 14:50 |
| jasondotstar | so... should be ready prior to the oct stuff | 14:50 |
| clarkb | but hasnt seen traction in forever | 14:50 |
| fungi | right, github supports transfers via mechanical turk | 14:50 |
| jasondotstar | fungi: ^ | 14:50 |
| clarkb | so we shouldnt bother trying to use ansible todaym | 14:50 |
| anteaya | nothing new on the wikipage | 14:51 |
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| clarkb | how much more work atop what mordred had is there? the db ya? | 14:51 |
| jasondotstar | yes | 14:51 |
| jasondotstar | the db | 14:51 |
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| jasondotstar | and stop/starting svcs | 14:51 |
| jasondotstar | pre and post stuff | 14:51 |
| clarkb | ok so probably best to not try and cram that through in 9 hours | 14:51 |
| jasondotstar | clarkb: +` | 14:51 |
| jasondotstar | +1 | 14:51 |
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| yolanda | anteaya, i'm on holiday today, it's a bank holiday here, can we move to monday? | 14:52 |
| EmilienM | hello infra, puppet group has two new repo requests: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220555/ and https://review.openstack.org/222289 - thanks! | 14:52 |
| clarkb | oh and probably group renames in gerrit too | 14:53 |
| fungi | yep | 14:53 |
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| fungi | those are a thing, but at least there's an api for that | 14:53 |
| clarkb | a few thibgs that maybe we should take time and test on review-dev | 14:53 |
| anteaya | yolanda: sure, I'll be on Colorado time on Monday, enjoy your holiday, sorry to disturb | 14:53 |
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| fungi | also i should extent the maintenance procedure to remind us to rename projects in the requirements repo's projects.txt file too | 14:54 |
| fungi | er, extend | 14:54 |
| fungi | doing that now. we always seem to forget until after | 14:54 |
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| jasondotstar | clarkb: yes, i was going to ask abt that | 14:54 |
| fungi | and it needs to happen on all branches | 14:54 |
| jasondotstar | doign a test run | 14:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Bruno Tavares proposed openstack-infra/puppet-cgit: Fix loadbalancer manifest to be able to apply. https://review.openstack.org/222624 | 14:55 |
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| jasondotstar | b/c I have no way of really validating any of the new playbook stuff i write | 14:55 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: all patches have a clean run from jenkins in the last 24 hours, a +2 from me and a -2 from fungi to hold them from merging | 14:55 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: when you look at them confirm my gerrit group changes on the etherpad catches all group changes, if you could | 14:55 |
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| fungi | anteaya: thanks! as soon as i do this documentation update i'll get to work on fleshing out the maintenance plan | 14:56 |
| anteaya | I was going to rebase them all when we call merge freeze on project-config | 14:56 |
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| anteaya | fungi: sounds good, thank you | 14:56 |
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| clarkb | anteaya can do | 14:57 |
| anteaya | I'm thinking merge freeze 3 hours before gerrit downtime, so 2000 utc should be enough to get them rebased, fix any merge errors if any and get them through check again before gerrit goes down | 14:57 |
| anteaya | clarkb: thanks | 14:57 |
| clarkb | jasondotstar we can use review dev foe the gerrit things | 14:57 |
| anteaya | should I post a reminder to the mailing list? | 14:57 |
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| jasondotstar | clarkb: is that something I can try or will i need root xs? | 14:58 |
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| clarkb | it will still need root | 14:58 |
| jasondotstar | clarkb: ok | 14:58 |
| clarkb | if you want your own testbed you could spin up a local gerrit | 14:58 |
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| jasondotstar | +1 yeah that was next on my list | 14:58 |
| clarkb | in theory our puppet mostly works for thst | 14:59 |
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| anteaya | I'll post a reminder to the mailing list | 15:00 |
| anteaya | I'll also call for merge freeze on project-config at 2000 utc until after gerrit is back up | 15:00 |
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| anteaya | say stop if you have comments on my plan | 15:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Marton Kiss proposed openstack-infra/puppet-askbot: Fix vcsrepo refresh trigger on non-branch repository https://review.openstack.org/222653 | 15:02 |
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| mrmartin | fungi: ^^ this change will solve the problem of ask.o.o refresh | 15:02 |
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| clarkb | mrmartin see earlier discussion | 15:03 |
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| clarkb | that wont actually update the repo after the furst puppet run if you change the ref | 15:03 |
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| mrmartin | clarkb: so it means, if I set it to present, then refresh will never-ever invoked? | 15:04 |
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| clarkb | mrmartin probably a worthwhile temporary workaround but we need a better long term fix | 15:04 |
| fungi | mrmartin: oops, sorry i _just_ sent you a reply on our e-mail thread and cc'd clark | 15:04 |
| mrmartin | no problem | 15:04 |
| clarkb | not after the very first puppet run, correct | 15:04 |
| mrmartin | so then it is a bug in vcsrepo | 15:05 |
| clarkb | yes | 15:05 |
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| mrmartin | I'm going to check vcsrepo's source code to determine what the heck happens there. | 15:06 |
| clarkb | ok let me know what you find | 15:06 |
| mrmartin | this part is not well documented in vcsrepo doc on puppetforge | 15:07 |
| fungi | mrmartin: oh, well also remember we're using an old fork at https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-vcsrepo because vcsrepo's goals were different than our needs | 15:07 |
| fungi | mrmartin: it's possible that they already solved it upstream in a later version and that we can simply lift their solution | 15:08 |
| mrmartin | I'm always wonder how the mankind could send people to the moon. Maybe they were just lucky. | 15:08 |
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| clarkb | mrmartin iirc the lander had a really good watchdog | 15:08 |
| mrmartin | fungi: ok no problem, I'm checking the source codes. | 15:09 |
| fungi | the apollo guidance computer had a 16-bit bus and 1mhz clock if memory serves. it was _extremely_ advanced for that time | 15:10 |
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| tristanC | fungi: and for a feeling of this computer, you can try it out there: http://svtsim.com/moonjs/agc.html :-) | 15:13 |
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| fungi | tristanC: nice! | 15:13 |
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| mrmartin | anyway this vcsrepo means, that we have issues everywhere in system-config where it is tied to a non-branch ref? | 15:15 |
| fungi | mrmartin: basically, yes | 15:15 |
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| clarkb | well | 15:16 |
| clarkb | we safely use latest on etherpad | 15:16 |
| clarkb | right? | 15:16 |
| fungi | clarkb: we do i think because we don't end up notifying/subscribing anything on update | 15:16 |
| clarkb | ya | 15:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack-infra/release-tools: If the release request includes highlights, add them to the release notes https://review.openstack.org/222662 | 15:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack-infra/release-tools: if no version is provided, default to most recent entry https://review.openstack.org/222663 | 15:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack-infra/release-tools: print the actual release command being run in case we have to retry https://review.openstack.org/222664 | 15:17 |
| fungi | so in the case of the etherpad_lite module it's just creating noise in the logs/puppetboard | 15:17 |
| fungi | claiming it updated on each puppet agent run | 15:18 |
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| yolanda | anteaya, thx, no problem, we'll find time next week | 15:20 |
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| anteaya | yolanda: great sounds good, enjoy your weekend! | 15:21 |
| anteaya | been concerned about my cat as she hasn't been interested in her food lately | 15:22 |
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| anteaya | seems the hunting is particulary good now | 15:22 |
| anteaya | it's a two mouse morning | 15:22 |
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| clarkb | anteaya I read that as "two moose" for a minute and was worried your cat was rather large | 15:26 |
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| anteaya | ha ha ha | 15:28 |
| anteaya | that would be my lions | 15:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Update requirements and devstack-gate on renames https://review.openstack.org/222670 | 15:28 |
| anteaya | moose don't tend to hang out in packs though | 15:28 |
| anteaya | one per 20 km radius | 15:28 |
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| anteaya | I got chased by a moose | 15:29 |
| anteaya | its a good story | 15:29 |
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| fungi | can anyone think of other files/repos we should check per 222670? | 15:29 |
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| fungi | this conversation is starting to sound like the opening credits for monty python and the holy grail | 15:30 |
| anteaya | fungi: ha ha ha | 15:30 |
| anteaya | needs more fjords | 15:30 |
| anteaya | I can not re:222670 | 15:30 |
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| anteaya | and am glad you thought of it | 15:30 |
| fungi | "...a møøse once bit my sister..." | 15:30 |
| clarkb | fungi gerritbot | 15:31 |
| anteaya | so I'm told | 15:31 |
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| fungi | clarkb: we have gerritbot files outside of project-config? | 15:31 |
| clarkb | no just listing other files | 15:31 |
| fungi | i guess we could stand to be more specific about what "puppet configuration" is | 15:31 |
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| clarkb | but thats all I am coming up with that isnt already in that paragraph | 15:32 |
| pabelanger | Morning! Was interested in feedback on adding !include yaml support into nodepool: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221919/ | 15:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Update requirements and devstack-gate on renames https://review.openstack.org/222670 | 15:33 |
| fungi | clarkb: ^ added | 15:33 |
| clarkb | pabelanger I already made my commebt here that the way jjb does it is broken | 15:33 |
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| clarkb | pabelanger so not thrilled about propogating that, would be better to fix jjb and go fron there? | 15:34 |
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| pabelanger | clarkb: Ya, I haven't forgotten. Been looking around to see another way to do it. | 15:34 |
| pabelanger | But, in general, I think people are open to the idea? | 15:34 |
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| anteaya | well clarkb saying he isn't thrilled about it doesn't equate to open in my reading of the words | 15:35 |
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| pabelanger | I read that as not thrilled of using broken code | 15:36 |
| clarkb | yes not thrilled to use broken code | 15:36 |
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| fungi | i'm betting you spend a lot of time not thrilled. we have plenty of broken code to go around | 15:37 |
| clarkb | :) | 15:37 |
| clarkb | well in this particular case it is confusing to users that are not us | 15:37 |
| pabelanger | zing! | 15:37 |
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| pabelanger | clarkb: do you by chance know the bug ID for the JJB issue? | 15:38 |
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| clarkb | no | 15:39 |
| clarkb | should be in storyboard | 15:39 |
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| pabelanger | ya, checking now | 15:41 |
| clarkb | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000338 maybe | 15:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Flavio Percoco proposed openstack/requirements: Align pyngus with oslo.messaging stable https://review.openstack.org/222679 | 15:42 |
| clarkb | actually | 15:42 |
| clarkb | pabelanger ^ should just work in nodepool today without any changes to the yaml parser | 15:43 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: Ya, I was looking at that one. But, might be a little different use case. Will see about testing | 15:43 |
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| clarkb | since we dont vreak the yaml parser in nodepool | 15:43 |
| pabelanger | ok | 15:43 |
| clarkb | so I am not sure your change is needed | 15:43 |
| pabelanger | Ya, I didn't know we support that | 15:43 |
| clarkb | can just be done in normal yaml | 15:43 |
| clarkb | well yaml does | 15:43 |
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| clarkb | so anything pyyaml does should just work. jjb is a little special due to some hacks to support things like python36/centos6 better | 15:44 |
| clarkb | *26 | 15:44 |
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| fungi | well, and also i think the jjb case is complicated by expectations around parameter substitution | 15:46 |
| pabelanger | Ya, I think anchors would work in nodepool out of box. Since we only support a single .yaml file. | 15:46 |
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| clarkb | fungi ya that too and the make a large doc from many behavior | 15:47 |
| pabelanger | I was hoping to add support for multiple yaml files, reducing the complexity of the main yaml file | 15:47 |
| pabelanger | let me give it a go and see | 15:47 |
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| salv-orl_ | hi guys, is there a place to retrieve logs for pypy jobs? A tag was pushed yesterday to openstack/vmware-nsx but no package has been published | 15:51 |
| clarkb | salv-orl_: yes, should be http://logs.openstack.org/firsttwoofsha1/sha1 | 15:52 |
| fungi | salv-orl_: yeah, but you have to know how to form the url | 15:52 |
| clarkb | and the sha1 is the sha1 of the tag itself, not what the tag points to | 15:52 |
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| fungi | salv-orl_: you don't have any pypi jobs configured, that i can see | 15:52 |
| clarkb | oh in that case no logs | 15:53 |
| fungi | in zuul's layout you've got project-templates on openstack/vmware-nsx for merge-check, python-jobs and check-requirements | 15:53 |
| salv-orl_ | fungi: that explains eveerything then. I was under the impression the job was configured when the project was created | 15:53 |
| fungi | so no pypi upload jobs to run | 15:53 |
| salv-orl_ | fungi: I'll fix that then | 15:53 |
| salv-orl_ | and I guess then I'll have to push another tag to trigger a job... | 15:54 |
| fungi | salv-orl_: i should be able to manually "re-"trigger the job that never ran once it exists | 15:55 |
| salv-orl_ | fungi: thanks. I'll make sure the job is configured first ;) | 15:55 |
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| fungi | well, jobs plural. the one that makes the release tarball/wheel and the job that uploads those to pypi | 15:55 |
| openstackgerrit | greghaynes proposed openstack-infra/nodepool: Builders no longer use nodedb for diskimages https://review.openstack.org/222398 | 15:56 |
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| fungi | salv-orl_: anyway, the publish-to-pypi template is the one you'll want to add | 15:56 |
| morgan | is this https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1494330 a PBR issue? | 15:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1487835 in PBR "duplicate for #1494330 Misparse of some comments in requirements" [Critical,Triaged] | 15:57 |
| morgan | oh derp | 15:57 |
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| morgan | wait a sec | 15:57 |
| salv-orl_ | fungi: thanks for your assistance! | 15:58 |
| morgan | i totally just missed that it was marked as dupe | 15:58 |
| morgan | nvm | 15:58 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: ^ huh, last patch that failed the dsvm nodepool test | 15:58 |
| anteaya | salv-orl_: hello | 15:58 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: do we have some logic in there about where images are written out to? | 15:58 |
| clarkb | greghaynes: it does grab the nodepool logs I would check there | 15:58 |
| salv-orl_ | hi anteaya | 15:58 |
| clarkb | greghaynes: no, it uses the commands to check if image is built | 15:59 |
| greghaynes | hrm | 15:59 |
| clarkb | greghaynes: it does set onfig to use /opt for the extra disk space though | 15:59 |
| clarkb | same thing we do iwth prod nodepool | 15:59 |
| greghaynes | anyhow though, I think that patch is basically good to go and no more nodedb, so were *super* close | 16:00 |
| greghaynes | ill poke when test results come back | 16:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Antoine Musso proposed openstack-infra/git-review: Enhance message on project mismatch https://review.openstack.org/222166 | 16:00 |
| clarkb | greghaynes: looks like the dib built image never went to built | 16:00 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: wierd, we have tests for that | 16:00 |
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| clarkb | greghaynes: its possible it just took longer than the sleep there, I would check the screen-nodepool log | 16:01 |
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| pabelanger | clarkb: So, seems like pyyaml doesn't do a good job testing anchors over multiple files. In fact, I don't see much testing for that. | 16:03 |
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| clarkb | pabelanger: no its not over multiple files | 16:04 |
| greghaynes | you can anchor over multiple files? | 16:04 |
| clarkb | I am not sure why everyone wants to make multiple file config | 16:04 |
| clarkb | greghaynes: no | 16:04 |
| greghaynes | ok, didnt think so | 16:04 |
| clarkb | I am stil la bit grumpy that nodepool is moving to a 3 file config right now | 16:04 |
| clarkb | secure.conf, nodepool.yaml and oscc | 16:04 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: 4 files | 16:04 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: builder config too | 16:04 |
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| fungi | (logging config!) | 16:05 |
| clarkb | greghaynes: but that can be the same as nodepool.yaml? | 16:05 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: yes | 16:05 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: well, I was thinking something like conf.d support. So, I could just dump puppet generated files into that directory and not touch nodepool.yaml | 16:05 |
| clarkb | fungi: thats optional, the default is actually sane if you don't want debug (but we run with debug) | 16:05 |
| fungi | clarkb: fair point | 16:05 |
| pabelanger | having puppet generate nodepool.yaml is fine, but file is pretty big today. 1000+ lines IIRC | 16:06 |
| fungi | would be nice if nodepoold and oscc could share a config (assuming no overlap in keys) | 16:06 |
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| clarkb | pabelanger: is that a problem? its basically a serialized data structure and that is the size of the data | 16:06 |
| greghaynes | I am curious, what problem are we solving? | 16:06 |
| clarkb | the only time it was an issue for me is when ubuntu vim segfaulted on it | 16:06 |
| clarkb | but that was a vim bug not a nodepool problem | 16:06 |
| clarkb | (fixed now) | 16:06 |
| greghaynes | oh, adding includes to the nodepool config? I dont see why thats necessary | 16:07 |
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| clarkb | greghaynes: I think the idea is to make config management simpler? | 16:07 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: ^ is that the goal? | 16:08 |
| pabelanger | greghaynes: I was trying to break the need of having providers, labels, etc, templated by puppet. | 16:08 |
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| pabelanger | clarkb: Not sure about simpler, but ya | 16:08 |
| greghaynes | How does includes prevent you from needing to template with puppet? | 16:08 |
| clarkb | the problem with JJBs include syntax is its not yaml | 16:08 |
| pabelanger | agreed | 16:08 |
| clarkb | today nodepool uses raw yaml | 16:08 |
| clarkb | for JJB thats fine since JJB pretends to be a language in JJB clothing | 16:09 |
| clarkb | but nodepool has never done that | 16:09 |
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| clarkb | er language in yaml clothing | 16:09 |
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| pabelanger | Right, that was my reason for asking here today. If people don't want to add support into nodepool, I won't push it. I can work with how configs are done today | 16:09 |
| fungi | greghaynes: well, it could allow you to template multiple small files and maintain one large static file for the majority if the configuration which may not need templating | 16:10 |
| clarkb | fungi: pabelanger right, except you don't need weird include syntax for that | 16:10 |
| clarkb | you could just load multiple yaml docs | 16:10 |
| fungi | also wondering if this is specifically related to ansible (and zuul v3)? | 16:10 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: Ya, so that was my next question. If we don't want include, maybe load multiple yaml files and such | 16:10 |
| clarkb | I think if the goal is split up config files I would avoid the include machinery in JJB because its not yaml and instead just load >1 yaml file | 16:11 |
| clarkb | and that way you remain vanilla yaml | 16:11 |
| greghaynes | fungi: yea, I could see that, which isnt really preventing the need to template just making it so you can handle small files instead of one large | 16:11 |
| greghaynes | which is not a puppet thing | 16:11 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: if however your goal is to condense the config I would just use markers inside a single document | 16:11 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: Right, so I'll drop the !include patch, I am fine with that. | 16:12 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: this is why it is important to understand what the goal is. 1k line file is easily addressed with markers in a single doc | 16:12 |
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| greghaynes | Yes, if you anchored the providers: blocks for example that would do a lot | 16:12 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: Ya, I'll give that a shot to start | 16:12 |
| greghaynes | and is a no-brainer | 16:12 |
| clarkb | we could write out the rax and hpcloud image lists once each and anchor them each in | 16:12 |
| clarkb | that reduces file size | 16:12 |
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| fungi | ooh, great point | 16:12 |
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| nibalizer | good morning yall | 16:14 |
| anteaya | morning nibalizer | 16:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Antoine Musso proposed openstack-infra/nodepool: Continue image refresh if /etc/nodepool exists https://review.openstack.org/222689 | 16:16 |
| zaro | morning | 16:17 |
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| pleia2 | morning | 16:17 |
| anteaya | morning zaro | 16:18 |
| anteaya | morning pleia2 | 16:18 |
| Daisy | moring, pleia2 | 16:19 |
| anteaya | morning Daisy | 16:19 |
| Daisy | It's my mid night. :) | 16:19 |
| nibalizer | nice | 16:19 |
| clarkb | pleia2: oh I havne't checked on the zanata job from last night yet | 16:19 |
| anteaya | zaro: if you feel like helping out it never hurts to have new eyes on the rename patches: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/project-renames-Septemeber-2015 | 16:19 |
| Daisy | pleia2: what's your plan for translate-dev ? | 16:19 |
| anteaya | Daisy: evening Daisy | 16:19 |
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| Daisy | could we keep it for testing? pleia2 | 16:20 |
| pleia2 | Daisy: we have to keep it for testing so we can do upgrades and things | 16:20 |
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| nibalizer | crinkle: greghaynes SpamapS up for some chatter about infra-cloud? I have some questions like 'why is there only one vlan' and stuff | 16:20 |
| Daisy | pleia2: nice. I like the answer. | 16:20 |
| greghaynes | nibalizer: because our provider made it that way | 16:21 |
| hashar | clarkb: fungi: I found a funny bug in nodepool. The dib elements creates /etc/nodepool and then nodepool attempts to create it again causing the image update to be aborted :-) My cloud provider has an image created by dib :D | 16:21 |
| greghaynes | nibalizer: the network is not something we have control over | 16:21 |
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| pleia2 | Daisy: you should let us know if you're using it for something though, we don't make backups and data could be changed/lost as we do testing | 16:21 |
| nibalizer | so we get vlan 25 and untagged traffic, and thats it? | 16:21 |
| nibalizer | gotta make do? | 16:21 |
| greghaynes | nibalizer: yes | 16:21 |
| nibalizer | boooooo | 16:21 |
| greghaynes | nibalizer: and only public routable over vlan25 | 16:21 |
| fungi | hashar: interesting. which element? | 16:21 |
| Daisy | OK. pleia2. I have some thoughts to use it. I will let you know. | 16:21 |
| clarkb | hashar: it aborts during the ready script portion where it ssh's in and copies the host data ya? | 16:22 |
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| fungi | hashar: oh, i see it in your commit message. thanks | 16:22 |
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| clarkb | yup easy fix +2 | 16:22 |
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| pleia2 | clarkb: hm, when you have a chance oslo.versionedobjects-propose-translation-update-zanata didn't run, did we miss something in the job config? (my eyes are failing me!) | 16:23 |
| hashar | yup sorry | 16:23 |
| fungi | clarkb: hashar: though it leaves me wondering whether we should stop doing that in the dib element | 16:23 |
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| greghaynes | nibalizer: curious why you ask? It definitely is not ideal but we should be able to make it work fine | 16:23 |
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| nibalizer | greghaynes: I'm kinda waiting for crinkle to pipe up with where we got stuck on it last night | 16:24 |
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| crinkle | greghaynes: nibalizer and i were poking at my dhcp issue last night and we think the vlan is making things weird | 16:24 |
| clarkb | fungi: I think its hashar's element | 16:24 |
| hashar | fungi: clarkb: potentially when building the disk image, you might need some of the nodepool script so it might make sense to keep them | 16:24 |
| clarkb | fungi: they are making the base image and uploaded it? | 16:24 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: ok, im in a good spot to debug now | 16:24 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: nibalizer vlan's shouldnt be an issue there, its an l2 all the same | 16:24 |
| nibalizer | the way it is now, eth2.25 is connected to br-vlan25, wichh has a 15. public addr (and is the way the box connects to the world) | 16:25 |
| crinkle | greghaynes: neutron wants to create its own tagged interface based on the value of the physical_interface_mappings config | 16:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Morie proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add control over more settings of github pull request builder plugin https://review.openstack.org/222690 | 16:25 |
| jtrovo_ | clarkb jesusaurus andreaf can I get a review on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222369/ | 16:25 |
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| greghaynes | crinkle: Yea, we definitely dont want neutron creatting a tagged interface | 16:25 |
| nibalizer | when bridge qbrblablah is created it tries to add eth2.25 to qbrblahblah but cannot because eth2.25 is already connected to br-valn25 | 16:25 |
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| greghaynes | wait, why is it making a bridge | 16:26 |
| nibalizer | I believe this is how netron network create behaves | 16:26 |
| hashar | greghaynes: clarkb: fungi: thank you for the quick approval. Much appreciated :-) Have a great afternoon! | 16:26 |
| nibalizer | but yea if we could just tell neutron about the perfectly good bridge that we have that would be ideal | 16:26 |
| fungi | clarkb: hashar: oh, that makes sense | 16:27 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: greghaynes pretty sure that isn't provider networking | 16:27 |
| clarkb | but maybe we went over this the other day when I said that too | 16:27 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: Yea, thats my guess too | 16:27 |
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| greghaynes | crinkle: where were you seeing errors about that? | 16:27 |
| crinkle | greghaynes: about which | 16:28 |
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| zaro | anteaya: looking | 16:28 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: neutron failing to add interface to bridge, or w/e you are debugging | 16:28 |
| crinkle | greghaynes: the linuxbridge agent log on the compute node | 16:29 |
| clarkb | crinkle: I would double check that you are using provider networking as creating bridges is what it should do when not provider networking | 16:29 |
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| anteaya | zaro: thank you | 16:29 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: oh yea, so something is definitely misconfigured ;) | 16:29 |
| crinkle | clarkb: my config follows the 4b scenario docs | 16:29 |
| fungi | good ol' option 4b | 16:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Glauco Oliveira proposed openstack-infra/puppet-httpd: Fix httpd::python and httpd::dev. https://review.openstack.org/222694 | 16:31 |
| crinkle | greghaynes: originally I had physical_interface_mappings=provider:br-vlan25 and it would create a new interface br-vlan25.25 and dhcp requests would go directly to the external dhcp server | 16:31 |
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| crinkle | now we're slightly down the rabbithole of tweaks | 16:31 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: ok, we might have to read some code | 16:31 |
| crinkle | oh dear | 16:32 |
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| anteaya | I am going to get a walk in before renames happen, should be back in an hour or so | 16:33 |
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| clarkb | crinkle: looking at the diagram for 4b it should create the one bridge for the network you are attaching to in the provider | 16:36 |
| clarkb | but thats it | 16:36 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: thats what it does/attempts to do | 16:36 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: where do you see that it creates the bridge? | 16:37 |
| clarkb | greghaynes: http://docs.openstack.org/networking-guide/deploy_scenario4b.html | 16:37 |
| greghaynes | yea, where on there ;) | 16:37 |
| clarkb | greghaynes: compute node components diagram | 16:37 |
| nibalizer | the problem is that the interface it attempts to attach is in use | 16:37 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: crinkle oh! | 16:37 |
| clarkb | in that case you need to ninja more | 16:38 |
| nibalizer | i would agree with greg that the 4b document does not specify who is responsible for creating that linux bridge | 16:38 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: :D | 16:38 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: crinkle I think what you need is to have two different subinterfaces for the actual physical interface | 16:38 |
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| nibalizer | ya I think if you ssh in on the 10-net adress, break 15-net networking, do the needful, then readd 15-net networking it would work | 16:38 |
| clarkb | the first for the compute nodes networking and the second to attach to qbr | 16:38 |
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| greghaynes | yea, im trying to hold off on suggesting that until I actually understand what is supposed to be happening | 16:38 |
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| clarkb | greghaynes: qbr is attaching to eth0 (or whatever the interface is) and its killing your networking there | 16:39 |
| greghaynes | I think its failing to attach | 16:39 |
| greghaynes | because its already attached | 16:39 |
| greghaynes | I just thought we had this figured out and neutron wasnt supposed to be making the bridge for us | 16:39 |
| greghaynes | worried that it might be doing it because our config isnt correct | 16:40 |
| clarkb | gotcha | 16:40 |
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| clarkb | pleia2: ok looking at why that job didn't run now | 16:40 |
| nibalizer | greghaynes: ya | 16:41 |
| nibalizer | I have no idea how openstack networking is supposed to work so it's easy for me to rabbithole | 16:41 |
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| clarkb | pleia2: zuul layout looks good, the job is on jenkins.o.o | 16:42 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: nods | 16:42 |
| clarkb | pleia2: going to grep zuul log snow | 16:43 |
| sc` | if someone has a moment, could i get a workflow on this change? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217858/ | 16:43 |
| pleia2 | I'd been checking the page on jenkins.o.o for results, then logged on to the proposal slave to see if it even created the workspace directory for the job (nope) | 16:43 |
| greghaynes | nibalizer: clarkb crinkle so another question - if neutron is creating the bridge is it also able to correctly assign our compute node IP on that bridge? | 16:43 |
| clarkb | greghaynes: no likely not, if you look at the docs it says explicilty no IP assigned there | 16:44 |
| clarkb | greghaynes: so you probably need another bridge or similar | 16:44 |
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| greghaynes | aye | 16:44 |
| greghaynes | that has potential routing issues which is why im :( | 16:45 |
| nibalizer | you could add an interface to that bridge with the right ip | 16:45 |
| nibalizer | neutron may or may not remove that with prejudice | 16:45 |
| nibalizer | i spent a while trying to bridge linux bridges last night, turns out that is not a thing | 16:46 |
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| clarkb | pleia2: oslo.versionedobjects-propose-translation-update-zanata: NOT_REGISTERED | 16:46 |
| clarkb | pleia2: that is from debug.log.1.gz (was confused when I got no results on the current log file and realized it had rotated) | 16:46 |
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| clarkb | pleia2: so you need ot check if it is registered now, you can do echo status | nc localhost 4730 | grep jobname to see | 16:47 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: ah, I see, on zuul.o.o (hadn't logged in to look through those logs before) | 16:47 |
| clarkb | pleia2: yup | 16:47 |
| clarkb | NOT_REGISTERED means gearman doesn't know about it | 16:48 |
| pleia2 | yep | 16:48 |
| clarkb | if you can confirm its still not registerd I can give you a couple options to try and register it more forcefully | 16:48 |
| clarkb | (nc command above to check) | 16:48 |
| pleia2 | build:oslo.versionedobjects-propose-translation-update-zanata:proposal001 | 16:48 |
| pleia2 | build:oslo.versionedobjects-propose-translation-update-zanata001 | 16:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/requirements: Updates moved project paths https://review.openstack.org/219091 | 16:49 |
| clarkb | cool so it is registered now but wasnt last night for whatever reason | 16:49 |
| * pleia2 nods | 16:49 | |
| clarkb | if you want to keep digging you can check jenkins.openstack.org:/var/log/jenkins/jenkins.log | 16:49 |
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| crinkle | greghaynes: that "no such device" is from playing with the value of the physical_interface_mapping I think, you could try to create a new network and node and see fresher errors | 16:50 |
| clarkb | pleia2: if you need to force registration you can take the slave offline then online, disable enable the job, or restart jenkins | 16:50 |
| clarkb | shouldn't need that in this case | 16:50 |
| pleia2 | gotcha | 16:50 |
| pleia2 | not sure it's worth forcing the job either, it'll just run it tonight and I can check in the morning | 16:50 |
| clarkb | pleia2: in the interest of expediency we should probably go ahead and trigger that job now though | 16:50 |
| pleia2 | or that! | 16:50 |
| clarkb | or that if yo uwant to check on saturday :) | 16:50 |
| pleia2 | :) | 16:50 |
| pleia2 | how do we do that? | 16:50 |
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| clarkb | let me grep my history on zuul.o.o to remember | 16:51 |
| clarkb | pleia2: I think you need to use /opt/zuul/tools/trigger-job.py | 16:51 |
| clarkb | since zuul-enqueue assumes a change so only works in check/gate | 16:52 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: ah yes, I think I've only used that based on the info from when the job ran once | 16:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Carver proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Added doc and PyPI publishing for networking-sfc https://review.openstack.org/221589 | 16:52 |
| pleia2 | but in this case it's never run | 16:52 |
| clarkb | pleia2: ya so this time its a bit more complicated except that periodic jobs don't really have any parameters iirc | 16:52 |
| ganso | clarkb: hello | 16:52 |
| pleia2 | that's helpful | 16:53 |
| clarkb | hrm are we even running any periodic jobs? | 16:53 |
| clarkb | ganso: hi | 16:53 |
| clarkb | oh no I am just on the wrong host | 16:53 |
| pleia2 | all the translations are periodic | 16:53 |
| greghaynes | SpamapS: So you have some memory of this - in tripleo how did we get around this? I thought we had tooling to make our bridge interface and neutron would make use of it | 16:53 |
| ganso | clarkb: Clark could you please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221880 when you are not too busy? Thanks in advance :) | 16:53 |
| clarkb | pleia2: https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/nova-upstream-translation-update/1177/parameters/ there | 16:54 |
| clarkb | pleia2: so that gives oyu an idea of what you need to feed in, its pretty minimal | 16:54 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: right, thanks :) | 16:54 |
| clarkb | pleia2: looks like its just master, the ref for master, and log path details | 16:54 |
| clarkb | pleia2: don't bother with swift, we should write a utility to generate those for us | 16:55 |
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| pleia2 | ok | 16:55 |
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| greghaynes | SpamapS: crinkle nibalizer I wonder if this is a difference between scenario 4a and 4b | 16:55 |
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| clarkb | ganso: I have no idea what that commit message is trying to tell me | 16:56 |
| clarkb | ganso: would it be a bad idea to ask why you need the change in project-config terms? | 16:56 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: anyhow, I cant find anything wrong with how were set up... maybe just try making the subinterface, assign the 15.x to one and let neutron use the other? | 16:57 |
| clarkb | speaking of utilities is it bad that I want a jenkins master to start thread leaking so I can run my new script live? :) | 16:57 |
| ganso | clarkb: in Manila, we have our scripts set up to configure the job with multibackend parameters if it has "multibackend" in its name | 16:57 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: I think were going to have routing issues but I guess we can see what those look like ;) | 16:57 |
| clarkb | ganso: ok so thats the missing piece of info in the commit message | 16:57 |
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| clarkb | ganso: should say something like "mnailla test behavior is dependent on the job name. In particular manilla uses multibackend parameters if multibackend is in the name. Change the job name so that we can take advantage of multibackend." Or something | 16:58 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: crinkle actually, will subinterfaces even work - we would have overlapping subnets | 16:58 |
| ganso | clarkb: ok... I will upload a new patch fixing the message | 16:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/nodepool: Continue image refresh if /etc/nodepool exists https://review.openstack.org/222689 | 16:58 |
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| nibalizer | greghaynes: you can have multiple l3's on a single l2 | 16:59 |
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| clarkb | ya overlapping subnets should be fine | 17:00 |
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| jeblair | good morning | 17:00 |
| clarkb | since all that matters there is the vlan tag right? | 17:00 |
| greghaynes | its multiple l2's single l3 | 17:00 |
| clarkb | basically what nibalizer said | 17:00 |
| greghaynes | not other way around | 17:00 |
| clarkb | greghaynes: it is? its all vlan25? | 17:00 |
| nibalizer | greghaynes: ya i'm confused | 17:00 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: yes, but linux treats the bridge as a separate l2 effectively | 17:00 |
| greghaynes | packet comes in, what interface does it go to is what im saying | 17:01 |
| clarkb | arp figures it out | 17:01 |
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| greghaynes | arp finds a way? | 17:01 |
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| nibalizer | the packets swim upstream to their breeding ponds | 17:01 |
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| clarkb | yes its why arp exists | 17:02 |
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| greghaynes | Yea, and thats fine when youre all on a single l2 but arp does not cross between bridges | 17:03 |
| greghaynes | I think we can just try it though and see | 17:03 |
| crinkle | greghaynes: want to show me what you're thinking? i'm a little fuzzy on how this should work | 17:03 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: sure | 17:03 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: I am also asking in -neutron real quick if theres a way we can point neutron at a bridge we make for 4b | 17:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Rodrigo Barbieri proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Rename Manila CI jobs https://review.openstack.org/221880 | 17:04 |
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| ganso | clarkb: ^ | 17:04 |
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| clarkb | greghaynes you connect the bridges | 17:06 |
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| asselin | yolanda, you around to discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189762/? | 17:06 |
| clarkb | first bridge only exists because neutron wants to creat one | 17:06 |
| clarkb | its effectively a single l2 spanning two devices | 17:07 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: I don't think linux lets you connect two bridges | 17:07 |
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| clarkb | it does | 17:07 |
| nibalizer | which is silly, but I tried pretty hard last night | 17:07 |
| nibalizer | without ovs? | 17:07 |
| clarkb | yes | 17:07 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: at the bottom of etherpad I have a proposed trigger command, can you review? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zanata-deploy | 17:07 |
| nibalizer | how? | 17:07 |
| clarkb | you make a veth pair between them | 17:07 |
| clarkb | pleia2 ya | 17:07 |
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| fungi | imagine it like you're creating a virtual switchport on your virtual switch, and hard-wiring it to a virtual switchport on another switch (then abstract out the wire and make the two switchports one) | 17:08 |
| greghaynes | SpamapS: tl;dr is neutron wants to create a bridge interface even when using provider networks | 17:09 |
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| SpamapS | greghaynes: I believe we used ovs, and maybe ovs has some internal mechanics for making that "just work" where linuxbridge is more straight forward. | 17:09 |
| greghaynes | SpamapS: :( | 17:09 |
| SpamapS | greghaynes: can we make it create a bridge off a bridge? | 17:09 |
| clarkb | pleia2 need to add the job name to --job and pass the ref to --newrev? sorry I switched to phone so can feed baby | 17:09 |
| fungi | ovs is full of magic wands and pixie dust | 17:10 |
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| clarkb | linuxbridge will just work, add a second bridge | 17:10 |
| greghaynes | SpamapS: *shrug* | 17:10 |
| clarkb | I will make art when not on a phone | 17:10 |
| SpamapS | so eth2.25<->br-vlan25<->qr-fofofofo | 17:10 |
| greghaynes | haha | 17:10 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: no rush, yeah I just added the job, not sure about --newrev because it's not in git yet.. | 17:10 |
| SpamapS | question is, then do we have to move the 15.x to qr-fofofofo | 17:10 |
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| SpamapS | cause I'd guess we do | 17:10 |
| mrmartin | fungi, clarkb: I think I found the reason of the vcsrepo bug. This part was rewritten since the upstream vcsrepo: https://github.com/openstack-infra/puppet-vcsrepo/blob/master/lib/puppet/type/vcsrepo.rb#L74 but this condition looks ugly | 17:10 |
| greghaynes | SpamapS: I dont think we can | 17:10 |
| clarkb | pleia2 its sha1 for master of that project | 17:11 |
| greghaynes | SpamapS: neutron wants to make and delete that interface | 17:11 |
| SpamapS | greghaynes: right, so not only hard, but impractical | 17:11 |
| clarkb | pleia2 should be used in the log path too | 17:11 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: ah, gotcha (and yeah, that's what the log path is) | 17:11 |
| clarkb | eth0 - br1 - vlan25hypervisor interface | 17:12 |
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| clarkb | eth0 - br1 - vetha - vethb - qbe | 17:12 |
| clarkb | *qbr | 17:12 |
| clarkb | done | 17:12 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: our vlans are flipped (below the bridge) | 17:12 |
| greghaynes | but it makes it more simple | 17:13 |
| asselin | jhesketh, you around to discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189762/? | 17:13 |
| clarkb | ok my diagram still works right? | 17:13 |
| clarkb | just change where tagging occurs | 17:13 |
| greghaynes | yea, I havent actually tried that setup before so I just have to push the believe button | 17:14 |
| bltavares | hey there folks. could someone help us get another +2 on this linting fixes? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219454/1 | 17:14 |
| greghaynes | but we should play | 17:14 |
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| clarkb | its how we do multinode testing | 17:14 |
| clarkb | because like you I have no control of host networking | 17:14 |
| pleia2 | 2015-09-11 17:14:25.621 | Finished: SUCCESS | 17:14 |
| pleia2 | \o/ | 17:15 |
| pleia2 | looking at logs now | 17:15 |
| clarkb | pleia2 woot | 17:15 |
| pleia2 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222712/ | 17:15 |
| pleia2 | it submitted a change too! | 17:15 |
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| asselin | clarkb, fungi jeblair your reviews for nodepool secure.conf change would be appreciated: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189762/21 | 17:15 |
| clarkb | we should fix the topic | 17:16 |
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| clarkb | pleia2 ^ to remove transifex | 17:19 |
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| clarkb | maybe drop it entirely and dont call out zanata? | 17:19 |
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| pleia2 | clarkb: yeah | 17:19 |
| pleia2 | we can switch to saying zanata maybe | 17:20 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: question, which interfaces are you veth pairing? the subinterfaces or making taps on the bridges you then veth pair | 17:20 |
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| greghaynes | because I kind of think the latter is what we might need | 17:20 |
| clarkb | greghaynes vetha and vethb are a pair | 17:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Remove devtest support https://review.openstack.org/221726 | 17:20 |
| clarkb | they are a cable between br1 and qbr | 17:20 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: ok, so those are taps | 17:20 |
| greghaynes | that you veth pair | 17:20 |
| clarkb | no | 17:20 |
| clarkb | its just a veth pair | 17:20 |
| greghaynes | you can just 'veth pair a bridge'? | 17:21 |
| clarkb | there is an ip incantation to make a veth pair | 17:21 |
| greghaynes | yes | 17:21 |
| clarkb | and you attach to a bridge | 17:21 |
| clarkb | tap is a different interface type that dumps data from another iirc | 17:21 |
| glauco_ | May I have the following changes reviewed? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222624/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222625/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222694/ | 17:21 |
| nibalizer | so like ip link add bridgeconnect1 type veth peername bridgeconnect2; brctl addif br1 bridgeconnect1; brctl addif br2 bridgeconnect2 | 17:22 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: you are a wizard :) | 17:22 |
| clarkb | ya | 17:22 |
| asselin | nibalizer, could you review these 2 simple changes: 220698 220699? | 17:23 |
| nibalizer | asselin: possibly, I haven't really decided if I'm done vacationing or not yet | 17:23 |
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| sridhar_ram | clarkb: infra-team - can you please review this one line - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218406/? | 17:26 |
| sridhar_ram | *one liner | 17:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Elizabeth K. Joseph proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Change translations proposal topic for zanata https://review.openstack.org/222717 | 17:30 |
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| clarkb | nibalizer so you can either untag at or downstream of br1 | 17:32 |
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| clarkb | but either way should work if you set things up correctly | 17:32 |
| clarkb | its just a design choice | 17:32 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: I'm away on Monday for a holiday, so my inclination is to see if AJaeger wants to look at this proposal job and subsequent patch that was submitted to see if he has any thoughts/questions before switching all the rest, which we can do on Tuesday morning or so | 17:32 |
| clarkb | I personally would untag at br1 since its less config and nothing below it needs to be tag aware | 17:32 |
| clarkb | pleia2 sounds good | 17:33 |
| pleia2 | I can email him today, and hopefully he'll see the email in his inbox of doom upon return :) | 17:33 |
| fungi | did we break puppeting on centos 6? http://puppetboard.openstack.org/report/pbx.openstack.org/128f90c6f55f0333d9e57011e79eaecbf1d56a90 | 17:33 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: yes, we already have a tagged interface set up | 17:33 |
| greghaynes | so question though | 17:33 |
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| greghaynes | how do we add the veth interface to the neutron bridge | 17:33 |
| greghaynes | since we dont create that bridge | 17:33 |
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| nibalizer | fungi: isn't that the old 'python-pip' vs 'pip' centos stuff? | 17:33 |
| greghaynes | do we just add it by hand and hope it never gets deleted? | 17:33 |
| clarkb | greghaynes in your neutron config youbtell it what exterbal interface is | 17:34 |
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| clarkb | and it adds it to the qbr bridge for you | 17:34 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: oh, so have it make the bridge off our veth | 17:34 |
| greghaynes | gotcha | 17:34 |
| greghaynes | yea, that should just work | 17:34 |
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| greghaynes | oh, wait, but we also need it to add the vlan interface? | 17:34 |
| nibalizer | well you need to figure out vlans | 17:34 |
| nibalizer | I think | 17:34 |
| greghaynes | nibalizer: why? | 17:35 |
| greghaynes | vlan tagging is done below the bridge | 17:35 |
| clarkb | ya thats why untag at br1 | 17:36 |
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| clarkb | then hypervisor interface and vms/neutron dont care | 17:36 |
| nibalizer | so on scnario 4b we set physical_interface_mappings = provider:PROVIDER_INTERFACE in the ml2 config | 17:36 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: so we need two interfaces added to the bridge then, the veth and the vlan subinterface | 17:36 |
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| nibalizer | and when we set it to say, eth2, neutron tries to add eth2.25 to qbrblablah because the provider id is set to 25 in the invocatin that crinkle was running | 17:37 |
| clarkb | ya so its eth0 - vlan25 - br1 | 17:37 |
| nibalizer | maybe there is a way to say 'dont vlan' but that woud need to be considered | 17:37 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: yes. Is there a way to tell neutron when it makes a bridge to add two interfaces to it? | 17:37 |
| clarkb | no no | 17:37 |
| clarkb | you make br1 | 17:37 |
| clarkb | and connect qbr to br1 | 17:37 |
| clarkb | so neutron never knows or cares | 17:37 |
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| greghaynes | oh! | 17:38 |
| greghaynes | wow | 17:38 |
| greghaynes | that makes a ton more sense | 17:38 |
| greghaynes | ok, got it | 17:38 |
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| nibalizer | I don't get it, qbr is created by neutron | 17:38 |
| nibalizer | so you sneak in after the fact and wire it up and sssshhh? | 17:38 |
| greghaynes | nibalizer: one path is eth0 - vlan25 - br1 - vetha - vethb - qbr | 17:38 |
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| greghaynes | clarkb: ^ correct | 17:39 |
| clarkb | yes | 17:39 |
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| greghaynes | yea, I was conflating the subinterfaces thing - we dont even need subinterfaces here | 17:39 |
| clarkb | nope | 17:39 |
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| nibalizer | I understand that to work, I'm saying I don't think you can get that to come up automatically with a 'netron net-create' command, if that makes any sense | 17:40 |
| nibalizer | maybe we don't really need that to work | 17:40 |
| greghaynes | nibalizer: we configure up to vethb on our own, we tell neutron vethb is its provider interface | 17:40 |
| clarkb | nibalizer it should if neutron config says use vethb to talk out | 17:40 |
| clarkb | yes that | 17:41 |
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| nibalizer | okay I think we should just try it | 17:41 |
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| nibalizer | I expect there will be 802.11q shoved in there, but thats probably me misunderstanding | 17:41 |
| greghaynes | nibalizer: that is the vlan25 interface | 17:41 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: You want to set it up or I can poke at it? | 17:42 |
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| crinkle | greghaynes: go for it | 17:43 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: ok. I'm going to just do it on the compute since thats the only one it should matter on | 17:45 |
| SpamapS | +1 on basically a simple layer2 soft switch pushing all the packets out where they need to go | 17:47 |
| SpamapS | I think that should work, and will still be simpler than ovs | 17:47 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: what is this br-vlan101? | 17:47 |
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| crinkle | greghaynes: originally i was copy-pasting and created a network with segmentation id 101 and i think that is the result | 17:48 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: ok, so I can kill? | 17:48 |
| crinkle | greghaynes: yes | 17:48 |
| Clint | license to kill | 17:48 |
| greghaynes | :) | 17:49 |
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| greghaynes | crinkle: ok, so you should be good to configure veth2 as the provider interface | 17:51 |
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| crinkle | greghaynes: okay, just on compute? I think it needs to be set on both compute and controller | 17:52 |
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| greghaynes | crinkle: sure, we can make it on the controller, one sec | 17:53 |
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| greghaynes | crinkle: also, I stopped the neutron linuxbridge agent and nova-compute on the compute host | 17:53 |
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| zaro | anteaya: what is the purpose of 'groups:' gerrit project.yaml file? https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/gerrit/projects.yaml#n2631 | 17:53 |
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| greghaynes | crinkle: should be good to go | 17:55 |
| crinkle | greghaynes: mmk i will poke | 17:55 |
| mordred | greghaynes, crinkle: wow. do we actually understand how the bridge/vlan stuff hangs together for reals? there's a ton of scrollbsack, but the most recent stuff looks clear and understandable | 17:59 |
| greghaynes | mordred: yea, clear as mud ;) | 18:00 |
| greghaynes | I actually do grok this setup though | 18:00 |
| greghaynes | and I believe it should work... but well see | 18:00 |
| mordred | greghaynes: mud is clear if you have mud-eyes | 18:00 |
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| anteaya | asselin: jhesketh is probably on a plane for quite a while | 18:01 |
| anteaya | morning jeblair | 18:01 |
| asselin | anteaya, yeah I guess everyone already on weekend | 18:01 |
| anteaya | zaro: groups in the gerrit/projects.yaml file is for launchpad bugs | 18:02 |
| claudiub|2 | anteaya: hi. if you have the time, could you take a look at a project proposal patch? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209204/ | 18:02 |
| asselin | nibalizer, ok | 18:02 |
| crinkle | greghaynes: it launches without errors but doesn't dhcp | 18:03 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: ooo | 18:03 |
| rcarrillocruz | greghaynes, crinkle: heya, you have access to an infra cloud deployed with Bifrost by any chance? | 18:04 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i'd like you to confirm something, it seems the key put on authorized_keys by glean doesn't contain a newline | 18:04 |
| rcarrillocruz | which breaks user scripts that append keys to that file | 18:04 |
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| zaro | anteaya: thanks. someboday should really update the jeepby docs. | 18:05 |
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| anteaya | zaro: no argument from me | 18:05 |
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| rcarrillocruz | SpamapS: ^ | 18:06 |
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| clarkb | mordred: the basic setup is put a software switch in place to do vlan tagging for both neutron and the host itself | 18:06 |
| clarkb | mordred: this also allows the host to have an interface on that vlan sharing the same physical device with the VMs despite the extra management that neutron wants to perform | 18:06 |
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| clarkb | crinkle: for dhcp check syslog, dnsmasq should report errors there | 18:08 |
| openstackgerrit | sebastian marcet proposed openstack-infra/openstackid: OIDC - OpenId Connect Implementation https://review.openstack.org/198458 | 18:08 |
| clarkb | or are you talking bifrost cloud area? | 18:09 |
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| crinkle | clarkb: no not bifrost | 18:11 |
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| crinkle | clarkb: I don't think the dhcp request is even making it off the compute node so dnsmasq logs wouldn't help, also no syslog on these machines | 18:15 |
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| greghaynes | rcarrillocruz: hey | 18:17 |
| greghaynes | rcarrillocruz: I could beliee that | 18:17 |
| rcarrillocruz | i'll push a fix | 18:18 |
| rcarrillocruz | it's very simple | 18:18 |
| rcarrillocruz | add a '\n' | 18:18 |
| rcarrillocruz | thx | 18:18 |
| greghaynes | rcarrillocruz: glean should not be appending, also | 18:18 |
| anteaya | zaro: thanks for your reviews | 18:18 |
| greghaynes | rcarrillocruz: but we havent fixed that yet | 18:18 |
| rcarrillocruz | but don't you agree the key that is put from ironic to root should have a new line ? | 18:19 |
| rcarrillocruz | i mean, you do a cat on authorized_keys and the prompt is messed due to that | 18:20 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i have some folks running tests on servres that add keys on root authorized_keys and it's why i saw this issue | 18:20 |
| rcarrillocruz | cos new keys you append with >> | 18:20 |
| rcarrillocruz | wouldn't be put on a new line, but right after the ironic key | 18:20 |
| greghaynes | rcarrillocruz: yea, it probably should have a newline | 18:21 |
| rcarrillocruz | ++ | 18:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ricardo Carrillo Cruz proposed openstack-infra/glean: Put a newline on key injected by Glean https://review.openstack.org/222725 | 18:24 |
| rcarrillocruz | greghaynes: ^ | 18:24 |
| greghaynes | rcarrillocruz: that will probably fail tests | 18:24 |
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| clarkb | crinkle did you check console log to make sure vm attempts dhcp? | 18:27 |
| crinkle | clarkb: yes that is how i know it doesn't dhcp | 18:27 |
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| clarkb | if it is then tcpdump qbr and vetha/br1 | 18:28 |
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| crinkle | clarkb: did the qbr, shows requests and no replies | 18:29 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: kk | 18:29 |
| * greghaynes can look | 18:29 | |
| crinkle | clarkb: tcpdump on the veth1/2 says device is not up, which is true in ip link | 18:29 |
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| greghaynes | crinkle: oh, well thar ya go | 18:31 |
| greghaynes | ip link set dev veth1 up | 18:32 |
| greghaynes | and veth2 | 18:32 |
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| rcarrillocruz | greghaynes: went thru \o/ | 18:32 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: and the compute probably is the same | 18:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for tempest boto image 404 in cleanup bug 1494865 https://review.openstack.org/222732 | 18:33 |
| openstack | bug 1494865 in tempest "boto thirdparty tests sometimes fail in teardown due to a 404 when deregistering images" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1494865 | 18:33 |
| crinkle | greghaynes: yep | 18:33 |
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| greghaynes | crinkle: that looks like a reply/ | 18:35 |
| crinkle | woot | 18:35 |
| crinkle | well wait | 18:35 |
| crinkle | it's from the external dhcp server | 18:35 |
| crinkle | is that what we want? | 18:35 |
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| greghaynes | oh, woops, we probabl shouldnt be running a dhcp server on that interface any more | 18:36 |
| mmmpork | are openstack planet changes automatically merged, or do they need a +2? | 18:36 |
| greghaynes | thats leftover from when we were messing with bifrost | 18:36 |
| mmmpork | yes it looks like they do, i just answered my own question :) | 18:36 |
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| mmmpork | how do i find out who the +2 people are? | 18:37 |
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| Clint | mmmpork: click on the project whatsit | 18:37 |
| clarkb | haha | 18:37 |
| clarkb | but at least you know it has network connectivity :) | 18:37 |
| mriedem | mordred: in your vein of nice bug and commit titles, would "neutron db deadlocks too gd much" be appropriate? | 18:37 |
| mmmpork | https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/projects/openstack/openstack-planet ? | 18:37 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: ok, stopped them | 18:38 |
| Clint | mmmpork: then click access | 18:38 |
| mmmpork | i don't see any names there | 18:38 |
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| Clint | then click on the groups | 18:38 |
| mmmpork | it helps if i'm logged in | 18:38 |
| mmmpork | haha | 18:38 |
| mmmpork | oh i guess it doesn't matter nm | 18:38 |
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| mmmpork | aha! | 18:39 |
| mmmpork | dude thanks | 18:39 |
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| Clint | it's clickrific | 18:40 |
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| mmmpork | ok i just added a few people | 18:41 |
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| pleia2 | mmmpork: fwiw, I don't really pay attention when people add me to reviews | 18:43 |
| pleia2 | I have a system! | 18:43 |
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| mmmpork | ahh ok, i wsn't sure how this works | 18:43 |
| pleia2 | and you typically don't review your own patches :) | 18:43 |
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| clarkb | can someone else confirm that the line wrap on line 1470 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203524/14/gerrit/projects.yaml is cool iwth yaml? | 18:43 |
| mmmpork | hahah | 18:43 |
| clarkb | fungi: ^ | 18:43 |
| clarkb | I did test it interactively with python and it seems to work | 18:43 |
| mmmpork | it said "needs workflow" so i thought i needed to explicitly say that | 18:43 |
| clarkb | (this is for todays project renames) | 18:44 |
| mmmpork | the "0 ready for reviews" option | 18:44 |
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| mmmpork | pleia2: why does it still say "need verified" if you +2'ed it? | 18:44 |
| fungi | clarkb: well, it's not the only one in that file doing that | 18:44 |
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| pleia2 | mmmpork: yeah, "needs workflow" means someone needs to approve it | 18:45 |
| clarkb | fungi: oh then that should confirm it | 18:45 |
| fungi | clarkb: see stackforge/merlin there in the context around magnetodb | 18:45 |
| mmmpork | oh, you were listed in infra-core and that was in the access thingy | 18:45 |
| clarkb | fungi: will do thanks | 18:45 |
| clarkb | today I learned a new thing about yaml strings | 18:45 |
| pleia2 | mmmpork: we have a social policy of requiring 2 +2s for a change to be accepted, so I can +2 it, then another core has to +2 it and can +A (approve, gets Workflow checkmark) | 18:46 |
| mmmpork | ohhhhh | 18:46 |
| Clint | and then zuul will give it +2 Verified after that | 18:46 |
| pleia2 | and then it merges! | 18:47 |
| mmmpork | fungi: i tagged you as well as a reviewer but if you're busy don't worry about it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222718/ | 18:47 |
| Clint | bam | 18:47 |
| mmmpork | magic! | 18:47 |
| nibalizer | Clint: ya its fine | 18:47 |
| Clint | nibalizer: who what now? | 18:47 |
| nibalizer | also that looks to be just moved code not changed code | 18:47 |
| nibalizer | er clarkb | 18:47 |
| zaro | nibalizer: : is the convention to place all required params at the very top of the param list? | 18:48 |
| nibalizer | ya I prefer it, I wouldn't -1 for it though | 18:48 |
| crinkle | zaro: yes https://docs.puppetlabs.com/guides/style_guide.html#display-order-of-parameters | 18:48 |
| nibalizer | I believe one of the style guides wants it too | 18:49 |
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| zaro | thanks. | 18:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | sebastian marcet proposed openstack-infra/openstackid-resources: Summit Application API https://review.openstack.org/221964 | 18:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Khai Do proposed openstack-infra/puppet-gerrit: Allow puppet to configure 'Report Bug' in Gerrit UI. https://review.openstack.org/221388 | 18:56 |
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| fungi | i've added a draft maintenance plan to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/project-renames-Septemeber-2015 for review | 18:58 |
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| clarkb | I am still working through the changes but will read that after | 18:58 |
| anteaya | fungi: thank you | 18:59 |
| * anteaya reviews | 18:59 | |
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| anteaya | fungi: thanks for the patch with the scripts | 19:02 |
| fungi | no problem | 19:02 |
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| bltavare_ | rcarrillocruz: there is a '\n'.join a few lines below. would it append two '\n' if there are more than one key? | 19:03 |
| clarkb | out of curiousity, did we really bikeshed an 's' out of apps-catalog when moving it to openstack/ ? | 19:03 |
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| bltavares | rcarrillocruz: it seems it is only skiping the \n on the last item | 19:04 |
| * clarkb is just grumpy that that makes the move more difficult | 19:04 | |
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| fungi | clarkb: i guess so | 19:04 |
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| fungi | i think a couple projects took the namespace move as an opportunity to rename their repos | 19:05 |
| openstackgerrit | K Jonathan Harker proposed openstack-infra/puppet-logstash: Create a class to install and run curator https://review.openstack.org/222741 | 19:05 |
| openstackgerrit | K Jonathan Harker proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Switch from a cron to curator https://review.openstack.org/222742 | 19:06 |
| fungi | except some of them also did it well in advance in governance, which means some of their contributors might have been missed for summit passes | 19:06 |
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| anteaya | fungi: line 235 in the etherpad | 19:09 |
| anteaya | I just want to confirm it needs to be there | 19:09 |
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| mtreinish | clarkb, mordred, fungi, dstufft: simple pip question I know you can do something like this: https://review.openstack.org/222740 | 19:10 |
| mtreinish | but clearly thats not right because it's failing: https://jenkins03.openstack.org/job/gate-tempest-pep8/4010/console | 19:10 |
| mtreinish | what am I missing? | 19:10 |
| clarkb | mtreinish: I think you need -e git+https | 19:10 |
| dstufft | or #egg=whatever | 19:11 |
| dstufft | but uh | 19:11 |
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| dstufft | is this a real requirements.txt or a pbr reuqirements.txt that is actually a install_requires | 19:11 |
| docaedo | clarkb: yes, dropped the 's'. what's wrong with occasionally repainting your bike shed?? | 19:12 |
| mtreinish | well tempest uses pbr, so I'll assume it's an install_requires | 19:12 |
| dstufft | then you can't do that | 19:12 |
| dstufft | install_requires doens't support "concrete" dependencies | 19:12 |
| dstufft | https://caremad.io/2013/07/setup-vs-requirement/ | 19:12 |
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| clarkb | docaedo: its work for me that is unnecessary | 19:13 |
| clarkb | its unfortunately that gerrit makes this so hard because everyone seems to think they should rename their projects at least once | 19:13 |
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| clarkb | but now is the time to do it | 19:13 |
| clarkb | then never again :) | 19:14 |
| anteaya | last call to climb in on rename patch reviews: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/project-renames-Septemeber-2015 | 19:14 |
| mtreinish | dstufft: ah, ok good to know | 19:14 |
| anteaya | at this point the only comment I'm interested in is if the patch will break the rename | 19:14 |
| mtreinish | I can probably work around that by just having tox install it in the venv | 19:14 |
| anteaya | all else, like spelling mistakes, can be fixed in a follow up patch | 19:14 |
| docaedo | clarkb: ah sorry :( we had been wanting to rename for a long time (I know very minor, but ..) jeblair suggested to do it as part of the move, rather than try to make that happen at a later date. We will never change name again, I swear! | 19:14 |
| clarkb | docaedo: in particular we have to make sure we deal with the group renames properly so its an added step on top of the move, but its only one added step once rather than effectively two renames on different dates so good to get it done now | 19:15 |
| anteaya | reminder 50 minutes until project-config patch approval freeze | 19:15 |
| fungi | anteaya: thanks for spotting the extra template line there. i've removed it now | 19:16 |
| anteaya | fungi: thank you | 19:16 |
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| docaedo | clarkb: understood. I will make amends by sharing homebrew or buying you a beer at commons in the near future | 19:17 |
| anteaya | fungi: that was my only question from reviewing your workflow cut and paste | 19:17 |
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| clarkb | docaedo: ha np | 19:17 |
| clarkb | anteaya: yes, I have been avoiding comments like "we should really gat eon this top since its a check job" or "we can use the python-jobs zuul template here | 19:18 |
| clarkb | anteaya: :) | 19:18 |
| clarkb | apparently kolla doesn't have a client | 19:19 |
| sdake_ | clarkb yes we are a deployment tool not a server | 19:19 |
| anteaya | clarkb: thanks | 19:19 |
| clarkb | sdake_: ya I think I always get magnum and kolla confused because containers and lots of rhel | 19:20 |
| sdake_ | ;-) | 19:20 |
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| sdake | i've pretty much had my fill of containers | 19:20 |
| anteaya | clarkb: I agree some jobs clean up is in order | 19:20 |
| anteaya | clarkb: but not today | 19:21 |
| clarkb | anteaya: and probably as general cleanup not specific to these projects | 19:21 |
| fungi | sdake: you mean to say that you're now fully contained? | 19:21 |
| anteaya | we need some general housecleaning yes we do | 19:21 |
| sdake | fungi something like that | 19:21 |
| clarkb | anteaya: all of the listed changes look good to me and the listed group renames appear to be complete and correct | 19:23 |
| clarkb | anteaya: it does include the -ci group rename too | 19:23 |
| anteaya | I thought containers were magickal rainbow ponies and so on | 19:23 |
| anteaya | clarkb: yay \o/ | 19:23 |
| clarkb | anteaya: only if you don't put your glasses on | 19:23 |
| anteaya | clarkb: thanks for checking that | 19:23 |
| kfox1111 | sdake: the hype of containers wearing off? :) | 19:23 |
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| anteaya | ah haha | 19:23 |
| sdake | not hype containers are legit kfox1111 | 19:23 |
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| sdake | building containers and deploying openstack in a loop 75 tims a day = boring | 19:24 |
| kfox1111 | oh, I agree. I use them in production. | 19:24 |
| clarkb | sdake: just 75? | 19:24 |
| kfox1111 | but there was a ton of hype about them, whith no mention about their drawbacks. | 19:24 |
| sdake | there is some manual debuggin in there clarkb ;) | 19:24 |
| clarkb | sdake: infra can do it for you upwards of 25k times per day ;) | 19:24 |
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| anteaya | hype has no drawbacks | 19:24 |
| clarkb | though that may not be true while jenkins masters keep falling over | 19:24 |
| anteaya | everyone can have some | 19:24 |
| clarkb | :/ | 19:24 |
| kfox1111 | they are great for deploying clusters of things. they are more difficult to keep up to date then folks claim. | 19:24 |
| clarkb | kfox1111: yes that! | 19:24 |
| anteaya | and noone is responible | 19:24 |
| clarkb | kfox1111: they have a lot of the same problems that you have elsewhere, fix a couple, and add new ones. Great if you are aware of that | 19:25 |
| clarkb | not so grat if you expect docker run to work you out of a job | 19:25 |
| kfox1111 | the docker hub has one major thing missing before it becomes much much more useful. | 19:25 |
| kfox1111 | they autorebuild containers if a git repo changes. | 19:25 |
| clarkb | kfox1111: up to date images? :) | 19:25 |
| fungi | kfox1111: apparently the container answer to a security vulnerability in some small corner of your container is to blow it away and rebuild it. that seems like an interesting scaling challenge unless you're all cattle and no pets | 19:25 |
| sdake | kfox1111 i use alocal registry | 19:25 |
| clarkb | iirc something like 2/3 of all images there are found to have security vulnerabitlies | 19:25 |
| kfox1111 | but they don't auto rebuild when packages in the repo get updated. | 19:25 |
| kfox1111 | like, security patches from redhat. | 19:26 |
| anteaya | fungi so clarkb is now +2 on all the patches as well as myself | 19:26 |
| clarkb | kfox1111: right | 19:26 |
| clarkb | and it leads to lots of stale vulnerable images | 19:26 |
| kfox1111 | once they have that, then I think they will really have something amazing. | 19:26 |
| sdake | container security is an unsolved problem afaik | 19:27 |
| kfox1111 | until then, they have a recipe for security attacks. | 19:27 |
| anteaya | I thought that wasn't an issue, because speed | 19:27 |
| kfox1111 | only works if you are developing constantly and redeploying. once you become productinish, changes happen less frequently. | 19:28 |
| kfox1111 | then something else has to drive your updates. | 19:28 |
| fungi | add to that, containerization itself provides interesting attack surfaces for escaping and gaining control of the host (until recently at least, even worse than for virtualization hypervisors) | 19:28 |
| anteaya | oh nice | 19:28 |
| clarkb | but they do have some benefits | 19:28 |
| anteaya | speed apparently | 19:28 |
| kfox1111 | I was really hoping kolla would push supported container images. | 19:28 |
| clarkb | the pairing of chroot like thing with process management makes it easy to run a mysql for nodepool tests for example | 19:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Update HAProxy module to 1.3.0 https://review.openstack.org/160062 | 19:29 |
| sdake | kfox1111 maybe in liberty | 19:29 |
| kfox1111 | because then there is a chance for them to be continuously updated/kept secure. | 19:29 |
| jeblair | clarkb, anteaya: i'm going to change topics on all the patches for easy querying | 19:29 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ++ | 19:29 |
| anteaya | jeblair: okey dokey | 19:29 |
| kfox1111 | otherwise, the users have to do it themselves, which means it won't get done in a lot of cases. :/ | 19:29 |
| jeblair | (project-rename) | 19:29 |
| fungi | so stale vulnerable service in one container plus leak from container context equals compromise of non-vulnerable containers on same host | 19:29 |
| sdake | kfox1111 our architecture has changed signficantly - hard to have a supported container when the api keeps changing to said container | 19:29 |
| clarkb | whihc is how I think sdake is using them | 19:29 |
| anteaya | jeblair: has a nice ring to it | 19:29 |
| clarkb | its a fancy chrooted package install of openstack components with service restarts built in | 19:29 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. understood. hopefully, after the config style change, that should stablalize? | 19:30 |
| sdake | kfox1111 i'd push the version to 1.0 of kolla but i'm not quite sure we are settled on the container api | 19:30 |
| sdake | but we are really close to being settled | 19:30 |
| kfox1111 | it would be awesome to be able to download an exact kolla binary image that openstack infra tested. :) | 19:30 |
| kfox1111 | nice. :) | 19:30 |
| sdake | that is harder, because push takes 5 hours | 19:30 |
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| sdake | if push takes 5 hours, its hard to push per commit because infra jobs can only run 90 mins | 19:31 |
| clarkb | fungi: are we really going to graceuflly stop zuul? I think those steps are out of date for how we typically hard stop after recording pipeline state? | 19:31 |
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| kfox1111 | stdake: didn't mean trunk. just the official releases. | 19:31 |
| fungi | clarkb: agreed, that part of the document could use improving as well | 19:31 |
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| kfox1111 | so like 2015.1.0, 2015.1.1, 2015.2.0, etc. | 19:32 |
| sdake | kfox1111 maybe it is possible to add a post job for tags, not sure | 19:32 |
| clarkb | sdake: it takes 5 hours to upload to docker hub? | 19:32 |
| clarkb | how big are your images? | 19:32 |
| sdake | clarkb yup | 19:32 |
| sdake | about 800mb * 90 | 19:32 |
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| clarkb | you have 90 images? | 19:32 |
| fungi | clarkb: at the moment this is just the steps cut-and-pasted from our documentation | 19:32 |
| sdake | roger | 19:32 |
| clarkb | you don't think that is a little overboard? | 19:32 |
| sdake | blame it on openstack | 19:32 |
| clarkb | sdake: I don't follow | 19:32 |
| kfox1111 | sdake: um, that seems too large... don't you share a common base image with the shared stuff in it? | 19:32 |
| sdake | that is just for one distro for one install type | 19:32 |
| clarkb | sdake: you make a controller image, a compute image, and a storage image | 19:32 |
| clarkb | sdake: then just enable and disable portions of the underlying image | 19:33 |
| sdake | clarkb nah we break things up into microservices | 19:33 |
| clarkb | much much easier to juggle | 19:33 |
| sdake | but ya i get what your syaing | 19:33 |
| kfox1111 | should be like 1 800mb and several 10ish? | 19:33 |
| clarkb | sdake: yes you can still do that | 19:33 |
| clarkb | sdake: but instead of 90 * 800mb you get 3 * 900mb | 19:33 |
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| sdake | there is also anetwork node | 19:33 |
| sdake | we have talked aobut that model, but it doesn't fit nicely with our docker files | 19:33 |
| clarkb | sdake: either roll that into controller or add a 4th | 19:33 |
| clarkb | but you don't need 90... | 19:34 |
| clarkb | thats insane | 19:34 |
| fungi | wow, a 72 gigabyte download to run containerized openstack? | 19:34 |
| sdake | its about 38 gb | 19:34 |
| kfox1111 | 90's fine, so long as they share a base image. should have all the common bits in the base. | 19:34 |
| clarkb | how do you keep 90 images up to date if it takes 5 hours just to start a security vulnerability atch update? | 19:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Adam Coldrick proposed openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient: Render descriptions and comments as Markdown https://review.openstack.org/222709 | 19:34 |
| sdake | docker v2 registry doesn't properly do uploads, it reuploads everything | 19:34 |
| clarkb | kfox1111: except they must not if it takes that log to upload? | 19:34 |
| clarkb | oh its a docker issue | 19:34 |
| clarkb | well then I think my point still stands | 19:34 |
| sdake | we take patches;-) | 19:35 |
| kfox1111 | docker can share base images, so say, you make a base that starts at centos 7, then instals python, openstack common packages, | 19:35 |
| clarkb | kfox1111: yes I know, but if that was the case you would only upload the delta between base centos7 and the other things | 19:35 |
| kfox1111 | then all the service containers source from the openstack-common kolloa container instead of the raw centos one. | 19:35 |
| sdake | ya the base image could contain everything then the layer above could only contain the stuff for the particular container | 19:35 |
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| clarkb | kfox1111: which should take far less than 5 hours, but apparently docker tooling uploads the whole thing | 19:35 |
| sdake | we do that sort of, but have a bae per sevice | 19:35 |
| sdake | clarkb thats accurate atm | 19:36 |
| rm_work | any chance we could move this along so we can get further on our testing in LBaaS? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222374/ | 19:36 |
| clarkb | thats too bad | 19:36 |
| rm_work | any reviews appreciated | 19:36 |
| kfox1111 | clarkb: I have'nt experienced that when I was building images. It says it is, but then passes quickly since it checks checkums if its already up. | 19:36 |
| sdake | our model of having separate base images per container is actually much faster | 19:36 |
| clarkb | kfox1111: I am just going off of what sdake says | 19:36 |
| sdake | to download | 19:36 |
| clarkb | kfox1111: and how it takes 5 hours | 19:36 |
| sdake | to download it takes about 10 minutes | 19:37 |
| clarkb | maybe docker hub has a non symettric pipe on their end? | 19:37 |
| sdake | possible | 19:37 |
| sdake | it is based upon aws storage | 19:37 |
| sdake | it takes me 30 minutes to upload to my local registry | 19:37 |
| sdake | so the registrysoftware docker runs is definately pokey at scale | 19:38 |
| kfox1111 | I could see it being faster to download if your only doing a few containers. but if your doing a controller with the whole set of services, it would be way bigger, so should take longer then a shared base? | 19:38 |
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| sdake | nah downloads only download the differences inteh layers | 19:38 |
| sdake | so its about the same amount of data | 19:39 |
| sdake | butcan run in parallel | 19:39 |
| sdake | although we don't parallel download ;) | 19:39 |
| kfox1111 | you can also nest base images if that helps too. so you do what your doing now, bupt pull the most common bits to its own shared image. | 19:39 |
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| kfox1111 | ah. ok. | 19:39 |
| sdake | ya we do that at various levels in teh system | 19:39 |
| sdake | we have a base image, then an openstack-base, then a service-base, then a service-engine/api/etc | 19:39 |
| sdake | base and openstack-base are shared by all images | 19:39 |
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| sdake | service-bae is shared by service-api/engine/etc | 19:39 |
| clarkb | fungi: updated etherpad with what I think is more current zuul stopping procedure | 19:40 |
| kfox1111 | ah. cool. | 19:40 |
| sdake | but docker hub uploads the base each time because - its busted! | 19:40 |
| fungi | clarkb: those edits to step #3 would probably be good to submit to system-config too | 19:40 |
| clarkb | fungi: yup will followup there now | 19:40 |
| fungi | thanks! | 19:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Rodrigo Barbieri proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Rename Manila CI jobs https://review.openstack.org/221880 | 19:40 |
| kfox1111 | hmm.. is there another option then... could openstack itself provide a hub like endpoint to host the container images for pulling? | 19:40 |
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| clarkb | I will put zuul-changes in zuul/tools as well | 19:40 |
| fungi | oh, excellent idea | 19:41 |
| sdake | kfox what would more immateily help us is mirroring our upstream rpm repos and whatnot so we can make our gate voting ;) | 19:41 |
| sdake | atm the upstream mirror goes away, and all gating fails | 19:41 |
| fungi | clarkb: like https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/zuul/tree/tools/zuul-changes.py ? | 19:41 |
| sdake | because they have a maintenanc window or something | 19:41 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya but thats the old version iirc | 19:41 |
| fungi | aha | 19:42 |
| clarkb | I will diff and check | 19:42 |
| fungi | good call | 19:42 |
| rm_work | anteaya: maybe you could help me out? :P https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222374/ | 19:42 |
| kfox1111 | sdake: ah. yeah, I can see that being a problem. :/ | 19:42 |
| anteaya | rm_work: we are close to a project-config freeze | 19:42 |
| rm_work | (continuing with the month long process of fixing the barbican gate and then getting it into neutron-lbaas) | 19:42 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: so, cloud working now? | 19:42 |
| sdake | kfox1111 until we have mirross in infra of our upstreams, our gating will never be voting | 19:42 |
| rm_work | anteaya: CLOSE, but not AT? :P | 19:42 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: time to point nodepool at it? :p | 19:42 |
| rm_work | then that makes this especially important, we need this for Liberty RC-1 | 19:43 |
| crinkle | greghaynes: ha | 19:43 |
| fungi | rm_work: the freeze is only until ~00:00 utc | 19:43 |
| clarkb | I can help with that | 19:43 |
| clarkb | crinkle: ^ | 19:43 |
| rm_work | oh ok | 19:43 |
| rm_work | not a freeze until Liberty ends :P | 19:43 |
| anteaya | rm_work: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/073049.html | 19:43 |
| fungi | just lining up changes in the repo for a maintenance window | 19:43 |
| rm_work | alright, good luck! I'll leave you alone then | 19:44 |
| crinkle | greghaynes: it's definitely closer | 19:44 |
| crinkle | greghaynes: the dhcp request is making it to the controller | 19:44 |
| greghaynes | \O/ | 19:44 |
| rm_work | oh this applies to ALL projects because it is *gerrit* | 19:44 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: I noticed the dnsmasq there looked like it was bound to an interface that doesnt exist | 19:44 |
| crinkle | greghaynes: but not to the namespaced dhcp interface | 19:44 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: oh, thats a network namespace | 19:45 |
| clarkb | fungi: zuul/tools/zuul-changes.py appears correct will update etherpad then push change to system-cofngi | 19:45 |
| clarkb | the only delta is pep8 relate | 19:45 |
| fungi | perfect | 19:45 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: so dnsmasq accepts a network ns as --interface? (just looking at the dnsmasq command in ps) | 19:46 |
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| crinkle | greghaynes: yes i think so | 19:46 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: yea, ok, looks like it should work to me... | 19:49 |
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| greghaynes | crinkle: do you see the request inside the netns? | 19:49 |
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| crinkle | greghaynes: nope | 19:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Update zuul stop/start docs during project rename https://review.openstack.org/222750 | 19:50 |
| clarkb | fungi: ^ | 19:50 |
| crinkle | greghaynes: scroll up on that buffer you can see the tcpdump in the namespace | 19:51 |
| anteaya | clarkb: commented | 19:51 |
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| clarkb | anteaya: its still a graceful stop it just doesn't happen automatically because automatic graceful is slow | 19:52 |
| clarkb | I guess I should use invoke-rc.d though | 19:52 |
| * clarkb updates | 19:52 | |
| anteaya | clarkb: faster graceful | 19:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Update zuul stop/start docs during project rename https://review.openstack.org/222750 | 19:53 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: and how were you making it re-dhcp? | 19:53 |
| fungi | or we can update the whole document to use service instead of invoke-rc.d now that debian and derivatives have it by default | 19:53 |
| crinkle | greghaynes: just booting another node | 19:53 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: oh, I see something | 19:54 |
| crinkle | greghaynes: but you can vnc into an existing one and ifup | 19:54 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: why do we have veth2.25 on the controller | 19:54 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: and on the compute | 19:54 |
| crinkle | greghaynes: because veth2 is the interface we gave it and linuxbridge-agent creates veth2.25 | 19:54 |
| crinkle | since we created a network with segmentation id 25 | 19:55 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: ok, so that isnt what we want it to do | 19:55 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: were double vlaning | 19:55 |
| fungi | q-in-q is teh debbil | 19:56 |
| clarkb | ya don't tlel linuxbridge agent that any vlan exists | 19:56 |
| greghaynes | q-in-q -> QQ | 19:56 |
| crinkle | i experimented with making a flat network with no vlan and it stole the interface and locked me out | 19:57 |
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| greghaynes | crinkle: wah, it definitely shouldnt steal anything if were telling it the provider network is veth2 | 19:57 |
| clarkb | crinkle: thats why we made the switch setup | 19:57 |
| clarkb | to avoid it doing that to you | 19:57 |
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| crinkle | greghaynes: clarkb okay gotcha, this was before veth2 | 19:57 |
| greghaynes | yea, in the prev setup we were telling it to play with the bridge we also had configured for our l3 access | 19:58 |
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| nibalizer | greghaynes: this is what i was trying to explain like 2 hours ago | 20:01 |
| greghaynes | nibalizer: ? That we shouldnt double vlan | 20:01 |
| nibalizer | its gonna try to do 802.11q over the physical interface | 20:01 |
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| greghaynes | why? | 20:02 |
| nibalizer | i dont know why it does that, but it does do that, and its wrong | 20:02 |
| greghaynes | ok | 20:02 |
| clarkb | tell it not too... | 20:02 |
| * fungi hopes it's 802.1q and not actually 802.11q | 20:02 | |
| clarkb | neutron doesn't require you to tag things | 20:02 |
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| fungi | wondering whether wireless vlan tags are a thing | 20:03 |
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| nibalizer | fungi: probably yes | 20:04 |
| nibalizer | i derped | 20:04 |
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| clarkb | fungi: the plan doc portion of the etherpad lgtm | 20:05 |
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| clarkb | I am trying to figur eout if we can propose the .gitreview change before the things change but then git review will read the bad .gitreview | 20:06 |
| clarkb | so maybe not | 20:06 |
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| anteaya | we are into project-config approval freeze until after gerrit is back up about 23:30 or so: fungi clarkb jeblair mordred pleia2 jhesketh SergeyLukjanov sdague | 20:06 |
| anteaya | ianw: ^^ | 20:06 |
| clarkb | noted | 20:06 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i think you can propose it | 20:06 |
| fungi | clarkb: no need, i just generate them in a loop locally and push them up after the rename. it's a good chance to test out the plumbing and catch oopsies early | 20:06 |
| clarkb | jeblair: you'd have to push directly | 20:06 |
| clarkb | rathre than use git review | 20:06 |
| clarkb | which is doable | 20:06 |
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| anteaya | we have no project-config patches being tested, I have to go help with a pool cover and will rebase upon my return | 20:07 |
| jeblair | clarkb: you don't need a .gitreview file to push, you only need it for initial setup. you can 'git review -s' first if you are working on a new repo | 20:07 |
| anteaya | unless someone else would like to rebase | 20:07 |
| anteaya | in which case go ahead | 20:07 |
| anteaya | just tell me | 20:07 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: oh right because it sets the remote up and relies on that | 20:07 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yup. having said that, fungi makes a good point about pushing after rename to exercise zuul config, etc. | 20:07 |
| mtreinish | anteaya: if you get a sec can you take a look at: https://review.openstack.org/217416 and https://review.openstack.org/208389 | 20:08 |
| anteaya | mtreinish: after pool cover | 20:08 |
| mtreinish | they're 2 project add patches that'll be good to get in soon | 20:08 |
| mtreinish | anteaya: ok, thanks | 20:08 |
| clarkb | jeblair: fungi ya its a good test | 20:08 |
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| pabelanger | Does nodepool have a timeout value when building a DIB? | 20:17 |
| pabelanger | don't see anything specific to build timeouts | 20:18 |
| fungi | jeblair: clarkb: in fact i was just grooming my local repo clones in preparation for staging those .gitreview changes | 20:18 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: no I don't think it does | 20:18 |
| mmmpork | if anyone with +2 has a few minutes to spare, i have this change request in to add my blog to planet openstack - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222718/ | 20:18 |
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| pabelanger | clarkb: Ya, that's what it looks like. Think I have a stuck dib, going to leave it for a bit and see if there is a cleanup | 20:19 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: check the log? | 20:20 |
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| pabelanger | clarkb: nothing specific, looks to be blocked on disk-image-create but no process are running | 20:21 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: the image log should show you what dib is running | 20:21 |
| pabelanger | right | 20:21 |
| pabelanger | 2015-09-11 20:02:33,827 INFO nodepool.image.build.centos-6: + sudo mount --bind /opt/nodepool/cache/ccache /tmp/image.Bq7uEUHM/mnt/tmp/ccache | 20:21 |
| pabelanger | is the last item | 20:21 |
| jeblair | mmmpork: can you remove the test post? | 20:21 |
| mmmpork | yes! | 20:21 |
| mmmpork | sorry about that! | 20:22 |
| mmmpork | done! | 20:22 |
| jeblair | mmmpork: +3! | 20:22 |
| mmmpork | thanks so much! | 20:22 |
| Clint | maybe i should hire mmmpork to shepherd my patches | 20:22 |
| mmmpork | haha it'll be my new side business | 20:23 |
| mmmpork | patch-envoy.biz | 20:23 |
| * Clint twitches. | 20:23 | |
| jeblair | Clint: i'm a sucker for openstack-planet patches | 20:23 |
| Clint | good to know | 20:23 |
| fungi | git-herder.org! | 20:23 |
| mmmpork | patch-rabbit! | 20:24 |
| mmmpork | as part of my new community member onboarding goals for myself, i'm writing articles about my experiences with different openstacky things (and doing tutorials) | 20:25 |
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| pleia2 | mmmpork: looking forward to reading them! | 20:25 |
| mmmpork | yeah i'm working on one about my first patch | 20:25 |
| mmmpork | i hope to turn it into a talk in the future | 20:25 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: check to see if that was actually mounted? | 20:25 |
| mtreinish | mmmpork: you should read my blog post and help me with one of the things listed there: http://blog.kortar.org/?p=212 | 20:26 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: might also check syslog/dmesg for errors with mount | 20:26 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: I think the periodic cleanup will catch it. | 20:26 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: ya, looking now | 20:26 |
| mtreinish | because that whole thing was a failed ad to try and get new contributors :) | 20:26 |
| mmmpork | hahaaha | 20:26 |
| mmmpork | i'll take a look and incorporate it into the "ideas for things to work on" section | 20:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add non-voting puppet-4 apply jobs for infra https://review.openstack.org/175229 | 20:27 |
| mtreinish | cool, thanks | 20:27 |
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| mmmpork | i did something similar with Perl, created a how to get started talk and introduced a few projects that had a low bar to entry and needed contributors | 20:27 |
| mtreinish | heh, I'm not sure I can actually say the bar to entry is low. | 20:28 |
| mtreinish | but I can promise fast review time, and loose standards :) | 20:28 |
| mmmpork | well "low" | 20:28 |
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| anteaya | mtreinish: we are in approval freeze for project-config right now, until after the renames are finished | 20:29 |
| anteaya | I will rebase the patches now | 20:29 |
| fungi | thanks anteaya | 20:29 |
| mtreinish | anteaya: ok cool, thanks | 20:29 |
| mtreinish | anteaya: the first 1 would be good to get before the sprint | 20:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Antoine Musso proposed openstack-infra/nodepool: Create /opt/nodepool-scripts in ready step https://review.openstack.org/222759 | 20:29 |
| mtreinish | but the other one is lower prio since there isn't actually any code in the repo yet :) | 20:30 |
| anteaya | mtreinish: ack | 20:30 |
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| hashar | clarkb: fungi: I found another nodepool fails to create a dir. This time in ready step, it assumes /opt/nodepool-script exists, which might not be the case if dib or setup did not create it :-} https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222759/ | 20:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anita Kuno proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Move from stackforge/magnetodb to openstack/magnetodb https://review.openstack.org/203524 | 20:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Anita Kuno proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Rename stackforge/apps-catalog{,-ui} https://review.openstack.org/220660 | 20:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Anita Kuno proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Move Kolla to the openstack git namespace https://review.openstack.org/209343 | 20:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Anita Kuno proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Rename stackforge/os-ansible-deployment{,specs} https://review.openstack.org/200730 | 20:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Anita Kuno proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Rename & move neutron-powervm to networking-powervm https://review.openstack.org/206662 | 20:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Anita Kuno proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Move refstack and refstack-client to the openstack git namespace. https://review.openstack.org/221499 | 20:35 |
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| clarkb | hashar: I am wondering why we don't just write to /opt/nodepool-scripts to start | 20:35 |
| clarkb | hashar: but your change should be safe so +1 | 20:36 |
| anteaya | fungi: this is the head of the stack if you want to remove your -2 from the rest: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201287/11 | 20:36 |
| hashar | yeah I am wondering as well | 20:36 |
| clarkb | er +2 | 20:36 |
| fungi | anteaya: will do, thanks | 20:36 |
| hashar | clarkb: the dib + setup + ready steps are rather confusing to me | 20:37 |
| clarkb | hashar: it might be a perimssions thing, I bet thats it | 20:37 |
| clarkb | hashar: its cpying to scripts bceause it can writ ethere as the scp user, then it sudo's the move | 20:37 |
| anteaya | thanks | 20:37 |
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| clarkb | hashar: ready should be the same regardless of dib or snapshot | 20:37 |
| anteaya | I didn't have any conflicts so didn't edit any files | 20:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add non-voting puppet-4 apply jobs for infra https://review.openstack.org/175229 | 20:37 |
| clarkb | hashar: then dib replaces the setup script | 20:37 |
| anteaya | eyes on the rebased patches appreciated though | 20:37 |
| clarkb | hashar: so you only use setup script when making snapshots | 20:37 |
| hashar | clarkb: oh ready step is run as the jenkins user ? | 20:38 |
| clarkb | and when you dib you give it a list of elements that make an image instead | 20:38 |
| clarkb | hashar: yes, so I am sure that is hwy it works that way | 20:38 |
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| claudiub|2 | anteaya: hi. if you have a little bit of time, could you take a look at a project repo proposal? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209204/ | 20:38 |
| hashar | clarkb: so I guess my script should ensure the parent dir /opt/nodepool-scripts has proper rights | 20:38 |
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| clarkb | hashar: ya it should be 555 at least I think | 20:39 |
| clarkb | which may already be the case depending on default umasks | 20:39 |
| clarkb | I want ot say default is something like 222 | 20:39 |
| clarkb | in many places | 20:39 |
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| pleia2 | claudiub|2: where is the project on pypi? | 20:40 |
| pleia2 | claudiub|2: or still not set up? | 20:40 |
| anteaya | claudiub|2: we are getting ready for a gerrit downtime and project rename, after that is done I have time to look at other patches | 20:40 |
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| hashar | clarkb: ah I see references to /opt/nodepool-scripts/prepare_devstack.sh . So I am wrong :( | 20:41 |
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| claudiub|2 | pleia2: oups, you are right. the repo name changed a few times, I forgot to create page for the latest name. Will be ready in 2 minutes. | 20:41 |
| clarkb | hashar oh ok so that change isnt needed | 20:42 |
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| hashar | clarkb: abandoned. sorry for the interupt | 20:42 |
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| clarkb | np | 20:43 |
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| anteaya | fungi clarkb just went through all the patches after the rebase, I didn't see anything new and unexpected show up | 20:45 |
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| claudiub|2 | pleia2: done! | 20:51 |
| claudiub|2 | pleia2: links are as described in the commit message | 20:51 |
| openstackgerrit | sebastian marcet proposed openstack-infra/openstackid: OIDC - OpenId Connect Implementation https://review.openstack.org/198458 | 20:51 |
| pleia2 | claudiub|2: thanks, that helps | 20:52 |
| fungi | anteaya: same, and i've +3'd all but the keypatch | 20:55 |
| fungi | so approving that one during the maintenance should enqueue them all | 20:55 |
| anteaya | fungi: awesome | 20:59 |
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| anteaya | I also have that expectation | 20:59 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: thanks for all your work on this | 20:59 |
| anteaya | fungi clarkb can you think of anything else that needs to be done | 20:59 |
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| anteaya | pleia2: my pleasure, you have still be tidying up translations, how is that going? | 21:00 |
| clarkb | anteaya nope I think you have us ready | 21:00 |
| anteaya | clarkb: awesome | 21:00 |
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| pleia2 | anteaya: just finishing up an email and then I'm wrapped up with translations for the week | 21:00 |
| anteaya | pleia2: yay! | 21:00 |
| fungi | anteaya: i've got a script queued up to push the 16 .gitreview updates for step 17 now | 21:00 |
| anteaya | pleia2: and you are off Monday you said? | 21:00 |
| anteaya | pleia2: temple and food? | 21:00 |
| fungi | anteaya: and i'm checking the requirements repo now | 21:00 |
| anteaya | fungi: lovely | 21:00 |
| anteaya | cool | 21:01 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: yep | 21:01 |
| anteaya | fungi: let me know if you want eyes on anything | 21:01 |
| anteaya | pleia2: fun | 21:01 |
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| anteaya | I'm trying to remember my September holidays | 21:01 |
| clarkb | and tuesday we switch all project syncing to zanata | 21:01 |
| anteaya | wooooo | 21:01 |
| anteaya | are we tolling the death knell on transifex yet? | 21:02 |
| pleia2 | I'd say so, people shouldn't be using it anymore | 21:02 |
| anteaya | hopefully they know that | 21:02 |
| clarkb | oh should check d-g if no one has yet | 21:02 |
| pleia2 | we're going to keep the projects around sitting there for a bit though, until Daisy is confident everything was moved over etc | 21:02 |
| hashar | clarkb: so I "just" had to create /opt/nodepool-scripts in my setup script :} | 21:02 |
| anteaya | yup, as backup | 21:02 |
| hashar | and https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/computer/ci-jessie-wikimedia-39/ ! | 21:02 |
| clarkb | I dont expect d-g to need updates though | 21:02 |
| anteaya | sounds reasonable | 21:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/requirements: Move python-solumclient to openstack namespace https://review.openstack.org/222770 | 21:06 |
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| fungi | okay, those three requirements changes update master, stable/kilo and stable/juno | 21:08 |
| fungi | there was only one repo out of 16 appearing in the list | 21:08 |
| anteaya | the stable/kilo and stable/juno patches, doesn't the repo have to have those branches? | 21:09 |
| anteaya | I only see a master branch on python-solumclient | 21:09 |
| anteaya | and yay to 1 out of 16 | 21:09 |
| anteaya | what am I not understanding? | 21:09 |
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| fungi | the proposal script has a list of repos to clone. until it tries to clone that it can't know that it doesn't have the branch | 21:10 |
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| anteaya | oh okay, fair enough | 21:10 |
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| fungi | alternative would be to delete the lines from those other two branches, but then they'd need to be re-added if solumclient later grew the branches in question | 21:10 |
| anteaya | ah yeah okay | 21:11 |
| clarkb | probably best to update in place and be prepared | 21:11 |
| fungi | also i checked devstack-gate and, as expected, no matches on our sweet sixteen | 21:11 |
| anteaya | yay! | 21:11 |
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| ganso | hi clarkb, sorry to bother you again, I found a small bug and fixed it. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221880/ | 21:20 |
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| ganso | anteaya: Could you please take a look as well ^ if you are not too busy? Thanks in advance | 21:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Colleen Murphy proposed openstack-infra/system-config: (WIP) Add compute class for Infra Cloud https://review.openstack.org/213980 | 21:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Colleen Murphy proposed openstack-infra/system-config: (WIP) Add controller class for Infra Cloud https://review.openstack.org/209698 | 21:29 |
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| anteaya | cat took down another mouse | 21:42 |
| anteaya | it's a hat trick | 21:42 |
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| docaedo | anteaya: three in one day? | 21:47 |
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| crinkle | greghaynes: SpamapS nibalizer clarkb it works \o/ | 21:47 |
| crinkle | it is cloud | 21:47 |
| nibalizer | woooooooooo | 21:48 |
| anteaya | docaedo: yes | 21:48 |
| clarkb | woot | 21:48 |
| anteaya | it is a rare day | 21:48 |
| anteaya | crinkle: well done | 21:48 |
| docaedo | anteaya: nice! | 21:48 |
| anteaya | docaedo: I think so, and my lawn is the happier for it | 21:49 |
| docaedo | and crinkle - also great, I mean, not like catching three mice in one day but sorting the cloud cloudyness is still legit | 21:49 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 21:49 |
| crinkle | lol | 21:49 |
| anteaya | crinkle could catch 3 mice in one day if that was what she wanted | 21:49 |
| crinkle | idunno that takes a lot of skill | 21:50 |
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| anteaya | and desire to eat mice | 21:50 |
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| pleia2 | haha | 21:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Salvatore Orlando proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add template publish-to-pypi to openstack/vmware-nsx https://review.openstack.org/222782 | 21:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Carver proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Added doc and PyPI publishing for networking-sfc https://review.openstack.org/221589 | 21:51 |
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| jeblair | fungi, clarkb: a moving related thing has come up, i may not make it back in time, will you be okay without me? | 21:56 |
| clarkb | yes I think so | 21:57 |
| clarkb | anteaya has us well prepared | 21:57 |
| anteaya | jeblair: I hope the moving related thing goes smoothly | 21:57 |
| anteaya | I think we are just waiting for 2300 to roll around now | 21:57 |
| nibalizer | anteaya: oh do we mean like actual mice | 21:57 |
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| nibalizer | I've been reading this as computer mice | 21:57 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: yes | 21:57 |
| pleia2 | I'll be here to help out too | 21:57 |
| nibalizer | and wondering if you have like extra computer mice for when your cat breaks them | 21:57 |
| jeblair | anteaya, clarkb, pleia2: thanks! sorry! | 21:58 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: no four legs and tail, squeaks and makes mouse nests in places it shouldn't | 21:58 |
| anteaya | jeblair: no worries, take care of the moving thing | 21:58 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: ha ha ha | 21:58 |
| fungi | jeblair: i think we're all squared away here, good luck on moving-related things | 21:58 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: she is an outside cat, if she breaks anything inside, she goes outside... and she knows it, so she doen'st mess with anything inside | 21:59 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: we established the rules early | 21:59 |
| anteaya | pleia2: awesome | 21:59 |
| anteaya | pleia2: do you have time to give the patches a once over? | 21:59 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: did an hour ago, look ok to me | 21:59 |
| anteaya | pleia2: oh great thanks, sorry I missed that | 21:59 |
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| pleia2 | I didn't bother piling on with voting | 22:00 |
| anteaya | fair enough | 22:00 |
| fungi | we're at the one-hour mark so i'll go ahead and disable puppet now | 22:00 |
| anteaya | kk | 22:00 |
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| anteaya | nibalizer: she had to apologize to me twice in our relationship and both times it was via chipmunk | 22:06 |
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| pleia2 | hehe, cats | 22:07 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: in that after she spent the night outside in shame I got a chipmunk on the front step in the morning | 22:07 |
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| anteaya | they are strong communicators | 22:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | sebastian marcet proposed openstack-infra/openstackid: OIDC - OpenId Connect Implementation https://review.openstack.org/198458 | 22:15 |
| anteaya | not sure who to tell about this one, maybe this is the title they want | 22:17 |
| anteaya | You are Not Hyperscale, and That’s Okay. | 22:17 |
| anteaya | https://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/event/4c5c764bbe5dd3ecbb8e04d3628424a8?iframe=no&w=i:100;&sidebar=yes&bg=no#.VfNSzrMnFz0 | 22:17 |
| anteaya | fungi clarkb thoughts? | 22:17 |
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| anteaya | the euro sign in place of an apostrophe | 22:18 |
| fungi | looks like someone copy-pasted "smart" quotes in another encoding | 22:18 |
| fungi | i'll point it out to the organizers | 22:18 |
| anteaya | I see it a few places in the schedule | 22:19 |
| clarkb | ya likely just an encoding mismatch | 22:19 |
| anteaya | thanks | 22:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Carver proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Added doc and PyPI publishing for networking-sfc https://review.openstack.org/221589 | 22:26 |
| clarkb | pleia2: looks like StevenK's changes to switch to zanata are failing the layout job, but he can get that sorted before we switch tuesday | 22:26 |
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| pleia2 | clarkb: yeah, I figured he'd notice and fix up the proposed changes before that :) | 22:26 |
| fungi | anteaya: per the dev team, that happens when the presenter pastes from a document in another encoding and doesn't spot the mess they left, apparently | 22:27 |
| pleia2 | sridhar_ram: see clarkb's latest note on your change, we can't merge logging changes during meetings, so that limits when we can merge something | 22:28 |
| fungi | so the site admins scurry around behind the scenes cleaning up after all of them | 22:28 |
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| pleia2 | sridhar_ram: so you're not being ignored, we just can't merge it whenever we want | 22:28 |
| anteaya | fungi: awesome | 22:29 |
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| anteaya | I'll let the scurrying happen and check back later then | 22:29 |
| fungi | we're at about the 30 minute mark... how's this look for a warning in irc? "#status notice 30 minute warning, Gerrit will be offline from 23:00 to 23:30 UTC while some projects are renamed http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/074235.html" | 22:30 |
| * pleia2 thumbs up | 22:30 | |
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| anteaya | thumbs up here | 22:30 |
| clarkb | lgtm | 22:30 |
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| fungi | #status notice 30 minute warning, Gerrit will be offline from 23:00 to 23:30 UTC while some projects are renamed http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/074235.html | 22:30 |
| openstackstatus | fungi: sending notice | 22:30 |
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| fungi | we can do an alert one when the maintenance starts | 22:31 |
| * anteaya nods agreement | 22:31 | |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: 30 minute warning, Gerrit will be offline from 23:00 to 23:30 UTC while some projects are renamed http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/074235.html | 22:31 | |
| fungi | okay, confirmed puppet is no longer puppetizing things and the cron job is still commented out, so we're ready for step 3 when the window starts | 22:32 |
| anteaya | wooooo | 22:32 |
| openstackstatus | fungi: finished sending notice | 22:32 |
| openstackgerrit | sebastian marcet proposed openstack-infra/openstackid: OIDC - OpenId Connect Implementation https://review.openstack.org/198458 | 22:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Antoine Musso proposed openstack-infra/zuul: Expose commitMessage as a Change attribute https://review.openstack.org/222791 | 22:48 |
| * docaedo cheers on the infra team with all their awesomeness, professionalism and attention to detail | 22:49 | |
| anteaya | heh, let's wait until after we're done :) | 22:49 |
| anteaya | but thanks for the support | 22:49 |
| devkulkarni | +1 docaedo | 22:50 |
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| anteaya | fungi: 10 minutes | 22:50 |
| anteaya | fungi: anything need doing? | 22:50 |
| odyssey4me | +1 docaedo | 22:51 |
| clarkb | maybe decide who wants to do what | 22:51 |
| clarkb | I am happy to do github button clicking again | 22:52 |
| clarkb | and can do the git backend mirrors | 22:52 |
| pleia2 | I added my nick to a couple things | 22:52 |
| clarkb | looks like pleia2 grabbed the gerrit things | 22:52 |
| pleia2 | if someone wants to do #6 while I'm doing others, that'd be fine | 22:53 |
| clarkb | pleia2: since you'll be on gerrit anyways maybe you want 6 and I do 8? | 22:53 |
| anteaya | I'll sit in channel | 22:53 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: wfm | 22:54 |
| clarkb | fungi: you want to grab zuul? I can do zuul too if not | 22:54 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: nice! | 22:56 |
| greghaynes | crinkle: time for beer? | 22:56 |
| clarkb | greghaynes: no that happens in 30 minutes | 22:56 |
| crinkle | greghaynes: yesss | 22:56 |
| crinkle | clarkb: aw :( | 22:56 |
| clarkb | :P | 22:56 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: why 30 | 22:56 |
| crinkle | gerrit | 22:56 |
| greghaynes | oh, hah | 22:56 |
| clarkb | because we have to renmae these projects first | 22:56 |
| clarkb | ya | 22:56 |
| * greghaynes preps beer supply | 22:56 | |
| * clarkb is happy that his network rant actually does work | 22:57 | |
| anteaya | clarkb: yay | 22:57 |
| greghaynes | totally, that was an awesome idea | 22:57 |
| anteaya | a productive rant | 22:57 |
| anteaya | 3 minutes | 22:57 |
| anteaya | who is going to take gerrit offline? | 22:57 |
| fungi | sorry, got called away to help assemble a desk chair. back now | 22:58 |
| anteaya | whew | 22:58 |
| anteaya | is the chair assembled? | 22:59 |
| fungi | meh, closer | 22:59 |
| clarkb | fungi: want to do zuul? if not I can grab it | 22:59 |
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| odyssey4me | flatpacks for the win | 22:59 |
| fungi | i can do the zuul bit | 22:59 |
| clarkb | cool | 22:59 |
| clarkb | pleia2 do you want to stop gerrit before you do the gerrit things? | 22:59 |
| pleia2 | sure | 23:00 |
| anteaya | who is going to send the status alert? | 23:00 |
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| fungi | #status alert Gerrit is offline from 23:00 to 23:30 UTC while some projects are renamed. http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/074235.html | 23:00 |
| openstackstatus | fungi: sending alert | 23:00 |
| anteaya | thanks | 23:00 |
| fungi | doing step 3 now | 23:00 |
| fungi | all done. pleia2 you're up for step 4 | 23:01 |
| pleia2 | thanks | 23:02 |
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| pleia2 | done | 23:02 |
| pleia2 | doing step 5 mysql things now | 23:03 |
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| openstackstatus | fungi: finished sending alert | 23:04 |
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| pleia2 | 5 done, and on to step 6 | 23:04 |
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| pleia2 | and on to #7, reindexing Lucene | 23:07 |
| fungi | ooh, the ptl elections are finally heating up... keystone is our first guaranteed election! | 23:07 |
| anteaya | woooooo | 23:07 |
| clarkb | I am moving git repos on the mirror backends and then on to githb | 23:07 |
| fungi | pleia2: you also want to take #10 (starting gerrit) once the reindex completes? | 23:08 |
| pleia2 | ok, reindexing is running now | 23:08 |
| pleia2 | fungi: sure | 23:08 |
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| anteaya | pleia2: can you id step 6 as done in the etherpad please? | 23:09 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: ahead of you :) | 23:09 |
| anteaya | ah you di | 23:09 |
| anteaya | d | 23:09 |
| anteaya | thank you | 23:09 |
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| clarkb | I am in the github danger zone now | 23:09 |
| clarkb | seriously thats what they call it | 23:09 |
| anteaya | careful | 23:09 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 23:09 |
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| anteaya | watch that mouse | 23:09 |
| * fungi hums "right into the DANGER ZOOOOONE!" | 23:10 | |
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| anteaya | no no | 23:10 |
| pleia2 | haha | 23:11 |
| * fungi gets kenny loggins stuck in everyone's head | 23:11 | |
| anteaya | I'm listening to seal | 23:11 |
| anteaya | no room for kenny | 23:11 |
| taron | somehow I've never heard the actual song and yet it's stuck in my head anyway | 23:11 |
| fungi | taron: really? never seen top gun | 23:11 |
| docaedo | there's always room for Kenny! | 23:12 |
| anteaya | i have it on my phone | 23:12 |
| fungi | tom cruise from before people realized he was a nutcase | 23:12 |
| anteaya | I watch it about every 8th flight | 23:12 |
| clarkb | and they make you type the name of the repo in again to ensure you are sure | 23:12 |
| taron | can't say I watch many movies | 23:12 |
| anteaya | are you sure? | 23:12 |
| clarkb | my typing is getting a ton of practice | 23:12 |
| fungi | clarkb: or... paste | 23:12 |
| anteaya | clarkb: babies down? | 23:12 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya but thats boring | 23:12 |
| clarkb | anteaya: ya | 23:12 |
| * fungi got really fast at cut-n-paste in github's danger zone the last time he worked on that part of a mass rename | 23:12 | |
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| anteaya | ha ha ha | 23:13 |
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| taron | I should write a script, but that'd kind of defeat the purpose of the box being there | 23:13 |
| anteaya | we would love to | 23:13 |
| anteaya | if github gave us access via the api | 23:13 |
| anteaya | and they don't | 23:13 |
| taron | I was thinking more along the lines of selenium | 23:14 |
| greghaynes | ^ ++ | 23:14 |
| anteaya | we'd accept that | 23:14 |
| greghaynes | http is an api :) | 23:14 |
| fungi | yeah, they need to extend their api with methods for rename and transfer. selenium is such a terrible, scary hack | 23:14 |
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| taron | agreed | 23:14 |
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| taron | I don't even like using it for automating clicker games | 23:14 |
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| anteaya | pleia2: how is the reindex coming along? | 23:15 |
| pleia2 | 54% | 23:15 |
| anteaya | yay | 23:15 |
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| fungi | as long as the numbers keep getting bigger, we should be good | 23:16 |
| odyssey4me | hooray for progress indicators | 23:16 |
| dolphm | +1 for bigger numbers | 23:16 |
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| fungi | it's when they stop that we have to worry. and if they start decreasing i think we've likely run aground on a temporal anomaly reef | 23:16 |
| docaedo | waits for fungi to work in footloose and I'm alright for a kenny loggins trifecta... | 23:17 |
| clarkb | ok moves are done, now I am going to do move renames | 23:17 |
| odyssey4me | not because they're accurate, but primarily because they tell us that something's happening in that black box | 23:17 |
| clarkb | for those I will transfer to openstack then rename them | 23:17 |
| clarkb | and hope that doesn't break the redirects | 23:17 |
| anteaya | clarkb: yay | 23:17 |
| clarkb | but you should use git.o.o anways so meh | 23:17 |
| fungi | clarkb: it works fine. i've done it that way before | 23:17 |
| pleia2 | 85% | 23:17 |
| anteaya | woooo | 23:18 |
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| pleia2 | Reindexed 218925 changes in 646.7s (338.5/s) | 23:19 |
| pleia2 | done | 23:19 |
| anteaya | yay | 23:19 |
| anteaya | waiting for clarkb to finish? | 23:19 |
| fungi | it's safe to start gerrit while the github renames continue | 23:20 |
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| anteaya | ah okay | 23:20 |
| pleia2 | ok, I can do that now then | 23:20 |
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| fungi | they just need to be done before manage-projects runs (after we merge the config changes) | 23:20 |
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| anteaya | k | 23:20 |
| fungi | once gerrit's up and solid, i'll start zuul and keep tabs on gearman registrations to make sure we're safe to reenqueue | 23:21 |
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| anteaya | cool | 23:21 |
| pleia2 | when I start gerrit I like to think of the rock biter riding his bicycle | 23:21 |
| pleia2 | anyway, it's finally started | 23:21 |
| fungi | starting zuul | 23:21 |
| clarkb | github is all done | 23:22 |
| anteaya | clarkb: yay | 23:22 |
| anteaya | pleia2: the rock biter? | 23:22 |
| anteaya | I don't know this person | 23:22 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: from the neverending story | 23:22 |
| anteaya | ah never saw it | 23:22 |
| fungi | looks like gearman registrations are all set. reenqueuing jobs now | 23:22 |
| anteaya | would explain why then | 23:22 |
| fungi | anteaya prefers stories with a clear ending | 23:23 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 23:23 |
| anteaya | I likes me an ending I do | 23:23 |
| pleia2 | I read the book recently, it was nice | 23:23 |
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| fungi | um | 23:23 |
| anteaya | cool | 23:23 |
| anteaya | fungi: que? | 23:23 |
| fungi | zuul enqueue is throwing errors "ConfigParser.NoSectionError: No section: 'gearman'" | 23:24 |
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| anteaya | that's not nice | 23:24 |
| pleia2 | :\ | 23:24 |
| fungi | did we recently merge something which expects a gearman section? | 23:24 |
| fungi | or change the config out from under the command-line client? | 23:25 |
| clarkb | I am guessingthat is what happened but looking at git logs now | 23:25 |
| anteaya | last merge to zuul was Aug 13 | 23:25 |
| fungi | oh! | 23:25 |
| fungi | yellow wizard needs sudo | 23:25 |
| clarkb | oh | 23:25 |
| clarkb | sorr | 23:25 |
| anteaya | ah sudo make me a sandwich | 23:25 |
| fungi | zuul config not world readable | 23:25 |
| pleia2 | phew | 23:26 |
| anteaya | well that's good | 23:26 |
| clarkb | I will update my change | 23:26 |
| fungi | clarkb: also note that you still have a 2 in one copy of the script name (at least in the etherpad) | 23:26 |
| fungi | gate and check are reenqueued now | 23:27 |
| anteaya | yay | 23:27 |
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| clarkb | fungi: sorry about that will double check the doc change | 23:27 |
| fungi | working on group renames now | 23:27 |
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| fungi | groups renamed, approving changes now | 23:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Update zuul stop/start docs during project rename https://review.openstack.org/222750 | 23:29 |
| anteaya | yay | 23:29 |
| anteaya | there they be | 23:30 |
| anteaya | such a pretty lineup | 23:30 |
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| anteaya | and we are starting to get some nodes | 23:32 |
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| clarkb | should merge in a few minutes | 23:34 |
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| devkulkarni | anteaya: solum repos are accessible on openstack org on github, gerrit is also showing the reviews correctly. what other things should I check? | 23:34 |
| waynr | any pythonistas here have advice for printing debug statements while running tox? or running tox against only a specific set of test fixtures? | 23:35 |
| fungi | devkulkarni: the rename isn't finished yet | 23:35 |
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| devkulkarni | fungi: oh okay | 23:35 |
| waynr | i am lost in the spaghetti code that is JJB and finding it impossible to understand what is going on simply reading the XML diffs | 23:36 |
| fungi | devkulkarni: we're working on step 14 of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/project-renames-Septemeber-2015 | 23:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Rename stackforge/solum -> openstack/solum https://review.openstack.org/201287 | 23:36 |
| devkulkarni | fungi: got it.. sorry to have bothered you are working on this | 23:36 |
| fungi | devkulkarni: we're send out an announcement when we're done | 23:37 |
| devkulkarni | fungi: got it | 23:37 |
| fungi | clarkb: pleia2: anteaya: i think we're safe to ok statusbot now? | 23:37 |
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| clarkb | fungi: things look good to me | 23:37 |
| anteaya | fungi: yup | 23:37 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 23:37 |
| clarkb | just waiting to get changes merged and puppet to run | 23:38 |
| fungi | #status ok | 23:38 |
| openstackstatus | fungi: sending ok | 23:38 |
| anteaya | all clear | 23:38 |
| fungi | now that i've seen a successful proposal and a successful merge i'm fairly confident things are healthy | 23:38 |
| anteaya | just have to wait for zuul to recalculate | 23:38 |
| anteaya | sounds good to me | 23:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Move from stackforge/magnetodb to openstack/magnetodb https://review.openstack.org/203524 | 23:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Rename stackforge/os-ansible-deployment{,specs} https://review.openstack.org/200730 | 23:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Rename stackforge/apps-catalog{,-ui} https://review.openstack.org/220660 | 23:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Move refstack and refstack-client to the openstack git namespace. https://review.openstack.org/221499 | 23:40 |
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| openstackstatus | fungi: finished sending ok | 23:40 |
| anteaya | I think that is all of them | 23:40 |
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| pleia2 | yep, that's all 7 | 23:41 |
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| anteaya | yay | 23:41 |
| fungi | well, sort of yay. i just overheated and froze my workstation so switched machines now | 23:41 |
| anteaya | not so yay | 23:42 |
| fungi | i'll go ahead and start puppet now | 23:42 |
| anteaya | I hate it when we overheat fungi | 23:42 |
| clarkb | ok it should fire in just under 3 minutes | 23:42 |
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| fungi | oh nuts, this machine doesn't have my openstack keys on it | 23:43 |
| fungi | can someone else take over? | 23:43 |
| clarkb | I can reenable | 23:43 |
| fungi | thanks | 23:43 |
| pleia2 | all computers will rejoice when it stops being hot out | 23:43 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 23:43 |
| pleia2 | (and maybe they'll even work) | 23:43 |
| anteaya | it isn't so hot right now in Canada | 23:43 |
| clarkb | ok crontab is back to what it should be | 23:44 |
| pleia2 | we had our annual heat wave this week, but today is nicer :) | 23:44 |
| fungi | well, this one i've been trying to find a replacement cpu fan for | 23:44 |
| * taron is definitely missing BC right now | 23:44 | |
| anteaya | pleia2: :) | 23:44 |
| anteaya | clarkb: yay | 23:44 |
| taron | it's entirely too hot in PDX | 23:44 |
| anteaya | fungi: yup, sounds like a worthy search | 23:44 |
| clarkb | I am going to run the ansible workspace cleanups now | 23:44 |
| fungi | thanks clarkb | 23:44 |
| clarkb | actually gonna check the puppet log first but then ansible next | 23:45 |
| pleia2 | fungi: do you have the .gitreview changes staged? | 23:45 |
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| fungi | pleia2: i do, but on the machine which has turned itself off | 23:45 |
| pleia2 | fungi: hah, want me to pick those up? | 23:45 |
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| clarkb | ok puppet is running now | 23:46 |
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| fungi | well, it'll be a while before manage-projects finishes so i'll see if i can get it fired back up first | 23:46 |
| clarkb | for the ansible steps we need to be using the old not new names right? | 23:46 |
| clarkb | fungi: ^ possible bug in your meta script generator | 23:46 |
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| clarkb | so apps-catalog | 23:46 |
| fungi | clarkb: no, technically we only need to do it where old and new names are the same and only the namespace prefix changed | 23:47 |
| fungi | but yeah doing the old names would make more sense | 23:47 |
| clarkb | oh right | 23:47 |
| clarkb | ya gonna clean them out anyways | 23:47 |
| clarkb | they aren't needed and use up disk | 23:47 |
| fungi | because it would clean up a few unused workspaces | 23:47 |
| fungi | right, that | 23:48 |
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| clarkb | ssh to pypi.slave failed | 23:49 |
| odyssey4me | ladies and gents - I have to say that this has been quite an experience | 23:49 |
| clarkb | will figure that out later | 23:49 |
| anteaya | odyssey4me: exciting isn't it | 23:49 |
| odyssey4me | superb preparation, execution and validation | 23:49 |
| anteaya | almost like we've done this before | 23:49 |
| odyssey4me | I have seen teams in the same room work less well together. | 23:50 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 23:50 |
| fungi | odyssey4me: we've honed it through a process of repeated mistakes and corrections | 23:50 |
| pleia2 | odyssey4me: thank you | 23:50 |
| odyssey4me | :) understood, but it is still impressive | 23:50 |
| odyssey4me | for the sake of interest - do you guys archive the etherpads somewhere? | 23:51 |
| anteaya | odyssey4me: thanks, always a pleasure to work with these folks | 23:51 |
| anteaya | only if you keep the link | 23:51 |
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| fungi | odyssey4me: we've not been super consistent with the names on them | 23:51 |
| anteaya | the link is in the channel logs and meeting logs | 23:51 |
| clarkb | this is slow because I have to wait for pypi.slave ssh timeout to happen before going to next host | 23:51 |
| clarkb | er next project | 23:51 |
| odyssey4me | the one thing I dislike about the etherpads is that there's no history, so there's no way of telling when someone wipes a section | 23:51 |
| anteaya | clarkb: yup | 23:51 |
| clarkb | odyssey4me: there is history | 23:51 |
| fungi | well, there's sort of a history. there's a timeline you can rewind | 23:51 |
| StevenK | pleia2: And yes, I'll fix the layout test failure Monday morning, I pushed up the two branches and then started dealing with expenses from PyCon | 23:52 |
| fungi | though also sometimes etherpad loses its history of changes to a pad for reasons i have yet to identify | 23:52 |
| pleia2 | StevenK: wow, you're having all the fun | 23:52 |
| odyssey4me | it seems to me that it'd be quite useful to be able to archive etherpads which have had no activity for a time period | 23:52 |
| odyssey4me | anyway that's all a distraction | 23:52 |
| anteaya | etherpad isn't the best written app | 23:53 |
| fungi | odyssey4me: the etherpad devs are quite open to contributions, as long as you don't mind writing javascript | 23:53 |
| odyssey4me | I see that there's a few items left on the etherpad - are those contingencies, or are you waiting for the puppet deployments before finalising? | 23:53 |
| fungi | they just do standard github pull request workflow | 23:53 |
| odyssey4me | fungi I'd rather stick a red hot poker in my eye, with respect | 23:54 |
| anteaya | odyssey4me: clarkb is working on step 16 | 23:54 |
| fungi | odyssey4me: you and me both | 23:54 |
| anteaya | odyssey4me: and it is going slow for him as he has to wait for the pypi.slave ssh timeout | 23:54 |
| odyssey4me | okie dokey - I'll continue observing | 23:54 |
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| fungi | workstation has radiated enough residual heat i'm going to try firing it up and see if i can be ready to do step 17 in a bit | 23:55 |
| anteaya | fungi: cool | 23:55 |
| StevenK | pleia2: Yeah, I had to switch to Chrome to set attendes for one of the expenses :-( | 23:55 |
| anteaya | both literally and figuratively | 23:55 |
| odyssey4me | I do think that a valuable summit presentation, or perhaps <other conf> presentation would be to discuss operational and change management in the way that it's done in openstack-infra | 23:55 |
| pleia2 | StevenK: it was actually a good day when I learned Chrome works with that expense system now | 23:56 |
| anteaya | ah we work well mostly because we don't take ourselves too seriously | 23:56 |
| odyssey4me | I think that a lot of enterprises and even smaller entities would be very interested | 23:56 |
| anteaya | that might kind of break the workflow | 23:56 |
| anteaya | they can read the logs anytime | 23:56 |
| docaedo | odyssey4me: +1 on that for sure | 23:56 |
| fungi | odyssey4me: pleia2 did a presentation along those lines i think | 23:56 |
| fungi | it may be at http://docs.openstack.org/infra/publications/ | 23:57 |
| clarkb | last project workspace cleanup | 23:57 |
| anteaya | clarkb: yay | 23:57 |
| clarkb | and done | 23:57 |
| pleia2 | I've done a couple on being an "open source sysadmin" and have one focused specifically on our tooling coming up at LISA'15 | 23:57 |
| anteaya | whew | 23:57 |
| docaedo | when I talk about the Infra team, and what they do, I see it as an excellent reflection of CI/CD (large scale) in practice, with an excellent show of how a globally distributed team can work together super effectively | 23:57 |
| odyssey4me | oh nice - I'll poke through there another time | 23:57 |
| pleia2 | http://docs.openstack.org/infra/publications/sysadmin-codereview/ is similar though | 23:57 |
| anteaya | honestly if anyone wants to take away anything from what we do, I suggest they learn how to listen | 23:58 |
| clarkb | ansible is done on git backends | 23:58 |
| anteaya | the biggest skill I admire in all my team mates is the ability to hear me and others | 23:58 |
| clarkb | its still running puppet on review.o.o (expected it to be slow while manage-projects comes to terms with what we changed) | 23:58 |
| anteaya | and listening is a learned skill | 23:58 |
| anteaya | it is only rare because folks choose not to practice it | 23:58 |
| odyssey4me | fungi another note for another time - it'd be great if we could figure out a forum for sharing and learning ansible lessons from each other | 23:59 |
| anteaya | clarkb: ack | 23:59 |
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| jeblair | fungi, clarkb, pleia2, anteaya: o/ | 23:59 |
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