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| openstackgerrit | Christopher Aedo proposed openstack-infra/puppet-apps_site: Update app-catalog commands https://review.openstack.org/250061 | 00:14 |
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| tsg | clarkb: with the liberasurecode change having merged, what's the best way to verify that the pkg is installed on the slave? :) Unfortunately jenkins logs like http://logs.openstack.org/87/244287/2/check/gate-swift-python27/73d2cac/ don't tell much | 00:15 |
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| docaedo | crinkle: thanks for taking a look at 250061 :) It took significant willpower to not turn the commit message into a long poem (but at least I slipped a limerick into the response!) | 00:16 |
| clarkb | tsg you have to wait for image builds whixh start at 1400 utc daily | 00:17 |
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| tsg | clarkb: got it .. :) | 00:17 |
| tsg | thanks | 00:17 |
| crinkle | docaedo: hehe :) | 00:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Christopher Aedo proposed openstack-infra/puppet-apps_site: Update app-catalog commands https://review.openstack.org/250061 | 00:21 |
| nibalizer | mordred: something changed on puppetmaster, ansible 'git0*:!disabled' --list-hosts is now dumping completely useless uuids | 00:21 |
| nibalizer | our disabling seems to be busted as well because we have things like this in the log | 00:22 |
| nibalizer | 2015-12-03 00:20:41,228 p=6986 u=root | failed: [de7bf14e-aae2-404c-82ce-9ebbabb36b44] => {"disabled": true, "failed": true} | 00:22 |
| nibalizer | 2015-12-03 00:20:41,228 p=6986 u=root | msg: Puppet agent is administratively disabled. | 00:22 |
| nibalizer | so ansible is rolling suprisingly well with these uuids instead of hostnames, but the log is now basically unreable | 00:22 |
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| nibalizer | actually that host is etherpad... not really sure why puppet agent is disabled on it and it is not in our list | 00:23 |
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| nibalizer | well actually etherpad is not disabled... so I'm not really sure whats going on there | 00:26 |
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| jeblair | lifeless: that error doesn't actually happen in the gate; i think maybe the jjb env uses jjb releases instead of branch-tip (which is what we use elsewhere); either that or you have an old jjb env and need to update it | 00:37 |
| jeblair | lifeless: (iow, that error does not occur in jjb master) | 00:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Apoorva Deshpande proposed openstack-infra/ciwatch: Change ciwatch.log location from /var/data/ciwatch.log to /var/log/ciwatch/ciwatch.log https://review.openstack.org/252050 | 00:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack-infra/project-config: kolla-mesos has a separate LP bug project so remove the groups https://review.openstack.org/251172 | 01:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack-infra/project-config: kolla-mesos: add python-jobs to run unit tests https://review.openstack.org/252696 | 01:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed openstack-infra/project-config: kolla-mesos: add coverage jobs https://review.openstack.org/252697 | 01:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Apoorva Deshpande proposed openstack-infra/ciwatch: Change ciwatch.log location https://review.openstack.org/252050 | 01:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Apoorva Deshpande proposed openstack-infra/ciwatch: Change ciwatch.log location https://review.openstack.org/252050 | 01:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Craige McWhirter proposed openstack-infra/system-config: WIP: Adding rebuild_phab_infra-dev.py https://review.openstack.org/240795 | 01:31 |
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| mordred | nibalizer: yes | 01:45 |
| mordred | nibalizer: I'm working on that currently, actually - just haven't been online long enough to tell you all about it | 01:45 |
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| mordred | nibalizer: hosts are uniquely identified by uuids in the inventory | 02:09 |
| mordred | nibalizer: so I'm putting together a logging plugin that will output hostnames instead, as well as a utility wrapper that will do ansible 'git0*:!disabled' --list-hosts but not be useless | 02:10 |
| nibalizer | mordred: ok | 02:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hidekazu Nakamura proposed openstack-infra/irc-meetings: Add python-openstacksdk meeting_id and agenda_url https://review.openstack.org/252710 | 02:16 |
| ruagair | anyone lurking particularly intimate with pymysql? | 02:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/infra-specs: Unified Mirrors https://review.openstack.org/252678 | 02:17 |
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| fungi | yay! i've finally caught up with my mailing list reading backlog from vacation | 02:21 |
| fungi | tomorrow, juno-eol | 02:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hidekazu Nakamura proposed openstack-infra/irc-meetings: Add python-openstacksdk meeting_id and agenda_url https://review.openstack.org/252711 | 02:21 |
| notmorgan | fungi: yay! | 02:21 |
| notmorgan | fungi: gratz on email catchup! | 02:22 |
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| fungi | if it weren't for pesky perennial "zomg-eol!" arguments i'd have just declared ml bankruptcy when i got back | 02:23 |
| fungi | but no such luck | 02:24 |
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| notmorgan | fungi: i've done the ML bankruptcy a couple times | 02:28 |
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| notmorgan | fungi: it's amazing how good it feels | 02:28 |
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| mgagne | pip install gerritbot from sources look to not install all required dependencies. jaraco fails to import inflect :-/ | 02:34 |
| mtreinish | fungi: I just ignored those threads for the most part | 02:34 |
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| clarkb | mgagne thats a bug in the irc modules deps | 02:35 |
| mtreinish | I'm beyond tired of having the same discussion with nothing ever changing | 02:35 |
| mgagne | clarkb need to install manually? | 02:35 |
| clarkb | I think you have to pin some libs elastic recheck ran into thia too | 02:35 |
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| mgagne | now that's inconvenient | 02:36 |
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| mtreinish | clarkb, mgagne: https://github.com/openstack-infra/elastic-recheck/commit/6200d9fe459126b1ccfe66597a93eb73a6ad67d4 ? | 02:37 |
| mgagne | nice find | 02:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/irc-meetings: Add python-openstacksdk meeting_id and agenda_url https://review.openstack.org/252711 | 02:38 |
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| mgagne | another issue I got with gerritbot and that got solved elsewhere in nodepool: https://github.com/openstack-infra/nodepool/commit/39b306ac3b4cdd0e7982527ec2d216ef5855039c | 02:57 |
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| fungi | mtreinish: i'm about there myself. i'm hoping that enough repetition and someone else will start handling our side of those arguments for us | 02:58 |
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| fungi | so far, no such luck though | 02:59 |
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| fungi | so instead i'm going to spend a little time relaxing and hunting irradiated ghouls with a double-barrel shotgun | 03:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add MultiJob Project Documentation. https://review.openstack.org/212666 | 05:08 |
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| zxiiro | guess that's enough code review for one night :) | 05:16 |
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| deepakcs | Hello cores, can someone provide a +A for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251421/ ( already has +2) | 05:17 |
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| deepakcs | clarkb: ^^ | 05:23 |
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| lifeless | jeblair: oh huh, thanks, but new env doesn't fix it; trying with master | 06:29 |
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| lifeless | jeblair: indeed master gives a better failure | 06:31 |
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| lifeless | (but one I'm no better equiped to understand right now - are parameters mandatory? - I'll poke around and see if I can figure it out | 06:32 |
| lifeless | (jenkins_jobs.errors.JenkinsJobsException: clonelibs parameter missing to format {clonelibs} | 06:32 |
| lifeless | ) | 06:32 |
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| bogdando | hello. what is the workflow to create a repo in the github openstack/ space? Specifically, for the Fuel project, which is in the BigTent, I need a separate fuel-noop-fixtures repo which is *not* supposed to be in the official Fuel projects as it only would contain only fixture | 09:00 |
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| tmorin | I want to register #openstack-net-bgpvpn to chanserv, but I am not an operator and chanserv is refusing, what can I do ? (pleia2 ?) | 09:16 |
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| AJaeger | yolanda: I had to rebase https://review.openstack.org/252582 - thanks for the approval! | 12:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Add ironic-inspector-specs to openstack-ironic irc channel https://review.openstack.org/252387 | 12:24 |
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| yolanda | AJaeger, i hate when that happens, you loose the +2 for a simple rebase :( | 12:25 |
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| AJaeger | yolanda: yep ;( | 12:26 |
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| xylan_kong | hi, anybody here? the reno related patches for mistral project have all been merged, but why I can't see the releasenotes job for mistral patches on master (I can see the job in stable/liberty branch)? | 12:35 |
| xylan_kong | 2 example patches, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252901/ for master, and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248763/ for stable/liberty | 12:36 |
| AJaeger | xylan_kong: let me check... | 12:37 |
| xylan_kong | AJaeger: hi, thanks so much! | 12:37 |
| AJaeger | xylan_kong: we run release notes jobs only if you touch the release notes | 12:38 |
| AJaeger | xylan_kong: neither of your changes touches releasenotes directory - so no job is run | 12:38 |
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| xylan_kong | AJaeger: but it did run on stable/liberty, right? | 12:39 |
| AJaeger | xylan_kong: example? | 12:40 |
| xylan_kong | please see the second patch for stable/liberty | 12:40 |
| xylan_kong | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248763/ | 12:40 |
| xylan_kong | that's why i'm confused | 12:40 |
| AJaeger | xylan_kong: it will run on both stable/liberty and master if and only one of: releasenotes directory, tox.ini or *requirements.txt file is updated (AFAIR, full condition in project-config/zuul/layout.yaml) | 12:41 |
| AJaeger | I meant: if and only if at least one of ... | 12:41 |
| AJaeger | the liberty change updates requirements | 12:41 |
| xylan_kong | AJaeger: ok, fair enough, got it | 12:41 |
| xylan_kong | AJaeger: thanks so much for explanation | 12:42 |
| AJaeger | xylan_kong: you're welcome | 12:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Add #openstack-smaug to accessbot and gerritbot https://review.openstack.org/252842 | 12:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add pep8 job to ironic-inspector-specs https://review.openstack.org/252903 | 12:43 |
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| AJaeger | sdague, anteaya: Could either of you +2A again the removal of the periodic juno jobs, please? https://review.openstack.org/252582 | 12:48 |
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| sdague | done | 12:50 |
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| AJaeger | thanks, sdague ! | 12:51 |
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| gsagie | Hello, i am just wondering if there is any reason to prefer building tests with tempest over doing everything in Rally? | 12:57 |
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| jschwarz | Hi guys.. I'm trying to follow https://github.com/openstack-infra/devstack-gate#simulating-devstack-gate-tests but I'm hitting some errors | 12:58 |
| jschwarz | specifically: cat: /etc/nodepool/primary_node_private: No such file or directory | 12:59 |
| jschwarz | any ideas what step I missed? | 12:59 |
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| gsagie | I want to create functional tests, which only run in the gate when there is a devstack installation running (the python27 gate might fail) anyway to do it? | 13:29 |
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| ttx | project-config reviewers: could we have some final W+1 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252591/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252572/ ? That's blocking mitaka-1 for those projects | 13:57 |
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| yolanda | ttx it has a -1, so i didn't approve | 14:01 |
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| ttx | yolanda: the dependency anteaya asked for is now merged | 14:01 |
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| ttx | but we can probably wait for her to get up and confirm | 14:02 |
| yolanda | yep, i prefered to wait for her to remove, but if that's urgent i can do | 14:02 |
| ttx | let's give her a few more minutes | 14:02 |
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| yolanda | ok | 14:02 |
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| yolanda | ttx, for the other one, we didn't approve because there is a dependent change pending to merge | 14:03 |
| ttx | hmm, le me fix that | 14:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Adam Coldrick proposed openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient: Add UI for complex permissions on boards and worklists https://review.openstack.org/235476 | 14:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | yolanda.robla proposed openstack-infra/glean: Add debug messages to networking bits https://review.openstack.org/252971 | 14:18 |
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| sdague | ttx: yeh, barbican still needs to land their liberty patch | 14:23 |
| sdague | ttx: I approved the manila one | 14:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mateusz Matuszkowiak proposed openstack-infra/project-config: New repository to store info regarding Fuel Plugins CI https://review.openstack.org/252960 | 14:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Mateusz Matuszkowiak proposed openstack-infra/project-config: New repository to store data regarding Fuel Plugins CI https://review.openstack.org/252960 | 14:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Add release notes jobs for Manila https://review.openstack.org/252591 | 14:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | yolanda.robla proposed openstack-infra/glean: Add debug messages to networking bits https://review.openstack.org/252971 | 14:42 |
| ttx | sdague: thx | 14:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: the timeout query isn't helping anything, it's just masking failures https://review.openstack.org/252985 | 14:47 |
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| haleyb | clarkb: can you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252493/ it fixes the neutron breakage i pinged you about yesterday. it's causing issues in other places for us | 14:48 |
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| ttx | gerrit suddenly slow, or maybe it's just me | 14:52 |
| Zara | slow over here, too | 14:52 |
| yolanda | fails here as well | 14:52 |
| yolanda | if may be having jetty problems again | 14:52 |
| ttx | also queues in zuul starting to pile up Queue lengths: 218 events, 289 results. | 14:53 |
| yolanda | so yes, it needs a restart | 14:53 |
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| sdague | ttx: slow here as well | 14:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/requirements: Updated from generate-constraints https://review.openstack.org/252770 | 14:55 |
| tjcocozz | hello, gerrit has been slower than usual today. Does anyone know why this is? | 14:56 |
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| yolanda | i restarted now, should be better | 14:58 |
| tjcocozz | yolanda, thank you :-) | 14:58 |
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| yolanda | AJaeger, i saw an error in gerrit, related to jeepyb: | 15:01 |
| yolanda | [2015-12-03 14:58:28,980] INFO com.google.gerrit.common.ChangeHookRunner : hook[patchset-created] output: File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/lazr/restfulclient/resource.py", line 968, in __getitem__ | 15:01 |
| yolanda | [2015-12-03 14:58:28,980] INFO com.google.gerrit.common.ChangeHookRunner : hook[patchset-created] output: raise KeyError(key) | 15:01 |
| yolanda | [2015-12-03 14:58:28,980] INFO com.google.gerrit.common.ChangeHookRunner : hook[patchset-created] output: KeyError: 'releases' | 15:01 |
| yolanda | are you aware of that? | 15:01 |
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| ttx | yep, lot better, thx yolanda | 15:03 |
| AJaeger | yolanda: no idea ;( | 15:03 |
| yolanda | i still see some errors due to ssh timeouts | 15:03 |
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| sdague | gah, logstash! | 15:22 |
| sdague | it breaks once, then it caches it's break until you flush everything out of the browser | 15:22 |
| sdague | I offically hate kibana now | 15:22 |
| sdague | when are we getting the new version, because I might stop looking at bugs entirely until we do. Having to force dump my cache every 2 days because of kibana is getting old | 15:23 |
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| sdague | clarkb: I think I've found queries that are killing ES | 15:29 |
| AJaeger | sdague: do you want to review again the python 2.6 removal change? Hope that has no broken caches ;) I updated it slightly... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252448/ clarkb also wanted to review it... | 15:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Major Hayden proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add functional/check tests for osa-security https://review.openstack.org/252978 | 15:34 |
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| ttx | hmm, weird on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252578/ it says that gate jobs tests started but I can't find them running on http://status.openstack.org/zuul/ | 15:35 |
| sidbbt | hello. not sure if this question belongs here but hopefully someone can help. we're building a third party CI and the documentation says "contact the Third Party Coordinators asking to add your account to the Third Party CI mail filter list". it links to list of the coordinators. do i just email one or all of them directly, or is there a mailing list i should send the request to? (openstack-infra or third-party-announce) | 15:35 |
| ttx | maybe they are in-between states | 15:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Jesse Pretorius proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add functional/check tests for osa-security https://review.openstack.org/252978 | 15:36 |
| AJaeger | yolanda: did you requeue 252578 after the gerrit restart? | 15:36 |
| yolanda | mm, no | 15:36 |
| ttx | should I re W+1 it ? | 15:37 |
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| jswarren | jeblair: a couple more graphite changes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252909/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252932/ | 15:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: add query for libvirt data leakage https://review.openstack.org/253025 | 15:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kyle Mestery proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add release notes jobs for *aaS projects https://review.openstack.org/253028 | 15:40 |
| AJaeger | sdague: could you also review https://review.openstack.org/252493 ? The OVERRIDE_ENABLE is something I'd like you to look at ... | 15:40 |
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| AJaeger | sdague: please | 15:40 |
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| AJaeger | sdague: and thanks for the other reviews | 15:42 |
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| sdague | AJaeger: yeh, that should be fine | 15:43 |
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| AJaeger | sdague: I expected so, just wanted to have you check - thanks | 15:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/shade: Remove cinderclient version pin https://review.openstack.org/252109 | 15:52 |
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| pabelanger | sidbbt: either https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/440,members and CC openstack-infra, or just openstack-infra ML. That will likely reach the people you need. | 16:06 |
| sidbbt | pabelanger: thanks | 16:07 |
| pabelanger | sidbbt: you can also checkout the weekly meetings too: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty | 16:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: add query for libvirt data leakage https://review.openstack.org/253025 | 16:09 |
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| dhellmann | yolanda : I've updated the jeepyb patch as you suggested ^^ | 16:18 |
| yolanda | ah great | 16:18 |
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| sdague | clarkb: ping me when you end up around, I think I found danger rows in ES | 16:19 |
| sdague | they are good enough to lock up kibana | 16:19 |
| sdague | and might be part of the blips we're hitting | 16:19 |
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| ttx | yolanda: any chance you could requeue 252578 ? My attempts at W+1 it again are failing apparently | 16:20 |
| yolanda | let me check | 16:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: the timeout query isn't helping anything, it's just masking failures https://review.openstack.org/252985 | 16:21 |
| yolanda | ttx a recheck shall work right? | 16:21 |
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| ttx | yolanda: ...maybe ? Let me try that | 16:22 |
| yolanda | i did that | 16:22 |
| ttx | yolanda: ok, it's in the check gate now | 16:23 |
| ttx | thx! | 16:23 |
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| lxsli | the review-announce bot for #openstack-nova is dead | 16:27 |
| kashyap | Hi, no unique URL from log stash for a query? | 16:27 |
| kashyap | Although, I see the curl+JSON query used by clicking on the little icon labelled 'i'. | 16:28 |
| lxsli | back now, thanks if you fixed something :) | 16:30 |
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| sdague | lxsli: I expect the netsplits hurt it | 16:32 |
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| mgagne | zaro interesting, you can still create drafts from Gerrit UI in project page: https://review-dev.openstack.org/#/admin/projects/gtest-org/test | 16:40 |
| mgagne | zaro https://review-dev.openstack.org/#/c/5389/ | 16:40 |
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| clarkb | sdague: sort of here, have a doctors appointment later this morning so not trying to get too invovled in anything until after that. Is it just rows that confuse kibana? | 16:50 |
| pc_m | Hi infra folks! | 16:52 |
| sdague | clarkb: if I click on those, I get kibana lock up | 16:52 |
| sdague | but they look a bit weird as well | 16:53 |
| pc_m | I'm helping Ihar with creating jobs for neutron-*aas repos to do pep8-constraints. Should I do a commit per repo, or one commit for all three? | 16:53 |
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| clarkb | sdague: those? | 16:54 |
| sdague | those rows | 16:55 |
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| clarkb | the blips on the server previously where ES protecting itself from OOM by not servicing requests it knew would take >70% of its total memory | 16:55 |
| clarkb | that is very strongly correlated to not properly deleting old indexes | 16:56 |
| clarkb | more indexes is more data requires more memory | 16:56 |
| sdague | ok, but I wonder if us triggering queries with some of these are part of what cause our spike in indexing | 16:58 |
| sdague | because the whole system goes oddly unresponsive during that | 16:58 |
| clarkb | sdague: is it just the browser that is unrepsonsive or ES proper? | 16:59 |
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| fungi | so, it's come to my attention that hotmail.com/outlook.com is blocking deliveries from lists.openstack.org | 16:59 |
| fungi | have we had issues with them in the past? | 17:00 |
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| clarkb | fungi: harlowja may know since he switched to them when yahoo stopped accepted email due to dkim | 17:00 |
| clarkb | or dmarc? whatever the correct email security anti spam thing of the week is | 17:00 |
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| fungi | according to https://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors the code with which they're rejecting is 550 SC-001 Mail rejected by Outlook.com for policy reasons. Reasons for rejection may be related to content with spam-like characteristics or IP/domain reputation. If you are not an email/network admin please contact your Email/Internet Service Provider for help. | 17:01 |
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| JayF | When my email was hosted on outlook.com/live.com, I missed a lot of list emails, and when we looked into it the cause was DMARC | 17:02 |
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| clarkb | fungi: fwiw gmail rejected delivery often enough that I got unsubscribed from -dev twice leading to me finally giving up on gmail for anything that requires real email | 17:03 |
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| krotscheck | nibalizer: Since you raised the ruby issue, can I assume that you're volunteering for building that part of the mirror spec? Otherwise I'm going to eject it from the spec because nobody's interested in building it. | 17:03 |
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| sdague | clarkb: let me find you a link and show you | 17:04 |
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| lifeless | jeblair: are parameters able to be made optional, or do I need to refactor things so that the template with the parameter is only called when its set ? | 17:05 |
| clarkb | kashyap: no, that requires write permissions to the service which we can't hand out to the public | 17:06 |
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| clarkb | kashyap: the current plan is to upgrade to kibana4 which goes back to running kibana as a server rather than just a client to elasticsearch | 17:06 |
| kashyap | clarkb: I thought previously (an older version?) of logstash allowed custom URLs? I mean, so that I don't have to hand out exact query to someone when referring to logstash | 17:06 |
| clarkb | kashyap: it might have, the old version ran a server that could do that | 17:06 |
| jeblair | lifeless: i think builder parameters are required | 17:07 |
| kashyap | clarkb: Okay, thanks for clarifying, at least I now know that there are some plans | 17:07 |
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| clarkb | I think I have the logstash2.0 puppet done so now is just a matter of deploying that then moving to kibana upgrade | 17:07 |
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| sdague | grrr... 3rd cache dump required by kibana today | 17:08 |
| lifeless | jeblair: so I have to touch a -lot- of places if I add a parameter to the tox builder | 17:09 |
| clarkb | lifeless: is this for cloning neutron for neutron stadia project testing? | 17:09 |
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| lifeless | jeblair: I think then I should instead add a new tox-clone builder, use that from the tox builder with a parameter, and then port only the things that matter across to the new builder | 17:09 |
| clarkb | just add a second z-c clone builder step to those jobs instad? | 17:09 |
| jeblair | lifeless, clarkb: yeah, that's probably the way | 17:10 |
| clarkb | I wouldn't super/subset them I should put them side by side | 17:10 |
| jeblair | oh | 17:10 |
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| jeblair | those are two separate ideas | 17:10 |
| lifeless | clarkb: yes, thats what I do | 17:10 |
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| jeblair | lifeless: (i haven't looked at what you pushed yesterday yet, sorry) | 17:10 |
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| clarkb | so in neutron* jobs you would - gerrit-git-prep-equivalent\n- prep-neutron-repo | 17:11 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair,fungi: Discussions between greghaynes and myself have resulted in this spec, comments appreciated :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252678/ | 17:11 |
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| sdague | clarkb: http://logstash.openstack.org/#/dashboard/file/logstash.json?query=message:%5C%22changed:%20%5Baio1_repo_container%5C%22%20AND%20message:%5C%22pip%20wheel%20--timeout%5C%22 | 17:12 |
| sdague | click on those items | 17:12 |
| sdague | it locks up kibana | 17:12 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: ack thx | 17:13 |
| sdague | clarkb: you need to open it up for 24hrs, there are 6 hits in that window | 17:13 |
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| krotscheck | Does anyone know of a puppet-ish way to move a directory? | 17:14 |
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| krotscheck | A very, very large directory | 17:14 |
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| clarkb | sdague: firefox seems to think its a bug in the script | 17:14 |
| lifeless | clarkb: I am confused about your proposal | 17:15 |
| clarkb | and almost immediately opens a pop up saying "kill script or open debugger" | 17:15 |
| sdague | http://logs.openstack.org/25/239525/70/check/gate-openstack-ansible-commit-nv/e829267/console.html#_2015-12-02_17_27_24_507 | 17:15 |
| sdague | so, that's why, it's the entire log basically as one line | 17:15 |
| clarkb | lifeless: you can run multiple builders in succession | 17:15 |
| lifeless | clarkb: we need the extra cloning bit to take place in e.g. name: '{name}-branch-tarball-constraints' | 17:15 |
| clarkb | lifeless: that way you don't need a complicated set of parameters and nesting, just have a builder that is explicitly "get neutron cloned properly" | 17:15 |
| lifeless | actually, bad example, but in the jobs defined in python-jbos | 17:16 |
| lifeless | so e.g. name: 'gate-{name}-python27-constraints' | 17:16 |
| sdague | clarkb: perhaps we need to enforce max line length in os-loganalyze to prevent these | 17:16 |
| lifeless | clarkb: I get having it be a separate builder | 17:16 |
| lifeless | clarkb: I don't get how to insert it only for stadium jobs | 17:17 |
| clarkb | lifeless: you would have to make a new template | 17:17 |
| clarkb | lifeless: just for them | 17:17 |
| clarkb | OR | 17:17 |
| clarkb | they can stop doing silly things with their deps | 17:17 |
| clarkb | and we cansolve this with neutron lib a little more slowly | 17:17 |
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| zaro | morning | 17:18 |
| lifeless | clarkb: we do need to be able to do this in general, because of the move to have functional testing in-tree | 17:18 |
| lifeless | clarkb: means we need to be able to do what we've done with dvsm, for libraries | 17:18 |
| clarkb | lifeless: functional tests already do that | 17:18 |
| clarkb | generally | 17:18 |
| lifeless | clarkb: the ones using tox? | 17:18 |
| clarkb | because devstack-gate | 17:18 |
| clarkb | lifeless: they all use tox aiui | 17:19 |
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| fungi | clarkb: i think you're assuming this is that this is for neutron plugin testing. this is more like the library cross-testing oslotest does to make sure changes proposed to a library aren't going to break projects consuming it (except instead in this case we're wanting to test that changes proposed to constraints don't blow up, e.g., neutron's unit tests) | 17:19 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya I think my suggestion for neutron works in that case too | 17:20 |
| clarkb | you just have an explicit build step that is for something other than neutron in those cases | 17:20 |
| lifeless | clarkb: I don't see how nova's functional venv would be looking up zuul refs | 17:20 |
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| lifeless | clarkb: (just picking one at random) | 17:21 |
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| fungi | clarkb: i initially just tried adding gate-neutron-pep8-constraints to openstack/requirements list of jobs, but didn't think through that doing that would result in cloning openstack/requirements rather than openstack/neutron so had to quickly revert the addition | 17:21 |
| clarkb | the underlying problem here is you are trying to take a non integration test case and make it an integration job | 17:21 |
| clarkb | that won't work | 17:21 |
| lifeless | clarkb: anyhow, I'm doing a spike to see how hard it is | 17:21 |
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| clarkb | integration jobs require a lot more logic, its complicated and messy | 17:21 |
| pc_m | lifeless: hi | 17:21 |
| clarkb | devstack-gate does this for us already, the jobs that don't use devstack-gate wont | 17:22 |
| fungi | agreed, my conclusion was that we needed a new integration test job to do this, and that it's probably similar in nature to what was done for oslotest (for similar reasons) so there might already be something there we can copy? | 17:22 |
| fungi | jeblair: i've been contacted by a couple of people from linaro officially noting their interest in providing an arm64-based test cloud to us and wanting to discuss next steps | 17:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Remove OVERRIDE_ENABLED_SERVICES from neutron yaml files https://review.openstack.org/252493 | 17:22 |
| clarkb | (this reminds me I need to pick up on the d-g PROJECTS cleanup again) | 17:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Hemanth Makkapati proposed openstack/requirements: Rename glance-store to glance_store https://review.openstack.org/253088 | 17:23 |
| lifeless | fungi: I don't se anyting special in oslotest | 17:23 |
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| lifeless | fungi: there is an unused oslotest-cross-test job group | 17:24 |
| lifeless | fungi: which looks to be based on devstack | 17:24 |
| fungi | lifeless: yeah, that may be what i'm remembering. no idea if dhellmann ever finished getting that working | 17:24 |
| lifeless | jenkins/jobs/oslo.yaml | 17:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pedro Alvarez Piedehierro proposed openstack-infra/storyboard: RFC: Add story_title to tag events. https://review.openstack.org/251566 | 17:25 |
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| lifeless | hmm | 17:25 |
| lifeless | so really I don't think this needs to be super hard | 17:25 |
| lifeless | there are basically two and only two things we need to do for any cross repo thing | 17:25 |
| lifeless | a) put it on disk somewhere | 17:26 |
| lifeless | b) edit the constraints text file we're going to be using | 17:26 |
| dhellmann | fungi, lifeless : there are some scripts in oslo-incubator to run cross tests of a patch in a lib against all its consumers. dims is also doing something now with travis-ci, I think. | 17:26 |
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| lifeless | and pip will do the right thing | 17:26 |
| fungi | lifeless: i see in layout.yaml some gate-cliff-tox-{openstackclient,neutronclient}-tip jobs | 17:26 |
| dhellmann | fungi , lifeless : those were just for the unit tests, though | 17:26 |
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| jeblair | fungi: neat! i think maybe as a group we need to decide whether we want to cross the architecture bridge (think nodepool dib images, etc), whether we want to ask for some new folks to help with that. we should also consider whether we want to do the same with power. | 17:27 |
| dhellmann | fungi : yeah, those jobs were eventually going to be replaced by the ones running the scripts that live in the incubator | 17:27 |
| fungi | dhellmann: yep, that's what we want to do. run unit tests for various projects, but with proposed openstack/requirements changes | 17:27 |
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| jeblair | dhellmann, dims: why travis? | 17:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ricardo Carrillo Cruz proposed openstack-infra/puppet-infracloud: Add bifrost manifest https://review.openstack.org/231757 | 17:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Ricardo Carrillo Cruz proposed openstack-infra/puppet-infracloud: Add utilities folder for puppet-infracloud https://review.openstack.org/253093 | 17:27 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : it was easier to experiment there, I think, to work out what was needed | 17:27 |
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| fungi | jeblair: it's entirely possible linaro are offering to help within infra on getting the new architecture working for jobs, since i recall them talking some months back about running their own ci and working internally on nodepool deployment | 17:28 |
| jeblair | dhellmann, dims: i don't understand that since i think what was needed would be completely different. | 17:28 |
| dhellmann | running the unit tests for some of the bigger projects takes quite a lot of time, so we would need a node for several hours. running them in parallel would consume all available nodes in some cases. | 17:28 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : yeah, I don't know, I wasn't involved in that | 17:28 |
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| jeblair | dhellmann: it's my understanding that our ci system dwarfs the public travis system. | 17:29 |
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| dhellmann | I think he's using it instead of a dedicated node for "run all unit tests before releasing this lib" | 17:29 |
| dhellmann | I used to do that on my hpcloud account | 17:29 |
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| dhellmann | it ran overnight | 17:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Adam Coldrick proposed openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient: Add UI for complex permissions on boards and worklists https://review.openstack.org/235476 | 17:29 |
| fungi | yeah, i've at least hard numbers that make it sound like running in parallel would consume all of travis before it would consume all of openstack infra's quota | 17:29 |
| dhellmann | yeah, no question, I don't think they run in parallel there either | 17:30 |
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| jeblair | dhellmann, dims_: at some point can we chat about what you need? it is our intent to be of service to projects in whatever way we can. | 17:31 |
| nibalizer | krotscheck: i think you can lift text from EmilienM 's commits, or he and I can yea | 17:31 |
| nibalizer | if you're cool with a patchset being pushed over your change the EmilienM and I can just deal with it | 17:31 |
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| jeblair | dhellmann, dims_: and maybe the answer is we need to do something else for this case, but at the moment, i don't know what it is so it's hard to evolve our tools to do it | 17:31 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : sure. We had the conversation several times in the past, and kept coming to the conclusion that what we needed exceeded a reasonable amount of resources. Maybe that has changed. I'm also not working on this directly now, though, so it's possible dims has pushed the state of things farther than I know. | 17:32 |
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| dhellmann | jeblair : we need a node with all repos checked out and up to date where we can run many tox commands in series and capture all of their output over the course of something like 12 hours | 17:32 |
| clarkb | fwiw travis doesn't do that | 17:33 |
| dhellmann | at least that's what I was doing, as I say, dims may have a better system in place by now | 17:33 |
| clarkb | they have aggressive job timeouts | 17:33 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: right; in the past we had discussed running unit tests for all projects in separate jobs, which is completely feasible and slightly insane, even by our standards :) | 17:33 |
| dhellmann | ok, so forget I mentioned travis -- he's doing this *somewhere* by hand | 17:33 |
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| jeblair | dhellmann: at least on every change | 17:34 |
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| dhellmann | jeblair : right, for now he only does it with release candidates, iiuc | 17:34 |
| zaro | mgagne: great observation. that's probably a bug. it looks like there's a new gerrit.config setting 'allowDrafts/ that will disable that.https://review-dev.openstack.org/Documentation/config-gerrit.html#change | 17:34 |
| dhellmann | you should probably talk to him about it, though :-) | 17:34 |
| EmilienM | nibalizer: context? | 17:34 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: but... triggering 200 jobs every couple of weeks before a release... that's less insane, but also not super easy to do right now | 17:34 |
| zaro | mgagne: i've set it for review-dev.o.o and i can no longer push drafts. | 17:34 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: and is something we could work on making easier if that's needed | 17:34 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : oslo releases weekly | 17:34 |
| mordred | I wasn't looking ... and now I see conversation about travis | 17:35 |
| clarkb | jeblair: it actually wouldn't be too bad to use prerealse to do that | 17:35 |
| mordred | should I read the backscroll? | 17:35 |
| dhellmann | mordred : no | 17:35 |
| mordred | or just ignore it | 17:35 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: so every release can get a beta day before | 17:35 |
| clarkb | jeblair: then check results and if good, push final release | 17:35 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yah | 17:35 |
| dhellmann | clarkb : betas are not installed automatically with our tox configurations right now | 17:35 |
| dhellmann | that's part of why we stopped using them | 17:35 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: the jobs can be made to do it | 17:35 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: how many projects? | 17:35 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: thats semi trivial to fix | 17:35 |
| clarkb | (its just a PIP flag iirc) | 17:35 |
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| dhellmann | jeblair : N Oslo libs * all openstack projects? Not all projects use all libs, of course, but most use at least oslo.config. | 17:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Create experimental job for pep8/doc constraints VPN https://review.openstack.org/253101 | 17:36 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: i don't know either N or (num_openstack_projects) :( | 17:37 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I don't know off the top of my head, either, just a sec | 17:37 |
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| jeblair | but unit tests are like, what, 15 mins | 17:37 |
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| dims_ | jeblair : i use https://travis-ci.org/dims/ to essentially run py27 and py34 for 8 of the biggest oslo users. i install latest oslo libraries from git master in the tox.ini for each project using a script https://github.com/dims/nova/blob/master/tox.ini#L22 | 17:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Adam Coldrick proposed openstack-infra/storyboard: Implement complex permissions for worklists and boards https://review.openstack.org/235472 | 17:38 |
| dims_ | this helps me catch a whole lot of bugs as i run all the oslo masters together | 17:38 |
| jeblair | to put it in perspective, that means about every 92 of these jobs would to the node-time of 1 tempest change in check. | 17:38 |
| jeblair | to put it in perspective, that means about every 92 of these jobs would equate to the node-time of 1 tempest change in check. | 17:39 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : 127 projects use oslo.config | 17:39 |
| jeblair | let's add in 5 mins of node launch time to be fair... | 17:39 |
| jeblair | which means 69 jobs to 1 tempest change... so overall it would have the queue impact of about 2 tempest changes | 17:40 |
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| dhellmann | jeblair : oslo has 36 repos, of which about 32 are active libs I think | 17:41 |
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| dims_ | dhellmann : i test 20 active libs (prefixed by oslo* - https://raw.githubusercontent.com/dims/dims.github.io/master/oslo-from-master.sh) | 17:43 |
| dhellmann | dims_ : ah, ok, I was ballparking based on dropping a few things that I knew weren't libs at all | 17:43 |
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| jeblair | dims_: we can definitely do 20 libs tested across 8 projects in our system | 17:43 |
| dims_ | ack 20 active libs together against 8 projects (py27 and py34) | 17:43 |
| mgagne | zaro cool :D | 17:43 |
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| jeblair | dims_: if you can work with us to use the openstack ci system for that, it will mean i can stop crying into my keyboard | 17:44 |
| dhellmann | dims_ : and if we're only testing with 8 projects that's a lot more manageable than trying to be comprehensive | 17:44 |
| dims_ | jeblair of course :) | 17:44 |
| jeblair | (my keyboard has drain holes, so it'll be okay, but it's still a mess) | 17:44 |
| dims_ | dhellmann right | 17:44 |
| clarkb | jeblair: did you klnow the x230 and x250 have drain holes but the x240 doesn't | 17:44 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i had not noticed! | 17:45 |
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| jeblair | dims_, dhellmann: yeah, so the overall system impact of 20*8 is in the ballpark of "2 tempest changes". i feel pretty confident about doing that anytime. | 17:45 |
| jeblair | dims_, dhellmann: even the 4k jobs needed to do everything would take < 1 hour over the weekend. :) | 17:46 |
| dims_ | jeblair : essentially we need to specify these libs in LIBS_FROM_GIT, make sure we install these after the requirements/test-requirements (as they stomp on the master sometimes) and then tox run the py27,py34 for the 8 projects | 17:46 |
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| jeblair | dims_: i thought libsfromgit was just a devstack thing? | 17:46 |
| dims_ | jeblair y, it's used to test say oslo.config from master with say nova (in DSVM) | 17:47 |
| dims_ | instead of pulling the lib from pip | 17:47 |
| fungi | i think those jobs are devstack-gate based | 17:47 |
| dims_ | right | 17:47 |
| jeblair | wow it's just the swiss army knife now isn't it? | 17:47 |
| dims_ | fungi : all i need is ability to run py27,py34 | 17:48 |
| fungi | so they can sidestep the integration test setup needs | 17:48 |
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| dhellmann | dims_ : LIBS_FROM_GIT is used for unit tests, too now? | 17:48 |
| dims_ | dhellmann : no, i meant something equivalent | 17:48 |
| dhellmann | ah | 17:48 |
| dims_ | without needing devstack | 17:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Khai Do proposed openstack-infra/puppet-gerrit: Allow puppet to enabling or disabling gerrit drafts https://review.openstack.org/253110 | 17:49 |
| zaro | mgagne: ^ | 17:49 |
| dims_ | i don't mind if these jobs are periodic as long as i have a way to trigger them when i need it | 17:49 |
| dims_ | which is what i end up doing in travis | 17:50 |
| sdague | gerrit question, is there a way to show file mode changes? | 17:50 |
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| sdague | we just had a nova review that changes some file modes that no one noticed | 17:50 |
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| sdague | and in looking again, it's not clear that there is a way to see those | 17:50 |
| fungi | sdague: i thought it showed them but maybe that's just gertty that does it | 17:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Create experimental job for pep8/doc constraints FW https://review.openstack.org/253113 | 17:51 |
| fungi | sdague: what's the change in question? | 17:51 |
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| sdague | d60497e9f9ce8a6fc54a457eaa2cdab2a817ac90 | 17:51 |
| jeblair | dims_: i think if we want to manually trigger, we should make a new pipeline here, that works like 'check experimental'; unless you wanted to do clarkb's suggestion with pre-release. | 17:51 |
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| sdague | which is also Iba24f2ed9d2d3161318b4b1fc55c0e97d7aed1c6 | 17:51 |
| jeblair | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127427/ | 17:51 |
| jeblair | patchset 56 | 17:52 |
| sdague | yep | 17:52 |
| sdague | thanks jeblair | 17:52 |
| dims_ | jeblair : on demand, any way is ok | 17:52 |
| fungi | sdague: unified view shows it | 17:52 |
| fungi | sdague: just not side-by-side | 17:53 |
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| fungi | gives you the diff output details including old/new modes in octal | 17:53 |
| sdague | fungi: ah, ok | 17:53 |
| jeblair | even that's kinda subtle | 17:53 |
| sdague | yeh, it is pretty subtle | 17:54 |
| jeblair | it's in the "block of light grey text you don't want to read" | 17:54 |
| sdague | it at least gives me a tool for reviewing the permission when I *know* they are changing | 17:54 |
| fungi | yeah, it certainly doesn't jump up and down screaming "i just made this file executable!" | 17:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Create experimental job for pep8/docs constraints LB https://review.openstack.org/253114 | 17:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Ricardo Carrillo Cruz proposed openstack-infra/puppet-infracloud: Add bifrost manifest https://review.openstack.org/231757 | 17:54 |
| sdague | yeh, it's unfortunate that it's not in the summary | 17:54 |
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| sdague | ok | 17:55 |
| fungi | checked new change screen (in 2.11 on review-dev) to see if it's better? | 17:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Pedro Alvarez Piedehierro proposed openstack-infra/storyboard: RFC: Add story_title to tag events. https://review.openstack.org/251566 | 17:55 |
| fungi | though i don't see a field for it in the table | 17:55 |
| fungi | i'll push up a test there | 17:55 |
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| jeblair | mordred: did your nodepool cloud name work land? | 17:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pedro Alvarez Piedehierro proposed openstack-infra/storyboard: RFC: Add story_title to tag events. https://review.openstack.org/251566 | 17:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Khai Do proposed openstack-infra/gearman-plugin: Update to Jenkins LTS 1.625.2 and fix function registration https://review.openstack.org/252768 | 17:57 |
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| sdague | yeh, no real dice | 17:57 |
| sdague | yeh, maybe a feature request from zaro | 17:57 |
| fungi | https://review-dev.openstack.org/5393 is a change which changes only the file mode on a file | 17:57 |
| sdague | yeh, I just added 5392 as well | 17:58 |
| fungi | at least it shows file mode changes in the side-by-side view now https://review-dev.openstack.org/5393 | 17:58 |
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| sdague | oh, yeh it is there - https://review-dev.openstack.org/#/c/5392/1/D | 17:58 |
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| fungi | er https://review-dev.openstack.org/#/c/5393/1/test1 | 17:58 |
| sdague | yep | 17:58 |
| sdague | ok, that's an improvement | 17:58 |
| fungi | slight at least | 17:58 |
| sdague | it would still be nicer in the top level summary table | 17:58 |
| fungi | it's no longer grey text, blueish now | 17:58 |
| sdague | but anyway, I have my answer | 17:58 |
| fungi | or my eyes need to be checked | 17:58 |
| sdague | it's findable, if you go looking for it in current impementation | 17:59 |
| fungi | i agree adding old/new file modes to the summary table would be great, even if only as a preference option | 17:59 |
| sdague | ok, I'll file an upstream bug | 17:59 |
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| fungi | i've filed a support ticket with microsoft about their blocking of messages from lists.openstack.org to hotmail.com | 18:03 |
| fungi | not expecting much, but at least i can say i did all i can | 18:03 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: commented on 252678 | 18:05 |
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| asselin__ | zaro, do you have this built somewhere? /home/jenkins/workspace/gate-gearman-plugin-build/target/gearman-plugin.hpi | 18:07 |
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| jeblair | nova absolute-limits | 18:10 |
| jeblair | ERROR (Exception): Field names must be unique! | 18:11 |
| jeblair | for crying out loud. | 18:11 |
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| rcarrillocruz | asselin__: http://tarballs.openstack.org/ci/ | 18:12 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Sweet, thanks. | 18:12 |
| asselin__ | rcarrillocruz, looking for this version: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252768/2 | 18:13 |
| zaro | asselin__: unfortantely i think the ci job only pakcages on POST pipeline which means the change must merge first. i can do a build and upload it somewher if you would like test it. | 18:14 |
| krotscheck | nibalizer: If you or EmilienM could do that, that'd be great. I'm just not interested in taking on patch responsibility for riders. | 18:14 |
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| asselin__ | zaro, yeah...I can build it too, but don't have the env setup. I wanted to test it. | 18:15 |
| rcarrillocruz | yeah, iirc the post job is linked to gate merge | 18:15 |
| rcarrillocruz | (i remember cos i chatted with zaro for maven build jobs a while ago) | 18:15 |
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| clarkb | zaro I thought it makes an artifact on check | 18:16 |
| clarkb | its how we test things on jenkins dev | 18:16 |
| clarkb | push patch grab hpi deploy on -dev | 18:16 |
| zaro | i'm checking tarballs.o.o and i'm not seeing an hpi for it | 18:17 |
| jeblair | krotscheck, nibalizer: oh, just read the ps1 comments -- krotscheck you can find the usage in cacti (youll see my link in the ps2 comments) | 18:17 |
| clarkb | hrm maybe thats just gerrit wars then | 18:17 |
| clarkb | its something we can do | 18:17 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: dims_: jeblair: sorry - it was breakfast time for family | 18:18 |
| lifeless | yes, at least part of my goal here is to enable things like that | 18:18 |
| zaro | yeah, gerrit war will package on check and put it on tarballs, but not for the gearman-plugin | 18:18 |
| lifeless | systematically, rather than adhoc | 18:18 |
| jeblair | krotscheck, nibalizer: nibalizer i agree there are good reasons (especially regarding having one mirror explode and take out the others) to separate them. otoh, combining them is more space efficient. where we use cinder, we also use lvm, which makes either approach easy. | 18:18 |
| zaro | asselin__: so it's the jenkins ENV you need not actually a packaged plugin correct? | 18:19 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair, nibalizer: Ok, so attach cinder volume, split into different bits? | 18:19 |
| jeblair | krotscheck, nibalizer: however, not all of our clouds have cinder; some just have a really big disk, and there i think the all-in-one approach is sort of the defacto situation. so i think we should go with that as the lowest common denominator | 18:19 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: sorry, wasn't typing fast enough :) | 18:20 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Time to dust off that copy of keyboard commander :) | 18:20 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: it _sounded_ like i was typing fast | 18:20 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck, nibalizer: so to be clear, i think we should not separate the mirrors | 18:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Create experimental job for pep8/docs constraints LB https://review.openstack.org/253114 | 18:24 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: You mean separating on-disk, yes? | 18:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ricardo Carrillo Cruz proposed openstack-infra/glean: Fix missing .cfg on exist_debian_interface function check https://review.openstack.org/252369 | 18:25 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Responded to your email comment- I'm really just interested in letting people know that any active downloads during the "move bandersnatch directory" step may fail, thus causing the build to fail. | 18:25 |
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| asselin__ | zaro, I was going to load the packaged plugin into jenkins | 18:27 |
| asselin__ | and see if I can run jobs on master | 18:27 |
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| zaro | asselin__: test with your personal build ok? | 18:28 |
| asselin__ | zaro, sure | 18:29 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: cool +2 | 18:29 |
| jeblair | er +1 | 18:29 |
| jeblair | or +1+1=+2 idunno | 18:29 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: danke :) | 18:29 |
| krotscheck | math is hard | 18:29 |
| jeblair | gerrit math is even harder | 18:29 |
| pabelanger | nibalizer: crinkle: Looking for some help on https://github.com/puppetlabs/puppetlabs-apache/pull/1271 what sort of turn around time should I be expecting for puppetlabs to pick that up and run with it? | 18:30 |
| pabelanger | nibalizer: crinkle: Were at 2 weeks today with no feedback | 18:30 |
| krotscheck | It's the only place where 2 + 2 = A | 18:30 |
| crinkle | pabelanger: hop into the module triage right now | 18:31 |
| crinkle | pabelanger: https://bluejeans.com/280736660/ | 18:32 |
| crinkle | (from #puppet-dev) | 18:32 |
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| pabelanger | crinkle: thanks | 18:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Create experimental job for pep8/doc constraints VPN https://review.openstack.org/253101 | 18:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add support for the RunDeck plugin https://review.openstack.org/205721 | 18:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Ricardo Carrillo Cruz proposed openstack-infra/puppet-jenkins: Add cli manifest to Jenkins https://review.openstack.org/222923 | 18:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Create experimental job for pep8/doc constraints FW https://review.openstack.org/253113 | 18:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add support for "tox" builder https://review.openstack.org/251249 | 18:38 |
| rcarrillocruz | hmm | 18:39 |
| rcarrillocruz | folks | 18:39 |
| rcarrillocruz | clarkb, fungi: you don't have puppet to automatically start the jenkins service, do you? | 18:39 |
| EmilienM | krotscheck: what is the context? sorry I can't find any url | 18:39 |
| rcarrillocruz | i remember you ahve as pattern having services to be manual as a general rule | 18:39 |
| rcarrillocruz | ? | 18:39 |
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| asselin__ | rcarrillocruz, jenkins service is managed manually | 18:40 |
| rcarrillocruz | cos if so, I'd rather put an unless on the exec of https://review.openstack.org/222923 | 18:40 |
| asselin__ | rcarrillocruz, I remember the puppet code is commented out | 18:40 |
| fungi | rcarrillocruz: i'm pretty sure it's not set with the service resource as ensure=>running so that we can stop it without disabling puppet | 18:40 |
| rcarrillocruz | ++ | 18:40 |
| rcarrillocruz | will push a patchset then to remove the service | 18:40 |
| rcarrillocruz | thx asselin__ fungi | 18:40 |
| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: we want the service _enabled_ by puppet, but not _running_ | 18:41 |
| rcarrillocruz | yeah | 18:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add regexp option to conditional publisher https://review.openstack.org/229123 | 18:42 |
| rcarrillocruz | everytime i define some resource in puppet in a manifest it makes me nervous, in the sense i may get 'resource redeclare' SOMEWHERE | 18:42 |
| SpamapS | rcarrillocruz: I responded again on the glean upstart job | 18:43 |
| rcarrillocruz | k | 18:43 |
| SpamapS | rcarrillocruz: it's.. complicated. :-/ | 18:43 |
| rcarrillocruz | will look in a bit | 18:43 |
| rcarrillocruz | yeah, i know... i've been trying dozens of variations :/ | 18:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Khai Do proposed openstack-infra/puppet-gerrit: Allow puppet to enabling or disabling Gerrit drafts feature https://review.openstack.org/253110 | 18:43 |
| SpamapS | rcarrillocruz: we may want to add the pre-start logic I suggested to glean itself | 18:43 |
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| SpamapS | rcarrillocruz: basically, "spin until you have a configdrive" | 18:44 |
| rcarrillocruz | wow | 18:45 |
| rcarrillocruz | ok SpamapS | 18:45 |
| rcarrillocruz | i see upstart is difficult beast to express things | 18:45 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i'll try out your suggestion in an infra cloud box and get back to you | 18:46 |
| rcarrillocruz | thx | 18:46 |
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| greghaynes | BTW - Did we identify upstart as the culprit here? | 18:47 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/gear: Add a test for worker termination https://review.openstack.org/252555 | 18:47 |
| greghaynes | It does seem weird that it wouldn't always send the networking per interface event for each interface... | 18:48 |
| rcarrillocruz | greghaynes: i pasted a 'paste' link on the change | 18:49 |
| SpamapS | rcarrillocruz: the whole reason systemd was started was that upstart never completed the ability to track state (which was planned) | 18:49 |
| rcarrillocruz | basicly, doing an 'echo "interface $INTERFACE for glean running" >> /tmp/glean.out | 18:49 |
| rcarrillocruz | and i only get eth1 on that log | 18:49 |
| rcarrillocruz | no eth0, no others | 18:49 |
| SpamapS | rcarrillocruz: Lennart and Kay were trying to help with upstart, but KeyBuk (the author of upstart) was burned out by the 10.04 cycle where he was basically working 80 hours a week to get boot time on a crappy laptop disk down to 5s. ;) | 18:50 |
| greghaynes | Also, glean already has a lock fwiw | 18:50 |
| SpamapS | greghaynes: yeah I saw that, that helps | 18:50 |
| rcarrillocruz | yeah, pointed that out to SpamapS | 18:50 |
| rcarrillocruz | i thought it could be due to the lock code, but it works | 18:50 |
| rcarrillocruz | been doing several tests | 18:50 |
| SpamapS | no the local-filesystems _is the problem_ | 18:51 |
| rcarrillocruz | SpamapS: oh, lennart as in the systemd guy | 18:51 |
| rcarrillocruz | ? | 18:51 |
| SpamapS | because people see start on as a dependency tree | 18:51 |
| SpamapS | but it is an event filter | 18:51 |
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| SpamapS | so the first time local-filesystems happens and network-interface happens, local-filesystems is consumed.. no more things match | 18:51 |
| rcarrillocruz | OH | 18:51 |
| fungi | SpamapS: was he a traveller from the beforetime, when people still shut laptops down and booted them later, rather than suspending and resuming? | 18:51 |
| SpamapS | fungi: I actually shut mine down daily. | 18:52 |
| jeblair | (also, local filesystems are lame. something something afs) | 18:52 |
| fungi | luddite | 18:52 |
| SpamapS | fungi: your memory is in danger. ;) | 18:52 |
| rcarrillocruz | so is some sort of a queue, first service consumes it, then it's gone from the queue and no more services can match it | 18:52 |
| fungi | heh | 18:52 |
| fungi | indeed | 18:52 |
| rcarrillocruz | euwww | 18:52 |
| SpamapS | my x250 boots in about 5s | 18:52 |
| greghaynes | Oh wow, polling for config drive.... | 18:52 |
| * fungi hides the can of refrigerant | 18:52 | |
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| SpamapS | and shutting down helps me clear out all those useless tabs | 18:53 |
| greghaynes | You had one job, upstart! | 18:53 |
| rcarrillocruz | anyway, let me finish up this jenkins cli thing and i'll test that out | 18:53 |
| SpamapS | greghaynes: yep, note that the mount point stuff is not in upstart, it is in mountall | 18:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Kashyap Chamarthy proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add a query for libvirt error when 'TestBootVolumePattern' fails https://review.openstack.org/253134 | 18:53 |
| pleia2 | good, post appointments, morning! | 18:53 |
| SpamapS | greghaynes: we _CAN_ do this in upstart btw | 18:53 |
| SpamapS | greghaynes: with two jobs... | 18:53 |
| SpamapS | greghaynes: but.. python.. so much simpler.. | 18:53 |
| greghaynes | Ah. Wow. :( | 18:53 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: i feel like you've just made an equivalency between the browser and the os. kind of like.... "I shut down my Internet at the end of every day!" | 18:54 |
| jeblair | ah the 90s | 18:54 |
| SpamapS | well you have to | 18:54 |
| SpamapS | so you can make phone calls | 18:54 |
| jeblair | good point -- the line's been busy all day | 18:55 |
| jswarren | jeblair: I posted a couple more graphite changes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252909/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252932/ | 18:55 |
| SpamapS | https://www.dialupsound.com/ | 18:55 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: my voice can connect at 300 baud | 18:56 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: that was a line in a Dr. Dre song wasn't it? | 18:56 |
| jeblair | jswarren: i will look at those just as soon as i fix this fantastic bug in gertty | 18:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ricardo Carrillo Cruz proposed openstack-infra/puppet-jenkins: Add cli manifest to Jenkins https://review.openstack.org/222923 | 18:58 |
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| jswarren | jeblair: ok, thanks | 19:00 |
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| fungi | good news: the support ticket i opened with microsoft has resulted in them lifting the block, though they note it may take a day or two before it's fully in effect | 19:06 |
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| jeblair | nicely done | 19:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack/gertty: Support multiple key input https://review.openstack.org/242885 | 19:12 |
| jeblair | much better | 19:12 |
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| harlowja | clarkb fungi ya, i used outlook.com/hotmail for a while, but it blows, haha | 19:16 |
| harlowja | i'm pretty sure they have a IMAP server for all those services running on 1 VM somewhere | 19:16 |
| * harlowja switched to fastmail and its all better (on the cheapy account) | 19:16 | |
| harlowja | fungi good luck with that :-P | 19:17 |
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| jeblair | for the second day in a row, i'm reviewing patch series that have been around for a while and have a bunch of revisions. some of these changes i have +3d 4 months and 15 patchsets ago. | 19:17 |
| harlowja | if u can tell them to add more than 1 VM to there IMAP server pool that'd be cool to, ha | 19:17 |
| jeblair | in the intervening 15 patches, i have no idea what has changed | 19:17 |
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| jeblair | there's 4 months of rebasing in them, so interpatchset diffs are useless | 19:17 |
| fungi | jeblair: yeah, in those situations i end up just reviewing them from scratch, which is extremely unfortunate | 19:17 |
| fungi | and a pretty big waste of time | 19:18 |
| jeblair | fungi: this makes me grumpy which is bad for everyone | 19:18 |
| fungi | i can understand that | 19:18 |
| jeblair | so i'm wondering if we can work on a convention here | 19:18 |
| jeblair | to annotate new patch sets with why they have been uploaded... | 19:19 |
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| jeblair | like "rebase", or "fixed a thing". | 19:19 |
| fungi | it sounds great on the surface, though i can only imagine the amount of cat herding involved | 19:19 |
| fungi | to get people to actually follow it | 19:20 |
| jeblair | to help reviewers (and, honestly, authors too who eventually forget why they uploaded 15 new patch sets) | 19:20 |
| fungi | i've tried to do that myself in the past, though not always sure i've been diligent about it | 19:20 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: I kind of feel like a limit on the depth of patch streams would help. 5 is right out. | 19:20 |
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| SpamapS | jeblair: but also, maybe an expectation that reviewers will -1 with "Could you please explain what has changed since my last vote?" | 19:21 |
| jeblair | fungi: yeah, it might not work... i guess i'm trying to figure out whether that's a good idea, or we should brainstorm on something else, or whether we should try to promulgate doing that as an experiment... | 19:21 |
| fungi | this is true. when you rebase a change several in on a patch series and it causes new basically no-op rebases of all the children, that generates a lot of noise | 19:21 |
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| jeblair | SpamapS: yeah, deep patch series are :( | 19:22 |
| jeblair | the thing is, they're great and workable the first time | 19:22 |
| SpamapS | diff the diffs maybe? If the diff is only on metadata, then propagate the votes forward? | 19:22 |
| fungi | i'm in favor of giving it a try, i just don't have high hopes we'll be able to convince enough people to get broad adoption | 19:22 |
| fungi | SpamapS: it already does that | 19:23 |
| SpamapS | Oh right | 19:23 |
| jeblair | fungi, SpamapS: well, 'diff the diffs' is really interdiffing | 19:23 |
| jeblair | which is different than what gerrit does | 19:23 |
| fungi | oh, true | 19:23 |
| jeblair | interdiff *actually is* what i want | 19:23 |
| jeblair | but i've not wrapped my head around how to do it repeatably and accurately | 19:23 |
| jeblair | (if i could, or someone can help me with that, i will drop everything and add that to gertty in a heartbeat) | 19:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Moravec proposed openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci: Clarifications to the getting started notes in contrib/README https://review.openstack.org/253153 | 19:24 |
| AJaeger | jeblair: a few people give those comments... | 19:24 |
| AJaeger | jeblair: and then you have people that just rebase so that their patch is the most recent one ;( | 19:24 |
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| mordred | jeblair: yes, afair, nodepool now emits a cloud name | 19:25 |
| fungi | which is especially unhelpful to them if a lot of our reviewers are starting from the oldest/most stable changes rather than the newest ones | 19:25 |
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| jeblair | yeah, i think excessive rebasing is an antipattern | 19:25 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:25 |
| jeblair | "if you want your patch reviewed, do not rebase" :) | 19:26 |
| mordred | I try to only rebase if I have to because gerrit has a sad, or if there is a new patch that I need a patch to depend on | 19:26 |
| jeblair | yep | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | Right, git-review will already do a test-rebase but not commit it so that you know your patch is mergable right? | 19:26 |
| mordred | sometimes I accident when I'm editing down in a stack and rebase to get to an older patch and forget and rebase on origin/master - but I try to be good | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | so there's no reason to rebase unless you want to build on top of something that is in the new code since you started | 19:27 |
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| SpamapS | mordred: how do you not rebase on origin/master for that? Just find the commit? | 19:27 |
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| SpamapS | I do rebase -i origin/master as a habit | 19:27 |
| mordred | yah | 19:27 |
| SpamapS | but I don't like it | 19:27 |
| SpamapS | would be great if there was a shortcut for "rebase on the last commit between my master and origin/master" | 19:28 |
| mordred | git log ; scroll ; copy ; git rebase -i paste | 19:28 |
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| AJaeger | SpamapS: correct | 19:28 |
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| SpamapS | I guess if you actually branch master, you can do git rebase -i master | 19:29 |
| jeblair | SpamapS, mordred: i bet that's doable -- git review knows the local stack; we could do whatever it does to find that | 19:30 |
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| SpamapS | jeblair: we could also have git-review _reject_ unnecessary rebases... | 19:30 |
| jeblair | but i trust most folks around here to just deal with rebases; if i see 10 rebase comments since my last +2... sure, +2; unless i think "hey, something went in between then and now that might complicate this" | 19:31 |
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| fungi | i do the same thing mordred describes (look in git log to find the commit on which i want to rebase -i) | 19:33 |
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| jeblair | you can do HEAD~2 if you know how many commits | 19:33 |
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| fungi | and i too avoid rebasing unless i know it's necessary for reordering a patch series or to deal with a merge conflict which is keeping a new iteration of the change from passing tests | 19:34 |
| fungi | yeah, i sometimes do HEAD~2 or whatever, but if it gets past a few i check for an explicit commit sha because my counting is not trustworthy | 19:34 |
| fungi | of course, that's also possibly a sign my patch series is unnecessarily deep | 19:35 |
| fungi | so it's good that it's a somewhat painful interface, to remind me i'm maybe doing something stupid | 19:36 |
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| jeblair | git log --oneline HEAD --not --remotes=gerrit | 19:36 |
| jeblair | is what git-review does to show your local stack | 19:36 |
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| jeblair | so what we want is to rebase -i on the parent of the bottom of that, yeah? | 19:37 |
| fungi | yep | 19:37 |
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| jeblair | git merge-base HEAD origin/master | 19:40 |
| jeblair | git rebase -i `git merge-base HEAD origin/master` | 19:41 |
| jeblair | fungi, mordred, SpamapS: ^ something like that ? | 19:41 |
| fungi | testing | 19:41 |
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| jeblair | (assuming origin/master is up to date; gerrit/master might be better for some of us :) | 19:41 |
| * mordred doesn't hav ea gerrit master | 19:43 | |
| mordred | jeblair: and yes - that is what I need | 19:43 |
| fungi | that seems to work as hoped | 19:43 |
| * jeblair git aliases | 19:43 | |
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| mordred | jeblair: what are you calling yours? | 19:44 |
| fungi | ~/bin/git-safe-rebase | 19:44 |
| fungi | though i guess i could use a shell alias instead | 19:44 |
| jeblair | fungi: git has its own aliases too | 19:45 |
| jeblair | fungi: so you can just "git something" | 19:45 |
| fungi | oh! i either didn't know that or forgot about it | 19:45 |
| jeblair | mordred: hrm. | 19:45 |
| mordred | jeblair: I'm thinking about restack | 19:45 |
| electrofelix | zaro: does https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178794/ look ok to you? | 19:45 |
| jeblair | mordred: i like that. | 19:45 |
| fungi | but yeah that's why i was creating a git-whatever script, so it ends up being a git verb | 19:45 |
| jeblair | mordred made a good name. | 19:45 |
| fungi | mmm | 19:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Darragh Bailey proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Infer and build entry points from component modules https://review.openstack.org/252335 | 19:46 |
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| fungi | yeah, i like restack, aside from it reminding me of devstack's restack.sh | 19:46 |
| jeblair | restack = !git rebase -i `git merge-base HEAD origin/master` | 19:46 |
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| fungi | in the [alias] section of ~/.gitconfig | 19:47 |
| jeblair | yep | 19:47 |
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| jeblair | i really like this | 19:47 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:48 |
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| fungi | so nice | 19:48 |
| vilobhmm11 | fungi, mordred, jeblair : ping…I am working on adding a Consul driver to tooz..also jd__ is working on adding etcd driver..wanted to know what is the procedure so that ci will have support for etcd or consul | 19:48 |
| vilobhmm11 | harlowja : ^^ | 19:48 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: sadly, we just made dealing with large patch series easier, but at least we also made it easier to rebase them correctly :) | 19:48 |
| vilobhmm11 | SpamapS : ^^ | 19:48 |
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| harlowja | vilobhmm11 support in the CI images is what u mean right | 19:48 |
| fungi | vilobhmm11: not knowing much about either, is it just a distro package that needs to be installed for use in the job? | 19:48 |
| vilobhmm11 | harlowja : support in CI image to be more specific | 19:49 |
| mordred | vilobhmm11: we'll need to write a devstack plugin that can install consul | 19:49 |
| fungi | vilobhmm11: like on ubuntu trusty can we just "apt-get install consul" or "apt-get install etcd"? | 19:49 |
| mordred | fungi: consul is not yet distro packaged | 19:49 |
| fungi | etciting | 19:49 |
| vilobhmm11 | mordred : you have any previous example in infra repo that have done such tasks…so that i can refer them and submit a new patch | 19:50 |
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| mordred | vilobhmm11: not off the top of my head - I'll have to go lok for one and I'm on airplane wifi so I might not be your best helper on this today | 19:50 |
| jeblair | is it in fedora? | 19:50 |
| vilobhmm11 | mordred : safe travels ! :) ttyl | 19:50 |
| jeblair | or debian? ;) | 19:51 |
| harlowja | jeblair not afaik | 19:51 |
| harlowja | there is a ppa for consul, but ya, nothing offical afaik | 19:51 |
| harlowja | (maybe thats changed as of recent) | 19:52 |
| SpamapS | vilobhmm11: the zookeeper stuff is your best example. | 19:52 |
| jeblair | https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/consul/ | 19:52 |
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| jeblair | does that mean it's in f21 and later? | 19:52 |
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| harlowja | SpamapS zookeeper though is packaged, so it was slightly easier :-P | 19:53 |
| harlowja | *distro packaged | 19:53 |
| SpamapS | harlowja: sure, but the spot where it is apt-get installed, instead you add the PPA for consul and apt-get install... | 19:54 |
| SpamapS | and then you hound a DD to package it. ;) | 19:54 |
| fungi | yeah, there's a consul-migrate tool in debian, but the itp for consul itself is still open: https://bugs.debian.org/804277 | 19:54 |
| openstack | Debian bug 804277 in wnpp "ITP: consul -- Consul is a tool for service discovery, monitoring and configuration" [Wishlist,Open] | 19:54 |
| SpamapS | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=804277 | 19:54 |
| SpamapS | haha jinx | 19:55 |
| jeblair | we have intentionally not added ppas to our images | 19:55 |
| SpamapS | so.. | 19:55 |
| harlowja | who can we yell at to get it offical (not wishlist, ha) | 19:55 |
| jeblair | something about the project having an operating system support policy | 19:55 |
| fungi | however, jobs _can_ (and at least for experimental purposes sometimes do) add them, we just don't cache any | 19:55 |
| SpamapS | it's go | 19:55 |
| SpamapS | so you can also just host the binaries somewhere and fetch them. ;) | 19:56 |
| harlowja | *which is the wget approach :-/ | 19:56 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: these are things that one could do, but not things that one should do in our system | 19:56 |
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| fungi | for example, we were recently talking about a new job which adds a ppa to retrieve python 2.6 suitable for ubuntu-trusty so that pbr can possibly continue validating changes against it | 19:56 |
| SpamapS | I can see consul landing in Ubuntu backports in about.. a year... | 19:56 |
| SpamapS | until then.. :( | 19:57 |
| zaro | electrical: looking. | 19:57 |
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| fungi | but yes, it's subject to increased network-related instability because we're not going to add it as a default and so can't cache packages from it sanely | 19:57 |
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| SpamapS | https://releases.hashicorp.com/consul/0.5.2/consul_0.5.2_linux_amd64.zip ... | 19:58 |
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| SpamapS | .zip.. sexy | 19:58 |
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| SpamapS | https://www.consul.io/downloads.html links to sha256 sums and gpg bits to verify | 19:58 |
| SpamapS | I'd just use that until distros have it. | 19:58 |
| mordred | this once again comes back to the question of how to lead requirements for non-python things | 19:58 |
| SpamapS | and deal with the network instability :-P | 19:58 |
| mordred | since we _regularly_ use non-packaged python libraries and put the onus on the distros to package them by their next release | 19:59 |
| SpamapS | (part of why we like zk is that it's not so newfangled) | 19:59 |
| mordred | but we have no comprehenisve story for not-python | 19:59 |
| SpamapS | mordred: thats interesting. I wonder if we should add that to the driver support policy. | 19:59 |
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| SpamapS | "The backend has to be open source, and available in a release within 9 months of the driver being merged into tooz" | 20:00 |
| SpamapS | available in a distro release I mean. | 20:00 |
| harlowja | SpamapS i don't mind that statement, with 'leading-edge' stuff not sure there is much of a choice | 20:00 |
| jeblair | yeah, i'm perfectly happy to have this conversation and try to arrive at a solution | 20:00 |
| jeblair | but until then, can we please avoid suggesting to people that it's okay to download adhoc dependencies from random internets? | 20:00 |
| electrical | zaro: ? | 20:01 |
| harlowja | jeblair oh totally get the dislike of that, but alternatives are? | 20:01 |
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| vilobhmm11 | jeblair : apart from that what option do we have ? | 20:01 |
| vilobhmm11 | harlowja : +1 | 20:01 |
| fungi | is it more reasonable if the backends in question are simply considered experimental and not gating for official projects until they're abailable in a distro we're supporting (python libraries aside, since we already make a clear exception for those) | 20:02 |
| persia | SpamapS: Is the Ubuntu Backports process not still gameable? It used to take three people and a week to land anything one wanted. | 20:02 |
| mordred | jeblair: where did the distro support policy document go? | 20:02 |
| mordred | jeblair: I cannot find it in the governance repo | 20:02 |
| SpamapS | persia: You have to be _in_ the distro. | 20:02 |
| SpamapS | persia: so you need an AA to approve your NEW if you don't have it in Debian already. | 20:03 |
| fungi | though horizon's jobs that install tons of packages from npm are also flying in the face of this sort of design, hence krotscheck's desire to set up a mirror network for them | 20:03 |
| jeblair | harlowja: first, work with the community to get it into all the distros; second, see if it's already in a distro, (like fedora?); third, come up with a scalable way to do what mordred is saying. | 20:03 |
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| persia | SpamapS: Ah, so it is more a matter of not having collected AA favours: that makes sense :) | 20:03 |
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| SpamapS | fungi: regarding not gating official projects.. We're putting gating for tooz itself as a requirement to be in tree. If you aren't going to do that, you can live out of tree. | 20:04 |
| harlowja | jeblair although its a chicken-egg situation right, not saying its ideal | 20:04 |
| fungi | well, the itp bug in debian is less than a month old, so it's possible that's already nearing initial upload to sid | 20:04 |
| jeblair | okay seriously | 20:04 |
| SpamapS | and actually, I'm entirely fine with us saying Consul and etcd need to be in the distro before they land in tree. | 20:04 |
| jeblair | * yum install conul * works on f21 | 20:04 |
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| jeblair | so, just use fedora | 20:04 |
| fungi | right, so let's test it on fedora? | 20:04 |
| fungi | that | 20:04 |
| zaro | electrical: sorry it was meant for electrofelix | 20:04 |
| SpamapS | but | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | then I'd have to acknowledge Fedora exists | 20:05 |
| harlowja | whats fedora | 20:05 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:05 |
| * SpamapS feels a bit sheepish for not having looked | 20:05 | |
| mordred | if it's there, then it's easy | 20:05 |
| fungi | in fedora is also the workaround being dangled out there for testing more bleeding-edge libvirt | 20:05 |
| mordred | and does not violate the policy that I cannot currently find | 20:05 |
| harlowja | imaginary policy violation! | 20:06 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:06 |
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| mordred | seriously | 20:06 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Shift load from rax-dfw to rax-iad https://review.openstack.org/253176 | 20:06 |
| mordred | where is it? | 20:06 |
| mordred | we had one | 20:06 |
| mordred | I wrote it | 20:06 |
| mordred | we voted on it | 20:06 |
| fungi | *however* keep in mind that we can't keep testing on, say, f23 for stable branches. fedora is a moving target for us and we stop testing things on a given fedora release as soon as it's no longer supported by fedora | 20:06 |
| harlowja | u have been fined one credit for violating imaginary policy statute | 20:06 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:06 |
| jeblair | yeah, we consider those opportunistic jobs... we need packages to eventually end up in an LTS branch for long-term testing | 20:07 |
| jeblair | we'll run them as long as we can | 20:07 |
| fungi | so i'd like to acknowledge that for non-lts distros, those aren't suitable for stable branch jobs | 20:07 |
| harlowja | vilobhmm11 so u might want to see about fedora21, hopefully the consul version in it actually works (decently) | 20:07 |
| jeblair | ianw is working on f23 | 20:07 |
| jeblair | should have it soon hopefully | 20:07 |
| mordred | look at f23 - not f21 | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | fungi: what about backports? | 20:07 |
| vilobhmm11 | harlowja : let me check it… | 20:08 |
| fungi | SpamapS: suites like backports and uca are a tricky topic | 20:08 |
| fungi | SpamapS: if we have jobs which disagree on whether they want a backported version of a package, we get into a tangled mess | 20:08 |
| fungi | SpamapS: and we don't today have a good answer for caching lists and packages for suites we're not enabling | 20:09 |
| jeblair | infra-root: can we speedy-approve https://review.openstack.org/253176 ? | 20:09 |
| fungi | jeblair: lgtm | 20:09 |
| AJaeger | jeblair: you have one +2 | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | backports is enabled on all versions of Ubuntu | 20:09 |
| pleia2 | +A | 20:10 |
| SpamapS | you just have to add backports/ to the package name | 20:10 |
| fungi | SpamapS: ahh, in that case it's (probably?) fine | 20:10 |
| SpamapS | fungi: could still have the conflicting-requirement problem | 20:10 |
| fungi | i'm just thinking of debian where it's still contentious | 20:10 |
| openstackgerrit | John Warren proposed openstack-infra/puppet-graphite: Add support for django >= 1.4 https://review.openstack.org/252932 | 20:10 |
| SpamapS | if one devstack plugin says 'apt-get install postgresql' and the other says 'apt-get install backports/postgresql' ... | 20:11 |
| fungi | SpamapS: since we don't preinstall the packages, it's probably not an issue | 20:11 |
| fungi | sure, within a given job there have to be no conflicts | 20:11 |
| mordred | SpamapS: I think we can address that when/if it happens | 20:11 |
| fungi | but different jobs can safely conflict over something like that | 20:11 |
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| fungi | that is, once we're installing packages during job run-time | 20:11 |
| fungi | (which i'm jumping back on once i finish juno eol tasks) | 20:12 |
| mordred | yay juno EOL!!!!!!!! | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | k.. because my thinking is.. consul and etcd should, hopefully, land in Debian in the next, say, 3 months. | 20:12 |
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| SpamapS | and that means they will miss 16.04 | 20:12 |
| mordred | SpamapS: I'd love to have a deep conversation with you about solving the topic - but my internet is too poor to hav ea reasonable discussion | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | (Debian->ubuntu sync is stopped early for LTS's) | 20:12 |
| mordred | SpamapS: becaus eI really want to solve this well | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | mordred: :) | 20:13 |
| mordred | SpamapS: I propose we sync up on it toorrow when I have actual internet? | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | anyway, the likelihood is we'd land etcd and consul in xenial-backports | 20:13 |
| fungi | if they end up in trusty-backports and the backports suite is as you say enabled by default, then jobs can install them there hopefully without challenge | 20:13 |
| mordred | and maybe write up a proposed comprehsive approach to the problem | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | mordred: ACK | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | mordred: and maybe find your policy again? ;) | 20:13 |
| greghaynes | If there is a situation where youre hitting patchsets that have been sitting with a +2 for months and then you are having to re-review that seems like itself a problem even more so than the difficulties in dealing with removing the rebase noise in between | 20:13 |
| mordred | I swear to god | 20:13 |
| greghaynes | re: convo I am late to | 20:13 |
| mordred | it's driving me batty | 20:13 |
| mordred | I mean, I know what the policy is | 20:13 |
| mordred | but it should be in our governance docs | 20:14 |
| jeblair | greghaynes: perhaps? but maybe our workflow ought to be able to accommodate changing priorities and asynchronous schedules? | 20:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Create experimental job for pep8/docs constraints LB https://review.openstack.org/253114 | 20:14 |
| jeblair | greghaynes: i mean, i'm not convinced "land every patch as quickly as possible" is a metric of success. | 20:14 |
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| greghaynes | jeblair: it definitely isn't. | 20:15 |
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| jeblair | greghaynes: but then, i'm grumpy and sometimes i think we should not land some patches, which is really weird to a lot of people. | 20:15 |
| harlowja | mordred sureeee it is, ha | 20:15 |
| greghaynes | but, there is a strong negative feedback loop around review latency | 20:15 |
| jeblair | greghaynes: i'm specifically talking about changes that i have already reviewed | 20:15 |
| greghaynes | Yea, I am mostly wondering - why is that happening? | 20:16 |
| jeblair | greghaynes: or even in some cases, approved! | 20:16 |
| greghaynes | like, are they based off of something that hasnt been able to land? | 20:16 |
| jeblair | greghaynes: it varies | 20:16 |
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| jeblair | greghaynes: so i'm trying to make it easier for people to re-review them in that case | 20:16 |
| jeblair | so that they don't have to sit as long | 20:16 |
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| greghaynes | Sure, and that is useful, but it sounds like fixing a symptom of a problem | 20:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Create experimental job for pep8/doc constraints VPN https://review.openstack.org/253101 | 20:17 |
| jeblair | greghaynes: it might be, but the problem i'm trying to fix is that i can't actually tell you what the problem you're trying to identify is. | 20:17 |
| jeblair | greghaynes: i'm looking at a change with 15 revisions since i +3d it. why? no idea | 20:17 |
| jeblair | there are no comments on those revisions indicating why they may have been made. | 20:17 |
| mordred | "OpenStack will target its development efforts to latest Ubuntu/Fedora, but will not introduce any changes that would make it impossible to run on the latest Ubuntu LTS or latest RHEL." | 20:17 |
| mordred | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-01-08-20.02.log.html | 20:18 |
| harlowja | damn that was 2 years ago, lol | 20:18 |
| mordred | and pre-governance | 20:18 |
| harlowja | thats like a lifetime ago | 20:18 |
| * harlowja don't even think consul or etcd existed then, lol | 20:18 | |
| mordred | yah. but it's still valid and still what we do | 20:18 |
| harlowja | well define impossible, zookeeper exists ;) | 20:19 |
| greghaynes | jeblair: Is the builder series one of the examples here? | 20:19 |
| mordred | thing is - the rationale behind the "not introduce any changes" part was to allow use of new things as long as it was not unreasonable to backport those things to LTS distros | 20:19 |
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| greghaynes | jeblair: because I think the answer there is just coordination | 20:19 |
| jeblair | greghaynes: that was yesterday | 20:19 |
| mordred | harlowja: backporting zookeeper is not unreasonable | 20:19 |
| mordred | harlowja: backporting python or linux kernel is | 20:20 |
| harlowja | mordred agreed, i'm pretty sure its already there anyway (RHEL afaik was underway) | 20:20 |
| jeblair | greghaynes: what do you mean? | 20:20 |
| mordred | harlowja: I mean even for versions - using a version of zokeeper from latest fedora on rhel6 is not an unreasonable backport to suggest | 20:20 |
| harlowja | https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/zookeeper/timeline#n1 (approved for RHEL7?) | 20:20 |
| harlowja | *epel7 | 20:20 |
| greghaynes | jeblair: As in, wait until we are ready to make a push, and when we agree to make a push then we stop allowing things to conflict (base everything off it or make sure to not merge conflicting stuff), fix up the series and review quickly | 20:20 |
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| mordred | harlowja: suggesting that to run openstack you have to backport python 2.7 to rhel6 - that would be too much | 20:20 |
| harlowja | well rhel6 i think isn't the latest RHEL anymore so mordred probably not applicable | 20:21 |
| mordred | sure harlowja - it's an example :) | 20:21 |
| jeblair | greghaynes: that is a thing we might want to do sometimes, and i think doing it with the builders makes since since we all agree it's close | 20:21 |
| harlowja | mordred ya, the pain for rhel6 and staying on it, believe me i know ;) | 20:21 |
| jeblair | greghaynes: but that's not actually the thing i'm talking about | 20:21 |
| harlowja | (from real real life) | 20:21 |
| greghaynes | jeblair: Yep, that is a special rebase magnet case | 20:21 |
| greghaynes | jeblair: What is the other case? | 20:22 |
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| jeblair | greghaynes: i'm saying that i would find it helpful to understand why new patchsets were uploaded, regardless of the reason, i'd like to know the reason | 20:22 |
| harlowja | ianw do u have any contacts that know the status of zookeeper in epl7 ? (based on https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/zookeeper/ it seems like it might be there?) | 20:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Shift load from rax-dfw to rax-iad https://review.openstack.org/253176 | 20:23 |
| harlowja | (but i don't see it on https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/7/x86_64/z/ ) | 20:23 |
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| greghaynes | jeblair: Ya, that is definitely useful on its own | 20:23 |
| jeblair | greghaynes: so if a new PS is a rebase, that's good to know; if it's a fix, that's good to know. if it's a rebase+a fix in the same patchset, that's good to know so i can ask people to please not do that ;) | 20:24 |
| jeblair | greghaynes: but yeah, it's also related to having lots of rebases | 20:24 |
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| greghaynes | jeblair: Yep, its both, some rebases happen, but theres also a negative feedback loop where more rebases means more review time means more rebases | 20:25 |
| jeblair | greghaynes: so earlier we were talking about how it's desirable to avoid rebases unless necessary, and we found a way to perhaps make accidental rebases less likely | 20:25 |
| jeblair | greghaynes: but i also agree, that sometimes we need to avoid making them necessary | 20:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Travis McPeak proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Adding a Bandit job that runs baseline Bandit and add to Bandit https://review.openstack.org/253190 | 20:26 |
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| tmcpeak | hey guys - how's this looking? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253190/1 | 20:27 |
| tmcpeak | I always forget something :P | 20:27 |
| tmcpeak | wanted to get expert guidance early on | 20:27 |
| tmcpeak | I've ripped this from similar work I did in HP's internal systems, which as many of you know aren't super different | 20:27 |
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| tmcpeak | looks like I've forgotten good old projects.yaml for one :) | 20:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | K Jonathan Harker proposed openstack-infra/log_processor: Add support for per-file gear precedence https://review.openstack.org/253197 | 20:40 |
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| mordred | fungi: btw - I proposed adding infra-core to os-client-config-core because it's in our critical path now. hope that's ok :) | 20:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Create experimental job for pep8/doc constraints VPN https://review.openstack.org/253101 | 21:01 |
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| fungi | mordred: it's okay with me, though maybe worth confirming with more of infra-core that they're also okay with having +2 on that repo since it's not an infra repo | 21:02 |
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| mordred | fungi: I find it better to ask forgiveness ;) | 21:03 |
| fungi | mordred: well, it would be asking forgiveness at this point ;) | 21:03 |
| pleia2 | just like any other repo, I'll only vote if I know what I'm looking at anyway ;) so it doesn't bother me | 21:03 |
| pleia2 | and saw the mailing list post already too | 21:04 |
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| fungi | same, and same | 21:09 |
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| fungi | i already have +2 on so many projects i lack time to review that one more doesn't really make any difference to me at this point | 21:10 |
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| fungi | phschwartz: i'm curious, do you have any experience drawing environment architecture diagrams for cloud tenant use cases? the product working group is wanting to put together some documentation showing various example uses of openstack and i don't have a lot of time to help with it but am trying to think of other people who worked at service providers and might be interested in pitching in | 21:17 |
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| phschwartz | fungi: I have done it, but not the best. they look more like line diagrams. | 21:17 |
| phschwartz | I can help if needed | 21:17 |
| fungi | phschwartz: well, it's more the bones of the diagrams they need help with (technical details) and less the polish | 21:18 |
| fungi | i get the impression they are already flush with people who have experience making diagrams look pretty | 21:18 |
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| fungi | or really, anybody who might be interested in helping with that (it's an interesting diversion if you enjoy that sort of thing, i'm just way oversubscribed already) let me know | 21:19 |
| fungi | i can get you in touch with the people working on that project | 21:20 |
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| ianw | harlowja: theres a bug, let me find it | 21:21 |
| ruagair | o/ | 21:22 |
| ianw | harlowja: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1280159 | 21:22 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1280159 in zookeeper "EPEL7 branch for zookeeper" [Unspecified,New] - Assigned to ctubbsii-fedora | 21:22 |
| ianw | harlowja: do you mean EPEL or EPL (like unsupported, or in the base distro) | 21:23 |
| harlowja | ianw unsure :-P | 21:23 |
| harlowja | i'll take either, ha | 21:23 |
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| fungi | phschwartz: i'll cc you on a reply and you can feel free to commit to as much or as little as you feel like helping them with it. i just feel bad lacking time to help because i did lots of it in a role at a former employer, but that's also been long enough that things you've seen people deploying in clouds more recently may be a bit different that what i saw some years ago | 21:24 |
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| clarkb | fungi thry can reuse my ascii art in d-g :) | 21:35 |
| ianw | clarkb fungi jeblair : could any of you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252212/ ... it's to pre-install a missing package (due to a bug, described inline) so the f23 builds can progress | 21:35 |
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| fungi | clarkb: heh, actually i think they don't so much need diagrams of openstack deployments as diagrams of things people would run in an openstack-provided tenant | 21:36 |
| fungi | e.g. an example diagram of a web commerce system | 21:37 |
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| clarkb | ah | 21:37 |
| clarkb | though technically those diagrams are both cases | 21:37 |
| clarkb | because cloud in cloud | 21:37 |
| fungi | fair point | 21:37 |
| pleia2 | ianw: have a quick question inline | 21:37 |
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| fungi | use case: yo dawg i heard you like clouds so... | 21:38 |
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| ianw | pliea2: you mean just fold it into the install above? i certainly can, it was just to make it more obvious to pull out when it's not required | 21:40 |
| pleia2 | ianw: yeah | 21:40 |
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| jeblair | fungi: oh, they need someone to insert the little icon of a cloud between some boxes with lines | 21:40 |
| pleia2 | ianw: my concern is that when you run "yum install" it runs a lot of stuff that's not just installing the package (I think it updates the sources and things?) | 21:40 |
| fungi | jeblair: nah, they have the people who can insert the cloud icon and the lines, they need someone who can tell them to write "cloud" inside the icon | 21:41 |
| jeblair | fungi: that's way beyond me | 21:41 |
| fungi | and also to tell them where the icon and the lines should be | 21:41 |
| pleia2 | ianw: probably not worth doing that again just for the sake of being marginally clearer to read | 21:41 |
| jeblair | fungi: i can tell them what typeface to use, but that's about it | 21:42 |
| jeblair | (comic sans, obv) | 21:42 |
| fungi | obviously! | 21:42 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: are you about? I can be ready to deploy new pbx on trusty in a few minutes | 21:43 |
| clarkb | probably need to rereview the change and get it merged | 21:43 |
| fungi | pleia2: ianw: though we're already running yum install several times in different places so it's probably only marginally safer anyway | 21:43 |
| ianw | fungi pleia2 : so ... do you want me to fold it in or not? :) i'm confused | 21:44 |
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| pleia2 | since the lines are directly adjacent, I'd like to see it folded in | 21:45 |
| jhesketh | Morning | 21:46 |
| pleia2 | o/ jhesketh | 21:46 |
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| pabelanger | clarkb: when is the next timeslot? dealing with some sick family members ATM. | 21:47 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: I can do later tonight | 21:47 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: would tomorrow morning be better? | 21:47 |
| clarkb | that way you can do what you need to do | 21:47 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: Ya, lets aim for that | 21:47 |
| clarkb | kk | 21:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Preinstall redhat-rpm-config for Fedora https://review.openstack.org/252212 | 21:48 |
| ianw | pleia2: ^ done | 21:48 |
| pleia2 | thanks :) | 21:49 |
| jeblair | i just tried an interdiff on 2 patchsets and it _failed_ :( | 21:49 |
| jeblair | 2 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file /tmp/interdiff-1.O3wO7a.rej | 21:49 |
| fungi | ianw: i meant to imply that i don't care either way | 21:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Armando Migliaccio proposed openstack-infra/jeepyb: Add docimpact tag for bugs that target project queues https://review.openstack.org/253229 | 21:50 |
| fungi | but am happy if that makes pleia2 happy | 21:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Add $YUM to pickup dnf on Fedora>=22 https://review.openstack.org/252221 | 21:50 |
| ianw | if it's speed, dnf is quite a bit faster : ^ | 21:51 |
| jeblair | ianw: as an only occasional rpm user, where can i tl;dr on dnf? | 21:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Bryan Jones proposed openstack/requirements: Bump python-openstackclient version to 2.0.0 https://review.openstack.org/253231 | 21:52 |
| jeblair | youtube is not helping me with dnf | 21:52 |
| jeblair | oh, or is it than videa game that's almost finished? | 21:52 |
| lifeless | jeblair: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DNF#Current_status | 21:52 |
| fungi | jeblair: dnf is the common abbreviation for "did not finish" (in the foot race scene anyway) | 21:53 |
| jeblair | lifeless: oh there's libsolv again | 21:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-infra/project-config: remove gate-devstack-dsvm-cells https://review.openstack.org/248270 | 21:53 |
| fungi | dnf is when you have to drop out of a race partway through | 21:54 |
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| fungi | as opposed to limping across the finish line hours with your broken ankle or whatever hours after the race cutoff time | 21:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Move Bandersnatch Directory https://review.openstack.org/253236 | 22:05 |
| krotscheck | Regarding ^^, does anyone have any good ideas on how an existing (large) directory on a server can be moved with minimal fuss? I feel like ansible would do this really easily, but puppet. | 22:05 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: i would ask infra root to do it :) | 22:06 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: What a coincidence, I put that in the commit message :D | 22:06 |
| amuller | dhellmann: You're doing a great job and all, but come milestone time you really spam my email =p | 22:06 |
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| pleia2 | amuller: filters++ | 22:07 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: That's a lot of timing that has to happen though, because the puppet agent has to be disabled so it doesn't create the directory while it's being moved (or before it has been moved) | 22:07 |
| krotscheck | And there's lots of mirrors. | 22:07 |
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| amuller | pleia2: yeah I should work on those, have it so new bugs appear in my inbox but everything else in a folder | 22:07 |
| krotscheck | And if bandersnatch suddenly starts running against an empty directory, things might break. | 22:08 |
| amuller | pleia2: maybe call that directory Doug | 22:08 |
| pleia2 | amuller: lol | 22:08 |
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| pleia2 | launchpad has a lot of useful custom headers if your mail client can easily filter on them | 22:09 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: yep. i'm with you. if anyone else has better suggestions that would be lovely. but if not, i agree with your evaluation of the merits of ansible/puppet in this case and think that this merits just using the shell. | 22:10 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Unless we're tolerante of a full mirror rebuild. | 22:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Vahid Hashemian proposed openstack/requirements: Update tosca-parser minimum version to 0.3.0 https://review.openstack.org/253237 | 22:11 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: the last 2 i did, pypi was broken and that was not possible. | 22:11 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: and it would take long enough we would probably need to make sure the existing one kept running. | 22:12 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: Well, if we roll it together with the mirror.openstack.org rename, we could just build the new mirrors, wait for them to sync, and then just do the setup-mirrors script change. | 22:12 |
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| krotscheck | Build new host, switch over to using new host, delete old host. | 22:13 |
| krotscheck | Less DNS monkeying and potential downtime there. | 22:13 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: well, again, that requires bandersnatch to be able to start from nothing | 22:13 |
| krotscheck | True | 22:13 |
| krotscheck | I'm surprised it can't. | 22:13 |
| jeblair | we could still do that and change "wait for them to sync" to "rsync them", which is how i've been building them | 22:14 |
| krotscheck | Is it somethign we can fix in bandersnatch? | 22:14 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: still, i'm much more keen on keeping the hosts | 22:14 |
| fungi | yeah, rsync is waaaaay faster than bootstrapping bandersnatch from scratch | 22:14 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: no it's something dstufft has to fix on pypi | 22:14 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: there's a missing package | 22:15 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: got it. | 22:15 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: you could get ansible behavior out of puppet with an exec of a bash script you write to perform the move | 22:16 |
| jeblair | (and make that exec dependent on the outcome of the bash script) | 22:16 |
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| clarkb | heads up I will be deleting old centos6 git.o.o in the next few minutes | 22:20 |
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| clarkb | I will also shorten the ttl on pbx.openstack.org's A/AAAA records to 5 minutes (from an hour) in prep for tomorrows rebuild | 22:21 |
| fungi | thanks clarkb! | 22:22 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: Actually, that's not a bad idea. | 22:24 |
| krotscheck | me goes and sees if he can do that thing. | 22:24 |
| jeblair | cool | 22:25 |
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| clarkb | so old git.o.o is boot form volume | 22:25 |
| clarkb | does that mean I need to manually delete the volume too? | 22:25 |
| jeblair | clarkb: if i did it right, i set the flag for it to be auto-deleted | 22:26 |
| clarkb | (cinder list doesn't work against rax because no volume2 endpoint) | 22:26 |
| clarkb | jeblair: awesome | 22:26 |
| jeblair | clarkb: what? | 22:26 |
| jeblair | clarkb: we use cinder list on rax all the time | 22:26 |
| clarkb | jeblair: it just failed on me | 22:26 |
| jeblair | clarkb: you probably have to use the cinder-env? | 22:26 |
| clarkb | ERROR: publicURL endpoint for volumev2 service in DFW region not found | 22:26 |
| clarkb | oh | 22:26 |
| clarkb | maybe | 22:26 |
| jeblair | clarkb: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/sysadmin.html#adding-a-new-device | 22:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Mathieu Gagné proposed openstack-infra/gerritbot: Pin several dependencies https://review.openstack.org/253238 | 22:27 |
| jeblair | clarkb: try those -- and i think you should check up on it | 22:27 |
| jeblair | clarkb: because i may have not set the flag correctly | 22:27 |
| clarkb | jeblair: will do thanks | 22:27 |
| clarkb | jeblair: it deleted the volume too | 22:30 |
| jeblair | w00t | 22:30 |
| clarkb | and it calls the vlume system disk for $UUID | 22:30 |
| clarkb | so easy to spot them in cinder list | 22:30 |
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| clarkb | and pbx dns records are updated now too | 22:33 |
| clarkb | now to review pabelangers change | 22:33 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: whenever you get a minute, the asterisk.conf is going away because trusty package install makes one that is suitable? | 22:34 |
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| krotscheck | Huhn. Our mirros are still running precise | 22:39 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: well, some of them. perhaps we need to rebuild those? | 22:40 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: THis is turning into a way bigger deal than I expected. | 22:40 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: I'm starting to think that building new mirrors with rsync is actually the way to go. | 22:41 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: ok, some are brand new though | 22:41 |
| jeblair | and running trusty | 22:41 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Alright- I'll update the spec with that information, it's important to capture that difference and/or work | 22:42 |
| clarkb | will the mirrors have to run anything that cares about precise vs trusty? (though we should upgrade anyways) | 22:43 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: good point -- generally no, but maybe some of the new mirror types will? krotscheck ^ ? | 22:44 |
| jeblair | i generally thing the upgrade is worthwhile on principle, but also if it's easier not to make it part of this work, ++ | 22:44 |
| krotscheck | clarkb: I don't think so. The point at which we really start to care is once nodejs 4 LTS lands in ubuntu, which is post-debian-sid | 22:44 |
| * krotscheck is just really uncomfortable leaving servers untidy | 22:45 | |
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| krotscheck | So the open question right now is: Does it make more sense to move the directory on the pypi mirrors, or create new named mirrors that are eventually swapped over. | 22:46 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: heh, this is balancing "they are not all exactly the same" against "many of them have been working for a long time without incident" :) | 22:46 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Well, you could always do a manual do-release-upgrade :) | 22:47 |
| krotscheck | (What could possibly go wrong!) | 22:47 |
| mordred | zomg | 22:48 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: i expect it to work, but with considerable downtime :) | 22:48 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: Can we image a mirror, boot a new host off of that image, upgrade it, then give it a new hostname? | 22:49 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: oh, many of these are cinder volumes, so we can move those. downtime though. | 22:49 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Righto | 22:49 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: maybe we can clone the cinder volume though? | 22:49 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I think you can | 22:50 |
| jeblair | apparently that is a thing we might be able to do | 22:50 |
| clarkb | I am not sure what that does to writes on the volume during cloning through (probably a backend specific behavior) | 22:50 |
| jeblair | so we might be able to do that (will probably require an fsck if we don't quiesce the fs first) | 22:51 |
| jeblair | honestly, if we do it between bandersnach runs, it should be fine | 22:51 |
| jeblair | and sprinkle some sync calls over it | 22:51 |
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| clarkb | we need a "swift has been open source for years" openstack marketing campaign thing (maybe make tshirts :) ) | 22:52 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yeah, but ours requires a CLA | 22:52 |
| jeblair | * (from most contributors) | 22:53 |
| krotscheck | Ok, I'm going to propose we build new mirror hosts, because cleanup, upgrading things, and no real downtime. | 22:53 |
| krotscheck | And then we ditch the old ones. | 22:53 |
| jeblair | wfm | 22:53 |
| jeblair | also, this is slower but if we want to avoid downtime impact, we can just quiesce one region at a time in nodepool | 22:54 |
| clarkb | jeblair: looks like apple swift is using honor system for contirbutions | 22:55 |
| clarkb | which probably works great in practice | 22:55 |
| jeblair | inbound=outbound | 22:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config: Preinstall redhat-rpm-config for Fedora https://review.openstack.org/252212 | 22:57 |
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| pabelanger | clarkb: Yup. Trusty sets up everything as we need it. We had to do some tweaking for centos because of some bugs | 23:07 |
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| dstufft | jeblair: that should be fixed already | 23:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/infra-specs: Unified Mirrors https://review.openstack.org/252678 | 23:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Khai Do proposed openstack-infra/puppet-gerrit: Ensure all groups are visible to all registered users. https://review.openstack.org/253260 | 23:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-dev/cookiecutter: Discover is not needed anywhere anymore. https://review.openstack.org/253261 | 23:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Sahdev Zala proposed openstack/requirements: Update required tosca-parser version https://review.openstack.org/253262 | 23:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/ciwatch: Consolidating database calls in db.py https://review.openstack.org/246723 | 23:37 |
| fungi | jeblair: clarkb: mordred: i cc'd you just now when replying to the linaro contacts. i kinda rushed through the key points and might not have been as accurate as needed so please correct whatever needs correcting | 23:39 |
| mordred | fungi: neat! | 23:40 |
| fungi | i mostly just didn't want it to sit for a day before replying to an offer for help, in whatever form | 23:41 |
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| clarkb | fungi: that seems to cover the bases well | 23:46 |
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| clarkb | fungi: the only thing that wasn't covered by your email, is that with arm it may be feasible (and possibly preferable) to use a fully baremetal cloud | 23:47 |
| clarkb | but that I guess is implementation detail | 23:47 |
| fungi | indeed, it's feasible with x86 as well | 23:48 |
| fungi | i hopefully referred to instances rather than virtual machines | 23:48 |
| mordred | fungi: s/probably neutron/definitely neutron/ | 23:50 |
| fungi | mordred: thanks, i wasn't sure where we were with that | 23:51 |
| clarkb | I don't think anything we do depends on neutron yet or ever right? | 23:51 |
| clarkb | since nova prxies | 23:51 |
| fungi | i know we don't use it in rackspace, but didn't know if we want to make sure we can elsewhere | 23:51 |
| mordred | I have rackspace special cased in shade | 23:51 |
| fungi | noted | 23:51 |
| mordred | if they run neutron and don't let us get to the APIs, I'm not special casing them | 23:52 |
| clarkb | mordred: how does ovh work? | 23:52 |
| mordred | and if they're installing a new cloud today, they should absolutely under no circumstances not install neutron | 23:52 |
| fungi | oh, got it. so problem is neutron based with no access to neutron api? | 23:52 |
| mordred | clarkb: ovh exposes neutron | 23:52 |
| clarkb | aiui ovh and rax are both neutron without api access | 23:52 |
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| mordred | clarkb: nope. I have api access to ovh neutron | 23:52 |
| clarkb | mordred: it does? I thought they just do like rax and give you an ip | 23:52 |
| mordred | clarkb: I can't create routers - but I don't care about that | 23:52 |
| mordred | a cloud with neutron that disables the neutron API is broken and we should not suggest to someone that they can do that | 23:53 |
| fungi | rackspace gives you neutron access too, right? i thought we just didn't use it but they have some mechanism by which you can set up and connect instances to additional networks and i (incorrectly?) assumed it was via neutron | 23:53 |
| mordred | fungi: no, rackspace puts neutron into the keystone catalog and then blocks all api calls with policy.json | 23:53 |
| fungi | oh, ouch | 23:53 |
| mordred | it's easily the most broken of teh broken things they do | 23:53 |
| fungi | this is like putting glance v1 in the catalog and then returning 0 quota on upload requests? | 23:54 |
| mordred | yes | 23:54 |
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| mordred | :) | 23:54 |
| * fungi sees a pattern | 23:55 | |
| mordred | actually, honestly, I'd rather 0 quota | 23:55 |
| mordred | to blocking APIs with policy | 23:55 |
| fungi | yeah, i agree | 23:55 |
| mordred | a quota of 0 is a valid thing by the API pattern and whatnot | 23:55 |
| mordred | one of the api calls just not being there is DAFT | 23:55 |
| fungi | it's at least a valid, if somewhat unusable, response to a request | 23:55 |
| mordred | _all_ of the API calls being there is *bizarre* | 23:55 |
| mordred | ya | 23:55 |
| mordred | fungi: but yes - your list looks good | 23:56 |
| clarkb | mordred: oh you mean the issue is if neutron is in catalog but not useable | 23:56 |
| clarkb | because everything should just work via nova without a neutron in the catalog | 23:56 |
| clarkb | even if there is a neutron behind it | 23:56 |
| clarkb | (or a nova-net) | 23:56 |
| mordred | yes. that is true | 23:57 |
| mordred | but as good openstack citizens | 23:57 |
| mordred | we should not suggest this to them | 23:57 |
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| mordred | _nobody_ _anywhere_ should be doing new nova-net installs | 23:57 |
| mordred | because it is going away | 23:57 |
| clarkb | sure | 23:58 |
| clarkb | but | 23:58 |
| mordred | if you have installed neutron, there is _zero_ point in not exposing the APIs | 23:58 |
| clarkb | not exposing neutron is perfectly valid | 23:58 |
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| clarkb | particularly since I as a user don't need any neutron functionality | 23:58 |
| mordred | I disagree | 23:58 |
| clarkb | just give me an IP addr and let me go | 23:58 |
| mordred | yah. if they do direct attached IPs and not floating ips | 23:58 |
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| clarkb | security groups, floating ips, ip listing all work via nova | 23:58 |
| mordred | they do - but they are wonky and weird | 23:59 |
| mordred | floating ips work less good with nova vs. neutron | 23:59 |
| mordred | because you have create/attach step rather than a create-on-server call | 23:59 |
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| mordred | so yes, you CAN avoid neutron, but if you're running it, there is zero point to | 23:59 |
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