Sunday, 2016-07-24

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fungilooks like that fixed it. zuul's config was finally updated a little over an hour ago00:22
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amrithfungi, do you twitter?01:00
amrithfungi, thanks for the suggestion to go take a hike; got some good pictures and wanted to send them your way. I tweeted them at monty and asked him to tag you if you were on twitter.01:06
amrithmordred ^^ if you have fungi's twitter would you please tag him01:06
amriththx01:06
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fungiamrith: nah, i don't have a twitter account. i've seen twitter before01:16
fungibut glad you got some great hiking in!01:16
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EmilienMfungi: thanks, it works fine now !04:41
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openstackgerritVitaly Gridnev proposed openstack-infra/project-config: [sahara-dashboard] add py27dj110 testenv  https://review.openstack.org/34645711:13
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amrithfungi, will email them over11:16
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fungiamrith: no need, mordred sent me a link13:22
fungivery nice!13:22
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openstackgerritMichael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Added version parameter to nodejs jobs  https://review.openstack.org/34549013:38
openstackgerritMichael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Added documentation draft jobs for nodejs-based projects  https://review.openstack.org/34613013:38
openstackgerritMichael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Added documentation publish jobs for the JavaScript SDK  https://review.openstack.org/34613113:38
openstackgerritMichael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Created jobs for nodejs version 6  https://review.openstack.org/34450113:38
krotscheck...that moment when you realize that the reason your job patch doesn't pass is because your jobs don't have 'gate' in the prefix....13:39
* krotscheck wonders why we have the gate prefix anyway...13:39
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openstackgerritThomas Goirand proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add automatic backports  https://review.openstack.org/34609514:27
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openstackgerritThomas Goirand proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add automatic backports  https://review.openstack.org/34609514:30
openstackgerritMichael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Added documentation draft jobs for nodejs-based projects  https://review.openstack.org/34613014:31
openstackgerritMichael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Added documentation publish jobs for the JavaScript SDK  https://review.openstack.org/34613114:31
krotscheckOne more try! Wooo!14:31
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config: Add doc publishing and requirements check to wsmanclient  https://review.openstack.org/34540414:33
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fungikrotscheck: i'd love to get rid of the gate prefix on jobs. at one point we sometimes used different (slower) nodes for check jobs vs gate jobs and so distinguished them from one another. now about the only time that prefix makes sense is to differentiate e.g. gate-nova-docs (which runs in check/gate pipelines and publishes to docs-draft.o.o) from nova-docs (which runs in post and release pipelines14:38
fungiand publishes to docs.o.o)14:38
krotscheckfungi: Somehow, I feel like prefixing 'gate' is maybe a bad way to distinguish those two jobs ;)14:39
krotscheckfungi: Well, I'll go ahead and clean up the JS jobs since I'm in there right now.14:39
fungikrotscheck: yep, those templates could all stand to be renamed14:39
krotscheckAs soon as these silly docs jobs pass.14:39
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mordredkrotscheck, fungi: ++14:47
krotscheckOMG it's a mordred.14:48
krotscheckmordred: What timezone are you in right now?14:48
mordredI think at this point waiting for the "Great Rename" which will happen as a result of zuul v3 might not be too terrible - but also mass renames are no longer scary, so if someone wanted to write the patch it probably wouldn't be _super_ insane14:48
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mordredkrotscheck: Central! I'm smoking a pork shoulder14:48
krotscheckmordred: NICE! I did that the week before europe :)14:48
* krotscheck invites himself over to mordred's place.14:49
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mordredkrotscheck: (it feels like I'm smoking two pork shoulders, because I cut the 17 pound pork shoulder in half and then put a different rub on each half - but it's really one big shoulder)14:49
mordredkrotscheck: come on over!14:49
mordredkrotscheck: you could actually probably make it before the pork is done :)14:49
krotscheckmordred:... ya knooow.... *runs to check airline prices.14:49
mordredkrotscheck: https://twitter.com/e_monty/status/75722246360011161814:49
krotscheckmordred: Irony is kayak giving me a flight that takes off in 4 minutes.14:51
mordredkrotscheck: haha. yah - making that flight would be harder14:51
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krotscheckmordred: If we hadn't just come back from two weeks of foisting the munchkin on the european grandparents, I'd actually be able to afford it.14:54
krotscheckmordred: On an somewhat related question, I've got a 22 pound rib roast from our last pig, and a green egg that's not quite big enough for it. Any suggestions?14:55
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nmagneziis there a known problem with the gates?15:02
nmagnezihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/345263/15:02
nmagneziall tests pass but Jenkins vote -115:02
nmagnezii think it's related to gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron ; gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr which show POST_FAILURE15:03
mordredkrotscheck: hrm. that's a good question15:03
mordredkrotscheck: I suppose "build a larger smoker from scratch" is likely not the right answer15:04
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mordredkrotscheck: probably just have to butcher it down a little15:04
fungimordred: pork? are you attempting to introduce a little bit of north carolina into texas?15:04
krotscheckmordred: Well, actually, I have a ton of scrap plywood left over that I can use, plus a woodshop.15:04
mordredfungi: heck yes15:05
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mordredfungi: there will be many texans and a few new orleanians15:05
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mordredkrotscheck: apparently (ben says, I have not yet read the chapter) there is a chapter in Aaron Franklin's book where he explains how to build a really good smoker15:06
fungikrotscheck: whack it in half, smoke on two different occasions?15:06
mordredkrotscheck: he also says "none of you are actually going do this, so here's also how to modify a smoker you buy to suck less"15:06
krotscheckfungi: Difficult, it's frozen, and I don't have a meat saw.15:06
mordredkrotscheck: axe?15:06
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fungikrotscheck: bandsaw works wonders too15:06
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mordrednothing says sunday morning like a guy hitting a large meat with an axe15:06
krotscheckfungi: woo, excuse to buy more powertools!15:07
mordredI'm sure the neighbors won't think anything is amiss15:07
krotscheckmordred: This book? https://www.amazon.com/Franklin-Barbecue-Meat-Smoking-Manifesto-Aaron/dp/160774720015:07
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mordredkrotscheck: yes, I believe so15:09
krotscheckmordred: Cool. Will be acquired.15:09
krotscheckMy next woodshop project is going to be a good grill table. Designing it with a smoker in mind will also help :)15:09
mordredkrotscheck: ++15:10
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fungimy current woodshop project is still building the rest of my woodshop15:12
* fungi sighs15:12
fungimetaproject15:13
krotscheckfungi: I think that's the case for every woodshop project.15:13
fungireally less of a woodshop and more of a general workshop/laboratory15:14
* krotscheck is going to make a movie: 'Woodshop: The search for more storage'15:14
* krotscheck patiently waits for his jobs to pass.15:14
mordredkrotscheck: I will watch that movie15:15
fungioh yeah, 75% of this is just finding convenient ways to maximize efficiency organizing/mounting/storing tools and diagnostic gear15:15
krotscheckmordred: I wouldn't. It's mostly someone digging through pinterest.15:15
fungii am a fan of the steel pegboard panels, but only if you buy good pegboard hooks (not the junk they sell at most hardware stores)15:16
krotscheckfungi: Steel? Hrm... yeah, more of a wood person myself, but i can appreciate the aesthetic.15:17
* mordred got excellent steel pegboard panels for his ny kitchen15:17
fungino framing needed for the steel panels. just screw them right to studs and done15:17
mordredthey came from some industrial supply place15:18
krotscheckfungi: After I finish my cabinets, I'll likely do something like this: https://s3.amazonaws.com/meredithmakers/products/images/zoom/GR-01029.jpg15:18
fungialso the holes in the steel pegboards don't get worn out and loose if you keep moving hooks around15:18
krotscheckBut framing is the FUN part!15:18
mordredkrotscheck, fungi: http://diamondlifegear.com/pegboard.htm15:20
fungii don't actually spend a lot of time on woodworking projects, though building an 8' l-shaped workbench with integrated shelving our of scrap 3/4" plywood and other lumber the previous owner left behind was pretty fun. did an s-curve front with 1" radius rounds15:21
mordredthey were very pleasing. however, I have not yet found a good use for them in this house - the kitchen isn't shaped right to put them up15:21
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fungier, 1' radius, not 1" radius ;)15:22
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krotscheckfungi: Nice!15:23
fungibasically it's a 4x8 plywood sheet with a ~2x5 chunk removed to make the L15:24
krotscheckfungi: Very cool.15:24
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fungiand then used a 1x4" diagonal brace with one 2x4" center leg, so it's mostly free-floating but well supported. the two sides against the wall rest on 1x4" tack strip with a 2x2" strip on top leaving a perfectly sized gap for the worktop to slip in between them15:26
fungithat way i can pull the top out if i need to do anything with it later15:27
fungiand 2x8' shelving underneath, plus a couple of drawer units on the wide end15:28
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fungiand 1' deep shelving overhead, above the pegboard near the ceiling15:28
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fungi3' high by 8' long steel pegboard on the wall over the long edge, and some additional shelving and component drawers over the wide end plus small vesa mounts for the monitors i hook diagnostic lines to15:30
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krotscheckfungi: You mostly do electronics work then?15:31
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fungiall sorts of things. but also lots of electronics so the soldering iron, circuit board vises, et cetera tend to need some work space to stay out most of the time15:31
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fungioh, also i mounted a 6' linear 24-outlet  20 amp power strip/surge suppressor on the wall along the back of the workbenh15:33
krotscheckfungi: I had the advantage that my wall was unfinished, so I added my own wiring for my outlets before insulating and closing it.15:34
fungiand for more sensitive equipment i have separate cable snaked to a line conditioner and a ups15:34
krotscheckNow I've got a 20' long 3/4" plywood wall that I can just drill into to mount things.15:34
fungiyeah, i had to do a little fiddling to isolate the outlet i'm using onto its own 20a circuit, but luckily this room is where the breaker panel is15:34
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fungii considered putting plywood up over the drywall, but ended up with studs where i needed them so decided not to bother15:37
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config: Added version parameter to nodejs jobs  https://review.openstack.org/34549016:06
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clarkbmordred: thats a big pork shoulder. I aim for half the size of your halves16:26
jpmaxmanfungi: quick wiki update16:31
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jpmaxmanit is a bit of a snow ball as each upgrade requires something else to be done16:31
jpmaxmanI've got the wiki mostly running on 1.26 latest code16:31
jpmaxmanhttps://wiki-upgrade-test.openstack.org/wiki/Special:Version16:31
jpmaxmanI had to disable the Universal Language Selector as it was causing a conflict16:32
jpmaxmanI still don't see the NoCaptcha working correctly though :(16:32
jpmaxmangoing to keep plugging away16:32
jpmaxmanat this point, I feel like we mise well just get everything up to date on the latest versions across the board16:33
jpmaxmanthough there are a lot of extensions ;)16:33
jpmaxmanI don't suppose there is any accounting for what extensions are actually used and what could be done away with?16:33
jpmaxmananyway, getting on a plane this afternoon, so will pause for a bit before picking it back up16:33
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openstackgerritZhijiang Hu proposed openstack-infra/irc-meetings: Add Meeting Information for New Project daisycloud-core  https://review.openstack.org/34653416:48
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mordredclarkb: it's an entire shoulder ... my meat supplier here is a restaurant supply guy, not a retail guy - so my choices of size were "17 pounds" ... solution - invite over a lot of people16:56
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nmagnezithis patch needs a second +2 vote https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344813/ , can anyone please have a look?16:59
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fungijpmaxman: thanks for the update. as to what extensions are in use, not really no. this entire deployment was questionably (un)managed so part of the upgrade will probably entail disabling most extensions we're unsure about and seeing who complains17:29
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openstackgerritJeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Add a script to clean up Mediawiki spam  https://review.openstack.org/34653617:37
AJaegerfungi, reading your comment about removing "gate" - how should we differentiate between post jobs and test jobs? Like currently gate-nova-docs (in check/gate) and nova-docs (post jobs)?17:37
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fungialso, two more new accounts spamming, deleted just now. that's ^ the script i've been using17:37
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fungiAJaeger: they should still have different (and clearer) names, i just don't feel like bikeshedding on what those names should be17:38
clarkbcoukd use the difference between post and gate17:38
clarkbone piblishes17:38
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clarkbso publish-nova-docs and nova-docs17:38
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config: Adds gate-neutron-lbaasv2-dsvm-scenario-namespace-nv  https://review.openstack.org/34481317:39
AJaegerclarkb: good idea. Like fungi, I'm against bikeshedding, so happy to take a good proposal.17:39
fungipublish-nova-docs and test-nova-docs?17:39
fungimeh17:39
clarkbya that17:39
* fungi returns to his no-bikeshed zone17:39
* AJaeger takes a note to think about some consistent naming and throw something out...17:40
AJaegerIf we go for consistency, we can throw out the -nv as well...17:40
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openstackgerritTony Breeds proposed openstack-infra/irc-meetings: Add new diskimage-builder team meeting  https://review.openstack.org/34387119:19
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prometheanfirehttps://review.openstack.org/34654119:21
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prometheanfirethis someting others have noticed?19:21
prometheanfiresetuptools issues19:21
prometheanfirewith 25.0.0 and19:22
prometheanfireSETUPTOOLS_SYS_PATH_TECHNIQUE=rewrite19:22
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clarkbprometheanfire: fwiw you can't actually prevent that due to chicken and egg issues19:24
clarkbwhatever is breaking will need to be corrected to deal with it19:25
clarkblooks like devstack will need to be fixed19:25
prometheanfireand others19:25
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prometheanfireI think the projects may need to add it to their tox.ini19:26
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clarkbyou can't really19:26
clarkbtox bundles setuptools19:26
clarkband by the time tox runs its too late because its loaded setuptools and if you downgrade it doesn't change anything19:27
clarkb(well erally virtualenv bundles setuptools but tox deps on virtualenv)19:27
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prometheanfireya, was confused by that :P19:28
clarkbeither setuptools will need to be fixed or pbr or everything else to deal with the new behavior. But you can't reliably pin setuptools anywhere19:28
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prometheanfiremakes sense19:29
prometheanfiredamn, we even bundle it on gentoo :(19:30
prometheanfire/var/tmp/portage/dev-python/virtualenv-15.0.1/image/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/virtualenv_support/setuptools-20.3-py2.py3-none-any.whl19:30
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prometheanfirethis summarise it?  setuptools is not something we can reliably pin because setuptools needs to run to interpret the constraints19:33
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prometheanfirewell, commented19:36
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odyssey4meprometheanfire clarkb I believe the way to combat that in virtualenvs is simply to remove virtualenv_support from it19:38
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odyssey4mewe do this as part of our virtualenv build process: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-repo_build/blob/master/tasks/repo_venv_build.yml#L44-L5419:39
prometheanfireodyssey4me: I'm not sure what you mean19:39
odyssey4methat allows you to install whatever versions of pip, setuptools, wheel, etc into the virtualenv you want - rather than inheriting19:40
prometheanfireah, I see it in the path I pasted19:40
clarkbodyssey4me: we can do that already if we jave a distinct step to do it. that step is the problem19:41
prometheanfirethat's one hackish way of doing it19:41
clarkbbecause you cant actually control it everywhere19:41
clarkblike eg on gentoo19:41
prometheanfireclarkb: we don't control it, we install virualenv_support :P19:41
prometheanfirewhich I am now talking to the python team to 'fix'19:42
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/irc-meetings: Update the search team meeting chairs  https://review.openstack.org/34603319:48
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/irc-meetings: Add new diskimage-builder team meeting  https://review.openstack.org/34387119:52
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odyssey4meclarkb prometheanfire not sure if this makes a difference at all? http://blog.aclark.net/2014/03/19/virtualenv-support-update/20:22
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odyssey4meclarkb prometheanfire heh, or just create the virtualenvs using the --no-setuptools, --no-pip, --no-wheel options20:27
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clarkbyou would have to update tox and everything else20:39
clarkbthsts the trouble its everyehere20:39
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openstackgerritSirushti Murugesan proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add experimental tempest-dsvm xenial py3 job to devstack  https://review.openstack.org/33977820:54
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prometheanfireclarkb: this isn't going to be simple :P21:02
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config: Add DB backends to neutron-lib periodic jobs  https://review.openstack.org/34627122:41
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config: Use python-db-jobs for networking-bgpvpn & l2gw  https://review.openstack.org/34608322:47
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jheskethMorning23:10
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openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Implement basic undercloud sanity checks  https://review.openstack.org/34655123:21
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Implement a new job for undercloud testing only  https://review.openstack.org/34614723:23
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Implement basic undercloud sanity checks  https://review.openstack.org/34655123:23
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craigeoh, can I bend your ear on a minor puppet issue jhesketh?23:32
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craigeChange 342481 is failing with an issue regarding the MySQL password, so I suspect that I have not implemented it correctly and would love either a pointer to doco or a solid working eaxmple, if that's OK.23:35
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openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Implement a new job for undercloud testing only  https://review.openstack.org/34614723:40
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