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fungi | looks like that fixed it. zuul's config was finally updated a little over an hour ago | 00:22 |
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amrith | fungi, do you twitter? | 01:00 |
amrith | fungi, thanks for the suggestion to go take a hike; got some good pictures and wanted to send them your way. I tweeted them at monty and asked him to tag you if you were on twitter. | 01:06 |
amrith | mordred ^^ if you have fungi's twitter would you please tag him | 01:06 |
amrith | thx | 01:06 |
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fungi | amrith: nah, i don't have a twitter account. i've seen twitter before | 01:16 |
fungi | but glad you got some great hiking in! | 01:16 |
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EmilienM | fungi: thanks, it works fine now ! | 04:41 |
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openstackgerrit | Vitaly Gridnev proposed openstack-infra/project-config: [sahara-dashboard] add py27dj110 testenv https://review.openstack.org/346457 | 11:13 |
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amrith | fungi, will email them over | 11:16 |
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fungi | amrith: no need, mordred sent me a link | 13:22 |
fungi | very nice! | 13:22 |
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openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Added version parameter to nodejs jobs https://review.openstack.org/345490 | 13:38 |
openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Added documentation draft jobs for nodejs-based projects https://review.openstack.org/346130 | 13:38 |
openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Added documentation publish jobs for the JavaScript SDK https://review.openstack.org/346131 | 13:38 |
openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Created jobs for nodejs version 6 https://review.openstack.org/344501 | 13:38 |
krotscheck | ...that moment when you realize that the reason your job patch doesn't pass is because your jobs don't have 'gate' in the prefix.... | 13:39 |
* krotscheck wonders why we have the gate prefix anyway... | 13:39 | |
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openstackgerrit | Thomas Goirand proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add automatic backports https://review.openstack.org/346095 | 14:27 |
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openstackgerrit | Thomas Goirand proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add automatic backports https://review.openstack.org/346095 | 14:30 |
openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Added documentation draft jobs for nodejs-based projects https://review.openstack.org/346130 | 14:31 |
openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Added documentation publish jobs for the JavaScript SDK https://review.openstack.org/346131 | 14:31 |
krotscheck | One more try! Wooo! | 14:31 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Add doc publishing and requirements check to wsmanclient https://review.openstack.org/345404 | 14:33 |
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fungi | krotscheck: i'd love to get rid of the gate prefix on jobs. at one point we sometimes used different (slower) nodes for check jobs vs gate jobs and so distinguished them from one another. now about the only time that prefix makes sense is to differentiate e.g. gate-nova-docs (which runs in check/gate pipelines and publishes to docs-draft.o.o) from nova-docs (which runs in post and release pipelines | 14:38 |
fungi | and publishes to docs.o.o) | 14:38 |
krotscheck | fungi: Somehow, I feel like prefixing 'gate' is maybe a bad way to distinguish those two jobs ;) | 14:39 |
krotscheck | fungi: Well, I'll go ahead and clean up the JS jobs since I'm in there right now. | 14:39 |
fungi | krotscheck: yep, those templates could all stand to be renamed | 14:39 |
krotscheck | As soon as these silly docs jobs pass. | 14:39 |
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mordred | krotscheck, fungi: ++ | 14:47 |
krotscheck | OMG it's a mordred. | 14:48 |
krotscheck | mordred: What timezone are you in right now? | 14:48 |
mordred | I think at this point waiting for the "Great Rename" which will happen as a result of zuul v3 might not be too terrible - but also mass renames are no longer scary, so if someone wanted to write the patch it probably wouldn't be _super_ insane | 14:48 |
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mordred | krotscheck: Central! I'm smoking a pork shoulder | 14:48 |
krotscheck | mordred: NICE! I did that the week before europe :) | 14:48 |
* krotscheck invites himself over to mordred's place. | 14:49 | |
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mordred | krotscheck: (it feels like I'm smoking two pork shoulders, because I cut the 17 pound pork shoulder in half and then put a different rub on each half - but it's really one big shoulder) | 14:49 |
mordred | krotscheck: come on over! | 14:49 |
mordred | krotscheck: you could actually probably make it before the pork is done :) | 14:49 |
krotscheck | mordred:... ya knooow.... *runs to check airline prices. | 14:49 |
mordred | krotscheck: https://twitter.com/e_monty/status/757222463600111618 | 14:49 |
krotscheck | mordred: Irony is kayak giving me a flight that takes off in 4 minutes. | 14:51 |
mordred | krotscheck: haha. yah - making that flight would be harder | 14:51 |
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krotscheck | mordred: If we hadn't just come back from two weeks of foisting the munchkin on the european grandparents, I'd actually be able to afford it. | 14:54 |
krotscheck | mordred: On an somewhat related question, I've got a 22 pound rib roast from our last pig, and a green egg that's not quite big enough for it. Any suggestions? | 14:55 |
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nmagnezi | is there a known problem with the gates? | 15:02 |
nmagnezi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345263/ | 15:02 |
nmagnezi | all tests pass but Jenkins vote -1 | 15:02 |
nmagnezi | i think it's related to gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron ; gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr which show POST_FAILURE | 15:03 |
mordred | krotscheck: hrm. that's a good question | 15:03 |
mordred | krotscheck: I suppose "build a larger smoker from scratch" is likely not the right answer | 15:04 |
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mordred | krotscheck: probably just have to butcher it down a little | 15:04 |
fungi | mordred: pork? are you attempting to introduce a little bit of north carolina into texas? | 15:04 |
krotscheck | mordred: Well, actually, I have a ton of scrap plywood left over that I can use, plus a woodshop. | 15:04 |
mordred | fungi: heck yes | 15:05 |
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mordred | fungi: there will be many texans and a few new orleanians | 15:05 |
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mordred | krotscheck: apparently (ben says, I have not yet read the chapter) there is a chapter in Aaron Franklin's book where he explains how to build a really good smoker | 15:06 |
fungi | krotscheck: whack it in half, smoke on two different occasions? | 15:06 |
mordred | krotscheck: he also says "none of you are actually going do this, so here's also how to modify a smoker you buy to suck less" | 15:06 |
krotscheck | fungi: Difficult, it's frozen, and I don't have a meat saw. | 15:06 |
mordred | krotscheck: axe? | 15:06 |
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fungi | krotscheck: bandsaw works wonders too | 15:06 |
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mordred | nothing says sunday morning like a guy hitting a large meat with an axe | 15:06 |
krotscheck | fungi: woo, excuse to buy more powertools! | 15:07 |
mordred | I'm sure the neighbors won't think anything is amiss | 15:07 |
krotscheck | mordred: This book? https://www.amazon.com/Franklin-Barbecue-Meat-Smoking-Manifesto-Aaron/dp/1607747200 | 15:07 |
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mordred | krotscheck: yes, I believe so | 15:09 |
krotscheck | mordred: Cool. Will be acquired. | 15:09 |
krotscheck | My next woodshop project is going to be a good grill table. Designing it with a smoker in mind will also help :) | 15:09 |
mordred | krotscheck: ++ | 15:10 |
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fungi | my current woodshop project is still building the rest of my woodshop | 15:12 |
* fungi sighs | 15:12 | |
fungi | metaproject | 15:13 |
krotscheck | fungi: I think that's the case for every woodshop project. | 15:13 |
fungi | really less of a woodshop and more of a general workshop/laboratory | 15:14 |
* krotscheck is going to make a movie: 'Woodshop: The search for more storage' | 15:14 | |
* krotscheck patiently waits for his jobs to pass. | 15:14 | |
mordred | krotscheck: I will watch that movie | 15:15 |
fungi | oh yeah, 75% of this is just finding convenient ways to maximize efficiency organizing/mounting/storing tools and diagnostic gear | 15:15 |
krotscheck | mordred: I wouldn't. It's mostly someone digging through pinterest. | 15:15 |
fungi | i am a fan of the steel pegboard panels, but only if you buy good pegboard hooks (not the junk they sell at most hardware stores) | 15:16 |
krotscheck | fungi: Steel? Hrm... yeah, more of a wood person myself, but i can appreciate the aesthetic. | 15:17 |
* mordred got excellent steel pegboard panels for his ny kitchen | 15:17 | |
fungi | no framing needed for the steel panels. just screw them right to studs and done | 15:17 |
mordred | they came from some industrial supply place | 15:18 |
krotscheck | fungi: After I finish my cabinets, I'll likely do something like this: https://s3.amazonaws.com/meredithmakers/products/images/zoom/GR-01029.jpg | 15:18 |
fungi | also the holes in the steel pegboards don't get worn out and loose if you keep moving hooks around | 15:18 |
krotscheck | But framing is the FUN part! | 15:18 |
mordred | krotscheck, fungi: http://diamondlifegear.com/pegboard.htm | 15:20 |
fungi | i don't actually spend a lot of time on woodworking projects, though building an 8' l-shaped workbench with integrated shelving our of scrap 3/4" plywood and other lumber the previous owner left behind was pretty fun. did an s-curve front with 1" radius rounds | 15:21 |
mordred | they were very pleasing. however, I have not yet found a good use for them in this house - the kitchen isn't shaped right to put them up | 15:21 |
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fungi | er, 1' radius, not 1" radius ;) | 15:22 |
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krotscheck | fungi: Nice! | 15:23 |
fungi | basically it's a 4x8 plywood sheet with a ~2x5 chunk removed to make the L | 15:24 |
krotscheck | fungi: Very cool. | 15:24 |
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fungi | and then used a 1x4" diagonal brace with one 2x4" center leg, so it's mostly free-floating but well supported. the two sides against the wall rest on 1x4" tack strip with a 2x2" strip on top leaving a perfectly sized gap for the worktop to slip in between them | 15:26 |
fungi | that way i can pull the top out if i need to do anything with it later | 15:27 |
fungi | and 2x8' shelving underneath, plus a couple of drawer units on the wide end | 15:28 |
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fungi | and 1' deep shelving overhead, above the pegboard near the ceiling | 15:28 |
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fungi | 3' high by 8' long steel pegboard on the wall over the long edge, and some additional shelving and component drawers over the wide end plus small vesa mounts for the monitors i hook diagnostic lines to | 15:30 |
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krotscheck | fungi: You mostly do electronics work then? | 15:31 |
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fungi | all sorts of things. but also lots of electronics so the soldering iron, circuit board vises, et cetera tend to need some work space to stay out most of the time | 15:31 |
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fungi | oh, also i mounted a 6' linear 24-outlet 20 amp power strip/surge suppressor on the wall along the back of the workbenh | 15:33 |
krotscheck | fungi: I had the advantage that my wall was unfinished, so I added my own wiring for my outlets before insulating and closing it. | 15:34 |
fungi | and for more sensitive equipment i have separate cable snaked to a line conditioner and a ups | 15:34 |
krotscheck | Now I've got a 20' long 3/4" plywood wall that I can just drill into to mount things. | 15:34 |
fungi | yeah, i had to do a little fiddling to isolate the outlet i'm using onto its own 20a circuit, but luckily this room is where the breaker panel is | 15:34 |
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fungi | i considered putting plywood up over the drywall, but ended up with studs where i needed them so decided not to bother | 15:37 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Added version parameter to nodejs jobs https://review.openstack.org/345490 | 16:06 |
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clarkb | mordred: thats a big pork shoulder. I aim for half the size of your halves | 16:26 |
jpmaxman | fungi: quick wiki update | 16:31 |
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jpmaxman | it is a bit of a snow ball as each upgrade requires something else to be done | 16:31 |
jpmaxman | I've got the wiki mostly running on 1.26 latest code | 16:31 |
jpmaxman | https://wiki-upgrade-test.openstack.org/wiki/Special:Version | 16:31 |
jpmaxman | I had to disable the Universal Language Selector as it was causing a conflict | 16:32 |
jpmaxman | I still don't see the NoCaptcha working correctly though :( | 16:32 |
jpmaxman | going to keep plugging away | 16:32 |
jpmaxman | at this point, I feel like we mise well just get everything up to date on the latest versions across the board | 16:33 |
jpmaxman | though there are a lot of extensions ;) | 16:33 |
jpmaxman | I don't suppose there is any accounting for what extensions are actually used and what could be done away with? | 16:33 |
jpmaxman | anyway, getting on a plane this afternoon, so will pause for a bit before picking it back up | 16:33 |
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openstackgerrit | Zhijiang Hu proposed openstack-infra/irc-meetings: Add Meeting Information for New Project daisycloud-core https://review.openstack.org/346534 | 16:48 |
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mordred | clarkb: it's an entire shoulder ... my meat supplier here is a restaurant supply guy, not a retail guy - so my choices of size were "17 pounds" ... solution - invite over a lot of people | 16:56 |
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nmagnezi | this patch needs a second +2 vote https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344813/ , can anyone please have a look? | 16:59 |
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fungi | jpmaxman: thanks for the update. as to what extensions are in use, not really no. this entire deployment was questionably (un)managed so part of the upgrade will probably entail disabling most extensions we're unsure about and seeing who complains | 17:29 |
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openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Add a script to clean up Mediawiki spam https://review.openstack.org/346536 | 17:37 |
AJaeger | fungi, reading your comment about removing "gate" - how should we differentiate between post jobs and test jobs? Like currently gate-nova-docs (in check/gate) and nova-docs (post jobs)? | 17:37 |
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fungi | also, two more new accounts spamming, deleted just now. that's ^ the script i've been using | 17:37 |
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fungi | AJaeger: they should still have different (and clearer) names, i just don't feel like bikeshedding on what those names should be | 17:38 |
clarkb | coukd use the difference between post and gate | 17:38 |
clarkb | one piblishes | 17:38 |
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clarkb | so publish-nova-docs and nova-docs | 17:38 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Adds gate-neutron-lbaasv2-dsvm-scenario-namespace-nv https://review.openstack.org/344813 | 17:39 |
AJaeger | clarkb: good idea. Like fungi, I'm against bikeshedding, so happy to take a good proposal. | 17:39 |
fungi | publish-nova-docs and test-nova-docs? | 17:39 |
fungi | meh | 17:39 |
clarkb | ya that | 17:39 |
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* AJaeger takes a note to think about some consistent naming and throw something out... | 17:40 | |
AJaeger | If we go for consistency, we can throw out the -nv as well... | 17:40 |
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openstackgerrit | Tony Breeds proposed openstack-infra/irc-meetings: Add new diskimage-builder team meeting https://review.openstack.org/343871 | 19:19 |
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prometheanfire | https://review.openstack.org/346541 | 19:21 |
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prometheanfire | this someting others have noticed? | 19:21 |
prometheanfire | setuptools issues | 19:21 |
prometheanfire | with 25.0.0 and | 19:22 |
prometheanfire | SETUPTOOLS_SYS_PATH_TECHNIQUE=rewrite | 19:22 |
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clarkb | prometheanfire: fwiw you can't actually prevent that due to chicken and egg issues | 19:24 |
clarkb | whatever is breaking will need to be corrected to deal with it | 19:25 |
clarkb | looks like devstack will need to be fixed | 19:25 |
prometheanfire | and others | 19:25 |
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prometheanfire | I think the projects may need to add it to their tox.ini | 19:26 |
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clarkb | you can't really | 19:26 |
clarkb | tox bundles setuptools | 19:26 |
clarkb | and by the time tox runs its too late because its loaded setuptools and if you downgrade it doesn't change anything | 19:27 |
clarkb | (well erally virtualenv bundles setuptools but tox deps on virtualenv) | 19:27 |
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prometheanfire | ya, was confused by that :P | 19:28 |
clarkb | either setuptools will need to be fixed or pbr or everything else to deal with the new behavior. But you can't reliably pin setuptools anywhere | 19:28 |
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prometheanfire | makes sense | 19:29 |
prometheanfire | damn, we even bundle it on gentoo :( | 19:30 |
prometheanfire | /var/tmp/portage/dev-python/virtualenv-15.0.1/image/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/virtualenv_support/setuptools-20.3-py2.py3-none-any.whl | 19:30 |
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prometheanfire | this summarise it? setuptools is not something we can reliably pin because setuptools needs to run to interpret the constraints | 19:33 |
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prometheanfire | well, commented | 19:36 |
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odyssey4me | prometheanfire clarkb I believe the way to combat that in virtualenvs is simply to remove virtualenv_support from it | 19:38 |
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odyssey4me | we do this as part of our virtualenv build process: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-repo_build/blob/master/tasks/repo_venv_build.yml#L44-L54 | 19:39 |
prometheanfire | odyssey4me: I'm not sure what you mean | 19:39 |
odyssey4me | that allows you to install whatever versions of pip, setuptools, wheel, etc into the virtualenv you want - rather than inheriting | 19:40 |
prometheanfire | ah, I see it in the path I pasted | 19:40 |
clarkb | odyssey4me: we can do that already if we jave a distinct step to do it. that step is the problem | 19:41 |
prometheanfire | that's one hackish way of doing it | 19:41 |
clarkb | because you cant actually control it everywhere | 19:41 |
clarkb | like eg on gentoo | 19:41 |
prometheanfire | clarkb: we don't control it, we install virualenv_support :P | 19:41 |
prometheanfire | which I am now talking to the python team to 'fix' | 19:42 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/irc-meetings: Update the search team meeting chairs https://review.openstack.org/346033 | 19:48 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/irc-meetings: Add new diskimage-builder team meeting https://review.openstack.org/343871 | 19:52 |
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odyssey4me | clarkb prometheanfire not sure if this makes a difference at all? http://blog.aclark.net/2014/03/19/virtualenv-support-update/ | 20:22 |
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odyssey4me | clarkb prometheanfire heh, or just create the virtualenvs using the --no-setuptools, --no-pip, --no-wheel options | 20:27 |
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clarkb | you would have to update tox and everything else | 20:39 |
clarkb | thsts the trouble its everyehere | 20:39 |
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openstackgerrit | Sirushti Murugesan proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add experimental tempest-dsvm xenial py3 job to devstack https://review.openstack.org/339778 | 20:54 |
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prometheanfire | clarkb: this isn't going to be simple :P | 21:02 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Add DB backends to neutron-lib periodic jobs https://review.openstack.org/346271 | 22:41 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Use python-db-jobs for networking-bgpvpn & l2gw https://review.openstack.org/346083 | 22:47 |
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craige | o/ | 23:01 |
jhesketh | Morning | 23:10 |
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openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Implement basic undercloud sanity checks https://review.openstack.org/346551 | 23:21 |
openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Implement a new job for undercloud testing only https://review.openstack.org/346147 | 23:23 |
openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Implement basic undercloud sanity checks https://review.openstack.org/346551 | 23:23 |
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craige | oh, can I bend your ear on a minor puppet issue jhesketh? | 23:32 |
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craige | Change 342481 is failing with an issue regarding the MySQL password, so I suspect that I have not implemented it correctly and would love either a pointer to doco or a solid working eaxmple, if that's OK. | 23:35 |
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openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Implement a new job for undercloud testing only https://review.openstack.org/346147 | 23:40 |
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