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openstackgerrit | Henry Gessau proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Move neutron coverage job to check queue https://review.openstack.org/343979 | 01:14 |
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openstackgerrit | Aaron Rosen proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add new project vmware-nsxlib https://review.openstack.org/349118 | 01:45 |
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Shrews | pabelanger: none of the network connections for that job are working. see the gear failures above that zk error | 03:37 |
Shrews | pabelanger: bad node? dunno | 03:37 |
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openstackgerrit | sandro.gattuso proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Wrapper pre-scm-buildstep: added support for failOnError parameter https://review.openstack.org/349219 | 03:47 |
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openstackgerrit | Takashi Kajinami proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for storlets bug 1608171 https://review.openstack.org/349226 | 05:15 |
openstack | bug 1608171 in storlets "docker pull fails in gate testing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1608171 | 05:15 |
openstackgerrit | Takashi Kajinami proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for storlets bug 1608171 https://review.openstack.org/349226 | 05:20 |
openstack | bug 1608171 in storlets "docker pull fails in gate testing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1608171 | 05:20 |
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openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Remove broken coverage jobs https://review.openstack.org/349242 | 07:56 |
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openstackgerrit | sandro.gattuso proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Wrapper pre-scm-buildstep: added support for failOnError parameter https://review.openstack.org/349219 | 08:46 |
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openstackgerrit | Sagi Shnaidman proposed openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Use ntp wait time as 10 min instead of 100 https://review.openstack.org/349261 | 12:47 |
openstackgerrit | Sagi Shnaidman proposed openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Use ntp wait time as 10 min instead of 100 https://review.openstack.org/349261 | 12:49 |
sshnaidm | is anybody from cores here? | 12:49 |
sdake | sshnaidm might wait a couple more hours | 12:57 |
sdake | its 6am on the west coast of the us atm | 12:57 |
sdake | and also sunday :) | 12:57 |
sshnaidm | sdake, maybe somebody from emea just in case :) | 12:57 |
sdake | ya i think AJaeger is in emea | 12:57 |
sdake | but again, sunday :) | 12:57 |
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sdake | i am not a core but have a fairly deep understanding of infra things - want to post your question - perhaps i can help | 12:58 |
sshnaidm | sdake, actually I need a review+merge for small bugfix: https://review.openstack.org/349261 | 13:01 |
sshnaidm | it blocks all tripleo jobs for now | 13:01 |
sdake | thought so - yup can't help with that | 13:01 |
sshnaidm | sdake, thanks anyway | 13:02 |
sdake | i might recommend posting to openstack-infra and requesting an emergency merge of your patch since the tripleo jobs are blocking merging of work | 13:03 |
sdake | (the mailing list) | 13:03 |
sshnaidm | sdake, right, thanks | 13:04 |
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jpmaxman | fungi: can you check your script is still clearing the spam. The foundation got a notice from Google. I should be able to pick back up on the wiki first thing in the morning. | 13:41 |
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fungi | jpmaxman: it's manual because i have to feed it the accounts to block and clean up after. i've been cleaning it up a few times a day | 13:44 |
fungi | though i may have skipped yesterday | 13:44 |
jpmaxman | Ok do we want to just block new user creation? | 13:44 |
fungi | the lack of interest from anyone else in staying on top of and policing this reinforces my opinion we should get rid of the wiki. we only get a few spammers a day and we have at least a dozen volunteer wiki admins if not more | 13:45 |
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fungi | but i'm fine continuing to just clean them up myself for now while we figure out if people really want to help maintain it or just want to benefit from it | 13:46 |
fungi | we had 8 new spammer accounts, i'm mass deleting their work now | 13:48 |
fungi | jpmaxman: was the complaing about a page that had already been deleted, or about one that had just appeared in the past 24 hours? | 13:48 |
fungi | er, complaint | 13:48 |
fungi | there we go, 70 pages cleaned up in the mass delete | 13:49 |
jpmaxman | Just forwarded to your email | 13:49 |
sdake | sshnaidm fungi can likely help your situation with tripleo | 13:49 |
jpmaxman | Thank you :) | 13:50 |
sshnaidm | fungi, hi | 13:50 |
sdake | morning fungi :) | 13:50 |
fungi | i'm still of the opinion that if the main concern the foundation has is that spam appearing on the wiki devalues the www site's google-juice, then you'd be fine with us adding a robots.txt to tell search engines not to index the site as a compromise | 13:50 |
fungi | sdake: sshnaidm: i was just looking at it. did you read the manpage for it? | 13:50 |
sshnaidm | fungi, yep | 13:50 |
sshnaidm | fungi, it's 3 options there :) | 13:51 |
sdake | fungi i dont know anything aboutthe problem - just pointing people in the right direction | 13:51 |
fungi | sshnaidm: on my system it says that's already the default. did it change between versions? | 13:51 |
sshnaidm | fungi, what's the default? | 13:51 |
fungi | sshnaidm: _that's_ why i asked if you read the manpage | 13:51 |
sshnaidm | fungi, and I answered yes :) | 13:51 |
sshnaidm | fungi, what's the default on your system? | 13:52 |
fungi | "-n number, --tries=number: Number of times to check ntpd. This option takes an integer number as its argument. The default number for this option is: 100" | 13:52 |
sshnaidm | fungi, 1000 : http://linux.die.net/man/8/ntp-wait | 13:52 |
fungi | your copy of the manpage doesn't say that? | 13:52 |
fungi | i'll double-check across all our distros | 13:52 |
sshnaidm | fungi, no, on centos it's 1000: CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core) | 13:52 |
fungi | it's possible the one i checked alters the -n default or something | 13:52 |
fungi | i was looking at debian/ubuntu examples | 13:53 |
sshnaidm | fungi, tripleo jobs are on centos | 13:53 |
fungi | i wasn't aware we had devstack-gate working on centos. fun stuff | 13:53 |
jpmaxman | fungi: I think the overarching solution is simply to fix the spam problem. But you are right we could do a robots file. I think generally everyone wants a functional wiki | 13:53 |
sdake | fungi yup kolla uses centos jobs too | 13:53 |
sshnaidm | fungi, it's for a few months, we used fedora before this | 13:54 |
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sdake | fungi fwiw i am superhappy centos has been in the gat eimages for over a year - really made our lives easier in kolla | 13:55 |
sdake | although it probably creates inconsistencies like the above | 13:55 |
sshnaidm | fungi, actually I didn't understand this commit to infra, why stopping ntp service was removed? If it runs (and this runs usually), it occupies the socket and no any ntp commands will succeed to run ntp, so it will never succeed to sync it | 13:55 |
fungi | jpmaxman: agreed, just wondering if that would be a better short-term compromise to satisfy google while we get the spamming reduced further. still, without people _actively_ policing for spam that slips through, if google's going to complain within 24 hours of spam appearing on the site we probably just can't let search engines index it any longer | 13:55 |
sshnaidm | fungi, but maybe I miss something.. | 13:56 |
sdake | could add a better captcha | 13:56 |
jpmaxman | I would just disable the new user creation until the upgrade is complete | 13:56 |
fungi | sdake: yeah, i was more just surprised we had devstack-gate working on centos. there was quite a while where devstack didn't really work well on it | 13:56 |
sdake | i dont know if there are any free ones that can't be gamed | 13:56 |
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sdake | fungi ya not ure about devtack itself - we dont use devstack | 13:57 |
jpmaxman | sdake: that's what we are working on but requires a media wiki upgrade | 13:57 |
sdake | but i assume it works since nobody complains :) | 13:57 |
fungi | jpmaxman: even after the upgrade is complete, the spam volume won't be zero, so we'd need some way to prevent google from getting up in arms when spam pages appear on it before anyone has a chance to delete them | 13:57 |
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sdake | jpmaxman roger just spitballing and bored :) | 13:57 |
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sdake | i guess i'll go do something productive and try my hand at adding mirrors :) | 13:58 |
sdake | bbl | 13:58 |
jpmaxman | fungi: the goal is zero :) at least from automated vectors | 13:59 |
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jpmaxman | But yes the robots file is not a bad idea | 13:59 |
fungi | yep, there are non-automated vectors | 13:59 |
jpmaxman | Especially in the short term | 13:59 |
jpmaxman | It would also devalue the target | 14:00 |
jpmaxman | Let me run it by jamesmcarthur | 14:00 |
fungi | right, our spam problem with paste.openstack.org evaporated within days of making it no longer indexed by major search engines | 14:00 |
openstackgerrit | Christian Fetzer proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Update Gitlab to >=1.3.0 https://review.openstack.org/333113 | 14:00 |
sshnaidm | fungi, maybe the better solution is just reverting this patch? what do you think? https://github.com/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/commit/53170ea72a3e86a02a750d90e983be55400d61e2 | 14:01 |
fungi | jpmaxman: i'm trying to follow the wiki link google complained about for that pdf, but am getting a 404 | 14:01 |
jpmaxman | Then it may be gone | 14:03 |
jpmaxman | There reporting may be way delayed too | 14:03 |
fungi | jpmaxman: and given that we stopped allowing any image uploads weeks ago... | 14:03 |
fungi | jpmaxman: and given that we stopped allowing pdf uploads and then i deleted all the uploaded pdf spam months ago... | 14:03 |
fungi | i would venture to guess this is _very_delated | 14:03 |
fungi | er, delayed | 14:03 |
fungi | i'll try to see if i have a record of when i deleted that file | 14:04 |
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jpmaxman | Ok cool | 14:07 |
fungi | yeah, pabelanger and pleia2 disabled pdf uploads back in january, but left a lot of the uploaded spam behind until i deleted it all on june 8 | 14:09 |
fungi | jpmaxman: so that file's been gone for ~7 weeks | 14:09 |
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jpmaxman | Ok good to know | 14:13 |
jpmaxman | So even when it is 100% fixed... | 14:14 |
jpmaxman | Robots file is looking even better | 14:14 |
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pabelanger | fungi: sshnaidm: tripleo is using devstack inplace of zuul-cloner. Its been on my list since Austin to fix that. | 14:42 |
pabelanger | fungi: sshnaidm: maybe I'll start on that this week | 14:42 |
pabelanger | fungi: I also agree with you on the wiki | 14:43 |
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sshnaidm | pabelanger, meanwhile we have a problem with ntp-wait on centos: https://review.openstack.org/349261 could you please review the bugfix in your time? | 14:43 |
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clarkb | the assertion in that is not true btw. date is important for them. Both for generated log timestamps and for timeout accounting. Are you blocking nto or otherwise doing something that will prevent it from converging? | 14:45 |
pabelanger | http://logs.openstack.org/77/299677/1/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-platform-centos7-nv/a0b6a43/console.html.gz#_2016-07-22_20_30_00_728807 | 14:45 |
fungi | sshnaidm: just finished researching, it looks like the default for that option was dropped from 1000 to 100 in 2013 (commit 5d565b7) but the manpage wasn't updated for a long time after that | 14:45 |
pabelanger | that's why devstack-gate job didn't catch it | 14:45 |
pabelanger | we should likely fix that in centos-7 dibs | 14:45 |
pabelanger | or bindepo | 14:45 |
sshnaidm | fungi, https://paste.fedoraproject.org/398808/76432146/ | 14:47 |
fungi | sshnaidm: might want to double-check that the source in use on centos doesn't have my $opts['tries'] defaulted to '100' under processOptions in scripts/ntp-wait/ntp-wait-opts | 14:47 |
sshnaidm | fungi, $opt_n = 1000; # How many tries before we give up? (10 min+) | 14:47 |
fungi | sshnaidm: yep, looks like an older version of the script then | 14:47 |
sshnaidm | fungi, seems like a typo "(10 min+)" | 14:48 |
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pabelanger | clarkb: suggestions on hold to install ntp-wait? Add yum install to devstack-gate? | 14:48 |
fungi | sshnaidm: yeah, i think the intent must have been 10 minutes going way back but it wasn't corrected until circa 2013 | 14:48 |
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clarkb | pabelanger: for f24? Ya I think just ad aninstall though ianw made a pull request to puppet-ntp as a first step I think | 14:50 |
sshnaidm | fungi, can you paste your version of ntp-wait? I want to try it on centos | 14:50 |
pabelanger | clarkb: let me find that | 14:50 |
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fungi | sshnaidm: i was browsing the commit history starting from the tip of master on https://github.com/ntp-project/ntp | 14:51 |
fungi | unfortunately they don't use tags so it's going to take me a bit to match up a particular commit with the base version used on ubuntu 16.04 lts | 14:52 |
pabelanger | clarkb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348601/ | 14:52 |
pabelanger | clarkb: let me check image builds | 14:52 |
pabelanger | yup, okay, make sense why tripleo is affected now | 14:53 |
pabelanger | Notice: /Stage[main]/Openstack_project::Template/Package[ntp-perl]/ensure: created | 14:53 |
pabelanger | sshnaidm: Have you figured out why ntp is failing to sync? | 14:55 |
pabelanger | http://logs.openstack.org/56/333556/35/check-tripleo/gate-tripleo-ci-centos-7-ovb-ha/2261346/console.html#_2016-07-31_10_06_40_147378 | 14:56 |
fungi | sshnaidm: comparing, ubuntu-xenial has a base ntp of 4.2.8, while fedora-24 and centos-7 are base from 4.2.6 | 14:56 |
sshnaidm | pabelanger, no, not yet.. ntpq fails to connect to servers, it finishes with leap_alarm, although the time is correct | 14:57 |
pabelanger | sshnaidm: okay, going to hold a node and start debugging it | 14:57 |
fungi | sshnaidm: what servers is it configured to use? are there firewalls between the job nodes and the ntp servers? | 14:57 |
sshnaidm | fungi, and do you have this script source in ubuntu machine? | 14:57 |
pabelanger | fungi: should be our defaults, it is centos-7 dib now | 14:57 |
sshnaidm | it uses usual 0/1/2 .centos.pool.ntp.org | 14:58 |
fungi | sshnaidm: it's a collection of files that make up ntp-wait, not just the script but also the option defaults file and probably more | 14:58 |
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sshnaidm | fungi, hmm.. in centos I have a single perl script in /usr/sbin/ntp-wait | 14:59 |
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fungi | sshnaidm: yeah, digging deeper, the option defaults are still baked into the script, just assembled from multiple parts at build time | 15:00 |
openstackgerrit | Christian Fetzer proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: gitlab trigger: Update Gitlab to >=1.3.0 https://review.openstack.org/333113 | 15:00 |
fungi | sshnaidm: http://paste.openstack.org/show/544706 | 15:00 |
sshnaidm | fungi, thanks! | 15:00 |
fungi | the processOptions subroutine defines my $opts['tries'] => '100' in that version | 15:01 |
fungi | which matches the current upstream master branch | 15:01 |
pabelanger | oh neat, ubuntu and centos nodes using different ntp servers. We should fix that | 15:01 |
fungi | pabelanger: well, they're using whatever servers are the default for their platform | 15:02 |
pabelanger | fungi: right, but we manage the file in puppet-ntp | 15:02 |
fungi | pabelanger: we _could_ run a tier 3 ntpd on each of our mirror servers and point the job nodes at those for better network happymaking | 15:02 |
pabelanger | we _could_ make them us the same server pool | 15:02 |
pabelanger | fungi: Oh, that might be a idea | 15:03 |
fungi | pabelanger: *.pool.ntp.org go to the same "pool" of servers regardless | 15:03 |
fungi | the platform-specific subdomain names are simply used for collecting usage statistics | 15:03 |
pabelanger | okay, good | 15:04 |
pabelanger | TIL | 15:04 |
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fungi | sshnaidm: as far as why we switched to ntp-wait, as the commit message explains ntpdate is deprecated in favor of ntp-wait. however based on this research into defaults i don't object to making the script we're calling specify a number of tries to make it perform consistently across platforms and i agree setting it to the current upstream default value (100) makes sense there | 15:06 |
sshnaidm | fungi, thanks | 15:07 |
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fungi | sshnaidm: after some familiarizing with their release process, it appears that commit was merged and included in the 4.2.7p400 release | 15:21 |
sshnaidm | fungi, on centos it's ntp-perl-4.2.6p5-22.el7.centos.2.noarch | 15:21 |
fungi | sshnaidm: yep, just pointing out that it explains why we see it on ubuntu-xenial nodes and why i saw it on my system (debian sid) with ntp 4.2.8 but not on our platforms using 4.2.6 | 15:22 |
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sshnaidm | fungi, yeah, right | 15:22 |
fungi | it looks like they do the 4.2.<even> trees as stable release series and 4.2.<odd> as development series, which is why the "p" numbers on 4.2.6 and 4.2.8 are so low relative to 4.2.7 | 15:24 |
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pabelanger | all these years using ntp, still don't understand how to troubleshoot it | 15:30 |
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pabelanger | Will have to look into it later | 15:47 |
pabelanger | can't get ntpd to sync to time-b.nist.gov | 15:47 |
pabelanger | but ntpdate will | 15:47 |
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fungi | pabelanger: if ntpdate was using -u then it bound to an unprivileged port client-side | 15:58 |
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fungi | pabelanger: ntpd needs packets allowed to 123/udp on the client side though | 15:59 |
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pabelanger | fungi: Right, however our default iptables rules don't allow that. Both inbound and outbound are lacking 123/udp | 16:00 |
pabelanger | so, is that something the job should setup or should our manifests? | 16:01 |
fungi | pabelanger: but iptables is likely doing a decent job of "state" tracking on udp packets even if they're sourced from 123/udp. is it possible the tripleo cloud has some sort of packet filter upstream from iptables on our job nodes? | 16:02 |
pabelanger | fungi: that is possible, I am not sure what the network looks like | 16:02 |
fungi | pabelanger: have you tried it from a node on another provider, not in the tripleo provider? | 16:03 |
pabelanger | fungi: ya, that is what I am doing now | 16:03 |
fungi | and it's broken everywhere? | 16:03 |
fungi | also note that ntpq uses unprivileged ports too, so if ntpq is working to query timeservers but ntpd is still not syncing to them, then that could also point to packet filtering as an issue | 16:06 |
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pabelanger | fungi: rax-iad works | 16:09 |
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pabelanger | so, this is limited to tripleo-test-cloud-rh2 | 16:09 |
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pabelanger | and I would agree a network issue | 16:10 |
fungi | yep, chances are it's an overzealous firewall admin going "nobody should be running an ntp server on this network, let's block all outbound 123/udp packets" or something | 16:11 |
fungi | all outbound packets sourced from 123/udp that is | 16:11 |
pabelanger | fungi: likely possible | 16:11 |
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fungi | or it could be the firewall/nat is screwed up and not properly handling state for some udp responses | 16:12 |
openstackgerrit | Steven Dake proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Add Debian Percona mirror https://review.openstack.org/349278 | 16:12 |
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fungi | regardless, need to get a network admin at that end to dig in filters/logs | 16:12 |
pabelanger | fungi: agreed, thanks for the help | 16:12 |
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fungi | huh, so far we've got 22% voter turnout for the mascot poll with ~32 hours remaining | 16:17 |
fungi | that's surprisingly high | 16:18 |
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sdake_ | fungi i w ouldl have voted | 16:23 |
sdake_ | but no idea what peopel really care to want ;) | 16:23 |
sdake_ | but your right 22% is really high for a mascot voter turnout | 16:24 |
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openstackgerrit | Henry Gessau proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add neutron coverage job to check and gate queues https://review.openstack.org/343979 | 16:33 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/puppet-userstory_dashboard: Initial boilerplate files https://review.openstack.org/343912 | 16:39 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Add initial err2d2 project config https://review.openstack.org/348998 | 16:43 |
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fungi | harlowja: ^ i'll get group membership set up for that when the import completes (hopefully any minute now) | 16:58 |
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openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Switch twine to upload.pypi.org https://review.openstack.org/349282 | 17:03 |
fungi | dstufft: ^ | 17:03 |
greghaynes | wow that name is amazing | 17:04 |
greghaynes | err2d2 | 17:04 |
fungi | greghaynes: yes. yes it is | 17:04 |
dstufft | fungi: looks good to me | 17:04 |
fungi | dstufft: mainly making sure the /legacy endpoint is expected to work under the new domain | 17:05 |
fungi | dstufft: thanks! | 17:05 |
dstufft | fungi: yea, it's the excat same code and everything, I just added a different domain | 17:05 |
fungi | perfect | 17:05 |
dstufft | I wish dude had agreed to our $500 offer 6 months ago before I told everyone to use the .io, but what can you do | 17:05 |
fungi | domain squatters. meh | 17:06 |
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dstufft | yea | 17:07 |
dstufft | oh well, pypi.org is a bit nicer than pypi.io so at least it ends happily | 17:07 |
fungi | harlowja: you're now a core reviewer on the new repo in gerrit | 17:07 |
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openstackgerrit | Takashi Kajinami proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for storlets bug 1608171 https://review.openstack.org/349226 | 17:13 |
openstack | bug 1608171 in storlets "docker pull fails in gate testing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1608171 | 17:13 |
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mriedem | mordred: is it possible to get mox3 docs hosted on docs.o.o? | 17:43 |
mriedem | since the original google docs appear to have been dropped | 17:43 |
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fungi | i take it mox3 hasn't died an honorable death yet? | 17:56 |
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AJaeger | mriedem: we only host docs for official Big Tent projects on docs.o.o | 18:45 |
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fungi | good point, the source was only (somewhat recently) moved to gerrit so people could get some patches into it more easily | 19:14 |
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fungi | i think it wasn't intended to stick around this long as it was just a quick and dirty mox fork | 19:15 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Use ntp wait time as 10 min instead of 100 https://review.openstack.org/349261 | 19:55 |
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mriedem | there is a bunch of mox in a bunch of projects still | 21:22 |
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craige | o/ | 22:23 |
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fungi | mriedem: yeah, but i thought the plan was to replace use of mox in projects with mock rather than mox3 at this point | 22:49 |
mriedem | fungi: it is, | 22:49 |
mriedem | it just takes forever | 22:49 |
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fungi | i hear that | 22:49 |
fungi | just, i'd personally push back on new patches introducing mox3 as a shortcut to py3k support | 22:50 |
fungi | since it's one more thing that'd need to be undone | 22:50 |
fungi | but i get that we still need mox3 maintained while we transition off whatever's already using it | 22:50 |
fungi | setting up rtfd to publish the docs for it would probably be a reasonable approach | 22:51 |
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jhesketh | Morning | 23:07 |
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openstackgerrit | Craige McWhirter proposed openstack-infra/puppet-phabricator: Patches Required to Deliver Pholio https://review.openstack.org/342481 | 23:32 |
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ianw | pabelanger / clarkb: dropped a comment in https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1608226 ... i have a bug open on ntp-wait trying to get some info on why it hangs; i noticed it works after a restart of ntpd daemon, not sure if tripleo tried that. it might have to do with it's network detection stuff | 23:38 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1608226 in tripleo "Ci: new ntp-wait command in devstack-gate hangs for 100 minutes which breaks jobs" [Critical,New] - Assigned to Sagi (Sergey) Shnaidman (sshnaidm) | 23:38 |
ianw | sshnaidm: ^ | 23:39 |
HenryG | ianw: Would you mind spending a couple of seconds looking at https://review.openstack.org/337698 ? | 23:40 |
ianw | HenryG: seems fine ... no expert on it though :) | 23:42 |
HenryG | ianw: Much appreciated, it's just a dashboard. | 23:43 |
HenryG | pleia2: if you are around, please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/337698 | 23:43 |
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ianw | HenryG: iirc correctly she is traveling, let's just go with it | 23:47 |
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pabelanger | openstack: restart has no affect. I still believe there is an upstream network issue | 23:50 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/reviewday: Add neutron-lib project to neutron review dashboard https://review.openstack.org/337698 | 23:50 |
pabelanger | ianw: ^ | 23:50 |
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ianw | pabelanger: could very well be the case :( just something i saw | 23:50 |
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