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| notmyname | fungi: we don't actually have xfs-specific tests. just tests that write more than 4k of metadata (whcih ext4 doesn't support). also, xfs is the expected deployment target (for reasons including the current issue) | 00:00 |
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| pabelanger | mtreinish: we should be fine, since that is in /etc/hosts | 00:01 |
| notmyname | hmm..I don't see anywhere in the test interface definition that requires running tests on ext4 ;-) | 00:01 |
| mtreinish | pabelanger: ok, that's what I figured, just wanted to make sure | 00:01 |
| notmyname | fungi: ianw: thank you for your help and time. I'll look into it! | 00:02 |
| fungi | notmyname: i think the spirit of the "consistent testing interface" is that i, as a developer for other openstack projects, can have some reasonable confidence that running a reasonable majority of your unit tests locally doesn't require special foreknowledge about how to prepare the test environment or special commands needed to run the tests | 00:02 |
| fungi | notmyname: but i'll do my best to not channel the tc on that one | 00:03 |
| notmyname | fungi: yeah, I get it :-) | 00:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Enable ntpdate service for centos-7 https://review.openstack.org/349692 | 00:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config: Remove openstackci-tripleo-test-cloud-rh2 from ansible-clouds https://review.openstack.org/349613 | 00:04 |
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| fungi | clarkb: if/when you're around, 340641 is looking for some feedback on what you had to do to get apache mod_auth_openid to work with openstackid.org | 00:05 |
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| fungi | craige: ^ | 00:05 |
| fungi | i gather clarkb managed to get it to work with a test etherpad instance | 00:06 |
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| craige | Yes. Thanks fungi. I was testing it and could not get it to work with OpenStackID at all yesterday. | 00:07 |
| fungi | craige: just echoing your request from your review comment with some different words | 00:07 |
| craige | Appreciated :-) | 00:08 |
| fungi | i don't personally know what ended up being involved, but am fairly certain he got it working | 00:08 |
| craige | and I'd rather we had this go live against OpenStackID. I don't want it to be blocker either though. | 00:09 |
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| fungi | craige: yeah, i think if it can be made to work with minimal effort that's cool, but if not then going live with lp for now is fine too it just means we have to plan for a transition later | 00:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add gate-tripleo-quickstart-docs-ubuntu-xenial job https://review.openstack.org/349087 | 00:11 |
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| craige | I've written code for that transition too (as a result of the manifest work, fungi) but getting right would be nice. | 00:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add debian-openstack source.list to debian https://review.openstack.org/341856 | 00:14 |
| pabelanger | fungi: thanks for review on ^, now fixed | 00:14 |
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| fungi | right, coding is not so much a problem. it's that we can't know for sure there's any way to definitively map a given set of lp accounts to openstack foundation accounts (e-mail addresses may not be marked public in lp, or the user may have no foundation account, or they might have used different e-mail addresses for lp and openstack) | 00:15 |
| fungi | craige: ^ | 00:15 |
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| fungi | and that's a challenge we're going to face with each and every service we migrate | 00:16 |
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| fungi | pabelanger: thanks--approved. though now we're starting to get to the point where we can refactor some more to combine distro-family-specific patterns and reduce repetition further | 00:17 |
| craige | True fungi. I was only partially solving that problem for the manifest work. | 00:20 |
| pabelanger | fungi: indeed, I was going to try and do a follow up to reduce some of the duplicated debian / ubuntu code | 00:20 |
| fungi | pabelanger: figured. wfm | 00:20 |
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| pabelanger | fungi: maybe this week we could talk about https://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror and if that would work in replacement of reprepro for mirror debian / ubuntu. I haven't tried it yet, but looks to use a 2 step rsync process with (maybe) some validation | 00:31 |
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| fungi | pabelanger: sounds good | 00:34 |
| fungi | i think it supports per-arch partial mirrors, which is the only partial mirroring support we really need | 00:35 |
| fungi | well, per-arch/suite (we'd presumably only mirror main, not contrib nor non-free) | 00:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Craige McWhirter proposed openstack-infra/puppet-phabricator: Patches Required to Deliver Pholio https://review.openstack.org/342481 | 00:48 |
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| clarkb | there is a discovery url you have to use | 00:52 |
| clarkb | I think | 00:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Add debian-openstack source.list to debian https://review.openstack.org/341856 | 00:52 |
| clarkb | also on plane waiting for engine to worky | 00:52 |
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| craige | Is that for OpenStackID, clarkb? | 00:54 |
| clarkb | yes | 00:55 |
| craige | Cool. Any pointers on discovering discovery URL? | 00:55 |
| clarkb | the root also has some redirect to it but I forget if mod auth openid could follow it | 00:55 |
| clarkb | craige should be listed in that "redirect" if you look at reslonse headers for / | 00:56 |
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| clarkb | oh also I only checked -dev not sure if prod server has deployed the necessary fixes yet | 00:57 |
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| clarkb | so I would test with -dev fir now | 00:57 |
| craige | Thanks. | 00:57 |
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| stevemar | clarkb: btw https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1602407 was updated, let me know what you think | 02:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1602407 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "MySQL tests significantly slower than PostgreSQL tests" [Undecided,New] | 02:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Setup constraints for release https://review.openstack.org/349627 | 05:20 |
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| AJaeger | fungi, corvus, Nakato: I've updated the constraint checkout so that it works in other pipelines as well. Still needs some testing... ^ | 05:21 |
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| Nakato | AJaeger: Do you know what the environment variables going through there look like? I'll see look into what it will take to do it in ZUUL to get it to get the output as gerrit-git-prep would | 05:23 |
| AJaeger | If you look at logs.openstack.org/37/37b472a13419cfc1cdc6179b11f136fbfdb85064/release/germqtt-tarball/ab548ac/ | 05:24 |
| AJaeger | go to the ansible playbook: http://logs.openstack.org/37/37b472a13419cfc1cdc6179b11f136fbfdb85064/release/germqtt-tarball/ab548ac/_zuul_ansible/playbook | 05:24 |
| AJaeger | Nakato: that contains the variables | 05:24 |
| AJaeger | And that log is also what made me right this change, see backscroll discussion from 12 hours ago here. | 05:25 |
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| Nakato | I have a suspicion we may want to revert 015252915c680454d504aabe569cb088b2e5636a as well, but that's a guess. | 05:27 |
| AJaeger | Nakato: fungi suggested to use the new macro also in place of zuul-git-prep-upper-constraints - that's why I enhanced it. | 05:29 |
| AJaeger | So, yes, we would revert that change basically. I want to take this step by step - this is a bit complex... | 05:30 |
| Nakato | that branch bit was an attempt to get zuul to work before the change to make it work in post happened. I never did any testing with --branch provided on the command line. | 05:31 |
| AJaeger | Do you think my approach is sane - or do you have a simpler solution in mind? I'm happy to wait a few days for something superior ;) | 05:32 |
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| Nakato | I'm mostly worried about adding a whole bunch of shell on top of this which will make it more complicated. But it's been so long since I looked at this now I don't know if the zuul change will cover this. | 05:34 |
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| AJaeger | Nakato: yeah ;( | 05:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Revert "Enable Ceph in OVB/HA2" https://review.openstack.org/349810 | 05:58 |
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| pleia2 | cj: ^^ btw, that patch, related to yours, should be good now | 06:01 |
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| Nakato | AJaeger: +1 Yea, your workaround looks good. | 06:33 |
| Nakato | As well, as long as it doesn't run get_branch_tag when ZUUL_BRANCH is defined, I think it would work in any pipeline | 06:35 |
| AJaeger | please comment on the review so that we do not lose it - I still need to test a bit... | 06:36 |
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| AJaeger | thanks, Nakato | 06:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vasyl Saienko proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add ironic-dsvm-multitest experimental job. https://review.openstack.org/340295 | 06:44 |
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| yolanda | good morning | 06:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ben Kero proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Move {name}-docs to ubuntu-xenial https://review.openstack.org/347941 | 06:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Elizabeth K. Joseph proposed openstack-infra/infra-specs: Add survey spec https://review.openstack.org/349831 | 07:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Elizabeth K. Joseph proposed openstack-infra/infra-specs: Add survey spec https://review.openstack.org/349831 | 07:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jesse Pretorius (odyssey4me) proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Implement Xenial/CentOS jobs for OpenStack-Ansible https://review.openstack.org/329892 | 07:42 |
| odyssey4me | AJaeger I see that we have jobs in zuul for docs and linters that are using both trusty and xenial - is that an intended transition? | 07:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ricardo Carrillo Cruz proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Fix hiera lookup for Firehose public key https://review.openstack.org/349845 | 07:45 |
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| rcarrillocruz | yolanda: mind reviewing ^ ? | 07:48 |
| rcarrillocruz | quick review, promised | 07:48 |
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| yolanda | sure | 07:49 |
| yolanda | ++ | 07:50 |
| rcarrillocruz | thx | 07:50 |
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| AJaeger | odyssey4me: yes. For newton and newer (incl. master): We use xenial, for mikata and older: trusty. | 08:15 |
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| AJaeger | The old releases have been tested on trusty, so we don't want to switch the os version and introduce problems that way | 08:16 |
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| odyssey4me | AJaeger ah ok | 08:18 |
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| odyssey4me | I guess I'll have to add an exception for us again then, because we're getting both sets of jobs running for the linters job now | 08:18 |
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| AJaeger | odyssey4me: argh ;( Yeah, you need to finetune that regex a bit more ;) | 08:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jesse Pretorius (odyssey4me) proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Update OpenStack-Ansible trusty skip to include linters job https://review.openstack.org/349858 | 08:26 |
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| odyssey4me | AJaeger ^ done | 08:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Giulio Fidente proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Install Ceph Hammer and/or Jewel from CentOS Storage SIG repos https://review.openstack.org/340504 | 10:07 |
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| Adri2000 | fungi: hello, I'm trying to use invite2summit (to send discount codes to our local user group members for an upcoming local openstack day) but it doesn't seem to handle well non-ASCII characters (like when writing in French instead of English...). two questions: 1) how easy do you think it'd be to fix that? 2) would a fix be accepted even if it makes the script a little bit more complex? | 10:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | sandro.gattuso proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Wrapper pre-scm-buildstep: added support for failOnError parameter https://review.openstack.org/349219 | 10:32 |
| pleia2 | Adri2000: speaking to the second, since we too have an international community of members, I'm sure the patch would be appreciated | 10:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | sandro.gattuso proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Wrapper pre-scm-buildstep: added support for failOnError parameter https://review.openstack.org/349219 | 10:35 |
| vsaienko | project-config core please help to merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342936/ | 10:35 |
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| Adri2000 | pleia2: ok good to know :) | 10:40 |
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| rcarrillocruz | back | 10:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | sandro.gattuso proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Wrapper pre-scm-buildstep: added support for failOnError parameter https://review.openstack.org/349219 | 11:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jesse Pretorius (odyssey4me) proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Implement Xenial/CentOS jobs for OpenStack-Ansible https://review.openstack.org/329892 | 11:07 |
| odyssey4me | jhesketh resolved the nits | 11:08 |
| odyssey4me | thanks for the review! | 11:08 |
| jhesketh | odyssey4me: cool, thanks | 11:08 |
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| odyssey4me | oh blast, need to fix jenkins/jobs/projects now | 11:09 |
| jhesketh | odyssey4me: yep, just about to note that ;-) | 11:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Jesse Pretorius (odyssey4me) proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Implement Xenial/CentOS jobs for OpenStack-Ansible https://review.openstack.org/329892 | 11:09 |
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| odyssey4me | jhesketh ^ hopefully that completes that | 11:10 |
| jhesketh | odyssey4me: lgtm :-) | 11:10 |
| odyssey4me | thanks! | 11:10 |
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| AJaeger | odyssey4me: let's merge it - expecting that our jobs pass ;) | 11:13 |
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| odyssey4me | jhesketh perhaps you could take a peek at https://review.openstack.org/348901 too ? | 11:17 |
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| odyssey4me | thanks AJaeger | 11:19 |
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| jhesketh | odyssey4me: sure, looking | 11:34 |
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| jhesketh | odyssey4me: lgtm | 11:37 |
| odyssey4me | thanks jhesketh - we'll need a bindep release after that merges in order to consume it | 11:37 |
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| odyssey4me | I can put in a release request - I'm not sure who the release liaison is though? | 11:38 |
| jhesketh | odyssey4me: I'd suggest chatting to fungi or the mailing list | 11:39 |
| AJaeger | odyssey4me, jhesketh: fungi can do the bindep release... | 11:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/bindep: Add '_' to the list of valid characters acceptable in package name https://review.openstack.org/348901 | 11:41 |
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| odyssey4me | ok, I'll do the release request | 11:41 |
| odyssey4me | I expect that it may need a +1 from jhesketh or fungi before the release team will process it. | 11:42 |
| AJaeger | odyssey4me: these releases for bindep are done directly by an infra admin,. | 11:42 |
| odyssey4me | .oh hang on, this is an infra repo | 11:42 |
| odyssey4me | haha, ok | 11:42 |
| AJaeger | odyssey4me: we do not use the release team process. So, ask fungi to do one for you. | 11:42 |
| odyssey4me | never mind :p | 11:42 |
| jhesketh | yep | 11:42 |
| odyssey4me | ok, will wait until fungi comes online | 11:42 |
| AJaeger | he already had this on his radar yesterday if I understood him correctly... | 11:43 |
| odyssey4me | thanks for the assistance :) | 11:43 |
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| rcarrillocruz | pabelanger: around? | 12:03 |
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| mordred | morning all | 12:22 |
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| Zara | o/ | 12:23 |
| AJaeger | morning, mordred | 12:23 |
| mordred | Zara, AJaeger: how's the other side of the Atlantic? | 12:23 |
| AJaeger | yolanda: networking-generic-switch is not listed in governance repo as part of Neutron team - so I'll +A https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342936/ now since Neutron Infra liason is not needed | 12:23 |
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| AJaeger | mordred: rainy ;) | 12:24 |
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| Zara | grey, but no rain here! :D (for a change) | 12:25 |
| Zara | it rained yesterday | 12:26 |
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| mordred | Zara: it was sunny my one day in Manchester, so in my mind it never rains there | 12:31 |
| Zara | :0 | 12:31 |
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| AJaeger | mordred: we're cheerfull as usual ;) | 12:32 |
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| mordred | AJaeger: :) | 12:33 |
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| yolanda | AJaeger, sorry there | 12:34 |
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| yolanda | thanks for approving | 12:35 |
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| Zara | It's 1:30pm over here and I still don't feel like I've woken up. am consuming all the tea. I made some storyboard explanatory diagram things last night which folks may be interested in (they should explain the relation betwen stories, tasks and projects). https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000667 for the curious | 12:37 |
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| Zara | they might be helpful when talking to folks, I don't know. I couldn't find it laid out anywhere else. | 12:37 |
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| AJaeger | yolanda: no worries. | 12:41 |
| * AJaeger seems to have a similar sleep virus as Zara has ;( | 12:42 | |
| jpmaxman | morning fungi :) I wanted to give you a wiki update | 12:42 |
| AJaeger | Zara: looking at your story, I see "400: GET /api/v1/users/preferences: Invalid input for field/attribute user_id. Value: 'preferences'. unable to convert to int " | 12:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Add networking-generic-switch-dsvm-temepst job. https://review.openstack.org/342936 | 12:43 |
| * AJaeger logs in and out again | 12:43 | |
| Zara | AJaeger: gah, yeah, that's an irritating bug, it should display when refreshed | 12:43 |
| Zara | it's a remnant of the old 401 | 12:43 |
| AJaeger | The other way round - first out, then in... | 12:43 |
| Zara | that used to log the user out and redirect them to a new exciting place, every hour | 12:43 |
| Zara | so... we're getting there... :/ | 12:44 |
| AJaeger | "Fig 2: How people mistakenly think StoryBoard works:" - make a big cross through that picture, please. I only got it on second reading ;( | 12:45 |
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| Zara | hahaha, okay, that's handy. I wondered if I should move it to the end or something. | 12:45 |
| jpmaxman | fungi: I have the wiki running on the latest 1.27 version of media wiki and the reCaptcha2.0/NoCaptcha working. | 12:46 |
| Zara | (the story for the bug you encountered is here: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000407 . I don't yet know how to fix it. :() | 12:46 |
| jpmaxman | https://wiki-upgrade-test.openstack.org/ | 12:46 |
| jpmaxman | a few gotchas | 12:46 |
| AJaeger | Zara: otherwise, nice "story" - thanks for writing it up. | 12:46 |
| jpmaxman | the skin system was updated and as such the OpenStack skin based on strapping is a bit borken | 12:46 |
| AJaeger | jpmaxman: seems that fungi is not around yet, I expect he reads backscroll... | 12:46 |
| Zara | AJaeger: thanks! :) I hope it's helpful. in the past I've found it clicks when we explain it to people in person, but that doesn't scale well... | 12:47 |
| jpmaxman | AJaeger: never experienced that before - feeling a little uneasy ;) | 12:47 |
| jpmaxman | ok I'll pause and see if he comes online | 12:47 |
| jpmaxman | thanks | 12:47 |
| AJaeger | Zara: it's indeed helpful! | 12:48 |
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| AJaeger | jpmaxman: feel free to talk to us, we listen - and fungi might answer later the same way ;) | 12:48 |
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| jpmaxman | AJaeger: hah - ok - well the take away is really that we need to fix the theme and re-enable the extensions | 12:50 |
| jpmaxman | this is the list of extensions | 12:50 |
| jpmaxman | http://paste.openstack.org/show/545619/ | 12:50 |
| jpmaxman | I'd previously discussed with fungi only re-enabling a handful | 12:51 |
| jpmaxman | of ones we know are used | 12:51 |
| jpmaxman | and waiting until someone complains | 12:51 |
| jpmaxman | to re-enable the others | 12:51 |
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| jpmaxman | so primarily I was looking for input on which extensions we know are necessary | 12:51 |
| AJaeger | 167 extensions? Wow ;( | 12:52 |
| rcarrillocruz | yolanda: mind checking https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349738/1 too? we still have issues with ssh access as root on xenial | 12:52 |
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| yolanda | sure | 12:52 |
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| AJaeger | jpmaxman: is there a way to figure out which ones are in use today? | 12:53 |
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| jpmaxman | well ostensibly they are all "in use" weather they are necessary is maybe a different story | 12:54 |
| pabelanger | rcarrillocruz: yolanda: do you mind helping land: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348959/ it adds the storage folder to our centos mirrors | 12:54 |
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| jpmaxman | some are obvious "WikiEditor" for example | 12:54 |
| jpmaxman | some are dead simple, googleanalytics | 12:55 |
| rcarrillocruz | sure | 12:55 |
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| jpmaxman | there are a handful that were put in just for spam which hopefully the noCaptcha will now solve | 12:55 |
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| jpmaxman | I don't know maybe an etherpad and start striking them off | 12:56 |
| AJaeger | yeah - let's wait for fungi ;) Consider me surprised with that number - but I'm not a wiki admin, just a user;) | 12:57 |
| jpmaxman | ok I'm going to take a bit of a break - I'm on the GMT - but will check in a bit later | 12:57 |
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| odyssey4me | yolanda if you have a moment, a review of https://review.openstack.org/348907 & https://review.openstack.org/349858 would be appreciated | 13:12 |
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| yolanda | pabelanger, odyssey4me , looking | 13:13 |
| odyssey4me | thanks yolanda | 13:13 |
| yolanda | no problem | 13:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config: Mirror centos storage mirror to AFS https://review.openstack.org/348959 | 13:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Update OpenStack-Ansible trusty skip to include linters job https://review.openstack.org/349858 | 13:29 |
| fungi | AJaeger: Nakato: agreed on dropping --branch in the non-branch versions of the zuul-cloner wrapper macros. i too suspected they were there as a workaround for older z-c behavior | 13:31 |
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| rosmaita | anteaya: got a minute for a quick question about requirements? | 13:31 |
| pabelanger | AJaeger: Thanks for the reviews, been awhile since I did doc jobs | 13:32 |
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| AJaeger | rosmaita: #openstack-requirements has the requirements team in it | 13:32 |
| fungi | Adri2000: ahh, you mean it doesn't handle the message body being in non-ascii? yes, a fix for that would be most welcome indeed. i don't think i've ever tried sending anything other than english message content with it | 13:33 |
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| AJaeger | fungi, I wonder whether we need both wrapper macros or can merge them into one - I'm interested in review of my updated version. I'll do some manual testing later today as well... | 13:33 |
| fungi | odyssey4me: jhesketh: AJaeger: i'm happy to punch through a bindep release today if we don't need any other fixes squeezed in | 13:33 |
| odyssey4me | fungi thanks - no other fixes needed to my knowledge | 13:34 |
| AJaeger | fungi, get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345792/ for cleanup ;) | 13:34 |
| AJaeger | fungi, then the queue is empty - with exception for your merge conflicts | 13:35 |
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| odyssey4me | fair point | 13:35 |
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| fungi | jpmaxman: great! that is a massive list of extensions. i wonder if Ryan_Lane originally just loaded it up with most of the extensions wikipedia uses (which would be serious overkill for our use case) | 13:36 |
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| Adri2000 | fungi: yes, that I think I managed to fix but not sure it's the best way. and I still have an issue when the name of a recipient is non-ASCII. I'll push my current patch to gerrit so you and others can suggest how to improve it | 13:37 |
| fungi | Adri2000: well, i send to tons of recipients with non-ascii characters in their names, so i'm pretty sure it handles that fine (at least if you stick to utf-8 for everything) | 13:38 |
| fungi | which i think is a safe assumption we can make. i wouldn't want to bloat it with handling arbitrary locale detection | 13:39 |
| Adri2000 | fungi: probably I broke it with my patch to handle non-ASCII body :) | 13:39 |
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| Zara | (hm, the wiki extensions include one to format poems nicely. new favourite! :)) | 13:40 |
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| fungi | Zara: yeah, and at least a couple for running in-wiki fundraisers | 13:40 |
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| fungi | i get the impression this was a grab-bag of extensions Ryan_Lane thought we might use some day, or perhaps just the set they use on wikipedia servers | 13:41 |
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| fungi | because there are a bunch of these i'm quite certain we don't need | 13:41 |
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| rosmaita | AJaeger: thanks! | 13:42 |
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| fungi | for example... https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MoodBar | 13:43 |
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| fungi | lets users submit feedback on the quality of their page editing experience like "Editing this wiki made me (happy) (sad) (confused) because [freeform text feedback]" | 13:44 |
| Zara | hahaha | 13:45 |
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| Zara | I'm glad it wasn't more visible | 13:46 |
| pabelanger | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/nodepool?from=1470059248375&to=1470145648375 | 13:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Only coerce glance properties we know need it https://review.openstack.org/350024 | 13:50 |
| pabelanger | corvus: clarkb: when you have a minute, could use some help understanding ^. Seems just after 00:30 UTC, we had a surplus of ubuntu-trusty nodes launched and become ready. If I remember correctly, it was about 80-100 just waiting for an extended amount of time | 13:50 |
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| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz, pabelanger: are we still waiting on patches to land to fix the ssh issue? | 13:51 |
| pabelanger | mtreinish: ya, let me double check | 13:51 |
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| fungi | jpmaxman: when you get back we can compare notes... the https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Special:Version page indicates we only have 31 extensions and 1 skin installed so maybe the list you're looking at includes optional extensions that are present but not "installed" somehow? or maybe the version page doesn't properly list extensions we're using? | 13:52 |
| pabelanger | mtreinish: yes, approved waiting for gate to pass | 13:52 |
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| rcarrillocruz | mtreinish: yes, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349738/ | 13:53 |
| rcarrillocruz | i also spotted an issue on the site.pp declaration, pushed change and fixed | 13:53 |
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| rcarrillocruz | and created hiera keys on puppetmaster | 13:54 |
| rcarrillocruz | pub/priv keys and db pass | 13:54 |
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| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: cool, thanks | 13:54 |
| mtreinish | pabelanger, rcarrillocruz: this gate failure looks kinda related: http://logs.openstack.org/38/349738/1/gate/gate-infra-puppet-apply-centos-7/62ccbb3/console.html#_2016-08-02_12_57_10_408532 | 13:54 |
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| pabelanger | mtreinish: hmm, that is odd | 13:55 |
| rcarrillocruz | yeah, i had that this morning | 13:55 |
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| rcarrillocruz | rechecked and pass thru | 13:55 |
| rcarrillocruz | then must be a mirror with puppet-ssh stale | 13:56 |
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| pabelanger | oh | 13:56 |
| pabelanger | I think I know the issue | 13:56 |
| pabelanger | let me check how old that image is | 13:56 |
| rcarrillocruz | pabelanger: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348959/ merged | 13:56 |
| dhellmann | fungi : good morning! before I start processing tuesday releases I wanted to check in and make sure things were in a good state and not in flux | 13:56 |
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| pabelanger | rcarrillocruz: mtreinish: Ya, I think that is our zuul-cloner bug. The images are 5+ days old in ovh | 13:57 |
| fungi | dhellmann: yes, we haven't merged any new job changes and will keep you apprised if we do | 13:57 |
| dhellmann | fungi : great, thanks | 13:57 |
| pabelanger | rcarrillocruz: mtreinish: it is fixed, but images our outdated | 13:57 |
| fungi | dhellmann: i doubt we'd do any today though. it's the day-o-meetin's | 13:57 |
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| rcarrillocruz | pabelanger: what is the bug about? | 13:57 |
| dhellmann | fungi : ++ | 13:57 |
| pabelanger | rcarrillocruz: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/zuul/commit/?id=84c4f940000f731265416c7c0e4b482cd1a713da | 13:57 |
| pabelanger | manually a centos-7 to ovh-bhs1 now | 13:58 |
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| mtreinish | pabelanger: ah, ok | 13:59 |
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| fungi | project-config-core: ^ a quick review that that would be helpful so i can make sure it works on the bindep release i'm tagging shortly | 14:23 |
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| corvus | pabelanger: i don't know what would have caused that; i think it would be somewhat difficult to figure it out at this point, and since it corrected itself, i'm not sure i want to sink the time into it unless we see it again.... | 14:37 |
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| pabelanger | corvus: agreed, I am going to check again tonight. As it first happened on Friday evening. | 14:37 |
| corvus | pabelanger: oh, this isn't the first? was it at the same time? | 14:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config: Also use IP address in from fields for authorized_keys https://review.openstack.org/349738 | 14:38 |
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| anteaya | fungi: +2 on 350052 | 14:39 |
| pabelanger | corvus: Ya, 2nd time. 2016-07-30 at 00:30 UTC was the other time | 14:40 |
| anteaya | almost an anagram | 14:40 |
| fungi | thanks anteaya | 14:40 |
| corvus | pabelanger: weird. about .5 hour earlier | 14:41 |
| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: ^^^ \o/ it landed | 14:42 |
| anteaya | welcome | 14:42 |
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| corvus | fungi: the signed tarball will be uploaded to tarballs.o.o, then you'll poke at it from there and make sure it looks ok? | 14:42 |
| wznoinsk | hi infra... do I need +2 on this http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/100453.html ? | 14:43 |
| fungi | corvus: correct. that is the plan | 14:43 |
| corvus | fungi: lgtm | 14:43 |
| fungi | corvus: not actually planning to ever upload these to pypi either since dstufft says signature uploads won't be a feature of warehouse | 14:44 |
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| corvus | fungi: oh. | 14:44 |
| fungi | basically seen by the pypi maintainers as a misplaced feature they don't want to support | 14:44 |
| corvus | fungi: oh. | 14:44 |
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| rcarrillocruz | mtreinish: yeah, was monitoring firehose | 14:45 |
| rcarrillocruz | im firing a play run manually on firehose | 14:45 |
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| anteaya | wznoinsk: no, as I have said many times infra's role in third party ci accounts is to ensure the account meets requirement to remain enabled | 14:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk (sileht) proposed openstack-infra/project-config: telemetry: Don't enable panko on old branch https://review.openstack.org/344836 | 14:46 |
| anteaya | we have no role in whether a given project wants you to verify patches | 14:46 |
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| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: cool, lets hope it works :) | 14:46 |
| rcarrillocruz | mtreinish: did you also got issues when pulling packages http://paste.openstack.org/show/545645/ | 14:46 |
| rcarrillocruz | ? | 14:46 |
| fungi | corvus: but at least this still gives us somewhere to provide signatures of our release artifacts distro package maintainers and other concerned users can verify (and the solution can be generalized to support anything we upload to tarballs.o.o too) | 14:47 |
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| dstufft | corvus: fungi to be clear, we do plan to implement a signature scheme, just incredibly unlikely to be based around gpg | 14:47 |
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| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: I did, but I already had it installed so I just commented those out for my testing | 14:48 |
| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: I probably screwed something up in puppet-germqtt | 14:48 |
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| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-germqtt/tree/manifests/init.pp | 14:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Move image uploads to tarballs.openstack.org https://review.openstack.org/350061 | 14:48 |
| mtreinish | I just copied that from what I did on previous puppet repos | 14:48 |
| mtreinish | maybe it's changed? | 14:49 |
| rcarrillocruz | let me poke | 14:49 |
| fungi | dstufft: not something i feel like arguing about, but it does strike me as strange that since the de facto signing protocol used in free software circles is openpgp, that pypi would choose to use something "different" | 14:49 |
| fungi | well, s/pypi/warehouse/ | 14:49 |
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| mordred | ++ | 14:50 |
| electrocucaracha | hey there, I'm checking a failure in a gate of neutron, it was 61hits in one our... | 14:50 |
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| electrocucaracha | http://logstash.openstack.org/#dashboard/file/logstash.json?query=build_change%3A%5C%22333829%5C%22%20AND%20message%3A%5C%22One%20or%20more%20ports%20have%20an%20IP%20allocation%20from%20this%20subnet%5C%22%20AND%20message%3A%5C%22NeutronError%5C%22 | 14:50 |
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| dstufft | fungi: it's basically that gpg itself doesn't have a useful enough trust model for us to use, because while it could "prove" that yes, I am Donald Stufft, it doesn't have anything in place to say "and I am allowed to sign for pip", so either way we'll end up just using gpg as a "dumb" method of signing and verifying the signature itself, but not for it's trust model. | 14:51 |
| corvus | dstufft: yeah, i also don't really want to start an argument, but if you're at all interested in feedback from this user, i'm far more interested in gpg signatures than something else. this will probably mean projects like openstack will be unable to use pypi as their 'official' distribution channels | 14:51 |
| dstufft | and the actual work of signing/verifying is incredibly easy | 14:51 |
| dstufft | the trust model is what actually matters | 14:51 |
| wznoinsk | anteaya: so it's just ptl/cores add a new member of nova-ci group https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/511,members? | 14:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Move image uploads to tarballs.openstack.org https://review.openstack.org/350061 | 14:52 |
| dstufft | add in the fact that gpg is GPL so we can't bundle it with pip, and it doesn't have a good pure python implementation, and that managing key files is a pain in the ass | 14:52 |
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| fungi | dstufft: i totally get that, though i'm curious what other protocols provide a featureset lacking in openpgp that pypi can leverage to accomplish that | 14:52 |
| wznoinsk | anteaya: reason asking is I couldn't find any place in project-config you have these groups/membership saved but wanted to double check whether your (infra) action is needed here and whether you wait for +2 from PTL | 14:52 |
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| fungi | dstufft: oh, licensing and lack of pure python implementations. got it | 14:53 |
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| rcarrillocruz | mtreinish: looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/1593749 | 14:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1593749 in dbus (Ubuntu) "puppet apply with pip provider gives 403 error" [Undecided,New] | 14:53 |
| fungi | dstufft: basically the same class of issues that drove using toml over yaml | 14:53 |
| mordred | fungi: wait, what? | 14:53 |
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| mordred | fungi: toml exists becaues of _licensing_? | 14:54 |
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| fungi | mordred: no, toml is being used in pip because pyyaml is messy and teh toml library for python was easier to embed, among other reasons | 14:54 |
| mordred | uhm | 14:54 |
| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: why is that filed against dbus? | 14:54 |
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| mordred | I swear, I really am about ot ragequit all of open source | 14:55 |
| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: so it looks we can do 2 things to workaround it, switch to CD for germqtt or pin the version in the policy | 14:55 |
| corvus | dstufft: have you asked the gpg maintainers about your licensing question? because you said 'bundle' and that's a bit different than 'linking'. | 14:55 |
| dstufft | fungi: it'll almost certainly be TUF (https://theupdateframework.github.io/), which, among other things, allows delegating (and even sub delegating) from a root trust (so similar to x509 in that regards, though allowing things like "foobar can only upload windows wheels"), as well as N of M signatures, it also has protections against "mix and match" attacks (e.g. ensure that a consistent state of the repo is being shown, not a new | 14:56 |
| dstufft | package Y and an old package Z showing as the latests), as well as stale attacks (there is a timestamping signature that makes the metadata expire after a certain amount of time) | 14:56 |
| rcarrillocruz | i wonder if the openstack-pip provider hack from crinkle was to circumvent ^ | 14:56 |
| rcarrillocruz | i remember some hack to prevent an issue on the pip provider | 14:56 |
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| mordred | so does this mean that in a future pip I'm going to have to touch toml? | 14:57 |
| fungi | rcarrillocruz: we switched to crinkle's replacement pip provider in a hurry because changes in how pypi was redirecting its xml api caused the pip provider in puppet to cease working | 14:57 |
| fungi | rcarrillocruz: but crinkle's work predated that issue | 14:57 |
| rcarrillocruz | fungi: you remember seeing that paste issue before? | 14:58 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: yes a ptl (and any cores they want to consult with or delegate) add a ci account to their project-ci group | 14:58 |
| fungi | mordred: no, probably pbr will switch from setup.cfg and setup.py to setup.toml or something | 14:58 |
| mordred | fungi: pbr will absolutely not do that | 14:58 |
| dstufft | fungi: it's basically a better system than what Linux has going :) We'll most likely use ed25519 keys, at least for authors because they're small enough that we can derrive them from a passphrase so we can implement it as an upload "password" that just gets KDF'd into a key | 14:58 |
| fungi | er, setup.tml (to make windows users happy) | 14:58 |
| mordred | fungi: I will -2 any patches to introduce toml to pbr | 14:58 |
| dstufft | mordred: the default will still be setup.py, so if you don't have a pyproject.toml file you'll just be stuck using the old setuptools hacks forever | 14:59 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: gerrit groups are maintained via the gerrit interface only, there is nothing in project-config about gerrit group members | 14:59 |
| bkero | but rust | 14:59 |
| wznoinsk | anteaya: thanks for clarifying, wasn't obvious whether infra keeps these in a git repo, it looks like it's not hence it's not infra making the change | 14:59 |
| mordred | dstufft: awesome. I prefer that to playing in tom's world of narcissitic vanity | 14:59 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: correct this is not infra's decision | 14:59 |
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| corvus | it's a bit hard to convey how upsetting something like toml is | 15:00 |
| wznoinsk | it was concerned about 'who does it' rather than 'who decides' but thanks for clarifying | 15:00 |
| rcarrillocruz | mtreinish: you cool if try pinning to 0.10 | 15:00 |
| rcarrillocruz | ? | 15:00 |
| mordred | corvus: +1000 | 15:00 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: well the person who decides does it | 15:00 |
| corvus | it really is likely to drive mordred and other folks away from this area | 15:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Ivan Udovichenko proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add OpenStack Infra internal repositories to APT source lists https://review.openstack.org/350056 | 15:00 |
| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: yeah, we can pin it to 0.1.0 | 15:00 |
| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: that's probably the quicker path forward | 15:00 |
| rcarrillocruz | give me a sec, i'll up a patch | 15:01 |
| dstufft | mordred: It will be objectively worse for people in the way that setup_requires is still objectively worse than not using setup_requires does (except that sometimes you _have_ to), but you won't be forced to do it | 15:01 |
| fungi | dstufft: i need to refresh my recollections of tuf, though i'm not aware of "linux" using anything of the sort? or did you mean some arbitrary gnu/linux distributions? | 15:01 |
| dstufft | fungi: I mean basically every Linux distro just uses gpg signing and calls it done, which tends to still allow different kinds of attacks that TUF protects against-- not like, super dire attacks or anything, but it covers more bases | 15:01 |
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| dstufft | corvus: mordred literally every option we pick is upsetting to someone, including changing anything at all. I am at peace with the fact every decision we make makes someone mad at us :P | 15:02 |
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| fungi | the tuf homepage looks like a list of ecosystems they've tried but not yet succeeded in convincing to implement their protocol. where is it in active use? or is warehouse vying to be the guinea pig? | 15:03 |
| fungi | certainly sounds like an interesting experiment | 15:03 |
| corvus | fungi: the NSF grant seems to be focused on python: http://nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=1345049 | 15:03 |
| bkero | Is the incompatibility worth the PFS? | 15:03 |
| dstufft | fungi: Docker is using it now, and I think Flynn | 15:03 |
| corvus | dstufft: i'm wondering who would get angry at you for using yaml? | 15:03 |
| fungi | corvus: people who hate semantic whitespace | 15:04 |
| dstufft | corvus: people who think YAML is confusing and overly complicated | 15:04 |
| mordred | dstufft: I understand that, having been in similar positions on points. this is just me expressing, for whatever it's worth, that I find toml to be one of the most disgusting perversions hoisted upon computers - right below systemd in my list of garbage | 15:04 |
| fungi | forced meaningful indentation confuses lots of people | 15:04 |
| corvus | dstufft: i'm not angry at you, but you should know that for some folks, toml is basically the embodiment of brogrammer culture, which some of us want no association with in a very strong way. | 15:04 |
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| mordred | +1000 | 15:04 |
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| mordred | I will likely start actively drifting away from python, which makes me sad, since I've been doing it for about 16 years now - but if python is being infected at a fundamental level by toml, then I probably have better things to do with my life | 15:05 |
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| fungi | as i understood it, the real challenge seems to be that python stdlib really only has ini, csv, xml and json parsers for something like this, which would have been worse options. pyyaml seems to be the only thorough python implementation of yaml at this point (ignoring its litany of forks) and is not in the sort of shape where it could be proposed as an inclusion into the python stdlib | 15:07 |
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| dstufft | that was one of the major reasons we went with TOML yes, along with the fact I had no interest in maintaining a pyyaml fork myself | 15:08 |
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| anteaya | I find the direction replusive myself | 15:10 |
| mordred | I MUCH prefer the current ini thing that setup.cfg uses. it's not named after an asshole | 15:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ricardo Carrillo Cruz proposed openstack-infra/puppet-germqtt: Pinning germqtt to 0.10 https://review.openstack.org/350099 | 15:10 |
| dstufft | INI wasn't complex enough to represent everything we wanted it to represent in the future | 15:11 |
| anteaya | I do feel it sends a very strong message about the culture of gender diversity that is supported with this language and community | 15:11 |
| rcarrillocruz | mtreinish: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350099/ | 15:11 |
| anteaya | I feel that pycon has been making great strides forward ensuring women's voices are heard in the python community | 15:11 |
| anteaya | this move undoes that, for me | 15:12 |
| mordred | I understand. like, I understand how/why you got there, it's just that toml is SO BAD on so many levels that I would personally quite literally use ANYTHING else that doesn't have misogyny so baked in to its soul | 15:12 |
| mordred | even if that thing has downsides | 15:12 |
| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: you missed a period in the version number, but I'll fast approve that after the respin | 15:13 |
| anteaya | yes, I too feel that this choice is supportive of mysogyny | 15:13 |
| rcarrillocruz | oh | 15:13 |
| rcarrillocruz | i need another coffee | 15:13 |
| dstufft | We considered that, and reached out to the Cargo and Rust folks about their experiences with that since A) They're better than average on trying to encourage a diverse and safe community and B) They're using TOML already. They had similar concerns to start with they said, and said it has literally never come up with anyone having a problem with it. | 15:14 |
| anteaya | how many women are active in cargo and rust? | 15:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Ricardo Carrillo Cruz proposed openstack-infra/puppet-germqtt: Pinning germqtt to 0.10 https://review.openstack.org/350099 | 15:14 |
| bkero | quite a few, they have a very welcoming community | 15:15 |
| anteaya | they may be trying to encourage a diverse community, but is their community diverse? | 15:15 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i edited on gerrit ui for a new patchset | 15:15 |
| anteaya | bkero: any stats on 'quite a few'? | 15:15 |
| anteaya | also I don't need a crowd to tell me how my gut feels | 15:15 |
| bkero | anteaya: I'll ask my partner :) | 15:15 |
| anteaya | and my gut says no thanks | 15:15 |
| corvus | dstufft: not being part of the rust community, i wouldn't know how to go about telling them that i find it repulsive and is a main reason i lost enthusiasm for hacking in rust, despite thinking the language is the bee's knees. | 15:15 |
| anteaya | corvus: thank you | 15:16 |
| anteaya | survey's rarely tell the whole story | 15:16 |
| anteaya | the folks who disappear in silence don't get counted | 15:16 |
| anteaya | surveys* | 15:16 |
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| mordred | dstufft: yeah. I was/am a rust fan and think that cargo is one of the best package mangers out there | 15:17 |
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| mordred | but toml has put me off of actually joining their community in a significant way | 15:18 |
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| mordred | but I didn't want to be the outsider who showed up and said "ew toml" cause I could't find a way to do that which seemed like the right way | 15:18 |
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| mordred | my plan was to write an optional yaml backend for cargo if I ever got involved enough | 15:18 |
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| anteaya | and you don't get to count the people who you turn away before they even join | 15:18 |
| mordred | so that I could write cargo config in my rust projects in yaml and not toml | 15:18 |
| Zara | TIL I'm missing a lot of backstory about toml | 15:19 |
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| anteaya | Zara: it is in the backscroll | 15:19 |
| dstufft | Well, one of the points made is that if you avoid all of the technology made by problematic people you don't have a useful computer. See for example: Linux. If y'all want it to change, please go to distutils-sig. We have an accepted PEP now for a few months, but pip doesn't implement it yet-- others might have started already though. I don't have enough time to deal with it | 15:20 |
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| mordred | Zara: TOML is "Tom's Own Markup Language" - Tom is Tom from Github. He wrote it because he couldn't figure out YAML - or, more likely keeping in the culture of brogramming, writing something new sounded like more fun than working with the existing efforts | 15:20 |
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| corvus | Zara: this hacker news thread, especially the first comments, is illustrative: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5272634 | 15:20 |
| dstufft | Like, I give exactly zero cares what format we use as long as we can bundle it in pip and it supports the things we need | 15:20 |
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| bkero | anteaya: I know you said you don't like surveys, although I'm not sure how else you're going to be satisfied by numbers. https://blog.rust-lang.org/2016/06/30/State-of-Rust-Survey-2016.html | 15:20 |
| bkero | last graph | 15:21 |
| mordred | dstufft: it bothers me because there already existed an easy to read markup language with a very large adoption rate and we were almost to the point where one could just count on being able to yaml in places | 15:21 |
| anteaya | dstufft: anything not associated with mysogyny is my vote | 15:21 |
| dstufft | mordred: except the library for it sucks. | 15:21 |
| mordred | but instead tom invented his own new thing and introduced meaningless differentiation | 15:21 |
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| anteaya | dstufft: I would hope there are a lot of options there | 15:21 |
| mordred | dstufft: rather than writin ga new format, someone could just write a new parser library | 15:21 |
| corvus | and named it after himself, and wrote a pretty poor spec | 15:21 |
| mordred | work had to do into writing a good toml parser | 15:21 |
| dstufft | (FWIW the spec is no longer super ambigious) | 15:22 |
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| corvus | i bet it's longer now :) | 15:22 |
| Zara | thanks for the background, all. it sounds depressingly familiar. | 15:22 |
| mordred | the work that was wasted doing that could have been spent improving the existing world | 15:22 |
| dstufft | mordred: yea, but someone already did the work to write an acceptable TOML parser | 15:22 |
| anteaya | bkero: I didn't say I didn't like surveys, I said they don't tell the whole picture | 15:22 |
| mordred | dstufft: I mean the invention of toml in the first place | 15:22 |
| krotscheck | AJaeger: I've been trying to figure out which of the docs jobs you're referring to vis-a-vis naming. What'd be the distinction between a draft job and a publish job? | 15:22 |
| mordred | that led to people writing new toml parsers rather than fixing existing yaml parsers | 15:22 |
| mordred | which is a net loss for the world | 15:22 |
| fungi | i have a friend who's hellbent on writing a pure python yaml library from scratch that isn't utter spaghetti, but i doubt he'll have it ready any time soon (though he would probably be happy to contribute to a similar effort) | 15:22 |
| dstufft | Ok sure maybe, but it's OSS, you don't get to pick what people find interesting to work on | 15:22 |
| anteaya | bkero: 1.6% women, am I reading that correctly? | 15:23 |
| mordred | no, I don't | 15:23 |
| bkero | anteaya: Ah, yeah. That's fair. It's just a certain lens that misses some facets. | 15:23 |
| mordred | but I do get to choose what I work on | 15:23 |
| dstufft | maybe those same people would have contributed to a YAML library, maybe they would have found it boring | 15:23 |
| mordred | and I choose to not work on toml or with tom | 15:23 |
| mordred | because his world view on all of this is, I think, toxic, and contrary to why I do free software in the first place | 15:23 |
| mordred | so if his world is the new world order | 15:23 |
| mordred | that's fine | 15:23 |
| bkero | anteaya: If that's all you get out of that graph, I'm not sure I'll be able to make a point. | 15:23 |
| mordred | but I do not have to play in it | 15:24 |
| dstufft | but the fact remains, we don't have a library that was acceptable, at least that nobody found during the discussion. | 15:24 |
| anteaya | bkero: I wouldn't be supportive of a comment that says a project of which 1.6% is women is succeeding at diversity | 15:24 |
| anteaya | bkero: what should I be seeing? | 15:24 |
| dstufft | I mean, RMS is a gross human being, but we're all still using GPL'd shit | 15:24 |
| anteaya | bkero: that is why I asked, what are you seeing that I am missing | 15:24 |
| bkero | anteaya: I'm more mentioning the aggregate 20% of contributors in under-represented demographics. | 15:24 |
| anteaya | can we have this discussion minus the swearing please? | 15:25 |
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| mordred | dstufft: RMS's _efforts_ in the world were to increase freedom. tom's are to increase VC-controlled lockin-as-a-service | 15:25 |
| mordred | anyhow | 15:25 |
| mordred | I'm sorry for being so negative right now - I do not believe we're likely to get anywhere by continuing to beat this horse | 15:25 |
| * fungi doesn't find rms or gpl even remotely "gross" | 15:25 | |
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| anteaya | bkero: sure but my operating definition of mysogyny is anti-women, not anti-disabled or anti-agist | 15:26 |
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| corvus | dstufft: for all his faults, rms is not narcissistic in the way that tom is; somehow in namining it after himself, tom has made the use of toml invoke his personage. | 15:26 |
| mordred | I understadn the choices that have been made and the reasons. I disagree because my personal values are different, but I cannot expect that my personal values are everyone else's | 15:26 |
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| odyssey4me | fungi do you have any thoughts on when you'll get that bindep release done? | 15:26 |
| dstufft | fungi: well, he's stated he thinks "voluntary" pedophilia is fine, that's pretty gross to me. | 15:26 |
| * fungi is probably only representative of the "freetard" minority though and lacks insight into the big picture of how open source is going to make us all wealthy industrialists | 15:26 | |
| rcarrillocruz | mtreinish: going to walk the dogs | 15:27 |
| rcarrillocruz | i hardcoded the fix for ssh on the auth key on firehose | 15:27 |
| odyssey4me | fungi bear in mind that AJaeger suggested that perhaps https://review.openstack.org/345792 should be included | 15:27 |
| rcarrillocruz | cos wel... ansible could not deliver it since the box was not reachable | 15:27 |
| rcarrillocruz | so it should be fine to pull the pin once it merges | 15:27 |
| rcarrillocruz | brb in 15min | 15:27 |
| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: ok, heh I doubt it'll be through the check queue by the time you get back | 15:27 |
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| rcarrillocruz | lol | 15:27 |
| anteaya | dstufft: can we change the topic of conversation before I loss the rest of my day to post tramatic stress disorder symptoms, please? | 15:27 |
| rcarrillocruz | yeah, | 15:28 |
| anteaya | lose* | 15:28 |
| fungi | odyssey4me: right, i'm going through open bindep changes just to be sure we've not missed anything. also taking the artifact signing machinery for a spin with this release so making sure a change to turn on that job for bindep got through | 15:28 |
| anteaya | dstufft: if you are open to what ever tool will get the work done, how do we get a tool that gets the work done, sans emotional baggage? | 15:28 |
| bkero | anteaya: you're right, that is the definition, but we're looking at the statistics and judging if they have an influence on the culture of a programming language. | 15:29 |
| anteaya | your looking at it that way | 15:29 |
| anteaya | I'm looking at how many women are in that community | 15:29 |
| anteaya | and via that graph I can conclude that at least 1.6% of women in the communtity took that survey at that time | 15:29 |
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| anteaya | or 1.6% of the communtity that took that survey said they are women | 15:30 |
| anteaya | my understanding that open source as a whole has about 10% women | 15:30 |
| anteaya | which is low but is my operating percentage | 15:30 |
| anteaya | so compared to 10% across open source 1.6% is less than that | 15:31 |
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| bkero | Where did the 10% number come from? | 15:31 |
| anteaya | feel free to update my understandings of percentages | 15:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Rob Cresswell proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add nv test job for Django 1.10 in Django OS Auth https://review.openstack.org/350113 | 15:31 |
| bkero | and what is 'open source'? | 15:31 |
| anteaya | well 10% is where openstck sits | 15:31 |
| anteaya | I'll let you define that for yourself | 15:31 |
| bkero | lol | 15:31 |
| bkero | Woo woo condescension! | 15:32 |
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| anteaya | I beg your pardon? | 15:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Add a 'meta' passthrough parameter for glance images https://review.openstack.org/350114 | 15:32 |
| dstufft | Anyways, If y'all want it to change, go to distutils-sig and raise your concerns, that's where this was decided via PEP 518 (https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0518/). I know pip hasn't implemented it yet, I don't know about anyone else. I don't have the time to deal with it. I'm sorry if you feel that our efforts make you no longer want to use Python. | 15:32 |
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| anteaya | dstanek: thanks for your help here | 15:33 |
| bkero | 'Feel free to update my understandings of percentages' sounds like you're establishing a familiarity for me to be correcting you. | 15:33 |
| anteaya | do you have statistics of percentages of women in other open source projects? | 15:34 |
| anteaya | if you do, you are welcome to share them and I will look at them | 15:34 |
| anteaya | is what I meant | 15:34 |
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| fungi | i am pretty certain the "statistic" is overwhelmingly and consistently low everywhere, and all communities (ours included) could do a better job of encouraging gender diversity than is unfortunately considered "normal" right now | 15:36 |
| anteaya | fungi: I will agree with that | 15:37 |
| odyssey4me | ok, thanks fungi | 15:37 |
| fungi | quibbling over a few percent in one community or another merely helps blind people to the fact that it's a low number everywhere | 15:37 |
| anteaya | as I shared at summit with you in a private conversation, I believe that a group needs to be about 33% of a group in order to feel that it is included | 15:37 |
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| anteaya | we got pretty close to that at the last infra mid-cycle with 25% | 15:38 |
| anteaya | which felt really good | 15:38 |
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| anteaya | it is a low number everywhere, that is true | 15:40 |
| Zara | fwiw, it's reassuring seeing that members of infra care about this (both 'women in software' and 'work with other people and don't just use your influence to push your pet projects on everyone') | 15:41 |
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| anteaya | if anyone knows what the subject of the distutils-sig thread is, I'm curious | 15:42 |
| fungi | also comparing across communities has a tendency to turn it into a competition rather than a collaboration, and i think this is something different software communities need to come together over | 15:42 |
| anteaya | fungi: no argument from me | 15:42 |
| fungi | anteaya: i'll dig it up for you, but it was months ago. i mentioned it in here at the time but it didn't seem to raise anyone's ire much | 15:42 |
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| anteaya | fungi: thank you | 15:43 |
| anteaya | it is possible that I may have missed your initial mention of it | 15:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Csaba Henk proposed openstack-infra/project-config: templatize Manila GlusterFS jobs https://review.openstack.org/350120 | 15:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Add a 'meta' passthrough parameter for glance images https://review.openstack.org/350114 | 15:45 |
| fungi | anteaya: according to the channel logs i mentioned it in here on 2016-05-11 at 01:14:23 and linked to https://mail.python.org/pipermail/distutils-sig/2016-May/028889.html | 15:45 |
| anteaya | thank you for digging that up | 15:46 |
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| anteaya | and sorry for not paying attention when you mentioned it the first time | 15:47 |
| fungi | full disclosure: we've got a pretty violent thunderstorm overhead right now, so i may drop offline for a bit | 15:47 |
| fungi | worst case i'll come back on at 19:00 utc via wireless modem to chair the weekly meeting | 15:48 |
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| Zara | :( | 15:48 |
| anteaya | fungi: thanks for the heads up, keep your electronics safe | 15:49 |
| anteaya | a quick skim of the names of folks participating on that thread don't show me any women voicing an opinion | 15:49 |
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| anteaya | unless some have and this is not the whole thread | 15:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Csaba Henk proposed openstack-infra/project-config: templatize Manila GlusterFS jobs https://review.openstack.org/350120 | 15:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Install Ceph Hammer and/or Jewel from CentOS Storage SIG repos https://review.openstack.org/340504 | 15:53 |
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| Shrews | rcarrillocruz: know what this error is about? http://logs.openstack.org/24/350024/1/check/gate-shade-dsvm-functional-nova/fe8727c/console.html#_2016-08-02_14_51_48_101643 | 15:59 |
| Shrews | rcarrillocruz: i'm assuming/hoping it's ephemeral and just works next time | 15:59 |
| rcarrillocruz | huh | 15:59 |
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| rcarrillocruz | yeah, i'll check later | 15:59 |
| rcarrillocruz | was about to leave for a bit till meeting time | 16:00 |
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| rcarrillocruz | Shrews: if recheck gives it again, give me a nudge | 16:00 |
| rcarrillocruz | i'll debug | 16:00 |
| Shrews | rcarrillocruz: hrm, same error on the neutron job | 16:00 |
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| rcarrillocruz | k, will look later, maybe some change on designate client | 16:01 |
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| mordred | mugsie: ^^ anything change recently with designateclient? | 16:02 |
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| mugsie | mordred: we did a release recently | 16:02 |
| mordred | mugsie: k. something in our gate related to designate is now behaving differently | 16:03 |
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| mugsie | but there should not be a change there .... let me look in a bit (stuck in a meeting) | 16:03 |
| mordred | mugsie: it's possible that it's a bug on our side, but it's also possible that we're a canary for some real problem that snuck in | 16:03 |
| mordred | mugsie: thanks! no rush - mostly wanted to ping you as a heads up in case it's option 2 | 16:04 |
| anteaya | fungi: my patch I agreed to submit at last meeting, openstackgerrit didn't appear to pick it up: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350134/1 | 16:04 |
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| mugsie | mordred: thanks - it could easily be our end | 16:04 |
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| zaro | morning | 16:04 |
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| anteaya | morning zaro | 16:09 |
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| fungi | anteaya: thanks! | 16:17 |
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| anteaya | fungi: it wasn't an action item so I didn't put it on the agenda | 16:17 |
| anteaya | fungi: what further action if any would you like me to take?> | 16:18 |
| fungi | no worries. i'll just approve it since it was agreed to in meeting | 16:18 |
| AJaeger | krotscheck: we name the jobs for check/gate queue "gate-{name}-docs" and the publish ones that run in post/release queue just "{name}-docs". | 16:18 |
| anteaya | fungi: awesome thank you | 16:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Move image uploads to tarballs.openstack.org https://review.openstack.org/350061 | 16:19 |
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| phschwartz | What dib element is used to create the jenkins sudoer permissions for nodepool nodes? | 16:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add tarball publisher to tripleo-ci for images https://review.openstack.org/350153 | 16:22 |
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| fungi | phschwartz: for the moment it's still done by puppet, from this point of entry in our dib elements: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/nodepool/elements/puppet/bin/prepare-node | 16:23 |
| krotscheck | AJaeger: How does that play with fungi's desire to remove the mostly-useless "gate" prefix? | 16:24 |
| AJaeger | krotscheck: I suggest to do that change at once and not have different names floating around if we can avoid it... | 16:25 |
| AJaeger | So, if you're willing to rename the job everywhere... | 16:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Run basic tests in check and gate https://review.openstack.org/341902 | 16:26 |
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| krotscheck | AJaeger: I seeee... | 16:27 |
| krotscheck | Alrightey | 16:27 |
| krotscheck | Well, all that is beside the point today | 16:27 |
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| pabelanger | AJaeger: have a minute to look at 350153? I need to confirm if the scp publisher will fail if nothing exists in images folder. I think it will not. | 16:27 |
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| AJaeger | pabelanger: we have the test-logs publisher that doesn't fail either, see jenkins/jobs/macros.yaml | 16:28 |
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| pabelanger | AJaeger: Yup, that's what I used as the base | 16:28 |
| AJaeger | So, should be fine | 16:28 |
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| pabelanger | AJaeger: ya, I am not sure if line 69 is needed | 16:28 |
| AJaeger | pabelanger: I think it's not needed - feel free to try first without | 16:29 |
| pabelanger | AJaeger: ack | 16:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Setup constraints for release https://review.openstack.org/349627 | 16:30 |
| AJaeger | fungi, now tested locally - it needed an extra "cd" ^ | 16:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add tarball publisher to tripleo-ci for images https://review.openstack.org/350153 | 16:32 |
| fungi | krot_sickleave: i agree with AJaeger, consistency for now is good, then when/if we rename jobs to be able to get rid of the gate- prefix that happens en masse. also we've already discussed the implication on docs jobs... basically nova-docs also isn't clear that it publishes documentation so nova-docs would probably become something like nova-publish-docs (while gate-nova-docs could become | 16:32 |
| fungi | nova-validate-docs or something) | 16:32 |
| fungi | AJaeger: great! | 16:32 |
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| smcginnis | Anyone here able to help me with creating branches off of stable? | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | For Cinder we would like to have branches off of the official stable branches solely for driver updates. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | We want to have slightly more open, and longer lived, branches that we allow driver bug backports. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | So something like stable/mitaka-drivers off of stable/mitaka. | 16:34 |
| AJaeger | fungi, first testing was germqtt - now testing a stable/liberty release of ansible | 16:34 |
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| smcginnis | We found a lot (or at least a good portion) of the folks wanting to move drivers out of tree was due to the difficulties getting bug fixes to customers. | 16:35 |
| fungi | smcginnis: creating branches is easy. i think integration testing is where this becomes complicated | 16:36 |
| fungi | smcginnis: or are you proposing these branches have no testing at all? (something we've resisted in the past for qa reasons) | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Well, that's a good point. | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Basically yes to start with. | 16:37 |
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| smcginnis | fungi: But if it's possible to easily have at least dsvm-full run on them, that would certainly be better than nothing. | 16:37 |
| anteaya | a lot of our jobs expect a certain naming schema for branches | 16:37 |
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| pleia2 | fungi: btw, got my meeting action item done, but I won't be at the meeting because time zone | 16:37 |
| pleia2 | so, have a lovely meeting :) | 16:37 |
| anteaya | pleia2: hey how are you doing? | 16:37 |
| pabelanger | mtreinish: rcarrillocruz: looks like firehose01.o.o has the latest ssh fixes | 16:37 |
| fungi | smcginnis: right now zuul-cloner (and by extension devstack-gate) make assumptions about trying to pick matching branches across projects involved in setting up for an integration test | 16:37 |
| anteaya | pleia2: when do you speak? | 16:38 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: exhausted, jet lag is hitting me particularly hard on this trip | 16:38 |
| anteaya | pleia2: :( | 16:38 |
| fungi | pleia2: thanks! and yeah, i have your artifact bookmarked already | 16:38 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: Thursday morning | 16:38 |
| rcarrillocruz | It has | 16:38 |
| pleia2 | fungi: great :) | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | fungi, anteaya: Would this be better to write up in a ML post? Or good enough to discuss here? | 16:38 |
| pabelanger | AJaeger: updated now, thanks | 16:38 |
| anteaya | pleia2: well you have some time then, I hope you figure out how to address the lag and have some fun | 16:38 |
| mordred | pleia2: jet lag has been getting worse and worse for me over time - here's hoping this isn't the start of a trend for you | 16:38 |
| rcarrillocruz | There are issues with germqtt | 16:38 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: thanks | 16:38 |
| anteaya | smcginnis: we can continue here for a bit | 16:38 |
| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: well really puppet pip :) | 16:38 |
| rcarrillocruz | Yeah | 16:39 |
| fungi | smcginnis: we can try to brainstorm solutions in here, though it probably need to graduate to an ml discussion once it's refined a little | 16:39 |
| anteaya | smcginnis: I share fungi's concerns about a testing plan | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | anteaya: OK, good. I prefer the high bandwidth. :) | 16:39 |
| anteaya | so what is the problem you are trying to fix? | 16:39 |
| pleia2 | mordred: I did much better in Singapore earlier this year, I think I'm just generally tired lately | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | Our main need is an official place for distros like Red Hat, etc. to pull driver updates from. | 16:39 |
| mordred | pleia2: ++ | 16:40 |
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| anteaya | what is happening currently? | 16:40 |
| fungi | smcginnis: oh, that's what our stable branches are supposed to be | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | Right now a lot of vendors have their own Cinder forks on github with driver updates that couldn't be backports. | 16:40 |
| mtreinish | pleia2: it was probably the heat and all the walking we did in singapore :) | 16:40 |
| fungi | smcginnis: would a stable branch policy that driver updates are fair game as backports make more sense? | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Yeah, but we want driver bug fixes to be less restrictive and stick around longer. | 16:40 |
| pleia2 | mtreinish: haha, could be | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | fungi: If we can do that, I believe that would address the need. | 16:40 |
| anteaya | smcginnis: sounds like it would be a good first direction to attempt | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | I mainly want to get away from all these forks all over the place just to get patches to customers. | 16:41 |
| fungi | smcginnis: just trying to make sure we don't use complex technological solutions as an excuse to avoid correcting shortcomings in policies | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | And give distros a place where they can pick up these fixes. | 16:41 |
| anteaya | better than trying to figure out the spagehtti that would become the testing | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | fungi: +1 | 16:41 |
| fungi | smcginnis: so that would be a good thing to rule out first, and is probably prime for an ml thread | 16:41 |
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| smcginnis | fungi: What would we need to do to allow that. Just state for Cinder that we are going to accept driver bug fixes past the security only phase? | 16:42 |
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| fungi | smcginnis: right. by way of argument, stable branch policy is written to make things as convenient as possible for distro package maintainers to be able to pick up fixes without getting polluted by other unrelated updates and feature additions | 16:43 |
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| fungi | smcginnis: so if there are a number of distros that find our current stable branch policy is getting in the way by not allowing driver backports that they want, then i think it's worth approaching as an exception (probably not a cinder-specific exception, but a general exception that projects are allowed to backport updated in-tree drivers to stable branches) | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | The other caveat is - most distros lag quite a bit. So we've already gotten rid of stable/kilo, but we were thinking we would keep these branches around longer since some distros haven't moved forward yet. | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | Though that seems to be getting better. | 16:44 |
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| fungi | our eol schedule for stable branches is flexible, and mostly driven by the lack of help from distros to keep those branches testable | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | fungi: I will write something up and propose that to the ML. ("a general exception that projects are allowed to backport updated in-tree drivers to stable branches") | 16:45 |
| anteaya | smcginnis: if folks show up to keep testing on those branches working, then there would be consideration for keeping the branches longer | 16:45 |
| anteaya | smcginnis: but, so far noone has shown up to do the maintenance | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | There was an interesting discussion on that in Austin. | 16:46 |
| fungi | smcginnis: and i think the supposition that this is desired by stable distros is key. our stable branches exist primarily to serve them | 16:46 |
| anteaya | I'm not sure if I'm remembering the Austin one or the session from other summits | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | fungi, anteaya: OK, I'll write something up. Thanks for the advice and being a sounding board. | 16:46 |
| anteaya | smcginnis: thanks for bringing up the topic | 16:47 |
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| smcginnis | anteaya: The main thing I took away from the one in Austin was a lot of distros had asked for and offered support for longer lived stable branches, but when it was attempted things promptly fell off the tracks. | 16:47 |
| fungi | yep, the wheels fall off that train very easily | 16:48 |
| anteaya | smcginnis: you got the major point then | 16:49 |
| anteaya | that seems to be the pattern every time this is discussed at summit, which I think is ever summit | 16:49 |
| fungi | using constraints to pin dependencies in testing seems to be extending the lifespans of some of our newer stable branches | 16:49 |
| anteaya | oh good | 16:50 |
| anteaya | I'm glad that work has a beneficial result | 16:50 |
| fungi | since it serves as a way to "freeze the world" at release time and we're no longer on the treadmill of keeping stable branch software working with newer versions of its dependencies that appear after release | 16:50 |
| anteaya | I'm glad it is proving effective | 16:50 |
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| AJaeger | fungi, now tested on three releases and I'm happy ^ | 16:52 |
| AJaeger | fungi, corvus, I appreciate review whether this can be used in all pipelines, please ^. | 16:52 |
| AJaeger | will mark it as WIP to give some time - I don't expect reviews today... | 16:53 |
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| jroll | speaking of constraints, I'm getting an odd error adding them to ironicclient and a couple other libraries: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318672/ http://logs.openstack.org/72/318672/3/check/gate-python-ironicclient-python27-ubuntu-xenial/6ab8099/console.html#_2016-08-02_01_17_50_528980 | 17:01 |
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| jroll | "Could not satisfy constraints for 'python-ironicclient': installation from path or url cannot be constrained to a version" | 17:01 |
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| jroll | has anyone seen something like that before? | 17:01 |
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| fungi | jroll: that happens if you're trying to test a project installed from source rather than from pypi | 17:03 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: ^ is that maybe along the lines you were thinking of? | 17:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Added documentation draft jobs for nodejs-based projects https://review.openstack.org/346130 | 17:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Added documentation publish jobs for the JavaScript SDK https://review.openstack.org/346131 | 17:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Created DSVM Job for NPM Projects https://review.openstack.org/348056 | 17:03 |
| jroll | fungi: indeed - so are libraries not meant to use constraints for testing? | 17:03 |
| fungi | jroll: the only sane way we've dealt with that is to sed the offending source-installed package out of the constraints list first, since pip can't reconcile a request for a specific version of a package from the fact that it's got a nonconforming version already being installed from source | 17:04 |
| Zara | (I keep reading the title of the 'run a survey service' story as 'runaway service'. that'd be an odd bug.) | 17:04 |
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| jroll | fungi: heh, that's fun... | 17:04 |
| * jroll looks for prior art | 17:04 | |
| fungi | Zara: we get runaway services all the time. hopefully the survey service won't be one of those | 17:04 |
| fungi | jroll: i'll help you look | 17:04 |
| Zara | :) | 17:05 |
| jroll | fungi: I see https://github.com/openstack/python-glanceclient/commit/10ad2886e1c970cd56b59e5adc6cefe1a206422d | 17:06 |
| jroll | look right? | 17:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Sagi Shnaidman proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: WIP: DONT MERGE TESTING https://review.openstack.org/316436 | 17:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Created DSVM Job for NPM Projects https://review.openstack.org/348056 | 17:06 |
| Zara | (I liked it as a title since the misread version didn't name a specific service, so it seemed to go, 'a service has run away. we don't know which') | 17:06 |
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| fungi | jroll: i don't know i'd want to foist a tools/tox_install.sh on anybody. still reviewing what that script does as a workaround | 17:08 |
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| jroll | fungi: yeah, that's my thought too | 17:08 |
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| AJaeger | jroll, fungi: That looks similar to what I've seen in a few other client libraries as well | 17:08 |
| fungi | harlowja: ^ any perspective on what oslo libs are doing to integrate constraints pinning (if anything?) | 17:09 |
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| fungi | i poked around in some oslo repos but didn't stumble across an example, so maybe nothing? | 17:09 |
| jroll | yeah, also don't see anything | 17:10 |
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| * jroll will just have a sad and do this, I think | 17:12 | |
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| fungi | jroll: i can't help feeling there's a better way, but at the moment my braincells are in too many unrelated states to collaborate on suggesting one | 17:13 |
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| jroll | fungi: ditto | 17:14 |
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| jroll | I'll try to think about it more but I don't know all the intracacies (sp) this covers | 17:14 |
| fungi | lifeless: ^ if you're around at all. curious if you ever considered this (not so) corner case in pip's constraints implementation | 17:14 |
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| fungi | i worry we're getting some unsettling callouts to shell script wrappers to work around pip -c's behavior with regard to installs from source of something mentioned in a constraints list | 17:16 |
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| fungi | which might be easy to solve with a patch to pip, but i haven't dug into the implementation | 17:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Try out artifact signing job for bindep releases https://review.openstack.org/350052 | 17:20 |
| fungi | okay, now that's in, as is the last bindep patch i approved, i should be able to tag shortly | 17:21 |
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| fungi | the list of changes is all minor (cosmetic, testing-related cleanup, and one bug fix) so should be suitable to make 2.0.1 | 17:22 |
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| anteaya | congratulations | 17:23 |
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| AJaeger | team, there's a change to add docs jobs for npm jobs. This runs "sudo pip install sphinx" which looks odd to me - I'd like your advise on whether this is fine: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346130/8/jenkins/jobs/macros.yaml | 17:24 |
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| * anteaya looks | 17:26 | |
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| AJaeger | for a python project I would -1 it directly - not sure what we want to enforce for a javascript one... | 17:26 |
| fungi | AJaeger: as long as it runs on single-use nodes and happens before revoke-sudo, this seems like a relatively reasonable reaction to building documentation for a non-python-based project | 17:27 |
| fungi | AJaeger: though i'd encourage considering just using a distro package of sphinx instead in that situation | 17:27 |
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| fungi | seems odd to tell the javascript community that to build their documentation they need to install a package with some other software community's package installer. distro packages are usually a convenient middle groung | 17:28 |
| fungi | ground | 17:28 |
| AJaeger | fungi, that opens the second can of worms: krot_sickleave does not like the name other-requirements for installation ;( | 17:29 |
| AJaeger | So, they're not using bindep... | 17:29 |
| harlowja | fungi unsure, let me poke around | 17:29 |
| harlowja | double poke around | 17:29 |
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| fungi | AJaeger: right, i expect we will be unable to convince him on the bindep front until we implement support for additional default filenames | 17:30 |
| anteaya | AJaeger: I don't see any other builders that insall sphinx that they could use | 17:30 |
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| fungi | i think we had a story open for bindep on that | 17:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: WIP - Implement undercloud upgrade job - Mitaka -> Newton https://review.openstack.org/346995 | 17:32 |
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| * AJaeger can't find any | 17:32 | |
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| AJaeger | fungi, adding another default name should be easy - but we should agree on the behaviour first... | 17:32 |
| anteaya | I can't find any stories filed against bindep | 17:33 |
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| fungi | AJaeger: yeah, i'll have to dig into my irc logs to see what we came up with. lifeless seemed not to mind the idea, and as long as we don't open the floodgates to anybody being able to propose alternate filenames until we're overrun i think having _one_ alternate is fine | 17:33 |
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| * AJaeger digs now as well... | 17:35 | |
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| fungi | thanks. i'm not actually digging right now as my dance card is pretty full | 17:36 |
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| zaro | fungi: if your interested, here's a preview of 'needed-by' on gerrit UI. http://138.68.20.113:8080/#/c/6/ | 17:36 |
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| AJaeger | fungi, anteaya , http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra/%23openstack-infra.2016-06-28.log.html#t2016-06-28T15:02:15 | 17:38 |
| zaro | it makes it easy to see zuul cycles | 17:38 |
| AJaeger | zaro: nice! | 17:38 |
| fungi | zaro: yep, though seems inconsistent with how recent gerrit has moved git dependencies over into the related changes box | 17:38 |
| anteaya | zaro: so in the commit message I see two depends-on and a change id, and in the area below the commit message I see needed-by with a copy to clipboard icon beside it | 17:38 |
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| fungi | it's almost like this is reintroducing the old dependencies listing in the webui, except to represent a different kind of relationship | 17:39 |
| fungi | which could get confusing | 17:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Ben Nemec proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Delete ping test environment in periodic jobs https://review.openstack.org/346134 | 17:39 |
| fungi | zaro: regardless, it's certainly neat | 17:39 |
| zaro | anteaya: yup, needed-by is the new part | 17:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Add a 'meta' passthrough parameter for glance images https://review.openstack.org/350114 | 17:40 |
| zaro | depends-on and needed-by with same id means it's a zuul dependency cycle. that's on purpose for that test | 17:41 |
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| zaro | fungi: yeah, i agree with you about the inconsistency but gerrit doens't have extension point to add new tab to the related list. that would probably make more sense? | 17:42 |
| zaro | i guess i may need to add that extension point to gerrit core. | 17:43 |
| anteaya | AJaeger: thank you for that link, that makes more sense to me now | 17:43 |
| fungi | zaro: yeah, that's at least where i would expect users of the new change screen to look for dependencies, so integrating it there seems like it would make more sense | 17:44 |
| fungi | otherwise you're still looking for dependencies in two different parts of the ui | 17:44 |
| anteaya | and while I agree with krot_sickleave that the name doesn't have as much context outside other python things, I also agree with fungi that a lot of time could be spent finding a new name to not get consensous | 17:44 |
| fungi | i'd be fine with just picking something as long as it's something krot_sickleave will agree to as making sense in a javascript (or a more generally non-python) context | 17:45 |
| krot_sickleave | ".<toolname>rc". Like .bashrc, .profilerc, .mailrc, .pantsrc | 17:46 |
| krot_sickleave | So, .bindeprc | 17:46 |
| fungi | my lack of desire to waste time bikeshedding on a name doesn't mean i'm opposed to picking one, i'm just more likely to pick one with minimal discussion | 17:46 |
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| fungi | and .bindeprc is sensemaking in my traditional unixy brain | 17:46 |
| krot_sickleave | That's the convention that JS has gone with. .eslintrc, .npmrc, etc | 17:47 |
| AJaeger | fungi, so how should the behaviour be? Read .bindeprc if it exists and read other-requirements.txt if it exists? Or only one? | 17:47 |
| AJaeger | And we have two options to do it - implement in bindep, or in our install-distro wrapper... | 17:48 |
| fungi | AJaeger: probably only read .bindeprc if other-requirements.txt isn't present? the former is harder to spot than the latter and so could cause confusion if people were trying to figure out why their other-requirements.txt addition wasn't being used | 17:48 |
| AJaeger | We could write in install-distro wrapper the if -e ... | 17:48 |
| fungi | speaking of bindep, zuul has updated it's config so i'm going to tag 2.0.1 nowish | 17:50 |
| krot_sickleave | Does it have a .zuulrc? ;) | 17:50 |
| * AJaeger does a proof of concept for bindep | 17:50 | |
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| jeblair | .config/bindep is an option too, to help address the git-root-dotfile bloat | 17:55 |
| fungi | i have a feeling our tags-only docs job getting priority in the release pipeline will race with recently approved changes' post jobs stuck near the end of the 12 hour backlog | 17:55 |
| fungi | jeblair: krot_sickleave: oh, right, .config/stuff is the new .stuff | 17:55 |
| jeblair | zaro: is it available in the api? | 17:56 |
| jeblair | zaro: (i don't see it in /changes/<foo>/detail or changes/<foo>/revisions/<commit>/related) | 17:56 |
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| zaro | jeblair: no new api was needed to display that info so i didn't create any. | 17:58 |
| jeblair | zaro: how does the webui obtain it for display? | 17:58 |
| Shrews | rcarrillocruz: yeah, designate tests still failing for us. looks like we expect the 'record' attribute to not be empty after a recordsets.update(), but it is now for some reason (cc: mugsie) | 17:58 |
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| zaro | jeblair: the query to get needed-by is "message:<change id>+NOT+change:<change id>" | 17:59 |
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| jeblair | zaro: oh, so you're just having the webui make that call in the background? | 18:00 |
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| persia | For those performing implementation, ".config/stuff" is spelled "$XDG_CONFIG_HOME/stuff" according to https://specifications.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/latest/ar01s03.html | 18:00 |
| zaro | jeblair: yes, web ui is calling rest endpoint to get data then display it on screen. | 18:00 |
| jeblair | persia: this is in the context of a git repo | 18:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/bindep: Add .bindeprc as additional filename https://review.openstack.org/350184 | 18:01 |
| AJaeger | fungi, anteaya, krot_sickleave: ^ | 18:01 |
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| persia | jeblair: Hrm. I still think the spelling of ".config" should be respected, and now think .config/stuff isn't right for git dirs. Thanks for helping me be confused about this, rather than blindly applying (incorrect) former knowledge :) | 18:02 |
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| anteaya | AJaeger: if krot_sickleave is happy, I'm happy | 18:02 |
| anteaya | AJaeger: the workflow looks reasonable to me | 18:03 |
| EmilienM | pabelanger: http://mirror.dfw.rax.openstack.org/centos/7/storage/x86_64/ won't work for us | 18:03 |
| EmilienM | we would like Jewel (current LTS) | 18:03 |
| zaro | jeblair: although i might make sense to create a seperate REST endpoint for it. adding something like an zuul dependency cycle indicator would be difficult without a api to help out. | 18:03 |
| jeblair | persia: okay. there is a not insignificant number of people that would just like all the little tool config files (requirements, travis, docker, shippable, gitreview, etc....) that want to be in their repository's root to just be in a subdirectory. | 18:04 |
| mugsie | Shrews: rcarrillocruz this is tested against designate master? | 18:04 |
| pabelanger | EmilienM: right, that is for stable branches I think | 18:04 |
| persia | Yes, that makes sense. I don't know the right answer, and don't know that I will know it until some practice is developed. I am delighted at new and exciting areas of nomenclature contention, and will watch the consensus with interest. | 18:05 |
| Shrews | mugsie: rcarrillocruz: i think so... https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/09eb4984ce5094d050f5919039e9036c523390e7/jenkins/jobs/shade.yaml#L20 | 18:06 |
| anteaya | AJaeger: I also think jeblair has a good point regarding .config/file | 18:06 |
| mugsie | i think a regression may have slipped in to our API | 18:06 |
| fungi | success! we have signed bindep uploads on tarballs.o.o: http://paste.openstack.org/show/545708/ | 18:06 |
| mugsie | I know the commit, I am going to do a revert | 18:06 |
| anteaya | fungi: congratulations | 18:07 |
| AJaeger | signed? Woot! | 18:07 |
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| fungi | though i'm noticing we haven't switched bindep to universal wheels yet. patch on the way for that now | 18:07 |
| mugsie | Shrews: this only started this morning right? | 18:07 |
| Shrews | mugsie: first i noticed it, yes | 18:07 |
| fungi | odyssey4me: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/bindep has 2.0.1 as of a few minutes ago. should appear in the next set of worker images we build (tomorrow) | 18:08 |
| fungi | assuming image updates don't break for some reason | 18:08 |
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| AJaeger | anteaya: I can change to .config/bindep but would like to see more consensus here on that one... | 18:10 |
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| zaro | jeblair: if your interested in reviewing i've also got the latest incarnation of verify-status plugin on that gerrit server as well. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gerrit-verify-status-plugin | 18:12 |
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| anteaya | AJaeger: fair enough, I will +1 a .config/bindep but won't block if that is not the name | 18:13 |
| jeblair | i am seriously considering proposing .config/zuul.yaml for zuulv3. i would be in favor of gitreview supporting .config/.gitreview, and would support the same for bindep. i am in favor of supporting one well-known filename, and two in the case of a transition (eg .gitreview -> .config/gitreview) | 18:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack-infra/project-config: update tag-release git command to fall back to master https://review.openstack.org/350214 | 18:14 |
| anteaya | jeblair: that makes sense to me | 18:14 |
| sshnaidm | jeblair, hi, I have a question about gear, we have done a few changes there recently, when could it be released with them? Do you have regular release or any other process of it..? | 18:14 |
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| jeblair | i'm also certainly open to the argument that one of the goals of bindep is to make the binary dependencies obvious to end users, and so therefore should *not* be in .config. | 18:14 |
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| fungi | sshnaidm: in reference to your question on the infra mailing list? | 18:15 |
| fungi | no, that was probably someone else's | 18:15 |
| * AJaeger is not seeing useage of .config anywhere in openstack and therefore does not like to have bindep the only project ... | 18:15 | |
| jeblair | AJaeger: i can't fault that logic. :) | 18:15 |
| sshnaidm | fungi, no, no, it's something different | 18:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: zuul/tripleo: move undercloud job to check pipeline https://review.openstack.org/350135 | 18:16 |
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| mugsie | rcarrillocruz: Shrews https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350206/ should fix the issues | 18:16 |
| fungi | sshnaidm: oops, thought this was related to the gearman-plugin questions on the ml for a moment. apologies | 18:16 |
| AJaeger | jeblair: but if we agree to use it more, I can start. | 18:16 |
| jeblair | sshnaidm, fungi: i think we can tag 0.7.0 now. SpamapS, greghaynes, mordred, notmorgan: ? | 18:16 |
| Shrews | mugsie: was just looking at that. thanks | 18:16 |
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| AJaeger | fungi, anteaya, jeblair: If you feel strongly about .bindep vs .config/bindep, please comment on the review | 18:17 |
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| * AJaeger needs to call it a day now and won't join today's infra meeting. | 18:17 | |
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| fungi | jeblair: 0.7.0 instead of 0.6.3 because of the tcp keepalives addition? | 18:17 |
| fungi | jeblair: makes sense to me | 18:17 |
| jeblair | fungi: yep | 18:17 |
| jeblair | AJaeger: i commented on the review | 18:17 |
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| mordred | mugsie: woot! nice find | 18:18 |
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| Shrews | mordred: i guess the canary didn't make it out | 18:19 |
| Shrews | poor birdie | 18:19 |
| mordred | Shrews: :) | 18:19 |
| mugsie | we should have a canary of our own to be fair... | 18:19 |
| mordred | Shrews: otoh - we helped | 18:19 |
| AJaeger | jeblair: So, you're in favor of "bindeprc"? jeblair we need something to make krot_sickleave happy with his javascript head on. We can also ignore that and +2 the changes that I did like https://review.openstack.org/334870 . I like to move forward in some way... | 18:19 |
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| Shrews | \o/ | 18:19 |
| * AJaeger will read backscroll tomorrow if there're some fine proposals | 18:20 | |
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| mugsie | mordred: Shrews much rather this is found here, than in a few months :) | 18:20 |
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| jeblair | AJaeger, krot_sickleave: i may just not understand the objection (i don't see why other-requirements is javascript incompatible). i'm not particularly attached to any name -- just mentioning that the reason other-requirements.txt was chosen was so that packages could advertise in a semi-standard and obvious way what their binary requirements are, not only to machines but to people. | 18:21 |
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| * mordred isn't REALLY participating - but this strikes me more simliar to bower.json than to .editorconfig | 18:23 | |
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| SpamapS | jeblair: +1 | 18:23 |
| cloudnull | infra folks, quick questions. I assume zuul is compatible with ipv6 is that correct? if yes, what would need to change to make infra it leverage an IPv6 provider network? | 18:23 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: A reminder, gearmand upstream has merged the protocol documentation updates we made, and so now there's clarity on how to coalesce job unique ids. I'd love to add coalescing to geard at some point. :) | 18:24 |
| cloudnull | We're adding an ipv6 provider network to the OSIC in the next day or so and wanted to see if infra can start using that network | 18:24 |
| SpamapS | (did I mention gearmand upstream is me now? ;-) | 18:24 |
| SpamapS | Hopefully will actually make a release soon :-P | 18:25 |
| cloudnull | and once that's a go, we can up the resource restrictions because IP exhaustion wont be an issue. | 18:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/bindep: Add .bindeprc as additional filename https://review.openstack.org/350184 | 18:25 |
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| Shrews | SpamapS: brian doesn't work on it anymore? | 18:25 |
| mordred | cloudnull: nothing needs to be done - we just need routable ipv6 to exist and we'll automatically use it | 18:27 |
| cloudnull | sweet! | 18:27 |
| mordred | cloudnull: we will still need 1 IPv4 address for the AFS mirror | 18:27 |
| cloudnull | thats no worry at all. | 18:27 |
| mordred | but other than that, our stuff is configured to use ipv6 if it finds it | 18:28 |
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| anteaya | cloudnull: yay more resources! | 18:28 |
| anteaya | thank you | 18:28 |
| mordred | cloudnull: now - that's assuming that we'll get the ipv6 address just via nova boot ... if we need to explicitly request to boot a nic on the ipv6 network, we will need to configure that | 18:28 |
| AJaeger | jeblair: see discussion starting at http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra/%23openstack-infra.2016-06-28.log.html#t2016-06-28T15:02:15 - and I'm not asking for another name myself. | 18:29 |
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| fungi | yeah, for krot_sickleave's use case it sounds like he explicitly wants it to _not_ be human-facing documentation of the development environment requirements, and would rather only use it for automated systems like our ci | 18:30 |
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| krot_sickleave | Well, I can be convinced otherwise | 18:31 |
| SpamapS | Shrews: he stopped responding to us when we asked for merges/releases | 18:31 |
| krot_sickleave | But, probably not now, because sick. | 18:31 |
| fungi | or else i misunderstood the objection and it's more that the javascript ecosystem is used to finding development documentation in dotfiles | 18:31 |
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| SpamapS | Shrews: after 3 years, dormando gave up and handed it over to me. | 18:31 |
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| SpamapS | Sadly, this has been an insanely busy summer, so I've just barely been able to work on it. | 18:32 |
| SpamapS | but I'm trying to at least stay responsive | 18:32 |
| Shrews | SpamapS: :( | 18:32 |
| notmorgan | jeblair: of? | 18:32 |
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| * krot_sickleave would love a patch that cleans up the technical debt in his sinuses | 18:33 | |
| mordred | krot_sickleave: I deployed some benadryl earlier today | 18:34 |
| rcarrillocruz | Shrews , mugsie : hey, wasn't around, reading backlog | 18:35 |
| krot_sickleave | mordred: I took some sudafed right before the internal meeting that discussed the recent exist at HPE. It turned out to be the greatest thing ever. | 18:35 |
| rcarrillocruz | ah, regression | 18:35 |
| rcarrillocruz | thx for the revert mugsie ! | 18:35 |
| notmorgan | jeblair: oh of gear? I see no reason we can't | 18:35 |
| mugsie | rcarrillocruz: thanks for finding it ! | 18:35 |
| rcarrillocruz | testing ftw! | 18:36 |
| notmorgan | jeblair: do we no longer support parsing lists of jobs/pipelines in the yaml files for zuul? | 18:37 |
| notmorgan | jeblair: i'm trying to un-skip some tests (and making the config exception a little more expressive) | 18:37 |
| rcarrillocruz | mtreinish: germqtt pinning is now going thru gate | 18:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/puppet-germqtt: Pinning germqtt to 0.10 https://review.openstack.org/350099 | 18:40 |
| rcarrillocruz | mtreinish: ^ \o/ | 18:40 |
| fungi | and there it goes | 18:40 |
| notmorgan | jeblair: since it feels like a step backwards if we can't do a list of jobs or pipelines in config, it adds a lot of extra top-level keys to the yaml in some cases. | 18:40 |
| notmorgan | jeblair: but i might just be missing the context for that specific change. | 18:41 |
| tlbr_ | guys, could you please review/merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350056/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346095/ ? | 18:41 |
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| rajinir | I have two private networks and nodepool is always trying to ssh to one of them, is there way to force shade to ssh to the other? | 18:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/os-client-config: Update citycloud to list new regions https://review.openstack.org/339990 | 18:50 |
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| * rcarrillocruz likes the name citycloud, is stylish | 18:54 | |
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| Shrews | rcarrillocruz: i would have named it cloud city, but George Lucas probably would have sued me | 18:56 |
| rcarrillocruz | hah | 18:56 |
| rcarrillocruz | i would have named dark city, amazing movie, which matrix picked LOTS of things | 18:56 |
| rcarrillocruz | highly recommended if you haven't seen it | 18:57 |
| rcarrillocruz | but no cloud in the name | 18:57 |
| bkero | and the people who would sue you are likely out of business anyways | 18:57 |
| rcarrillocruz | https://d21ii91i3y6o6h.cloudfront.net/gallery_images/from_proof/3442/large/1418280711/die-cut-stickers.png | 18:57 |
| bkero | Mystery Clock Cinema, lulz | 18:57 |
| bkero | rcarrillocruz: I had a ton of those stickers printed, will bring them to Barcelona :) | 18:57 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: oh nice; i'd be happy to look into coalescing | 18:58 |
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| rcarrillocruz | hey, you coming? awesome, we'll have a blast | 18:58 |
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| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: i love dark city. also, ebert's commentary track on that is nice :) | 18:58 |
| rcarrillocruz | barcelona is terrific city | 18:58 |
| bkero | I am :) | 18:58 |
| rcarrillocruz | jeblair: yeah, was super obsessed for some time with movie. Then Matrix appeared all media 'omg, so innovative' and i was like 'erm, really?' | 18:59 |
| fungi | it's that (weekly infra team meeting) time again! find us in #openstack-meeting for the next hour | 18:59 |
| jeblair | sleep now. | 18:59 |
| tlbr_ | mordred, hi, could you please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346095/ ? | 18:59 |
| rcarrillocruz | mtreinish: ansible puppet run without errors on firehose | 19:00 |
| rcarrillocruz | will check the service and all after meeting | 19:00 |
| anteaya | pabelanger: are you able to attend the infra meeting? | 19:01 |
| jeblair | notmorgan: let me catch up with you after the meeting/lunch when i will be more able to think | 19:01 |
| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: awesome | 19:02 |
| fungi | pabelanger: you have an item proposed on our meeting agenda but don't seem to be in #openstack-meeting | 19:03 |
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| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: cool I'm able to connect with an mqtt client now | 19:04 |
| rcarrillocruz | ohhh | 19:04 |
| rcarrillocruz | \o/ | 19:04 |
| rcarrillocruz | i have yet to create the gerrit account | 19:04 |
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| rcarrillocruz | will do after meeting | 19:04 |
| mtreinish | ok, that would explain why I'm not seeing any gerrit events :) | 19:04 |
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| rcarrillocruz | heh | 19:06 |
| pabelanger | anteaya: fungi: thanks for the ping | 19:06 |
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| anteaya | pabelanger: glad you are here | 19:07 |
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| lifeless | fungi: morning; I see a ping ? | 19:19 |
| lifeless | fungi: there is a bit to much surrounding noise to grok the actua question :). Something something constraints? | 19:20 |
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| fungi | lifeless: yeah, wondering if you had thoughts about a sane way for projects whose packages are listed in constraints can use constraints to install their dependencies (for testing) without having constraints applied to their checkout from source | 19:22 |
| fungi | as in, if there is something we should be adding to pip -c behavior to account for it | 19:22 |
| fungi | rather than the wrapper scripts people are putting in their tox.ini now to preinstall their repos from source and then mangle constraints lists to omit them when installing dependencies | 19:23 |
| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: one other thing it looks like mosquitto is running with the default config right now, we probably need to restart it to pull in the puppet generated config file | 19:24 |
| rcarrillocruz | hmm | 19:24 |
| rcarrillocruz | i can do that real quick | 19:24 |
| rcarrillocruz | sec | 19:24 |
| rcarrillocruz | restarted | 19:24 |
| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: heh, that broke my ability to connect :) | 19:26 |
| mtreinish | well we can dig more after the meeting | 19:26 |
| rcarrillocruz | eugh | 19:26 |
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| rcarrillocruz | mtreinish: can you try? i re-ran ansible puppet | 19:29 |
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| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: I still get the same thing: 'Error: Network is unreachable' | 19:31 |
| mtreinish | and the websocket js test repo I'm using (https://github.com/jpmens/simple-mqtt-websocket-example ) gets a connection timeout | 19:31 |
| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: is there anything in the log file? | 19:33 |
| rcarrillocruz | http://paste.openstack.org/show/545731/ | 19:34 |
| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: heh, so my connection crashed it :) | 19:34 |
| rcarrillocruz | :D | 19:35 |
| mtreinish | I can't say I've ever seen that error before | 19:36 |
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| rcarrillocruz | db corrupted? | 19:37 |
| rcarrillocruz | cos i've restarted it a few times | 19:37 |
| rcarrillocruz | and i don't see any process like 'mosquitto' or 'mqtt' | 19:37 |
| rcarrillocruz | what's the process name i should be looking | 19:37 |
| rcarrillocruz | ? | 19:37 |
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| mtreinish | it should be mosquitto | 19:38 |
| mtreinish | but I think it's crashing pretty soon after starting | 19:38 |
| mtreinish | you can try to wipe the db it's at /var/lib/mosquitto/mosquitto.db | 19:39 |
| rcarrillocruz | yeah | 19:39 |
| notmorgan | jeblair: yeah np | 19:39 |
| mtreinish | but I'm not sure it's causing the issue | 19:39 |
| mtreinish | we might need to turn on more logging let me push up a patch for that | 19:39 |
| mtreinish | it definitely worked for me when I ran it locally | 19:39 |
| rcarrillocruz | lol | 19:40 |
| rcarrillocruz | i removed it, but i won't come up | 19:40 |
| rcarrillocruz | mosquitto got smashed | 19:40 |
| rcarrillocruz | just worked briefly | 19:40 |
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| rcarrillocruz | removed mosquitto.db i mean | 19:41 |
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| mtreinish | hmm, and there is nothing useful in the log | 19:41 |
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| rcarrillocruz | nah, it's not logging new things | 19:42 |
| rcarrillocruz | it dies early on startup | 19:43 |
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| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: d'oh I forgot to turn on any real logging in the template | 19:43 |
| rcarrillocruz | ah | 19:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed openstack-infra/puppet-mosquitto: Enable real logging https://review.openstack.org/350249 | 19:44 |
| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: ^^^ | 19:45 |
| mtreinish | we might want to manually add that to the conf file temporarily just to debug this issue | 19:45 |
| mtreinish | because the gate backup means ~2-4 hours before it lands | 19:45 |
| rcarrillocruz | nah, i already tried, nothing, let me try to run it in foreground instead of via service script | 19:47 |
| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: I assume it's something with the config file, the password file, or the acl file | 19:48 |
| mtreinish | and it's bailing when it doens't understand | 19:48 |
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| mtreinish | but I'm surprised there isn't a real error message for whatever it is | 19:48 |
| rcarrillocruz | indeed is | 19:49 |
| rcarrillocruz | http://paste.openstack.org/show/545735/ | 19:49 |
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| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: hmm, does it give you anything useful if you tell it to use /etc/mosquitto/mosquitto.conf? | 19:50 |
| rcarrillocruz | nada :D | 19:50 |
| pabelanger | fungi: re: uid [ full ] OpenStack Infra (Some Cycle) <infra-root@openstack.org> | 19:50 |
| pabelanger | when I check the fingerprint I don't have full, but unknown | 19:50 |
| rcarrillocruz | oh wait | 19:51 |
| pabelanger | which is different from puppetmaster.o.o | 19:51 |
| rcarrillocruz | must be a classic | 19:51 |
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| rcarrillocruz | naah, i thought it was due to /var/run/mosquitto.pid not being removed | 19:51 |
| rcarrillocruz | jebus | 19:52 |
| rcarrillocruz | not even -v shows anything | 19:52 |
| fungi | pabelanger: probably just differences in gpg2 version output | 19:52 |
| pabelanger | fungi: thanks | 19:52 |
| rcarrillocruz | hmm | 19:53 |
| rcarrillocruz | mtreinish: i see two listener lines | 19:53 |
| rcarrillocruz | let me pull one | 19:53 |
| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: that should work fine, it's to use the default mqtt port and a websocket port of port 80 | 19:53 |
| rcarrillocruz | or is that intended ? one http , other ws | 19:53 |
| mtreinish | you can have as many there as you need | 19:54 |
| rcarrillocruz | gotcha | 19:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Borland proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Splitting current/deprecated integ. test https://review.openstack.org/349077 | 19:54 |
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| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: when I was doing early testing of the module I had a similar issue I think and it was something with the password file and/or acl file | 19:54 |
| mtreinish | are those setup right? | 19:54 |
| mtreinish | the password file should something like username:$pass_hash | 19:55 |
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| rcarrillocruz | hmm, ok | 19:55 |
| rcarrillocruz | let me just wipe | 19:55 |
| rcarrillocruz | and re-run the ansible play | 19:55 |
| rcarrillocruz | no worky | 19:57 |
| rcarrillocruz | the password file look with the format you pasted me | 19:57 |
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| rcarrillocruz | to me, looks like something on the conf file | 19:59 |
| rcarrillocruz | it goes thru without specifiying the templated conf file | 19:59 |
| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: yeah, that's what I was assuming the issue was, it would just be nice to know what the issue was :) | 19:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Aaron Rosen proposed openstack-dev/cookiecutter: don't need to omit this as oslo libs are now used https://review.openstack.org/350251 | 20:02 |
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| prometheanfire | someone mind looking at this DIB change? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348536 | 20:03 |
| rcarrillocruz | mtreinish: http://paste.openstack.org/show/545737/ | 20:03 |
| fungi | pabelanger: it's possible the [ full ] from my fingerprint example is because i frankenmashed the example together out of some steps that i did more than once, and so indicates that i had already signed the key i was testing with once | 20:03 |
| rcarrillocruz | something with the port? | 20:03 |
| rcarrillocruz | ^ strace output | 20:03 |
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| prometheanfire | :D | 20:03 |
| bkero | rcarrillocruz: looks like non-root is trying to bind to a privileged port | 20:04 |
| bkero | which is verboten | 20:04 |
| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: oh, it doesn't have permission to tkae port 80 | 20:04 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: were you able to test my changes? | 20:04 |
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| rcarrillocruz | but i'm root | 20:04 |
| bkero | rcarrillocruz: recreate by: 'nc -l -p 80' | 20:04 |
| rcarrillocruz | user from binary? | 20:05 |
| bkero | hmm, selinux? | 20:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | could be yeah, cos i'm running the binary itself, not the service, so no user switch here | 20:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | anyway, pasta time | 20:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | 10-15min | 20:05 |
| prometheanfire | that's blocked by defualt in linux (non-root binding to a low port) | 20:06 |
| bkero | Yeah, apache does a weird bind-then-drop-perms-to-apache2-user | 20:06 |
| fungi | rcarrillocruz: is something else already listening on 80/tcp on at least one interface/address? | 20:06 |
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| bkero | That would come up with something like: | 20:07 |
| bkero | bind(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(8000), sin_addr=inet_addr("0.0.0.0")}, 16) = -1 EADDRINUSE (Address already in use) | 20:07 |
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| bkero | prometheanfire: Not your latest ones | 20:08 |
| bkero | I can do that now though. | 20:08 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: that'd be nice :D | 20:08 |
| prometheanfire | you know the three reviews along with the script | 20:08 |
| prometheanfire | ? | 20:08 |
| fungi | bkero: ahh, right thanks | 20:09 |
| bkero | rcarrillocruz: if you're selinux, try this: semanage port -l | grep http | 20:09 |
| bkero | prometheanfire: I think I still have the tabs open. Which review comes first? | 20:09 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348536 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310865 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348514 | 20:10 |
| prometheanfire | those three (three projects) | 20:10 |
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| prometheanfire | https://gist.github.com/prometheanfire/285bc292724f8e6d86070df288d508a1 | 20:11 |
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| mtreinish | bkero: it's xenial, so it's probably their selinux alternative (forgot what it's called) | 20:12 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: there are also a couple of edits needed so the puppet stuff works | 20:12 |
| bkero | prometheanfire: worth deleting /var/tmp/portage too? | 20:12 |
| bkero | mtreinish: apparmor? mebbe | 20:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/infra-specs: Add a sentence regarding timing the migration https://review.openstack.org/350134 | 20:13 |
| mtreinish | yeah, that's it I think | 20:13 |
| mtreinish | it's not like we explicitly configured anything on it with that though | 20:13 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: ? | 20:14 |
| prometheanfire | by default that dir should be gone I think | 20:14 |
| bkero | prometheanfire: in the portage cleanup script. Also won't deleting /usr/lib/python*/site-packages/gentoolkit/test/eclean/testdistfiles.tar.gz delete a file that is part of a package? | 20:14 |
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| prometheanfire | bkero: we have that in our cleanup script already iirc | 20:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Borland proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Splitting current/deprecated integ. test https://review.openstack.org/349077 | 20:15 |
| bkero | prometheanfire: Ah right, that's not part of the + | 20:15 |
| prometheanfire | ya | 20:15 |
| prometheanfire | and by we I mean gentoo infra there | 20:16 |
| pabelanger | fungi: ack | 20:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Borland proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Splitting current/deprecated integ. test https://review.openstack.org/349077 | 20:17 |
| bkero | prometheanfire: what stephanie said :) | 20:17 |
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| prometheanfire | bkero: wat? | 20:18 |
| prometheanfire | oh | 20:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Borland proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Splitting current/deprecated integ. test https://review.openstack.org/349077 | 20:18 |
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| bkero | prometheanfire: while you fix those I'll test out the elements | 20:19 |
| mnaser | would anyone know if -infra has started any plans to use the infrastructure provided for services? | 20:20 |
| bkero | prometheanfire: again I'm getting gpg: can't open 'diskimage_builder/../bin/../elements/gentoo/gentoo-releng.gpg': No such file or directory | 20:20 |
| mnaser | we're also adding a lot more capacity during this month so we *might* be able to start bumping back up worker nodes (~3ghz per core + ssd + 10gbps goodness) | 20:20 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: and does that dir exist? | 20:21 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: pwd and pwd of diskimage_builder? | 20:21 |
| bkero | pwd is diskiamge_builder | 20:22 |
| prometheanfire | cd .. | 20:22 |
| prometheanfire | then try again :D | 20:22 |
| bkero | Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that a requirement specific to the gentoo elements? | 20:23 |
| bkero | If I cd .. then I'm in $HOME/code/ | 20:23 |
| bkero | prometheanfire: http://paste.openstack.org/show/545740/ | 20:24 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: you also need this to shortcut the puppet stuff https://bpaste.net/show/39020cb4839c | 20:25 |
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| prometheanfire | bkero: it seems to be a req | 20:25 |
| bkero | Okay, but I don't think that'll affect the missing gpg keyring problem | 20:26 |
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| prometheanfire | I've seen it before and it fixed it for me | 20:27 |
| bkero | uh | 20:27 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: we could do a hangout or something? | 20:28 |
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| bkero | prometheanfire: http://paste.openstack.org/show/545743/ | 20:28 |
| patrickeast | hey, question about periodic jobs with zuul; where do the results go? the gerrit reporter doesn't make sense, maybe smtp for failures | 20:29 |
| bkero | looks like PWD is changing to $HOME/.cache/image-create, but you're still using a relative directly for importing the keyring | 20:29 |
| patrickeast | for upstream -infra jobs is the only place to see them the heath dashboard? | 20:29 |
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| bkero | prometheanfire: sorry, was just on my way to a late lunch | 20:29 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: after? | 20:29 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: I'd be good for after at least | 20:30 |
| bkero | prometheanfire: ok | 20:31 |
| rcarrillocruz | mtreinish: it's very odd | 20:31 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i can set a listening socket on port 80 as root with netcat | 20:31 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: and to fix that is something I'd like to have done but just haven't had the time or need to | 20:31 |
| rcarrillocruz | so there's no selinux/apparmor thing | 20:31 |
| bkero | prometheanfire: let's just do now though. I won't be coming back home and my Vaio P can't do hangouts. | 20:31 |
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| bkero | rcarrillocruz: sudo su - apache2; then nc -l -p 80? | 20:31 |
| rcarrillocruz | mosquitto doesn't like to run on port 80 for some reason, it's as if internally it tried to open it with a non-root user, per the strace output | 20:31 |
| bkero | or sudo su - mosquitto | 20:32 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: ok | 20:32 |
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| rcarrillocruz | three's no mosquitto nor apache2 user, but i cannot set a listening socket on port 80 as my user rcarrillocruz as expected | 20:32 |
| rcarrillocruz | aanyway, 22:30 my time | 20:33 |
| rcarrillocruz | if other roots want to poke feel free | 20:33 |
| rcarrillocruz | calling it a day now | 20:33 |
| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: we can change the port pretty easily, but 80 was desired because of the firewall implications | 20:33 |
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| rcarrillocruz | catch you tomorrow mtreinish | 20:33 |
| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: o/ | 20:33 |
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| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: the weird thing is I definitely tested using port 80 on my local vm before | 20:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Thode proposed openstack/diskimage-builder: Optionally remove portage files https://review.openstack.org/348536 | 20:38 |
| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz: and I just did a clean xenial install from the server iso to set that up iirc | 20:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Borland proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Splitting current/deprecated integ. test https://review.openstack.org/349077 | 20:47 |
| rajinir | devstack-gate question, the VM is coming up, DHCP'ing but never hitting the TFTP server , the tftp doesn't seem to be running on the VM. Can anyone help? | 20:49 |
| fungi | greghaynes: per today's tc meeting, there is interest in your rough patches to designate for addressing their performance concerns | 20:49 |
| greghaynes | orly | 20:49 |
| greghaynes | I should read those meeting minutes | 20:50 |
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| bswartz | greghaynes: (04:47:30 PM) dhellmann: mugsie : you're right, I don't see actual patches in http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/094568.html | 20:51 |
| bswartz | (04:48:01 PM) mugsie: dhellmann: fwiw i asked - I was quite interested in them | 20:51 |
| greghaynes | oh, sure, I should be able to dig up my hack job. PoC/testing isn't the same as getting working patches though | 20:52 |
| greghaynes | nice, its still sitting in my designate repo | 20:53 |
| fungi | greghaynes: git format-patch would probably suffice ;) | 20:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add tarball publisher to tripleo-ci for images https://review.openstack.org/350153 | 20:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Brian Rosmaita proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add searchlight api-ref jobs https://review.openstack.org/350264 | 20:53 |
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| anteaya | I'm off to attend an evening event | 21:00 |
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| mugsie | greghaynes: I a more interested, as we tried to replicate your results, and as the workload approched real life, the performance increase dropped off | 21:01 |
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| mugsie | wanted to see if we missed anything | 21:02 |
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| greghaynes | mugsie: makes sense - we should definitely share notes and see if we can figure something out. I'm just trying to read the meeting / read my code I forgot real quick | 21:02 |
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| greghaynes | mugsie: we can chat in the designate channel | 21:03 |
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| matt-borland | hello...I'm having the roughest time with a patch where I'm trying to change a job into a parameterized job-template...any insights onto the patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349077/ would be greatly appreciated. :) | 21:05 |
| matt-borland | My environment doesn't seem to test the layout properly, and the 'gate-project-config-layout:' has always failed for each patchset | 21:06 |
| dhellmann | bswartz, mugsie, greghaynes, fungi : good outcome from that discussion, thanks for following up | 21:06 |
| mtreinish | fungi, pabelanger, infra-root: I'm about to swap locations. But after I get back I'd like to continue digging into the mosquitto issue on firehose.o.o if someone is available | 21:07 |
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| jeblair | flaper87: i left a question on https://review.openstack.org/342069 when you have a sec | 21:07 |
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| fungi | mtreinish: i can take a stab at taking over troubleshooting after dinner | 21:09 |
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| jeblair | notmorgan: okay, i think i understand your question -- and yes, the config is now "list of $things" rather than "dictionary of lists of $things" | 21:11 |
| jeblair | notmorgan: this seems safer and more flexible to me, without losing any substantial feature | 21:12 |
| jeblair | notmorgan: (you can still group all your jobs together, for instance, and it overcomes potential issues with redefinitions of dictionary keys in yaml) | 21:13 |
| jeblair | notmorgan: i suspect that i originally wrote it this way in the spec to make it easier to combine the config from different sources, though that ended up needing a small bit of special logic anyway, so the old way would probably still be workable | 21:14 |
| jeblair | notmorgan: here is a more complete example of a v3-style config: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/zuul/tree/tests/fixtures/config/project-template/git/common-config/zuul.yaml?h=feature/zuulv3 | 21:15 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: ok, cool thanks | 21:23 |
| mtreinish | fungi: I'm back home now. Just let me know whenever you're available | 21:23 |
| fungi | i promised christine i'd help make shrimp tacos, so will be a little while still | 21:24 |
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| notmorgan | jeblair: yeah | 21:25 |
| notmorgan | jeblair: just was curious if it was intentional | 21:25 |
| notmorgan | jeblair: i can see it either way, i like the list allowed but *eh* it's a minor (at best) QOL difference for some people | 21:26 |
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| prometheanfire | greghaynes: what did you mean by extra-data.d? | 21:31 |
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| prometheanfire | bkero: ^ that would mean the path would change again? | 21:32 |
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| prometheanfire | greghaynes: I don't need a script, just a file that will not get installed, so going to keep it in root.d for now | 21:34 |
| greghaynes | sorry, whats the context again | 21:35 |
| bkero | greghaynes: gpg --import gentoo-releng.gpg | 21:36 |
| bkero | what dir does gentoo-releng.gpg live? | 21:36 |
| greghaynes | ah | 21:36 |
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| prometheanfire | sorry, I'm bad at context :P | 21:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Rob Cresswell proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add nv test job for Django 1.10 in Django OS Auth https://review.openstack.org/350113 | 21:37 |
| bkero | It might also be prudent to not have a gpg keyring inside dib | 21:37 |
| bkero | and just wget that as necessary | 21:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: WIP - Implement undercloud upgrade job - Mitaka -> Newton https://review.openstack.org/346995 | 21:37 |
| greghaynes | so, I think itll exist at $TMP_HOOKS_PATH/gentoo-releng.gpg | 21:38 |
| greghaynes | you should test it though | 21:38 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: wget isn't good for sec reasons | 21:38 |
| prometheanfire | there are reasons to ship the key | 21:38 |
| greghaynes | but, IIRC we flatten all the files in the elements, even the ones at the top level, in to TMP HOOKS_PATH | 21:38 |
| prometheanfire | if that's the case extra-data.d should work | 21:39 |
| bkero | prometheanfire: yeah $TMP_HOOKS_PATH/extra-data.d confirmed to work | 21:39 |
| prometheanfire | ok, testing it here too | 21:40 |
| bkero | That's likely the cleaner approach | 21:40 |
| bkero | greghaynes: thanks | 21:40 |
| bkero | It's bordering on 3pm, I really need a lunch. ._. | 21:40 |
| greghaynes | you actually don't even need to extra-data.d I think - youre just trying to import the key? It should already be there so just change the path in gpg --import to be $TMP_HOOKS_PATH/gentoo-releng.gpg | 21:40 |
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| bkero | yup, that too | 21:41 |
| bkero | I wasn't sure how kosher DIB would be with just leaving files in $ELEMENT/ | 21:41 |
| bkero | in terms of policy, obv it would work just fine | 21:41 |
| greghaynes | thats how we do just about everything | 21:41 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: eat | 21:41 |
| prometheanfire | greghaynes: that was going to be my review | 21:42 |
| greghaynes | prometheanfire: awesome :) | 21:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Thode proposed openstack/diskimage-builder: Optionally remove portage files https://review.openstack.org/348536 | 21:43 |
| prometheanfire | it's check_experimental right? | 21:43 |
| greghaynes | prometheanfire: for gentoo tests? I think they are nonvoting but should run by default | 21:44 |
| prometheanfire | ah, ok | 21:44 |
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| prometheanfire | greghaynes: anyway, please take a look | 21:44 |
| prometheanfire | and at this one line system-config call please https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348514/ | 21:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Break out bootstrapping of subnodes setup https://review.openstack.org/347008 | 21:44 |
| greghaynes | ok, the puppet stuff I'm not really helpful with, but I'll check out the dib review | 21:46 |
| prometheanfire | greghaynes: I haven't started much on the puppet stuff | 21:46 |
| prometheanfire | greghaynes: the system-config change is to install-puppet, fixing the way we sync our repo | 21:46 |
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| * bkero tries without the openstack-repos element to see if that makes building any faster. | 21:47 | |
| prometheanfire | bkero: it's pulled in by the other elements :( | 21:47 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: if you have my patch it won't compile at least | 21:47 |
| prometheanfire | it should only be caching | 21:48 |
| bkero | so it is | 21:48 |
| prometheanfire | should just edit it to exit 0 :P | 21:48 |
| greghaynes | theres also an offline mode for dib which might speed things up depending on how much of the element code youre using can take advantage | 21:49 |
| greghaynes | -c is the argument IIRC | 21:49 |
| prometheanfire | oh ya :D | 21:49 |
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| prometheanfire | so the resync is faster at least | 21:49 |
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| EmilienM | bnemec: ok I have my undercloud in mitaka, now upgrading to newton, I'm figuring special steps to make it working in CI now :) | 21:51 |
| EmilienM | bnemec: wrong channel | 21:51 |
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| bkero | prometheanfire: disk-image-create seems to almost work after fixing that | 21:52 |
| bkero | mv: cannot move '/dev/shm' to '/dev/shm.orig': Device or resource busy | 21:52 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: what OS you running? I hate that hackish portion but don't know what to do about it | 21:53 |
| bkero | prometheanfire: not gentoo | 21:53 |
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| bkero | what is it for? | 21:53 |
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| prometheanfire | /dev/shm is used by portage for some things | 21:54 |
| prometheanfire | When using non-Gentoo installation media, this might not be sufficient. Some distributions make /dev/shm a symbolic link to /run/shm/ which, after the chroot, becomes invalid. Making /dev/shm/ a proper tmpfs mount up front can fix this: | 21:54 |
| prometheanfire | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Base#Mounting_the_necessary_filesystems | 21:55 |
| prometheanfire | it's the red section | 21:55 |
| bkero | my /dev/shm is a tmpfs | 21:56 |
| prometheanfire | so it should have been happy :| | 21:56 |
| bkero | drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 360 Aug 2 14:49 shm | 21:56 |
| bkero | pulse has a ton of open FHs to /dev/shm | 21:57 |
| bkero | I don't think it's going to like everything moved to /dev/shm.orig | 21:57 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: grep /dev/shm /proc/mounts | 21:58 |
| prometheanfire | it shouldn't have hit that code | 21:58 |
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| prometheanfire | bkero: is shm in /proc/mounts? | 21:59 |
| fungi | pulse as in pulseaudio or some other pulse? | 22:00 |
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| prometheanfire | pa | 22:00 |
| fungi | ahh, you're doing this on your desktop? | 22:00 |
| prometheanfire | ya | 22:00 |
| prometheanfire | not here :P | 22:00 |
| * fungi was about to be shocked if we had a pulseaudio daemon running on one of our servers | 22:01 | |
| fungi | mtreinish: okie-dokie. any context as to where we left off on the firehose situation? | 22:01 |
| fungi | looks like i can ssh into it | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | fungi: hitting EACCESS trying to bind to port 80 | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | that's as far as we got | 22:02 |
| fungi | oh, right, this is xenial | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | yep | 22:02 |
| fungi | is it the broker that's failing to bind to 80 i guess? | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | yep | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | rcarrillocruz had to strace mosquitto to figure out what was happening | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | because there was no logging about it | 22:04 |
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| bkero | prometheanfire: tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0 | 22:05 |
| fungi | wow. `sudo mosquitto -v -c /etc/mosquitto/mosquitto.conf` returns nothing | 22:06 |
| fungi | the manpage says -v is for "verbose logging" | 22:06 |
| bkero | hah | 22:06 |
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| bkero | fungi: maybe the verbose logging went to syslog? | 22:06 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: so, you should not have hit the rm code | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | fungi: heh, yeah that's what we were hitting before | 22:06 |
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| fungi | bkero: no dice | 22:06 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: look at elements/gentoo/bin/install-packages | 22:06 |
| bkero | fungi: time to break out strace :) | 22:06 |
| bkero | prometheanfire: looked, running with -x now | 22:07 |
| fungi | mtreinish: i'm going to try some config tweaking to see if i can come up with something that'll start | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | fungi: mosquitto config, or other config? | 22:07 |
| fungi | mtreinish: yes, that | 22:07 |
| prometheanfire | k | 22:07 |
| fungi | mtreinish: seeing if some particular directive in the mosquitto.conf is tripping it up | 22:08 |
| bkero | prometheanfire: http://paste.openstack.org/show/546099/ | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | fungi: well based on the strace if you comment out the listener 80 bit (and the websocket line under it) it should start up | 22:09 |
| fungi | mtreinish: if i comment out the listener 80 and websockets lines it wirks | 22:09 |
| fungi | er, works | 22:09 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: didn't tell me the output of grep -q /dev/shm /proc/mounts | 22:09 |
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| prometheanfire | should exit 0 | 22:09 |
| fungi | mtreinish: yeah, that's what i tried first | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | fungi: we want to bind to port 80 though :) | 22:10 |
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| fungi | mtreinish: didn't tell it to background, but even with -v it's giving me nothing on stdout/stderr (however it's not terminating and dumping me back to a shell prompt, which is an improvement) | 22:10 |
| bkero | prometheanfire: [bkero@Whitefall ~]$ grep -r /dev/shm /proc/mounts | 22:10 |
| bkero | tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0 | 22:10 |
| bkero | [bkero@Whitefall ~]$ echo $? | 22:10 |
| bkero | 0 | 22:10 |
| bkero | err, -q. same | 22:10 |
| prometheanfire | right | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | fungi: yeah, that probably means it's running | 22:11 |
| * mtreinish tries to connect | 22:11 | |
| prometheanfire | so why does it skip that | 22:11 |
| fungi | mtreinish: it logs to /var/log/mosquitto.log | 22:11 |
| fungi | mtreinish: i already stopped it | 22:11 |
| fungi | sorry | 22:11 |
| mtreinish | fungi: heh, no worries | 22:12 |
| fungi | looking now to see if the logs shed any light on things | 22:12 |
| fungi | oh, my manual runs are actually logging in /var/log/mosquitto/mosquitto.log | 22:12 |
| jpmaxman | hey fungi | 22:12 |
| jpmaxman | sorry - just now getting back to this | 22:13 |
| fungi | ahh, nope. /var/log/mosquitto/mosquitto.log was the earlier ones | 22:13 |
| fungi | jpmaxman: not sure if you saw my replies | 22:13 |
| jpmaxman | I fixed the css issues - they were actually config settings for the skin | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | fungi: we set one in the config file and the other is the default location | 22:13 |
| jpmaxman | No missed your supplies | 22:13 |
| jpmaxman | your replies | 22:13 |
| jpmaxman | can go back and check | 22:13 |
| fungi | jpmaxman: the https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Special:Version pahe indicates only 31 extensions in use | 22:13 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: can you edit the install-packages file to look like this? https://gist.github.com/prometheanfire/9d9a25b9504bbe0dca0f131c0debdd6a | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | fungi: I can't remember which is which though | 22:13 |
| fungi | jpmaxman: so i have a suspicion the list you saw might be extensions available on the server but perhaps not active or something? | 22:14 |
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| jpmaxman | ah cool | 22:14 |
| jpmaxman | yeah | 22:14 |
| jpmaxman | I just copied the extensions directory | 22:14 |
| jpmaxman | they have to be declared in settings | 22:14 |
| jpmaxman | so you're probably right | 22:14 |
| jpmaxman | ok - I'll start re-enabling them | 22:14 |
| fungi | mtreinish: yeah, i had it backwards. i think /var/log/mosquitto/mosquitto.log is the default and we've overridden that in configuration to /var/log/mosquitto.log according to the timestamps (it logs in epoch time so i didn't immediately notice) | 22:15 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: yeah /var/log/mosquitto.log: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/modules/openstack_project/manifests/firehose.pp#n28 | 22:15 |
| bkero | prometheanfire: ok, doing this, pasting output, then heading to "lunch" | 22:15 |
| fungi | mtreinish: however, the logging in /var/log/mosquitto/mosquitto.log seemed much more verbose, so maybe there's a config option we're supplying to suppress some logging. i'm still digging | 22:15 |
| bkero | prometheanfire: also you should check for pax before making the pax calls | 22:15 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: k | 22:16 |
| prometheanfire | pax is installed everywhere iirc | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | fungi: I did push https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350249/ just a little while ago. The mosquitto logging config is definitely a bit weird | 22:16 |
| prometheanfire | or not, maybe it's standard in our images | 22:16 |
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| prometheanfire | in any case it's never been a problem | 22:16 |
| bkero | prometheanfire: http://paste.openstack.org/show/546100/ | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | not sure if that patch helps or not though | 22:16 |
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| bkero | prometheanfire: exited 1 | 22:17 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: the other thing with the other log file it's from the default config, so it actually launched and was accepting connections for a while | 22:17 |
| fungi | mtreinish: can't sync that. obviously i should restart gertty more often. i think that repo's new since my last restart | 22:17 |
| fungi | mtreinish: i'll hand-patch that in and see if it helps | 22:18 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: that the right log? | 22:18 |
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| prometheanfire | bkero: grep isn't called there at all | 22:19 |
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| fungi | mtreinish: changing port 80 to 8080 also seems to work | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | fungi: hmm, so something is locking down port 80 only? | 22:20 |
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| lifeless | fungi: I don't understand why you wouldn't want constraints applied | 22:21 |
| fungi | mtreinish: however it looks to me like mosquitto tries to bind on its sockets before it sets up logging, so bails too early to be able to diagnose socket binding errors from logs | 22:21 |
| lifeless | fungi: the use case doesn't compute for me :) | 22:21 |
| lifeless | fungi: is there a bug or a list thread or a wiki page or something with some saved state I can adsorb ? | 22:21 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: heh, that's useful | 22:21 |
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| prometheanfire | bkero: that debug log didn't have anything from the install function that I could find | 22:22 |
| fungi | lifeless: say a novaclient unit test job. we want to install a proposed patch for novaclient and apply constraints for all its dependencies. but if novaclient is also listed in upper-constraints.txt then having tox apply -c upper-constraints.txt to every pip install call causes an error because novaclient's install from source doesn't match the constraint | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | fungi: I was assuming it was a system config/setting that was blocking the binding. Not necessarily something mosquitto was doing. But, that's just my gut feeling not really anything to base it on | 22:22 |
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| fungi | lifeless: it's resulting in projects overriding the install command in tox.ini with scripts like these http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/python-glanceclient/tree/tools/tox_install.sh | 22:23 |
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| fungi | just wondering if there's a saner solution | 22:24 |
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| fungi | mtreinish: it's not just port 80. i think it's any privileged port. trying with 1023 gives the same results | 22:24 |
| fungi | mtreinish: mighth need to set capabilities or something. i'm researching whether we can blame systemd ;) | 22:25 |
| jhesketh | Morning | 22:26 |
| fungi | mtreinish: though i think it's more likely something mosquitto is doing to itself, since i can sudo nc and bind it to port 80 just fine | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | hmm, I did have it working on my local vm at one point | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | although now I can't get it to start either. I do have a screenshot of it working :) | 22:28 |
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| bkero | prometheanfire: yep it was blank | 22:28 |
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| fungi | mtreinish: if i change the log dest to stderr, it works! | 22:31 |
| fungi | heisenbug? | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | sigh, seriously. I never would have guess that | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | I'll take it though | 22:31 |
| fungi | i was changing that to try and get better logging, but now it can bind on 80 | 22:31 |
| fungi | something's rotten in its logging | 22:31 |
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| fungi | oh, i think i see the problem | 22:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Scott DAngelo proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add experimental Cinder job for multibackend https://review.openstack.org/330678 | 22:32 |
| fungi | no, that wasn't ot | 22:33 |
| fungi | it | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | fungi: want to push the puppet-mosquitto patch for that with a comment explaining the weirdness, I can +2 it (or just fast approve it) | 22:33 |
| fungi | mtreinish: but for some reason it happily logs to log_dest file /var/log/mosquitto/mosquitto.log just not what we have configured | 22:33 |
| fungi | mtreinish: yep, on it now | 22:34 |
| fungi | mtreinish: huh, we set it to /var/log/mosquitto/mosquitto.log as a default | 22:35 |
| craige | Just caught up on the meeting minutes fungi. All seems in order there. Thank you fungi. | 22:35 |
| fungi | mtreinish: so we can just drop the override in system-config i think? | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | fungi: probably, I'm not sure why I did that | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | fungi: but it might be better to just drop setting it at all if this is problematic | 22:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Don't override the mosquitto log path https://review.openstack.org/350295 | 22:39 |
| fungi | mtreinish: sure, but this ^ is the first step to that either way | 22:39 |
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| fungi | we won't be able to merge a change removing that class parameter from the puppet module while system-config is still attempting to set it (yay testing!) | 22:40 |
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| craige | o/ | 22:41 |
| fungi | pabelanger: around? care to approve 350295 since you were also looking into this? | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | fungi: +1 | 22:41 |
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| fungi | craige: you're welcome. thank you for fixing up that spec (and for working on this at all) | 22:42 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: no exit code was printed either | 22:42 |
| prometheanfire | bkero: it's like my code didn't run | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | fungi: we probably should report the bug to ubuntu at least (if not mosquitto directly) | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | the xenial version isn't the latest, but I didn't see anything in the 1.4.9 release notes about this issue | 22:43 |
| pabelanger | fungi: looking | 22:43 |
| craige | It's pretty close to "Go" too fungi, so I'll be happy when it;s live. | 22:43 |
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| fungi | mtreinish: agreed. you have context to recreate the failure sounds like. care to open that lp bug? | 22:43 |
| pabelanger | fungi: +2 | 22:43 |
| fungi | pabelanger: thanks! | 22:44 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: sure, I can | 22:44 |
| fungi | mtreinish: i'm going to hand patch this in and leave it running for now. we're running a ~5-hour backlog in the check pipeline so the fix isn't officially merging any time soon | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | fungi: yeah, that's fine | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | fungi: the next steps after fixing mosquitto were creating the gerrit mqtt user and setting the key from heira | 22:45 |
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| mtreinish | so germqtt can connect to gerrit and start publishing messages to mosquitto | 22:45 |
| pabelanger | ianw: care to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349692/ ? | 22:46 |
| pabelanger | ianw: I'll push a commit message change | 22:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Enable ntpdate service for centos-7 https://review.openstack.org/349692 | 22:48 |
| fungi | mtreinish: yeah, changing the log_dest by hand in the config i'm able to `sudo service start mosquitto` now so that's running | 22:48 |
| fungi | mtreinish: though if the puppet module subscribes a service refresh for that to the config then it'll die again on the next pulse when the config gets set back unless i temporarily disable puppet on it | 22:49 |
| fungi | looking now | 22:49 |
| odyssey4me | pabelanger if you have a moment, a review of https://review.openstack.org/349996 would be appreciated | 22:49 |
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| fungi | mtreinish: good news. looks like config file changes don't (currently) restart/reload mosquitto so it'll likely stay working for now while the fix worms its way through zuul's bowels | 22:52 |
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| fungi | mtreinish: so we have a gerrit account to create for germqtt to connect into? | 22:53 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: yep | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | fungi: rcarrillocruz said he already made the keys and populated hiera with them | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | but he never got to creating the germqtt user | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | IIRC | 22:55 |
| fungi | mtreinish: oh, convenient. so just need to dig those out of hiera and create the gerrit account | 22:55 |
| fungi | i should be able to get to that momentarily | 22:55 |
| fungi | just trying to catch up on e-mail that arrived during meetings and dinner | 22:55 |
| fungi | as for the running service, you're able to connect a listener to it? (nothing to see here, yet anyway, but connecting at least) | 22:56 |
| mtreinish | fungi: yeah, on the mqtt port it's listening right now | 22:56 |
| mtreinish | and the websocket seems to work too | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | but without any messages coming through it's kinda boring | 22:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add gate-tripleo-quickstart-bare-centos-7-nv job https://review.openstack.org/350301 | 22:57 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: I actually think it might be permissions issue on the logfile creation.(if it's root I'm not sure why though) I set the log file dest to /tmp/mosquitto.log and it worked fine | 22:59 |
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| lifeless | fungi: this is precisely the cross-project testing work I sketched out a while back | 22:59 |
| lifeless | fungi: to use zuul-cloner to checkout and then edit the references for involved projects | 23:00 |
| lifeless | fungi: because you *do* want the cllient version controlled, you just don't want the version specified in git: you want the version you're testing. | 23:00 |
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| lifeless | fungi: this is exactly what devstack does | 23:00 |
| ianw | pabelanger: thanks, yeah no problems with it | 23:00 |
| lifeless | fungi: tl;dr - arrange to call edit-constraints on the constraints file before running the tests. | 23:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add gate-tripleo-quickstart-base-centos-7-nv job https://review.openstack.org/350301 | 23:01 |
| ianw | pabelanger: good news, looks like i've found a fix for f24 ... quite a few tempest failures but at least it doesn't crash | 23:02 |
| fungi | lifeless: well, to support local constraints use, i guess that means that tox.ini needs to somehow edit the constraints list before installing the project from source? | 23:02 |
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| pabelanger | fungi: do you mind +3 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349692/ ? our ntpdate service fix for centos-7 | 23:02 |
| notmorgan | jeblair: how bundled up do you want the fixtures, like. say one fixture for test_connection? | 23:02 |
| notmorgan | jeblair: (per file) or per testclass? or? | 23:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Remove the ansible-role 'func' experimental jobs from openstack-ansible https://review.openstack.org/349996 | 23:03 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: yep confirmed. I did touch /var/log/mosquitto.log && chown mosquitto:mosquitto /var/log/mosquitto.log and reran it interactively as root and it worked fine | 23:05 |
| fungi | mtreinish: so it's insisting on dropping root privs to write its logfile huh? | 23:06 |
| mtreinish | fungi: yeah I guess, it's kinda weird | 23:07 |
| fungi | agreed | 23:07 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: oh, there's a config option for it | 23:07 |
| fungi | given that it complains in the log when you run the service as root at all, you'd think they'd have just stopped there | 23:07 |
| fungi | oh, configurable? | 23:07 |
| mtreinish | fungi: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-mosquitto/tree/templates/mosquitto.conf.erb#n36 | 23:08 |
| mtreinish | it defaults dropping to the mosquitto user | 23:08 |
| mtreinish | if you want to keep it as root leave it blank | 23:08 |
| mtreinish | so I guess uncomment it and leave 'user' by itself | 23:08 |
| * mtreinish tries | 23:08 | |
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| pabelanger | ianw: nice work | 23:09 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: heh, no it doesn't like that: http://paste.openstack.org/show/546115/ | 23:09 |
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| fungi | jroll: so to lifeless' point above, we could leverage the edit-constraints entrypoint from the requirements repo as documented at http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/requirements/tree/README.rst#n160 which could probably be done in the job macro that also copies the constraints file into place (would need to be extended to set up a temporary virtualenv, pip install the requirements repo into it, | 23:11 |
| fungi | and then run edit-constraints from there). unfortunately that doesn't address local constraints use since it poses a chicken-and-egg issue in tox | 23:12 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: but setting 'user root' works. I'm gonna stop writing the bug report. I think the bug is in the error reporting in mosquitto, but that's something to fix in upstream not ubuntu | 23:14 |
| fungi | mtreinish: agreed | 23:14 |
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| fungi | mtreinish: gerrit account has been created. what should i start up to test that it's working? | 23:18 |
| fungi | i just now started the "germqtt" service | 23:18 |
| fungi | assuming that'll do | 23:18 |
| fungi | seems to be running with a process start time of 23:18 utc | 23:19 |
| mtreinish | fungi: hmm, is there anything in the log file? I'm not seeing any messages | 23:20 |
| jeblair | notmorgan: here's what i'm thinking with the fixtures (this is all negotiable -- it's mostly based on pracical concerns) | 23:20 |
| mtreinish | although I could just be impatient and nothing has happened yet | 23:20 |
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| fungi | mtreinish: mosquitto log or does germqtt have its own? | 23:21 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: germqtt should have it's own | 23:21 |
| mtreinish | well actually it logs to standard out, so wherever systemd dumps it | 23:21 |
| fungi | gerrit activity for the day has died down to around 300/hr but you should still be seeing some activity | 23:21 |
| mtreinish | my local isntance is showing stuff | 23:22 |
| mtreinish | but not on firehose | 23:22 |
| jeblair | notmorgan: because we need a lot of files on disk to express the various configurations (config repos, in-repo config, etc), having a test _class_ corresponding to a configuration fixture | 23:22 |
| jeblair | notmorgan: that was the easiest way to handle loading the right configuration for various tests | 23:22 |
| jeblair | notmorgan: so the test class / configuration fixture would be a prime organizing feature -- tests that share a config should be in the same class | 23:23 |
| jeblair | notmorgan: that may break down eventually, cause maybe that's not the best or only organising feature -- grouping tests by function is also obviously important | 23:23 |
| jeblair | notmorgan: so maybe we have different test classes using the same configuration fixtures | 23:24 |
| fungi | mtreinish: only logged at start (a userwarning about an unknown ssh-rsa host key for review.o.o, and missing handlers for logger gerrit.GerritWatcher) | 23:24 |
| mtreinish | fungi: ah, the host key is probably the issue | 23:24 |
| mtreinish | I hit that in local testing, gerritlib bails out there and doesn't continue | 23:24 |
| mtreinish | but the germqtt module is configured to setup the host key automatically (or it's supposed to) | 23:25 |
| fungi | mtreinish: okay, i saw a gerrit host key in hiera, so maybe it's wrong or maybe the setup in the module is broken/incomplete | 23:25 |
| jeblair | notmorgan: i'm not sure how it's going to look in the long run, but i will say that for now, the technology suggests test fixture per class, and i think it's fine to have many test methods per class. i would not suggest that we have fixture per method, i think that's too heavyweight. | 23:25 |
| fungi | mtreinish: checking each of thos epossibilities now | 23:25 |
| jeblair | notmorgan: you may want to build off of https://review.openstack.org/350165 | 23:25 |
| jeblair | notmorgan: that's in service of making the old tests more compatible with the new system | 23:26 |
| jeblair | notmorgan: you may also find its parent, https://review.openstack.org/347072 useful | 23:26 |
| jroll | fungi: yeah, so it sounds like glanceclient and friends are doing the right thing (with a bunch of extra logic for reasons not apparent to me right now) | 23:27 |
| fungi | mtreinish: gerrit_ssh_rsa_pubkey_contents in hiera is correct at least | 23:27 |
| mtreinish | fungi: so the issue is probably the puppet-germqtt module stuff for writing that to disk | 23:28 |
| mtreinish | fungi: what does an ssh to review.o.o as the germqtt user do? | 23:29 |
| fungi | mtreinish: ~germqtt/.ssh/known_hosts exists on firehose01, has the correct contents and is owned by germqtt:germqtt | 23:29 |
| fungi | and permissions on it and ~germqtt/.ssh are 0600/0700 | 23:29 |
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| fungi | mtreinish: does germqtt expect to find the key somewhere else? | 23:29 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: mordred: I believe you'll be interested in 349103, upgrades ansible to 2.1.1.0 on our zuul-launchers. Maybe we can see about landing that tomorrow? | 23:30 |
| mtreinish | it shouldn't the code is as straightforward as could be: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/germqtt/tree/germqtt/germqtt.py#n42 | 23:30 |
| mtreinish | unless gerritlib is doing something weird there | 23:30 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: yes, in a discussion with Shrews recently, we realized that a patch Shrews submitted to ansible to help address the 'can not parse json' issue is only in the new ansible release, not in the custom thing we're running. | 23:31 |
| jeblair | so it will be good to deploy it | 23:31 |
| pabelanger | great | 23:31 |
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| pabelanger | jeblair: also, I am seeing ubuntu-trusty nodes climbing again in zuul. I'm at a lost right now to explain what that is happening, when we have min-ready 10 | 23:33 |
| pabelanger | ... at the ready state | 23:33 |
| pabelanger | currently 51 ready and going up | 23:33 |
| fungi | mtreinish: okay, so i think the formatting in hiera is incorrect. just a sec i'm working to sort it out | 23:34 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: oh cool, this will be easier to debug in real time | 23:34 |
| jeblair | i'll jump in on it | 23:34 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: Will be interesting what you see | 23:34 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: oh, did we recently switch job node types? | 23:36 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: i believe we will need to restart zuul | 23:38 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger: because gearman never forgets function registrations, it means that when we switch node types for a job, both types show up in the function listing | 23:38 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: which means that nodepool may be using an outdated mapping of job -> node type | 23:38 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger: restarting zuul (actually the geard that zuul runs) corrects the situation | 23:39 |
| pabelanger | oh, I'm not sure if we restarted zuul | 23:39 |
| jeblair | yeah, it's been running since jul 16 | 23:39 |
| pabelanger | but we did land python-jobs changes | 23:39 |
| jeblair | and we merged several node type changes since then | 23:39 |
| pabelanger | ya | 23:39 |
| jeblair | a big one like that would sure do it | 23:39 |
| pabelanger | cool, well that explains it | 23:39 |
| jeblair | now we just need to find a good time to restart zuul :) | 23:40 |
| pabelanger | agreed | 23:40 |
| jeblair | with a release queue like that, i would suggest now is not the best time | 23:40 |
| jeblair | (though i suspect this mismatch is at least partly responsible for its length) | 23:40 |
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| pabelanger | a lot of the release queue is waiting for wheel-build jobs | 23:41 |
| fungi | mtreinish: looks like it's connecting to gerrit now (or at least not complaining about the host key any longer) | 23:41 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger: oh, if that's all they're waiting for, i think it may be safe | 23:42 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: ya, it looks to be all for wheel-build | 23:43 |
| mtreinish | fungi: I'm still not seeing any messages on mqtt | 23:43 |
| mtreinish | is there anything else in the log output? | 23:44 |
| mtreinish | fungi: also https://github.com/eclipse/mosquitto/issues/234 | 23:44 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: maybe let's do the restart now then? | 23:44 |
| fungi | mtreinish: actually, it did log an error about it again | 23:44 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: sure, I have some time to support it | 23:45 |
| fungi | mtreinish: oh, puppet reverted my temporary in-place fix | 23:45 |
| mtreinish | heh | 23:45 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: I don't mind doing the restart on zuul.o.o too | 23:45 |
| fungi | it'll update from the corrected entry in hiera on the next pulse, but i'll go ahead and put it in here for now | 23:45 |
| mtreinish | fungi: ok, cool | 23:46 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: okay, here's what i think you should do: | 23:46 |
| fungi | ultimately, i think we should stick a known_hosts entry for gerrit in public hiera anyway | 23:46 |
| fungi | we have several systems that want to use it, and it embeds ip addresses (ipv4, ipv6) | 23:46 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: save the queues; stop zuul; then on nodepool, use mysql to 'update node set state=4'; then start zuul. | 23:47 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: okay | 23:47 |
| mtreinish | fungi: I don't think rcarrillocruz added that one, I just copied the line from elastic_recheck in site.pp | 23:47 |
| fungi | mtreinish: oh, actually doesn't need the ip address versions, just the hostname version is sufficient | 23:47 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: the mysql bit should cause nodepool to revoke all the nodes from the launchers and they will stop running jobs and they will be deleted | 23:48 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: ack | 23:48 |
| fungi | grr, my ssh session just decided to hang | 23:48 |
| pabelanger | okay, saving queues | 23:48 |
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| pabelanger | zuul stopped | 23:49 |
| pabelanger | mysql done | 23:49 |
| pabelanger | zuul started | 23:50 |
| jeblair | #status log restarted zuul to clear geard function registration to fix inaccuracies with nodepool demand calculations | 23:50 |
| openstackstatus | jeblair: finished logging | 23:50 |
| pabelanger | loading queues | 23:50 |
| mtreinish | fungi: heh, it's fighting us hard today :) | 23:51 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul: Move test_cloner out of its own subdirectory https://review.openstack.org/347071 | 23:52 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul: Re-enable test_initial_pipeline_gauges https://review.openstack.org/347070 | 23:52 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul: Use RecordingLaunchServer to run all tests https://review.openstack.org/350165 | 23:52 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul: Remove build descriptions https://review.openstack.org/347015 | 23:52 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul: Add utility program to print test fixture configuration https://review.openstack.org/347072 | 23:52 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul: Remove job registration check https://review.openstack.org/346236 | 23:52 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul: Re-enable test_jobs_launched https://review.openstack.org/346237 | 23:52 |
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| fungi | argh, now when i tried again without the ipv6 address on teh known_hosts line it went back to complaining about authenticity of teh host key again | 23:53 |
| jeblair | i think that's the first time i've seen two typos in one line from fungi | 23:54 |
| mtreinish | fungi: haha, we really can't win | 23:54 |
| jeblair | fungi: you must be very frustrated! | 23:54 |
| fungi | indeed, one of myhands gets ahead of the other | 23:54 |
| jeblair | fungi: is it your left foot? | 23:54 |
| fungi | oh, that's the problem | 23:55 |
| jeblair | anything i can do to help? | 23:55 |
| jeblair | i mean, with the key, not the foot. | 23:55 |
| fungi | just trying to work out how to properly puppet the gerrit host key into a known_hosts file | 23:55 |
| jeblair | i thought we did that? | 23:55 |
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| fungi | yep, looking for a good example of it now | 23:56 |
| fungi | i think this particular puppet module sort of punted and just expected the entire line to be added to hiera | 23:56 |
| pabelanger | queues reloaded | 23:56 |
| fungi | there are cleaner ways to redo this where we parameterize the addresses | 23:56 |
| pabelanger | took nodepool a few minutes to delete the nodes, but they are coming back online | 23:57 |
| fungi | aha, found it. had an extra 8 in 29418 | 23:57 |
| fungi | for some reason i kept looking right past that | 23:58 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: regarding the function registrations, would adding a TTL into zuul for the registrations be worth it? | 23:58 |
| fungi | but also vim seems to be getting very, very unhappy every time i try to edit this hiera file on puppetmaster | 23:58 |
| jeblair | fungi: zuul_merger and zuul_prod both do it. with different ip addresses for review.openstack.org. :/ | 23:59 |
| fungi | i've had to kill -7 it several times now | 23:59 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: it's in geard which in this case is aiming to be compatible with the C gearman server. | 23:59 |
| * pabelanger nods | 23:59 | |
| jeblair | pabelanger: so not easy to 'fix'. best course is, i think, to work on v3 where this won't be a problem | 23:59 |
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