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| clarkb | corvus: when you subscribe you still get the openstack header | 00:07 |
| corvus | clarkb: header? | 00:07 |
| clarkb | ya Home Projects User Stories Community etc across the top | 00:08 |
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| clarkb | its not there on the lists list page but is there when you go to a specific list and after you subscribe | 00:08 |
| corvus | oh yeah, there's a bit more work to do to un-openstack-theme the web ui, but it should be possible with this setup | 00:08 |
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| corvus | it'll be there in the archives too | 00:08 |
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| clarkb | I've also not yet see nthe reply to this email confirmation emails | 00:10 |
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| corvus | oh, i think i need to start the second set of mailman daemons | 00:11 |
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| corvus | clarkb: okay, it tried to send them, but it looks like it it sent it with an envelope sender of lists.openstack.org | 00:13 |
| corvus | so they were rejected | 00:13 |
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| clarkb | ah | 00:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/system-config master: Add lists.zuul-ci.org to local domains https://review.openstack.org/533329 | 00:34 |
| corvus | clarkb, mordred, fungi: ^ i missed that | 00:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul feature/zuulv3: WIP: Add cross-source tests https://review.openstack.org/532699 | 00:37 |
| clarkb | corvus: I'm having a hard time reconciling the commit message with the diff. local_domains is a var a few lines above where you removed mm_domains but commit message says we removed mm_domains from local_domains? | 00:39 |
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| clarkb | but also my braincells are tired, its been a long week so I'm probably just missing something obvious | 00:41 |
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| clarkb | oh I get it | 00:45 |
| clarkb | local_domains in puppet becomes local_domains in exim | 00:45 |
| corvus | clarkb: yep that's it | 00:45 |
| clarkb | and since localdomains has mm_domains | 00:45 |
| clarkb | we don't need to list it twice | 00:45 |
| corvus | yep | 00:46 |
| clarkb | the layers you hvae to jump through with config managmeent sometimes | 00:46 |
| clarkb | also apparently cpu patches for spectre are coming out and also cause further performance issues | 00:47 |
| corvus | yeah, that's part of why i moved mm_domains into only puppet. | 00:47 |
| corvus | clarkb: apparently you shouldn't install the lenovo bios update from december | 00:48 |
| clarkb | (since they impact speculative execution) | 00:48 |
| clarkb | corvus: oh? is it crashy? | 00:48 |
| corvus | or the intel microcode update from jan 5th. ya | 00:48 |
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| clarkb | fun | 00:48 |
| corvus | clarkb: or in intel-speak: it has "higher system reboots" | 00:48 |
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| clarkb | my NAS box now has two bugs listed in cpuinfo. Kinda makes me wonder if I made a bad choice on cpu there | 00:49 |
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| mnaser | dmsimard: looks like a spam wave is in, do you have the +r script handy :/ | 03:03 |
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| mwhahaha | mnaser: yea they are in #openstack-mistral now | 03:06 |
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| mnaser | okay it’s getting bad :/ | 03:09 |
| mnaser | Im gon a see if I can do something | 03:10 |
| mnaser | Maybe it’s settled down I’ll keep an eye out | 03:10 |
| ianw | yeah, it's all over, it's just whack-a-mole | 03:11 |
| ianw | someone in #freenode mentioned Sigyn bot | 03:11 |
| ianw | don't know if we've ever looked at that | 03:12 |
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| dmsimard | mnaser, ianw: if you need to trigger +r, the paste is in the infrastructure status wiki | 05:21 |
| dmsimard | Channel list likely needs updated at this point though | 05:22 |
| * dmsimard sleep | 05:22 | |
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| prometheanfire | also, mailman3 sure would be nice (so dmarc would be handlable) | 06:48 |
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| AJaeger | config-core, could you review and merge these two, please? ^ | 08:39 |
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| fungi | prometheanfire: mainline mailman has dmarc configuration options we can use once we upgrade from trusty to xenial. now as to whether setting those options is a good idea, that's still up for debate (many of us are not fans of dmarc and would rather see it diaf) | 14:26 |
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| fungi | mailman 3 is problematic for other reasons (not the least of which is it being a complete rewrite in java) | 14:27 |
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| fungi | 2.1.18 at least gives us the option of automatically rejecting posts from dmarc-enforcing domains. i find that the most palatable solution | 14:29 |
| tosky | fungi: what? I thought that it was still python | 14:29 |
| tosky | and in fact: http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html#dependenciesa | 14:30 |
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| fungi | tosky: thanks for the correction! i had probably conflated the django-based replacement for the pipermail webui and swapped django for java in my head | 14:37 |
| tosky | swapping django for java is pretty big O.o | 14:37 |
| fungi | for some reason i had it in my head that it was previously unpackaged/unpackagable java dependencies which were slowing down mailman3 packaging in debian | 14:38 |
| fungi | worse, i may also be mixing up mailman3 and bind10 in my head :/ | 14:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config master: Add lists.zuul-ci.org to local domains https://review.openstack.org/533329 | 14:42 |
| fungi | huh, nope bind10 seems to have been a mix of c++ and python | 14:45 |
| fungi | so now i have no idea what it was i was thinking of | 14:45 |
| fungi | and it looks like mailman3-suite finally made it into debian/sid a little under a month ago | 14:48 |
| fungi | and yeah, based on the itp bug log, seems to have been the hyperkitty deps holding it up | 14:49 |
| fungi | er, a little over a month ago i meant | 14:50 |
| fungi | so anyway, we may have it available in ubuntu 18.04 if we want to play with it then | 14:52 |
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| corvus | fungi, clarkb, mordred: ^ quick fix if you have a sec | 15:43 |
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| corvus | we're already handling dmarc correctly. dmarc is used to indicate that addresses at certain domains should only appear in 'from' headers if they originate from specific servers. it's so that muas can validate that users aren't getting phishing emails from 'paypal.com'. it's not appropriate for all domains. most domains that do so advise using a different domain for mailing list subscriptions. | 15:48 |
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| mordred | corvus: lgtm | 15:59 |
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| clarkb | corvus: do you not also need an A record for the web browsers? (AAAA too I suppose) | 16:04 |
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| corvus | clarkb: oh yes... well, we may as well just switch it out for a records | 16:14 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zone-zuul-ci.org master: Replace lists CNAME with A/AAAA https://review.openstack.org/533355 | 16:16 |
| corvus | clarkb, mordred, fungi: ^ | 16:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/zone-zuul-ci.org master: Replace lists CNAME with A/AAAA https://review.openstack.org/533355 | 16:29 |
| fungi | on the dmarc handling point, i completely agree but we could further reinforce that by setting one of the new mailman options to automatically reject posts from dmarc-enabled domains since the alternative (letting those through) has more of a negative impact on recipients whose mailservers reject listmail from dmarc senders | 16:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack-infra/storyboard master: fix rst heading styles https://review.openstack.org/533356 | 16:33 |
| fungi | i.e., sender posts from dmarc-signalling domain, recipient's mta deems the message from the listserv to violate dmarc and rejects it, listserv marks recipient as randomly bouncing list messages, recipient eventually gets their subscription put on hold | 16:33 |
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| corvus | ya | 16:34 |
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| fungi | basically taking the position that we reject the post on behalf of the subset of our subscribers who will end up inadvertently rejecting it otherwise | 16:35 |
| fungi | those extra features appear in 2.1.18 which is newer than the 2.1.16 in trusty but older than the 2.1.20 in xenial, so once we get lists.o.o on xenial we can revisit | 16:38 |
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| prometheanfire | mordred: mailman3 is python | 16:53 |
| prometheanfire | bah,,,, | 16:53 |
| prometheanfire | mordred: ignore me | 16:53 |
| prometheanfire | fungi: mailman3 is python | 16:53 |
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| fungi | prometheanfire: yep, tosky schooled me already | 17:39 |
| fungi | it's seen limited uptake so far, but hopefully now that it's in debian we'll see it filter into ubuntu and other debian derivatives | 17:40 |
| fungi | seems to have already made it into ubuntu bionic | 17:41 |
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| prometheanfire | fungi: it looks like python is using it | 17:43 |
| * fungi wishes he could remember what it was that was recently rewritten into java that he was confusing with it | 17:43 | |
| prometheanfire | dunno, must be horrible | 17:43 |
| fungi | https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo still says mailman version 2.1.25 | 17:44 |
| fungi | and their archives are still via pipermail rather than hyperkitty | 17:44 |
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| prometheanfire | hmm, wonder where I saw that | 17:45 |
| prometheanfire | maybe it was just a test | 17:45 |
| fungi | yeah, maybe they're in the process of rolling it to prod | 17:46 |
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| fungi | i'll be interested to see. i do subscribe to, post to and otherwise refer to their mailing lists | 17:47 |
| fungi | so i'll presumably notice when they switch | 17:47 |
| prometheanfire | yarp | 17:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Frank Kloeker proposed openstack-infra/puppet-zanata master: Change Zanata install medium to war files https://review.openstack.org/531809 | 17:59 |
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| clarkb | corvus: when you get a chance can you look at jeblairtest01? can we clean that server up? | 21:46 |
| clarkb | looks like cron spam from it is being rejecting because sender address is not know (missing reverse ptr record?) | 21:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack-infra/nodepool feature/zuulv3: Only decline requests if no cloud can service them https://review.openstack.org/533372 | 22:34 |
| corvus | clarkb: jeblairtest01 can be deleted; i'll do it by monday if no one else gets to it | 22:38 |
| corvus | it looks like even though the zone file on ads1 has been updated, the *signed* version hasn't -- to the best of my knowledge -- so the slaves are still serving the old data... i'm not sure what's going on there. | 22:38 |
| corvus | fungi: ^ maybe you have some debugging tips or can take a look | 22:39 |
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| corvus | normally the slaves get their data from axfr and store it in a binary db, but you can tell nsd to write it out to a zone file with 'nsd-control write'. | 22:40 |
| corvus | it looks like the serial is increasing on the signed zone file on the master, presumably becaus of the auto dns stuff, and the slaves are getting that... so i don't know what's missing to get from the plain zone file to the signed one. | 22:41 |
| corvus | i restarted bind on the master and did see a complaint in the log about 'cname and other data' which is the error you get when you have a cname for a record and anything else. but of course the change we just made replaced the cname with a/aaaa, so i don't know why it would emit that | 22:42 |
| corvus | perhaps there's something about the auto-dnssec stuff that's causing it to keep the old cname record around, but then hits that error? | 22:42 |
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