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| ianw | fungi: do you just make up your own MIB to do snmp? | 00:04 |
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| mtreinish | clarkb: while I like it that way, it causes me issues with state inspections, because mechanics often write down the km as miles and if someone is sharp enough to catch it and switch the odometer back to miles it looks like tampering with the odometer | 00:13 |
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| mtreinish | and the bolts on my mustang are a weird mix of metric and imperial too. I don't understand why | 00:15 |
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| fungi | ianw: there's a range of oids set aside for local/unofficial use | 00:17 |
| fungi | ianw: generally you just define the oid(s) in the snmpd.conf along with the callout executable paths they should run | 00:18 |
| fungi | and then you configure your monitoring system to query those oids | 00:18 |
| fungi | no need to define a mib for all of that unless you want to make it portable to other monitoring systems, generally | 00:18 |
| fungi | if i recall, the net-snmp docs have some examples, though it's been years since i did any of that | 00:19 |
| fungi | ianw: the main reason i questioned the mirror-update server as a place to do that stat collection is in case we end up switching mirror updates to become zuul jobs in the future and stop having a persistent server for that | 00:22 |
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| fungi | but it's pie-in-the-sky enough that i wouldn't block on that | 00:22 |
| ianw | fungi: we can move it to the fileservers, just have to install the client tools. or indeed just run the stats gathering as a periodic job too | 00:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed openstack-infra/openstack-zuul-jobs master: package-afs-centos: fix final copy https://review.openstack.org/574924 | 00:23 |
| ianw | ^ anyone hold enough of the rsync eccentricities in their head to evaluate if that will do what i think it does? | 00:24 |
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| ianw | pabelanger: i guess our wheel build jobs just got lucky enough that they didn't actually hit https://www.openafs.org/dl/openafs/1.6.22.3/RELNOTES-1.6.22.3 ? | 00:34 |
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| fungi | ianw: yes, 574924 should do what you want | 00:37 |
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| fungi | i had to re-figure out rsync's trailing slashes behavior over the weekend, so reasonably fresh on the mind | 00:37 |
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| ianw | pabelanger / dhellmann : ^ not super confident that's the right thing to do, but there is an issue i think. comments welcome :) | 01:49 |
| ianw | #status log yum-cron is now active on all git* hosts. some may have not had package updates for a while, so look at that first in case of issues | 01:57 |
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| ianw | i wonder what spikes the git http connections every 10 minutes : http://grafana02.openstack.org/d/MYvSHcSiz/git-load-balancer?panelId=21&fullscreen&orgId=1 | 02:00 |
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| tonyb | ianw: ^^ first attempt at filtering newton from the build_wheels script | 04:56 |
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| ianw | fungi: well i tried to launch a mirror node for you in packethost, but no luck : http://paste.openstack.org/show/723367/ ... not sure what network to use, none seemed to work. infra account maybe can't get a floating ip? | 05:20 |
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| AJaeger | config-core, could you merge https://review.openstack.org/574810 so that we can move forward with loci-* decommission, please? | 05:52 |
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| ianw | fungi: ^ ignore previous message, figured it out. i removed the floating ip's so shade could make some. i think it's ready to go now | 06:15 |
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| ykarel | any idea why https://review.openstack.org/#/c/574735/ is not going in gate queue | 07:38 |
| ykarel | should i recheck | 07:39 |
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| AJaeger | ykarel: two ideas: depends-on a not merged change? Based on another change that is not approved? | 07:40 |
| AJaeger | For the later: See "Related changes" to the right | 07:40 |
| ykarel | AJaeger, correct it's rebased over https://review.openstack.org/#/c/574502/, which is not approved | 07:42 |
| ykarel | AJaeger, Thanks | 07:42 |
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| flaper87 | would it be possible to lock the node used to run tripleo-ci-centos-7-scenario009-multinode-oooq for the PS 574233,6? I'm trying to debug an issue there and I could really use 1-1 time with the actual environment | 11:52 |
| flaper87 | my key: https://github.com/flaper87.keys | 11:52 |
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| mnaser | clarkb: ^ | 11:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config master: Fix ACLs for tripleo-ci and dib-utils https://review.openstack.org/573728 | 12:09 |
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| fungi | flaper87: i can add an autohold for openstack/tripleo-heat-templates 574233 tripleo-ci-centos-7-scenario009-multinode-oooq | 12:55 |
| flaper87 | fungi: thank you | 12:55 |
| fungi | flaper87: the autohold is in place. next time you check experimental and get the failure result, the node will stick around and then i can add your ssh key | 12:59 |
| fungi | i assume you've already fixed the broken dependency for that change | 12:59 |
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| flaper87 | fungi: on it | 13:01 |
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| flaper87 | fungi: done | 13:06 |
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| dansmith | is zuul auto-merge-conflicting things right now by chance? | 13:53 |
| dansmith | I just pushed up a review which got merge conflicted, but git tells me I'm up to date | 13:54 |
| fungi | dansmith: not to my knowledge, but please link an example and i'll try to investigate | 13:54 |
| dansmith | fungi: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/574792/ | 13:54 |
| fungi | thanks! digging into it now | 13:55 |
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| dansmith | oh | 13:56 |
| dansmith | heh | 13:56 |
| dansmith | fungi: I guess because the dependent change can't merge? | 13:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Migrate the API-SIG to StoryBoard https://review.openstack.org/575120 | 13:57 |
| fungi | right, that's usually what that error means. either your change or one it depends on isn't able to merge, so zuul can't build up the tree of repositories it needs to test it | 13:57 |
| dansmith | okay I guess I was thinking that it would test the dependent one in place and not rebase it | 13:57 |
| dansmith | but I guess that makes sense | 13:58 |
| dansmith | fungi: mah bad | 13:58 |
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| fungi | and yeah, 567876 looks like it needs a rebase with some merge conflict resolution or something | 13:58 |
| dansmith | yup | 13:58 |
| fungi | no problem! i'd rather have the occasional false alarm than not know something's actually broken | 13:58 |
| * dansmith notes that down | 13:59 | |
| fungi | reports from members of the community about suspected problems are always welcome | 13:59 |
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| corvus | in fact, they're especially welcome, as they're usually much easier to deal with than reports of *actual* problems. :) | 14:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | David Shrewsbury proposed openstack-infra/nodepool master: Make a proper driver notification API https://review.openstack.org/574896 | 14:22 |
| fungi | tuoché! | 14:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tobias Henkel proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: Retry queries for commits https://review.openstack.org/575137 | 14:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck master: Add query for tempest multi-create cells v1 bug 1776684 https://review.openstack.org/575139 | 14:51 |
| openstack | bug 1776684 in tempest "MultipleCreateTestJSON.test_multiple_create intermittently fails for cells v1 due to server name check change" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1776684 - Assigned to Matt Riedemann (mriedem) | 14:51 |
| spsurya | Jeffrey4l: when we have meeting today 16:00 or 15:00 UTC | 14:53 |
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| spsurya | sorry !! please ignore, wrong channel | 14:54 |
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| fungi | anybody tried to use launch-node.py with ubuntu bionic images in rackspace yet? | 15:28 |
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| fungi | looks like make_swap.sh invokes python directly pretty early in the process, and there is no python 2.7 preinstalled so dies with a command not found error on the python interpreter | 15:29 |
| clarkb | fungi: I expect python3 is available maybe just need to make it a python3 script | 15:30 |
| fungi | trying to decide between figuring out how to install the python package early enough in the process to work around that, or updating everything to use python3 (which i guess will have to be special-cased because that won't work on centos 7?) | 15:30 |
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| clarkb | mnaser: can you see comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/575089/1 and double check that everything is happy on your end for that update? | 15:33 |
| clarkb | mnaser: I think I found one minor issue | 15:33 |
| mnaser | ah | 15:33 |
| mnaser | you're right | 15:33 |
| clarkb | fungi: good point about centos7 | 15:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Mohammed Naser proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Switch flavor for Kata containers https://review.openstack.org/575089 | 15:33 |
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| mnaser | clarkb: ^ and AJaeger if you're around for the revision :> | 15:34 |
| clarkb | mnaser: thanks for checking. fungi might also review it for us too | 15:34 |
| fungi | happily | 15:34 |
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| clarkb | that will require a restart of the nl03 launcher | 15:37 |
| clarkb | Shrews: ^ we should be good to just do that though right? | 15:37 |
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| clarkb | actually | 15:38 |
| Shrews | clarkb: not seeing the context | 15:38 |
| clarkb | I take that back, we make a new provider when we update the provider config which should get new flavor data | 15:38 |
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| clarkb | Shrews: the issue is in some cases nodepool does not update its flavor list so if you add a new flavor nodepool doesn't necessarily see it | 15:39 |
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| clarkb | Shrews: but in this case because the new flavor is tied to a provider config update I think it will just work | 15:39 |
| mnaser | in the case last time, it was when the flavor had changed ids but same name | 15:39 |
| clarkb | it is only if you add the flavor to the cloud after nodepool's config is updated that is a problem | 15:39 |
| mnaser | so i think it had to recache the id | 15:39 |
| clarkb | mnaser: ya it was particular to the old case I think | 15:39 |
| Shrews | yeah, i'm not certain about what will happen there | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | fungi: ok, failure has been reported to the review: https://github.com/flaper87.keys | 15:43 |
| clarkb | Shrews: if we have to restart then it should be safe at this point though right? new new changes to nodepool zk schema since the restart on monday? | 15:44 |
| Shrews | clarkb: should be fine to restart | 15:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack-infra/openstack-zuul-jobs master: add test-release-openstack-python3 to publish-to-pypi-python3 https://review.openstack.org/574853 | 15:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack-infra/openstack-zuul-jobs master: remove publish-openstack-python-tarball https://review.openstack.org/574860 | 15:47 |
| fungi | flaper87: okay, the two nodes containing the multinode set are 158.69.69.16 and 158.69.69.159. you should be able to ssh into them as root using your key | 15:48 |
| fungi | let me know when you're done investigating so i can release them back into the pool | 15:48 |
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| flaper87 | thank you | 15:50 |
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| clarkb | fungi: we need python to execute ansible on the remote node or is it even earlier than that? | 15:58 |
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| dhellmann | I need some help with 3 reviews to finish setting up the first version of the python3 packaging jobs. I've put a list together in order in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/QJkCvqzhzo for when folks have time to do reviews | 16:00 |
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| fungi | clarkb: it's the first thing the script hits which is trying to invoke `python` | 16:03 |
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| fungi | i've got a workaround i'm testing now | 16:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Witold Bedyk proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Update list of Monasca repos for GerritBot https://review.openstack.org/575135 | 16:04 |
| clarkb | fungi: converting to print() from print statement makes it python3 safe can probably just check for python3 and fallback to python2 if no python3 | 16:05 |
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| clarkb | however I half expect that ansible might need python too but maybe it uses 3 if no other option? | 16:05 |
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| fungi | clarkb: the bigger problem is that we have shebangs and other direct `python` invocations too | 16:07 |
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| clarkb | ah | 16:07 |
| openstackgerrit | sebastian marcet proposed openstack-infra/openstackid-resources master: Fix on selection plans routing https://review.openstack.org/575156 | 16:07 |
| fungi | so could either add a symlink/alias from python to python3 (ugly) or just install python 2.7 on our servers until we get to the point where we only care about platforms which have python3 installed/installable | 16:08 |
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| fungi | i would have considered 3-ifying it all and making sure python3 is preinstalled, but that's hard to do on centos 7 | 16:08 |
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| fungi | next problem i'm hitting is "dpkg-deb: error: 'puppetlabs-release-bionic.deb' is not a Debian format archive" | 16:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | David Shrewsbury proposed openstack-infra/nodepool master: Pre-register static nodes https://review.openstack.org/574897 | 16:10 |
| openstackgerrit | David Shrewsbury proposed openstack-infra/nodepool master: Pre-register static nodes https://review.openstack.org/574897 | 16:10 |
| fungi | i think we wanted to use the ubuntu-packaged puppet packages on bionic instead? | 16:10 |
| fungi | i'll see where to set that | 16:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/elastic-recheck master: Add query for tempest multi-create cells v1 bug 1776684 https://review.openstack.org/575139 | 16:13 |
| openstack | bug 1776684 in tempest "MultipleCreateTestJSON.test_multiple_create intermittently fails for cells v1 due to server name check change" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1776684 - Assigned to Matt Riedemann (mriedem) | 16:13 |
| openstackgerrit | David Shrewsbury proposed openstack-infra/nodepool master: Pre-register static nodes https://review.openstack.org/574897 | 16:13 |
| fungi | looks like setting PUPPET_VERSION=3 in the calling environment for the install_puppet.sh invocation may just do it | 16:13 |
| fungi | er, export PUPPET_VERSION=4 i mean | 16:14 |
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| clarkb | ya I think if they have packages published for that version you should be set | 16:17 |
| anteaya | does centos have a python3 plan? | 16:17 |
| clarkb | cmurphy got our base stuff working on it and we have some testing now :) | 16:17 |
| fungi | yes, but they're not talking about it much | 16:17 |
| fungi | technically it's rhel's python 3 plan | 16:17 |
| fungi | rumor is that rhel 8 will only have python 3 | 16:18 |
| clarkb | aiui they can't confirm that rhel will have an 8th release | 16:18 |
| clarkb | but they can say that if the 8th releasehappens it will not have python2 and be python3 only | 16:18 |
| fungi | oh, right, rhel next major release | 16:18 |
| openstackgerrit | David Shrewsbury proposed openstack-infra/nodepool master: Clarify static node name uniqueness in docs https://review.openstack.org/575159 | 16:18 |
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| clarkb | but they also can't say which version of python3 they will use | 16:18 |
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| anteaya | why so tight lipped about it? | 16:18 |
| fungi | it's okay. it's not as if their users need to be able to plan for the future or anything | 16:18 |
| anteaya | exactly | 16:18 |
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| fungi | anteaya: i expect that they're worried that if they say one thing and then need to change their minds about it at the last minute, some of their paying customers might demand compensation for work they did based on false predictions | 16:19 |
| anteaya | wow | 16:19 |
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| fungi | easier to just say nothing | 16:19 |
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| anteaya | for them it is easier | 16:20 |
| mordred | anteaya: there is actually a weird US thing about companies making 'forward-looking' statements about unreleased products | 16:21 |
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| mordred | anteaya: it can affect revenue recognition for reasons I don't _fully_ understand | 16:22 |
| anteaya | what is 'revenue recognition'? | 16:22 |
| mordred | but most publicly traded us companies err on the side of "say nothing about what will be in a product until it is released" | 16:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/openstackid-resources master: Fix on selection plans routing https://review.openstack.org/575156 | 16:22 |
| anteaya | how long with the prior version be supported after the new thing is released? | 16:22 |
| mordred | anteaya: accounting something something about being able to actually show income on your balance sheets | 16:22 |
| mordred | anteaya: I think there _may_ actually even be SEC rules about it since the company is traded on the stock market | 16:23 |
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| anteaya | mordred, thanks for making an attempt at clarity | 16:23 |
| anteaya | really? | 16:23 |
| mordred | which is me saying - while it's totally silly - there are some areas of it where I don't think people have very much choice | 16:23 |
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| anteaya | I'll look into that thanks | 16:23 |
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| fungi | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward-looking_statement | 16:24 |
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| fungi | it's basically fallout from the great depression | 16:26 |
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| * anteaya reads | 16:26 | |
| openstackgerrit | David Shrewsbury proposed openstack-infra/nodepool master: Clarify static node name uniqueness in docs https://review.openstack.org/575159 | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | it's easier to tell people not to say anything at all than to craft the subtle message that would be ok ("will include at least python version x.y and be released no sooner than $date") | 16:27 |
| mordred | dhellmann: ++ | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | which is also easy to misconstrue as "on $date you will have python x.y" | 16:27 |
| mordred | "don't say anything" is easy to comply with | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | right | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | highly annoying and makes for difficult collaboration | 16:28 |
| mordred | yup | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | but "easy" | 16:28 |
| clarkb | I do think a lot of this pain would've been avoided if rhel added a python3 to the base install and straddles 2 and 3 like every other distro out there | 16:28 |
| clarkb | and you can do that without SEC concerns | 16:28 |
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| dtroyer | So infra-folk, I need to do a bit of ML debugging on starlingx-discuss. It is working for me (from GMail) and other Intel accounts but Wind River is getting bounces (http://paste.openstack.org/show/723398/, http://paste.openstack.org/show/723395/) that appear to be caused by lists.openstack.org. | 16:28 |
| clarkb | but I neither do finance nor run a distro so I shouldn't complain | 16:28 |
| mordred | clarkb: actually, the SEC also regulates python versions | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | I'm sure someone had reasons for not doing that, but they haven't shared them with me | 16:28 |
| clarkb | dtroyer: do they enforce DMARC? | 16:28 |
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| dtroyer | Can we confirm if lists.o.o is actually seeing that and returning the error? I wouldn't rule out some sort of 'transparent' proxy | 16:29 |
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| anteaya | I wonder if perhaps some of the US executive could be let in on the easy part of 'say nothing' | 16:29 |
| clarkb | dtroyer: ya we can take a look | 16:29 |
| dtroyer | clarkb: hmmm, good question | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | mordred : do you have some time today to take a look at a few py3 packaging job reviews? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/QJkCvqzhzo | 16:29 |
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| mordred | dtroyer: I do not see that message id in the mailing list server log | 16:30 |
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| fungi | dtroyer: starlingx-discuss@lists.openstack.org is not a valid mailing list address | 16:31 |
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| dhellmann | corvus : I could use your input on this ML thread about lib-forward-testing jobs when you have a few minutes. I think I have it worked out, but I'm not sure of the zuul variable http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-June/131466.html | 16:31 |
| dtroyer | mordred: ok, thanks. the second of those bounces was sent to starlingx-discuss@lists.openstack.org so I wouldn't expect it to be DNS-related | 16:31 |
| mordred | dhellmann: yah | 16:31 |
| dtroyer | fungi: hmmm… I've been insug it from GMail :) | 16:32 |
| mordred | dtroyer, fungi: that said, I see emails from chris.friesen@windriver.com in the logs | 16:32 |
| fungi | dtroyer: are you sure you're not using starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io? | 16:33 |
| dtroyer | fungi: nevermind, not the o.o one | 16:33 |
| clarkb | http://paste.openstack.org/show/723398/ is to ^ though | 16:33 |
| mordred | coming from mx1.edoxs1.iphmx.com | 16:33 |
| dtroyer | fungi: Chris tried both | 16:33 |
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| dhellmann | mordred : ty | 16:33 |
| clarkb | I don't see w5DF8 in the exim4 mainlog | 16:33 |
| fungi | ahh, okay, i looked at one and assumed wrongly they were both making the same mistake | 16:33 |
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| fungi | Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 Unrouteable address | 16:34 |
| dtroyer | mordred: that is interesting, not directly from WRS. | 16:34 |
| mordred | dtroyer: yah - all of the windriver stuff I see in the logs comes from that host | 16:34 |
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| clarkb | fungi: though that one has a mix of lists.o.o and lists.starlingx which is weird | 16:34 |
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| fungi | oh, yep | 16:34 |
| fungi | i think that's because it's following the cname | 16:35 |
| fungi | 550 5.1.1 <starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io>... User unknown | 16:35 |
| clarkb | ah | 16:35 |
| mordred | oth should work - yes, because of cname | 16:35 |
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| clarkb | mordred: well exim4 won't be able to deliver it if using the wrong domain since starlingx-discuss doesn't exist on lists.o.o | 16:35 |
| mordred | yah | 16:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Remove direct tagging from heat-cfntools ACL https://review.openstack.org/575072 | 16:35 |
| mordred | I would expect exim to complain about the recipient - but I'd expect it to log that because it would have physically received the connection | 16:36 |
| dtroyer | one more bit of info from Chris: I also noticed that the "To" address is displayed as "mailto:starlingx-discuss@lists.openstack.org" even though replying to the list uses "mailto:starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io". This seems odd. | 16:36 |
| clarkb | mordred: ya not seeing the id at all is wierd | 16:36 |
| fungi | 2018-06-13 14:44:48 H=mail5.windriver.com (mail5.wrs.com) [192.103.53.11] F=<Brent.Rowsell@windriver.com> rejected RCPT <starlingx-discuss@lists.openstack.org>: Unrouteable address | 16:36 |
| clarkb | ah ok so they are using the wrong address to send to probably based on ^ | 16:37 |
| fungi | in the exim manilog | 16:37 |
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| mordred | fungi: oh - good - that's what I was looking for and not finding | 16:37 |
| fungi | i'm still looking for any where they sent to the lists.starlingx.io address | 16:38 |
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| fungi | i'm also seeing what looks like address confirmation replies bouncing for them for similar reasons | 16:38 |
| dtroyer | fungi: the first bounce (http://paste.openstack.org/show/723398/) shows it leaving using lists.opensyack.org (line 68). there we go | 16:39 |
| corvus | cnames can not appear in the recipient address in smtp. mtas typically resolve this by rewriting the address. so a user behind a well-behaved mta will have their envelope recipient rewritten to openstack.org. | 16:39 |
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| clarkb | unrelated, but if anyone asks why zuul is "slow" today it looks like a large number of tripleo changes are in the gate adn they have reset the full queue at least once after a failure in the head change | 16:39 |
| clarkb | corvus: aha so we have to update DNS? | 16:40 |
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| fungi | yeah | 16:40 |
| clarkb | lists.starlingx.io A $ip rather than lists.starlingx.io CNAME lists.openstack.org ? | 16:40 |
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| fungi | looks like we need to fix dns for lists.airshipit.org too | 16:40 |
| fungi | i can take care of it now | 16:41 |
| corvus | yep | 16:41 |
| fungi | i probably did one or both of those mistakes | 16:41 |
| corvus | (it would be okay if we were routing only by localpart, but part of our design for the multi-domain hosting was to keep the domains independent) | 16:41 |
| fungi | oh, i bet an mx record would also have been appropriate | 16:42 |
| fungi | mx records _can_ appear as the domain part | 16:42 |
| fungi | would we rather have mx or a/aaaa? | 16:42 |
| corvus | fungi: maybe let's try mx? | 16:42 |
| fungi | on it | 16:42 |
| clarkb | MX is a name though not an IP? | 16:43 |
| fungi | right | 16:43 |
| clarkb | so it would still go through the cname if we keep that? | 16:43 |
| fungi | oh, though we also want to use the same name for web content | 16:43 |
| fungi | so we need a/aaaa | 16:43 |
| AJaeger | config-core, let's retire loci-*, please - final change is https://review.openstack.org/548268 | 16:43 |
| clarkb | I guess zuul-ci.org's bind config will illustrate how it should look | 16:44 |
| fungi | cname solves the http conundrum but breaks (some) smtp. mx solves for smtp but doesn't get us http | 16:44 |
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| corvus | lists.starlingx.io mx lists.openstack.org ? | 16:44 |
| corvus | what breaks http? | 16:44 |
| fungi | corvus: we still need something to resolve lists.starlingx.io to an address somewhere so that http://lists.starlingx.io/ will work | 16:45 |
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| corvus | oh for archives | 16:45 |
| clarkb | ya | 16:45 |
| fungi | yup | 16:45 |
| fungi | and web-based subscription and preferences manglement | 16:45 |
| dtroyer | I think you'll need both MX and A/AAAA | 16:45 |
| corvus | then yeah, i think we're at A records | 16:45 |
| clarkb | AJaeger: I've approved it | 16:46 |
| corvus | we don't need mx with A | 16:46 |
| clarkb | AJaeger: I guess all the zuul config has been removed making it safe to remove it from main.yaml? | 16:46 |
| dtroyer | they're going to the same place? | 16:46 |
| corvus | dtroyer: yep | 16:46 |
| clarkb | AJaeger: that isn't actually self testing I think because it is in project-config which is trusted | 16:46 |
| dtroyer | roger I'm not usually that lucky | 16:46 |
| clarkb | corvus: ^ when not thinking about lists can you double check those statements about retiring loci-* from zuul main.yaml ? | 16:46 |
| corvus | fungi: sorry i didn't remember all this earlier | 16:46 |
| AJaeger | clarkb: yes, all looked fine | 16:47 |
| fungi | hey, i'm pretty sure i was the one who stuck the cname in those domains, so fault's mine. i should have remembered that nugget of dns lore as well | 16:47 |
| AJaeger | clarkb: you wanted to discuss testing of playbooks or something like that? Do you have time now? | 16:47 |
| corvus | clarkb, AJaeger: it's not tested, but it's syntax validated, so should be ok to merge. | 16:48 |
| fungi | #status log switched lists.airshipit.org and lists.starlingx.io dns records from cname to a/aaaa for proper mail routing | 16:48 |
| openstackstatus | fungi: finished logging | 16:48 |
| clarkb | corvus: cool | 16:48 |
| fungi | dtroyer: ttl on the old cnames was 5 minutes, so should resolve itself in short order now | 16:48 |
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| corvus | fungi: well, we had a conversation a month ago where i remembered almost everything about this except i didn't make the connection that we wouldn't route the message correctly because we would receive it with the wrong domain. we said we'd try it with airship and see if it worked. | 16:49 |
| dtroyer | fungi: thanks, I'll have them try again in a bit | 16:49 |
| fungi | three cheers for the robustness principle, i suppose | 16:50 |
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| dtroyer | fungi: one more quick question: who are the list moderators for those? | 16:54 |
| dtroyer | starlingx-discuss and -announce | 16:54 |
| fungi | dtroyer: it should say on the list summary pages for them | 16:54 |
| fungi | dtroyer: looks like jbryce at the moment | 16:54 |
| fungi | http://lists.starlingx.io/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/starlingx-discuss | 16:55 |
| fungi | at the bottom | 16:55 |
| dtroyer | I don't see that | 16:55 |
| fungi | "Starlingx-discuss list run by jonathan at openstack.org" | 16:55 |
| jbryce | i'm happy to add moderators/replace myself | 16:55 |
| dtroyer | duh, I searched for jbryce :) | 16:56 |
| dtroyer | jbryce: I can hold that baton while we figure out who really should have it | 16:56 |
| jbryce | ok. i'll add you | 16:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: Allow zuul_return in untrusted jobs https://review.openstack.org/575173 | 16:57 |
| jbryce | dtroyer: added your gmail account | 16:58 |
| dtroyer | thanks | 16:58 |
| clarkb | another tripleo gate reset | 16:58 |
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| clarkb | mwhahaha: EmilienM ^ not sure if you are aware of that, but it looks like it may be a bumpy tripleo gate right now | 16:58 |
| mwhahaha | yea containers | 16:58 |
| mwhahaha | we're aware | 16:58 |
| EmilienM | weshay|ruck ^ | 16:58 |
| mwhahaha | appears to be some issues talking to docker.io | 16:59 |
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| weshay|ruck | it's redirecting | 16:59 |
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| clarkb | everyone is trying that new docker desktop | 16:59 |
| weshay|ruck | https://registry-1.docker.io/v2/tripleomaster/centos-binary-tripleo-ui/tags/list | 16:59 |
| weshay|ruck | 7 gate failures today in tripleo, not all related to this by any means | 17:00 |
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| fungi | clarkb: new wrinkle... ubuntu has puppet 5 in bionic. puppetlabs has a puppet5-release-bionic.deb (which is obviously 5) and a puppet-release-bionic.deb (which i suspect is 5 as well?) | 17:02 |
| weshay|ruck | crud another one "2018-06-13 16:50:30.487644 | primary | /home/zuul/workspace/devstack-gate/functions.sh: line 184: declare: gate_hook: not found | 17:02 |
| weshay|ruck | " | 17:02 |
| clarkb | fungi: does puppetlabs publish 4 for bionic? | 17:03 |
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| fungi | clarkb: i don't see one on http://apt.puppetlabs.com/ | 17:03 |
| fungi | unless that's what the puppet-release-bionic.deb is | 17:03 |
| clarkb | fungi: I think puppet4 is largely forward compat with puppet5 but I think we'd have to update a lot of stuff to accept 5 too and add testing and all that | 17:05 |
| clarkb | cmurphy probably has more of it paged in than me | 17:05 |
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| cmurphy | i've been told by a puppet employee that they are not going to do puppet 4 for bionic | 17:06 |
| lseki | hi | 17:07 |
| fungi | http://apt.puppetlabs.com/pool/bionic/puppet/p/puppet-agent/ does indeed look like only 5 | 17:07 |
| lseki | I'm requesting a couple of rechecks on this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572188/ | 17:07 |
| lseki | but devstack-multinode always fails at the task orchestrate-devstack : Discover hosts | 17:07 |
| lseki | it says IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/tmp/console-None.log' | 17:07 |
| lseki | do anyone know if it's an expected error? | 17:07 |
| clarkb | lseki: that is a known side effect of the ansible 2.5 update. We are currently working to fix it | 17:08 |
| fungi | corvus: ^ looks like another instance of https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2002528 | 17:08 |
| anteaya | lseki, and corvus had recently requested knowledge of new instances of the bug, so thanks for reporting | 17:09 |
| clarkb | lseki: we should send out mail to the dev list once it is fixed to give everyone the all clear | 17:10 |
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| fungi | clarkb: cmurphy: i'm giving a basic bionic server a shot with puppet 5 to see if enough of our core server puppetry will work | 17:12 |
| lseki | oh, ok. I'll subscribe to this story | 17:12 |
| lseki | thank you! | 17:12 |
| cmurphy | fungi: exciting | 17:13 |
| fungi | i'm not getting my hopes up | 17:13 |
| anteaya | fungi do you ever? | 17:13 |
| clarkb | I think our conditions may be all if 4 then this if 3 then that else fail | 17:13 |
| clarkb | we can update that to be if <=3 then foo else if > 3 bar | 17:13 |
| corvus | clarkb, lseki, fungi, anteaya: thanks, that specific case is known and we're working on it. | 17:14 |
| corvus | (the devstack-multinode job) | 17:14 |
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| fungi | ahh, yep i see that's the one mentioned in the story description | 17:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config master: Decom loci-* repos https://review.openstack.org/548268 | 17:21 |
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| fungi | okay, this is weird. now the error i'm hitting is that `/etc/ansible/hosts/openstack --list` is broken on puppetmaster.o.o, with a 404 getting raised by https://auth.vexxhost.net/v2.0/tokens | 17:35 |
| clarkb | fungi: it needs inventory and that relies on apis being up | 17:35 |
| fungi | i wonder if we have a misconfiguration in our clouds.yaml | 17:35 |
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| fungi | oh, is vexxhost's keystone under maintenance | 17:36 |
| fungi | ? | 17:36 |
| clarkb | I ran against vexxhost not too long ago to check the new flavor type | 17:36 |
| clarkb | so unless we changed somethign in the last 2 hours its probably not on our end | 17:36 |
| clarkb | oh its using v2 there | 17:37 |
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| fungi | yeah, i was thinking that should be v3 | 17:37 |
| clarkb | it works if I use our clouds.yaml and flavor list still | 17:37 |
| clarkb | I think whatever clouds.yaml you are using must be telling it to v2? | 17:37 |
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| fungi | are you able to `/etc/ansible/hosts/openstack --list` on puppetmaster.o.o at the moment? | 17:38 |
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| clarkb | fungi: no, even if I set the clouds.yaml file to be the same fiel as what works with osc | 17:40 |
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| clarkb | if I had to guess we were using v2 against vexxhost all along and vexxhost just removed v2 nowish | 17:43 |
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| fungi | and shade/ksa won't auto-discover that it needs to talk v3? | 17:43 |
| clarkb | we don't set a domain name so I guess not | 17:44 |
| clarkb | osc must be smart and try default orsimilar if no domain is set otherwise | 17:44 |
| clarkb | fungi: Ithink if we add the domain info to the clouds.yaml it should work | 17:45 |
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| clarkb | I don't actually know what our domain is now though | 17:45 |
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| clarkb | and I can't list domains | 17:46 |
| fungi | mordred: ^ you likely have a better handle on this | 17:46 |
| fungi | i'm a bit out of my depth on this one | 17:46 |
| clarkb | default is apparently 'default' in osc so I think we try that as a domain name | 17:46 |
| clarkb | I can hand edit the file, give me a sec | 17:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Felipe Monteiro proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Add use-storyboard: True to Patrole https://review.openstack.org/575182 | 17:48 |
| clarkb | seems to not be crashing when I run the openstack --list command | 17:48 |
| clarkb | but not returning quickly either | 17:48 |
| clarkb | that fixed it will get a patch up | 17:48 |
| mordred | fungi, clarkb: reading scrollback | 17:49 |
| mordred | clarkb, fungi: we need to add | 17:49 |
| mordred | user_domain_id: default | 17:49 |
| mordred | project_domain_id: default | 17:49 |
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| clarkb | yup that is what I tested I will get a patch up as soon as I can push to gerrit which is apparently an issue right now? | 17:50 |
| fungi | aha, cool | 17:50 |
| mordred | woot | 17:51 |
| clarkb | does anyone else have dns problems looking up review.o.o | 17:51 |
| fungi | nope, but mine may be cached | 17:51 |
| mordred | discover of whether to use v2 or v3 for auth is based on whether you pass domain information in as part of your auth parameters or not | 17:51 |
| cmurphy | i'm loling that we were one of mnaser's last v2 users | 17:51 |
| mordred | also nope - dns for review.o.o works fine for me | 17:51 |
| clarkb | ya digging at my upstream works | 17:51 |
| clarkb | I wonder if we got into a blacklist I subscribe to | 17:52 |
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| clarkb | that would be interesting | 17:52 |
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| clarkb | let me edit /etc/hosts for now | 17:52 |
| fungi | i got a report that the edge-computing@l.o.o ml had a bunch of people unsubscribed for excessive bounces today, from a variety of domains | 17:53 |
| mordred | I can't resolve lists.openstack.org | 17:53 |
| fungi | wha? | 17:54 |
| mordred | wait - nevermind | 17:54 |
| fungi | i'm resolving that fine | 17:54 |
| mordred | I can't type | 17:54 |
| clarkb | I can't resolve that either but usptream of me it resolves | 17:54 |
| fungi | i usually have that problem | 17:54 |
| mnaser | cmurphy: lol, what are the odds. I would frequently make runs to identify potential users from networks but I guess this was a small one | 17:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Move openstack-python-jobs to os-api-ref repo https://review.openstack.org/575183 | 17:54 |
| mnaser | I’d suggest updating others providers to include domain info | 17:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack-infra/system-config master: Update vexxhost to use keystone v3 auth https://review.openstack.org/575184 | 17:55 |
| clarkb | fungi: ^ you may need to manually update clouds.yaml again after that merges to get puppet to run and apply it | 17:56 |
| mnaser | mordred: does the auth_type: v3pssword change in profiles help this use case? | 17:56 |
| clarkb | I need to figure out why my dns broke | 17:56 |
| clarkb | mnaser: no, still have to provide the domain info which if provided will assume v3 aiui | 17:56 |
| mordred | mnaser: it does not - because v3password requires domain info | 17:56 |
| fungi | clarkb: thanks, noted | 17:56 |
| mordred | providing v3password will just cause an error message to be printed aout missing paraemters | 17:56 |
| mnaser | Okay that’s a lot more straightforward than V2 404 | 17:57 |
| mordred | yah | 17:57 |
| mnaser | So we’ll continue wit that change | 17:57 |
| mordred | ++ | 17:57 |
| mordred | it's still an accurate change | 17:57 |
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| clarkb | openstack doesn't show up in my blocker logs hrm | 18:02 |
| clarkb | dns may just be broken then | 18:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: Allow zuul_return in untrusted jobs https://review.openstack.org/575173 | 18:03 |
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| fungi | okay, progress. next i'm failing on https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/ansible-role-puppet/tree/tasks/main.yml#n27 | 18:06 |
| fungi | not sure what the best way is to test the launch-node.py script with a patched ansible-role-puppet | 18:07 |
| clarkb | disabling dns over tls appears to have fixed it. cue conspiracy theories | 18:07 |
| clarkb | either cloudflare decided to stop resolving openstack.org over tls or my isp is playing hardball | 18:08 |
| clarkb | I'll run without tls for now | 18:08 |
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| clarkb | reminder we are talking winterstack naming in just under an hour | 18:08 |
| clarkb | I'm gonna afk for a bit now prior to that | 18:08 |
| fungi | clarkb: one of the first casualties of the net neutrality repeal? ;) | 18:09 |
| clarkb | fungi: as much as I hope not it wouldn't surprise me | 18:09 |
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| fungi | okay, looks like "office 365" has decided to start rejecting e-mail from our listserv | 18:11 |
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| clarkb | I suppose it could be a bug in unbound after running for a month doing tls | 18:11 |
| clarkb | fungi: yes they dmarc | 18:11 |
| clarkb | kata ran itno this | 18:11 |
| clarkb | we may need to globally apply the treat dmarc enforcers as special config | 18:12 |
| fungi | "Your mail server's IP address, that is, the address your mail server uses to identify itself on the Internet, was tagged as a potential threat to Office 365 for one of a variety of reasons." | 18:12 |
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| clarkb | ok really afk now. back before 1900 | 18:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: Allow zuul_return in untrusted jobs https://review.openstack.org/575173 | 18:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config master: Switch flavor for Kata containers https://review.openstack.org/575089 | 18:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: Allow zuul_return in untrusted jobs https://review.openstack.org/575173 | 18:31 |
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| fungi | mailman3 is also packaged in debian stretch, and while puppetlabs only has puppet 5 for stretch, stretch itself has puppet 4! | 18:34 |
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| fungi | well, technically mailman3 is in stretch-backports, but still | 18:38 |
| clarkb | I've realized that the above flavor update may break vexxhost in nodepool until the clouds.yaml update happens | 18:39 |
| fungi | i'll just go ahead and emergency approve it | 18:39 |
| clarkb | or we can direct enqueue to the gate | 18:39 |
| clarkb | I'm happy either way | 18:39 |
| fungi | yeah, i was thinking the same | 18:40 |
| fungi | have to approve it to do that anyway | 18:40 |
| clarkb | looks like you enqueued it too, thanks | 18:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Move openstack-python-jobs to os-api-ref repo https://review.openstack.org/575183 | 18:43 |
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| anteaya | standing by for the discussion, thunderstorm warning issued and grumbly sky | 18:47 |
| anteaya | hope I can remain connected | 18:47 |
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| anteaya | dropped once already :( | 18:59 |
| clarkb | jbryce: 1900UTC wednesday is nowish | 18:59 |
| clarkb | jbryce: still a good time? | 18:59 |
| jbryce | yep. i'm around but wrapping up a call. probably need like....45 more seconds = ) | 19:00 |
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| ianw | morning! | 19:00 |
| clarkb | ianw: good morning | 19:00 |
| clarkb | anteaya: therewill be logs at the very least | 19:00 |
| anteaya | clarkb, that helps except I don't get to play | 19:01 |
| anteaya | the sky went all wizard of oz on me, I don't think I will be last long | 19:01 |
| jbryce | ok, i'm ready if y'all are | 19:01 |
| anteaya | very fast | 19:01 |
| anteaya | ready | 19:01 |
| fungi | welcome! | 19:02 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 19:02 |
| clarkb | fungi: you've been doing formal start meetings with the TC do we want to do that here? | 19:02 |
| clarkb | may help wtih note taking? | 19:02 |
| fungi | sure, if you like | 19:02 |
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| fungi | may be a little noisy of a log just by virtue of our gerritbot and whatnot, but can't hurt | 19:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config master: Update vexxhost to use keystone v3 auth https://review.openstack.org/575184 | 19:03 |
| clarkb | #startmeeting winterstack_naming | 19:03 |
| fungi | case in point ^ | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 13 19:03:11 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'winterstack_naming' | 19:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Colleen Murphy proposed openstack-infra/puppet-cgit master: Update Gemfile for Zuulv3 https://review.openstack.org/571987 | 19:03 |
| jbryce | so what if start out by just putting out there what i think we're talking about and trying to name/brand and y'all can tell me where i'm wrong, and then i can talk about some steps for working towards a name | 19:03 |
| clarkb | jbryce: sounds good | 19:03 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:03 |
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| jbryce | over the years, we've built up a set of tools and services to enable the "openstack way" of collaborating, including code management and communications tools. there's a feeling that these are too tightly coupled to the openstack project because of their existing naming schemes and we'd like to come up with another way to refer to them so that they are available to other projects that could benefit from the same tools | 19:07 |
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| fungi | that sounds like an accurate summary to me | 19:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Colleen Murphy proposed openstack-infra/puppet-cgit master: Update Gemfile for Zuulv3 https://review.openstack.org/571987 | 19:07 |
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| clarkb | yup that sounds right to me | 19:08 |
| jbryce | ok cool | 19:08 |
| jbryce | and this name should stand on its own from the openstack project or openstack foundation | 19:09 |
| ianw | this isn't about a "puppet-openstackci" type thing though, where we support "replicating" openstack-infra locally in your environment though, correct? it's about traditionally non-openstack things using the existing infrastructure we have? | 19:09 |
| mordred | yes | 19:09 |
| clarkb | yes, I think one of the specific concerns by "others" is that they are not openstack and don't want to be openstack so something "neutral" is helpful | 19:09 |
| clarkb | my yes was to jbryce but also yes to ianw | 19:10 |
| mordred | me too | 19:10 |
| jbryce | ianw: my understanding is that we're talking about the actual hosted instances of the tools | 19:10 |
| ianw | ++ thanks for clarifying | 19:10 |
| fungi | yes | 19:11 |
| mnaser | o/ | 19:11 |
| mnaser | (late but better than ever) | 19:11 |
| jbryce | when i think about those services, i obviously include git/gerrit services, but i also think things like etherpad/calc, storyboard and other things could be part of the overall "suite" of tools | 19:11 |
| fungi | case in point, the other day we were asked if etherpad.openstack.org was available by any other domain names because there was something going on at kubecon and they wanted to take some notes on our etherpad but didn't want to use something with openstack in the domain | 19:12 |
| cmurphy | i'm curious about the part about standing on its own free from the foundation, i'd been assuming that this team's mission was in large part about serving the projects presided over by the foundation | 19:12 |
| fungi | it's about serving those projects, but not about serving the foundation itself, in my opinion | 19:13 |
| fungi | subtle distinction, perhaps? | 19:13 |
| cmurphy | hmm okay | 19:13 |
| fungi | the services are nto being run by the openstack foundation, they're being run by volunteers | 19:13 |
| fungi | er, s/nto/not/ | 19:13 |
| lsell | but also projects that are not hosted at the openstack foundation, right? i thought that might be cmurphy question | 19:13 |
| mordred | yah. I don't think it's so much about being separate from the foundation - as in being separate from the first/primary project (openstack) it grew to serve | 19:13 |
| jbryce | it's a good question. we've allowed related/stackforge projects to use git for years | 19:13 |
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| fungi | sure, that too certainly. what we used to refer to as "stackforge" | 19:14 |
| mordred | yup | 19:14 |
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| mordred | I'd also like to consider the possibility of offering our services more broadly as we think about naming - even if we don't do so immediately | 19:14 |
| jbryce | my guess is that the primary consumers would be foundation managed projects | 19:14 |
| mordred | so - if, say, drizzle wanted to ressurrect and use winterscale - that we'd be organized such that that would be decently feasible | 19:15 |
| mordred | but yes, I agree with what jbryce just said | 19:15 |
| fungi | and the possible governance structure corvus has proposed involves representatives from those top-level foundation projects | 19:15 |
| jbryce | but in terms of naming...like "osf-infra.org" might be to tightly coupled | 19:15 |
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| corvus | so in short, a name for a service which provides our traditional infrastructure tooling to all projects under the foundations umbrella, almost certainly projects informally related to those, and possibly, in the future, projects even less directly affiliated. | 19:16 |
| mordred | corvus: ++ | 19:16 |
| fungi | yep | 19:16 |
| jbryce | ok cool | 19:16 |
| jbryce | so when thinking about branding and naming, there are all kinds of approaches to it | 19:17 |
| jbryce | in the thread i saw, there were a lot of domain names flying around, which is a good thing to think about eventually, but i think it might be good to get some of the higher level things we want to communicate first. i'm sure y'all have had some of these discussions already, but it would be helpful for me to hear about it | 19:18 |
| jbryce | i put together an etherpad earlier today where we could capture some ideas https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-services-naming | 19:19 |
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| jbryce | one of the best branding people i worked with always said that great names had some common characteristics they 1) are short, simple to say (or spell) 2) are memorable 3) imply the category and 4) imply the difference within that category | 19:21 |
| jbryce | hitting all 4 is really hard to do. especially if you want the domain name for it. = ) | 19:21 |
| clarkb | no kidding | 19:21 |
| jbryce | but i think they're good goals to shoot for, because ultimately, it means you're communicating a lot every time your name gets used anywhere | 19:22 |
| jbryce | his favorite example was "thinsulate." mine is probably "jet ski" but in our space "github" was actually pretty good as well | 19:23 |
| mordred | yup | 19:23 |
| jbryce | and as you start to work your way towards names, there are different types of names - you can have straight up descriptive names, symbolic names, whimsical names, or "empty vessel" names that have no meaning or are invented words (again because of domain names a lot of times) | 19:24 |
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| fungi | i recall one company i worked for renamed to a nonsense word because it would be easier to get a trademark on it (we already had the domain name for the old name which was an actual dictionary word) | 19:25 |
| jbryce | the 1st 2 kinds are usually faster to build brand equity around than the last 2, but i think they can all work | 19:25 |
| jbryce | that spiel is a bit of background about my thoughts in general on naming and branding. basically what i have as goals when trying to pick a name. any feedback on that part? | 19:27 |
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| mordred | jbryce: sounds good to me and makes sense | 19:28 |
| fungi | no questions on my end | 19:28 |
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| jbryce | coo. if people think that part makes sense then it will give us some goal posts to talk about short listed names when we get to that point | 19:29 |
| jbryce | so the etherpad has 3 sections at the top that are really about describing the brand of these services | 19:29 |
| jbryce | the first section is basically a place to throw words or phrases that you would love to have associated with the services. i see some good ones in there already | 19:30 |
| jbryce | the second section is to try to list out some of the things that would make these services different than other alternatives like github/gitlab/etc (doesn't have to be "better than" just "different than") | 19:30 |
| jbryce | and the third section is to list out the kinds people or organizations that should be interested in it and anything that is identifying about them | 19:31 |
| jbryce | the #freebrainstorm section is a place to put name proposals no matter how good, bad, taken, impractical they might be and the short list is something to gather top candidates in | 19:32 |
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| jbryce | there's some really good stuff in those sections | 19:40 |
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| jbryce | reading through, it makes me think about one of the things we saw leading into the last summit in vancouver. we do some basic advertising for the summit and some of the most effective ads had this theme of "let's do this" | 19:41 |
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| fungi | mordred sure loves his farm animals | 19:42 |
| jbryce | like "let's build open infrastructure" or "let's secure the cloud" or things like that...the collaboration and working on things seemed to be appealing | 19:42 |
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| mordred | jbryce: yes. I like that. there's another facet of that I'd love to capture but don't have good words for ... | 19:43 |
| jbryce | so it's interesting that's an really prevalent idea here too. the collaboration in the sense of enabling collaboration with the tools and services, but also in the sense that the services themselves are a collaboration | 19:43 |
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| clarkb | I've now got a goat bleat playing in my head | 19:43 |
| mnaser | and collaboration across communities imho | 19:43 |
| mordred | jbryce: which is where "let's do this" diverges from "jfdi" - to me, "let's do this" is about getting stuff done but not burning the world in the process ... because long-term sustaintability is also important | 19:44 |
| jbryce | the services are made up of other tools that were collaboratively developed across communities, they are operated collaboratively, and they enable collaboration | 19:44 |
| jbryce | mordred: yeah i agree | 19:44 |
| jbryce | it's also an invite | 19:44 |
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| mordred | yes. let's do this ... together | 19:45 |
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| mordred | "Let us go then, you and I." | 19:45 |
| fungi | when the evening is set out against the sky | 19:46 |
| AJaeger | In an open way - "Let us go then, you and I and let's do it public"? | 19:46 |
| mordred | AJaeger: ++ | 19:46 |
| mordred | fungi: ++ | 19:46 |
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| jbryce | "let us git" | 19:47 |
| jbryce | let us gate | 19:47 |
| fungi | veering close to letsencrypt | 19:47 |
| sparkycollier___ | Let's git, together | 19:47 |
| jbryce | and feel all right | 19:47 |
| mordred | fwiw, I mis-remembered the prufrock at first and got myself to ulysses: "Come, my friends, 'Tis not to late to seek a newer world." | 19:47 |
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| AJaeger | seek - or build? | 19:48 |
| mordred | AJaeger: ++ | 19:48 |
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| ianw | is the idea to move to a self-service model, al-la github/gitlab/git* ? few clicks and you have repo and gerrit etc etc? or maintain our current status quo of slightly more overview? | 19:48 |
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| fungi | ianw: i think more self-service has always been a goal, but i don't think we need to tie the two together | 19:49 |
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| clarkb | I'd worry that if we tied them together the effort required initially may be large | 19:49 |
| mordred | yah. I'd like to have some more self-service available - but also have the ability for a project, such as OpenStack, to chose that it desires some amount of centralized oversight | 19:49 |
| fungi | as long as the project is also willing to provide that oversight | 19:50 |
| mordred | but eventually ... totally agree with clarkb that tying them together at the outset is rife for failure | 19:50 |
| mordred | fungi: yes | 19:50 |
| ianw | i do worry with more self service we tend towards things open projects often handle badly, such as monitoring for abuse etc | 19:50 |
| mordred | ianw: ++ | 19:50 |
| fungi | right, there will be a delicate balance | 19:51 |
| lsell | i really like the "let's do this" messaging but also think it could be incorporated into a tagline if it doesn't fit into the name | 19:51 |
| mordred | ianw: I think we should prioritize providing good service over attempting to be fully self-service | 19:51 |
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| mordred | lsell: ++ | 19:51 |
| jbryce | lsell: this is a #FREEBRAINSTORM! your favorite part of the process | 19:51 |
| mordred | I don't want to say many negaitves, but a non-goal is becoming a github clone | 19:51 |
| fungi | anyway, the degree of future oversight is probably mostly orthogonal to the naming exercise | 19:52 |
| lsell | oops sorry :) | 19:52 |
| mordred | fungi: sake-of-argument - white-glove service is a potential feature we could want to focus on that might influence naming | 19:53 |
| fungi | yes, i can imagine ways in which the two would be related, hence my hedge words ;) | 19:54 |
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| mordred | :) | 19:55 |
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| clarkb | Our hour is almost up (though not sure we formally made this an hour long meeting), want to amke sure we wrap up with some future direction if we do have to end soon | 19:55 |
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| jbryce | well...i like the stuff that's going into the etherpad. here's what i would suggest for moving forward from here. over the next couple of days, keep fleshing out the top 3 sections and also put potential names in the #freebrainstorm section | 19:56 |
| jbryce | i'll try to get some foundation staffers to look through it with their creative hats on too and throw some additional ideas or alternatives | 19:56 |
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| jbryce | then next week try to come up with a shortlist of 5-10 names that people like | 19:57 |
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| fungi | that sounds doable | 19:57 |
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| jbryce | at that point, we can go a couple of directions...either a vote around it, or start to do some of the next level deeper research on things like domains, trademarks, inappropriate meanings in non-english, etc = ) | 19:58 |
| lsell | jbryce, could we also add a section in the etherpad with anticipated uses? for example, it was eye opening for me when I thought about the name in context of etherpad.XX.org or storyboard.XX.org etc? | 19:58 |
| jbryce | i was going to do that earlier, but......i couldn't find the other etherpad where we had started listing out the services | 19:59 |
| lsell | and just to gut check that i'm thinking about it in the correct way...in terms of the broader services | 19:59 |
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| jbryce | but yes, we should do that | 19:59 |
| lsell | ok | 19:59 |
| mnaser | lsell: i think that's a good point, we can list a few of the basic services like gerrit/review, etherpad, ethercalc, storyboard, zuul | 19:59 |
| fungi | it's potentially just about all the services we're not already separately whiteboxing | 19:59 |
| mnaser | https://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/systems.html | 19:59 |
| ianw | should we setup an indication-only vote to whittle it down to the short-list? or delegate pruning it to someone(s)? (both?) | 20:00 |
| mnaser | yay for docs | 20:00 |
| corvus | also, the domain name may end up typed in a lot of shell commands. eg: "git clone https://git.openstack.org/openstack/nova" | 20:00 |
| mordred | yah - I think we may want to offer some of the services optionally whitelabeled | 20:00 |
| mnaser | corvus: yes, that was a big important one for me, openstack is quite easy to type out generally | 20:00 |
| fungi | er, whitelabelling, yes. i got my terms confused | 20:00 |
| jbryce | so git.thebestfreesoftwareinfrastructure.org is not ideal | 20:01 |
| mnaser | ++ | 20:01 |
| clarkb | mordred: ya in general I think we should assume that all services would be offered not white labeled | 20:01 |
| clarkb | and then there would be optional whitelabeling where it makes sense? | 20:02 |
| fungi | oh, that's a good point too | 20:02 |
| fungi | not every project who wants these things is going to have (or even want) a domain name of their own anyway | 20:02 |
| mordred | clarkb: yah. at some point I think it might be a good idea to have a list of "it is possible to provide custom whitelabeled versions of X Y and Z" | 20:02 |
| mordred | fungi: ++ | 20:02 |
| fungi | so even for teh whitelabelled services we'll likely have one under our default label too | 20:02 |
| jbryce | i've got to run. thanks for humoring me on naming theory. feel free to ping me if you have other questions or ideas = ) | 20:03 |
| clarkb | fungi: yup exactly | 20:03 |
| mordred | jbryce: thanks a ton! | 20:03 |
| AJaeger | jbryce: thanks! | 20:03 |
| clarkb | yes this was helpful | 20:03 |
| fungi | thanks! this was great | 20:03 |
| fungi | shall we end the meeting or did we want to continue? | 20:04 |
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| clarkb | seems like we've been idel | 20:05 |
| clarkb | I can end it | 20:05 |
| clarkb | #endmeeting | 20:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion of OpenStack Developer and Community Infrastructure | docs http://docs.openstack.org/infra/ | bugs https://storyboard.openstack.org/ | source https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/ | channel logs http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra/" | 20:05 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 13 20:05:32 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/winterstack_naming/2018/winterstack_naming.2018-06-13-19.03.html | 20:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/winterstack_naming/2018/winterstack_naming.2018-06-13-19.03.txt | 20:05 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/winterstack_naming/2018/winterstack_naming.2018-06-13-19.03.log.html | 20:05 |
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| scas | back to business. i presume it's a known thing that changes are backed up by an order of hours? | 20:07 |
| clarkb | scas: yes tripleo gate is threashing nodes | 20:07 |
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| scas | i saw the pattern when checking on one of my changes. delicious. | 20:09 |
| mordred | scas: we like providing tasty things | 20:09 |
| scas | as do i, when the stove works | 20:10 |
| clarkb | they are aware of the problems and aiui working to fix them | 20:10 |
| fungi | i'm about to start whipping up some okonomiyaki | 20:10 |
| fungi | speaking of delicious | 20:10 |
| Shrews | /google okonomiyaki | 20:12 |
| ianw | fungi: not sure if you saw, but i think we can bring up packethost if you like? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/575019/ | 20:12 |
| ianw | i got the mirror up yesterday afternoon after i realised what was up with the floating ips | 20:12 |
| fungi | ahh, yeah i've been mostly heads-down on trying to work out a suitable platform for a mailman 3 poc | 20:12 |
| fungi | i saw your comments in scrollback, i hadn't seen that change though. thanks! | 20:12 |
| ianw | if we want to merge that for image uploads, i can keep an eye on it during today | 20:13 |
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| ianw | fungi: https://tarballs.openstack.org/project-config/package-afs-centos7/ seems the --delete didn't do what i thought it would do :/ (from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/574924/) | 20:14 |
| fungi | what were you expecting --delete to do? | 20:15 |
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| clarkb | ianw: +2 thanks | 20:15 |
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| fungi | --delete should remove any files from the remote which are not in the local | 20:16 |
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| ianw | well, that :) remove the 1.6.16 packages and just leave 1.6.22 | 20:17 |
| fungi | oh, yeah that's curious. were the 1.6.16 packages still hanging around on the source side? | 20:17 |
| ianw | no, since the job is a fresh rpmbuild of the packages on a fresh host | 20:18 |
| fungi | rules that out, i guess | 20:18 |
| fungi | ianw: odd, looks like it still created https://tarballs.openstack.org/project-config/package-afs-centos7/x86_64/ | 20:19 |
| fungi | i wonder if the trailing backslash behavior isn't accurately reflected in the src/dest parameters to synchronize | 20:20 |
| ianw | http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/git.openstack.org/openstack-infra/project-config/master/project-config-build-openafs-centos/c32f9a0/job-output.txt.gz#_2018-06-13_06_55_59_134173 | 20:20 |
| ianw | so it copied it correctly, the x86_64 folder is the old one that i hoped --delete would purge | 20:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config master: Remove direct tagging from heat-cfntools ACL https://review.openstack.org/575072 | 20:23 |
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| fungi | could we be running a pre-2.6.7 rsync and not setting recursive? | 20:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Colleen Murphy proposed openstack-infra/puppet-cgit master: Update Gemfile for Zuulv3 https://review.openstack.org/571987 | 20:25 |
| ianw | what synchronize: does ... i do not know :) | 20:25 |
| fungi | my rsync(1) manpage notes that prior to 2.6.7, --delete has no effect unless --recursive is enabled | 20:25 |
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| ianw | i can play a bit more, it's not a big issue. just might be good to have a working example | 20:26 |
| fungi | oh, and starting with 2.6.7 you either need --recursive or --dirs enabled | 20:26 |
| fungi | so basically, i'm pretty much always running rsync with -a (which implies those) and so --delete does what i expect | 20:27 |
| fungi | but ansible synchronize is a bit of a black box | 20:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Darragh Bailey proposed openstack-infra/git-review master: support review URLs as download arguments https://review.openstack.org/424823 | 20:29 |
| ianw | https://github.com/ansible/ansible/blob/devel/lib/ansible/modules/files/synchronize.py#L45 suggests archive is true | 20:29 |
| ianw | well well well, it has a delete flag | 20:30 |
| ianw | https://github.com/ansible/ansible/blob/devel/lib/ansible/modules/files/synchronize.py#L69 | 20:30 |
| ianw | maybe i should have read the documentation | 20:30 |
| fungi | lookie there | 20:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Colleen Murphy proposed openstack-infra/puppet-openstack_infra_spec_helper master: Use system-config script to install puppet https://review.openstack.org/481943 | 20:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed openstack-infra/openstack-zuul-jobs master: package-afs-centos: use synchronize flags for delete https://review.openstack.org/575223 | 20:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config master: Add packethost us-west-1 to nodepool https://review.openstack.org/575019 | 20:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config master: Update list of Monasca repos for GerritBot https://review.openstack.org/575135 | 20:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config master: Build wheels against constraints https://review.openstack.org/574938 | 20:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config master: Add py35 and readthedocs jobs https://review.openstack.org/574102 | 20:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: Log github delivery ids properly https://review.openstack.org/575231 | 20:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config master: Remove networking-odl carbon jobs from stats https://review.openstack.org/567317 | 21:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config master: Remove nitrogen from n-odl grafana https://review.openstack.org/572406 | 21:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config master: Remove DragonFlow tagging ACL https://review.openstack.org/573772 | 21:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config master: enable storyboard for whereto https://review.openstack.org/574471 | 21:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config master: Fix up AFS dashboard https://review.openstack.org/573537 | 21:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config master: remove reno job settings https://review.openstack.org/574402 | 21:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config master: remove release-test job settings https://review.openstack.org/574915 | 21:00 |
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| ianw | oh good, looks like some images have made it into packethost already | 21:06 |
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| fungi | wow, fast! | 21:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Darragh Bailey proposed openstack-infra/git-review master: support review URLs as download arguments https://review.openstack.org/424823 | 21:15 |
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| ianw | they're all ready, unexpectedly quickly :) | 21:18 |
| clarkb | zoom zoom ? | 21:18 |
| fungi | well, they're all in the same republic. maybe fast pipes? | 21:18 |
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| ianw | just bringing up a xenial node to see what happens | 21:27 |
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| clarkb | mtr says us-west is not a very good name for it (appears to be in newark) | 21:27 |
| clarkb | but hey thats just a string anyway | 21:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-dev/pbr master: Update python3 versions in tox.ini envlist https://review.openstack.org/574650 | 21:29 |
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| ianw | Error in creating the server: Exceeded maximum number of retries. Exceeded max scheduling attempts 3 for instance 83b3db4e-0c28-474a-8a0e-c8fa26e75dbe. Last exception: Multiple possible networks found, use a Network ID to be more specific.' | 21:32 |
| ianw | hmm | 21:32 |
| clarkb | ianw: we have those in an email somewhere, we probably have to provide them I guess | 21:33 |
| clarkb | let me get you that info | 21:33 |
| ianw | i think it's the open-infra net | 21:33 |
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| clarkb | ianw: yup thats the network and you floating ip on external | 21:34 |
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| ianw | do we have to put that in nodepool config? | 21:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Gaetan Semet proposed openstack-dev/pbr master: pbr git-tag command https://review.openstack.org/561731 | 21:36 |
| clarkb | ya if it doesn't work as is we probably need to. Sometimes it just works if there is only one network defined in neutron | 21:36 |
| ianw | 147.75.38.140 is up, but doesn't seem to have keys | 21:36 |
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| clarkb | ya it doesn't like my key, did you tell it to config drive? | 21:37 |
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| clarkb | glean will only read config drive, not metadata server and nova didn't config drive by default until recently so you have to tell it when booting to use it | 21:37 |
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| ianw | i believe i did | 21:37 |
| ianw | cloud.create_server('test', image='ubuntu-xenial-1528923131', flavor=flavor, wait=True, auto_ip=True, config_drive=True, timeout=3600, network='open-infra') | 21:38 |
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| ianw | not much of interest on the console. can probably get in via the zuul hack to see what's up | 21:40 |
| clarkb | server show shows it as config driving too | 21:41 |
| clarkb | ++ to zuul hack for now, my guess is config drive didn't tell glean how to configure properly | 21:41 |
| clarkb | ianw: fungi I also notice that both users are in the same project so they can see all the servers | 21:41 |
| clarkb | I think typically we want to isolate them so that nodepool doesn't see control plane and vice versa | 21:41 |
| clarkb | (something to follow up on) | 21:41 |
| fungi | yeah, i wondered if that would be a problem (different accounts but same project) | 21:43 |
| ianw | good start : /dev/sr0: UUID="2018-06-13-21-35-23-00" LABEL="config-2" TYPE="iso9660" | 21:43 |
| fungi | i did mention separate projects in my original specification but thought maybe they had some secret mechanism of separating the quotas which weren't tied to the project | 21:43 |
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| clarkb | while we bootstrap I doubt it is a big issue | 21:44 |
| clarkb | but probably worth understanding before we start running jobs on it | 21:44 |
| ianw | ohhh, hang on, i wonder if we've actually deployed the keys into the cloud? | 21:44 |
| fungi | i added the keys role onto that playbook we use for that | 21:45 |
| clarkb | I thought that was in a cron but maybe it is manual? | 21:45 |
| clarkb | specifically running the clouds setup playbook | 21:46 |
| ianw | yeah, no keys in metadata. can't remeber if it's manual or not either | 21:46 |
| clarkb | ok lunch is here, I'll check back in after | 21:47 |
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| fungi | maybe we manually run <tool i can't remember the name of> when turning up a new project/tenant? | 21:50 |
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| ianw | it's the cloud launcher ansible ... looking | 21:52 |
| ianw | 2018-06-13 21:09:20,083 p=20967 u=root | TASK [cloud-launcher : os_security_group] ************************************** | 21:53 |
| ianw | 2018-06-13 21:09:25,883 p=20967 u=root | fatal: [localhost]: FAILED! => {"changed": false, "failed": true, "msg": "Multiple matches found for default"} | 21:53 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: Add test for shell after include_role https://review.openstack.org/574487 | 21:54 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: Temporarily override Ansible linear strategy https://review.openstack.org/575248 | 21:54 |
| fungi | ianw: yeah, so i guess having two providers defined as separate accounts in the same tenant is breaking that too? | 21:55 |
| clarkb | oh ya | 21:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: Temporarily override Ansible linear strategy (2/2) https://review.openstack.org/575248 | 21:58 |
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| ianw | fungi / clarkb: maybe it's http://paste.openstack.org/show/723416/ | 22:01 |
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| ianw | so i can just create another project? this setup seems a little different | 22:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Fatema Khalid Sherif proposed openstack-infra/storyboard master: Partial-Bug: # 6142 https://review.openstack.org/557070 | 22:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Fatema Khalid Sherif proposed openstack-infra/storyboard master: Changing 'Merged' to 'Resolved'. https://review.openstack.org/556648 | 22:24 |
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| clarkb | ianw: I thinkwe need admin for that (which we may have) | 22:28 |
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| ianw | i can create and delete a project | 22:29 |
| clarkb | ya judging by the fact that we can see all those security groups we may have admin? probably the thing to do if that is the case is make a new project for openstackzuul-packethost make that user not admin, then keep openstackci as admin on other project? | 22:29 |
| ianw | i guess if we are admins we can split the quota | 22:30 |
| anteaya | so in the discussion I missed, what is the definition of whitelabel? | 22:31 |
| clarkb | anteaya: it would be providing brand specific labeling on top of generic product | 22:32 |
| anteaya | ah thank you | 22:33 |
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| anteaya | like is happening with email lists currently, yes? | 22:33 |
| clarkb | so we could have etherpad.winterstack.org as the generic thing, but then also point etherpad.openstack.org at it | 22:33 |
| clarkb | anteaya: yup | 22:33 |
| anteaya | thanks | 22:33 |
| clarkb | ianw: thinking out loud here a bit more. Maybe we want ot create a third user and project to be our admin account. Then dial back the access of the other two accounts? | 22:34 |
| anteaya | if you point etherpad.o.o at etherpad.winterscale.org, what name is in the url for the user, etherpad.o.o? | 22:34 |
| clarkb | ianw: that would be most similar to our existint setups just with addition of third psecial account | 22:34 |
| clarkb | anteaya: yes | 22:34 |
| anteaya | cool, thanks | 22:34 |
| clarkb | anteaya: and since we already avoid any service specific branding each user group would feel like ti was theirs with minimal effort on our end | 22:35 |
| clarkb | that is until they collided with etherpad names but eh | 22:35 |
| anteaya | a problem for tomorrow | 22:35 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: Temporarily override Ansible linear strategy (1/2) https://review.openstack.org/575250 | 22:38 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: Temporarily override Ansible linear strategy (2/2) https://review.openstack.org/575248 | 22:38 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: Add test for shell after include_role https://review.openstack.org/574487 | 22:38 |
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| clarkb | ianw: let me know if there is some specific task or tasks I can do to help but otherwise I will assume making changes to the accounts will just be getting in the way and stepping on toes | 22:39 |
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| ianw | clarkb: hmm, yeah, i'm not really sure what to do here either. just to test, i can create a project and assign it a rather large quota ... if that actually means anything i'm not sure | 22:40 |
| clarkb | ianw: the more I think about it the more I like the idea of making an admin specific account then deescalating privs on old accounts | 22:41 |
| ianw | i'm just wondering if that was the intention from packethost | 22:41 |
| ianw | or if they're prefer it setup differently ... i think we should probably loop back with that via fungi and their admins? | 22:42 |
| clarkb | ya that can't hurt | 22:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: Allow zuul_return in untrusted jobs https://review.openstack.org/575173 | 22:48 |
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| clarkb | mnaser: https://zuul.openstack.org/stream.html?uuid=bae09735e26f44ed985e53b7b792faea&logfile=console.log its working :) the tests are failing and I have no idea how to debug those at this point. But The job seems to do useful work | 23:01 |
| mnaser | clarkb: do we want to propose moving them forward with CI because right now it’s this hacked up Jenkins | 23:02 |
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| clarkb | mnaser: we may want them to look over the above log to see if that is still CI related failures. I think if we want to switch them to zuul full time we also need a new tenant for them. I had expected this process to go a bit moreslowly :) | 23:03 |
| clarkb | I'm also running out of hours today as I need to help get zuul restarted for ansible fixes and then make dinner | 23:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/zuul master: Fix broken command tasks in handlers https://review.openstack.org/574786 | 23:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/zuul master: Fix command tasks with free play strategy https://review.openstack.org/574787 | 23:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/zuul master: Add blocks to the zuul stream test https://review.openstack.org/574643 | 23:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/zuul master: Temporarily override Ansible linear strategy (1/2) https://review.openstack.org/575250 | 23:13 |
| fungi | mnaser: you say "hacked up Jenkins" like there's some other kind ;) | 23:15 |
| * fungi is kidding, of course | 23:15 | |
| fungi | clarkb: what restarting do we need to be doing? | 23:15 |
| mnaser | fungi: haha, well, the story isn't all mine to tell but it seems some things have lead to others | 23:16 |
| clarkb | fungi: there are fixes for the ansible 2.5 logging issues, waiting for them to merge ^ some have merged just above | 23:16 |
| mnaser | and kata's ci is running on our cloud only right now | 23:16 |
| clarkb | there are 2 more I think | 23:16 |
| mnaser | so running it via zuul doesn't change that much | 23:16 |
| mnaser | i had to set it all up yesterday :x | 23:16 |
| mnaser | with help from their team to add the jobs | 23:16 |
| clarkb | mnaser: I dropped a note in their irc channel with someo of what I've got. I think my plan is to debug the failures tomorrow a bit more and then we can talk about future plans | 23:17 |
| clarkb | (because I'll have a better understanding of what is needed) | 23:17 |
| fungi | mnaser: i caught some of that fire drill. i have no comment ;) | 23:17 |
| mnaser | i'm glad that things were lined up and they were able to get back on track in no time :) | 23:17 |
| mnaser | http://jenkins.katacontainers.io/ | 23:17 |
| * mnaser just remembered all the jenkins instances we were running | 23:18 | |
| mnaser | https://docs.openstack.org/infra/publications/2012-jenkins-overview/#(8) | 23:18 |
| mnaser | https://docs.openstack.org/infra/publications/2012-jenkins-overview/ from the start | 23:18 |
| mnaser | oh my | 23:18 |
| mnaser | funky screenshot at slide 11 | 23:19 |
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| clarkb | mnaser: ya we speak from experience :) | 23:20 |
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| mnaser | corvus git review example is on quantum.git | 23:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/zuul master: Temporarily override Ansible linear strategy (2/2) https://review.openstack.org/575248 | 23:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/zuul master: Add test for shell after include_role https://review.openstack.org/574487 | 23:21 |
| clarkb | mnaser: that really dates it | 23:21 |
| clarkb | corvus: I think that was the set of changes we needed for the ansible 2.5 fix | 23:22 |
| clarkb | and I think we only need to restart the executors | 23:22 |
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| mnaser | clarkb: my guess is the reason for failures is old docker version | 23:23 |
| fungi | want to divvy them up? we have 8 in total, right? | 23:23 |
| clarkb | mnaser: really? its using docker from bionic which I thought was very new | 23:23 |
| clarkb | mnaser: but that gives me something to look at thanks | 23:23 |
| clarkb | fungi: 10 | 23:23 |
| mnaser | what bionic ships != what docker ships so you'll have to use something useful for you | 23:23 |
| mnaser | clarkb: https://github.com/kata-containers/ci/blob/master/jenkins/config.xml#L190-L215 | 23:24 |
| mnaser | i'll stop distracting you from your restarts now :) | 23:24 |
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| clarkb | mnaser: ya when I looked docker didn't have bionic packages | 23:24 |
| fungi | clarkb: you want 01-05 then and i'll take 06-10? or do we just ansible the lot? | 23:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/zuul master: Log github delivery ids properly https://review.openstack.org/575231 | 23:24 |
| clarkb | fungi: I think maybe we just upadte git then ansible the lot | 23:25 |
| fungi | k | 23:25 |
| fungi | i'll pull git updates on 06-10 | 23:25 |
| clarkb | oh and we have to pip3 install them | 23:25 |
| corvus | clarkb, fungi: o/ sorry i got mesmerized by backscroll | 23:25 |
| clarkb | corvus: plan above seem goo? | 23:25 |
| corvus | yep | 23:25 |
| corvus | i'll stand by and wait for a task assignment :) | 23:26 |
| clarkb | ok looking at 01-05 | 23:26 |
| clarkb | corvus: you can drive ansible to start stop when we are done with git | 23:26 |
| clarkb | and pip3 | 23:26 |
| corvus | kk | 23:26 |
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| clarkb | er not zuul01, ze01 | 23:27 |
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| fungi | Successfully installed zuul-3.0.4.dev138 | 23:28 |
| clarkb | fungi: you just did pip3 install /opt/zuul ? | 23:28 |
| fungi | yeah | 23:28 |
| fungi | after doing a `git pull --ff-only` | 23:29 |
| clarkb | zuul==3.0.4.dev138 # git sha f4e97aa is what I get from pbr | 23:29 |
| corvus | f4e97aa5b2f97c5f5b0aa7f575708964629b3b0f is the sha we want | 23:29 |
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| fungi | okay, done with 06-10 and all match that sha installed | 23:31 |
| clarkb | 05 is my last one almost done | 23:32 |
| clarkb | 01-05 report 'zuul==3.0.4.dev138 # git sha f4e97aa' | 23:32 |
| corvus | i'll restart now? | 23:33 |
| fungi | please! | 23:33 |
| clarkb | yup I'm ready | 23:33 |
| fungi | all set | 23:33 |
| corvus | waiting for shutdown now | 23:33 |
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| ianw | fungi / clarkb: ok, so fiddling around, i've got two projects -- openstackzuul and openstackci, each with respective users assigned _member_ role -> http://paste.openstack.org/show/723421/ | 23:38 |
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| fungi | that seems reasonable, we just need to update our configs to use those i guess? | 23:41 |
| clarkb | ya that looks more like what we typically expect | 23:41 |
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| clarkb | looks like at least ze04 has stopped | 23:43 |
| * fungi feels like he's watching a horse race | 23:44 | |
| clarkb | and 05 | 23:44 |
| anteaya | is the track muddy? | 23:44 |
| tonyb | What's the right way to make a feature request for the zuul web frontend? Open a story? | 23:44 |
| clarkb | tonyb: yes I think so | 23:44 |
| tonyb | clarkb: cool | 23:45 |
| * tonyb goes to do that | 23:45 | |
| tonyb | fungi: Thanks for looking at those election changes | 23:45 |
| clarkb | corvus: fungi looks like 01-05 are done shutting down | 23:48 |
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| fungi | tonyb: i can't admit to having tried them out yet | 23:50 |
| fungi | but there's still time for that ;) | 23:50 |
| tonyb | fungi: :) | 23:50 |
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| corvus | yep they're all stopped now. starting | 23:50 |
| tonyb | fungi: it does kinda seem to be a merge it and fix it later kind of repo | 23:51 |
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| fungi | software you use twice a year | 23:51 |
| tonyb | fungi: but for the record I did generate a complete electorate with the HEAD of that series | 23:51 |
| fungi | i figured you had | 23:51 |
| tonyb | fungi: 4 times a year now | 23:51 |
| fungi | details | 23:52 |
| tonyb | fungi: + your random we need $list for the Foundation runs | 23:52 |
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| fungi | yup | 23:55 |
| clarkb | corvus: it appears that jobs are running | 23:56 |
| clarkb | corvus: https://zuul.openstack.org/stream.html?uuid=9a6e65995eac4eb5b0601a3825045bc6&logfile=console.log I think that may be our canary? | 23:58 |
| clarkb | neutron-tempest-multinode-full on 473718,21 | 23:59 |
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