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| ianw | clarkb: it does super() from the openstacksdk version? -> https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/nodepool/tree/nodepool/task_manager.py#n50 | 00:01 |
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| clarkb | only for init, not post_run_task or submit_task etc | 00:02 |
| clarkb | submit_task is the one that matters here I think? | 00:02 |
| corvus | ianw: +2 on the ansible changes (with a comment that override-checkout shouldn't be necessary since https://review.openstack.org/616314 merged) | 00:03 |
| ianw | clarkb: ohhh, yes i see what you're saying, the nodepool submit_task is it's own thing and has overridden it | 00:03 |
| corvus | ianw: i didn't +3 due to eod; feel free to self-approve | 00:03 |
| clarkb | ianw: yup | 00:03 |
| ianw | clarkb: first thought is i wonder if that needs to be overridden | 00:05 |
| ianw | oh, it rasies a slightly different exception | 00:06 |
| clarkb | ianw: functionally though both put the task on the queue and wait for it to complete then return the result | 00:07 |
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| clarkb | it is possible that we could use submit_task from sdk I think | 00:07 |
| clarkb | both inits manage self.queue which is weird but should be a non issue by the time submit_ask is called | 00:08 |
| ianw | yep, possibly the sdk should take a new argument which is the exception to raise | 00:08 |
| clarkb | or update nodepool to handle the sdk exception? | 00:09 |
| ianw | or, we could wrap nodepool and re-raise the right one ... that might be better | 00:09 |
| clarkb | ya that would be one way of doing that | 00:09 |
| ianw | ok, will try that | 00:11 |
| clarkb | ok not sure if I should be happy that log server stopped having problems are sad that as soon as I feel like I'm somewhat set up to watch it real time it decides to be done | 00:11 |
| clarkb | fungi: did you see the etherpad for your forum session? | 00:12 |
| clarkb | fungi: any other prep work you think I/we should be doing for that one? | 00:12 |
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| dmsimard | huh, no other spikes | 00:31 |
| clarkb | dmsimard: ya i think we watch it and look at swift after the summit | 00:32 |
| clarkb | if it isn't getting worse then its pretty happy right this moment | 00:32 |
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| fungi | clarkb: thanks! to be honest, i forgot "i" had a forum session ;) | 01:07 |
| fungi | happy to moderate it | 01:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tristan Cacqueray proposed openstack-infra/nodepool master: DNM: test older minikube version https://review.openstack.org/616389 | 01:13 |
| fungi | clarkb: i proposed that session by proxy, to be honest | 01:16 |
| fungi | though i did flesh out the description a bit | 01:16 |
| fungi | not aware of any prep we need to be doing | 01:17 |
| fungi | just wanted to be sure opendev had a session reserved to get feedback | 01:17 |
| fungi | we can really use it however we want | 01:17 |
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| ianw | clarkb / mordred / corvus : ^ this was the role i mentioned i needed to loop back on in the meeting | 04:39 |
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| AJaeger | ianw: Just fixed some nits ^ | 07:16 |
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| quiquell | AJaeger, ianw: At zuul centos-7 images when do we install python-pip ? | 11:54 |
| quiquell | AJaeger, ianw: Do the images already have it ? | 11:55 |
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| fungi | quiquell|lunch: we have a role for installing them, but at the moment it mostly does nothing because we preinstall them in our images via dib (it would be nice to change that soon) | 13:17 |
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| fungi | infra-root: just a heads up, i don't anticipate being around much today. have a few pre-travel errands to which i must attend before i begin my road movie to berlin in the morning | 13:26 |
| fungi | (can't drive out the way we drove in!) | 13:26 |
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| ssbarnea | who can help me adding ssbarnea rfolco chandan to elastic-recehck https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/218,members so we can take care of unclassified failures? | 13:49 |
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| ssbarnea | fungi: AJaeger_ ^ can you help? | 13:51 |
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| AJaeger_ | ssbarnea: I don't have those permissions - better ask clarkb as PTL | 13:52 |
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| ssbarnea | AJaeger_: i almost forgot you are not on infra-core :) | 13:54 |
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| ssbarnea | quiquell: regarding pip availability: if I remember well pip is not installed from rpm, is installed using easy_install. Still, you should write code that works with any flavor of pip, regardless on how it ended up installed ;) | 13:55 |
| quiquell | ssbarnea: Just want to know if it's cooked in the image or not, and looks like it's cooke with dib | 13:57 |
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| fungi | ssbarnea: i recommend mriedem, mtreinish or clarkb work with you as they've been the ones active on classifying failures in elastic-recheck lately. i'm not super familiar with the workflow so not sure how to confirm you are either | 13:59 |
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| dhellmann | AJaeger : ^^ | 14:00 |
| fungi | ssbarnea: i take it you're seeking membership in that group so that you can approve proposed logstash queries? | 14:00 |
| fungi | (after all, anyone can propose queries to improve the classification rate, they just need a reviewer to approve them once proposed) | 14:01 |
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| cgoncalves | is http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health displaying jobs for anyone? | 14:16 |
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| fungi | Script timed out before returning headers: openstack-health | 14:23 |
| fungi | in the apache error log for the health api server | 14:23 |
| fungi | it's able to connect to the trove instance though | 14:25 |
| fungi | cgoncalves: mtreinish: restarting apache on health.openstack.org seems to have gotten http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/ working again. not sure why it was hanging but i wonder if it's getting overloaded | 14:28 |
| cgoncalves | fungi, yep, working now. thanks! | 14:28 |
| fungi | yeah, cacti graphs suggest something may have been hammering it | 14:29 |
| fungi | memory usage, load average, cpu utilization were all really high | 14:29 |
| fungi | i wonder if my restarting apache killed a long-running query (or many of them) | 14:29 |
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| fungi | http://cacti.openstack.org/cacti/graph.php?action=view&local_graph_id=2860&rra_id=all | 14:30 |
| fungi | active memory jumped by a factor of something like 6x starting around 13:10z | 14:31 |
| cgoncalves | fungi, one other question, I can't seem to find (periodic) job neutron-lbaas-to-octavia-migration there. e.g. http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/g/project/openstack~2Fneutron-lbaas?duration=P3M&searchJob=migration | 14:36 |
| fungi | cgoncalves: openstack-health relies on the subunit2sql database to get information. does the neutron-lbaas-to-octavia-migration job produce subunit data for indexing? | 14:37 |
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| cgoncalves | fungi, uh, no. would there be some other way of checking latest run results? | 14:41 |
| fungi | cgoncalves: http://zuul.openstack.org/builds?job_name=neutron-lbaas-to-octavia-migration | 14:42 |
| fungi | (queried from the "builds" tab of the zuul status dashboard) | 14:42 |
| cgoncalves | fungi, aaah, thanks! bookmarking that page :) | 14:42 |
| fungi | np | 14:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Tobias Henkel proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: WIP: Report tenant and project specific resource usage stats https://review.openstack.org/616306 | 14:45 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: I haven't been tracking health.o.o closely | 15:16 |
| mtreinish | it could have been a bunch of slow queries, but slow queries aren't anything new | 15:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Sorin Sbarnea proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck master: Move all zull jobs definitions inside repo https://review.openstack.org/616582 | 15:17 |
| mtreinish | and there shouldn't be that much local cpu load. It's mostly just averaging and resampling of time series in the api process | 15:17 |
| fungi | thanks, good to know | 15:18 |
| fungi | whatever was causing it, the apache restart seems to have interrupted it and restored the service to a sane state | 15:18 |
| fungi | guess we'll keep an eye out for similar future behavior | 15:18 |
| mtreinish | oh, I guess maybe if there is a big payload the json serialization could take some number crunching too | 15:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Sorin Sbarnea proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Move elastic-recheck zull jobs definitions inside project repo https://review.openstack.org/616583 | 15:18 |
| fungi | it looked like it basically pegged one cpu on the vm | 15:19 |
| mtreinish | yeah, looking at the graph one core was definitely sitting there actively thinking about something | 15:21 |
| mtreinish | not sure about what though | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | gerrit admins: There are no members of the cross-project-spec-liaissons-chair group, and so we cannot approve any patches in the openstack-specs repo. Could someone please add me to that group so we can unblock some of the CI-related changes? https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/1371,members | 15:28 |
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| ssbarnea | clarkb: when you have few minutes please check the elastic-receck reviews, starting with the question on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/608968/ - thanks. | 15:37 |
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| frickler | dhellmann: it looks like any of the liaisons should be able to do it, see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/593702/ . doesn't need a +2 like for other repos. | 15:44 |
| frickler | dhellmann: mike perez left the chair position half a year ago, not sure how the formal procedures to replace him would look like, so if the other solution works, I'd prefer that for now | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | frickler : ah, I didn't read closely enough | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | that repo isn't used, I just don't want it to be out of date if we decide we need to resurrect it | 15:45 |
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| dhellmann | frickler : jroll is a member of that group but not able to add anyone to it. Can you tell who has that permission? | 15:54 |
| jroll | dhellmann: I believe the "included groups" usually defines editing permissions, and there is none here | 15:54 |
| frickler | dhellmann: yeah, I was just checking that, and the owner is the chair again ... so regarding the fact that you are TC chair anyway, now you have another one ;) | 15:55 |
| dhellmann | frickler : thanks | 15:55 |
| frickler | dhellmann: jroll: it is the "owners" list here https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/1372,info | 15:56 |
| jroll | frickler: ah right, thanks | 15:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/git-review master: As suggested by pep8 don't compare boolean values or empty sequences https://review.openstack.org/221172 | 15:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sorin Sbarnea proposed openstack-infra/git-review master: Fix commit-msg hook installation for worktrees https://review.openstack.org/397206 | 16:23 |
| fungi | corvus: earlier today i ran `sudo MAILMAN_SITE_DIR=/srv/mailman/openstack /usr/lib/mailman/bin/rmlist openstack-internships` and it kept the archive at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-internships/ but removed the list from the list index. does that seem like a sane choice for retiring other lists in the future? | 16:27 |
| clarkb | morning | 16:29 |
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| corvus | fungi: hrm, i'm not sure that was effective. it still shows up in http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo and http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-internships still exists, and i can submit a subscription request on that form and get a response. | 16:40 |
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| clarkb | ssbarnea: left a comment | 16:40 |
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| ssbarnea | clarkb: thanks! I was thinking about the same approach with suffix and prefix. going to update it now. | 16:43 |
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| fungi | corvus: weird. oh! | 16:49 |
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| fungi | corvus: i think i needed to delete it from puppet | 16:49 |
| fungi | i'll push up a patch | 16:49 |
| clarkb | ssbarnea: the other thing you can do is test the query at http://logstash.openstack.org | 16:49 |
| fungi | pretty sure it got recreated by puppet | 16:49 |
| corvus | fungi: haha :( | 16:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/system-config master: Retire the openstack-internships mailing list https://review.openstack.org/616628 | 16:54 |
| fungi | corvus: ^ | 16:54 |
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| ssbarnea | clarkb: i am playing with logstash but I get very weird behavior, most of the time I get no answer at all, so even for the same query I may get results or not.... | 17:05 |
| clarkb | ssbarnea: in the top right is the time window. Perhaps that is shifting away from when there are records? | 17:06 |
| clarkb | ssbarnea: one thing I like to do is start with a more broad search then refine it, that way I know there are results and if they go away I know I've broken my query | 17:07 |
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| fuentess | clarkb, hi, can you help us hold a VM from the kata-containers CI ? | 17:34 |
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| clarkb | fuentess: yup, kata-runsh job on the proxy repo? | 17:34 |
| fuentess | yes please | 17:34 |
| clarkb | fuentess: next failure should be held | 17:36 |
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| fuentess | clarkb, thanks | 17:37 |
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| ssbarnea | is anyone aware of twine check failing with exception on docutils like http://logs.openstack.org/74/615974/3/check/test-release-openstack/5682347/job-output.txt.gz#_2018-11-08_17_22_19_298514 | 17:52 |
| clarkb | ssbarnea: no, that is interesting. bug in twine maybe? or maybe missing data field it assumes will be there and the error message is not good? | 17:54 |
| clarkb | ssbarnea: the purpose of that check is to have twine determine if the package contents are valid for pypi | 17:54 |
| agopi | clarkb, the same twine check ran perfectly fine locally for me. | 17:55 |
| ssbarnea | yep, running twine locally works perfect, only on zuul I seen that weird error. | 17:57 |
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| clarkb | ssbarnea: agopi I notice that the job installs docutils and pygments into one virtualenv then runs twine out of another. That may be related? I'm currently trying to reproduce it locally | 18:02 |
| clarkb | ssbarnea: agopi I am able to reproduce it | 18:02 |
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| ssbarnea | clarkb: waiting for details.... | 18:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Sorin Sbarnea proposed openstack-infra/git-review master: Avoid UnicodeEncodeError on python 2 https://review.openstack.org/583535 | 18:07 |
| clarkb | ssbarnea: well I don't have many yet. Other than I get the same traceback if I follow the steps of the job. run `python3 setup.py sdist bdist_wheel --universal` then make python2 venv and install twine there then run twince check dist/* | 18:07 |
| clarkb | ssbarnea: produces the same traceback for me | 18:07 |
| clarkb | looks like it is trying to render the description field which has a value of UNKNOWN in the PKG-INFO | 18:07 |
| clarkb | maybe it needs to be known? | 18:07 |
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| fuentess | clarkb, opened a PR in the proxy repo but I cannot see the the zuul job, any idea? I already checked and the zuul config seems ok on our side... | 18:10 |
| fuentess | clarkb: https://github.com/kata-containers/proxy/pull/127 | 18:11 |
| clarkb | fuentess: that is curious. THe app is still enabled on your side? | 18:11 |
| agopi | okay that probably might be the cause, I was using python2 to build the package. will check again thanks clarkb :) | 18:11 |
| fuentess | yes, still enabled | 18:11 |
| ssbarnea | clarkb: i was to replicate it too: it happens only when we build using *python3*, the wheel is valid but the sdist is not. | 18:11 |
| ssbarnea | mc | 18:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config master: Retire the openstack-internships mailing list https://review.openstack.org/616628 | 18:12 |
| clarkb | fuentess: I wonder if the depends on confused it? | 18:13 |
| clarkb | corvus: can you look at https://github.com/kata-containers/proxy/pull/127 the depends on format there might be sufficiently confusing to zuul such that the job won't run? specifically its not a full url? | 18:14 |
| ssbarnea | comparing the archive I found that on py3: Description is UNKNOWN but on py2 is False - this being the only difference. | 18:14 |
| fuentess | clarkb, ahh ok, let me remove it | 18:14 |
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| clarkb | fuentess: should be Depends-On: https://github.com/stuff | 18:15 |
| fuentess | clarkb, ok, thanks, although I actually dont need it, I have removed it.. lets see how it goes | 18:15 |
| ssbarnea | isn't sdist part of python distro? | 18:16 |
| clarkb | sdist is the source distribution of python packges | 18:16 |
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| corvus | clarkb: looking. this will take a few minutes. | 18:31 |
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| ssbarnea | clarkb: thanks for helping with twine issue, is clearly caused by py3 but avoidable. | 18:35 |
| clarkb | ssbarnea: any idea why python3 is causing the problem? | 18:35 |
| clarkb | I wonder if running twine under python3 fixes it? | 18:35 |
| ssbarnea | clarkb: running undep python2 would avoid it, this happens only when you build the package using python3. and when the package has no "Description" section in setup.cfg | 18:36 |
| clarkb | ah | 18:37 |
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| clarkb | dhellmann: re ^ is the intent to run twine under python3 too? | 18:44 |
| clarkb | wondering if that was missed in the transition to python3 by default | 18:44 |
| ssbarnea | clarkb: i do not find this bug critical, only confusing. i do expect any project to have a description, probably that is why it was missed. | 18:45 |
| ssbarnea | still seem like a something we should raise a a bug, not sure why if that is python bug or is in setuptools or something else. | 18:46 |
| ssbarnea | i do expect to see others hitting it again as now, especially with newer projects. | 18:46 |
| agopi | clarkb, ssbarnea it's still a bit confusing given that building package happens in one env and then twine check in another | 18:48 |
| dhellmann | clarkb : yeah, did I mess that up? | 18:48 |
| agopi | not sure if that's the expected behavior. | 18:49 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: http://logs.openstack.org/74/615974/3/check/test-release-openstack/5682347/ara-report/result/b995038f-05ce-44b7-bb2a-d7fee9474304/ shows twine running under python2 but the sdist was run under python3 | 18:49 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: the pip install of twine may need to do pip3 ? | 18:49 |
| dhellmann | likely | 18:49 |
| dhellmann | let me see if I can fix that quickly | 18:49 |
| ssbarnea | python3 -m twine | 18:50 |
| clarkb | agopi: ssbarnea it is possibly a bug in twine's handling of that case | 18:50 |
| clarkb | and the error message should be fixed there? | 18:50 |
| corvus | clarkb: i'm wondering if the githubeventconnector stopped | 18:51 |
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| clarkb | corvus: is that a thread in zuul-web? | 18:51 |
| corvus | clarkb: in scheduler | 18:51 |
| corvus | i'm grepping for it now; i'll look for errors around the last instance when i find it. i may sigusr2 in a bit | 18:52 |
| dhellmann | clarkb : ensure-twine is defined in zuul-jobs, so that fix is going to require multiple steps | 18:52 |
| clarkb | corvus: ok let me know if I can help | 18:53 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: maybe we add ensure-twine3 or make it a config flag for backward compat? | 18:53 |
| dhellmann | the pattern we've used elsewhere is to specify a python executable name in a variable | 18:53 |
| dhellmann | so we can do {{whatevervarforpython}} -m pip install | 18:54 |
| dhellmann | although that assumes pip is present for that python too | 18:54 |
| dhellmann | sigh | 18:54 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: I think {{ whatevervarforpython }} /usr/bin/pip will work though | 18:55 |
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| dhellmann | do you have any idea where we install pip? | 18:57 |
| clarkb | I think the images may bake that in | 18:58 |
| clarkb | (because we need virtualenv?) | 18:58 |
| dhellmann | ok | 18:58 |
| ssbarnea | clarkb: how about calling python3 -m pip -- this works for sure, no need to guess location. | 18:58 |
| dhellmann | ssbarnea : that only works if pip is already installed for python3, though | 18:59 |
| dhellmann | that's the bit I can't figure out how to verify by reading roles | 18:59 |
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| clarkb | dhellmann: instead of using -m pip just run the pip executable under the python version directly I think that works | 19:00 |
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| dhellmann | ok | 19:01 |
| clarkb | `python2 $(which pip)` and `python3 $(which pip)`? | 19:01 |
| clarkb | I do this with pbr a lot | 19:01 |
| ssbarnea | clarkb: no need to to as this logic would mess pip, what is wrong in using the module calling? | 19:02 |
| ssbarnea | here is the quickstart.sh ensure_pip version (bash) https://github.com/openstack/tripleo-quickstart/blob/master/quickstart.sh#L154 | 19:03 |
| clarkb | ssbarnea: -m only looks in your module path, if pip isn't in the module path for that version of python it won't work | 19:04 |
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| dhellmann | clarkb : where would I look to find a list of things being installed into the images? | 19:04 |
| ssbarnea | clarkb: if pip is not in your module path.... you don't have pip. pip is not a standalone script, it needs to be installed as a module. | 19:04 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I don't think running it without the -m is going to work | 19:05 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: https://nb01.openstack.org/ubuntu-bionic-0000000018.log is the full build log for a recent bionic build. You can navigate the root there to see logs for other distros | 19:06 |
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| ssbarnea | dhellmann: the same applies to other tools, like virtualenv for example. the only safe way to call them is as modules. (virtualenv is called virtualenv-3 on python3) | 19:06 |
| dhellmann | clarkb : is there a manifest or something that I could look at? | 19:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack-infra/zuul-jobs master: enable setting python version for ensure-twine https://review.openstack.org/616673 | 19:08 |
| dhellmann | clarkb : step 1 ^ | 19:08 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: if you grep for dpkg-query --show there is a dpkg listing | 19:08 |
| dhellmann | do we install pip from system packages? | 19:08 |
| clarkb | no, and we don't appear to have a pip freeze output | 19:08 |
| clarkb | (we stopped listing all files in the image because it made the image builds take forever stating all the things iirc) | 19:09 |
| dhellmann | I don't really want to wade through tons of output if I can look at the instructions used to build the image | 19:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: ensure twine is installed with python 3 https://review.openstack.org/616676 | 19:11 |
| dhellmann | step 2 ^ | 19:11 |
| clarkb | https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/diskimage-builder/tree/diskimage_builder/elements/pip-and-virtualenv that is what we use to install pip and virtualenv | 19:11 |
| dhellmann | ok, the readme there says it installed pip3 | 19:12 |
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| dhellmann | so running -m pip should work fine | 19:12 |
| clarkb | I think as long as the chosen distro has python2 and python3 it tries to accomodate both? | 19:13 |
| clarkb | but will do one or the other if the distro doesn't have both | 19:13 |
| clarkb | (those jobs run on ubuntu and should have both) | 19:13 |
| agopi | thanks dhellmann clarkb, looks like dhellmann's commits helps clear up the air. | 19:14 |
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| dhellmann | the only thing this would break would be that check job and actual releases, so the impact will be minimal. if we aren't confident of the approach based on the readmes and whatever else, then maybe we should go ahead with and then I can run a test using the release-test repo (we can't test speculatively, unfortunately) | 19:15 |
| clarkb | I think we can go ahead and make the changes and then test it. It is easy enough to revert 616676 if necessary | 19:16 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 19:16 |
| dhellmann | I made the project-config change on top of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/616550/ because we want to remove that call of setup.py too | 19:16 |
| clarkb | ssbarnea has a comment on the zuul-jobs change if you want to make it consistent with other roles | 19:16 |
| dhellmann | ssbarnea , clarkb : we have a release_python variable in the release role, so I followed that pattern | 19:17 |
| dhellmann | is that not the right pattern to follow? | 19:17 |
| ssbarnea | i hope that you may find that "pattern" useful, i would be really happy if you also adopt it. we have in many roles in tripleo-quickstart now aftet f28 enablement work. | 19:17 |
| clarkb | oh I thought that was for consistency with other zuul-jobs roles | 19:18 |
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| clarkb | (I don't really care) | 19:18 |
| dhellmann | I suppose I could reuse release_python since we want them set the same, but that's managed by a different role | 19:18 |
| dhellmann | that would result in one less patch, since we wouldn't need the one in project-config | 19:19 |
| clarkb | ya I think python_cmd is nice in that we can use it everywhere without too much ambiguity | 19:19 |
| clarkb | but release_python would be weird there I think | 19:19 |
| dhellmann | zuul-jobs has a release_python and sphinx_python | 19:19 |
| dhellmann | so I followed that pattern | 19:19 |
| dhellmann | I don't see any roles setting python_cmd | 19:20 |
| clarkb | ya probably fine to stick to that pattern for now then change to python_cmd if we want to in the future and apply it globally in zuul-jobs | 19:20 |
| dhellmann | presumably because we want the flexibility of using different pythons in different roles? | 19:20 |
| dhellmann | ok | 19:20 |
| ssbarnea | i personally think that we don't really need one variable for each tool, seems .... bit of maintenance nightmare. i volunteer to help migrating to one standard solution. | 19:21 |
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| dhellmann | I don't know the best practice for using the same variable across roles that may not even be defined in the same git repo | 19:22 |
| dhellmann | I need to step out. I'll check back in a bit. | 19:23 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: it comes down to whether or not you want to select things globally (so can set it at a host level) or if you want fine grained control to say run twine under python2 and sphinx under 3 and release under 3 | 19:23 |
| clarkb | (there is precedence but understanding that is confusing enough that using explicit values is nice) | 19:24 |
| ssbarnea | dhellmann: the nice part is that you don't need to define it, unless you want to override its implicit value. we copied those two tasks in each role that needed python_cmd. | 19:24 |
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| ssbarnea | clarkb: need bit of help for browbeat team: the core-release group is empty : https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/projects/openstack/browbeat,access | 19:38 |
| clarkb | ssbarnea: looks like Joe Talerico added the acl. | 19:40 |
| ssbarnea | clarkb: can you please add agopi and jtaleric to release group? | 19:40 |
| clarkb | I've added jtaleric as the person who updated the acl file. They can add others as they like | 19:41 |
| agopi | oh okay that'd work clarkb | 19:41 |
| agopi | thanks clarkb and ssbarnea :) | 19:41 |
| ssbarnea | clarkb: perfect! thanks. they can sort it themselves now. | 19:41 |
| ssbarnea | clarkb: i was curious about the release process in general. to my knowledge the only way to release is to push a tag. this means that gerrit cannot really be used to review a release (tagging) - like having multiple people blessing the release. right? | 19:44 |
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| clarkb | ssbarnea: sort of. The process openstack has built is to have a release control repository into whcih you put release data, it gets reviewed adn approved and those changes merging push tags that kick off the process | 19:44 |
| clarkb | ssbarnea: if you are not part of that system you are correct. The pushing of tags yourself will immediately kick off the release process so if you want to review things you need to do it before pushing to gerrit | 19:45 |
| clarkb | ssbarnea: usually what the infra team does is just informally poll the cores and ask for input on the project, version, sha1 being tagged to make sure we are in rough aggreement | 19:45 |
| ssbarnea | clarkb: thanks. | 19:46 |
| clarkb | ssbarnea: agopi other things to keep in mind are that deleting or moving a tag later doesn't update dowsntreams that have already pulled the old tag | 19:46 |
| clarkb | so in general we don't delete or move tags, instead we highly encourage you to push a subsequent release if there was an error in the last one | 19:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tyzhnenko proposed openstack-infra/git-review master: Add reviewers by group alias on upload https://review.openstack.org/195043 | 19:49 |
| ssbarnea | i told him that once you push a tag, you don't edit it, you only create a new one if the prev one was buggy. | 19:49 |
| agopi | thanks ssbarnea clarkb :) | 19:52 |
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| ianw | dhellmann: did you get all your answers on the pip install in images? | 19:56 |
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| dhellmann | ianw : I think we have enough confidence that we will have pip3 that we can approve the changes and then test them with some inconsequential release (like release-test) | 20:16 |
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| ianw | dhellmann: on the infra nodes, yes the idea is that "pip" and "virtualenv" are both python2 installers, while "pip3" and "virtualenv3" are python3 | 20:23 |
| ianw | that's what the prior referenced dib element jumps through hoops to provide | 20:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sorin Sbarnea proposed openstack-infra/git-review master: Use six for cross python compatibility https://review.openstack.org/616688 | 20:25 |
| ianw | i think the "virtualenv3" might an ... anti-pattern ... or something, but we had things using it. it seems "python3 -m venv" is the way to go, maybe | 20:25 |
| AJaeger | config-core, could you review https://review.openstack.org/616550 , please? I think we should remove the role completely - but like somebody to confirm... | 20:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed openstack-infra/nodepool master: Use openstacksdk submit_task https://review.openstack.org/616387 | 20:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed openstack-infra/nodepool master: Revert "Pin docker for k8s test" https://review.openstack.org/616404 | 20:30 |
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| ssbarnea | AJaeger: not a core but by reading it the body of the role I would say role removal is what we want. | 20:30 |
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| clarkb | AJaeger: dhellmann I think twine installs docutils and pygments now? I'm checking | 20:35 |
| AJaeger | clarkb: it does not - just checked | 20:36 |
| clarkb | docutils==0.14 and Pygments==2.2.0 installed in the venv where I installed twine and I did not install them myself | 20:36 |
| clarkb | twine==1.12.1 | 20:36 |
| * AJaeger needs better glasses ;( | 20:36 | |
| AJaeger | clarkb: you're right... | 20:36 |
| * AJaeger sends a patch... | 20:36 | |
| clarkb | I think they are deps of readme_renderer which is a dep of twine | 20:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Remove check-python-release role https://review.openstack.org/616689 | 20:39 |
| ianw | AJaeger: so now the role is just a virtualenv & package installs? | 20:39 |
| AJaeger | ianw: that would be the result of 616550 - and I think we don't need that, so proposed 616689 as alternative | 20:40 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: are you sure that twine does the README check? Or is that not done anymore? | 20:41 |
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| ianw | i appreciate the "get it working" angle :) but if we can clean it up now and not forget, that sounds good ... around if any help needed triggering anything to test | 20:42 |
| AJaeger | Just checked - twine does the README check, so we can remove it.... | 20:43 |
| AJaeger | config-core, dhellmann, I suggest to go with 616689 instead of 616550 - please review | 20:43 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger : http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/playbooks/pti-python-tarball/check.yaml#n7 | 20:45 |
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| AJaeger | dhellmann: yes, I remove that line - nothing needs this | 20:45 |
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| AJaeger | dhellmann: ignore my comment. Yes, that is fine. | 20:45 |
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| dhellmann | AJaeger : line 8 runs "twine check" and that needs docutils and pygments installed | 20:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Sorin Sbarnea proposed openstack-infra/git-review master: Avoid UnicodeEncodeError on python 2 https://review.openstack.org/583535 | 20:46 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: and that is done by ensure-twine, clarkb and myself just tested | 20:46 |
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| dhellmann | ok | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | I guess some time next week I'll try to find time to rebase the rest of my changes on top of this | 20:47 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/zuul-jobs/tree/roles/ensure-twine/tasks/main.yaml#n14 | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | I wish we could separate fixing things from cleaning things up | 20:47 |
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| AJaeger | dhellmann: this is not proper cleaning IMHO - and the fix was easy. the role had setup and execution, you removed the execution - and then the setup should really go as well. | 20:49 |
| dhellmann | it was not clear, and still is not, that the cleanup isn't needed | 20:49 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: perhaps your commit message was not clear - but I did not see that anything here is broken that needs a half-fix | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | I guess you're saying the readme rendering thing is what causes those dependencies to be installed? | 20:50 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: yes | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | my change was "stop doing something redundant" | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | it's fine, I don't care | 20:50 |
| AJaeger | clarkb: want to +2A https://review.openstack.org/616689 , please? Then I rebase dhellmann's change on top of it... | 20:52 |
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| clarkb | AJaeger: you mean rebase the python3 fix? | 20:55 |
| clarkb | AJaeger: thats done | 20:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: ensure twine is installed with python 3 https://review.openstack.org/616676 | 20:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/nodepool master: Convert kubernetes config docs to zuul-sphinx https://review.openstack.org/616643 | 20:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/nodepool master: Alter the metasyntactic variable in driver docs https://review.openstack.org/616646 | 20:57 |
| AJaeger | clarkb: yeah - I just did the rebase of 616676 | 20:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/nodepool master: Normalize sidebar in docs https://review.openstack.org/616649 | 20:58 |
| AJaeger | clarkb: in case you or ianw want to +2 616676 as well - I'll +2A now the zuul-jobs one... | 20:59 |
| clarkb | I've actually got to pop out for a bit now. Lunch time | 20:59 |
| AJaeger | clarkb: enjoy! | 21:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config master: Remove check-python-release role https://review.openstack.org/616689 | 21:03 |
| ssbarnea | maybe we can also merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471078/ ? | 21:07 |
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| AJaeger | ssbarnea: better ask ianw and clarkb for system-config ^ | 21:10 |
| ssbarnea | sure, anytime time to go to bed... that change is more than an year old, it probably can wait anotehr day or two | 21:11 |
| * AJaeger takes ssbarnea's advice and calls it a day ;) | 21:13 | |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/zuul-jobs master: enable setting python version for ensure-twine https://review.openstack.org/616673 | 21:16 |
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| corvus | clarkb: i don't see a smoking gun in the logs, just that the last time the GithubEventConnector did anything was 03 nov | 22:02 |
| corvus | clarkb: i'm going to sigusr2 | 22:02 |
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| mordred | ianw: re: the nodepool stats patch above - ifyou're in the brainspace for it, I'm working on an update looking towards using the keystoneauth patch that will allow us to get rid of the taskmanager | 22:06 |
| mordred | ianw: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/614834/ - would love some eyes on it - but it's WIP because I need to write docs | 22:06 |
| mordred | ianw: it might be worth looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/604926 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/605043/ for context | 22:06 |
| mordred | ianw: BUT - if you don't want to and have other things on your plate - totally no worries | 22:07 |
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| clarkb | corvus: ok, back from lunch now | 22:08 |
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| ianw | mordred: i'll take a look :) | 22:10 |
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| clarkb | the gerrit bug tracker tells me that gerrit upstream may be doing work to fix the relationship between changes data presentation | 22:12 |
| clarkb | this is exciting | 22:12 |
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| mordred | oooh | 22:13 |
| mordred | that is exciting | 22:13 |
| clarkb | Labels: -UX-Incoming UX-Acked was the update | 22:14 |
| clarkb | hoping that -UX-Incoming means we are working on it now | 22:14 |
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| clarkb | an update on the logs.o.o thing. I don't see any more recent errors for wsgi timeouts | 22:19 |
| clarkb | I think we should go ahead and get dmsimard's change to add processes in | 22:19 |
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| clarkb | we also had a large spike in data transfer around 1800UTC today so it is working when put under load | 22:19 |
| clarkb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/616297/ is the chagne from dmsmimard if anyone else can review it (system-config) | 22:23 |
| logan- | has anyone seen xenial DIB builds failing with "Operation failed: Too many levels of symbolic links" during post-install.d/80-enable-sshd-service recently? I had a working build on 11/1 and then today they are failing consistently this way. http://paste.openstack.org/raw/734447/ | 22:27 |
| ianw | logan:- hrm, not aware of that. there probably has been a dib release in between but not sure we touched anything related to that | 22:28 |
| clarkb | logan-: let me grep our logs | 22:28 |
| logan- | was just looking at https://nb01.openstack.org/ubuntu-xenial-0000000018.log and it seems like nb01 was at least able to complete a build today | 22:29 |
| clarkb | logan-: https://nb01.openstack.org/ubuntu-xenial-0000000018.log ya that log looks ok | 22:29 |
| clarkb | logan-: are you using ubuntu or ubuntu-minimal element? | 22:29 |
| clarkb | (we use ubuntu-minimal) | 22:29 |
| logan- | ubuntu-minimal | 22:30 |
| logan- | ianw: good tip, i confirmed my 11/1 build was on DIB 2.17, today is 2.18 | 22:30 |
| logan- | let me try a build on 2.17 and see how that owkrs | 22:31 |
| ianw | logan-: can you run with "-x" ? | 22:31 |
| logan- | yep | 22:31 |
| logan- | on it | 22:31 |
| logan- | thanks | 22:31 |
| ianw | looks like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/503844/ touched that file, but only for the openrc path? | 22:32 |
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| clarkb | thats a systemctl error message? | 22:37 |
| logan- | light googling led me to think that yeah | 22:37 |
| logan- | wondering if its more an ubuntu package update problem than dib | 22:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Erik Olof Gunnar Andersson proposed openstack-infra/os-loganalyze master: Add support for Magnum https://review.openstack.org/616705 | 22:42 |
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| clarkb | diablo_rojo: you wanted stickers right? /me attempts to remember to pack them | 22:56 |
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| * logan- tries to find a paste site that will accept this DIB log | 23:28 | |
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| logan- | 2.17 completed, 2.18 failed.. going to upload debug logs for both | 23:28 |
| clarkb | logan-: gist is usually good for giant logs | 23:28 |
| logan- | thanks | 23:29 |
| diablo_rojo | clarkb, yes please! the small ants :) | 23:29 |
| ianw | logan-: it's usually on the last bit that's useful ... but the real problem can be a few hundred lines back | 23:30 |
| ianw | as everything unwinds | 23:30 |
| logan- | working 2.17 - https://gist.githubusercontent.com/logan2211/3b4312ff2f77f7aec73fb36caac45a87/raw/f5839c411f3fb3998dd3867ce379d5cfaf366606/DIB%25202.17%2520build | 23:31 |
| logan- | failed 2.18 - https://gist.githubusercontent.com/logan2211/3b4312ff2f77f7aec73fb36caac45a87/raw/f5839c411f3fb3998dd3867ce379d5cfaf366606/DIB%25202.18%2520build | 23:31 |
| logan- | afk a while -- but ill try to figure it out later this evening if it is still unsolved. thanks clarkb & ianw | 23:32 |
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| clarkb | fwiw I'm slowly fading out myself. I keep getting distracted by the list of things I need to do around the house and making it hard to focus on work. I should probably just go drain the that pipe then I don't have to worry about it freezing while I am gone | 23:33 |
| ianw | hrm, appears to be the same openssh version openssh-server amd64 1:7.2p2-4ubuntu2.6 [335 kB] | 23:33 |
| ianw | clarkb: so weird, i have never once worried about a pipe freezing in all my years :) | 23:34 |
| clarkb | ianw: this one runs through the garage wall which isn't a heated space so its got a plug I can take out upstream with a valve there allowing me to drain everything in the unheated space | 23:35 |
| clarkb | next time I need plumbing work done I am going to have them replace that valve with a ball valve so that closign it is easy | 23:36 |
| dmsimard | ianw: does it even get close to freezing temperature where you are ? haha | 23:37 |
| ianw | you'll sometimes get a morning frost on the ground in Sydney, but nothing that will freeze a pipe | 23:38 |
| clarkb | its not forecast to freeze here really and should be fine. But I know I won't have to worry about it later (or when in berlin) if I just take care of it now | 23:38 |
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| corvus | clarkb: ball valves are great -- but (and i have recently seen this is not theoretical) they can leak slightly, and if they do, you can't tighten them more. so they're great for things that aren't open-ended (ie, in the middle of plumbing). for a spigot, or something like it, a regular globe valve may be better. | 23:51 |
| clarkb | huh | 23:53 |
| corvus | (i just got ball valves for my washing machine, and they're great, except one of them has like a one drop/minute leak, which was a minor inconvenience when i had no washing machine. now that i do, and the hoses are all hooked up, it's fine.) | 23:55 |
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