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| mordred | clarkb: yup. I'm going to say that backs up our hypothesis that they're assuming an MX must exist | 00:11 |
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| mordred | so - sounds like they reimplemented SMTP from scratch poorly | 00:11 |
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| clarkb | mordred: that and it points very strongly at mimecast being hte problem as the message is there in their docs | 00:13 |
| clarkb | (I think we already knew that but this is more evidence) | 00:13 |
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| hrw | ianw: thanks | 12:19 |
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| mordred | sean-k-mooney: you and dbecker are having fun now :) | 12:54 |
| mordred | sean-k-mooney: does he irc? | 12:55 |
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| sean-k-mooney | i think so yes | 13:04 |
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| sean-k-mooney | at least i have seen him on irc form time to time but maybe not upstream | 13:05 |
| sean-k-mooney | he is on the downstream rhos-dev and ie channels at least | 13:05 |
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| sean-k-mooney | whitelist problematic domains would resolve our current issue but i agree with ye're interpretation of the lookup rules when looking at the smtp standard the mx record should not be requried | 13:07 |
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| mordred | sean-k-mooney: ++ | 13:19 |
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| efried | Anyone know if there's a(nother) replacement for http://ciwatch.mmedvede.net/ ? | 13:49 |
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| mordred | efried: sorry - I know basically nothing about that | 13:52 |
| efried | I know mmedvede is no longer stacking. I think we just need a connected server to host the code. | 13:53 |
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| mordred | sean-k-mooney: in theory your emails should be showing up. in practice, I'm not seeing anything new for you | 15:25 |
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| sean-k-mooney | i have not sent any since yesterday so unless they tried to redilver my past ones im gessing they are lost to the void | 15:35 |
| fungi | you could try resending something from your sent messages archive (assuming you have one) | 15:36 |
| fungi | though, those did look like temporary delivery failures | 15:36 |
| fungi | at least the one i saw | 15:36 |
| fungi | so the messages may still be sitting an some mta's queue and just haven't reached their retry interval since the fix was applied? | 15:37 |
| fungi | if so, you might give it a few hours and see if they start getting delivered to the list | 15:37 |
| clarkb | does that imply we should try making an MX record as óthers may not have the workaround and mimecast isn't interested in RFCs? | 15:38 |
| mordred | sean-k-mooney: they "said" they're re-triggering the queue | 15:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | mordred: cool ill kep an eye on it | 15:42 |
| mordred | clarkb: well - our details of what has happened are still quite skimpy | 15:42 |
| mordred | they said something about applying a list of hosts to a whitelist | 15:42 |
| mordred | maybe that whitelist is global for mimecast? | 15:42 |
| mordred | clarkb: sean-k-mooney sent a followup on the ticket saying that maybe they should fix their broken software instead of just applying a whitelist | 15:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | more or less :) | 15:43 |
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| sean-k-mooney | im sure they will ignore me but as a customer i would not consider whitelisting specific domain to be a fix | 15:44 |
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| mordred | sean-k-mooney: IKR? | 15:46 |
| fungi | clarkb: i think it means we should not add mx records so that other people can discover and fix their broken mail relays | 15:46 |
| clarkb | I'm guessing this us a heuristic for determining bad domains because only spammers and evil doers would neglect to make an MX record | 15:46 |
| fungi | except this is for deciding whether to deliver a message to those addresses, not whether to accept from them | 15:47 |
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| sean-k-mooney | can we get all the spammer to start using mimecast in that case so we dont get them on the list :) | 15:48 |
| ttx | Does this puppet-lint job fail ring any bell? https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/build/259ae152df854f9b8a5035947e131499 | 15:48 |
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| ttx | Looks unrelated to my change, but it's even hard to pinpoint what it's complaining about | 15:49 |
| mordred | fungi: yeah - like - what does the filter think it's protecting against? | 15:49 |
| ttx | maybe manifests/init.pp - WARNING: class included by absolute name (::$class) on line 9 | 15:50 |
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| fungi | ttx: yeah, it looks like it's failing to install packages | 15:50 |
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| ttx | fungi: I retried it though and it failed similarly | 15:50 |
| ttx | while others in the same job succeeded | 15:50 |
| ttx | ah, another experienced same fail tho | 15:51 |
| fungi | other what in the same job? | 15:51 |
| ttx | Looking at http://zuul.openstack.org/builds?job_name=legacy-puppet-lint | 15:51 |
| clarkb | ttx: its that warning, need to remove the :: prefixes | 15:51 |
| clarkb | in puppet 4 the :: prefix is implied so the linter decided you must no longer explicitly add them | 15:51 |
| clarkb | (its annoying) | 15:52 |
| ttx | welcome to my TED talk, "The Tyranny of the Linter" | 15:52 |
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| ttx | clarkb: excuse my Puppet limits, but should I also remove it from the ::httpd::vhost { $vhost_name: | 15:53 |
| ttx | line? | 15:54 |
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| fungi | so is that warning coming from the linter or the parser? | 15:54 |
| ttx | or just from the include | 15:54 |
| ttx | I suspect the latter. Let's try | 15:56 |
| fungi | i just find it odd that a warning would result in a failure exit code | 15:56 |
| clarkb | ttx: I think both and only the prefix :: | 15:56 |
| fungi | but then again that would be far from the strangest thing i've seen puppet do | 15:56 |
| clarkb | fungi: linter. It is perfectly valid to be explicit | 15:56 |
| clarkb | I think we must have warnings as errors set | 15:57 |
| ttx | yeah, it just happens to be weird because it's hidden below an intimidating info message | 15:57 |
| fungi | they're a couple of seconds apart, which i guess is how you can tell. would have been nice though if the linter actually indicated it was the source of that warning | 15:59 |
| fungi | output just goes directly from installing gemfiles to a complaint about a manifest | 15:59 |
| clarkb | if you google the message you get the github readme for the thing explaining it | 15:59 |
| clarkb | not really justifying the rule as much as asserting it | 15:59 |
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| fungi | who needs to justify linting rules? they're just some random person's opinion which has gotten written into a checker after all | 16:00 |
| ttx | FTR: I don't like to be trolled by the trollop gem. | 16:01 |
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| fungi | at least it's an optimistic troll | 16:01 |
| fungi | probably lives under a very nice bridge | 16:02 |
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| clarkb | we have a bridge over a creek near the house and one day when the kids were like 2 a park worker popped up from under the bridge and immediately they called him a troll and the bridge is now known as the troll bridge | 16:06 |
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| fungi | nice! | 16:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed opendev/base-jobs master: Add number of zuul job attempts to logstash events https://review.opendev.org/698779 | 18:06 |
| clarkb | infra-root ^ thats the next step in trying to track job retries more effectively. I'm hoping that we index that data then query for jobs that have >1 attempt and see if specific jobs are more likely thano thers to do it | 18:06 |
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| clarkb | ianw: just a heads up I cc'd you on a response to that dib question that was on the openstack discuss list earlier this week. They didn't end up getting properly subscribed so unfortunately we now have a thread off list | 19:00 |
| clarkb | ianw: but I'm doing my best to help them and just wanted to warn you fo that email thread | 19:00 |
| clarkb | oh we have redhat.com email on openstack-discuss now | 19:01 |
| clarkb | I guess that means the workaround is working? | 19:01 |
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| mordred | clarkb: yeah I thnk so | 19:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Carlos Goncalves proposed openstack/diskimage-builder master: DNM: Fix yumdownloader cache dir https://review.opendev.org/698788 | 19:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Carlos Goncalves proposed openstack/diskimage-builder master: Install rng-tools in Red Hat family distro images https://review.opendev.org/697183 | 20:26 |
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| ianw | clarkb: oh, ok ... can they post logs to the bug? | 20:43 |
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| clarkb | ianw: they sent me logs I'll try to update the bug with the data they sent but currently assembling furniture | 21:03 |
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| ianw | ok; also there is no greater expert on this that hrw :) | 21:03 |
| ianw | s/that/than/ | 21:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed zuul/nodepool master: Add Google Cloud provider https://review.opendev.org/698342 | 22:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed zuul/nodepool master: Add Google Cloud provider https://review.opendev.org/698342 | 22:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed zuul/nodepool master: Also build sibling container images https://review.opendev.org/697393 | 23:37 |
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