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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/project-config master: nodepool: Add more plain images https://review.opendev.org/720318 | 08:25 |
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| AJaeger | config-core, please review https://review.opendev.org/720544 https://review.opendev.org/720543 https://review.opendev.org/720235 https://review.opendev.org/720641 https://review.opendev.org/720534 | 08:47 |
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| dtantsur | hi folks! I'm looking into removing Babel from requirements.txt of the projects. Do translation scripts need it in test-requirements or can we remove it completely from all projects that don't import it? | 09:47 |
| dtantsur | amotoki: double-checking ^^ | 09:47 |
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| os-devan777 | can someone tell me if fresh installation of a keystone dev environment based on this doc works? https://docs.openstack.org/keystone/latest/contributor/set-up-keystone.html | 10:15 |
| os-devan777 | Or can someone suggest docs how to set up a development environment ? | 10:17 |
| frickler | os-devan777: this channel is about the community infrastructure used to develop and test openstack. for questions about development, please use #openstack-dev or in this case directly the project specific channel #openstack-keystone | 10:22 |
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| frickler | os-devan777: that being said, you likely want to use devstack to setup your testing environment https://docs.openstack.org/devstack/latest/ , for more questions regarding that, #openstack-qa is the matching IRC channel | 10:23 |
| os-devan777 | frickler : Thank You | 10:26 |
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| AJaeger | dtantsur: let me check... | 10:33 |
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| AJaeger | dtantsur: For releasenotes building, you need to have Babel installed, it's not installed manually. | 10:35 |
| AJaeger | dtantsur: it might be a dependency of sphinx or another package, so check that. | 10:36 |
| AJaeger | dtantsur: but most projects don't get translated, check in project-config the translate variable in file gerrit/projects.yaml - only those repos will ever see a translation | 10:36 |
| AJaeger | dtantsur: does that help? | 10:36 |
| AJaeger | dtantsur: so, for example diskimage-build is not translated, so removing Babel is safe | 10:37 |
| AJaeger | dtantsur: but python-cinderclient is translated, so needs Babel | 10:37 |
| AJaeger | bbl | 10:38 |
| dtantsur | AJaeger: okay, so can I move babel to test-requirements for cinder? | 10:46 |
| dtantsur | it's a waste to install nearly 30M of data files | 10:47 |
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| AJaeger | dtantsur: cinder has translations, those need babel | 11:02 |
| AJaeger | So, that's a run-time requirement AFAIU | 11:03 |
| dtantsur | AJaeger: yes, but not in requirements? | 11:03 |
| dtantsur | well, why? | 11:03 |
| dtantsur | even oslo.i18n stopped requiring it | 11:03 |
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| dtantsur | ref https://review.opendev.org/#/c/720550/ | 11:04 |
| AJaeger | dtantsur: we need it for extracting strings - so that's test time indeed | 11:04 |
| dtantsur | okay, so do I capture it right: 1) projects with translations should have babel in test-requirements, 2) projects without translations should not have babel anywhere? | 11:04 |
| dtantsur | we're currently wildly inconsistent in this regard. I'd like to start an ML thread asking for consistency. | 11:05 |
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| AJaeger | dtantsur: that's my understanding. Try it and check whether tests and install fail, and check that translations work | 11:05 |
| dtantsur | because, as I mentioned, installing Babel adds 30M to a venv in my testing | 11:05 |
| dtantsur | AJaeger: tests seems fine. how do I check if translations work? | 11:05 |
| AJaeger | dtantsur: install python-cinderclient or another translated package and try soemthing like LC_ALL=de cinderclient --help | 11:06 |
| dtantsur | fair enough | 11:06 |
| AJaeger | but you first need to translate strings as well probably | 11:06 |
| dtantsur | yeah, I don't see any locales in cinderclient.. | 11:07 |
| AJaeger | I don't remember all the steps, maybe somebody from i18n acn help? So, circuling back to amotoki ;) | 11:07 |
| AJaeger | dtantsur: not? Let's check another one... | 11:07 |
| dtantsur | I'm pretty sure, however, that oslo.i18n is not using babel for actual translations. | 11:08 |
| AJaeger | python-openstackclient/openstackclient/locale/tr_TR/LC_MESSAGES/ | 11:08 |
| dtantsur | (we've had this conversation with oslo folks already) | 11:08 |
| dtantsur | okay, trying this | 11:08 |
| AJaeger | dtantsur: it might be that babel is used only for extraction | 11:08 |
| amotoki | dtantsur: AJaeger: when reviewing the osc-lib patch, I checked the code of the translation support scripts. I can share what I checked one by one if needed after having dinner. | 11:09 |
| dtantsur | amotoki: would be great (and enjoy your meals!) | 11:09 |
| AJaeger | amotoki: I trust you ;) If you say, we don't need it, we're fine ;) | 11:10 |
| AJaeger | lunch time here - bbl | 11:10 |
| dtantsur | okay, it seems to work without Babel (although stevedore goes crazy when a dependency of one package is not met) | 11:14 |
| dtantsur | I see Turkish in the output of `openstack help` | 11:14 |
| dtantsur | amotoki: when you're back, please let me know if we need Babel in test-requirements or it can be removed completely | 11:16 |
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| hashar | hi | 11:58 |
| hashar | just for information, stestr 3.0.0 has been released with universal wheel support but forgot to set it required python3.5 | 11:58 |
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| hashar | so the wheel mirror has a stestr-3.0.0-py2-none-any.whl build | 11:59 |
| hashar | and whenever some build under python2 depends on stestr , that wheel get installed even though it is not working | 11:59 |
| hashar | the fix is easy: blacklist 3.0.0 entirely for example https://review.opendev.org/#/c/719609/1/test-requirements.txt | 11:59 |
| hashar | there have been a bunch of similar changes: https://review.opendev.org/#/q/message:stestr | 12:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/project-config master: Remove pypy job from x/surveil https://review.opendev.org/720699 | 12:08 |
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| hashar | AJaeger: hi, I was curious: why are the pypy jobs being dropped entirely? Is that because pypy is broken? | 12:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/project-config master: Remove pypy job from bindep https://review.opendev.org/720543 | 12:17 |
| zbr | i was trying to find the document about gitignore policy of not adding editor files but after few good minutes on google, i decided to ask here | 12:18 |
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| AJaeger | hashar: most are failing all the time | 12:40 |
| AJaeger | and just having two or three repos with it? | 12:40 |
| AJaeger | zbr: ask codesearch ;) | 12:41 |
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| AJaeger | zbr https://opendev.org/openstack/cookiecutter/commit/da86f5e042cbe069166d71809d50dea4c8b6aed0 | 12:42 |
| AJaeger | hashar: and we would need to use pypy3, not pypy with all repos now on python3 | 12:42 |
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| hashar | AJaeger: ah yeah I guess that makes sense (pypy3) thank you! | 12:42 |
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| zbr | AJaeger: i know why, but i was looking for an official documentation page about this, one that i could use in a review. | 12:44 |
| zbr | infact i want to reference it in projects outside openstack, as it totally makes sense. | 12:44 |
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| amotoki | AJaeger: dtantsur: this is what I checked. | 13:30 |
| amotoki | All translation handling logic is called after "setup_venv" [1] is called [2][3]. | 13:30 |
| amotoki | ~/.venv is prepared in playbooks/translation/pre.yaml [4]. | 13:30 |
| amotoki | This venv is created in ensure-sphinx [5] and ensure-babel role [6] installs Babel into this venv, | 13:30 |
| amotoki | so there is no need to install Babel by a project test-requirements.txt. | 13:30 |
| amotoki | [1] https://opendev.org/openstack/openstack-zuul-jobs/src/branch/master/roles/prepare-zanata-client/files/upstream_translation_update.sh#L33 | 13:30 |
| amotoki | [2] https://opendev.org/openstack/openstack-zuul-jobs/src/branch/master/roles/prepare-zanata-client/files/propose_translation_update.sh#L319 | 13:30 |
| amotoki | [3] https://opendev.org/openstack/openstack-zuul-jobs/src/branch/master/roles/prepare-zanata-client/files/upstream_translation_update.sh#L33 | 13:30 |
| amotoki | [4] https://opendev.org/openstack/project-config/src/branch/master/playbooks/translation/pre.yaml | 13:30 |
| amotoki | [5] https://opendev.org/zuul/zuul-jobs/src/branch/master/roles/ensure-sphinx/tasks/main.yaml#L46 | 13:30 |
| amotoki | [6] https://opendev.org/zuul/zuul-jobs/src/branch/master/roles/ensure-babel/tasks/main.yaml#L35 | 13:30 |
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| dtantsur | many thanks amotoki ! | 13:32 |
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| dtantsur | I've sent an email to the ML with our findings | 13:36 |
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| AJaeger | zbr: we had discussion, I think even on openstack-dicsuss, double check the archives. I don't remember an official document, cookiecutter was deemed sufficient as documented | 13:46 |
| AJaeger | amotoki: I forgot about ensure-babel role. | 13:47 |
| AJaeger | dtantsur: so, we should be fine | 13:47 |
| amotoki | dtantsur: AFAIK it is true for most python projects. if a project imports babel in its code, such project should include babel in its (test-)requirements.txt and horizon is one of such example. | 13:47 |
| dtantsur | yeah, it makes sense | 13:47 |
| amotoki | neutron dropped Babel from this reason long ago | 13:49 |
| amotoki | I am not sure why this has not happened in many projects | 13:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/project-config master: Start building focal images https://review.opendev.org/720719 | 13:53 |
| AJaeger | dtantsur: I'll add it to my cleanup list for py27 cleanup - so, when I touch a repo, will remove Babel if possible. | 13:53 |
| dtantsur | AJaeger: thanks! | 13:54 |
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| AJaeger | dtantsur: grepping it looks like I touched those already that have Babel ;( Only around 110 repos for you to touch :) | 13:59 |
| dtantsur | easy! :D | 14:00 |
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| clarkb | dtantsur: amotoki note pip installing to a venv likely won't install the .po files to places where python can find them? seems like that was an issue in the past because language files need to be in general system locations by default | 15:29 |
| clarkb | (so simply pip installing and setting LANG/LOCALE may not be sufficient to test) | 15:30 |
| dtantsur | clarkb: testing in a venv did work for me though. at least I've seen translated strings. | 15:33 |
| clarkb | dtantsur: oh cool then that was probably fixed in the gettext loading stuff to find things in the local python install too | 15:33 |
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| AJaeger | frickler: could you check https://review.opendev.org/#/c/720544/ again, please? | 15:45 |
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| frickler | AJaeger: commented, not 100% convinced, but I also don't feel strong enough about it to block it | 15:48 |
| AJaeger | frickler: ok, let's see what others say | 15:49 |
| AJaeger | thx | 15:49 |
| fungi | dtantsur: AJaeger: when it came up as a subthread of the epic ironic thread recently, it was suggested that oslo.i18n only relies on babel for "lazy translations" which most projects don't make use of. i don't know much about it myself, but i think it was covered in one of bnemec's replies | 15:50 |
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| dtantsur | fungi: right, and then we figured out that even oslo.i18n doesn't need babel | 15:50 |
| dtantsur | they've dropped it | 15:50 |
| AJaeger | fungi: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/720550/ was approved by bnemec | 15:52 |
| fungi | zbr: we opted to try to document it in the .gitignore file of every repository which chooses to implement that policy. it's not an openstack-wide policy, just a recommendation, so we stick it in the default .gitignore in the cookiecutter templates | 15:52 |
| bnemec | Yeah, we didn't know the stdlib provides that list too. | 15:52 |
| bnemec | I won't promise that the translation jobs don't need it, but even if that's the case it can go to test-requirements. | 15:53 |
| AJaeger | bnemec: amotoki checked, the translation jobs don't need it | 15:54 |
| bnemec | Awesome :-) | 15:55 |
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| AJaeger | translation jobs need Babel and install it themselves, we need "pybabel extract" etc | 15:57 |
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| clarkb | AJaeger: bnemec right its the split between managing files for translation activities itself (babel) and consumeing the output of translation activitiyes at runtime (python stdlib gettext) | 16:01 |
| clarkb | it should be totally safe to use Babel as a development tool and not runtime dep | 16:01 |
| AJaeger | agreed | 16:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/project-config master: Change gerrit ACLs for cinder-tempest-plugin https://review.opendev.org/720235 | 19:33 |
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