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| openstackgerrit | Andrii Ostapenko proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: Add ability to use upload-docker-image in periodic jobs https://review.opendev.org/740560 | 02:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | James Page proposed openstack/openstack-zuul-jobs master: Add template for charm check and gate https://review.opendev.org/740614 | 06:23 |
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| AJaeger | ttx, the maintain-github-openstack-mirror job succeeded for the first time, see https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/build/7bf6b09b554c416e8e237ea754531837 - is that all fine now? | 09:27 |
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| ttx | AJaeger: It looks good! Thanks for doing another iteration over the weekend. I was operating under the assumption that yaml was systematically installed (much like requests is) | 09:47 |
| ttx | I'll watch it for the rest of the week, but I'm optimistic it's all fine now | 09:48 |
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| AJaeger | ttx, a new venv does not include yaml. | 09:54 |
| AJaeger | ttx, it looked good to me as well. Glad to hear! | 09:54 |
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| fungi | i wouldn't expect a new venv to include requests either. for me, when i create one locally with `python3 -m venv foo` the only packages preinstalled are pip and setuptools | 14:26 |
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| ttx | fungi: indeed, PyGitHub depends on requests. I should probably add the depend more explicitly | 14:55 |
| ttx | since I make direct use of it | 14:55 |
| ttx | (I was confused by the "python on the nodes has requests and yaml preinstalled" factoid I used for the runs-on-node jobs) | 14:56 |
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| fungi | yeah, if you import something then best to directly declare it as a dependency. at one time we had a poc tool to find places where projects were importing transitive dependencies, though it relied on some pip internals which weren't portable to the new world order | 15:09 |
| fungi | from time to time, whatever direct dependency was bringing that in suddenly refactors and decides to do things a different way so drops that dependency, and then your application breaks | 15:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/project-config master: maintain-github-mirror: add requests dependency https://review.opendev.org/740711 | 15:10 |
| ttx | that should do it ^ | 15:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | James Page proposed openstack/openstack-zuul-jobs master: Add template for charm check and gate https://review.opendev.org/740614 | 15:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrii Ostapenko proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: Add ability to use upload-docker-image in periodic jobs https://review.opendev.org/740560 | 17:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged zuul/zuul-jobs master: Strip path from default ensure_pip_from_upstream_interpreters https://review.opendev.org/740505 | 20:04 |
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| smcginnis | That last merge hopefully addresses any remaining concerns for https://review.opendev.org/738926 | 20:44 |
| smcginnis | Would be nice to get that merged to see if we can get nightly requirements updates going again. | 20:44 |
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| clarkb | smcginnis: left a note on https://review.opendev.org/738926 | 20:46 |
| smcginnis | clarkb: responded | 20:47 |
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| clarkb | smcginnis: I think there is a conflict then because you are using the upstream interpreters list to specify not upstream packages? | 20:47 |
| smcginnis | We need the packages installed. Installing from pypi isn't going to get installed for each version. It's a standard lib that's packaged separately for each version. | 20:47 |
| clarkb | I don't know that it works that way | 20:48 |
| clarkb | it being the role | 20:48 |
| smcginnis | clarkb: Yeah, we had discussed that in the zuul updates. It's an unfortunate naming problem with the variable now that will be a bunch of work to fix now. | 20:48 |
| smcginnis | So it sounds like it is only for upstream, but it is used in the package task too. | 20:48 |
| clarkb | oh I see this was updated recently | 20:49 |
| smcginnis | clarkb: Found the discussion we had about the naming: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23zuul/%23zuul.2020-07-09.log.html#t2020-07-09T20:48:55 | 20:50 |
| clarkb | smcginnis: what we can do is call the var ensure_pip_interpreters and default the other older value to the new thing | 20:50 |
| clarkb | then use the new name to reduce confusion | 20:50 |
| smcginnis | clarkb: Hah, read the dicsussion. | 20:51 |
| clarkb | I'm not saying template the name | 20:51 |
| clarkb | I'm saying make a new var for both things then default the old names to that value | 20:52 |
| smcginnis | Sorry, jump down: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23zuul/%23zuul.2020-07-09.log.html#t2020-07-09T21:26:34 | 20:52 |
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| clarkb | ya I mean its a bit clunky in the ansible but it is doable | 20:53 |
| clarkb | you have to create an internal artificial value | 20:54 |
| clarkb | puppet actually basically forced you to do this since you couldn't redefine things, you run into similar sets of problems with ansible though | 20:54 |
| smcginnis | How would it be kept up to date so the right value is used? Once the default is set, you don't know if you are using the default or using something someone specified, and for which variable. | 20:55 |
| clarkb | you set the default at the artificial value | 20:55 |
| smcginnis | The other option was to have a completely duplicate but separate variable. | 20:55 |
| clarkb | you do something lik x = nil, y = nil, z = if x then x else if y then y else default | 20:56 |
| clarkb | then you only uze z internally | 20:56 |
| clarkb | (and you don't expect users to modify z) | 20:57 |
| smcginnis | Then I think any time anyone would use that variable, they would need to know to do that long check, right? | 20:57 |
| smcginnis | Because you can't default it. | 20:57 |
| clarkb | you can default it the way I described | 20:58 |
| clarkb | the key is to stop setting defaults on x and y which are you external facing api | 20:58 |
| clarkb | that way you can tell if the user has set it or not | 20:58 |
| clarkb | then define z with the default if neither x or y are defined | 20:59 |
| smcginnis | But then the default is set before the other variables are overridden by the user. | 20:59 |
| clarkb | thats not how it works | 20:59 |
| clarkb | roles are evaluated in order | 20:59 |
| smcginnis | OK, that's not the order of operations that were explained to me, so I guess that's good. | 20:59 |
| clarkb | I think you can't do it in the dfeaults file maybe | 21:00 |
| smcginnis | Oh, add another task in a common role or every role that uses the variable to set the other variable. | 21:00 |
| clarkb | but I'm positive you can do it as the first task in the role | 21:00 |
| clarkb | and probably you can do it in a vars file | 21:00 |
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| prometheanfire | speaking again from yesterday looks like setuptools is rolling forward with the setuptools-48 behaviour, I think we'll need to pin setuptools until openstack gate is ready (set envars I think) https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/issues/2232 | 22:43 |
| prometheanfire | does infra have a workaround or do we need to pin setuptools | 22:43 |
| clarkb | prometheanfire: devstack installs its own version of pip and setuptools and all that so the fixing needs to be in there I think | 22:44 |
| clarkb | for other jobs I would expect they are largely in virtualenvs so won't have these problems | 22:44 |
| clarkb | in general though moving towards virtualenvs as much as possible is likely a good idea | 22:44 |
| fungi | yeah, the problem is mainly going to crop up in jobs which use `sudo pip install ...` | 22:53 |
| fungi | and even then they may not notice it unless there's a collision with distro-supplied packages getting installed on the same system | 22:53 |
| clarkb | fungi: no the collisions aren't an issue | 22:53 |
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| clarkb | pip will already fail if it cannot uninstall a distro installed package which is based on whether or not distutils was used and not setuptools (regardless of the pathing) | 22:54 |
| prometheanfire | hard coded paths iirc? | 22:54 |
| clarkb | the issue we're facing is hard coded paths to /usr/local/bin which won't be used anymore | 22:54 |
| clarkb | a simple fix is to simply rely on PATH and get away from using hard coded path | 22:54 |
| fungi | ahh, yeah, granted those wouldn't have worked on rh-based distros anyway | 22:54 |
| fungi | so it was already a non-portable pattern | 22:55 |
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| prometheanfire | so, they are gonna roll forward tomorrow, fyi | 23:14 |
| clarkb | prometheanfire: maybe you can send an emailto the thread that was started for the issue and rewarn people? | 23:18 |
| fungi | this is the second thing they've permanently broken with the `sudo pip install ...` case in the past year or so | 23:18 |
| clarkb | but I think its largely up to the tools like devstack to address it | 23:18 |
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| fungi | (well, between pip and setuptools, but same crowd) | 23:19 |
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