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| openstackgerrit | Sorin Sbarnea (zbr) proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: Bump ansible-lint to speed it up https://review.opendev.org/741897 | 09:27 |
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| artom | fungi, o/ continuing our multi-numa/SMT conversation from a while ago (in the context of OpenEdge being down) | 13:58 |
| artom | If we wanted to get other providers on board with those kinds of features (the ones that already provide nested-virt), what would be the best way forward? | 13:59 |
| donnyd | As soon as the heat wave breaks here OE will be back online | 13:59 |
| artom | I was told it was possible to use image metadata and configure the properties we need in nodepool directly | 13:59 |
| donnyd | I think they just need to create a flavor that is setup correctly | 14:00 |
| clarkb | artom: I'm not sure that is true since numa requires specific flavor support I thought | 14:00 |
| clarkb | donnyd: yes that is my undersatnding because you have to be scheduler aware (hypervisors only have so many numa slots) | 14:00 |
| artom | clarkb, as long as the flavor doesn't explicitly forbid it (ie, sets hw:numa_nodes=1), we can use image properties to override it (ie hw_numa_nodes=2) | 14:01 |
| clarkb | artom: what happens if you get scheduled to a node where that isn't possible? | 14:01 |
| clarkb | does it soft fail? | 14:01 |
| artom | clarkb, but that feels impolite, essentially going behind providers's backs | 14:02 |
| clarkb | artom: also its likely to fail because the scheduler can't help ensure it will work | 14:02 |
| artom | Doing it in the flavor would be more transparent and honest | 14:02 |
| artom | clarkb, Nova takes image properties into account when scheduling | 14:02 |
| clarkb | gotcha | 14:03 |
| artom | So I could just try to hack image meta in project-config and push that as a WIP/DNM to get the ball rolling | 14:03 |
| clarkb | usually what we do is ask the cloud providers directly to see what is possible or feasible. mnaser logan- and artom may have specific thoughts on numa (I believe all 3 have clouds that enabled nested virt already) | 14:03 |
| clarkb | I imagine this won't work on xen or where nested virt is disabled (which I think rules out rax and inap but I would have to check on inap) | 14:04 |
| artom | clarkb, yeah, this would only work on providers that already have a nested-virt- flavor | 14:04 |
| artom | And doesn't actually require anything else. The guest NUMA topology is completely independent of the host's | 14:04 |
| clarkb | also you may want to work wtih ericcson and citynetwork to see if we can do anything to make that cloud more reliable? | 14:05 |
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| clarkb | things were happy before because donnyd stepped in to fill the gap they left, but that left the problem existing on that side I Think | 14:05 |
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| fungi | yes, the scheduling issue in citycloud has continued | 14:06 |
| clarkb | oh I see, if you pin guests to numa node on the hypervisor you can increase performance, but then within that you can present a different virtualized numa topology in the guest itself? | 14:09 |
| artom | clarkb, they're essentially independent things | 14:09 |
| artom | (And I had the wrong image property, it's hw_cpu_sockets) | 14:10 |
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| clarkb | artom: ya, I've always seen it in the context of the hyper visor not the guest, but that leads me to wondering what that image property controls | 14:10 |
| artom | The guest topology can be whatever the image properties/flavor extra specs say | 14:10 |
| clarkb | is it controling the hypervisor side configuration or the virtual topology in the guest? | 14:10 |
| clarkb | also I don't think a cpu socket is necessarily a numa node? | 14:10 |
| artom | True | 14:11 |
| clarkb | We need a Sean Mooney signal as I'm sure Sean could clarify all of this for us | 14:11 |
| artom | Heh, it was talking to him that I first hatched this thought | 14:12 |
| artom | But now we've confused ourselves | 14:12 |
| clarkb | I'm not sure I was ever unconfused :) but ya I think we need to be clear what the actual needs are: is it performance and we need/want the hypervisor to be smart of scheduling the VM workloads? is it testing of nova's NUMA code paths within a guest and we are happy with a "virtual" numa topology? then depending on which of those things it is do we actually get what we want via image properties? | 14:14 |
| artom | clarkb, oh, I'm clear on what I want | 14:14 |
| clarkb | artom: fwiw it was sean that set up the NUMA stuff with donnyd on openedge and the flavor was used there not image properties | 14:14 |
| clarkb | artom: its not clear to me | 14:14 |
| artom | The second - testing the Nova NUMA codepaths | 14:14 |
| clarkb | thanks | 14:14 |
| artom | So virtual topology is perfectly fine | 14:14 |
| artom | My confusion is can we actually achieve that with only image properties | 14:15 |
| artom | Sean was saying "yes" | 14:15 |
| artom | But now that I look at it (the docs, at least), I'm not so sure | 14:15 |
| artom | With pure libvirt it's possible in the XML | 14:15 |
| artom | But with Nova it looks like we need flavor and compute host hardware support (in the shape of multiple NUMA nodes) | 14:16 |
| clarkb | ya I'm looking at flavor docs and hw_cpu_sockets isn't quite what we want | 14:17 |
| clarkb | and it seems to make this work we need the provider to have configured things to avoid errors | 14:17 |
| artom | Right - well, in any case, the thing to do seems to be "have a discussion with the providers" and not "do stuff behind their back with images in nodepool" | 14:21 |
| artom | So short-term we can use OpenEdge in non-voting job for the stuff we need (multi-numa and SMT) | 14:21 |
| artom | While we work on expanding that support with other providers | 14:21 |
| donnyd | What is the timeline for getting these jobs done? | 14:21 |
| donnyd | Its possible I could get something fired up, but I won't be able to leave it on until I get a replacement air handler | 14:22 |
| artom | donnyd, take your time, this isn't life or death :) | 14:22 |
| donnyd | kk | 14:22 |
| artom | OpenStack will live on even if NUMA isn't tested in the gate ;) | 14:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam Mann proposed openstack/devstack-gate master: Always assume glance is uwsgi mode for grenade https://review.opendev.org/741955 | 14:23 |
| artom | And as always, what you do is very appreciated :) | 14:23 |
| artom | We just need to actually be able to land patches | 14:23 |
| artom | (not in a Nova itself, the NUMA testing is done in a tempest plugin) | 14:23 |
| artom | And for that, we need to move off openedge while it's cooling ;) | 14:23 |
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| kaiokmo | hello gents, does anyone know a way to hide openstack openrc variables from an ansible execution in debug mode? | 14:58 |
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| fungi | kaiokmo: you're probably looking for the #openstack or #openstack-ansible channels... you've found the channel used by the testing and collaboration tools sig | 15:00 |
| kaiokmo | fungi: I see... tyvm | 15:00 |
| fungi | you're welcome! | 15:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Elod Illes proposed openstack/openstack-zuul-jobs master: Enable neutron-grenade again for Stein, Rocky and Queens https://review.opendev.org/741274 | 15:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged zuul/zuul-jobs master: add-build-sshkey: Ensure .ssh exists, enable admin authorized_keys https://review.opendev.org/740350 | 15:57 |
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| jokke | Anyone aware of releases over the weekend in our dependencies. Looks like glance functional jobs are failing by the api rpocess not starting but no clear indication why | 16:17 |
| fungi | jokke: check the discuss ml, there was a change in devstack which make glance no longer work without tls-proxy enabled | 16:19 |
| fungi | er, which made | 16:19 |
| jokke | the functional jobs are not running against devstack, so that should not be it, but thanks will have a look on that still | 16:19 |
| fungi | i think the solution has been to start turning on tls-proxy anywhere it wasn't already used, and to consider making it on by default in devstack | 16:19 |
| fungi | ahh, not sure what would have impacted non-devstack functional jobs then. have a link to a build which failed? | 16:20 |
| fungi | but yeah, the reason my mind jumped to tls-proxy is that the symptom was g-api not starting | 16:20 |
| jokke | fungi: https://1673d900d285d3364834-2ea81b3730bb9953c88a89ad16b24dc1.ssl.cf5.rackcdn.com/741321/1/gate/openstack-tox-functional-py38/81597a5/ | 16:24 |
| jokke | We saw that on our periodic tips jobs and just realized that it wasn't just tips failing | 16:25 |
| fungi | jokke: thanks, i'm in the middle of a meeting but will pull it up and see if i can spot anything | 16:25 |
| clarkb | pymysql dropped context manager support in some place that hit tooz | 16:25 |
| jokke | fungi: amazing, thanks | 16:25 |
| jokke | clarkb: thanks, will look into that as possibility | 16:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam Mann proposed openstack/devstack-gate master: Always assume glance is uwsgi mode for grenade https://review.opendev.org/741955 | 16:53 |
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| jokke | http://paste.openstack.org/show/796135/ our potential culprits. That's pip3 freeze between working functional venv and broken one | 17:15 |
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| fungi | i guess we don't collect the api log for that job? | 18:04 |
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| fungi | probably the next step is to attempt to reproduce that result locally and see if the api log indicates what caused the service not to start (i expect there will be a python traceback) | 18:57 |
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| AJaeger | config-core, please review https://review.opendev.org/737578 and https://review.opendev.org/741274 | 19:06 |
| gmann | AJaeger: clarkb fungi can you review this to unblock legacy grenade jobs -https://review.opendev.org/#/c/741955/ | 19:16 |
| jokke | fungi: so we've been hammmering this with abhishekk for few hours now. He just found out that if we bypass stestr the tests executes clean, but looking my broken venv and non-broken one the stestr version has not changed so kind of in a dead end again | 19:20 |
| fungi | jokke: when it breaks, is there an api log left behind by the service which might indicate why it didn't start (traceback, anything)? | 19:21 |
| jokke | fungi: no there is message: | 19:22 |
| jokke | Captured api: | 19:22 |
| jokke | ~~~~~~~~~~~~ /tmp/tmpcg9lcwrq/multiple_backend_api.log for api did not exist | 19:22 |
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| AJaeger | gmann: I'm not a devstack-gate core | 19:38 |
| gmann | ohk | 19:38 |
| gmann | mordred: corvus if you are around, this is to unblock legacy grenade jobs https://review.opendev.org/#/c/741955/ | 19:39 |
| corvus | gmann: +2 clarkb ^ | 19:40 |
| gmann | corvus: thanks | 19:40 |
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| clarkb | corvus: gmann looking | 19:42 |
| fungi | i was trying to digest the related discussion in #openstack-tc first | 19:47 |
| fungi | but yeah, it seems to jive | 19:47 |
| clarkb | fungi: we're forcing unsupported glance config in grenade because supported glance config support was never added to devsatck/grenade | 19:52 |
| clarkb | its quite fun | 19:52 |
| fungi | yep | 19:56 |
| fungi | that's an accurate summary | 19:57 |
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| jokke | fungi: looks like it's dnspython ... once that's capped we are working again | 20:08 |
| jokke | need to see what's changed and hunt down where do we use that | 20:08 |
| fungi | that library used to introduce a lot of breakage every time they released, but it's been a while now since the last time i remember it causing an issue | 20:12 |
| fungi | maybe they took a few years off ;) | 20:12 |
| jokke | well they released 2.0.0 so this time they have at least versioned it correctly for breaking | 20:14 |
| fungi | oh good | 20:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged zuul/zuul-jobs master: Enable tls-proxy in ensure-devstack https://review.opendev.org/741820 | 20:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/devstack-gate master: Always assume glance is uwsgi mode for grenade https://review.opendev.org/741955 | 21:18 |
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