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| openstackgerrit | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/project-config master: kolla-cli: deprecation - remove noop jobs https://review.opendev.org/749672 | 08:30 |
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| zbr | There is an interesting survey going at https://discuss.python.org/t/pep-621-how-to-specify-dependencies/4599/192 related to python packaging and dependencies. | 11:29 |
| zbr | You may want to complete it if you want to avoid further new surprises in the near future. | 11:30 |
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| fungi | interesting, but looks like it was tossed up by a random user nothing official from the folks making those decisions. but yes, they still might refer to the results of that survey in the future to justify some change or another i suppose | 13:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/project-config master: kolla-cli: deprecation - Mark as deprecated in Gerrit https://review.opendev.org/749688 | 13:16 |
| zbr | fungi: can we continue with https://review.opendev.org/#/c/748688/ ? | 13:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Oleksandr Kozachenko proposed openstack/project-config master: Add openstack/senlin to vexxhost tenant https://review.opendev.org/749730 | 13:22 |
| fungi | it sounded like clarkb wanted to get feedback from corvus on who to set as list admin before proceeding, though that can also be changed quite easily once the list is created. clarkb: is that escape hatch sufficient for you? | 13:22 |
| zbr | i could also use a look at https://review.opendev.org/#/c/697448/ -- very old on git-review, but seems genuine | 13:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Oleksandr Kozachenko proposed openstack/project-config master: Add openstack/senlin, openstack/senlin-tempest-plugin to vexxhost tenant https://review.opendev.org/749730 | 13:41 |
| hashar | zbr: I really like that "notopic" option :] | 13:50 |
| hashar | unrelated, opendev/gear (a python implementation of the gearman protocol used by zuul) has a bunch of pending patches. Most seems straightforward | 13:51 |
| zbr | i observed myself that topic gets overriden/lost, so I would support not overriding the topic by default | 13:51 |
| zbr | most of the time i forget to set it when I create new review and do it using web ui | 13:51 |
| hashar | I am wondering how I can setup some dynamic to have them reviewed. Apparently opendev/gear is owned by openstack-infra group which is just a handful of people | 13:51 |
| zbr | but when you do this, it gets lost unless you redownload the change locally | 13:51 |
| hashar | zbr: yup it is surely annoying ;) | 13:54 |
| fungi | hashar: zbr: yep, i commented on the git-review --notopic patch, i'd personally love to see that eventually become the default | 13:55 |
| fungi | i never liked the autotopic functionality, but especially don't like the bug id scraping it does | 13:57 |
| hashar | fungi: any hint as who may review opendev/gear patches? There are a bunch of them piled up :D | 14:00 |
| fungi | hashar: we have a lot of crossover between folks interested in gear and zuul/nodepool, i'm one of them, but the gear-core gerrit group with approval rights for those is basically just synonymous with our infra-core group, so clarkb, ianw, corvus, frickler, and mordred | 14:04 |
| fungi | (in addition to me) | 14:04 |
| fungi | i expect we could add other interested reviewers as well | 14:05 |
| hashar | all the cool infra kids ;] | 14:05 |
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| hashar | I guess I will poke this channel from time to time to move those patches forward | 14:08 |
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| fungi | hashar: it's appreciated, we have lots of repos and not very many people and frequently other things going on, so it's too easy to lose track. helps for someone to point out which patches have more immediate benefit out of the haystack | 14:11 |
| hashar | yes known issue as in any orgainzation. code review does not scale. | 14:12 |
| hashar | Maybe I should volunteer myself to help with the maintenance of some of the tools I am familiar with | 14:12 |
| fungi | if you have the time (do any of us have the time?), i'm sure it would be appreciated | 14:16 |
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| zbr | mordred: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/711474/ can be abandoned | 14:24 |
| zbr | the reality is that openstack/opendev* is probably affected more about lingering reviews than other projects, I seen some zombie patches | 14:26 |
| hashar | fungi: any list I can use to volunteer myself? Seems I can use the high traffic openstack-discuss with topic [tact-sig] or opendev service-discuss or maybe the zuul-discuss is more narrow | 14:27 |
| zbr | one of the reasons I ended up creating a helper cli too: https://pypi.org/project/gri/ | 14:27 |
| fungi | hashar: all the relevant people are on service-discuss, since the gear project is in the opendev namespace | 14:28 |
| hashar | good, I will use that one so :] | 14:28 |
| hashar | and git-review is conveniently under opendev/* as well | 14:28 |
| fungi | that's the appropriate place to bring it up (even though zuul is probably the most prominent consumer at the moment, there's eventual plan to no longer need gearman) | 14:29 |
| fungi | zbr: yeah, for opendev namespace projects, a lot of the time constraint challenge is that we tend to get sidelined a lot by systems administration tasks, emergency fixes, upgrades, maintenance windows... so feature development and other noncritical reviews have an increased tendency to fall through the cracks | 14:31 |
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| zbr | i know, and it is bit of vicious cycle because by not paying attention to incoming changes, we loose opportunity to find new maintainers for these cool projects that we have. If someone that tried to add a small feature/fix is observing lack of attention, they loose interest. | 14:34 |
| fungi | i agree | 14:36 |
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| clarkb | fungi: yes, if we want to sort out list admins later that is fine | 14:52 |
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| hashar | zbr: at wikimedia we have yet to find a solution to manage code reviews :-\ despite various efforts and some folks having the opporutnity to work full time at the problem | 15:04 |
| hashar | we more or less have every patches associated with a bug/issue/task | 15:04 |
| hashar | and use the bug tracker to prioritize work which leads to attached patches to be reviewed | 15:05 |
| hashar | but that just push the problem to another dimension: what do we do with the ten of thousands of idling bugs/issues that are in the bug tracker? ;-] | 15:05 |
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| fungi | yeah, i don't think openstack or opendev are unique in having lots of unaddressed proposed changes. i've personally had pull requests to random projects in github sit for years, and i've seen lots of commits from others go unreviewed in a bunch of open source projects. the common factor to me seems to be that popular projects which encourage commit proposals either have a long tail of unreviewed | 15:25 |
| fungi | proposals or regularly close them out as "stale" via some automation | 15:25 |
| clarkb | a key thing seems to be patience on both sides. We're all doing our best and acting in good faith. | 15:25 |
| zbr | but you cannot close a PR that passed CI had no requested change, a purely unreviewed one. | 15:26 |
| zbr | but bots are quite good for reminding people about what is actionable | 15:26 |
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| fungi | not sure about the passed ci part, but we actually have a zuul job which closes github pull requests on our project mirrors there (since they can't be disabled) | 15:28 |
| fungi | maybe the bot's comment counts as a requested change? | 15:29 |
| fungi | or the lack of ci results is what allows it to be closed? | 15:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack/project-config master: Revert "Pin setuptools<50 in our image venvs" https://review.opendev.org/749777 | 16:19 |
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| fungi | clarkb: following on from the #zuul discussion, --prefer-binary might also be useful for openstack testing to avoid the race between when some project uploads a new sdist but not a wheel and/or we haven't built our own wheels for it yet | 16:40 |
| clarkb | ++ | 16:40 |
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