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| yoctozepto | morning infra | 08:57 |
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| yoctozepto | would it be possible for you to make https://launchpad.net/grenade owned by the QA team? or do we have to catch Sean Dague? :D | 08:59 |
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| frickler | gmann: the stackviz job is now failing with missing tox it seems. maybe you can check this further? https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/build/65a2fc0fa72d4f609d4f62ee0ffe42b2 | 10:27 |
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| frickler | yoctozepto: I can't, but likely some other infra root should be able to do so later | 10:27 |
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| yoctozepto | frickler: ack | 11:04 |
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| fungi | yoctozepto: i can look into it in a bit... the fact that it's got sdague as the maintainer and dtroyer as the only drivers group member does not look promising though | 13:00 |
| yoctozepto | fungi: thanks; heh, my thoughts exactly... | 13:00 |
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| fungi | yoctozepto: no luck, my membership in the openstack admins group does not seem to extend to control of projects marked "part of: openstack" and the individual ownership on the grenade-core group means i can't even add myself to it via the admins group, so you're going to need either sdague or maybe dtroyer to hand over control of the project | 14:09 |
| fungi | either of them would probably respond to a private e-mail request to switch it to the lp group for the qa team | 14:10 |
| fungi | though it may take time | 14:11 |
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| yoctozepto | fungi: ack, thank you for checking | 14:36 |
| yoctozepto | I see the "right" group exists already https://launchpad.net/~grenade-drivers/+members#active | 14:36 |
| yoctozepto | and mtreinish is able to modify it | 14:37 |
| yoctozepto | and based on launchpad roles | 14:37 |
| yoctozepto | I need to contact sdague to assign this group in the proper places | 14:37 |
| yoctozepto | mtreinish: you around perhaps? | 14:38 |
| fungi | yoctozepto: yes, it's either that or we try to convince the lp admins to do it for us | 14:39 |
| mtreinish | what do I need to do? | 14:41 |
| mtreinish | fungi: I made you an admin in the group so you can do whatever you need | 14:43 |
| fungi | mtreinish: thanks, that works, i'll get it configured | 14:44 |
| fungi | still doesn't solve the grenade project control problem, but at least the group will be ready to switch to | 14:45 |
| fungi | mm, actually dtroyer is the owner of that group too, and ownership apparently can't be changed by a group administrator | 14:46 |
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| fungi | corvus: not urgent, but looks like you're the only administrator of the https://launchpad.net/~openstack-admins group... i've invited it to join grenade-drivers until someone has time to try and get dtroyer to update the ownership on that group, but an openstack-admins group administrator has to accept the invitation for it to take effect | 14:57 |
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| yoctozepto | mtreinish: thank you | 14:59 |
| mtreinish | sure, np | 15:00 |
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| gmann | fungi: mtreinish thanks, also can you add yoctozepto and myself in grenade-driver https://launchpad.net/~grenade-drivers/+members | 15:38 |
| fungi | i can | 15:39 |
| gmann | fungi: mtreinish yoctozepto also we need to update 'Drivers' in this. currently it is different group 'grenade-core' https://launchpad.net/grenade | 15:39 |
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| fungi | gmann: yes, we don't have access to modify that at all. we need dtroyer to change the group owners for core and drivers, and we need sdague to change the project owner for grenade. none of these were set up the way as other openstack projects/groups with openstack-admins as owners | 15:40 |
| gmann | yeah | 15:40 |
| gmann | fungi: let me reach out to them via email to change Maintainer to 'OpenStack Administrators' | 15:42 |
| fungi | gmann: well, what we ultimately need is for openstack-admins to be the owner of the grenade-core and grenade-drivers groups, and then have one of those set as the owner of grenade | 15:43 |
| fungi | but if grenade ownership is also set to openstack-admins, then i can take care of switching it to teh grenade-core or grenade-drivers group | 15:43 |
| fungi | whatever's easier | 15:43 |
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| gmann | sure | 15:44 |
| mtreinish | fwiw if iirc the grenade lp project was just for the bug tracker which has open permissions. Blueprints were never really a thing on grenade | 15:45 |
| fungi | yeah, there's no "bug supervisor" group so bug status and reassignment aren't restricted | 15:46 |
| fungi | but group ownership would still be good in order to be able to update things like the project description/links | 15:46 |
| yoctozepto | ...series, priorities, etc. | 15:48 |
| yoctozepto | gmann: you writing to sdague? because I started already :-) | 15:48 |
| gmann | yoctozepto: nice, you can do. keep me in cc too. | 15:49 |
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| gmann | but i cannot change the 'Importance' in grenade bugs yet, yoctozepto can you? | 15:50 |
| yoctozepto | gmann: yeah, I can't; that's why I started this campaign :-) | 15:51 |
| gmann | i mean now | 15:51 |
| yoctozepto | I called it 'priority', always forgetting the nomenclature | 15:51 |
| yoctozepto | I could not previously | 15:51 |
| gmann | ah Driver is not updated yet, got it | 15:51 |
| yoctozepto | and still cannot | 15:51 |
| yoctozepto | yes :-) | 15:52 |
| yoctozepto | also, fwiw, the maintainer in devstack https://launchpad.net/devstack should be devstack-drivers, as it is with the other projects | 15:53 |
| yoctozepto | and openstack administrators should be a part of the devstack-drivers team | 15:54 |
| yoctozepto | fungi: ^ | 15:54 |
| yoctozepto | (I'm not admin there so can't do either) | 15:54 |
| yoctozepto | also gmann ^^^ | 15:55 |
| fungi | looking | 15:55 |
| fungi | yeah, since openstack-admins is the owner of debstack-drivers, we can make devstack-drivers the manitainer of devstack safely, and it would be consistent with e.g. nova that way. doing that now | 15:56 |
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| gmann | yeah, but i cannot modify it | 15:56 |
| gmann | fungi: can change | 15:57 |
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| yoctozepto | fungi: thanks | 15:57 |
| fungi | #status log Switched owner of devstack project on Launchpad from openstack-admins to devstack-drivers (the latter is still owned by openstack-admins) | 15:57 |
| yoctozepto | now someone add openstack admins to devstack-drivers as well | 15:58 |
| openstackstatus | fungi: finished logging | 15:58 |
| yoctozepto | ah, it's owned | 15:58 |
| yoctozepto | good catch | 15:58 |
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| yoctozepto | eh, launchpad permissions model is crazy :D | 15:58 |
| fungi | yeah, normally openstack-admins is not a member of other groups, it's used to own other groups | 15:58 |
| fungi | helps cut down on the spam from member additions/removals | 15:58 |
| yoctozepto | I made gmann admin on grenade-drivers just in case | 15:59 |
| yoctozepto | fungi: ack | 15:59 |
| yoctozepto | I wonder if it can "own" it now | 15:59 |
| yoctozepto | somehow | 15:59 |
| fungi | nope, that has to be changed by the current group owner | 16:00 |
| gmann | yeah, let's wait for Sean reply. | 16:00 |
| fungi | well, for the group ownership you need dtroyer | 16:00 |
| fungi | project ownership needs sdague | 16:00 |
| yoctozepto | fungi: ack, but I was wondering about whether dtroyer could | 16:01 |
| yoctozepto | so that's clear | 16:01 |
| yoctozepto | sdague will hopefully move the project to grenade-drivers' hands | 16:01 |
| mtreinish | I just pinged sdague, he said it's not a problem to update things (he'll probably need the details on what to change in the email) | 16:02 |
| fungi | yeah, if you're asking whether a member of the project's drivers group can change the project owner, i don't think so. but yeah if sdague makes grenade-drivers the maintainer (and driver) of grenade, and then dtroyer makes grenade-drivers (and grenade-core while he's at it) owned by openstack-admins then i can help with whatever else is needed | 16:02 |
| yoctozepto | gmann: related thing - are we going to extend the core group on devstack-gate? | 16:02 |
| yoctozepto | mtreinish: ooh, cool; I dropped him instructions on his gmail mailbox | 16:03 |
| gmann | mtreinish: thanks | 16:03 |
| fungi | yoctozepto: i hope we're going to stop merging changes to devstack-gate? | 16:03 |
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| yoctozepto | fungi: I hope too | 16:03 |
| yoctozepto | I wish we could drop it | 16:03 |
| gmann | yeah hope this is last release we support d-g | 16:04 |
| yoctozepto | let's add a 'fail if xena' task in 2 weeks from now and we will know for sure it's no longer utilised | 16:04 |
| gmann | yoctozepto: +1, I like the idea | 16:05 |
| gmann | and we can officially announce it as deprecated and not supported for Xena or higher. fungi clarkb ? | 16:06 |
| yoctozepto | ++ | 16:06 |
| fungi | sounds great | 16:06 |
| yoctozepto | but I would still see myself having core in it for the sake of our stable branches | 16:06 |
| yoctozepto | (though hopefully it will not be required to be used) | 16:07 |
| clarkb | I can think of no reason to keep supporting it :) | 16:07 |
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| fungi | maybe we could consider letting the qa team adopt it if it's really still needed | 16:07 |
| clarkb | ++ | 16:07 |
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| gmann | fungi: sure, that make sense | 16:07 |
| clarkb | to be fair they largely have, I do infrequent reviews if necessary but they drive the changes | 16:07 |
| fungi | they're the only ones making changes to it for the past several years | 16:08 |
| fungi | right, that | 16:08 |
| yoctozepto | oh well | 16:08 |
| gmann | upstream CI are all good except few greande jobs but 3rd party CI might need more time to move from d-g | 16:08 |
| yoctozepto | sdague fixed our access gmann | 16:09 |
| gmann | but having a hard error for Xena onwards will be good step | 16:09 |
| yoctozepto | (to grenade) | 16:09 |
| gmann | yoctozepto: yeah, updated 'Driver:' also. all good on grenade now | 16:10 |
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| yoctozepto | ++ | 16:12 |
| fungi | just need dtroyer to switch the owner on grenade-drivers and grenade-core to openstack-admins now | 16:12 |
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| yoctozepto | grenade-core is not really used anywhere though | 16:13 |
| yoctozepto | we only ever use the -drivers | 16:13 |
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| fungi | sure, i just figured if he's in there fixing -drivers anyway, might as well | 16:15 |
| fungi | that would make it consistent with devstack-core too | 16:15 |
| fungi | in case you wanted to use it at some point | 16:15 |
| yoctozepto | all right | 16:15 |
| yoctozepto | I like order too | 16:15 |
| fungi | an alternative, if dtroyer is unresponsive, would be to make a new group since we now have the ability to change the maintainer/driver for grenade to whatever we want | 16:16 |
| yoctozepto | true that | 16:16 |
| yoctozepto | grenade-lords | 16:16 |
| fungi | naming would be inconsistent, a having the old groups around but not usable could maybe cause some confusion, so should probably be a fallback solution | 16:16 |
| yoctozepto | grenade-throwers | 16:17 |
| yoctozepto | grenade-wielders | 16:17 |
| fungi | grenadiers | 16:17 |
| yoctozepto | yeah, it's also available still | 16:17 |
| fungi | (also an actual term) | 16:18 |
| yoctozepto | it is | 16:18 |
| fungi | anyway, here's hoping we won't need to | 16:18 |
| yoctozepto | indede | 16:18 |
| yoctozepto | indeed* | 16:18 |
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| gmann | fungi: yoctozepto : ownership of grenade-drivers also modified now. dtroyer changed it to 'OpenStack Administrators' | 16:35 |
| yoctozepto | \o/ | 16:35 |
| yoctozepto | ~o~ | 16:35 |
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| yoctozepto | fungi may want to drop that membership now | 16:36 |
| fungi | thanks yoctozepto! | 16:37 |
| yoctozepto | yw | 16:37 |
| fungi | working on it | 16:37 |
| fungi | okay, cleaned up | 16:39 |
| fungi | yoctozepto: looks like things are all set. now if only bnemec has as much luck with the problem projects for oslo | 16:39 |
| yoctozepto | ++ | 16:45 |
| yoctozepto | fingers crossed for bnemec | 16:45 |
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| corvus | fungi: looks like it's all worked out? | 17:04 |
| fungi | corvus: yep, thanks! | 17:04 |
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| yoctozepto | fungi does not want admin in admins? | 17:06 |
| yoctozepto | could use more than one admin in admins ;-) | 17:07 |
| fungi | the group owner can add itself as an admin temporarily when needed | 17:08 |
| fungi | so not having it in the group is not a problem (and keeps the people in openstack-admins from getting e-mail notification about every membership change for every openstack-related group in lp) | 17:08 |
| yoctozepto | fungi: noo, I mean you wanted to be an admin in https://launchpad.net/~openstack-admins/+members#active | 17:10 |
| yoctozepto | as only corvus is the admin of the admins | 17:10 |
| yoctozepto | and owner of it | 17:10 |
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| yoctozepto | mayhaps I misunderstood your need for corvus | 17:11 |
| fungi | yoctozepto: ahh, no, i had invited openstack-admins to the grenade group temporarily in case we were able to not get a response from dtroyer | 17:14 |
| fungi | but an openstack-admins admin needed to accept the invitation | 17:14 |
| yoctozepto | yeas so I guessed you want to shield yourself from similar troubles by having more admins among admins :D | 17:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/devstack-gate master: Move stable branch gate job to stable/wallaby https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/devstack-gate/+/785003 | 23:12 |
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