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| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam proposed openstack/project-config master: Remove placement channel from gerritbot https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-config/+/792305 | 00:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthias Runge proposed openstack/project-config master: Deprecate panko, python-pankoclient and puppet-panko https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-config/+/791905 | 07:37 |
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| sean-k-mooney | semi dumb question but is there a way to bridge/mirror message between irc networks. e.g. if we were to move to OFTC could we forward message form freenode to it for a period of time | 12:27 |
| sean-k-mooney | as an addtional messure beyond setting the topic to say go find us over here ? | 12:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | im not trying to prement the desision on if we should/will move and or when or where just wanted to know if that was a thing in irc | 12:29 |
| sean-k-mooney | between networks | 12:29 |
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| fungi | bridging like that is generally done with an irc bot connected to both channels, reading messages in one and echoing them in the other. it's not great. also someone would need to do work to implement that | 12:37 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya that is what i tought i have seen bots do it for matix ectra | 12:38 |
| sean-k-mooney | i was just wonderign if we might have somethign like that already given we had resrved channels on OFTC before | 12:39 |
| fungi | matrix has more direct integration at the irc network/server level for some networks at least, so it's not a clunky | 12:39 |
| sean-k-mooney | i have tried to use it with i think rocketchat before and they just use a bot too | 12:39 |
| sean-k-mooney | it was nice for like 30 mins then it lagged alot so i just stopped using it | 12:40 |
| fungi | and no, we don't have any sort of conversation bridging going on between freenode and oftc, unless you could me and others hanging out in channels on both and sometimes directing people who end up at the wrong one | 12:40 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya if we do end up moving that proably the simplet thing to do | 12:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | jsut keep both open for a while | 12:41 |
| fungi | i mean, i'm already connected to 5 irc networks from one client process, so it's no problem for me | 12:42 |
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| dyakovlev | Hi everuone! I would like to ask for help with one problem. I made a patch in jjb in gerrit and got a -1 rating from zuul. The logs say that the tox-py37 test did not pass due to the lack of python3.7, although all other tests were successful. I think this happened due to the fact that ubuntu focal was used for which there is no python3.7 release. Maybe someone faced a similar problem? | 13:21 |
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| fungi | dyakovlev: yes, opendev changed its default nodeset from ubuntu-bionic to ubuntu-focal on tuesday: http://lists.opendev.org/pipermail/service-announce/2021-May/000020.html | 13:22 |
| fungi | probably the job needs to specify or inherit from one which specifies an ubuntu-bionic nodeset explicitly | 13:22 |
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| fungi | i'll take a look at the job inheritance, but it would help if you could link to the failing change in gerrit or to the build result page in zuul | 13:23 |
| dyakovlev | Here is the link to the patch, in the comment there is a link to the jobs. https://review.opendev.org/c/jjb/jenkins-job-builder/+/792130 | 13:24 |
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| fungi | thanks, checking on it now | 13:29 |
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| dyakovlev | Thanks a lot, my problem was solved) | 13:40 |
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| fungi | mm, i don't know how it was solved, but i'll take it | 13:44 |
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| zxiiro | Any other projects experiencing issues with Python 3.7? this started failing for us recently https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/build/5d859e7ab7b545f0871d29c12e940218 | 14:16 |
| zxiiro | `No package matching 'python3.7-dev' is available` | 14:17 |
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| tosky | zxiiro: python 3.7 is not one of the tested runtime, and I guess the reason may be related to the move of the default image from bionic to focal | 14:21 |
| tosky | zxiiro: please make sure you use a tested runtime | 14:21 |
| zxiiro | ok i might just remove it altogether in that case. i'm not particularly invested in that version. | 14:23 |
| tosky | or explicitly use the bionic image | 14:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/openstack-zuul-jobs master: ubuntu-bionic for openstack-python37-jobs-no-constraints https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-zuul-jobs/+/792390 | 14:25 |
| fungi | zxiiro: tosky: ^ | 14:26 |
| fungi | if you depends-on that change it should pass | 14:26 |
| zxiiro | fungi: thanks! | 14:26 |
| fungi | and no i'm not that quick, i was already working on it after dyakovlev reported it in here earlier | 14:27 |
| fungi | the announcement about the default nodeset change: http://lists.opendev.org/pipermail/service-announce/2021-May/000020.html | 14:28 |
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| zbr | i think i found how to make pbr/pip get stuck forever. Just do `mkdir .cache && ln -s ../.. .cache/foo` on any pbr repo. | 15:34 |
| zbr | any recursive symlink will break it, and it does not happen with non pbr packaging. | 15:34 |
| zbr | i tried excluding .cache folder via MANIFEST.in but it has no effect. | 15:36 |
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| fungi | i told my doctor "it hurts when i do this" and he said "stop doing that!" | 15:51 |
| fungi | are recursive symlinks something worth supporting? | 15:51 |
| zbr | yes and i can explain why | 15:57 |
| zbr | when testing ansible roles/collections you need to install them in an isolated ansible environment, as you do not want to clutter ~/.ansible | 15:58 |
| zbr | and you want to symlink them to point to the source code, so in case a failure happens the user can just edit the code | 15:58 |
| fungi | got it. probably worth fixing in pbr in that case | 15:59 |
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| zbr | (not to mention avoiding wasting disk space) | 15:59 |
| zbr | in fact even installing packages using -e does something very similar. | 15:59 |
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| zbr | the tricky bit is that I was not able to find where the loop happens | 15:59 |
| fungi | you might be able to strace it? | 16:00 |
| fungi | or check lsof | 16:00 |
| zbr | is seen os.walk in pbr few times but never with followlinks | 16:00 |
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| fungi | it's possible the hangup is in setuptools but gets exposed by the way pbr engages it or something | 16:01 |
| zbr | i did a spindump on it but is not of much use https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ssbarnea/33df3ef1f32c9ce7176350f883053aee/raw/eb6a74e6ebae12288fa2911532dd6f7947c72b2e/gistfile1.txt | 16:01 |
| zbr | yeah, i suppose the code may be outside pbr but we still need to find it | 16:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-zuul-jobs master: ubuntu-bionic for openstack-python37-jobs-no-constraints https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-zuul-jobs/+/792390 | 16:06 |
| zbr | fungi: apparently the loop is created by _copy_source_tree from pip https://github.com/pypa/pip/blob/7ec0fa5142466f8402bb866a1dcfb8ca6ffdc66b/src/pip/_internal/operations/prepare.py#L130 | 16:12 |
| zbr | the .tox .nox special handling made me laugh :D | 16:13 |
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| fungi | zbr: good find! i think there may also be an option to tell pip to do in-place instead of copying | 16:18 |
| fungi | worth experimenting with anyway | 16:18 |
| zbr | i am not writing but pip bug report, i think we should not have do no anything | 16:19 |
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| zbr | files as https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/10005 | 16:24 |
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| ihrachys | with freenode debacle, some friendly projects are considering moving to other networks like libera.chat. for one, #openvswitch channel probably moves there. but the project relies on openstack meetbot. we would like to continue using the bot on the new place. is it possible / feasible? if not on libera, would anything change if that would be oftc? or do we have to run our own meetbot instance | 19:49 |
| ihrachys | once we move? | 19:49 |
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| fungi | ihrachys: it's still being debated, we've already got most of the channels registered on oftc because we keep that as a fallback in case something ever happens to freenode, though we have not registered #openvswitch there because we don't actually have access to it on freenode either and should never have approved the change to add the meetbot to it https://review.opendev.org/714174 | 19:54 |
| fungi | though you could probably quite easily run your own meetbot process anywhere you have a webserver to publish the logs with | 19:54 |
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| ihrachys | fungi: if it's only about formal ownership I don't think that would be a problem to pass it over. but what I hear is that you MAY move to oftc and then support the bot there but definitely not libera? | 19:55 |
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| fungi | ihrachys: that's not decided yet. we could also move to liberia if that's what most users prefer, but we haven't traditionally maintained channel registrations there since it only existed as of a few days ago, and i've heard things are crazytown there at the moment anyway so we'd probably have to get staff involved to register at least some significant subset of our 150+ active channels and i'm | 20:03 |
| fungi | betting they're already quite busy at the moment | 20:03 |
| ihrachys | thanks for clarifications, I will pass it over to folks | 20:04 |
| fungi | the bulk of the channels we're supporting are for openstack, and the openstack tc hasn't yet reached a consensus on what they'd prefer | 20:05 |
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| dasm | fungi: liberia is pretty unstable atm. i wouldn't bet on moving there right now. | 20:25 |
| dasm | btw. what is "oftc"? | 20:25 |
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| fungi | dasm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_and_Free_Technology_Community | 20:27 |
| dasm | ack, ta | 20:28 |
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| sean-k-mooney | fungi: so i was going to wave form matirx via the app.element.io web interface | 20:35 |
| sean-k-mooney | fungi: but i need a registered nic to talk here | 20:35 |
| sean-k-mooney | im sure there is a way to do that but i just wanted to see if that was a prticl way for normal no tech users to interact with irc | 20:36 |
| sean-k-mooney | oh already had an old account | 20:40 |
| sean-k-mooney | but same issue | 20:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | ok but looks like you can set up the NickServ stuff too https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/wiki/Guide:-How-to-use-Matrix-to-participate-in-IRC-rooms | 20:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | fungi: so in principal you could just use matrix todya. i tried it in the past before we added the registerd nic requirement | 20:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | and it kind of worked ok but there was sometiem some lag | 20:43 |
| fungi | sean-k-mooney: depending on what network we wind up in, we may not need to enforce registration to join channels if the spam problems there are lighter | 20:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | that would help the dirive by or new user expericne a bit | 20:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | ill admit i dont really rembeebr how i set all that up | 20:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | i have just copied my config any time i got a new laptop or reisntalled | 20:44 |
| fungi | roughly a week ago we were preparing to try turning it back off here on freenode, there's a wip change to do that, but with more recent events we decided that would probably just add to the chaos | 20:45 |
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| fungi | it was one thing when there were attentive staff watching for spammers and blocking their access at the network level fairly quickly, but now the skeleton/nonexistent staff situation seems to mean that the spammers are even hanging around long enough to register nicks and harass channel participants until they get blocked channel at a time | 20:50 |
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| sean-k-mooney[m] | o/ | 20:51 |
| fungi | m is for matrix! | 20:51 |
| sean-k-mooney[m] | i just identifed with nickserv | 20:51 |
| sean-k-mooney[m] | yes | 20:51 |
| sean-k-mooney | the latency is not bad either | 20:51 |
| sean-k-mooney | its pretty instant actully | 20:52 |
| fungi | if we were able to drop the nick registration requirement without being overrun by spammers, the new user experience might be even simpler for matrix too, sounds like | 20:52 |
| sean-k-mooney | yep since you can crete an account with goole github and about 5 or 6 other ways | 20:52 |
| sean-k-mooney | our just email and pasword | 20:52 |
| sean-k-mooney | but if you dont want to give them that info you can use yoru exisitng accounts | 20:53 |
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| JayF | So with the matrix relay, it maintains a presence and backlog for you, similar to IRC with a bouncer? | 20:53 |
| sean-k-mooney[m] | am yes i think it can | 20:53 |
| JayF | Does this mean (I'm not saying I care, just trying to understand) that some third-party server now /also/ has a copy of OpenStack logs, or (for instance) any DMs that you may make? | 20:53 |
| sean-k-mooney[m] | well it depends | 20:54 |
| sean-k-mooney[m] | for public channesl that you joined with it i guess so | 20:55 |
| sean-k-mooney[m] | but you can use your own matic server if you want too | 20:55 |
| fungi | i'm pretty sure that for matrix users or people they're talking to, the answer is "yes" but ultimately that's what people are asking for: a third party keeping their chat history so that they don't have to | 20:55 |
| sean-k-mooney[m] | i have not looked into all the detail of how it works | 20:55 |
| fungi | and yes, since you can create your own matrix homeserver or whatever it's called, that third party could just be you with another hat on | 20:56 |
| JayF | okay, that sounds neat | 20:56 |
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| sean-k-mooney[m] | yep that is my undestandin if you use your own homesever for your matrix account | 20:56 |
| sean-k-mooney[m] | but honeslty i dont fully know how this works | 20:57 |
| fungi | distributed something federated something something | 20:57 |
| sean-k-mooney | ill proably just go back to irc for now but i roginally used this for irc on my phone | 20:57 |
| fungi | i think mordred said he was using it for that same purpose | 20:58 |
| fungi | and he tested it out on one of our fallback channels on oftc.net as well | 20:58 |
| sean-k-mooney | i think in terms of backscrol the way it works if if any matix user join an irc channel the bot stays there | 20:59 |
| sean-k-mooney | proably it stop after x amount of time | 20:59 |
| sean-k-mooney | but that is what provdie the back history when your away | 20:59 |
| sean-k-mooney | kind of like a bouncer would | 21:00 |
| sean-k-mooney | ill test that quickly | 21:00 |
| sean-k-mooney | ok time to talk to me sean-k-mooney[m] | 21:00 |
| sean-k-mooney | and reopen the tab | 21:00 |
| sean-k-mooney | yep it seamed to work | 21:01 |
| sean-k-mooney | the voice call video call and other matix fucntion proably dont work here but i can blame it for that | 21:02 |
| sean-k-mooney | JayF: anyway this may or may not solve your curent concerns but its atleast possibel today with failly little effort | 21:04 |
| JayF | I am a lover of IRC :) I just find it cool that you all have the matrix stuff working. | 21:04 |
| JayF | I might poke at it on my own time, IDK. I do like my weechat setup though... | 21:04 |
| sean-k-mooney | hehe that is what i use too | 21:05 |
| sean-k-mooney | i like weechat alot it has a matix plugin too | 21:05 |
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