| clarkb | I guess this ROI could be seen as sufficient for investing in them though and maybe we can turn that around | 00:00 |
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| fungi | yes, i've argued in the past that what openstack is testing isn't "python version x" but rather "the python provided by distro version x" and there's a distinct difference in those approaches | 00:44 |
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| clarkb | fungi: are you planning on attending the TC meeting tomorrow? I think you generally don't attend the video meetings. I'll be doing gerrit user summit | 22:28 |
| clarkb | asking beacuse the python discussion is on the agenda | 22:28 |
| fungi | good point, i should probably make an exception and join that instead of the cdf interop video call | 22:29 |
| fungi | the reason i've been skipping is multiple conflicting video calls, since i can't really do more than one of those at a time | 22:29 |
| clarkb | right, thats my problem with gerrit user summit | 22:29 |
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| fungi | though also worth noting, the tc shouldn't be making decisions about python support during their meeting, decisions still need to be debated and communicated through the ml. but i can certainly try to help interpret the discussion thus far for people on the call | 22:34 |
| clarkb | good point. | 22:34 |
| fungi | the most pressing point is that people are apparently going to want to be able to install the yoga release on rhel 8 since rhel 9 probably won't exist yet, and some will also want to be able to install yoga on centos stream 8 before replacing stream 8 with yoga running on stream 9 (i hesitate to say "upgrade" as centos/rhel don't advocate in-place upgrades of the operating system) | 22:37 |
| fungi | so retaining some python 3.6 testing is probably warranted, and certainly adding requires_python>=3.8 would be disruptive for anyone trying to pip install yoga on a 3.6 based platform | 22:38 |
| fungi | the real question is how to update the pti to reflect that need | 22:38 |
| clarkb | and the rules around updating supported platforms | 22:40 |
| fungi | right | 22:40 |
| clarkb | I think it would be worthwhile to explicitly call out what to do when a distro update bumps the lowest currently supported version of python | 22:41 |
| fungi | it's happened inherently for ubuntu because of how we run grenade | 22:41 |
| clarkb | fungi: I think the other reason that ubuntu hasn't had many issues is that it has been ahead of the python versions | 22:41 |
| clarkb | yes we explicitly test it, but because centos 8 is python3.6 and ubuntu is 3.8 anyone on bionic to focal already had that transition path | 22:42 |
| fungi | but also because centos has lagged behind ubuntu in python versions, it's not become a problem for ubuntu in practice as the current centos version usually has python at least as old as the former ubuntu version | 22:42 |
| clarkb | But this is coincidental and we should make sure to call out an explicit process to making this work for all the things | 22:42 |
| clarkb | yup exactly | 22:42 |
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