Friday, 2016-09-09

hogepodgeTheJulia: devananda: thanks for your help and patience, it booted the ironic images, now on to deploying.  :-D00:01
TheJulia\o/00:02
TheJuliaExcellent, stepping away for a little bit00:02
mgagneso I tried to reproduce my power sync issue where response from Ironic API is empty. With 1000 greenpool workers and 1000 requests, I'm getting zero issue in an artificial load test I made. both in dev and prod (which has the issue from same source to same destination) :-/00:03
devanandahogepodge: woot! yvw :)00:04
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mgagnedevananda|dinner: I think we didn't have the opportunity to sync up after ops meetup. I'm the guy that reported some performance issue with Nova scheduler + Ironic. We finally found the issue and the fix can be found here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/363944/ And more details were posted on the ops mailinglist: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-August/011429.html00:08
patchbotpatch 363944 - nova - Make scheduler less greedy when loading instances ...00:08
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devananda|dinnermgagne: ah! I wish everyone had their IRC nic on. it was great to meet you in person00:17
devananda|dinnerI've marked that to take a look at it later00:18
mgagnedevananda|dinner: true about irc nick =)00:18
mgagnethanks!00:18
devananda|dinnerthanks for all your feedback & patches like that00:18
mgagne=) trying hard to upgrade to latest we can talk about "real" issues00:18
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ironic-python-agent: [Mitaka only] Fix incomplete root device hints validation  https://review.openstack.org/36605000:24
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openstackgerritRuby Loo proposed openstack/python-ironicclient: osc node power on & off commands  https://review.openstack.org/36444001:11
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openstackgerritRuby Loo proposed openstack/python-ironicclient: 'ironic create' handles file args  https://review.openstack.org/36771502:12
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openstackgerritJohn L. Villalovos proposed openstack/ironic: __ne__() unit tests & have special methods use (self, other)  https://review.openstack.org/36764302:53
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openstackgerritJohn L. Villalovos proposed openstack/ironic: __ne__() unit tests & have special methods use (self, other)  https://review.openstack.org/36764302:59
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openstackgerritZhenguo Niu proposed openstack/ironic: Clean nodes stuck in CLEANING state when ir-cond restarts  https://review.openstack.org/34997106:37
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patchbotError: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.06:49
UkeshI am having one query. in openstackclient, I couldn't find the code related to baremetal option06:50
Ukeshcan anyone help on this ?06:51
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Ukeshhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/python-ironicclient/+bug/161909106:59
openstackLaunchpad bug 1619091 in python-ironicclient "[RFE] Extend OSC "node list" command to fetch nodes without instance UUID" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ukesh (ukeshkumar)06:59
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openstackgerritCao Xuan Hoang proposed openstack/python-ironic-inspector-client: TrivialFix: Remove logging import unused  https://review.openstack.org/36778807:34
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openstackgerritVasyl Saienko proposed openstack/ironic: DO NOT REVIEW  https://review.openstack.org/29643208:09
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pas-hamorning Ironicers :)08:18
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lucasagomesmorning all08:24
openstackgerritAnkit Kumar proposed openstack/proliantutils: Fix Inspection failure in Gen7  https://review.openstack.org/35713408:25
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dtantsurMorning Ironic08:40
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dtantsuraarefiev, morning. so, we have a patch, but it needs more work. that's already good. I think for now I'll try to disable the failing test in our gate, so that we don't block the release. then we can continue testing a revert. wdyt?08:46
dtantsuralso morning pas-ha, lucasagomes08:46
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pas-hamorning dtantsur lucasagomes08:47
aarefievdtantsur: morning, +1 for skip test,  looks like there are a lot of work here, a lot of workarounds for paramiko08:51
aarefievbtw I've catched deadlock in paramiko  last night08:51
aarefievI'm wondering why only inspector grenade  fails so often08:53
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aarefievAlso Matthew don't want to revert fix with receive_status and proposed fix also has problems (08:56
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openstackgerritDmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/ironic-inspector: Disable neutron tests in our grenade  https://review.openstack.org/36784109:06
dtantsuraarefiev, let's see if this works ^^^09:06
openstackgerritzhang.xiuhua proposed openstack/ironic: Change note format in installation Guide  https://review.openstack.org/36784309:08
aarefievdtantsur: +1, not big deal if don't test neutron api :)09:11
dtantsuryeah, we can live with it for a while09:11
openstackgerritVasyl Saienko proposed openstack/ironic: DO NOT REVIEW  https://review.openstack.org/29643209:12
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openstackgerritVasyl Saienko proposed openstack/ironic: Update configure_tenant_networks  https://review.openstack.org/35646009:15
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sborkowsmorning all10:14
dtantsurmorning sborkows10:16
sborkowsdtantsur, aarefiev: Is there still a problem with grenade?10:16
dtantsursborkows, yes; we're working on disabling the failed test, as we're still unable to track the problem :( we'll recheck your patch as soon as we're ready, no worries.10:16
sborkowsok thanks for effort10:16
dtantsurthanks for your patience10:17
openstackgerritVasyl Saienko proposed openstack/ironic: DO NOT REVIEW  https://review.openstack.org/29643210:18
sborkows:)10:18
aarefievmorning sborkows, we'll unblock gates asap, don't worry10:18
mgouldmorning dtantsur aarefiev pas-ha lucasagomes sborkows and everyone else!10:19
aarefievmorning mgould10:19
lucasagomeshi there10:20
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dtantsuraarefiev, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367841/ passes, let's give it a try?10:33
patchbotpatch 367841 - ironic-inspector - Disable neutron tests in our grenade10:33
dtantsurwait, wut?10:35
dtantsurI did run test_network_basic_ops though........10:35
aarefievdtantsur: hmm second tempest run contains test_network_basic10:35
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dtantsuraarefiev, hmm, it was a noop10:36
aarefievI don't see test on first run10:36
aarefievtests10:36
aarefievahh missed I see10:37
dtantsuraarefiev, it hasn't set TEMPEST_CONFIG10:38
dtantsurhere where it gets reset, I guess: http://logs.openstack.org/41/367841/1/check/gate-grenade-dsvm-ironic-inspector/738244b/logs/grenade.sh.txt.gz#_2016-09-09_09_28_15_08610:38
aarefievahh10:40
dtantsurhmm, I guess we should use disable_service and kill neutron completely... but that will kill ironic essentially too10:41
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dtantsuraarefiev, or we need to monkey-patch python source, which seems more and more reasonable to me...10:42
aarefievcould disable neutron on late stage somehow10:42
aarefievin grenade plugin10:42
dtantsuraarefiev, or we can disable any of these: https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/scenario/test_network_basic_ops.py#L85-L9310:45
dtantsurbut again, it will probably get overriden by devstack... damn10:46
aarefievyeah (10:47
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sturivnyi_Hi All. I have bunch of patches for review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-ironicclient+branch:master+topic:%22functional+CLI+tests%22. Would be grateful if you could review them. Thanks.11:07
Romanenko_KFrom those patches there is at least one patch already imho OK to merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293634/11:09
patchbotpatch 293634 - python-ironicclient - Tests for testing chassis-create command11:09
openstackgerritPavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed openstack/ironic: Deny some driver_info updates when console is on  https://review.openstack.org/33000311:12
openstackgerritSam Betts proposed openstack/ironic: Add Network Interface Attach and Detach APIs  https://review.openstack.org/32704611:14
openstackgerritSam Betts proposed openstack/ironic: DO NOT MERGE Testing Attach/Detach changes  https://review.openstack.org/36794811:14
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dtantsuraarefiev, I don't understand anything.. sometimes it just passes..11:23
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jrollUkesh: the code for the openstackclient baremetal commands is in python-ironicclient/ironicclient/osc/11:24
jrollmorning everyone11:24
jrollhappy friday \o/11:24
dtantsurmorning jroll.. I've seen Fridays happier, to be honest.11:25
jroll:(11:26
jrollwhat's up, still same grenade issue?11:26
dtantsurjroll, yes... nobody has a tiniest clue what causes it11:26
dtantsurjroll, I would just disabled the damned neutron test, if grenade/tempest allowed that11:26
jrollhrm, don't they?11:26
dtantsurif you know how...11:27
sambettsregex?11:27
jrollyes, regex would work11:27
dtantsursambetts, grenade does not pass any regexs to tempest11:27
dtantsurit just runs 'tempest run --smoke' or something11:27
jrollah, right11:27
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sambettsdtantsur: whats the conflict with Neutron?11:27
lucasagomesjroll, morning11:28
dtantsursambetts, no clue. at all. nobody knows. it just does not work 90% of time in gate.11:28
jrollit's the paramiko thing, right?11:28
dtantsurjroll, presumably. unless it just hides something deeper11:28
jrolldtantsur: I'd maybe bump the qa thread on it and say "we need a way to skip this test for now, if we can't fix it, pls halp"11:29
jrollmorning lucasagomes11:29
dtantsurjroll, qa folks were not so far able to come up with any SSH implementation that works for everyone11:29
dtantsuryeah, will bump probably11:29
jrollright11:29
* jroll can't imagine what's special about ironic :(11:29
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jroller, about inspector11:31
dtantsurI can only think about the way we configure networking11:32
dtantsurit's the only difference between ironic devstack plugin and inspector devstack plugin...11:32
dtantsurI also have no clue why it worked until roughly a week ago11:32
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jrollwell, that would make sense with ssh hanging11:33
jrollwhat's different about it?11:33
dtantsurbut in 10% of cases is passes :)11:33
dtantsurlemme find a link11:33
jrollyeah, that's the weird part11:33
dtantsurjroll, essentially this bit https://github.com/openstack/ironic-inspector/blob/master/devstack/plugin.sh#L254-L258 and the fact that we have our own DHCP11:34
jrolldtantsur: so this one broke ironic... https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/commit/434035e2846dc8ebcdadf7349897f8b0b29c3b7411:34
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jrollso you do additional things on top of what ironic does, yes?11:34
dtantsuryep11:35
jrollhm11:35
jrolldtantsur: this was our fix for ironic breakage https://github.com/openstack/ironic/commit/a53dae62afbeaf06e3b5bbbed133d9ad2aebcd7611:36
jrolldoesn't seem related, but could be? seems like you'd pull that in anyway11:37
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jrollthis doesn't make sense at all :(11:38
jrolldtantsur: is there a unique log I can look for to tell this happens?11:39
jrollor rather, has anyone filed an e-r check11:40
jrolland if not, what can I use to do so11:40
jroll(bug # might be helpful too :)11:40
dtantsurjroll, bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic-inspector/+bug/162179111:42
openstackLaunchpad bug 1621791 in Ironic Inspector "Inspector grenade fails in test_network_basic_ops" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Dmitry Tantsur (divius)11:42
dtantsurwe more or less figured out that it only affects inspector11:43
openstackgerritGalyna Zholtkevych proposed openstack/python-ironicclient: Update openstack baremetal driver commands  https://review.openstack.org/36204711:43
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jrollright, I want to search it in e-r11:44
jrollthat's good enough, thanks11:44
jrolls/e-r/logstash11:44
openstackgerritGalyna Zholtkevych proposed openstack/python-ironicclient: Add command RAID logical disk properties  https://review.openstack.org/36204711:44
TheJuliaGood morning folks11:45
sambettsMorning TheJulia11:45
TheJuliaFYI I'm basically out for the next week and a few days. If you need me though, just ping me. :)11:46
sambettsdtantsur: Seems weird that it only affects inspector, are we doing something that no one else is doing/11:46
sambetts?11:46
dtantsursambetts, networking configuration maybe, see above11:46
dtantsurmorning TheJulia11:47
openstackgerritDmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/ironic-inspector: Disable neutron tests in our grenade  https://review.openstack.org/36784111:49
dtantsurthis is crazy of course ^^^11:49
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mat128morning ironicers11:50
dtantsurmorning mat12811:51
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jrolldtantsur: so you're right in that bug, the first hit was 2016-09-02T06:10:56.802-04:0011:51
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jrollhere's the e-r https://review.openstack.org/36796911:54
patchbotpatch 367969 - openstack-infra/elastic-recheck - Add bug #162179111:54
openstackbug 1621791 in Ironic Inspector "Inspector grenade fails in test_network_basic_ops" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1621791 - Assigned to Dmitry Tantsur (divius)11:54
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jrolldtantsur: well, this merged just before it started happening: https://github.com/openstack/tempest/commit/bce51c53a0ab5c95d863955067e44bb309f5d1a111:57
jrolllovely11:57
dtantsurjroll, that's what aarefiev suspects. reverting it seems to help, but breaks other people...11:58
jrollwho does it break?11:58
dtantsurjroll, not sure, see the bug linked to that patch11:58
jrollyeah looking11:58
mgouldmorning TheJulia sambetts jroll mat128 Romanenko_K11:59
jrollso it breaks something out of tree, out of openstack-ci, it seems11:59
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jrollheya mgould11:59
jrolldtantsur: see also https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/157763212:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1577632 in tempest "SSH Client hangs on execute command" [Undecided,Fix committed] - Assigned to Franklin Naval (franknaval)12:00
jrolllots of "does this happen in CI?"12:00
jrollwish we'd just throw out tempest's ssh client12:00
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jrolldtantsur: feels like we should revert that :/12:02
jrolland find a different fix12:02
jrollmaybe with http://docs.paramiko.org/en/2.0/api/channel.html#paramiko.channel.Channel.exit_status_ready12:02
sambetts++ sounds like a better plan12:03
dtantsurjroll, +1, and we are having some interesting discussion on #openstack-neutron as well12:03
jrolloh, neat12:03
* jroll looks12:03
mat128o/ mgould12:04
aarefievjroll, dtantsur: reverting that fix will break folks,  it's known bug http://docs.paramiko.org/en/2.0/api/channel.html#paramiko.channel.Channel.recv_exit_status12:13
jrollaarefiev: yes, it will break out-of-tree code in downstream CIs, I tend to think we should unblock inspector and those folks should find a different fix12:14
aarefievhere another fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367478/212:15
patchbotpatch 367478 - tempest - WIP: Refactor ssh exec command12:15
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jrollaarefiev: that doesn't seem like it works very well :P12:16
dtantsurlol12:16
jrollcode looks okay though, so maybe just a trivial bug in there12:17
aarefievbut it looks like doesn't cause deadlocks12:17
* jroll imagines all the mocking involved in fixing those unit tests and cries12:17
jrollagree12:17
mat128"will cause recv_exit_status to hang indefinitely if it is called prior to a sufficiently large read"12:17
mat128just issue a big read() before12:17
jrollinteresting http://logs.openstack.org/78/367478/2/check/gate-grenade-dsvm-multinode/98861dd/console.html#_2016-09-08_17_10_12_43477712:18
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sambettsjroll: rsync command? or am I missing something?12:19
jrollsambetts: all the junk +++++ stuff in the response12:19
jrollit is rsync though12:19
jrolloh never mind, this has nothing to do with the change12:19
jrollignore me :)12:19
sambettsah right :-P hehe, must be something to do with how rsync views the file system12:20
* dtantsur is sad and tired12:20
* jroll too12:20
* dtantsur will get some food and will be a bit less sad and a bit more tired12:20
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mgouldthere's a tired party? awesome12:21
mgouldthis is the kind of party where you all sit in the kitchen with a gin and tonic and have a natter, right?12:22
mgould^^^ best kind of party12:22
* jroll googles natter12:22
mat128lol12:22
jrollah yes12:22
mgouldheh, TIL that's a Briticism12:22
jrollI was thinking s/kitchen/couch/ and s/gin and tonic/bourbon/12:22
jrollbut yes +212:22
mgouldthe effect is much the same :-)12:22
mgoulddtantsur, jroll, sambetts feel better soon!12:23
mgouldapply bourbon and/or gin as appropriate12:23
jrollmgould: just a rough week, no worries :)12:23
jrollbourbon was applied last night12:23
jrollhence the tired :D12:23
mgouldaaaah :-)12:23
mgouldTGIF12:24
jroll++12:24
mat128oh yes12:24
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openstackgerritSam Betts proposed openstack/ironic: DO NOT MERGE Testing Attach/Detach changes  https://review.openstack.org/36794812:41
openstackgerritSam Betts proposed openstack/ironic: Add Network Interface Attach and Detach APIs  https://review.openstack.org/32704612:41
openstackgerritMathieu Mitchell proposed openstack/ironic: Import install and configure into new install guide  https://review.openstack.org/36798812:43
mat128one more core and we get to publish a (very basic) install guide! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/363294/12:44
patchbotpatch 363294 - ironic - Add a basic install guide12:44
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openstackgerritVasyl Saienko proposed openstack/ironic: DO NOT REVIEW  https://review.openstack.org/29643212:50
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dtantsuraarefiev, sambetts, ok, this is super ugly https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367841/ but it does disable neutron tests for us!12:59
patchbotpatch 367841 - ironic-inspector - Disable neutron tests in our grenade12:59
dtantsurwe can use it to unbreak the gate for now, and then figure out whatever we can do to fix it13:00
dtantsurjroll, ^^13:00
aarefievlooking13:00
dtantsurit also make our tests 30 minutes shorter! I like, dunno if we're going to really revert it :D13:01
aarefiev:)13:02
aarefievthere are lot of api tests13:02
aarefievneutron I mean13:02
aarefievwhy do we need them?13:02
dtantsurwell, they're tagged "smoke" and probably don't state neutron requirement properly...13:03
dtantsuranyway, they don't break us13:03
aarefievlgtm13:03
dtantsuranyone wants to review it before I go ahead and approve?13:04
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* mgould takes a quick look13:05
mgoulddtantsur: lgtm13:06
mgouldis there any way we could break neutron? Alternatively, are the interactions tested elsewhere in our grenade job?13:07
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dtantsurmgould, in theory we can break anything, but it's highly improbable. even with this test disabled, we still test nova's ability to launch instances, so I think we're all covered.13:09
mgouldif the answers are "no, *" or "yes, yes" then we can drop those tests permanently speed up our gate and reduce our flakiness surface13:09
openstackgerritKyrylo Romanenko proposed openstack/python-ironicclient: Add negative tests for baremetal node commands  https://review.openstack.org/33771913:09
mgouldsweet, burn it with fire13:09
dtantsuralso, the way we setup network in devstack is pretty different from how real baremetal network works13:09
mgouldawesome13:09
mgoulddeath to pointless tests!13:09
aarefiev+113:09
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sborkowsaarefiev dtantsur: I have got a message that in paramiko they have similar problem with grenade13:17
sborkowsThe same test is failing13:17
sborkowsThey suggest that this fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358610/ is causing this problem13:18
patchbotpatch 358610 - tempest - Fix exec_command to hang indefinitely (MERGED)13:18
dtantsurthis is the suspect, but qa folks don't want to revert it, so we ended up disabling the test13:20
dtantsursborkows, the gate should be back to norm after https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367841/ merges13:21
patchbotpatch 367841 - ironic-inspector - Disable neutron tests in our grenade13:21
sborkowsoops I just noticed, that aarefiev wrote that email :O13:21
aarefievit was me :)13:23
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jrolldtantsur: yay for working gate13:26
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aarefievmtreinish: we are skipping neutron tests for unblock gates https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367841/213:28
patchbotpatch 367841 - ironic-inspector - Disable neutron tests in our grenade13:28
dtantsurwhich does not cancel fixing tempest ssh code of course :)13:29
aarefievfor sure, just for notice :)13:29
mtreinishdtantsur, aarefiev: you should set that via your devstack/grenade plugin instead of in code13:30
mtreinishbut that's fine13:30
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dtantsurmtreinish, that does not quite work, these setting get overriden by lib/tempest which runs after settings13:30
dtantsurunless I misunderstood anything13:30
dtantsuranyway, this a quick hack13:30
mtreinishdtantsur: there is a devstack plugin phase for test setup which runs after the tempest config you could use13:31
mtreinishbut if you found something that works that's fine, it just seems like that would be potentially fragile13:31
dtantsurmtreinish, if we end up leaving this long-term, I'll refactor it to something nicer, thanks for the hints!13:31
aarefievI hope it would be not long-term13:32
mtreinishI don't think it'll take me much longer to sort out: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367478/13:32
patchbotpatch 367478 - tempest - Refactor ssh exec command13:32
dtantsurwe'll see :) thanks for working on it, anyway13:33
openstackgerritPavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed openstack/ironic: Deny some driver_info updates when console is on  https://review.openstack.org/33000313:33
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openstackgerritVasyl Saienko proposed openstack/ironic-inspector: Add translation marker to help of config opts  https://review.openstack.org/36588814:06
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openstackgerritGalyna Zholtkevych proposed openstack/ironic: IPMI command should depend on console type  https://review.openstack.org/36364714:20
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ironic: Add a basic install guide  https://review.openstack.org/36329414:27
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mat128^woohoo14:32
mat128Thanks sambetts14:32
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ironic-inspector: Disable neutron tests in our grenade  https://review.openstack.org/36784114:33
dtantsurrecheck all the things ^^^ :)14:36
aarefievmerge party :)14:37
openstackgerritBeth Elwell proposed openstack/ironic-ui: Add functionality for editing an existing node  https://review.openstack.org/34536214:37
openstackgerritBeth Elwell proposed openstack/ironic-ui: Updated to ironic API v1.11 and added manageable state  https://review.openstack.org/36109814:37
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openstackgerritGalyna Zholtkevych proposed openstack/ironic: IPMI command should depend on console type  https://review.openstack.org/36364714:47
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ironic-inspector: Add PCI devices plugin to inspector  https://review.openstack.org/35229515:22
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openstackgerritSam Betts proposed openstack/ironic: DO NOT MERGE Testing Attach/Detach changes  https://review.openstack.org/36794815:39
openstackgerritSam Betts proposed openstack/ironic: Add Network Interface Attach and Detach APIs  https://review.openstack.org/32704615:39
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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: New setuptools release appears to have a circular import which is breaking many jobs - check for ImportError: cannot import name monkey.15:53
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dtantsurwell, our CI has been working for a couple of hours..15:53
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lucasagomes:-/15:55
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lucasagomesdtantsur, sounds like friday :D15:55
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dtantsurthis probably means it's time to enjoy the weekend :)15:56
dtantsurhave a nice weekend, ironicers15:56
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jlvillalvdrok, If it is okay for you to change the presentation date/time can you also reply? Or if not, please reply too :)15:57
lucasagomesdtantsur, enjoy it!15:57
* jlvillal tries to think of some joke about monkeys15:58
jrollsee ya dtantsur :)15:58
dtantsuro/15:58
jrollchaos monkey at work, obviously15:58
jlvillaldtantsur, Good night15:58
jlvillalheh15:58
dtantsuralso, #openstack-infra has a few good jokes about monkeys15:58
dtantsur<zigo> So, to sum-up: the monkey broke setuptools... :P15:59
dtantsurok, ok, leaving for real now :)15:59
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ironic: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/36810416:04
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ironic-inspector: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/36810516:04
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TheJuliabetherly: ppiela: sorry for missing the call today.  I'm trying to take the day off, I see you two had questions, I'll do my best to answer :)16:22
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ppielaTheJulia: no problem. We can talk next week.16:23
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TheJuliappiela: I will join if I have a connection next week :)  I put some comments on the etherpad.  I may/likely be missing discussion context, but hopefully it makes things a little more clear.16:32
TheJulia^^ betherly16:33
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lucasagomesI'm calling it a day as well16:43
lucasagomeshave a great weekend all! Talk to you all on monday16:43
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NobodyCamgood morning ironicers16:45
NobodyCamand TGIF16:45
NobodyCamnight lucas-afk16:46
TheJuliagood morning NobodyCam16:47
NobodyCam:)16:48
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ppielaTheJulia: Thanks for lookign at our questions16:50
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jlvillalHey NobodyCam. I think your Friday nick should be IthinkICam :)16:54
jlvillalOr something like that16:54
NobodyCamlol16:54
* jlvillal has not figured out anything clever with his own nick16:55
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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: setuptools 27.1.2 addresses the circular import16:56
jlvillalWoo hoo!16:56
mat128it's recheck time?16:57
jlvillalrecheck 'em if you got 'em  ?16:57
mat128yeah16:57
NobodyCamjlvillal: I use to use Blart Versenwald16:58
NobodyCamas my friday nick16:58
jlvillalNobodyCam, Well I would have had no idea who you were with that one :)16:58
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mat128jlvillal: that was quick: https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/commit/2a7a7179ca18b1c97e435726e62c3ab0227fb20e16:59
NobodyCamjlvillal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minor_The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy_characters16:59
jlvillalNobodyCam, I don't even know the major characters!16:59
NobodyCamlol +++17:00
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jlvillalmat128, Where is the change?17:00
mat128https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/pull/78117:00
jlvillalmat128, https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/commit/b7b9cb23f217095e79c618c0e3196712d2d9a28517:01
jlvillalI think that one.17:01
mat128ooh yeah17:01
mat128#781 is what broke us, I think17:01
jlvillalmat128, Ah17:02
mat128or what led to that "from . import msvc"17:02
jlvillalmat128, Or maybe the first attempt to fix it17:02
jlvillalmat128, That's a lot of commits in a 3 hour period17:03
mat128:)17:03
mat128oh man17:04
mat128you're right17:04
mat128https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/pulse/daily17:04
jlvillalmat128, I guess I'm thinking for such a critical infrastructure type project. I'm surprised so much churn. But hopefully they add some gating tests to catch that type of issue in the future.17:05
* mat128 glances at the test folder17:05
* mat128 cries :(17:05
mat128https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/tree/master/tests17:05
mat128I guess users are their tests =)17:05
jlvillalYikes!17:05
mat128oh17:06
mat128https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/tree/master/setuptools/tests17:06
mat128more tests there17:06
patchbotError: I haven't seen tests.17:06
jlvillalThere entire unit test suite is a 98 line file17:06
jlvillals/There/Their/17:06
mat128nah there's one under setuptools/ too17:06
jlvillalThat's better17:06
jlvillalI get used to living in this world where unit tests are law (or close to it)17:07
mat128:)17:07
mat128https://8thlight.com/blog/uncle-bob/2012/01/11/Flipping-the-Bit.html17:07
mat128now publishing draft guide: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/29/366329/2/check/gate-ironic-install-guide/24a20bd//install-guide/build/html/17:08
openstackgerritTuan Luong-Anh proposed openstack/ironic: Change $LOGFILE path in configuration devstack  https://review.openstack.org/36651817:08
mat128:D17:08
jlvillalmat128, I think I agree with that article with my quick scan. Unlike the one on boolean values to functions ;)17:08
mat128"What is THE BIT? THE BIT is the boolean variable within your subconscious that represents your belief that unit tests take time. I want you to flip that bit so that your belief changes. I want you to believe that Test Driven Development saves time in every case and every situation without exception amen."17:09
mat128thats the tl;dr17:09
jlvillalmat128, I'm pretty much on board with that17:09
mat128:)17:11
mgouldthat's the right side to err on, definitely17:17
* jlvillal wonders if mgould is replying about TDD17:17
mgouldjlvillal: yep17:17
mgouldwhat was the bools-to-functions article?17:17
jlvillalHey mgould. I hope things are well. I haven't chatted with you much recently.17:17
NobodyCammorning mgould :)17:18
mgouldjlvillal: I just got back from a three-week trip to Kyrgyzstan, that's why :-)17:18
mgouldNobodyCam: morning!17:18
jlvillalmgould, bools as function arguments17:18
mat128mgould: same guy, but this is "flipping the bit"17:18
persiaDepends on the quality/coverage of functional requirement testing.  Units tests & TDD is *way* better than not, but I think maybe not as useful as excutable requirements validation & BDD, assuming one can cause the requirement drivers to participate.17:18
NobodyCam:)17:18
jlvillalmgould, Welcome back!17:18
mgouldjlvillal: thanks!17:18
mgouldhttps://twitter.com/andymilesexped << a few photos here, but we still need to go through most of them17:19
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mgouldpersia: I've yet to really grok BDD17:20
mgouldrequirements capture is a Hard Problem, of course17:20
persiamgould: Yep.  And there are not a lot of good tooling, meaning TDD is the best most of us can do most of the time today.17:20
jlvillalmgould, It was buried in here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-ironic/%23openstack-ironic.2016-09-02.log.html#t2016-09-02T16:07:4817:21
mgouldjlvillal: boolean function arguments are often a pain to understand, but I'm not convinced that duplicating all your functions is the cure :-)17:21
jlvillalmgould, I'm with you on that. I didn't agree with the premise17:21
mat128JayF: Getting there! http://docs-draft.openstack.org/88/367988/1/check/gate-ironic-install-guide/2a4d9d0/install-guide/build/html/install-ubuntu.html17:21
jlvillalmgould, There is the article: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-ironic/%23openstack-ironic.2016-09-02.log.html#t2016-09-02T17:31:5817:22
jlvillalmgould, But I think you already found it17:22
mgouldyep, reading now17:22
* jlvillal wonders if mgould rode a horse while the back of his jacket was on fire17:23
* mgould used to work with a guy who'd add obscurely-named boolean parameters to functions, and then pass them unchanged through six layers of function calls without explanation until they finally got to an if-statement somewhere that changed its behaviour *completely* based on the parameter17:24
mgouldjlvillal: sadly not, but I did climb some mountains :-)17:24
mat128mgould: those always bite you17:24
mat128I bet they also bit the guy who wrote htem17:24
jlvillal:)17:24
mgouldyep17:24
mgouldbut they bit him less than they bit the rest of us, so he still looked productive :-/17:25
mat128haha17:25
mat128he remembered them17:25
openstackgerritTuan Luong-Anh proposed openstack/ironic: Change $LOGFILE path in configuration devstack  https://review.openstack.org/36651817:25
mgouldjlvillal: https://twitter.com/AndyMilesExped/status/77100677384726118817:26
mgouldmat128: yep! Reverse-engineering his code was not fun :-(17:26
jlvillalmgould, Cool!17:26
mat128mgould: click-click-click-click-click-AHHH!17:26
mat128We have an inhouse system for old server delivery that is somewhat like that17:27
mgouldhttps://twitter.com/AndyMilesExped/status/770942239623241728 is a nice shot too17:27
mat128mgould: oh wow ^17:27
mat128Welcome back17:27
mgouldsee also https://twitter.com/AndyMilesExped/status/770942995340390400 :-)17:28
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jlvillalmgould, Is that the Red Beard guy from CoreOS with you?  :)17:28
mgouldmat128: thanks :-)17:28
mgouldjlvillal: not to the best of my knowledge :-)17:28
mgouldthat's my friend Andy, he's a mechanical engineer17:29
jlvillalmgould, http://photos2.meetupstatic.com/photos/member/8/f/1/0/highres_10776624.jpeg17:29
jlvillalI saw him present in Vancouver17:29
mgouldI definitely see the resemblance17:29
* mgould wonders if they've ever been seen in the same room at the same time17:29
jlvillalmgould, So will you take the short hop to Barcelona for the Summit?17:29
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jlvillalActually an almost 3 hour plane ride is longer than I thought to get to Barcelona.17:31
mgouldjlvillal: yes! Got my flights booked and everything17:31
mgouldwill you be there too?17:31
jlvillalmgould, Luckily for me, I will be.17:32
mgouldawesome!17:32
jlvillalGot my AirBnb booked. Those suggested hotels seemed very expensive.17:32
mgouldgreatly looking forward to meeting you (and everyone else!) in person17:32
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mgouldyeah, I'm in an AirBnB too17:32
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jlvillalI vaguely recall prices about 200 euros per night17:32
mgouldsaved a lot of money, and I'm only a few minutes further away from the hotel17:33
mgoulds/hotel/conference center17:33
jlvillalI'm about 18 minutes away using the tram.17:33
jlvillalmgould, I was right. First hotel I checked for just four nights 844 euros. Ouch17:34
mgouldyikes!17:35
mgouldjlvillal: awesome17:36
mgouldI think I'm just about within walking distance - party at mine :-)17:36
jlvillal:)17:37
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mgould"House rules: no parties or events"17:44
mgouldbah17:44
jlvillalmgould, Same at mine.17:45
mgould"this isn't a party, this is merely a gathering of 30 of my close friends!"17:45
mgould"with booze"17:45
mgouldanyway, we shall bring a bottle or two of good Scotch to share with a sub-party number of folks17:47
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mgould<<< not a drunk, honest17:48
mgouldyeah, we're 16 mins walk from the conference centre along Avenue Diagonal17:49
mgouldor Diagon Alley, as I shall henceforth be calling it17:49
jroll+117:50
jrollI'm in one of the conference hotels if we want a less interesting, less rule-breaking place to hang out17:50
jrollor surely there are many places that sell drinks and have chairs17:50
mgouldthis seems like a key bit of conference infrastructure, certainly17:51
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jroll:D17:55
jrolltotally is17:55
jrollhow many times have we said "this discussion requires a bar setting" here? :)17:55
TheJuliauhh.... do we really want to answer that question17:58
TheJulia>.>17:58
mgould:-)17:58
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openstackgerritVasyl Saienko proposed openstack/ironic: Testing multinode job  https://review.openstack.org/36817318:13
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-ironicclient: 'ironic create' handles file args  https://review.openstack.org/36771519:10
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openstackgerritVasyl Saienko proposed openstack/ironic: Testing multinode job  https://review.openstack.org/36817319:36
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mgagnejroll: I see that all comment output are logged in DEBUG: https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/ironic/common/utils.py#L7519:43
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mgagnejroll: for some command, this means a single line and a line return at the end. This means 2 lines in syslog. (therefore multiline logs)19:43
mgagnejroll: would it make sense to trim the line return? Or would it cause confusion when debugging?19:44
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_vsaienkojlvillal: looks like alternative variant to use ip address from provisioning network as tftp and http works https://review.openstack.org/#/c/368173/20:33
patchbotpatch 368173 - ironic - Testing multinode job20:33
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jlvillalAwesome vsaienko! who appears to have messaged and dashed20:33
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