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| rloo | jlvillal: when it rains, it really pours, tis the season :-( Hoping things will be fine tomorrow... | 00:08 |
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| pas-ha | morning ironic :) | 06:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | zenghui.shi proposed openstack/ironic master: Add db migration and model for node bios table https://review.openstack.org/511162 | 07:18 |
| openstackgerrit | zenghui.shi proposed openstack/ironic master: Add db api layer for node bios operations https://review.openstack.org/511402 | 07:18 |
| pas-ha | looks like my old patch that adds bindep.txt solves current packaging issues on tox-based jobs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444201 | 07:19 |
| patchbot | patch 444201 - ironic - Add bindep.txt file | 07:19 |
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| amarao | Can someone help me with neutron-lbaas and octavia? I mean, I do not understand their relationship. Lbaas is a plugin for neutron to provide load balancing. But what is octavia then? And how they are related? neutron-lbaas uses octavia, or octavia replaces lbaas? And why lbaas needs octavia if heavylifting is done by haproxy anyway? Thanks! | 09:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed openstack/ironic master: Add bindep.txt file https://review.openstack.org/444201 | 09:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed openstack/ironic master: [docs] describe vendor passthru in hw types https://review.openstack.org/507019 | 09:06 |
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| vdrok | good morning ironic, pas-ha | 09:22 |
| pas-ha | amarao: wrong channel? :) | 09:23 |
| pas-ha | morning vdrok | 09:23 |
| amarao | oh, sorry. | 09:26 |
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| stendulker | Good morning vdrok, pas-ha, ironic :) | 09:28 |
| vdrok | morning stendulker :) | 09:28 |
| pas-ha | morning stendulker | 09:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vasyl Saienko proposed openstack/ironic-python-agent master: Add bindep.txt file https://review.openstack.org/511447 | 09:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | zenghui.shi proposed openstack/ironic master: Add db api layer for node bios operations https://review.openstack.org/511402 | 10:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vasyl Saienko proposed openstack/ironic master: Add test to check local boot with partitioned image https://review.openstack.org/502886 | 10:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Vasyl Saienko proposed openstack/ironic master: DNR/DNM test partition with localboot https://review.openstack.org/508484 | 10:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Vasyl Saienko proposed openstack/ironic master: DNR/DNM test partition with localboot https://review.openstack.org/508484 | 10:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ironic-ui master: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/510843 | 11:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vasyl Saienko proposed openstack/ironic master: Add uWSGI support https://review.openstack.org/507011 | 12:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Vasyl Saienko proposed openstack/ironic master: [devstack] Switch ironic to uWSGI https://review.openstack.org/507067 | 12:23 |
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| vsaienk0 | folks please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444201/ we can unblock our CI without waiting when upstream repos will be consistent http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123489.html | 12:53 |
| patchbot | patch 444201 - ironic - Add bindep.txt file | 12:53 |
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| TheJulia | Good morning | 13:43 |
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| TheJulia | vsaienk0: fun :( | 13:52 |
| vsaienk0 | morning TheJulia | 13:52 |
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| TheJulia | vsaienk0: wf+1 on that patch. | 13:56 |
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| vdrok | mornign TheJulia ! | 13:58 |
| TheJulia | Good morning vdrok | 13:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julia Kreger proposed openstack/ironic-python-agent master: Fix OSError catch https://review.openstack.org/501386 | 14:33 |
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| snasir | Hi, i wwas using Ironic in the Ocata release, and to boot it via the compute service, i used this command "" nova boot --image $BAREMETAL_USER_IMAGE --flavor $BAREMETAL_FLAVOR --nic net-id=$IRONIC_PROVISIONING_NETWORK_ID $MACHINE_NAME "" | 14:48 |
| snasir | In Pike, is there no need to pass the "--nic net-id " anymore ? | 14:49 |
| pas-ha | snasir: that generally depends on how many networks your tenant has - if there's only one, nova will pick it by default | 14:51 |
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| pas-ha | and with multitenancy support we don't need to share the provision network between all tenants, so every tenant can boot the BM in their own network (if this feature is enabled / configured in ironic and neutron ) | 14:53 |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Job log uploads are failing due to lack of inodes. Jobs also fail due to mismatches in gnutls packages. Workarounds for both in progress with proper fixes to follow. | 14:54 | |
| *** ChanServ changes topic to "Job log uploads are failing due to lack of inodes. Jobs also fail due to mismatches in gnutls packages. Workarounds for both in progress with proper fixes to follow." | 14:54 | |
| snasir | pas-ha: In addition, i read on the site, that we cannot deploy on the provisioning network.. Is that new in Pike ? | 14:54 |
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| pas-ha | it depends on how you setup ironic - without multitenancy support (as in mitaka and before) or with one (newton and newer) | 14:55 |
| pas-ha | w/o it - everything works as before, if your provisoning network is shared between your tenants, they can boot instances in it, and BM instances can only be booted in it | 14:56 |
| pas-ha | and ability to deploy in tenant's network is what multitenancy support in Ironic is about, available since Newton | 14:57 |
| pas-ha | though it requires some proper configuration of Neutron to work | 14:57 |
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| snasir | pas-ha: thanks for clarifying | 15:00 |
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| TheJulia | mjturek: Good morning :) | 16:01 |
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| rloo | good morning TheJulia, mjturek | 16:06 |
| rloo | hi vdrok, i've got a question about the deprecated port.extra['vif_port_id']. Seems like there are two (or more) ways to approach this. 1. microversion (which means always supported if old version); 2. actually remove support (and disallow .extra['vif_port_id'] from being specified) | 16:07 |
| rloo | vdrok: if you were the one that worked on this (I'm to lazy to look, what was the plan?) | 16:08 |
| mjturek | hey TheJulia omw! | 16:09 |
| TheJulia | I would be +1 for microversion, because we don't have an ansible ports module yet | 16:09 |
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| rloo | sambetts: or maybe it was you or both of you that might know ^^ | 16:10 |
| sambetts | TheJulia, rloo: I believe it has to been a microversion (although whats weird about it is that we can't reject that value from .extra, we can just stop paying attention to it) | 16:12 |
| TheJulia | sambetts: very true | 16:12 |
| rloo | sambetts: the problem is that we have to reject the value; there's no way to know (in conductor) whether to stop paying attention to it or not | 16:12 |
| rloo | sambetts: no way now anyway. it is a mess | 16:12 |
| TheJulia | I'm just wondering how much does it really cost us to leave the or if it is in extra code | 16:12 |
| rloo | sambetts: if we were to use microversions, we should have removed support for .extra[] when we microversioned the new vifs API | 16:13 |
| sambetts | IMO the conductor should just stop paying attention to it (althought then it affects all microversions) blahhh | 16:13 |
| TheJulia | except, people actually do use extra in practice | 16:13 |
| sambetts | yeah, .extra is used for what it was intended for, operator info | 16:14 |
| TheJulia | sambetts: That is the simplest change, and I do kind of agree with it. We know it was poorly placed to begin with, we fixed that | 16:14 |
| rloo | sambetts: i was meant to write something to migrate .extra[] -> .internal_info[] but ugh, this is a mess | 16:14 |
| TheJulia | I can just pout that I'll need to focus on getting an os_ironic_ports module posted | 16:14 |
| TheJulia | Well, operators will then need to be able to update internal_info because some use it for configuration data, or extra tracking metadata | 16:14 |
| sambetts | the conductor was never meant to read .extra, its actually in the discription of the field :-P | 16:14 |
| sambetts | internal_info is read only | 16:15 |
| TheJulia | yup | 16:15 |
| rloo | yeah, so sambetts is right. it should never have been in .extra. but it is/was. | 16:15 |
| TheJulia | so, migrating is not an option really | 16:15 |
| TheJulia | yup | 16:15 |
| * TheJulia thinks that is the conclusion we've come to... several times | 16:15 | |
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| sambetts | this is what pains me and versioning the API separate from versioning ironic, because if we were just versioning ironic then we could say "from ironic version X+ .extra isn't supported" | 16:16 |
| vdrok | morning rloo , mjturek sambetts | 16:16 |
| sambetts | verisoning API and behaviour behind the API separatly causes pain | 16:17 |
| rloo | so we need to support .extra['vif_port_id']? and/or remove support of it, which means ignore its value? but when do we ignore its value, since we've only deprecated it and we still have code using that value :-( | 16:17 |
| vdrok | rloo: yes, for me it would make most sense to just ignore it | 16:17 |
| TheJulia | sambetts: and then every operator will continue to carry .extra downstream and never upgrade | 16:17 |
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| TheJulia | well, every large-ish operator that I've talked to that does standalone at all | 16:17 |
| vdrok | rloo: or, we don't say extra is deprecated yet? | 16:17 |
| vdrok | extra.vif_port_id | 16:17 |
| rloo | the problem with 'just ignore it', is that we never copied the .extra[] to .internal_info. so i cannot change the code in conductor to ignore it. at least not now. | 16:17 |
| TheJulia | I'm very -1 against deprecating extra completely | 16:17 |
| sambetts | rloo: huh? we can change the conductor to ignore it | 16:18 |
| rloo | TheJulia: the boat has sailed, we deprecated it in ocata. we can undeprecate it. | 16:18 |
| TheJulia | I thought we only deprecated vif_port_id | 16:18 |
| rloo | sambetts: can only change conductor to ignore it, once we know we aren't using it, but we still are :-( | 16:18 |
| rloo | TheJulia: yes, that's what i mean, deprecated extra[vif_port_id] | 16:18 |
| sambetts | rloo: we don't use it, we only use it if its set | 16:19 |
| rloo | TheJulia: there's no way we'd deprecate the entire extra field | 16:19 |
| sambetts | rloo: there is no dependecy on it any more | 16:19 |
| rloo | sambetts: right, we only use it if it is set. but people are saying to now 'ignore' that setting. | 16:19 |
| TheJulia | rloo: okay, that is is what I thought | 16:19 |
| rloo | sambetts: to be clear, we only use .extra[vif_port_id] IF it is set and .internal_info[tenant_vif_port_id] is NOT set | 16:19 |
| sambetts | rloo: thats what the deprecation warning said, "this will be ignored silently in the future" | 16:19 |
| sambetts | so we can start ignoring it silently | 16:20 |
| sambetts | right? | 16:20 |
| TheJulia | agreed, it is data in a field, not the actual field | 16:20 |
| jlvillal | So the gate is broken due to the log server being full/broken, correct? | 16:20 |
| vdrok | for existing active instances, the fact we're ignoring it does not matter I think. during deletion, we'll use cleaning net ports anyway | 16:20 |
| vdrok | jlvillal: yes | 16:20 |
| jlvillal | vdrok: Thanks | 16:20 |
| jlvillal | And :( | 16:20 |
| rloo | sambetts: dunno. wrt silently ignoring. if we can do that, then it is easy. at the PTG, someone wanted to migrate the value in .extra[vif_port_id] to .internal_info[tenant_vif_port_id] | 16:20 |
| vdrok | rloo: the problem is it is network interface specific | 16:21 |
| jlvillal | I feel like the Ironic gate has been broken so much the past month :( | 16:21 |
| rloo | jlvillal: cuz it has :-( | 16:21 |
| TheJulia | I guess we could still do the migration... just... ugh | 16:21 |
| rloo | So... Do we NEED to do the migration? | 16:21 |
| rloo | honestly, we should have migrated when we deprecated. | 16:22 |
| vdrok | I'd still say no | 16:22 |
| rloo | vdrok: ok, so no migration. just ignore? | 16:22 |
| rloo | vdrok: that would be way easy to do! please say yes. ha ha. | 16:22 |
| vdrok | for active nodes - if we ignore it does not matter. for the ones not yet deployed we'll complain that vif is not attached. | 16:22 |
| vdrok | yes | 16:22 |
| vdrok | :) | 16:22 |
| rloo | vdrok: any idea who wanted to do the migration? | 16:22 |
| TheJulia | rloo: didn't the topic of doing a migration also come up as something else we failed to migrate in the past? | 16:23 |
| vdrok | rloo: I don't remember :( | 16:23 |
| sambetts | I think we thought it might be required during upgrade, to make sure that nova vif_detch works post-upgrade | 16:23 |
| rloo | TheJulia: i don't recall either :-( | 16:23 |
| TheJulia | sambetts: good point | 16:24 |
| vdrok | vif_detach can still be removing the value tho | 16:24 |
| rloo | TheJulia: i was reminded of this (that i had volunteered) when i read dtantsur|afk 's blog about the ptg | 16:24 |
| vdrok | from extra | 16:24 |
| sambetts | vdrok: do you remember if we added code to ignore the "this has aready been detached" error?? | 16:24 |
| vdrok | sambetts: nope, will check now | 16:24 |
| rloo | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-queens-ptg-ongoing-work | 16:24 |
| rloo | L68 | 16:24 |
| vdrok | sambetts: there is vifnotattached | 16:25 |
| sambetts | does nova ignore it? | 16:25 |
| TheJulia | Yeah, we need to go ahead and just have the migration to help enable skiplevel :( | 16:25 |
| rloo | also from that etherpad, L69 is incorrect | 16:25 |
| TheJulia | :( | 16:26 |
| rloo | TheJulia: ah, so that was the reason. so folks could skiplevel. | 16:26 |
| vdrok | sambetts: yes it does ignore it | 16:26 |
| vdrok | prints debug logging | 16:26 |
| TheJulia | long lived instances is also not super unreasonable in an enterprise environment | 16:26 |
| vdrok | oh | 16:26 |
| TheJulia | even though, it is not cloudy | 16:27 |
| vdrok | but still, not sure, in which case would it matter? | 16:27 |
| vdrok | with skip level upgrade | 16:27 |
| TheJulia | if someone is on an older version, upgrades 2x releases, then tries to do a vif addition on a node | 16:27 |
| vdrok | even if we have an instance booted in kilo, new code will call vif_detach, not just removing key from extra | 16:27 |
| vdrok | vif addition will go to internal_info now | 16:28 |
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| TheJulia | will nova ship both vifs over then? | 16:28 |
| rloo | vdrok: so new code calls vif_detach, but the person's usecase is still setting port's extra (or assuming that value is used) for the next vif_attach call | 16:28 |
| vdrok | TheJulia: yeah nova might still have to look at both, hrm | 16:29 |
| vdrok | rloo: like, that person will be parsing extra field of all ports belonging to a node? | 16:29 |
| NobodyCam | Good Morning Ironic'ers | 16:30 |
| vdrok | morning NobodyCam | 16:30 |
| rloo | vdrok: good question. sec, i want to take a look at the code... | 16:30 |
| NobodyCam | Good morning vdrok & rloo :) | 16:30 |
| TheJulia | mjturek: hshiina: so, found out why I've not found fcoe on cinder's radar, it got confused with ?NVMoE? | 16:31 |
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| TheJulia | so... ugh. | 16:31 |
| rloo | vdrok: ah, ok, i think you're right. i'd have to look at older code too, but as long as the port's .extra[vif_port_id] got cleared when we detached, we are good. | 16:32 |
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| vdrok | TheJulia: actually, nova does not care if vif is attached in extra or internal info, just vif_detach in ironic should look at both and clear them | 16:32 |
| vdrok | rloo: ++ | 16:32 |
| TheJulia | vdrok: okay | 16:33 |
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| * sambetts ---> got to run | 16:34 | |
| sambetts | night all | 16:34 |
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| rloo | bye sambetts! | 16:34 |
| sambetts | see everyone tomorrow | 16:34 |
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| TheJulia | goodnight sambetts|afk | 16:34 |
| rloo | thx vdrok, TheJulia! | 16:35 |
| vdrok | night sambetts|afk | 16:35 |
| vdrok | np :) | 16:35 |
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| mjturek | TheJulia: so does that change the status of FCoE in cinder at all? | 16:46 |
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| TheJulia | it means, we're likely driving it. FC support in general, we should be good as long as the back-end storage driver in cinder supports it. Just for FCoE, I was hoping for something we could use in CI/gate testing | 16:49 |
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| rloo | vdrok: i think the only time the port's .extra[vif_port_id] might be needed (after a node is active), is when a REBUILD happens. just guessing though. | 16:51 |
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| vdrok | rloo: hrm, yeah. in this case we could actually move it? | 16:54 |
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| mjturek | ahhh understood TheJulia | 16:54 |
| rloo | vdrok: yeah, but 'move it' means we might have to delay removing support. if we move it via an ironic-dbsync online-data-migrations thing. | 16:55 |
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| rloo | vdrok: i need to think about it. thx for confirming though :) | 16:56 |
| vdrok | rloo: another case I can think of is updating the mac address of a port. as now we go to neutron to update the port there as well | 16:56 |
| vdrok | rloo: so we might end up ignoring it during deployment requests, but not otherwise?.. | 16:57 |
| rloo | vdrok: darn, we should have just copied that info to .internal_info when we deprecated. oh well. | 16:57 |
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| rloo | vdrok: ok, i think i have a plan. we continue the deprecation in Queens, but change the code in Queens to copy to .internal_info and add a migration thing. then we can remove in Rocky. | 16:59 |
| vdrok | yeah with all that ^^ I guess this is the best we can do | 16:59 |
| rloo | vdrok: better safe than sorry, we've waited this long... :) | 17:00 |
| rloo | vdrok: thx for thinking this through with me! | 17:00 |
| vdrok | rloo: heh. another fun thing is https://review.openstack.org/456127 :) | 17:00 |
| patchbot | patch 456127 - ironic - Deprecate DHCP providers | 17:00 |
| rloo | vdrok: you guys are going to kill me! :D | 17:00 |
| vdrok | I'm afraid to even start reviewing | 17:00 |
| rloo | vdrok: me too! you first though :) | 17:01 |
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| * jlvillal remembers that patch and rebasing it a couple times | 17:08 | |
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| vdrok | good night everyone! | 17:18 |
| rloo | have a good evening vdrok! | 17:20 |
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| snasir | Hi , I have a question regarding how ironic uses tftp-server, Does it just expects that a tftp-server is already setup and running on the same node as the ironic-conductor & or does ironic itself (somewhere in its source code) configure anything related to the tftp-server ?Thanks | 17:50 |
| jlvillal | So does anyone know if any of our drivers when using IPA could run without swift? This is Python 3 related. | 17:51 |
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| snasir | And secondly, is a 'flat' provider network the only option to boot a bare-metal instance, or can it be deployed over a tagged Vlan network? Thanks | 17:52 |
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| anupn | snasir, I believe it is required to be setup by the user on the node running ironic-conductor. THis pointer might be helpful https://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/baremetal/draft/configure-pxe.html | 17:59 |
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| snswin | hi, i am trying to understand the difference in using ironic as standalone vs with compute... If i want to use a system which is capable of supporting both Baremetal instances and VMs, can i only do so by utilizing the ironic project in a standlone mode , ie: without using Nova with the Ironic Driver ? Any suggestions would be great. Thanks | 19:26 |
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| snswin | And can ironic nodes be deployed over Vlan tagged networks or just a Flat network? Thanks | 19:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ironic master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/511029 | 21:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ruby Loo proposed openstack/ironic master: [WIP] Copy port[group] VIF info from extra to internal_info https://review.openstack.org/511636 | 22:36 |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Workarounds are in place for libcurl and similar dependency errors due to stale ubuntu mirroring, and for POST_FAILURE results stemming from runaway inode utilization on the logs site; feel free to recheck failing changes for either of these problems now | 23:03 | |
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