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| therve | pas-ha, Hi! Can I get your feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/529170/ ? | 12:50 |
| patchbot | patch 529170 - ironic - Split pxe drivers | 12:50 |
| therve | I think I handled your feedback by TheJulia had some other comments | 12:50 |
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| dtantsur | morning/afternoon ironic | 13:47 |
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| NobodyCam | Good Morning Ironic'ers .... And (OFC) .... | 15:13 |
| NobodyCam | TGIF! | 15:13 |
| dtantsur | morning NobodyCam. the best TGIF of this year \o/ | 15:13 |
| TheJulia | yay! Friday! | 15:13 |
| NobodyCam | Morning dtantsur and TheJulia | 15:14 |
| dtantsur | :) | 15:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/ironic master: Switch non-vendor parts admin guide to hardware types https://review.openstack.org/528337 | 15:14 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: Oh ya THE LAST ONE! | 15:14 |
| NobodyCam | * check that the 2nd to the last one | 15:14 |
| * dtantsur brb, fedora upgrade | 15:15 | |
| NobodyCam | :) nice | 15:15 |
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| sambetts|afk | \o/ | 15:20 |
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| TheJulia | good morning sambetts | 15:22 |
| therve | TheJulia, Hi! Do you have a few mins to chat about https://review.openstack.org/529170 ? | 15:25 |
| patchbot | patch 529170 - ironic - Split pxe drivers | 15:25 |
| TheJulia | sambetts: btw, I ran the tags idea for affinity/anti-affinity across a friend of mine at a very segregated deployment and he thinks it is in the right. The discussion did end up going to "well, what if a customer's name was used and another customer had access", upon which maybe it would just restrict it to baremetal_admin's eyes only. | 15:25 |
| TheJulia | therve: did you see my reply this morning? | 15:25 |
| therve | TheJulia, Yes just did! | 15:25 |
| TheJulia | okay, I would just prefer to avoid a huge merge conflict for someone like NobodyCam | 15:25 |
| therve | So the point I was trying to make, is why people actually change that file? | 15:26 |
| TheJulia | because they want to build custom drivers, and they just hack it into place. | 15:26 |
| therve | I feel there is everything in place so you don't have to do that though | 15:26 |
| NobodyCam | :) ++ | 15:26 |
| TheJulia | I mean, we could do it, nobodycam would throw stuff at me | 15:27 |
| therve | NobodyCam, Can you explain why you change drivers in place? | 15:27 |
| * NobodyCam ready the wet cat catapult :) | 15:27 | |
| sambetts | TheJulia: did you see the update to added to the RFE, extending the idea to better support hard/soft affinity, hard affinity's for "this must never go here" and soft for "it would be better if the node was here" | 15:27 |
| TheJulia | but other operators, might not be very happy that their custom drivers patch suddenly doesn't merge, so options are raise visibility, or minimize merge conflicts | 15:27 |
| TheJulia | sambetts: no, I think that was after I showed him it and discussed it with him | 15:28 |
| TheJulia | him being my friend | 15:28 |
| TheJulia | NobodyCam: wet cats are mean :( | 15:28 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 15:28 |
| sambetts | TheJulia: ah no problem, I've just been dropping ideas as i think of them into the RFE | 15:29 |
| NobodyCam | :( | 15:29 |
| * NobodyCam puts catapult away | 15:29 | |
| therve | I still don't understand, there are APIs in place so that you don't have to worry about unknown merge issues | 15:32 |
| sambetts | therve: its not an offically supported way of doing things, people shouldn't have custom patches on top of ironic's base code, we provide hooks for adding additonal drivers etc, but we know there are some operators that just can help themselves but patch the actual code, and then they will be broken if there is a giant merge conflict they can't fix | 15:34 |
| TheJulia | therve: Some operators use that and file to construct custom classic drivers, change behavior to meet their exact needs, override code for classic drivers. Largely because ironic is opinionated, and it is a central to change things. | 15:36 |
| therve | sambetts, So it's not supported but still kind of a bit ? :) | 15:36 |
| TheJulia | therve: we don't want to irritate them or hinder their ability to upgrade easily. Or we want to help them help themselves | 15:36 |
| TheJulia | so inline note saying "Hey, do xyz" could be helpful | 15:37 |
| therve | TheJulia, OK I understand. There are not really good reasons, but... you want to be nice | 15:37 |
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| sambetts | what constitutes the driver API has always been a bit of grey area, and generally in OpenStack projects when classes that might be inherited by someone else we go through a deprecation and add aliases in the old place to the new location | 15:37 |
| TheJulia | We must be nice or the deployments are not upgraded. :( | 15:38 |
| therve | sambetts, I can understand that the API is a grey area, but maintaining patches should be a big no-no | 15:39 |
| TheJulia | therve: except _nobody_ operates vanilla openstack | 15:39 |
| sambetts | therve: moving those classes can atually affect people just inheriting those drivers from outside too | 15:39 |
| TheJulia | well, except infra | 15:39 |
| sambetts | any from ironic.drivers import pxe for example | 15:40 |
| TheJulia | sambetts: good point, I didn't even think of that | 15:40 |
| therve | sambetts, Yes, and I preserved that in my patch | 15:40 |
| sambetts | +1 i see that | 15:41 |
| therve | TheJulia, Sure people don't operate vanilla openstack, but there are still way to customize thngs to not carry patches | 15:41 |
| therve | And there are here as well | 15:41 |
| TheJulia | Agreed, except operators != developers. They don't want to write code, they don't want elegence, they are going to hack the solution they need be it a couple lines or not in place and not think about the right way unless we have that carefully documented for them to have an understanding of how do I sanely hack ironic to do my super custom thing to meet my operational requirements | 15:42 |
| therve | It's just that it's really hard to have this dark cloud on your head of "don't change things too much" without knowing what it is | 15:43 |
| therve | Like, can I change 20 lines? 50? What's the "right" threshold | 15:44 |
| TheJulia | therve: In my mind, the classic driver files are fairly sensitive because I know operators have duplicated and modified them, which is really why I feel we need an inline comment or description as to why the file has changed dramatically in order to at least provide a clue for when it does merge conflcit, because in many cases, it will be inevitable. | 15:45 |
| TheJulia | granted, we're going to nuke them from high orbit at some point relatively soon, which will absolutely merge conflict, but we would, at that point, given operators several cycles worth of new code to change and adapt. | 15:48 |
| therve | OK :) | 15:48 |
| TheJulia | s/given/have given/ | 15:48 |
| therve | TheJulia, Thanks for the response, appreciated | 15:48 |
| TheJulia | therve: hopefully I'm not coming off as a jerk, I really just don't want NobodyCam throwing wet cats at me | 15:49 |
| TheJulia | or I want to keep it to one maybe | 15:49 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 15:49 |
| TheJulia | NobodyCam: since you've been around for a long long time, would you mind taking a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/529681/ if you have a chance? | 15:51 |
| patchbot | patch 529681 - ironic - Add additional context to contribution guide | 15:51 |
| NobodyCam | I can in a bit (like 30 min or so isn) | 15:51 |
| TheJulia | oh, no rush | 15:51 |
| TheJulia | I just got slightly inspired after a discussion in the TC channel yesterday | 15:52 |
| * TheJulia wanders off to go take a shower since today is supposed to be a day off and she needs to run a few errands. | 15:53 | |
| NobodyCam | TheJulia: Enjoy the start of your holiday! | 15:54 |
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| dtantsur | enjoy TheJulia | 16:05 |
| * dtantsur looks around to see if there are any cores left | 16:06 | |
| dtantsur | folks, we need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/529421/ to move forward with ironic-tempest-plugin work | 16:06 |
| patchbot | patch 529421 - ironic - zuul: Add ability to specify a 'branch_override' v... | 16:06 |
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| TheJulia | dtantsur: I'm around, kind of | 16:10 |
| * TheJulia looks | 16:10 | |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: inflight to land | 16:11 |
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| dtantsur | thanks! now please enjoy the holidays :) | 16:12 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: heh, I'll have my tablet as I'm running errands if other reviews are needed. | 16:14 |
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| dtantsur | there is also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/529527/ but we don't seem to have a quorum to land it :) | 16:23 |
| patchbot | patch 529527 - ironic-tempest-plugin - Update the list of CI jobs | 16:23 |
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| dtantsur | huh, and there's something weird about grenade anyway.. | 16:26 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: how sure are you that it is actually pulling in stable/pike? | 16:28 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: inspector is not pulling it in, because we need a change to inspector jobs similar to one you've just approved | 16:28 |
| dtantsur | working on it right now | 16:28 |
| TheJulia | \o/ | 16:28 |
| TheJulia | ok | 16:28 |
| TheJulia | yay for cross version compatability! | 16:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/ironic-inspector master: zuul: Add ability to specify a 'branch_override' value https://review.openstack.org/529855 | 16:31 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: for ironic jobs it is working: http://logs.openstack.org/27/529527/6/check/ironic-tempest-dsvm-ipa-wholedisk-bios-agent_ipmitool-tinyipa-pike/129b784/logs/devstack-gate-setup-workspace-new.txt.gz#_2017-12-22_14_12_14_576 | 16:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/ironic-tempest-plugin master: Update the list of CI jobs https://review.openstack.org/529527 | 16:32 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: yeah, i clicked an inspector job first | 16:34 |
| dtantsur | now I'm trying to understand what's wrong with ocata jobs.. | 16:34 |
| dtantsur | SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED | 16:35 |
| dtantsur | wut | 16:35 |
| dtantsur | ah, damn TLS | 16:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Sam Betts proposed openstack/ironic-inspector master: [WIP][DNM] Experiment with batch through iptables-restore https://review.openstack.org/527943 | 16:39 |
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| sambetts | have great holidays if i don't see any one beforehand | 16:42 |
| sambetts | o/ | 16:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/ironic master: Run in superconductor cellsv2 mode for non-grenade jobs https://review.openstack.org/527289 | 16:43 |
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| TheJulia | dtantsur: ugh :( | 16:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/ironic-inspector master: zuul: Add ability to specify a 'branch_override' value https://review.openstack.org/529855 | 16:49 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: should look something like ^^^ | 16:49 |
| TheJulia | fun :( | 16:51 |
| dtantsur | oh yeah, "fun" | 16:52 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur, Nice job figuring that out! | 16:52 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal: thnx :) morning and why aren't you buying cool stuff for celebration? ;) | 16:53 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur, No need to buy anything really. Just a few presents for my nephews, which tends to be Amazon.com gift cards | 16:54 |
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| dtantsur | heh | 16:54 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur, So I imagine that same stable/ocata change should go into ironic... | 16:55 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur, Are you going to do that? | 16:55 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal: I was going to bail out soon, but I can stay a bit more to do it | 16:55 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur, I can do it. | 16:55 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal: cool, thanks! note that we don't have to exclude Pike, as it's compatible with tls proxy. and Newton is no longer | 16:56 |
| jlvillal | okay | 16:56 |
| dtantsur | so regexp matching turns into similar string comparision - see the patch above | 16:56 |
| jlvillal | Yep | 16:57 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal: updated the bottom of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-tempest-plugin-migration with the latest changes | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | and with this, I'll probably call it a day (and a year :) | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | happy holidays, see you all next year! I'm back on Jan 4th | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur, Enjoy! | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | use personal email/hangouts/telegram if you need to reach me | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | see you | 17:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | boden proposed openstack/networking-generic-switch master: use callbacks from neutron-lib https://review.openstack.org/529862 | 17:02 |
| TheJulia | wait?!? one can still send telegrams?!? | 17:03 |
| dtantsur|afk | lol, why not | 17:03 |
| TheJulia | :) | 17:03 |
| TheJulia | have a wonderful holiday | 17:03 |
| openstackgerrit | John L. Villalovos proposed openstack/ironic master: zuul: Update TLSPROXY based on branch https://review.openstack.org/529863 | 17:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Turek proposed openstack/ironic-python-agent master: Use lshw in place of dmidecode for the default hardware manager https://review.openstack.org/501799 | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | TheJulia, FYI: https://review.openstack.org/529863 | 17:11 |
| patchbot | patch 529863 - ironic - zuul: Update TLSPROXY based on branch | 17:11 |
| TheJulia | lgtm | 17:12 |
| openstackgerrit | John L. Villalovos proposed openstack/ironic-tempest-plugin master: Add a stable/pike and stable/ocata test job https://review.openstack.org/529386 | 17:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-ironicclient master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/528902 | 17:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ironic master: zuul: Add ability to specify a 'branch_override' value https://review.openstack.org/529421 | 18:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ironic-inspector master: Terminal state transitions in transactions https://review.openstack.org/510928 | 19:04 |
| jlvillal | TheJulia, Thanks :) | 19:13 |
| TheJulia | ??? | 19:23 |
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| jlvillal | TheJulia, for the patch you did a +2 on | 19:35 |
| jlvillal | TheJulia, I didn't see your response for a long time | 19:35 |
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| TheJulia | ahh | 20:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ironic master: Use openstack port create instead of neutron port-create https://review.openstack.org/529311 | 20:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ironic-inspector master: zuul: Add ability to specify a 'branch_override' value https://review.openstack.org/529855 | 20:44 |
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