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| dtantsur | morning ironic | 09:44 |
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| etingof | morning dtantsur \o | 09:53 |
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| dtantsur | etingof: if you come to Berlin, you may want to bring you NUCs: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-hackathon-berlin-tickets-49428013519 :) | 10:15 |
| etingof | dtantsur, very interesting indeed | 10:16 |
| dtantsur | I'm thinking of going there | 10:17 |
| etingof | my SoC board just traveled back from the States | 10:17 |
| dtantsur | (actually I may end up helping organizing it) | 10:17 |
| etingof | \o/ | 10:17 |
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| rpioso | Good morning | 10:57 |
| rpioso | dtantsur: Can a driver know when the pxe_enabled property of a port object is changed? | 10:59 |
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| dtantsur | rpioso: morning, not right now | 11:11 |
| jroll | morning dtantsur, rpioso, and etingof | 11:11 |
| etingof | o/ | 11:11 |
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| dtantsur | morning jroll | 11:16 |
| rpioso | jroll: Morning | 11:17 |
| rpioso | dtantsur: I see that pxe_enabled can be changed through the CLI and NetworkInterface has port_changed(). Are those not related? | 11:23 |
| rpioso | dtantsur: Alternatively, can a driver read the pxe_enabled settings of its ports? | 11:26 |
| dtantsur | maybe I'm not up-to-date on this topic. vdrok or sambetts_ ^^ | 11:28 |
| rpioso | Thank you | 11:28 |
| vdrok | rpioso: I don't see why not read them. at least network interfaces do that | 11:30 |
| vdrok | good morning all | 11:30 |
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| jroll | rpioso: it looks like a *network* driver could take action when that is changed via the API, with the port_changed() method | 11:34 |
| jroll | and yes, the task object has a ports attribute you can read from any driver | 11:35 |
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| etingof | TheJulia, wrt Redfish console access: serial (IPMI) and/or graphical (KVMIP) console is supported plus whatever OEM come up with. As for the schema: ComputerSystem console is configured as a console of a Manager (ComputerSystem/Links/ManagedBy) where you need to enable console as such for the Manager (Manager/GraphicalConsole/ServiceEnabled) and possibly configure KVMIP port as a property of that Manager (e.g. ManagerNetworkProtocol/KVMIP/Port) | 11:46 |
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| rpioso | jroll, vdrok: Good morning | 11:56 |
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| etingof | TheJulia, although VNC is not among the ManagerNetworkProtocol yet; getting on serial console over IPMI/SOL managed by Redfish seems a bit convoluted... but we could probably manage SSH serial console over Redfish (in sushy-tools) | 11:59 |
| rpioso | jroll, vdrok: Seems like the idrac hw type could read and apply them when commanded to reboot or power on via its power interface. | 11:59 |
| rpioso | Bear in mind it supports OOB inspection. | 12:00 |
| jroll | rpioso: "apply them"? | 12:01 |
| rpioso | jroll: Configure the server to be consistent with the port objects’ pxe_enabled values. | 12:03 |
| jroll | rpioso: ah, I see | 12:04 |
| rpioso | jroll: Does that sound reasonable? I think it could eliminate the need to configure the hardware ports’ PXE enabled settings via vendor-specific methods. | 12:09 |
| rpioso | The MAC can be used to map a port object to its hardware port. | 12:10 |
| jroll | rpioso: not enough coffee to say, I think. at a glance, it seems odd to me that ironic will "eventually" update the hardware to match a setting that is changed. it also seems inconsistent if setting pxe_enabled is declarative for some drivers and informative for other drivers. | 12:11 |
| rpioso | jroll: The idrac needs to execute a configuration job to apply the change. That requires a reboot. It wouldn’t be client friendly to do that during the API processing. | 12:14 |
| jroll | rpioso: sure, but from an API user perspective, it feels weird. would rather some explicit action, personally, but I may be convinced otherwise | 12:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Ilya Etingof proposed openstack/ironic-specs master: IPA telemetry https://review.openstack.org/492702 | 12:22 |
| TheJulia | Good morning fellow humanoid carbon units! | 12:24 |
| rpioso | jroll: Shouldn’t ‘openstack baremetal port set —pxe_enabled ...’ be applied to the physical port? | 12:24 |
| rpioso | TheJulia: :-) | 12:25 |
| jroll | rpioso: right now I believe it only tells ironic what the state of the hardware is, it is not applied to the hardware | 12:25 |
| jroll | morning TheJulia | 12:25 |
| TheJulia | that is correct | 12:25 |
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| TheJulia | the drivers are free to use that data, but we need to know it for network booting | 12:26 |
| sambetts | port changed is basically a thing in the network interface for the case when a mac address is changed and we need to update the matching neutron port | 12:27 |
| sambetts | I don't think the network interface would be the right place for changing a setting on the baremetal anyway because then you would require vendor specific network interfaces | 12:28 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: etingof: that hackathon sounds neat, but sadly I'm 99.95% sure I'll be in an aircraft saturday night heading for berlin since I need to be in seattle at a conference friday/saturday | 12:28 |
| rpioso | It seems awkward to have one approach to inform ironic and another to apply to the h/w. | 12:28 |
| TheJulia | etingof: any insight into the type or is it completely vendor definable | 12:29 |
| jroll | rpioso: right, that's my hesitation | 12:29 |
| sambetts | rpioso: which ones apply to the h/w? | 12:29 |
| sambetts | rpioso: currently non do as far as I know | 12:29 |
| TheJulia | part of the reason it was created that way was to allow operator's preferences in network design to be represented in selection of ports | 12:30 |
| etingof | TheJulia, good morning! o/ sorry, which type you have in mind? | 12:30 |
| sambetts | the network interface is a plugin between ironic and SDN, not ironic and baremetal like a power or management interface is | 12:30 |
| TheJulia | vnc | 12:30 |
| rpioso | sambetts: Exactly! None that I know of. It sounds like a new one needs to be invented. | 12:30 |
| rpioso | That would make two different methods. | 12:31 |
| jroll | sounds like a good cleaning step - set up the hardware to pxe boot the desired interfaces and register that in the DB | 12:32 |
| sambetts | +1 for cleaning step | 12:32 |
| jroll | given you won't want to do this while it's active anyway :) | 12:32 |
| etingof | TheJulia, it's a standardized enumeration, VNC is not there yet | 12:32 |
| jroll | bonus: automated cleaning always fixes anything someone might have done to the configuration | 12:33 |
| TheJulia | etingof: do youhave a link to the enumeration (since it sounds like they are defined out there) | 12:33 |
| rpioso | Those aren’t consistent across drivers. | 12:33 |
| jroll | rpioso: neither is the ability to configure ports to pxe boot :( | 12:33 |
| TheJulia | even with-in a vendor's hardware line, it is not always consistently supported | 12:33 |
| sambetts | personally I think it would be a cleaning step defined on the vendor specific managemnt interface | 12:34 |
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| etingof | TheJulia, search for SerialConnectTypesSupported -> https://redfish.dmtf.org/schemas/Manager.v1_4_0.json | 12:38 |
| etingof | ...and GraphicalConnectTypesSupported | 12:39 |
| etingof | perhaps we could try to fit VNC into OEM? | 12:40 |
| etingof | not sure how useful that would be from the testing/emulation perspective | 12:40 |
| TheJulia | etingof: I was thinking the exact same | 12:42 |
| TheJulia | pity mkrai is not around at the moment | 12:42 |
| etingof | TheJulia, so what's would be our goal wrt sushy-tools? | 12:42 |
| TheJulia | supporting the graphical console effort I guess | 12:44 |
| rpioso | Would the operator have to configure/perform cleaning, and then inform ironic of the PXE settings? | 12:46 |
| TheJulia | the side effect is possibly some sort of graphical console support for redfish first, although I'm not sure how we would translate the data exactly. seems kvm-over-ip is not super well defined, and typically it is vnc based on ipmi and amt based bmcs (at least according to wikipedia) | 12:48 |
| etingof | TheJulia, I wonder if libvirt can do IP-KVM? it's extremely hard to google ;) | 12:51 |
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| TheJulia | I suspect it could claim it, offer vnc, and nobody would know | 12:53 |
| etingof | TheJulia, if we go the VNC way, we would probably have to code up some custom redfish console driver, if it's OEM... | 12:53 |
| TheJulia | true, I'll try and look a little bit more, trying to prepare for the bug call | 12:54 |
| sambetts | rpioso: either cleaning step would read the pxe_enabled flag on the port and then correct the BMCs setting or take in an input, set the BMCs setting and then update the ironic port | 12:54 |
| etingof | TheJulia, great! keep me pinged ;) | 12:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/ironic master: Prevent HTML from appearing in API error messages https://review.openstack.org/597117 | 12:54 |
| rpioso | sambetts: jroll and TheJulia suggested that the pxe_enabled flag is informative, instead of declarative. | 12:57 |
| sambetts | rpioso: then it would be the second one | 12:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/ironic master: Stop double json encoding the error message responses https://review.openstack.org/567837 | 12:58 |
| sambetts | but there could also be a cleaning step that double checks the information is correct and fails if it doesn't match the real world | 12:58 |
| rpioso | sambetts: Gotcha | 12:58 |
| rpioso | sambetts: What’s the use case for the second one? | 13:00 |
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| sambetts | dtantsur: thanks for picking up the error messages thing | 13:05 |
| rpioso | sambetts: Please disregard that last question. | 13:05 |
| TheJulia | \o/ for putting the wrong time on my calendar | 13:06 |
| dtantsur | sambetts: np, this has bothering me for a while. still unsure about risk of breaking people vs risk of returning this madness.. | 13:06 |
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| sambetts | dtantsur: we already hide much of it behind the python client through horrible parsing of the json, so it would only be people using the API directly | 13:07 |
| dtantsur | sambetts: yeah, and older versions of ironicclient itself. | 13:07 |
| sambetts | :( yeah | 13:08 |
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| TheJulia | when did we fix ironicclient parsing? | 13:09 |
| dtantsur | a while ago, don't remember | 13:09 |
| TheJulia | It feels like over 18 months ago | 13:10 |
| sambetts | we did, and then I think a patch of mine merged that added some code to circumvent the horrible parsing for when we fix it | 13:10 |
| sambetts | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/567836/ | 13:11 |
| patchbot | patch 567836 - python-ironicclient - Stop double json decoding API error messages (MERGED) - 2h 17m 9s spent in CI | 13:11 |
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| TheJulia | etingof: it could just be called redfish-vnc and expect the far side to be fairly vnc compliant which could ultimately be novnc which I believe if we properly populate the console url field, then we're golden | 13:15 |
| TheJulia | etingof: it looks like more or less complaint vnc and ikvm as a fork using different encoding | 13:16 |
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| TheJulia | heh, david lenwell asked if the support had been merged with novnc two days ago | 13:20 |
| TheJulia | the downside of github, someone forked to their own github a whole stack of support and then didn't have time to get it merged back in with the main project :( | 13:23 |
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| rpioso | jroll, sambetts, TheJulia, vdrok: Might the PXE clean steps we've been discussing be generally useful? Should we consider adding them as optional methods on the base ManagementInterface? | 13:42 |
| sambetts | rpioso: I'm not sure it can be on the base, its a vendor specific implementation right/ | 13:43 |
| sambetts | ? | 13:43 |
| rpioso | sambetts: The implementations would be vendor specific. The methods would be abstract. | 13:44 |
| TheJulia | I see it as being vendor specific as well. The support to change the underlying settings is a vendor_thing(), so it could go on the vendor's management interface and then as long as that interface is aware of when and where it can't or won't work and handle that gracefully.... | 13:44 |
| TheJulia | rpioso: abstract cleaning step to call a vendor method? | 13:45 |
| sambetts | I think generic cleaning step to call a function on the vendors management interface makes a lot of sense | 13:46 |
| vdrok | yup this seems logical | 13:46 |
| sambetts | where the vendor method is "set_port_pxe_mode" or something | 13:47 |
| TheJulia | it can, i think we're just splitting the difference of sorts | 13:47 |
| sambetts | however I can still see there being problems where certain vendors might need a reboot and others don't for example :/ | 13:47 |
| rpioso | TheJulia: They would be optional, since not every implementation of that interface would have them. Sort of like the new set boot mode methods etingof added -- https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/ironic/drivers/base.py#L892-#L915 | 13:48 |
| rpioso | They're not actually abstract. | 13:48 |
| rpioso | sambetts: That's a design worth considering. | 13:49 |
| rpioso | From an operator's perspective, wouldn't a consistent functional approach be useful? | 13:50 |
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| TheJulia | I agree one would be, and a base level step somewhat forces vendors to implement $thing, but there is no real difference from a base step that looks for similarly named method and executes it or a vendor management interface method has a step decorator present. The only real difference is if we as a community are making this decision, but without a vendor being willing to implement it once, mandating it doesn't | 13:56 |
| TheJulia | really make sense to me. | 13:56 |
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| rpioso | I suggest that we not discuss design and other implementation details for the moment. | 13:59 |
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| rpioso | TheJulia: I don't grok "The only real difference is if we as a community are making this decision, ***but without a vendor being willing to implement it once, mandating it doesn't really make sense to me***. What does the phrase with the added emphasis, mean? Also, it seems like a Catch 22. | 14:01 |
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| TheJulia | rpioso: it is an approach difference from my point of view. I'm unsure we can decouple design and implementation details from the current discussion because the difference seems to largely be purely an implementation detail that also contains a chicken/egg problem of what exists first. | 14:06 |
| * TheJulia hopes that makes sense, she is on a call righ tnow. | 14:06 | |
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| mjturek | FYI bug day is in about 45 minutes! See here for details https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-bug-day-august-28-2018 | 14:14 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia, sambetts, after staring at pecan code for a while, I also have a feeling that we should just pull the trigger and change the API >_< | 14:19 |
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| dtantsur | but I'd anyway go down a bit different approach than decoding what was already encoded | 14:19 |
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| dtantsur | well, if we switch this code to hooks, we can even use microversions | 14:21 |
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| * dtantsur is probably just thinking aloud | 14:21 | |
| TheJulia | I thought the decoding the already encoded text was a side effect in different error handling. Unless pecan has support now to handle things differently | 14:23 |
| dtantsur | I guess I better make a patch, then we discuss it | 14:25 |
| TheJulia | ++ | 14:26 |
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| rpioso | TheJulia: AFAIU, we presently do not offer operators the capability to configure a baremetal NIC port to PXE boot. Would it be valuable to operators to have such a thing? | 14:39 |
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| rpioso | TheJulia: It seems fundamental to me. | 14:40 |
| rpioso | TheJulia: I understand not all hardware supports it, and that those that do may have unique requirements, such as a reboot. | 14:42 |
| TheJulia | Oh it absolutely would bring value | 14:42 |
| rpioso | TheJulia: Awesome! Then that brings us to architecture/design. | 14:43 |
| rpioso | TheJulia: The consensus seems to be that cleaning steps is the best approach. | 14:43 |
| jroll | sambetts | I think generic cleaning step to call a function on the vendors management interface makes a lot of sense <- agree, and raise an error if unsupported | 14:44 |
| jroll | (sorry to jump back to implementation) | 14:44 |
| rpioso | jroll: Thanks for jumping back in :) | 14:44 |
| jroll | TheJulia: it sounds like dell is the vendor willing to implement it once :) | 14:44 |
| jroll | rpioso: no problem, had an appt :) | 14:44 |
| TheJulia | rpioso: agreed | 14:44 |
| TheJulia | jroll: indeed :) | 14:44 |
| rpioso | jroll, sambetts, TheJulia, vdrok: I'll take an action to create an RFE for this. | 14:46 |
| jroll | ++ | 14:46 |
| rpioso | Does it need to be discussed during our weekly meeting? What about the PTG? | 14:46 |
| jroll | rpioso: let's get the RFE written and go from there. it might just be obvious once it's written down more coherently than IRC | 14:48 |
| jroll | I know TheJulia is doing PTG schedule right now, so I'll leave it to her if she wants to (or can) make room for it | 14:48 |
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| rpioso | jroll: Sounds like a plan. Not sure about the coherent comment, though ;-) | 14:49 |
| TheJulia | I likely can, I was trying to group things in to logical related things since we tend to cover multiple topics in larger topics | 14:49 |
| TheJulia | rpioso: ++ to rfe | 14:49 |
| TheJulia | my prior comment was in regards to making ptg time for it | 14:49 |
| rpioso | TheJulia: ack | 14:49 |
| rpioso | dtantsur, jroll, sambetts, TheJulia, vdrok: Thank you! | 14:50 |
| jroll | :) | 14:50 |
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| TheJulia | Hey, everyone! Bug day! https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-bug-day-august-28-2018 | 15:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ironic master: Replace assertRaisesRegexp with assertRaisesRegex https://review.openstack.org/596769 | 15:07 |
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| TheJulia | etingof: can you take a look at https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2003534 ? | 15:10 |
| * etingof is looking | 15:11 | |
| TheJulia | etingof: and https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2003530 | 15:11 |
| * TheJulia wonders if that one is just the template being used powes on the VM by default | 15:12 | |
| * etingof is trying to reproduce those reports locally | 15:14 | |
| TheJulia | etingof: thanks, please feel free to ask for more info in the storyboard reports | 15:16 |
| etingof | sure | 15:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/ironic master: [WIP] Stop double json encoding the error message responses https://review.openstack.org/567837 | 15:21 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia, sambetts, shows the idea ^^^ but fails some unit tests | 15:21 |
| sambetts | dtantsur: that seems cleaner than before | 15:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/ironic master: [WIP] Stop double json encoding the error message responses https://review.openstack.org/567837 | 15:42 |
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| dtantsur|afk | o/ | 15:44 |
| jroll | dtantsur: what's the chance metalsmith may be enhanced to not require neutron or glance? | 15:44 |
| jroll | er, dtantsur|afk ^ | 15:44 |
| dtantsur|afk | jroll: glance - 100%, neutron - if somebody does it. | 15:45 |
| jroll | feel free to answer tomorrow btw :) | 15:45 |
| jroll | dtantsur|afk: okay, this may fit my use case well | 15:45 |
| jroll | thanks! good night | 15:45 |
| dtantsur|afk | task for glance: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2002048 | 15:45 |
| dtantsur|afk | g'night! | 15:45 |
| rpioso | dtantsur|afk: Good night | 15:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Will Miller proposed openstack/ironic-specs master: Add virtual Bare Metal Clusters spec https://review.openstack.org/579583 | 15:54 |
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| NobodyCam | Good Morning Ironic'ers | 16:18 |
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| sambetts|afk | night all | 16:41 |
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| TheJulia | om nom nom | 18:01 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur|afk: that approach makes sense to me and it is growing on me as I think about it | 18:03 |
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| TheJulia | rpioso: I've put you down for the redfish events discussion in terms of leading it on friday, please keep copious notes :) | 22:39 |
| TheJulia | etingof: do you feel aliveness tracking needs to be a ptg topic? I think it makes sense to do. Or is the purpose of asking more so more for requirements gathering? | 22:40 |
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