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| arne_wiebalck | mid-cycle starting now | 08:40 |
| arne_wiebalck | https://indico.cern.ch/event/863986/videoconference/ | 08:41 |
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| diurnalist | hello all, I work with Ironic on a decent size (~300 nodes) deployment for an academic testbed (Chameleon). we are looking in to creating a custom hardware manager to perform some additional in-band cleaning. i'm confused by reading the docs though. how does ironic know about what custom clean steps via hardware managers are available? it seems like it has to ask IPA to do that, which implies | 17:39 |
| diurnalist | a ramdisk w/ IPA has already been deployed. | 17:39 |
| diurnalist | also, if anybody has info about how to reliably build a custom hardware manager into IPA, i'd be grateful | 17:39 |
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| JayF | diurnalist: hey, I have the perfect thing for you friend | 18:18 |
| JayF | https://opendev.org/x/ipa-example-hardware-managers/ | 18:19 |
| JayF | Let me know if looking over those examples help. It's pretty extensively documented inline. | 18:19 |
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| diurnalist | JayF: thanks, that's very helpful! just what I was missing. | 18:43 |
| JayF | Not a problem :) If you have any issues or questions you can ping me, although replies may be high-latency as I don't always have time to work upstream. | 18:43 |
| diurnalist | sure -- another thing I am anticipating is, do you have any strategies for debugging this? i saw CERN slides that said that they used a custom DIB element that will git clone their hw manager repo when the ramdisk starts (to avoid re-building it when the hwm changes) | 18:45 |
| diurnalist | that will help with the feedback loop. but i'm wondering what is the best way to just do sanity checks on the ramdisk or pull logs if something isn't working | 18:45 |
| JayF | I don't know how to answer that question well in context of modern Ironic. I think there's an option to leave a node booted in the case of a failure, and you can console in and investigate. | 18:46 |
| JayF | IPA will also ship logs, I believe | 18:46 |
| JayF | The big advice I'd give you is to be 100% certain your clean steps are solid, through testing, before automating them. | 18:46 |
| diurnalist | ah ok, interesting. i use kolla and do think that it is sending boot logs to centralized logging. | 18:46 |
| diurnalist | yep, makes sense | 18:46 |
| JayF | IME the "hard part" is getting things like firmware-flashing utilities working in a ramdisk or unattended | 18:47 |
| JayF | IDK what your use case is for hardware managers, but that's the issues I tended to run into when implementing this originally for an environment at a previous job. | 18:47 |
| diurnalist | our use-case is more to decorate the hardware information that ironic pulls by default, but we will likely want to do other hardware/firmware related things :) | 18:48 |
| diurnalist | so we have a bit of a luxury to start with reading as opposed to writing | 18:48 |
| JayF | Yeah, depending on what exactly oyu mean by that, it might not be a hardware manager method that you can edit | 18:48 |
| diurnalist | we are looking into list_hardware_info, i think was the function | 18:49 |
| JayF | that's totally in the hardware manager, so you're on the right path | 18:49 |
| JayF | I don't know if you have to change anything on the other side (inspector) as well or not though, I'm not well-versed on those pieces. | 18:49 |
| diurnalist | i think we will cross that bridge when we come to it, i will be happy when we can at least report some additional info back | 18:50 |
| JayF | good luck! Hope you enjoy using Ironic. | 18:50 |
| diurnalist | other question for my clarity... given that Ironic must need to "find" these custom HWMs, how does that play in to the fact that you can presumably define custom out-of-band clean steps? does that mean that it has to first load the ramdisk on the node, then ask IPA which clean steps it supports, then somehow exit to call the out-of-band step via ilo or something? | 18:51 |
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| JayF | bingo | 18:52 |
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| JayF | I think you understand more than you let on :) | 18:52 |
| diurnalist | ok, and then it also assumes that you have perhaps installed a custom hardware _driver_ in addition to the IPA hardware _manager_ so it can e.g. perform out-of-band via the management interface, not the deploy interface | 18:53 |
| diurnalist | :) | 18:53 |
| JayF | Not neccessarily "custom", but you get the idea | 18:53 |
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| JayF | it builds the list at clean-time in order to take the node hardware into account | 18:53 |
| diurnalist | i see, that makes sense | 18:54 |
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| diurnalist | cheers, thanks! that helps. i like to know how something is working under the hood | 18:54 |
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