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| tzumainn | TheJulia, hi! the answer is yes :) | 00:50 |
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| TheJulia | tzumainn: then you have email ;) | 00:50 |
| tzumainn | TheJulia, ah yes, I've been following that email chain! | 00:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | wu.shiming proposed openstack/bifrost master: Fix hacking min version to 3.1.0 https://review.opendev.org/753235 | 01:22 |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: We are investigating an issue with our hosted Gerrit services. We will provide an update as soon as we can. If you want to follow the latest, feel free to join #opendev | 03:25 | |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: We identified a possible vulnerability in Gerrit and are investigating the potential impact on our services. Out of an abundance of caution we have taken our OpenDev hosted Gerrit system offline. We will update with more information once we are able. | 04:29 | |
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| arne_wiebalck | Good morning, ironic! | 06:53 |
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| rpittau | good morning ironic! o/ | 07:04 |
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| iurygregory | good morning arne_wiebalck rpittau and Ironic! | 07:21 |
| arne_wiebalck | Hey iurygregory and rpittau o/ | 07:22 |
| iurygregory | wow gerrit is down = ( | 07:22 |
| iurygregory | just saw the notice | 07:22 |
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| rpittau | hey iurygregory arne_wiebalck :) | 08:08 |
| * rpittau got distracted 5 secs after connecting :/ | 08:08 | |
| iurygregory | hey rpittau o/ | 08:08 |
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| rpittau | wow murphy's law giving its best during open infra week | 08:09 |
| iurygregory | rpittau, totally! | 08:09 |
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| iurygregory | mgoddard, "sincere" was a nice name =D | 08:26 |
| mgoddard | iurygregory: heh :) | 08:26 |
| iurygregory | if something new comes up in ironic we should com sincere =D | 08:27 |
| rpittau | 'sarcastic' would be too passive/aggressive I guess :P | 08:31 |
| iurygregory | hahahaha | 08:31 |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: We identified a possible vulnerability in Gerrit and are investigating the potential impact on our services. Out of an abundance of caution we have taken our OpenDev hosted Gerrit system offline. We will update with more information once we are able. | 08:36 | |
| *** ChanServ changes topic to "We identified a possible vulnerability in Gerrit and are investigating the potential impact on our services. Out of an abundance of caution we have taken our OpenDev hosted Gerrit system offline. We will update with more information once we are able." | 08:36 | |
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| dtantsur | morning/whatever it is, ironic | 08:38 |
| rpittau | hey dtantsur :) | 08:39 |
| iurygregory | morning dtantsur | 08:40 |
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| dtantsur | gerrit is down, what are people up for? | 08:46 |
| iurygregory | since 05 =) | 08:51 |
| iurygregory | watching videos from yesterday | 08:51 |
| rpittau | my openstack personality is sleeping, but my metal3 one is on active duty | 08:51 |
| iurygregory | since summit was a bit crazy kkkkkkkkkk | 08:51 |
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| dtantsur | iurygregory: oh, where are the videos from yesterday? | 08:57 |
| iurygregory | dtantsur, I'm able to look at the schedule an re-watch things from yesterday | 08:58 |
| iurygregory | for example there was one from Ramon that was during lunch time yesterday | 08:58 |
| iurygregory | and Im watching now | 08:58 |
| Qianbiao | Hello Ironic. | 09:00 |
| Qianbiao | Morning/Afternoon folks o/ | 09:01 |
| dtantsur | \o | 09:01 |
| rpittau | the site works well today, schedule and videos are there | 09:01 |
| iurygregory | yup | 09:01 |
| Qianbiao | dtantsur people up to save gerrit :) | 09:01 |
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| Qianbiao | arne_wiebalck you may be interesting that this is my project global networking topology https://pasteboard.co/JwuNgGu.png | 09:07 |
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| arne_wiebalck | Qianbiao: Oh, wow, that looks interesting! | 09:09 |
| arne_wiebalck | Qianbiao: Very nice and clear diagram. | 09:10 |
| Qianbiao | :) ty | 09:10 |
| Qianbiao | the vlan isolation is implement by VxLAN tech in backend. | 09:11 |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Update on gerrit downtime: After investigation, we believe the incident is related to a compromised Gerrit user account rather than a vulnerability in Gerrit software. We are continuing to review activity to verify the integrity of git data and expect to have an additional update with possible service restoration in approximately 2 hours. | 11:05 | |
| *** ChanServ changes topic to "Update on gerrit downtime: After investigation, we believe the incident is related to a compromised Gerrit user account rather than a vulnerability in Gerrit software. We are continuing to review activity to verify the integrity of git data and expect to have an additional update with possible service restoration in approximately 2 hours." | 11:05 | |
| iurygregory | 2 more hours? =O | 11:10 |
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| rpittau | right in time for the open infra to start | 11:15 |
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| iurygregory | yeah | 11:36 |
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| rpioso | Good morning, ironicers :) | 11:47 |
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| arne_wiebalck | Hey rpioso o/ | 12:09 |
| rpioso | arne_wiebalck: \o | 12:10 |
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| rpioso | Are the sessions today being held over Zoom? | 12:22 |
| iurygregory | morning rpioso o/ | 12:22 |
| rpioso | iurygregory: Hey! | 12:23 |
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| TheJulia | Folks, would you guys be interested in having a follow-up discussion to our spaghetti of images and drivers topic yesterday? | 12:40 |
| TheJulia | It does seem like streaming seems to be good this morning | 12:40 |
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| TheJulia | looks like they have ripped out the embedded etherpad and just linked to it | 12:42 |
| * dtantsur is ready | 12:43 | |
| TheJulia | excellent | 12:50 |
| TheJulia | foundations taff emailed | 12:50 |
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| TheJulia | rpioso: zoom, but video streaming seems to be kind of working, I think | 12:50 |
| TheJulia | rpioso: embedded etherpad appears to have been moved to a link | 12:50 |
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| dtantsur | I have a feeling that grub images on live CDs and grub images in distro repositories are built differently..... | 12:58 |
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| TheJulia | I think we might have broken the "hi, i'm too busy" conductor reply sometime | 13:03 |
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| TheJulia | I've had multiple people mention timeouts and never getting the "I'm too busy" reply out of the conductor that it should be generating :\ | 13:10 |
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| dtantsur | timeouts can also happen when a processing thread is started and then gets stuck | 13:11 |
| TheJulia | yeah | 13:11 |
| TheJulia | it could also just be that | 13:12 |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: We've confirmed that known compromised identities have been reset or had their accounts disabled, and we are auditing other service accounts for signs of compromise before we prepare to restore Gerrit to working order. We will update again in roughly 2 hours. | 13:33 | |
| *** ChanServ changes topic to "We've confirmed that known compromised identities have been reset or had their accounts disabled, and we are auditing other service accounts for signs of compromise before we prepare to restore Gerrit to working order. We will update again in roughly 2 hours." | 13:33 | |
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| TheJulia | joy! | 13:47 |
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| iurygregory | 2 more hours way to go | 13:54 |
| iurygregory | let's wait for 2 more after the next update =D | 13:54 |
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| dtantsur | the work continues tomorrow | 13:58 |
| iurygregory | at least we have good sessions we can join =) | 14:04 |
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| dtantsur | TheJulia: what time is the renewed untangling session? | 14:08 |
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| ftarasenko | Hi team! arne_wiebalck: do you have zoom link for your today's session? | 14:19 |
| arne_wiebalck | ftarasenko: scaling Ironic you mean? | 14:20 |
| ftarasenko | arne_wiebalck: yes, but if you have other sessions, I also can try to join | 14:21 |
| arne_wiebalck | ftarasenko: the one today is a presentation, so it will be on disqus not on zoom | 14:21 |
| arne_wiebalck | ftarasenko: the ops feedback and the sig forums are tomorrow | 14:22 |
| ftarasenko | arne_wiebalck: ok, thanks! | 14:22 |
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| arne_wiebalck | ftarasenko: TheJulia collected all links here: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/ironic-wallaby-ptg | 14:23 |
| ftarasenko | arne_wiebalck: I thought that it will be meeting today and found no link there. Thanks again. | 14:24 |
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| TheJulia | arne_wiebalck: awesome, thanks | 14:53 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: I've not seen yet | 14:53 |
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| rpioso | TheJulia: Thank you! | 14:57 |
| TheJulia | huh? | 14:58 |
| TheJulia | #confused | 14:58 |
| rpioso | TheJulia: For answering my question about Zoom earlier. | 14:59 |
| rpioso | #delayed | 14:59 |
| iurygregory | Keynote time | 15:00 |
| TheJulia | I don't even remember :( | 15:00 |
| TheJulia | A solid sign I need PTO | 15:01 |
| rpioso | TheJulia: Are the sessions today being held over Zoom? | 15:01 |
| TheJulia | rpioso: forum are yes | 15:02 |
| iurygregory | forum are on zoom | 15:02 |
| TheJulia | you have to use a web browser that is permitting 3rd party cookies to view the stream | 15:02 |
| TheJulia | *grumbles loudly* | 15:02 |
| rpioso | iurygregory, TheJulia: Thanks, again. | 15:02 |
| rpioso | The Keynote has just started. I'm using the platform. | 15:03 |
| iurygregory | I'm using youtube XD | 15:03 |
| rpittau | youtube seems working better for me | 15:05 |
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| dtantsur | I had to open a private window to access the platform | 15:15 |
| rpittau | me too | 15:19 |
| iurygregory | for me it's fine O.o | 15:23 |
| iurygregory | firefox ++ | 15:23 |
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| iurygregory | 2hours and no update on gerrit ='( | 15:28 |
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| rpittau | gerrit took a sick day | 15:29 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2008264 wdyt? | 15:29 |
| dtantsur | others too ^^ | 15:29 |
| iurygregory | rpittau, yeah | 15:29 |
| iurygregory | dtantsur, sounds interesting =) | 15:30 |
| dtantsur | yeah, it's an easy win for using more cores | 15:30 |
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| TheJulia | +1 as long as it goes into the hash ring and is compatible with rabbitmq | 15:31 |
| TheJulia | and there is a clean migration | 15:31 |
| dtantsur | yes to all 3 (migration will be the same style as for conductor groups) | 15:31 |
| dtantsur | btw it's a relatively easy to implement task, so if someone wants it - be my guest | 15:33 |
| TheJulia | I'd still <3 to get locking out of the DB, but that is WAY more invasive | 15:33 |
| dtantsur | me too, and using processes or OS threads more effectively.. | 15:33 |
| iurygregory | I can give it a try (need to just get the idea of the workflow hehehe) | 15:34 |
| TheJulia | well, lock actions are yet another db row lock even if there was no change | 15:34 |
| dtantsur | iurygregory: if you check the initial conductor groups patch, you'll see how the migration and hash ring part was done | 15:34 |
| TheJulia | since last_updated also gets changed, so its not exactly great for db performance | 15:34 |
| rpittau | dtantsur: maybe I'm getting a bit ahead of myself, but that will probably require some advice in terms of resource requirements | 15:34 |
| iurygregory | dtantsur, ack | 15:35 |
| dtantsur | rpittau: sorry, not quite getting it | 15:35 |
| TheJulia | it is not required to have multiple conductors, just make it easier to fire up more | 15:35 |
| rpittau | resource consumption of having multiple conductors on the same machine | 15:35 |
| dtantsur | the use case: I have a lot of resources, I want my bifrost to consume them all | 15:35 |
| dtantsur | so I set ironic_conductor_count:<core count-1> | 15:36 |
| dtantsur | the default set up will still be 1 conductor | 15:36 |
| TheJulia | if ipmitool, maybe make that <core count/2> | 15:36 |
| TheJulia | sine your execing that and that alone takes a lot of overhead | 15:36 |
| rpittau | ok, I was going to propose a upper limit :) | 15:36 |
| dtantsur | an upper limit will be hard to implement since we have no control over how many instances are launched | 15:37 |
| dtantsur | to be clear, it's possible right now by messing with host names | 15:37 |
| TheJulia | and maybe not make it default??? | 15:37 |
| TheJulia | ++ but also not friendly to jsonrpc use | 15:37 |
| rpittau | oh yeah, an uppper limit based on cores, as you wrote, not a static one | 15:38 |
| dtantsur | same comment: an upper limit will be hard to implement since we have no control over how many instances are launched | 15:38 |
| * TheJulia suspects no gerrit today | 15:38 | |
| TheJulia | Maybe time for lots of coffee and to hack on crazyfeatures | 15:39 |
| dtantsur | okay, if *we* handle launching more conductors, we need a limit | 15:39 |
| dtantsur | but I'm proposing allowing an operator to launch them | 15:39 |
| TheJulia | ++ | 15:39 |
| rpittau | ok | 15:39 |
| dtantsur | which is much easier and plays well with eventlet and so on | 15:39 |
| rpittau | it makes sense | 15:39 |
| dtantsur | also thank you iurygregory for volunteering to look into it | 15:39 |
| iurygregory | np | 15:40 |
| ajya | iurygregory: gerrit page has update added couple minutes ago | 15:40 |
| iurygregory | it was 5 min after the 2hours XD | 15:40 |
| TheJulia | "smaller ironic standalone service footprint in victoria" *blink* *blink* | 15:40 |
| iurygregory | wait 2hrs add +2 hours | 15:40 |
| dtantsur | yeah, me too | 15:40 |
| * TheJulia is confused | 15:41 | |
| TheJulia | oh, our activity overall | 15:41 |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Auditing is progressing but not particularly quickly. We'll keep updating every 2 hours or so. | 15:41 | |
| *** ChanServ changes topic to "Auditing is progressing but not particularly quickly. We'll keep updating every 2 hours or so." | 15:41 | |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: our activity is very active! | 15:41 |
| TheJulia | extremely | 15:41 |
| TheJulia | And we can't do it alone! We do it together! | 15:42 |
| dtantsur | \o/ | 15:42 |
| dtantsur | another scalability idea. we support doing power sync in several green threads. we need the same for metrics collection. | 15:43 |
| dtantsur | metrics collection is the same pattern: periodic polling of potentially a lot of nodes. | 15:43 |
| TheJulia | the reason I always thought of locking as the way forward is so the workload could be spread across distinct processes, but that only really works with rabbitmq message bus | 15:44 |
| dtantsur | we can use any coordination solution as well | 15:45 |
| dtantsur | or just pick a suitable conductor at random | 15:45 |
| dtantsur | which is the same thing you're proposing? | 15:45 |
| TheJulia | basically yes | 15:45 |
| dtantsur | we already do it for driver passthru | 15:45 |
| * TheJulia twitches | 15:46 | |
| TheJulia | mvp to avoid doom, nice | 15:48 |
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| dtantsur | many MVPs could use it as an example | 15:49 |
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| TheJulia | can we update that to "avoid doom && avoid burnout" ? | 15:50 |
| dtantsur | "... for goat" | 15:50 |
| iurygregory | for goat hahaha | 15:50 |
| TheJulia | omg this is hilarious | 15:51 |
| iurygregory | yeah | 15:51 |
| dtantsur | absolutely :D | 15:51 |
| iurygregory | amazing part of the keynote | 15:51 |
| dtantsur | even better with a Russian accent | 15:51 |
| dtantsur | (eastern Slavic, you get it) | 15:52 |
| TheJulia | ++ | 15:52 |
| iurygregory | hahahaha omg | 15:52 |
| iurygregory | I loved the radio part | 15:52 |
| TheJulia | I want a private LTE network now.... | 15:53 |
| erbarr | yea, that sounds sick | 15:53 |
| * dtantsur thinks his slavic accent may not be scary enough for his job | 15:54 | |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: Eh, only scary when you switch from english | 15:54 |
| dtantsur | see, I need to work on it :) | 15:55 |
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| dtantsur | arne_wiebalck: do you remember why rootfs_uuid is not passed through instance_info when glance is not used? | 16:06 |
| arne_wiebalck | dtantsur: no ... I think we added this as glance metadata as we could not figure out how it would make it otherwise | 16:09 |
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| dtantsur | arne_wiebalck: I'm thinking standalone | 16:09 |
| arne_wiebalck | we == me :) | 16:09 |
| arne_wiebalck | dtantsur: is your question why we do not do this or why it does not work | 16:09 |
| dtantsur | arne_wiebalck: the former | 16:10 |
| arne_wiebalck | dtantsur: how would this be populated? | 16:10 |
| dtantsur | arne_wiebalck: by hand | 16:10 |
| arne_wiebalck | dtantsur: is that sth stand-alone users do in other situations, populate instance_info? | 16:11 |
| dtantsur | arne_wiebalck: yep | 16:11 |
| arne_wiebalck | dtantsur: does this need to be done for every instance? | 16:11 |
| dtantsur | arne_wiebalck: also yes | 16:12 |
| * arne_wiebalck learns a lot today :) | 16:12 | |
| arne_wiebalck | dtantsur: when is this done? | 16:12 |
| dtantsur | arne_wiebalck: you do it before calling the deployment API | 16:12 |
| dtantsur | you can check our standalone docs for details | 16:13 |
| arne_wiebalck | dtantsur: so, the answer to your question is then probably that nothing would populate this for the nova case | 16:14 |
| arne_wiebalck | dtantsur: this is all in the context of installing the boot loader I imagine? | 16:14 |
| dtantsur | arne_wiebalck: it's explicitly not a nova case. nova implies glance. | 16:16 |
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| dtantsur | TheJulia: do you have any new info re the repeated session? | 16:17 |
| TheJulia | looking | 16:18 |
| arne_wiebalck | dtantsur: I understand this. What I meant was that the rootfs_uuid is taken from glance since instance_info would not have it ... if this all re installing the bootloader for s/w RAID? | 16:18 |
| dtantsur | yes and yes | 16:19 |
| arne_wiebalck | dtantsur: Ok, this is why I did it with glance metadata and not through instance_info :) | 16:21 |
| * arne_wiebalck has the feeling to miss the point :) | 16:21 | |
| dtantsur | arne_wiebalck: because a nova user cannot access instance_info | 16:23 |
| * dtantsur has a patch but no gerrit | 16:24 | |
| arne_wiebalck | dtantsur: right ... and the user would not know which node to target anyway ... we could get it from glance, populate instance_info and then use it for both, nova and stand-alone ... if that helps? | 16:25 |
| dtantsur | ideally we should, but the current approach more or less works | 16:25 |
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| rpittau | good night! o/ | 16:38 |
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| TheJulia | dtantsur: no reply yet, I'll reply again | 16:47 |
| dtantsur | I see.. it's becoming a bit late, I'll have a quick snack | 16:52 |
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| TheJulia | ++ | 17:00 |
| TheJulia | I think once forum stuff is over today I'm going to have to take a nap | 17:00 |
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| dtantsur | fair enough | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: honestly, now Arne is busy, then it will be a bit too late for me | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | (my wife is starting her studies tomorrow, I'll have to wake up early from now on) | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | aah, Thursday | 17:15 |
| TheJulia | yeah, thursday sounds good | 17:17 |
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| arne_wiebalck | "talk" is done ... quite a disconnected experience | 17:48 |
| arne_wiebalck | bye everyone, see you tomorrow o/ | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | see you! | 17:51 |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gerrit is offline due to a security compromise. Please refer to https://review.opendev.org/maintenance.html or #opendev for the latest updates. | 18:01 | |
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| TheJulia | ugh | 18:08 |
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| ccstone | Hi! Was wondering if anyone had guidance on running two ironic-conductor services doing PXE deploys without Neutron. We have DHCP static-set with two TFTP servers (both with Ironic running) but since only one conductor will build out the files in tftpboot, it's a 50/50 shot that we boot off the TFTP server that the conductor set up. If this sort of | 19:06 |
| ccstone | setup is even possible. :D | 19:06 |
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| TheJulia | ccstone: o/ sorry on a call at a moment, will be a few minutes | 19:16 |
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| JayF | TheJulia: please let me know if we have a written process we're going to follow to validate commits, as suggested will be needed in the maintenance.html, and I can help execute on it when the time comes | 19:32 |
| ccstone | o/ thanks @TheJulia! Had thought of a couple of ways to maybe work around, like specifying the deploy kernel/ramdisk directly in our (not Ironic-controlled) DHCP server, but that's got the risk of PXE booting any time there's a reboot, rather than just during a deploy. Would be ideal to get it working all through Ironic though. | 19:33 |
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| TheJulia | tzumainn: larsks: you guys going to join us for the ptg? | 20:18 |
| larsks | TheJulia: I suspect so! If I'm reading the schedule correctlys, that's noon us/eastern on m,t,w, right? | 20:22 |
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| TheJulia | Yes, but I'm seeing if we can add another scheduled window | 20:40 |
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| DjeufackZane | Hello, Please I would like to contibute in openstack-ironic project for Outreachy. Please I wish to know how to proced and start. | 22:47 |
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| TheJulia | ccstone: o/ That is not really a possible setup, I know some people have done similar using a shared cluster filesystem between all of the conductors | 23:01 |
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| TheJulia | ccstone: so basiaclly they all have access to the same file space and can create the files | 23:01 |
| TheJulia | DjeufackZane: o/ Greetings! Welcome! So, first stop would normally be the contributor guide to take a look at things, but apparently our Gerrit instance was compromised and is presently offline while the secrutiy investigation takes place. We don't know how long that will be unfortunately. I'd hope it will be back online in the next few days. | 23:03 |
| TheJulia | JayF: ++ I'm been thinking of that in all of the background cycles and I'm thinking it is going to need to be a marriage of git logs + plus gerrit data, I'm just worried that we're kind of stuck until we at least have a read-only instance of gerrit available to look at | 23:04 |
| DjeufackZane | Alright Thank you <TheJulia> | 23:05 |
| janders | good morning Ironic o/ | 23:07 |
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