Thursday, 2026-10-01

cardoedtantsur: what's Tuomo's full name?00:02
cardoeI've updated the slides btw if anyone wants to look.00:04
opendevreviewJacob Anders proposed openstack/ironic master: Add Dell LC job status helper for multiple JIDs  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic/+/100565602:10
opendevreviewJacob Anders proposed openstack/ironic master: Add Redfish BootProgress gate helper  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic/+/100565702:10
opendevreviewJacob Anders proposed openstack/ironic master: Verify firmware application after reboot before resuming  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic/+/100565802:10
opendevreviewJacob Anders proposed openstack/ironic master: Validate BMC stability only after BMC firmware updates  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic/+/100565902:10
opendevreviewMerged openstack/ironic master: Declare Python 3.14 support  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic/+/100789405:05
rpittaumorning folks! please review and merge fixes for bifrost CI when you got a moment https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/bifrost/+/1008072 and https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/bifrost/+/1007253 thanks! :)07:29
iurygregorygood morning ironic10:46
iurygregoryrpittau, done =)10:46
dtantsurTheJulia, stevebaker[m], hey, if you have a spare minute: https://github.com/orgs/metal3-io/discussions/369510:54
dtantsurAlso folks, do we see any downsides in doing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic-python-agent-builder/+bug/2161947/comments/4?11:48
dtantsurI'm not sure if anyone has ever tested DHCPv6 with upstream images (our downstream ones are quite special), but it seems nice to have11:49
opendevreviewHonza Pokorny proposed openstack/virtualbmc master: Add support for serial over LAN  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/virtualbmc/+/100825912:15
opendevreviewMerged openstack/ironic master: Extend slash notation support to plugin-data paths  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic/+/100810912:50
cardoeJayF: do you have a calendar invite from Allison? Or a link?13:17
JayFDm13:22
TheJulia... serial over lan with virtualbmc... WUT13:47
JayFit would be CI for IPMI console13:47
JayFwhich would've prevent us errata'ing an OSSA earlier13:47
JayFnot the worst thing13:47
TheJuliaI mean, kind of... just seems weird to invest in ipmi at this point13:51
JayFI'm reasonably resigned to the idea that ipmi isn't going anywhere13:51
JayFat a minimum we have a big contingent of folks who use older gear13:51
JayFand I'd bet $100 there's hardware on sale today that has IPMI management but not redfish13:52
JayFeven if that's painful to acknowledge13:52
JayFhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37p9C0n0LLw going live in ~8 minutes btw13:52
TheJuliatrue14:03
TheJuliadtantsur: commented on the etherpad and the metal3 discussion. I think there is a disconnect between use side and security mental modeling are different.14:05
TheJuliadtantsur: I mean, we run dhcpv6 in our CI, but maybe the issue is our exsiting job runs too quickly.14:10
TheJuliaI guess I need moar coffee14:10
opendevreviewNicolas Dreno proposed openstack/ironic master: Verify firmware checksums in the Redfish firmware interface  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic/+/100828114:32
opendevreviewNicolas Dreno proposed openstack/ironic master: Add checksum to Redfish firmware interface update  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic/+/100828114:32
TheJuliaintruiging14:40
dtantsurTheJulia: thank you! Yeah, not sure about DHCPv614:52
TheJuliadtantsur: I think the base issue is v6 is continiously treated as a red headed step child14:54
dtantsurheh14:54
TheJuliaso.. depending on use pattern, client, whatever, it is the thing to break anytime anyone promotes "new" networking14:54
dtantsurwe have ironic-tempest-ovn-uefi-ipxe-ipv6 in the CI, interesting14:55
TheJuliayeah, its doing dhcpv614:56
TheJuliayou can see it in the console output14:56
TheJuliabut change any variable....14:56
dtantsurAt least it means that it's not completely broken with Glean and current IPA. Hmm.15:00
TheJuliayeah, I guess more details are really needed15:00
TheJuliasomething feels off about it, but I just can't place it at the moment15:00
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opendevreviewJulia Kreger proposed openstack/ironic master: Reject Glance encrypted images during validation  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic/+/100831417:07
TheJulia^^^ I had someone ask about encrypted glance images and it dawned on me we really wouldn't know they are encrypted until the tail end of deployment. So I think that is a backportable error generation to short circuit resource waste17:08
TheJuliaI've also noted the topic on the ptg etherpad17:08
TheJuliakubajj: w/r/t your ptg topic around line 365 (at least, 365 on the ehterpad, if you could elaborate on the why a little bit more, I think that would help discussion17:46
kubajjTheJulia: will do 🫡17:47
TheJuliacardoe: around line 358, your ux/vendor related topic, if you could enumerate more use cases or user stories, that would be helpful. I'm framing it as a sanity check discusison, but if you think there is more depth to go into there let me know soon17:49
cardoeabsolutely.18:07
TheJuliacid: around line 314, you've got the types sub-topic, or is that a whole distinct topic?18:09
cidTheJulia, same types. 18:10
cidIt's possible it's a duplicate :)18:11
TheJuliaI guess what I'm trying to get at is the list before is mostly jay bringing up non-completed spec items our outstanding items which haven't really gone anywhere18:11
TheJuliaso, I'm hoping to frame that in a fairly tight block of time, but your topic there seems to be bigger18:11
cidMakes sense. 18:13
cidI guess type hinting is both hanging (because it's been attempt a fair amount of time) but also half-complete in a way18:13
cidWhere is a natural place to include it18:13
TheJuliacardoe: dtantsur: regarding the topic at line 272, better enrollment and all. I *feel* like we could rabbit hole on it and it feels more like a high level paint the broad picture theme to map to an overall theme, but maybe not with solid clarity upfront. I'm thinking 30m at most, lmk what y'all think18:14
cardoeyeah. I don't wanna squirrel too hard on it.18:14
cardoeI'd like a blend of what me and dtantsur are doing.18:15
TheJuliadunno where may be best, I'm just worried about trying to solution heavily when maybe the key stopping point is "what is the broad consensus"18:15
cardoeI'd like targeted steps to specific operations like account management makes sense18:15
TheJuliasort of like the topic I just pinged cardoe and dmitry about18:15
cardoeBut I'd like the generic toggles for the other stuff.18:15
TheJuliacardoe: that high level thought into the topic would be good18:15
cidTheJulia, I just broke it out into a separate topic. Line 31818:17
TheJuliacid: thanks18:17
TheJuliacid: do you think we could reach the needful consensus in 10-15m?18:18
cidPlausible. 18:19
cidIt's one of those things people will likely already have broad ideas how best to go about it. So 15 minutes should work18:20
TheJuliaok, I'll set it for 10 so we don't try to consume 20 minutes :)18:23
TheJuliaJayF: regarding your nova performance phase 2 topic, how long do you think that would really take to get into?18:23
TheJuliamaybe its like a 15m quick hit topic ?18:28
TheJuliaregarding line 200, pluggable http/tftp, cardoe, JayF, dtantsur: I've put 30m down, thinking as an end of day session. LMK if you feel if that is not enough time.18:30
JayFTheJulia: totally a quick hit, status update + next steps18:31
JayFTheJulia: 15 is probably even more than I'd need18:31
TheJuliak, I'll set it as such18:31
JayFFor pluggable http/tftp, cardoe and I should probably put a strong opinion on dtantsur 's 18:44
JayFProposal. If we agree with it, that'll need less time than we have scheduled as well.18:44
cardoeWhere was his proposal?18:45
TheJuliaw/r/t "how do we want to handle device cleaning?", I've set it for 30m since its more a bigger picture question and depends on how much we zoom out or zoom in18:46
TheJuliahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/216615718:47
JayFYeah, I actually could envision that one being quite contentious, as I suspect differing use cases may have requirements that might even be directly opposed18:51
cardoeSome malware researcher is gonna show up and say "I want my boxes as dirty as you can make them"18:56
TheJuliadxterslab: cardoe: w/r/t console stuffs on https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/ironic-ptg-2027.1 I put a comment in you both might find interesting... suggest you go look at the changes I got into dmtf redfish 2026.2, but its going to be a little while before vendors actually support that19:02
opendevreviewAllain Legacy proposed openstack/ironic master: Add MTU support to ironic-networking  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic/+/100666219:03
opendevreviewAllain Legacy proposed openstack/ironic master: Add MTU support to ironic-networking  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic/+/100666219:47
cardoeTheJulia: so the day got away from me... but maybe tomorrow I'd be happy to help shape the schedule with ya?20:13
TheJuliacardoe: sure sure20:16
TheJuliaI'm going to try and put swag time estimates on everything here before I call it a day and go from there. 20:16
JayFIf you want some help, just toss a video chat link in here and I'll jump in20:20
TheJuliaI'm almost done actually but if you want to jump on a call and sanity check, we can20:21
JayFif it's done it's probably fine? I can just review 20:22
TheJuliacid: clif: JayF: On the topic of Architecture Walkthrough, that sort of aligns with line 245, although 245 is more about documenting. Do we want to present something during the ptg? Do we want to soehow do context sharing, and if so, who wants to drive?20:22
JayFI would suggest we do them mildly combined20:23
JayFtalk about architecture in pieces20:23
JayFthen talk about use cases20:23
JayFbuilding the house bottom up20:23
TheJuliaI think that makes sense, and sort of what I was thinking, let one feed the other, and we can extend out that offer or desire to engage to the ops folks as well20:23
JayFI would be willing to chat about Ironic<>IPA comms and ramdisk stuff in general, maybe Ironic/Nova interactions as well20:24
JayF(if we want nova/ironic that scoped in)20:24
TheJuliaI'd almost encourage "we use our docs, and if you can't find a diagram, well, a note taker needs to identify that we have an opportunity to improve docs or diagrams20:25
JayFI suggest that as a gentle nudge, but if we make it more than that we'll be unlikely to cover any meaningful distance20:26
JayFupdating docs is good; but part of why I think this is good for PTG is to do something higher bandwidth20:26
TheJuliaoh, I think you were thinking point to docs, I was more thinking diagrams in docs to help illustrate20:27
TheJuliaHigh bandwidth talk through20:27
TheJuliahopefully, if materials are needed, its in our docs, if not, well, there is an opportunity there20:27
JayFmy main thought  is perfect is the enemy of good :)20:27
TheJuliaexactly20:27
JayFthat's all I'm worried about20:27
TheJulia++20:27
TheJuliaagree compeltely20:27
TheJuliaI would just hope we identify those "opprtunities for improvement"20:28
TheJuliaSo, is an hour enough time for this multi-faceted discussion of.... doom?20:28
JayFthis is more a "set a timebox" situation than "how much time do we need"20:28
TheJuliathen 1 hour?20:29
JayFI would suggest going more towards 2 hours, but maybe separate sessions20:29
JayFlike 2 1 hour sessions20:29
TheJuliaMaybe with a hope of pivoting the latter half to a slightly different related focus?20:29
JayFmaybe in the middle of the day to give us a repreieve from making decisinos and arguing lol20:29
TheJuliaNot a bad idea20:29
cid+++20:35
cidI don't mind when or what day it happens20:36
TheJuliaOkay, everything has a time swag estimate. I think I'm going to make an ad-hoc schedule building call, and we can go from there.20:51
cardoeoh I wish I knew you were continuing today21:12
cardoeI would have joined in today and done this stuff tomorrow21:12
cardoebtw TheJulia I updated your change.. https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/neutron/+/98573221:13
cardoeThat might be something I'm running as of this morning for reasons21:13
* cardoe throws a VMT widget at JayF.21:15
JayF>?21:15
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TheJuliaI'm soo very confused21:22
TheJuliaoh, might be running, cool21:22
* TheJulia is worried and concerned about widgets being tossed about21:23
* TheJulia suddenly wonders if it is somehow packets or pods of crystal light which ruptured mid-air, but mainly because I think the wife just made something similar into a drink and so she may be loosing her mind.21:25
JayFyou gotta be careful with those powders22:07
JayFthey get in the air, you huff it accidentally, you'll be coughing for days22:07
JayFand it'll be even more stressful since it's all dark-raspberry-crystal-light colored22:08

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