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| openstackgerrit | Ankita Wagh proposed openstack/keystonemiddleware: Handling endpoints with missing URL types https://review.openstack.org/179624 | 04:40 |
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| morganfainberg | first pass at summit sessions: https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/type/design+summit/Keystone | 05:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/keystone: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/179331 | 06:06 |
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| morganfainberg | lifeless: so the heat multi-package convo, am I reading that right that they have plugins and want them released separate from heat but are in-tree? | 22:49 |
| morganfainberg | lifeless: if that is the case, and we solve that type of issue with pbr, I'd use it as well for our (keystone's) drivers instead of punting the drivers out of tree. | 22:49 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: so I'm having an oob conversation with mordred about the history on that | 22:50 |
| morganfainberg | lifeless: for the main supported ones that is. I also admit I might be misreading that thread. | 22:50 |
| lifeless | but that is part of it | 22:50 |
| morganfainberg | lifeless: yeah. I'd love to not need neutron-number of repos for our backends, but would love to split the drivers to their own packaging. | 22:50 |
| morganfainberg | lifeless: let me know if I can help any in this conversation. | 22:51 |
| mordred | morganfainberg: I I VERY much want you not to do what heat are doing | 22:51 |
| mordred | morganfainberg: I'm doing my best to let lifeless handle 99% of this | 22:51 |
| mordred | morganfainberg: but I feel strongly enough about it that I need to let someone else handle it because I'll be rude otherwise | 22:52 |
| morganfainberg | mordred: sure. I'll bug you on this at the summit or on the train | 22:52 |
| mordred | morganfainberg: bug me on the train | 22:52 |
| mordred | morganfainberg: I think it'll be a better venue - since if I express myself poorly, we can roll it back easier | 22:52 |
| mordred | morganfainberg: and between talking to you and talking to lifeless, by the time we get to the summit, I may be able to be constructive | 22:53 |
| morganfainberg | mordred: sure. And here is the deal: my plan was to pitch punting out the drivers into their own repos anyway. If I don't have to track stupid numbers of repos, I'm happier. But that idea only came about because of that ML topic. So I was interested in exploring it. | 22:54 |
| morganfainberg | And the train should be a great venue for that type of convo :) | 22:54 |
| mordred | morganfainberg: :) | 22:55 |
| morganfainberg | lifeless: unrelated - submitted another proposed talk for pyconau and working on the abstract for LCA. | 22:56 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: cool | 22:56 |
| morganfainberg | lifeless: both pycon ones are clearly more aimed at miniconf vs main conference. | 22:56 |
| mordred | lifeless: I have the CFP open in my browser | 23:00 |
| mordred | lifeless: but I've bought my plane tickets already :) | 23:01 |
| lifeless | cool cool | 23:01 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: ok so - short answer - N pypi artifacts from one tree requires care and nontrivial development. | 23:16 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: if its important to you, happy to setup a mini-working group to work on it, but its not actually what heat desire: publishing these things is not a goal for heat. | 23:17 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: they have some code thats in-tree that needs to be optionally made available | 23:17 |
| morganfainberg | Ah. | 23:17 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: (made available == made present and imported etc) | 23:17 |
| morganfainberg | Yeah I'd want it to be published. I'm happy to stick with the simple route and pitch that first. | 23:17 |
| morganfainberg | But we have some work before we are there. Notably having stable driver interfaces. | 23:18 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: I'd personally be quite interested in doing N pypi artifacts from one tree, as it would let us merge nova and neutron and cinder back together | 23:18 |
| morganfainberg | Simple = multiple repos | 23:18 |
| lifeless | and undo this crazy conways-law madness we ahve | 23:18 |
| morganfainberg | lifeless: let's talk about this possibility train, summit, over whiskey, ;) | 23:19 |
| lifeless | but I realise that that is not a universally held opinion :) | 23:19 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: I'm not on the train (didn't know about it prior to booking) | 23:19 |
| morganfainberg | But worst case-- we stick with the known easy route. | 23:19 |
| lifeless | yup | 23:19 |
| morganfainberg | Well I'll be bugging mordred on the train but will also look for you at the summit for this. | 23:19 |
| lifeless | cool | 23:19 |
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| lifeless | I'm certainly not interested in doing n-things-one-repo without multiple places where its clearly a big win within openstack, since its going to be high risk (lots of chances of OHFUCKWEDIDN'TTHINKOFTHAT moments) | 23:20 |
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| lifeless | and right now, the other projects that are metastisising are doing so to deliberately partition reviewers | 23:21 |
| lifeless | so they wouldn't want to be in one tree anyhow | 23:21 |
| * bigjools waves to lifeless | 23:21 | |
| lifeless | hi bigjools | 23:21 |
| mordred | yah - the general flow, for better or worse, is for greater repo proliferation | 23:21 |
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| morganfainberg | I'm less interested in partitioning reviewers, I am more interested in clear dependency requirements, allowing more focus on specific aspects of code with known constraints, and clear scope of the code. | 23:22 |
| morganfainberg | In about that order of importance | 23:22 |
| lifeless | the first one extra_requirements should allow today with no changes at all | 23:23 |
| lifeless | [no changes in keystone that is] | 23:23 |
| lifeless | the other two I'd need some exposition on to get, though I can guess at it | 23:23 |
| morganfainberg | The issue is ldap libs, saml libs. How do I clearly tell someone for this driver and only this driver I need ldap. | 23:23 |
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| morganfainberg | Rather than "well in some cases I need ldap" | 23:23 |
| lifeless | extra_requires={'ldap': ['pyldap']} | 23:24 |
| lifeless | pip install keystone[ldap] | 23:24 |
| morganfainberg | Hmm. Maybe. I'll need to see how that translates. But that does t translate well for packaging outside of pypi | 23:25 |
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| morganfainberg | Coming from an operator background. Pip/pypi is the worst representation of packaging for consistent deployments. -- personal view of course. | 23:26 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: does or doesn't ? | 23:26 |
| morganfainberg | Doesn't* | 23:26 |
| morganfainberg | because you are either creating virtual packages or other weird things | 23:26 |
| * morganfainberg actually likes rpms. | 23:27 | |
| lifeless | well | 23:27 |
| lifeless | you'd just split out the driver modules in the binary package | 23:27 |
| lifeless | as long as they have namespace prefixes (package or module doesn't matter), its straight forward in both debian and redhat package managers | 23:27 |
| morganfainberg | Anyway. Like I said we have a ways to go before we get there. | 23:28 |
| morganfainberg | Today they have namespace issues. | 23:28 |
| morganfainberg | But in Liberty we move to stevedore so it gets better. | 23:28 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: uhm | 23:29 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: stevedore requires pkg_resources registration right? | 23:29 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: or... its just entry points and keystone can have as many as it wants? | 23:29 |
| morganfainberg | It's just entry points. | 23:30 |
| morganfainberg | Afaik | 23:30 |
| lifeless | k | 23:30 |
| morganfainberg | Or at least that is our goal | 23:31 |
| morganfainberg | We want to support drivers from out-of-tree if someone wants to do it (eg hp mongo driver if we make it open source) | 23:31 |
| lifeless | cool | 23:32 |
| lifeless | ok time for me to nose down and do some cody cody work | 23:32 |
| morganfainberg | Cheers. | 23:32 |
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| jamielennox | morganfainberg: is the first request to a federated url always a GET? | 23:50 |
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