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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/keystone: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/179331 | 06:08 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: is your email to me a proofread of something ? Because it looks like it is missing some context | 06:26 |
| morganfainberg | Or was meant for a wider audience. I mean, yes... It accurately sums things up. | 06:27 |
| morganfainberg | And reinforces the direction we've been on for a while. | 06:27 |
| morganfainberg | But... Is there meant to be more? Or?? | 06:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/keystoneauth: Remove pbr as runtime depend https://review.openstack.org/183352 | 06:37 |
| openstackgerrit | liusheng proposed openstack/keystone: Remove the deprecated compute_port option https://review.openstack.org/183405 | 06:38 |
| openstackgerrit | liusheng proposed openstack/keystone-specs: Fix the klwt link https://review.openstack.org/182922 | 06:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/oslo.policy: Expose base check classes as part of public API https://review.openstack.org/176683 | 08:21 |
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| dstanek | we are still not manually updating the sample config right? | 13:43 |
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| breton | I do not remember reverting this decision | 13:46 |
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| bknudson | dstanek: what do you mean? | 14:12 |
| bknudson | I like to have an up to date sample config file since I refer to it all the time. | 14:13 |
| dstanek | bknudson: are we still enforcing http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/055815.html | 14:13 |
| bknudson | the only thing we decided on was that we weren't going to mix sample config file updates in with code changes. | 14:13 |
| bknudson | "Please do not update the sample configuration in your main patch chain." | 14:14 |
| bknudson | I'd prefer it if we updated the sample config along with the patch, but whatever. | 14:15 |
| bknudson | I think there was one huge patch (that should have been split up instead) where it kept conflicting on the sample config file. | 14:15 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: that is my understanding as well | 14:17 |
| breton | yep | 14:17 |
| dstanek | someone is working on automating the job for this right? | 14:18 |
| breton | I have not heard of it | 14:18 |
| bknudson | it would be neat to have the proposal bot do it. | 14:18 |
| bknudson | other projects don't have a sample config file | 14:18 |
| breton | it was decided that some of core reviewers will do it from time to time | 14:18 |
| bknudson | if you want to look at the sample config you have to gen it yourself with tox -e genconfig | 14:19 |
| bknudson | but there have been complaints about that, too. | 14:19 |
| dstanek | hmm..i thought i heard someone saying that they were working on getting a bot to commit the sample config - maybe it was wishful thinking | 14:20 |
| bknudson | maybe we could get our tox -e docs to generate the sample config and put it in the developer docs. | 14:20 |
| breton | where is the code for the bot? | 14:22 |
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| dstanek | breton: the proposal bot? | 14:38 |
| dstanek | bknudson: that's actually a pretty good idea. i don't see any reason whey is has to be in the code anyway | 14:38 |
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| bknudson | I like it because it's easy to find: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/etc/keystone.conf.sample | 14:39 |
| bknudson | and you can even see it for older releases: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/etc/keystone.conf.sample?h=stable%2Fkilo | 14:39 |
| stevemar | bknudson, i had code for the proposal bot to propose a new config | 14:40 |
| bknudson | although I could just put them in a directory myself. | 14:40 |
| stevemar | nah, i like keeping it in the tree | 14:40 |
| stevemar | for the same reason, easy to find | 14:40 |
| stevemar | breton, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177620/ | 14:40 |
| bknudson | most projects use genconfig, so we should probably switch | 14:42 |
| openstackgerrit | ayoung proposed openstack/oslo.policy: CLI Policy Check tool https://review.openstack.org/170978 | 14:44 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson: ++. That makes sense. | 15:04 |
| morganfainberg | It's a trivial change and gets us in line with the bulk of services. | 15:05 |
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| bknudson | give me a minute | 15:08 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: should I just rename it? | 15:09 |
| bknudson | maybe it's not worth keeping sample_config for backwards compat | 15:09 |
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| morganfainberg | Not worth keeping compat here. Just document the new way | 15:09 |
| morganfainberg | If someone complains "really?! It's like complaining we changed our test name" | 15:10 |
| bknudson | the sample_config docs are a little out of date in other ways. | 15:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Brant Knudson proposed openstack/keystone: Rename sample_config to genconfig https://review.openstack.org/183564 | 15:14 |
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| bknudson | morganfainberg^ stevemar^ breton^ | 15:15 |
| bknudson | dstanek^ | 15:15 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: +2 | 15:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Brant Knudson proposed openstack/keystone: Rename sample_config to genconfig https://review.openstack.org/183564 | 15:16 |
| stevemar | +A'ed | 15:16 |
| bknudson | I forgot to update the envlist | 15:17 |
| stevemar | dammit brant! | 15:17 |
| bknudson | not sure what the envlist is used for | 15:17 |
| morganfainberg | Ah dog | 15:17 |
| morganfainberg | Doh* | 15:17 |
| bknudson | I was testing you guys. | 15:17 |
| stevemar | bknudson, its used for when you just issue `tox` | 15:17 |
| stevemar | it runs all the envs under envlist | 15:17 |
| morganfainberg | What stevemar said | 15:17 |
| bknudson | we probably don't need genconfig in envlist then | 15:18 |
| stevemar | meh | 15:18 |
| stevemar | doesn't hurt | 15:18 |
| bknudson | I'll leave that for someone else | 15:18 |
| bknudson | the low-hangiest of fruit | 15:18 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: haha | 15:19 |
| stevemar | leave it for a noobie | 15:20 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: stevemar: by the way. Keystoneauth had some good discussions in the -SDK channel. We are going. To get reallllllllllly picky about compat on it once we hit 1.x | 15:20 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: better make it right to begin with thne | 15:21 |
| bknudson | then | 15:21 |
| morganfainberg | Like, interfaces cannot change at all. Or dependencies (meaning Oslo stuff has to be dropped). If we do a 2.x it has to install side-by-side | 15:21 |
| morganfainberg | This is because SDK is going to use it as well. | 15:21 |
| stevemar | we need to think about the federation cases too then :( | 15:22 |
| morganfainberg | I'm going to spin up a new core group for it. Keystone core will inherit, but we're going to add folks like dtroyer as well. | 15:22 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar: yes. And some of that has to be via plugins. | 15:22 |
| stevemar | no not dtroyer! never | 15:22 |
| bknudson | stevemar: that's what I was thinking. | 15:22 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar: so we can isolate the base workload from the others. | 15:23 |
| bknudson | people like dtroyer, like they have a beard? | 15:23 |
| morganfainberg | Just giving you a heads up that we need to think hard about it. A v2.x is fine. But let's make sure we really get what we want. | 15:23 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: you have a goatee right? Close enough to be "part of that group" #evilbrant | 15:24 |
| bknudson | I'm trying something new now. | 15:24 |
| morganfainberg | Should we be scared! | 15:25 |
| morganfainberg | ? | 15:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/keystone: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/179331 | 15:25 |
| bknudson | not yet. It hasn't grown in. | 15:25 |
| bknudson | awkward stage. | 15:25 |
| stevemar | one day i'll grow a real beard | 15:26 |
| stevemar | one day | 15:26 |
| bknudson | stevemar: you could pull off a mustache. | 15:26 |
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| dtroyer | awwww, and I just shaved… | 15:32 |
| dtroyer | well, trimmed | 15:33 |
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| ayoung | dtroyer, here on the Keystone team we have full support for facial hair | 15:37 |
| dstanek | ayoung, dtroyer: ++ | 15:40 |
| dtroyer | youse guys are a very inclusive sub-community | 15:41 |
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| morganfainberg | dtroyer: the real secret is we're trying to get dstanek to do a slow-motion beard release video. (Running joke based upon him tucking his beard into his shirt at some dinner) | 15:50 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek: you are so not living that down. | 15:51 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: beard is too short now :-( | 15:51 |
| dstanek | stevemar: growing a beard is pretty easy. just stop shaving. | 15:52 |
| stevemar | dstanek, noo! your source of power | 15:53 |
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| sigmavirus24 | dstanek: has seemed a lot spryer lately | 15:59 |
| sigmavirus24 | But less sage in his advice | 15:59 |
| sigmavirus24 | This explains lots | 15:59 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, this is a potential overflow room at BU. Looking for a link to the actual conference room, which should handle about 30 people. http://www.bu.edu/classrooms/classroom/prb-148/ | 16:26 |
| ayoung | Its in the Physics building, 3 Cummington | 16:26 |
| morganfainberg | Cool | 16:26 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, It might actually be a better main room for the meetup than the conf room. | 16:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | David Stanek proposed openstack/keystone: Order routes so most frequent requests are first https://review.openstack.org/182781 | 20:02 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: with the changes to use stevedore the driver can't be the class name anymore right? just the short token (sql)? | 20:33 |
| bknudson | dstanek: the driver can still be the class name | 20:34 |
| bknudson | keystone code falls back to import if the stevedore call fails | 20:34 |
| bknudson | dstanek: if it didn't work that way then tempest would be failing all over the place | 20:35 |
| bknudson | dstanek: devstack isn't using short names yet: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181937/ | 20:35 |
| dstanek | bknudson: ah, i see now i didn't see that the _load_using_import was defined in load_driver | 20:35 |
| dstanek | i really wanted to get rid the the assignment default driver crap | 20:36 |
| dstanek | it we only supported short names it would be easy | 20:36 |
| bknudson | dstanek: has that been deprecated? | 20:36 |
| bknudson | seems like by now we should be able to get rid of the default driver | 20:36 |
| dstanek | bknudson: it isn't. i want to make a change to just use the same short name if not defined. using supporting classes makes that a no go | 20:37 |
| dstanek | i'll deprecate that in this patch stream | 20:37 |
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| bknudson | loading by import for the drivers is deprecated now. we should be able to get rid of that next release. | 20:38 |
| bknudson | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/assignment/backends/sql.py#n53 | 20:38 |
| bknudson | I changed those to use the stevedore entrypoints. | 20:38 |
| bknudson | it's worse now we have both a default role and default resource driver | 20:39 |
| bknudson | who knows how many more default drivers we'll ahve | 20:39 |
| bknudson | also, this could be implemented differently | 20:39 |
| bknudson | it doesn't have to be a call to the driver to get this | 20:39 |
| bknudson | we could have an external map that handles it. | 20:40 |
| bknudson | e.g., if instanceof(assignment_driver, sql.Assignment): default_role_driver = 'sql' | 20:40 |
| bknudson | rather than default_role_driver = assignment_driver.default_role_driver | 20:41 |
| dstanek | bknudson: that still not great because it means that managers would have to import other managers :-( | 20:45 |
| bknudson | just load_backends would need that | 20:45 |
| bknudson | but load_backends would have to import everything | 20:46 |
| bknudson | we couldn't do that the way it is... | 20:46 |
| bknudson | might be able to use some string matching instead. | 20:46 |
| bknudson | if 'sql' in assignment_driver.__name__ | 20:47 |
| dstanek | bknudson: load_backends is an interesting idea - trying that out now | 20:47 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, bknudson: I think i have to skip your talk on Monday :( | 20:54 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: I assume they're all recorded | 20:54 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: doesn't mean it wouldn't be fun to be the peanut gallery :) | 20:55 |
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| * morganfainberg has meeting with executive types at noon that day | 20:55 | |
| bknudson | aren't they all going to be at our presentation? | 20:55 |
| morganfainberg | hehe. apparently not all | 20:55 |
| bknudson | keep them busy since I'd be nervous if executive types were there (besides topolino) | 20:56 |
| morganfainberg | chmouel: I'm definitly bringing cycling shoes. Think i found a place that'll rent nice (enough) road bikes for a real ride. | 20:56 |
| morganfainberg | chmouel: not CF or crazy, but at least a CF fork., they open around 10am on sunday. | 20:57 |
| morganfainberg | chmouel: but i'll be in silly late saturday. so who knows. | 20:57 |
| bknudson | you can ride to wreck beach | 20:57 |
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| dstanek | morganfainberg: fight the power | 20:58 |
| morganfainberg | woot | 20:59 |
| morganfainberg | upgrade to 1st class for this flight | 20:59 |
| morganfainberg | yaaaaay | 20:59 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, dstanek: fyi https://review.openstack.org/183705 | 21:08 |
| morganfainberg | had a chat with dtroyer, we're going to include some -SDK and other folks to core on ksa | 21:09 |
| morganfainberg | so we can make sure we aren't running into the client/server/stable branch ickyness | 21:09 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox|away, ^ cc as well | 21:09 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: sounds like a good idea | 21:10 |
| bknudson | are they going to add us to SDK core? | 21:10 |
| dstanek | bknudson: it looks like load_backends is working! if the tests pass i'll push this up after dinner.thanks for the idea | 21:11 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: i'm sure if you want to go and work on SDK at that level they'd be happy to have you as -SDK core :) | 21:11 |
| bknudson | I'm not sure why keystone core needs to be core on keystoneauth | 21:11 |
| bknudson | just hand it over to sdk | 21:11 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: maybe eventually. i'd rather make sure we have ksa and keystone server /middleware in line before we do that | 21:12 |
| morganfainberg | and we're the place with that expertise | 21:12 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: but long term, maybe that is the right place for it to land | 21:13 |
| bknudson | shouldn't require a whole lot of expertise to look at /v3/auth/tokens in the identity API spec. | 21:14 |
| bknudson | I should get more involved in sdk... probably more worthwhile doing anything there rather than in keystoneclient | 21:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/keystone: Remove XML middleware stub https://review.openstack.org/183707 | 21:15 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson: it shouldn't but lets be fair, dumping it on them w/o it being on par/what we have envisoned for how auth plugins etc work may mean it doesn't go anywhere | 21:16 |
| bknudson | we just finally got auth_token middleware using keystoneclient now we should switch to sdk | 21:16 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: a lot of that work for middleware to ksc isn't lost moving to KSA | 21:16 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson: in fact it makes moves like this easier :) | 21:17 |
| bknudson | y, that should be easy. | 21:17 |
| morganfainberg | however middleware is a bit special... it has to play nice with server requirements | 21:17 |
| bknudson | jamielennox|away might have the patches up already | 21:17 |
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| morganfainberg | which makes consuming SDK a bit weird. | 21:17 |
| morganfainberg | so middleware may still be isolated from SDK itself, but use say KSA [rather than ksc, since we moved the important stuff out of ksc] | 21:18 |
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| bknudson | I'm ready to deprecate ksc. | 21:20 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: i'm wondering if we can make 2.0 not have a cli anymore | 21:21 |
| breton | what is keystoneauth? | 21:21 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: seriously wondering | 21:21 |
| bknudson | tough when there's no docs. | 21:22 |
| morganfainberg | breton: the session object, auth plugins, discovery, service catalog parser, and adapter | 21:22 |
| morganfainberg | breton: it's the tools needed to auth against keystone that any client/sdk/etc should be able to consume w/o needing all of keystoneclient | 21:22 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: I assume we will still support whatever the last 1.0 release is as stable ? | 21:22 |
| breton | nice. Is there a spec? | 21:22 |
| bknudson | 1.x | 21:22 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: that would be my guess. | 21:23 |
| bknudson | if that's the case then they can get their cli from there if they really need it | 21:23 |
| bknudson | we'd also have to make sure it's not used in gate. | 21:23 |
| morganfainberg | breton: no spec yet. we're creating the lib separate will spin up a spec to convert to using it once it's ready | 21:23 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: i think devstack only uses OSC atm | 21:23 |
| breton | https://github.com/openstack/keystoneauth this one? | 21:24 |
| bknudson | I should have pointed to http://docs.openstack.org/developer/language-bindings.html for the expected location for the docs | 21:24 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: but yeah there are $concerns$ on removing ksc's cli | 21:24 |
| morganfainberg | breton: correct | 21:24 |
| breton | there were commits 3 years ago, wow | 21:24 |
| morganfainberg | breton: note, it is not stable and we will break the contract until we hit 1.x | 21:24 |
| morganfainberg | breton: we split the code (and history) out of keystoneclient | 21:24 |
| bknudson | I don't think the keystone cli has been a maintenance problem... only annoyance is -2 changes to it | 21:24 |
| morganfainberg | so we didn't lose history on wht was done | 21:24 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: fair enough | 21:25 |
| bknudson | plan to get rid of it in M release | 21:25 |
| bknudson | then it will be deprecated for a couple of releases | 21:25 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: sounds good. lets make sure we have all the right people (ops) aware of it at this summit | 21:26 |
| morganfainberg | also dtroyer should know about that plan :) | 21:26 |
| bknudson | is this the sdk? http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/python-openstacksdk/ still in stackforge? | 21:26 |
| morganfainberg | no idea | 21:27 |
| morganfainberg | join #openstack-sdks | 21:27 |
| morganfainberg | that is where they are doing the conversations | 21:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eric Brown proposed openstack/python-keystoneclient: Typo in openstack client help https://review.openstack.org/183717 | 21:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/pycadf: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/178425 | 22:07 |
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| browne | quick question: would a keystone-spec be necessary for blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/role-descriptions ? | 22:14 |
| morganfainberg | browne: probably not. but you should put the BP on the IRC meeting agenda under the section of evaluating BPs for no-spec needed | 22:18 |
| browne | ok cool, thx | 22:18 |
| morganfainberg | browne: "Review of Keystone Blueprints for No-Spec Requires Status" is the section https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 22:18 |
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| jamielennox | morganfainberg: is there anybody actually in keystoneauth core? | 22:51 |
| jamielennox | and do we have a feature branch | 22:52 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox: as soon as that merges (the governance change) | 22:52 |
| morganfainberg | i will be added to the core group | 22:52 |
| morganfainberg | and for KSC? | 22:52 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox: tell me the sha you want the branch based on | 22:52 |
| morganfainberg | or ask in -infra | 22:52 |
| morganfainberg | i'll need to ask infra about it if you just give me the sha | 22:52 |
| jamielennox | ok, i just had a quick look at who was in the gerrit group and there's nothing | 22:52 |
| * morganfainberg can't make branches | 22:52 | |
| morganfainberg | oh good let me bug infra | 22:53 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: yea, i asked earlier dhellmann is the person that needs to do it | 22:53 |
| jamielennox | otherwise we can submit a review so that keystoneclient-release can create tags | 22:53 |
| jamielennox | never managed to catch him though | 22:53 |
| morganfainberg | i can already do tags and merge commits | 22:53 |
| morganfainberg | i can't make new branches | 22:53 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: the branch can come from master | 22:53 |
| jamielennox | sorry, that's what i meant push branches | 22:54 |
| jamielennox | it's been a long day/night/something | 22:54 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox: no worries | 22:55 |
| morganfainberg | we will be able to corner dhellmann in the not too distant future | 22:56 |
| morganfainberg | and just get it done | 22:56 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: i imagine he'll be busy this week | 22:56 |
| morganfainberg | dtroyer: added you to ksa-core and -release | 22:57 |
| morganfainberg | dtroyer: you, me, and jamie can tag releases from it | 22:57 |
| morganfainberg | i'll fix the LP groups this weekend | 22:57 |
| jamielennox | dtroyer: i'll be watching >.> | 22:58 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox: so now we have proper core group | 22:58 |
| morganfainberg | and we can include people like mordred if it makes sense | 22:58 |
| morganfainberg | keystone-core is core for ksa obviously | 22:58 |
| jamielennox | ok cool - i was wondering if you were going to cut that cruft :) | 22:59 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: i still have core on the SDK project apparently - i'd be really wary about using it though | 23:02 |
| morganfainberg | hehe | 23:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-keystoneclient: Typo in openstack client help https://review.openstack.org/183717 | 23:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jamie Lennox proposed openstack/keystoneauth: Move catalog hack functions to keystoneauth https://review.openstack.org/183737 | 23:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Jamie Lennox proposed openstack/keystoneauth: Remove session.construct https://review.openstack.org/183738 | 23:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Jamie Lennox proposed openstack/keystoneauth: Cleanup deprecated session variables https://review.openstack.org/183739 | 23:56 |
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