Thursday, 2015-11-05

kfox1111_bknudson: dolphm: thanks.00:03
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openstackgerritDavid Stanek proposed openstack/keystone: Use unit.new_service_ref() consistently  https://review.openstack.org/23828300:41
openstackgerritDavid Stanek proposed openstack/keystone: Use unit.new_endpoint_ref consistently  https://review.openstack.org/23775800:41
openstackgerritDavid Stanek proposed openstack/keystone: Use unit.new_region_ref() consistently  https://review.openstack.org/23830200:41
samueldmqdstanek: that's nice :) ^00:45
dstaneksamueldmq: wasn't me - i just had to rebase it because i have work on top of it00:45
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openstackgerritHidekazu Nakamura proposed openstack/keystone: Update development environment set up doc  https://review.openstack.org/22302000:48
samueldmqdstanek: yep, I saw that's from Sean Perry :)00:50
andrewbogottayoung: now that I have things working with v3, I’m trying to follow your earlier suggestion of making my policy.json support a universal observer.00:53
andrewbogottWhich, for the short term, means creating a user who can list the instances in projects without having a role in that project.00:54
andrewbogottDo you still think that’s possible, or did I fail to state what I was doing adequately before?00:54
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kfox1111_is there any drawback to running keystone without a rabbit?01:17
kfox1111_its just used for notifications, right?01:17
jamielennoxthe fox gets bored01:18
jamielennox:D01:18
jamielennoxsorry, weird day01:18
kfox1111_:)01:18
jamielennoxyup, just notifications01:19
kfox1111_and the notifications are just advisory, nothing really relies apon them today?01:19
jamielennoxumm, i'd check ceilometer01:19
jamielennoxbut afaik no01:19
kfox1111_k. thx.01:20
jamielennoxno one is actually doing cleanup01:20
kfox1111_going to setup one keystone to rule them all (multi region)01:20
kfox1111_and just double checking.01:20
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notmorganayoung: i am against a "config" option to change the behavior01:39
notmorganayoung: that really is not solving a clear use-case nor providing good interoperability01:39
jamielennoxlaunchpad is missing a "what was that bug i commented on yesterday" style view01:39
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notmorganayoung: so either we change "disabled" or we do a new "state" if this is something to be considered01:40
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notmorganmore config options to change behavior is a bad idea.01:40
notmorganimo01:40
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jamielennoxlove a good: msg: exception: Code should never reach here01:50
jamielennoxsuper helpful01:50
openstackgerritDave Chen proposed openstack/keystonemiddleware: Deprecate class AuthTokenPlugin properly  https://review.openstack.org/22050901:52
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dolphmjamielennox: that's like a git blame | kickme02:32
jamielennoxit's via ansible modules, i'm not even sure where it's coming from02:33
dolphmjamielennox: not openstack-ansible, i hope?02:34
jamielennoxi don't think so02:34
jamielennoxno it seems to happen when doing keystone_user without a tenant=02:34
jamielennoxi guess noone thought of that as something you might do02:35
jamielennoxditching the whole lot and doing it with commands to openstackclient02:35
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jamielennoxdolphm: i didn't see anywhere openstack-ansible-modules let you do anything v3? is that a possibility or just not done via module02:36
dolphmjamielennox: like? i'm pretty sure openstack-ansible does everything with v302:39
jamielennoxdolphm: i'm doing my own playbooks, just want to use the helpers so was only looking at https://github.com/openstack-ansible/openstack-ansible-modules02:39
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openstackgerritJamie Lennox proposed openstack/keystone: Exclude old Shibboleth options from docs  https://review.openstack.org/24186304:05
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marekdjamielennox: yes it does.04:51
jamielennoxmarekd: i'm almost there04:51
marekdgood luck04:52
jamielennoxmarekd: there's a lot of difference between shib and mellon04:52
jamielennoxeven just in expectation04:52
marekdjamielennox: why do you prefer mellon ?04:53
jamielennoxmarekd: not necessarily a preference, just shib isn't shipped on rhel04:54
jamielennoxinteresting how they differ is all04:54
jamielennoxshib very much tries to be it's own application that happens to be launched by apache04:54
jamielennoxmellon is a more traditional apache auth module that does what it's told and is configured via apache conf04:55
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marekdjamielennox: you mean because there is a shibd and mod_shib ?04:55
jamielennoxmarekd: can you launch shibd seperate to mod_shib?04:55
jamielennoxeverything is happening via apache atm04:55
marekdjamielennox: not sure if I can but AFAIR arch is that there is a shibd daemon that does the work.04:56
marekdjamielennox: in fact it would be good if I could04:56
jamielennoxyea,04:56
jamielennoxand there is an /etc/init.d/shibd as well04:56
marekdjamielennox: why should I limit myself to Apache only?04:56
jamielennox /etc/init.d feels ancient after using systemd for a while04:56
marekdall this Apache stuff and static config files is just big lol04:56
jamielennoxyea, it's just how i've done it - i'm seeing some reasons you did things certain ways that shib supports better04:57
marekdif you have a system with systemd you will still have /etc/init.d/shibd ?04:58
marekdjamielennox: i often think saml and anything OSS that implements it doesn't really keep up with todays technology...04:59
marekdseriously.04:59
marekdand requirements for scalability and all this stuff.04:59
jamielennoxmarekd: i don't know, currently i've only got access to a ubuntu vm so i'm having to learn shib04:59
jamielennoxand remember all the quirks between the two04:59
marekdjamielennox: so you are configuring shibd to work with testshib or mellon ?05:00
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jamielennoxshibd with testshib05:00
jamielennoxi tried to point mellon at it and it just doesn't work05:00
jamielennoxthe configuration that shibd/testshib are exchanging is not just saml metadata05:00
marekdjamielennox: it should be.05:01
marekdwhat do you mean not just saml metadata?05:01
jamielennoxmarekd: underlying it should be, but the config they are doing with each other expects shib config05:01
jamielennoxie dynamic fetching of metadata05:01
jamielennoxumm05:01
jamielennoxthe testshib registration config05:01
marekdjamielennox: hm, it should be a SP metadata05:02
jamielennoxit was just painful to try and get it working with mellon05:02
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marekdjamielennox: why are saml2 plugins not listed here ? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238549/8/setup.cfg05:03
marekdjamielennox: because they are experimental or whatever?05:03
jamielennoxmarekd: i've imported them as private because a) i want to fix them up a bit b) they don't work05:04
jamielennoxi get some problem with passing args to __init__ failure when i try to load them05:04
jamielennoxso i'm importing them as private until that can all be fixed05:04
marekdjamielennox: what's not working?05:05
marekdjamielennox: so there was that thing with lazy importer05:05
marekdjamielennox: which got eventually removed05:05
jamielennoxi'm not sure, it was just telling me that the options weren't being passed to __init__ correctly05:06
jamielennoxi wanted to import as is for now and fix in place05:06
marekdjamielennox: is it going to work somehow with OSC without entrypoints?05:06
jamielennoxmarekd: no it will need the entry points05:06
jamielennoxbut i want to get it working first05:07
marekdjamielennox: short term (make fixes to the patch) or make requests_saml2 ?05:07
jamielennoxmarekd: short term i want to get it in and get it working, fairly short term i want to refactor the ECP bit into a requests plugin, longer term i want to put that requests plugin in an upstream repo05:08
jamielennoxthe requests plugin can always live in our repo for a wihle05:08
marekdjamielennox: yes.05:09
marekdwhat was the change required to make it work as a requests_plugin ?05:09
marekdworkaround on 30x redirects ?05:09
jamielennoxmarekd: there's a fair bit of restructuring. you can look at the requests docs for how their auth plugins work, or look at like requests-kerberos to see how they handle plugins05:10
jamielennoxthey didn't show a lot, i found another plugin that had lots more detail to it just on github somewhere, i've forgotten the name05:10
jamielennoxbut you can search for examples05:10
jamielennoxmarekd: does shib fail if you don't use ssl?05:10
jamielennoxStatus: urn:oasis:names:tc:SAML:2.0:status:Responder05:10
jamielennoxMessage: Unable to encrypt assertion05:10
marekdshib-keygen -y <num of years>05:11
marekddid you call it?05:11
marekdit shouldn't fail if you configure it with http05:11
jamielennoxyea05:11
marekdneed to check logs then05:15
jamielennoxmarekd: there's no keys in the metadata i provide to testshib05:15
jamielennoxis that right?05:15
marekdjamielennox: no.05:18
marekdjamielennox: hm, rerun shib-keygen, maybe restart shibd and apache05:18
marekdand see if the key is there05:18
jamielennoxoh, i think maybe i've got the permissions set up wrong05:18
marekd(in the metadata)05:18
jamielennoxi've got the key owned by keystone05:18
marekdah05:18
marekdso it's probably there05:19
marekdi suggest opening another terminal and tail -f /var/log/shibboleth/*05:19
marekdor whatever the dir was05:19
jamielennoxmarekd: yea - i just found that folder, i was wondering why there was nothing in the apache logs05:19
marekd:-)05:20
marekdapache logs also have some shib related stuff.05:20
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jamielennoxhmm, no this is an identity provider error being returne d05:24
jamielennoxaha!05:25
jamielennoxok, i'm in05:27
jamielennoxmarekd: thanks05:27
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marekdcongrats05:44
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jamielennoxthis gives me at least something to test the saml plugins against again05:45
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davechen1jamielennox: maybe the note could be kept there - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24186305:53
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davechen1jamielennox: i might be more clear why we do config as that under apache.05:54
davechen1s/i/it05:55
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openstackgerritHidekazu Nakamura proposed openstack/keystone: Update development environment set up doc  https://review.openstack.org/22302006:08
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/keystone: Imported Translations from Zanata  https://review.openstack.org/23878906:13
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nttHi, I'm using kilo release of keystone and I'd like to use ssl, someone can help me?08:03
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marekdntt: Hi, where is the problem?08:08
nttwhich section of keystone.conf should I use for ssl?08:09
nttI'm using keystone with apache08:09
nttand I have a wsgi-keystone.conf in the apache config dir08:09
nttShould I just configure ssl in the apache config file or I have to modify some section in keystone.conf?08:10
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marekdntt: just configure ssl in apache08:17
marekdand make sure you use https instead of http.08:17
marekdapache will handle ssl stuff.08:18
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openstackgerritMarek Denis proposed openstack/keystone: Federation Identity Provider functional tests  https://review.openstack.org/20325808:29
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openstackgerritMarek Denis proposed openstack/keystone: Functional tests for federation mapping CRUD  https://review.openstack.org/23157408:31
openstackgerritMarek Denis proposed openstack/keystone: Functional tests for federation protocols CRUD  https://review.openstack.org/23373308:31
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nttmarekd: thanks... It seems to work.08:41
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marekdntt: coolio :-)09:25
openstackgerritMarek Denis proposed openstack/keystone: Functional tests for federation protocols CRUD  https://review.openstack.org/23373309:26
nttmarekd: next step is ssl with swift..... It seems more difficult because I have to use stud, pound or similar. Have you some advise?09:27
marekdwhat's stud or pound ?09:27
ntthttps://github.com/bumptech/stud09:28
nttI'd like to have an ssl endpoint for swift proxy09:28
marekdso try without proxy dfor now09:29
marekdand make sure it works correctly with ssl09:29
marekdi'd start with a simplified use case09:29
nttI'm using swift without ssl and it works well. With ssl, it seems that swift-proxy doesn't support ssl, so I have to use stud. Right?09:30
marekdi don't know whether swift-proxy supports ssl or not09:31
marekdi suggest asking swift guys.09:31
nttok09:31
nttthanks09:31
marekdyw09:31
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samueldmqmorning all11:15
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openstackgerritHenrique Truta proposed openstack/keystone: Constraint to prevent duplicates endpoints  https://review.openstack.org/13409511:43
openstackgerritHenrique Truta proposed openstack/keystone: Change endpoint.url column type to String  https://review.openstack.org/24174811:43
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/keystone: Get user role without project id is not implemented  https://review.openstack.org/23765812:16
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openstackgerritAlexander Makarov proposed openstack/keystone-specs: Unified delegation spec  https://review.openstack.org/18981612:40
openstackgerritAlexander Makarov proposed openstack/keystone-specs: Unified delegation spec  https://review.openstack.org/18981612:40
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sweetJeebusgood morning y'all13:27
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sweetJeebusI was hoping someone could help point me at some info. I've been digging around for details on converting a v2 api keystone installation to v3. I'm not finding much that is current, so perhaps I'm just not looking in the right place? What I do find is some instructions on manually manipulating the db entries to s/v2/v3/ in the service lists. That sort of thing. Is this still the most current way of making the change?13:31
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samueldmqhtruta: raildo ping - about change #241748, what's wrong with making a TEXT type unique ?13:56
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htrutasamueldmq: dave chen explains it here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134095/3/keystone/catalog/backends/sql.py13:57
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raildohtruta: ++13:58
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samueldmqhtruta: raildo nice. could (service_id, region_id, interface) be enough for that constraint ?14:02
raildolbragstad: told for us in a previous patch that we really need add url in the constraint14:03
samueldmqhtruta: raildo: it would even be more accurate imo, because an endpoint shouldn't be able to have 2 url's for the same interface14:03
raildosamueldmq: let me found the comment14:03
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samueldmqraildo: yes, please :)14:04
raildosamueldmq: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134095/6/keystone/catalog/backends/sql.py14:05
htrutasamueldmq: in the bug description someone also says that the ideal constraint contains url14:05
htrutawe can have more than one url to an endpoint14:06
samueldmqhtruta: for the same interface ?14:06
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htrutasamueldmq: maybe it was discussed here in irc, look at the bug page discussion too14:10
samueldmqhtruta: raildo: k will look, thanks14:12
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openstackgerritLance Bragstad proposed openstack/keystone-specs: Add even more clarity to scope docs  https://review.openstack.org/22994914:57
lbragstaddstanek mind revisiting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215212/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215715/ when you get a chance? I think you're comments were addressed.15:00
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dstaneklbragstad: sure15:05
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lbragstaddstanek thanks!15:16
lbragstadbknudson should we not worry about backporting this to kilo? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236083/15:19
lbragstadbknudson do you think we need to?15:19
bknudsonlbragstad: if there's nothing that depends on it then there's no reason to backport it.15:19
lbragstadbknudson makes sense, it's just a rename anyway15:20
bknudsonI thought it was proposed as a backport because it made a fix easier to backport?15:20
lbragstadbknudson I'm double checking that now15:21
lbragstadbknudson working through that chain15:21
lbragstadbknudson what other review were you referencing in your comment here - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221799/ ?15:23
bknudsonmust have been related to "backport proposed - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236071/"15:24
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lbragstadbknudson done - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221799/215:35
openstackgerritTom Cocozzello proposed openstack/keystonemiddleware: Define entry points for filter factories for Paste Deployment  https://review.openstack.org/23383915:36
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bknudsonlbragstad: still lots of conflicts15:36
bknudsonwhy so many conflicts?15:36
bknudsonare we adding tons of new features to fernet tokens?15:37
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dhellmannbknudson : do we still need to block these keystone libs in liberty? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235923/15:50
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bknudsondhellmann: those releases still contain bad requirements, and we don't want packagers to use them so I think they should be blocked.15:52
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openstackgerritLance Bragstad proposed openstack/keystone: Deprecate the pki and pkiz token providers.  https://review.openstack.org/24138916:06
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lbragstadbknudson no, i don't think we did, i think it was just a big sequence of fixes?16:10
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bknudsonlbragstad: then there shouldn't be conflicts when backporting16:11
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lbragstaddolphm ayoung  for the conversion from mysql `datetime` to `int`, we determined that we wouldn't need a spec, right?16:24
ayounglbragstad, I never think we need a spec16:24
ayoungspecs are dumb16:24
dolphmlbragstad: i don't think so - don't we already have an open bug?16:25
ayounglbragstad, so...it does not change the API.  Right?16:25
ayoungWe are going to change the DB column and the mechanism for comparison.16:25
ayoungembedding the sub-second section in the token body should be a non-user-visible change16:26
ayoungI think we are OK without a spec, and just used the bug report.16:26
lbragstadayoung the api responses will come back with sub-second precision, but that will happen when we have the change to fernet land16:26
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ayoungthat is still inside the token spec, though, as the UUID and PKI tokens do that now, right?16:26
lbragstadright16:29
dolphmlbragstad: pretty sure the v3 doc mandates subsecond precision everywhere, unless you document an exception. does the revoke API document it otherwise?16:29
lbragstaddolphm yep, you're right.16:29
lbragstaddolphm i meant the return of sub-second precision that isn't .000000Z16:30
lbragstadso, no16:30
lbragstadno api changes16:30
dolphmlbragstad: ++ agree16:30
lbragstadthis is the only bug that I could find related to it - https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/145979016:30
openstackLaunchpad bug 1459790 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) kilo "With fernet tokens, validate token loses the ms on 'expires' value " [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Dolph Mathews (dolph)16:30
lbragstadand that is closed16:30
lbragstador 'Fix Released'16:31
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lbragstadso, should we open a new bug that is specific to supporting accurate sub-second precision in fernet's creation timestamp?16:31
dolphmlbragstad: that's with regard to a different timestamp though16:31
lbragstadcorrect16:31
lbragstadi think we should open a new bug16:31
dolphmlbragstad: but you're not concerned about the creation timestamp, right? you're concerned about the revocation event timestamp16:32
lbragstadyes16:32
lbragstadwell.. yes, having subsecond support in sql will get us part of the way there.16:32
lbragstadthe other half would be getting sub-second accuracy in fernet's creation timestamp16:33
lbragstadso, a new bug specific to getting sub-second accuracy in sql16:33
lbragstadand a bug specific to getting sub-second accuracy in fernet's creation timestamp16:33
dolphmlbragstad: agree. i was handling that bit as part of the "tempest is failing" bug, but more specific bugs would make sense at this point i think16:33
lbragstaddolphm makes sense, i'll create both of those then16:34
dolphmlbragstad: this might be a migration worth backporting, too16:34
dolphmlbragstad: which i think would be a first for us16:34
lbragstaddolphm  the 'tempest is failing' bug should be closed out (temporarily) by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231191/16:35
dolphmlbragstad: ooh, right16:35
dolphmlbragstad: then yes, we definitely need new bugs to work against16:35
lbragstaddolphm yep, i have odyssey4me on the schedule for the next keystone meeting to get operator feedback16:35
dolphmbecause we have at least 2 more related changes to keystone16:35
dolphmlbragstad: on?16:35
lbragstaddolphm the migration from datetime to int16:36
lbragstadwe were talking about it a bit at the summit and he was interested16:36
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dolphmmarekd: when are we going to support defederation? i just like the word and i think we should support that word16:36
dolphmlbragstad: cool16:37
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lbragstaddolphm sub-second accuracy support for sql - https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/151353816:46
openstackLaunchpad bug 1513538 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Remove SQL's datetime format inplace of integer timestamps" [Undecided,New]16:46
lbragstadsub-second accuracy support for fernet's creation timestamp - https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/151354116:46
openstackLaunchpad bug 1513541 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Support sub-second accuracy in Fernet's creation timestamp" [Undecided,New]16:46
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openstackgerritDarren Shaw proposed openstack/keystone: Correct description in Keystone key_terms  https://review.openstack.org/24215516:48
dolphmlbragstad: amended description with a citation16:49
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lbragstaddolphm thanks16:50
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ayoungSo...I was looking in to supporting Basic_Auth as a Federation mechanism.  Apache mod_authn_dbd is not there, yet, as it only supports sha1, not sha512.  And that would still not give us the group list.  Does it make sense to create a custom  middleware/filter  that could go in front of OS-FEDERATION that could handle basic-auth?  And, if so, how do we make sure it does not get triggered by the non-Basic_auth paths in ap17:42
ayoungache (short of making sure apache has valid_user-required)17:42
openstackgerritTom Cocozzello proposed openstack/keystonemiddleware: Define entry points for filter factories for Paste Deployment  https://review.openstack.org/23383917:46
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/keystone-specs: Add even more clarity to scope docs  https://review.openstack.org/22994918:06
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openstackgerritRaildo Mascena de Sousa Filho proposed openstack/keystone: Translation-friendly formatting of msg string  https://review.openstack.org/24031618:24
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MHederFYI: we have done some work on user/project provisioning for SAML+Keystone scenarios. Here is the white paper: http://arxiv.org/abs/1510.0401720:36
MHederAny comments are welcome20:36
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samueldmqMHeder: nice, cc marekd ^20:41
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openstackgerritRon De Rose proposed openstack/keystone: Limit the number of roles a user can be assigned within a project  https://review.openstack.org/23994821:31
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AJaegerkeystone cores, could you import translations again? Both for stable and liberty, please? These contain metadata changes -removal of an obsolete URL: https://review.openstack.org/238789 and https://review.openstack.org/23879021:49
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openstackgerritayoung proposed openstack/keystone-specs: is_admin_project  https://review.openstack.org/24223221:57
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/keystone: Correct description in Keystone key_terms  https://review.openstack.org/24215522:17
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shalehwhile gerrit is nice for hosting the review. the interface is not pleasant for discussing the review22:33
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/keystone: Add caching to get_catalog  https://review.openstack.org/21521222:39
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openstackgerritLance Bragstad proposed openstack/keystone: Add caching to role assignments  https://review.openstack.org/21571522:52
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samueldmqlbragstad: one more review there :-)23:03
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samueldmqwhen is keystone midcycle going to happen ?23:12
samueldmqdo we have any plans already ?23:12
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shalehre midcycle, April in Austin TX right?23:22
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lhchengshaleh: that's the summit :)23:36
shalehlhcheng: ah right23:37
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lhchengmidcycle if its happen, would probably around jan or early feb23:37
lhchengdoesn't seem like we have a lot new features going on this cycle (mostly stabilization), not sure if we need a midcycle this time.23:39
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shalehlhcheng: agreed23:46
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openstackgerritSean Perry proposed openstack/keystone: Use unit.new_endpoint_ref consistently  https://review.openstack.org/23775823:51
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