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| zxy | \o | 13:53 |
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| gagehugo | o/ | 14:24 |
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| lbragstad | the themes for monday/tuesday at the PTG have been released - https://www.openstack.org/ptg#tab_schedule | 14:36 |
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| kmalloc | mmmm | 16:11 |
| kmalloc | eclipse watching today | 16:11 |
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| kmalloc | 93% where i'm at (didn't decide to drive down to PDX or Salem) | 16:11 |
| kmalloc | lbragstad: what is "skip level" upgrading? | 16:12 |
| kmalloc | like ocata->rocky? | 16:12 |
| lbragstad | skip level upgrading? | 16:13 |
| kmalloc | Skip-level upgrading (#upgrading) | 16:13 |
| kmalloc | Support for skip-level upgrading across all OpenStack components will be discussed In this room. We’ll also discuss increasing the number of projects that support rolling upgrades, zero-downtime upgrades and zero-impact upgrades. | 16:13 |
| kmalloc | from the linke | 16:13 |
| lbragstad | sounds like it consists of powering down a cloud, rolling through each release, and powering it back on | 16:13 |
| * kmalloc shrugs | 16:13 | |
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| cmurphy | it's upgrading from N to N+2 | 16:31 |
| cmurphy | it's not specific to how the cloud is powered up or down | 16:31 |
| lbragstad | cmurphy: does the migration have to be online? | 16:32 |
| cmurphy | lbragstad: ideally | 16:32 |
| lbragstad | cmurphy: or are those details omitted? | 16:32 |
| lbragstad | interesting | 16:32 |
| lbragstad | it's like a "go baby go" upgrade button for your cloud | 16:33 |
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| lbragstad | does anyone here know if they will be in Sydney yet? | 16:40 |
| lbragstad | cc cmurphy kmalloc knikolla gagehugo breton hrybacki ayoung samueldmq ^ | 16:41 |
| lbragstad | raildo: ^ | 16:41 |
| knikolla | I most probably will be. | 16:41 |
| hrybacki | lbragstad: I don't think I'm budgeted to go, no. Ayoung probably won't be going either | 16:42 |
| lbragstad | ack - i understand it's pretty early to be asking that question | 16:42 |
| raildo | lbragstad, I had one talk approved but I'm not sure that I'll have budget to go, so I think that I'm in the maybe section | 16:44 |
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| lbragstad | raildo: ack | 16:45 |
| lbragstad | i'll follow up after the PTG as well | 16:45 |
| cmurphy | both my talks were accepted so strong possibility | 16:46 |
| lbragstad | good deal | 16:46 |
| gagehugo | lbragstad I highly doubt I will be | 16:47 |
| gagehugo | but it's not 100% decided yet | 16:47 |
| lbragstad | gagehugo: do you know if/when you'll have a for sure answer </loadedquestion> | 16:48 |
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| gagehugo | heh | 16:48 |
| knikolla | My talk wasn't approved yet again, but I should be fine to go. Will confirm soon. | 16:48 |
| gagehugo | I can double check tomorrow | 16:48 |
| lbragstad | ok - we can discuss more in Denver, too | 16:48 |
| lbragstad | i just wanted to get feelers out there | 16:48 |
| gagehugo | yeah my talk wasn't approved either | 16:49 |
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| ayoung | I am not going to Sydney. | 16:54 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: :( | 16:55 |
| lbragstad | well - jamielennox better be there | 16:56 |
| ayoung | I'm not sure if anyone representing the Identity side of RH is going. rcrit, who was doing the Novajoin stuff is headed back to the IPA project to take back over techlead. | 16:56 |
| lbragstad | ah | 16:56 |
| ayoung | jamielennox has been working for IBM for several years now. But, yeah. | 16:56 |
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| kmalloc | lbragstad: I will not be in syd | 17:11 |
| kmalloc | Unless something massive changes. | 17:12 |
| breton | i will not be either | 17:12 |
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| samueldmq | lbragstad: I'm with the majority: not sure yet. I am expecting to be approved to go though | 17:22 |
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| cfriesen_ | Has anyone ever considered extending the API to deal more efficiently with many regions? ie adding some optional parameters to the initial authorization such that the returned endpoints correspond only to a particular region (and maybe service, while we're at it)? Otherwise I could see the endpoint list getting very long if there are many regions. | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | cfriesen_: yeah - that'd be an interesting discussion to have | 19:00 |
| lbragstad | cfriesen_: I haven't heard of anyone doing that - at least to my knowledge | 19:00 |
| cfriesen_ | lbragstat: I'll be at the PTG, if anyone's interested. We're looking at something that could involve 20+ regions, so the number of endpoints starts to add up. | 19:02 |
| cfriesen_ | oops, spelling | 19:02 |
| lbragstad | cfriesen_: that's a lot of regions | 19:03 |
| lbragstad | i'm not sure we've had someone deploy keystone across that many regions before | 19:03 |
| lbragstad | cfriesen_: are you using sql for the backend? | 19:03 |
| cfriesen_ | lbragstad: yes, Postgres | 19:04 |
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| cfriesen_ | currently, anyway | 19:04 |
| lbragstad | cfriesen_: are you replicating it successfully across that many regions? | 19:04 |
| cfriesen_ | lbragstad: still in design phase. are you anticipating issues? | 19:05 |
| lbragstad | cfriesen_: well - the last i heard, people hit issues scaling keystone across that many regions | 19:06 |
| lbragstad | but.. that was also before we implemented non-persistent tokens | 19:06 |
| lbragstad | which accounted for nearly all replication/backend traffic | 19:06 |
| cfriesen_ | lbragstad: we're not expecting each region to be all that big, would that help? | 19:06 |
| lbragstad | oh - i'm sure that will have an impact | 19:07 |
| lbragstad | the biggest thing we noticed in any replicated identity setup was the amount of traffic that needed to be sync'd | 19:07 |
| lbragstad | and syncing globally can get expensive | 19:07 |
| lbragstad | so - removing the need to write tokens to a persistent storage layer was a big win in that regard | 19:08 |
| lbragstad | but - a lot has changed from when i last heard of someone scaling keystone into that many regions | 19:09 |
| lbragstad | so any information based on those previous attempts are probably irrelevant | 19:09 |
| lbragstad | s/are/is/ | 19:09 |
| cfriesen_ | lbragstad: thanks for the info | 19:10 |
| lbragstad | cfriesen_: anytime - i'll be at the PTG | 19:10 |
| lbragstad | happy to sit down and talk about what you're going for | 19:10 |
| cfriesen_ | sounds good | 19:10 |
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| mjax | lbragstad: Trying to get two different domains to use very similar identity backend drivers, with the difference being how they store the user in the database, and how they authenticate users. Problem is, they both use the same sql tables and I get an unexpected error preventing things from working on the server. | 19:49 |
| mjax | Works fine if I get rid of the sql session calls in the 2nd driver, but I want to inherit sql.py to override 1 or 2 methods | 19:50 |
| mjax | any idea why this is happening or workarounds that I could employ? | 19:51 |
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| lbragstad | mjax: interesting - so you want to use different sql drivers but you want them to read/write to the same sql store for users? | 20:41 |
| mjax | yea | 20:41 |
| mjax | lbragstad: do you think it's possible? | 20:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jaewoo Park proposed openstack/keystone master: WIP: Extend comparator support for project list by tags https://review.openstack.org/495978 | 20:43 |
| lbragstad | mjax: does each sql driver have to list users maintained by the other? | 20:43 |
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| mjax | nope, I believe just the ones that they've controlled should be fine. Are you thinking of having a separate stores for each driver? | 20:45 |
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| lbragstad | mjax: might make managing the conflict easier | 20:51 |
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| mjax | would that affect the use of the resource, and assignment drivers that also make use of sql stores? | 20:53 |
| lbragstad | mjax: you can also use hybrid properties to in the event a driver needs to access users stored in a different sql table | 20:53 |
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| lbragstad | mjax: does https://docs.openstack.org/keystone/latest/admin/identity-domain-specific-config.html help or apply to your situation? | 20:57 |
| mjax | i've been following that to get the domain specific config files in order, but it didn't help me with my specific problem of sql stores | 20:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jaewoo Park proposed openstack/keystone master: WIP: Extend comparator support for project list by tags https://review.openstack.org/495978 | 21:12 |
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| jamielennox | shut up with that racket | 23:51 |
| jamielennox | people are trying to concentrate | 23:51 |
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