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wxy | lbragstad: cool. I was reading it last few days as well. Seems we may have more things to discuss. | 01:46 |
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lbragstad | yeah - that's exactly what i was thinking | 01:46 |
lbragstad | i found this, too | 01:47 |
lbragstad | which was interesting https://paragonie.com/blog/2017/03/jwt-json-web-tokens-is-bad-standard-that-everyone-should-avoid | 01:47 |
wxy | the title is interesting. lol | 01:49 |
lbragstad | :) | 01:49 |
lbragstad | http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2016/06/13/stop-using-jwt-for-sessions/ is another interesting one | 01:50 |
lbragstad | both of those articles reference https://auth0.com/blog/critical-vulnerabilities-in-json-web-token-libraries/ | 01:51 |
lbragstad | which i included in the security section of the reproposed specification | 01:51 |
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Dinesh_Bhor | lbragstad: Hi if you have time then could you please take a look at these two patches. Both are having one +2: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329913/12 , https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267456/ | 02:01 |
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kmalloc | lbragstad: we are mostly stateful tokens (live check each step) and appear to be more immune to the concerns in that article than implied as a straight session management. | 03:59 |
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kmalloc | That said, if we encryption not just signed (mirroring fernet) we are pretty darn safe, minus normal beaerer token issues. We are using JWT as a claim transport, not as a all encompassing session manager -- and we don't rely on js to pull the data in. | 04:00 |
kmalloc | The link in the spec is good to have | 04:00 |
kmalloc | I'll do more analysis when not on a phone and trying to read/irc at the same time. | 04:01 |
kmalloc | But tl;dr of that article is "bearer tokens are bad, mmmkay, and have security concerns" esp. when coupled with using js to load data from local store. | 04:03 |
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kmalloc | re: the vuln... i think we can be smarter than the libraries and just wrap the alg bit ourselves and throw out bad tokens. | 04:06 |
kmalloc | lbragstad: ^ not that we should have to... but i want keystone to explictly only allow algs we say we support (aka, I would violate the standard and not allow None) | 04:07 |
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wxy | kmalloc: ++ yeah. We can add deeper limit or function in Keystone to enhance the libraries. | 04:10 |
kmalloc | wxy: :) | 04:10 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.policy master: add lower-constraints job https://review.openstack.org/556068 | 06:23 |
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openstackgerrit | wangxiyuan proposed openstack/keystone master: [WIP]Add hierarchical limit https://review.openstack.org/557696 | 12:32 |
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sapd | hi everyone. Why keystone on Queens release is listen on 5000 only instead of 5000 & 35357? thanks | 12:46 |
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knikolla | sapd: because we removed keystone v2.0. In keystone v2.0 5000 and 35357 server different functions but in keystone v3 they are the same so it is not necessary to have both anymore. | 13:34 |
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lbragstad | kmalloc: wxy yeah, i added a section about that in the spec | 13:43 |
lbragstad | the questions i'm thinking about now is, "do we care if we sign versus just encrypting?" | 13:43 |
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lbragstad | sapd: the v2.0 API was removed in queens | 13:46 |
sapd | thanks knikolla and lbragstad , because I don't see any information in the docs or release note, and install guide is still using port 35357, that make me confused | 13:47 |
lbragstad | sapd: the v2.0 was designed around the concept of two different applications, or endpoints, one for administrator functionality (port 35357) and one for end user functionality (port 5000) | 13:47 |
sapd | lbragstad: how about security if we use same port for admin and normal user? | 13:47 |
lbragstad | we do list it in the release notes - https://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/keystone/queens.html | 13:48 |
lbragstad | sapd: the v3 API processes all requests the same way | 13:48 |
lbragstad | and it handles admin and end user functionality in the application | 13:48 |
lbragstad | instead of using the deployment architecture to solve the problem | 13:48 |
sapd | lbragstad: I don't see any information about remove v2.0 api in this release notes. | 13:51 |
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lbragstad | sapd: https://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/keystone/queens.html#other-notes | 13:52 |
lbragstad | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/removed-as-of-queens | 13:52 |
sapd | yep. lbragstad I don't go to blueprint link, So I don't understand it. Thanks again | 13:53 |
lbragstad | yep | 13:53 |
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lbragstad | we should get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557060/ merged soon so that it's out of the way for other specs looking to land soon (api creds) | 14:26 |
gagehugo | lbragstad done | 14:33 |
gagehugo | s/done/reviewed | 14:34 |
lbragstad | gagehugo: thank you | 14:34 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/keystone-specs master: Log queens specifications with previous releases https://review.openstack.org/557060 | 15:04 |
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openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/keystone-specs master: Repropose JWT specification for Rocky https://review.openstack.org/541903 | 16:09 |
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lbragstad | well - it looks like we're only going to be able to implement jws if we do jwt | 16:16 |
lbragstad | the only library available that implements jwe is GPLv3 licensed | 16:16 |
gagehugo | hmm | 16:17 |
lbragstad | unless we go help one of those libraries implement jwe | 16:20 |
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lbragstad | looks like both python-jose and pyjwt use pyca/cryptography for signing stuff | 16:32 |
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gagehugo | yeah | 16:40 |
gagehugo | spec seems to look good, probably some discussion points though | 16:40 |
lbragstad | yeah... lots to discuss | 16:43 |
lbragstad | if i'm reading headless tokens correctly, the author is implying JWEs | 16:49 |
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lbragstad | "A JWT consists of a protected payload together with a plaintext "header" section." | 16:49 |
lbragstad | well.. if protected == encrypted | 16:50 |
lbragstad | then JWE is implied | 16:51 |
lbragstad | otherwise, if protected == verified | 16:51 |
lbragstad | then JWS is a possibility | 16:51 |
lbragstad | but yeah - i suppose if we did do JWT and only used JWS, then headless would be a good option | 16:53 |
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lbragstad | because that would leave generating the head up to keystone | 16:53 |
lbragstad | header* | 16:53 |
lbragstad | which means specifying the algorithm and everything | 16:54 |
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lbragstad | as far as signing goes... i think regardess we're going to be using the same library | 17:01 |
lbragstad | (pyca/cryptography) | 17:01 |
lbragstad | jwt uses cryptography exclusively for signing operations | 17:02 |
lbragstad | python-jose gives you the option to use either | 17:02 |
lbragstad | pycrypto or cryptography | 17:02 |
lbragstad | but we've moved away from pycrypto (for python3 support iirc) | 17:02 |
lbragstad | and i believe the fernet implementation in pyca/cryptography uses the signing bits of the same library | 17:03 |
lbragstad | so - if there is ever a vulnerability in the signing implementation of cryptography, all our token formats would be susceptible | 17:04 |
lbragstad | paseto apparently uses a different signing approach | 17:10 |
lbragstad | https://github.com/stef/pysodium | 17:11 |
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gagehugo | the saltiest python library | 17:37 |
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knikolla | lbragstad: do we have a policy option for adding a role assignment for a project? | 18:35 |
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knikolla | the `openstack role add --user <user> --project <project>` call | 18:36 |
lbragstad | knikolla: yeah - i believe that is classified as a grant policy | 18:42 |
lbragstad | knikolla: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/common/policies/grant.py#L89-L101 | 18:43 |
knikolla | lbragstad: thanks, forgot about the word grant | 18:43 |
knikolla | wanted to see if we have enough granularity to say "allow people who have the project_admin role on a project to assign roles to people on that project" but that doesn't seem to be possible. | 18:44 |
lbragstad | knikolla: right - we'd need to deprecate that create_grant policy and provide a substitute at the project, domain, and system levels | 18:51 |
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gagehugo | lbragstad time to update that change | 19:57 |
gagehugo | all hail stein | 19:57 |
lbragstad | bah oh - really? | 19:58 |
lbragstad | lol | 19:59 |
openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/keystone master: Log warning when using token_flush https://review.openstack.org/556889 | 20:02 |
openstackgerrit | Gage Hugo proposed openstack/keystone master: Refactor list_users and related functions https://review.openstack.org/553880 | 20:03 |
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gagehugo | lbragstad missed one :) | 20:15 |
openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/keystone master: Log warning when using token_flush https://review.openstack.org/556889 | 20:15 |
lbragstad | gagehugo: ah, thanks! | 20:16 |
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