gumbyblake | sdake cleanup & reboot completed. running deploy now | 00:02 |
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sdake | with the registry commented out? | 00:03 |
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godleon | By the way, I found if I deploy kolla on existing OpenStack infra, the VIP is only pingable from network node, other nodes can not reach VIP. But If I deploy on bare metal, everything goes well. Did anyone hit similar issue as well before? | 00:15 |
sdake | that doesn't surprise me godleon | 00:17 |
sdake | my guess is multicast is turned off in the environment | 00:17 |
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godleon | oh? how can I turn it on on OpenStack infra .........?? | 00:19 |
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gumbyblake1 | sdake, same message after rebuild, registry section of /etc/kolla/globals.yaml looks like | 00:22 |
gumbyblake1 | #docker_registry: "172.16.0.10:4000" | 00:22 |
gumbyblake1 | #docker_registry_username: "sam" | 00:22 |
gumbyblake1 | #docker_registry_password: "correcthorsebatterystaple" | 00:22 |
sdake | ok | 00:23 |
sdake | godleon no idea | 00:23 |
sdake | godleon cloud providers typicqlly turn it off | 00:23 |
sdake | gumbyblake1 lets take a look at the glance-api logs | 00:23 |
gumbyblake1 | sdake I think you may be right it is permissions, but I can't work out where I can see logs to work out why | 00:23 |
sdake | docker exec heka cat /var/log/kolla/glance/api.log | 00:23 |
sdake | when did I ay anything about permissions? | 00:24 |
godleon | sdake: I saw kolla provides a heat configuration of Fedora for OpenStack, so I though kolla deployment could be tested on OpenStack. But I seems not now. | 00:25 |
gumbyblake1 | sdake oops, my mistake different discussion | 00:25 |
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sdake | the heat implementation is not functioanl | 00:28 |
sdake | if you want something that is, you can try vagrant | 00:28 |
sdake | by heat implementation i mean the part about the heat template for simulating an openstack environment | 00:28 |
godleon | sdake: not functional? really? :( | 00:28 |
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sdake | heat itself is | 00:29 |
sdake | but the development environment is not | 00:29 |
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godleon | sdake: many thanks for your information. I think I should switch to another platform to test the kolla deployment. So you suggest vagrant is a good choice? | 00:33 |
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godleon | sdake: If my laptop is not powerful enough, is there any other provider you suggest? | 00:33 |
sdake | your laptop can do the job of testing AIO | 00:34 |
sdake | 8gb of ram? | 00:34 |
gumbyblake1 | sdake not seeing anything obvious in my glance/api.log, except reference to Cinder | 00:34 |
sdake | your using cinder? | 00:35 |
sdake | i ccut my hand badly on the wall in a near fall, bbiaf | 00:35 |
sdake | blood everywhere | 00:35 |
gumbyblake1 | No, not using cinder which is a bit weird | 00:36 |
godleon | sdake: My laptop is weak, but I have few powerful servers, is it ok to use KVM to build the test environment for kolla deploy ? | 00:45 |
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godleon | sdake: I prefer do test on multiple nodes actually. | 00:46 |
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sdake | godleon yup use bare metal, thats what I do :) | 00:48 |
godleon | sdake: no, I mean use KVM to simulate the whole environment. | 00:49 |
godleon | sdake: but anyway, do it on bare metal is the best choice right? | 00:49 |
sdake | yup absolutely best choice | 00:49 |
sdake | i have 3 boxes with 32 gb ram | 00:50 |
sdake | and then I have an 9 node test cluster as well | 00:50 |
godleon | 9 physical nodes ? | 00:50 |
sdake | yup | 00:50 |
sdake | you can use just one or 3 if you like | 00:51 |
godleon | sdake: it's fancy. ok, I will do it on bare metal from now on. | 00:51 |
godleon | sdake: really appreciate for your advice. | 00:52 |
gumbyblake1 | sdake maybe my error is not storage. I have ComputeHostNotFound error in nova-conductor.log | 00:54 |
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sdake | run nova hypervisor-list | 00:58 |
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gumbyblake1 | sdake 1 | r610a.localdomain | up | enabled | | 01:00 |
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sdake | show me your e/tc/hosts file | 01:01 |
gumbyblake1 | 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain localhost4 localhost4.localdomain4 | 01:01 |
gumbyblake1 | ::1 localhost localhost.localdomain localhost6 localhost6.localdomain6 | 01:01 |
gumbyblake1 | 220.239.214.222r610a.localdomain r610a | 01:01 |
sdake | gumbyblake1 your on an AIO system? | 01:02 |
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gumbyblake1 | sdake yes AIO | 01:02 |
gumbyblake1 | sdake hope not silly question but the IP in /etc/hosts should not be the internal address of globals.yaml should it | 01:04 |
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sdake | no the IVP should be a unique address in your network | 01:10 |
sdake | that is unused by any other machine | 01:10 |
sdake | IVP/VIP | 01:10 |
gumbyblake1 | sdake, that is what I thought. Ip in globals.yaml is unused in network | 01:11 |
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gumbyblake1 | sdake now I am REALLY confused run error happens starting instance in horizon only | 01:16 |
sdake | ok i know that problem | 01:16 |
sdake | you have ot create a _member_ role | 01:16 |
sdake | we have an open bug on it | 01:16 |
sdake | v1k0d3n is planning to repair it | 01:16 |
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gumbyblake1 | sdake run this is CLI starts successfully "openstack server create --image cirros --flavor tiny --nic net-id=demo-net demo-instance | 01:16 |
gumbyblake1 | " | 01:16 |
sdake | this expains why i dont see iit, I don't use horizon to launch instance s;) | 01:17 |
gumbyblake1 | sdake neither do I usually, thought I would this time. So which role do I need to create ? | 01:17 |
sdake | _member_ | 01:17 |
sdake | let me see if I can find the bug | 01:17 |
sdake | https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1579822 | 01:18 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1579822 in kolla "_member_ role not defined in Horizon defaults" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Brandon B. Jozsa (bjozsa) | 01:18 |
gumbyblake1 | sdake, wow did not find that as known bug trying my troubleshooting. Thought I had messed up my install procedure | 01:19 |
sdake | instructions here http://www.jinkit.com/openstack-dockerized/ | 01:20 |
sdake | we will have it fixed shortly - v1k0d3n wanted to fix it as his first commit to openstack so we are holding back on fixing it for him :) | 01:20 |
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gumbyblake1 | sdake awesome, just checking adding role | 01:23 |
gumbyblake1 | sdake same error stating instance after adding _member_ role | 01:32 |
sdake | how did you add it? | 01:33 |
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gumbyblake1 | sdake as listed in junkit.com article, via horizon ->identity->roles | 01:37 |
sdake | hmm i am not sure maybe you ahve a different bug | 01:37 |
sdake | can you file one and i'll triage it | 01:37 |
sdake | and someone will get to it? | 01:38 |
sdake | we release z streams every 45 days | 01:38 |
sdake | (z stream = bug fix release) | 01:38 |
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gumbyblake1 | sdake yep can do that. Might also log the other weird issue I found on Centos7 with nova compute container error from jinja2 version causing deploy failure | 01:40 |
sdake | we require jinja 2.8 | 01:40 |
sdake | which versio ndid you have? | 01:40 |
gumbyblake1 | sdake yes, but the Centos 7 only gets 2.7, which causes a "not equal to" error during nova compute container build. Workaround I do is git clone git://github.com/mitsuhiko/jinja2.git | 01:43 |
gumbyblake1 | cd jinja2 | 01:43 |
gumbyblake1 | python setup.py develop | 01:43 |
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gumbyblake | sdake going to rebuild AIO physical box and see how I go, Openstack Melbourne meetup this afternoon so better get cracking | 01:50 |
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sdake | gumbyblake planning a demo? :) | 01:55 |
sdake | gumbyblake i'd recommend using pip to install inja2.8 not using python setup.py develop | 01:55 |
sdake | pip install jinja==2.8 | 01:55 |
sdake | but whats done is done ;) | 01:55 |
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gumbyblake | sdake, will try that as well. Don't mind complete rebuild as it proves my processes are repeatable {as long as it works} | 01:57 |
gumbyblake | sdake Once I am confident in my build I want to demo to Melbourne Openstack meetup | 01:59 |
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sdake | cool sounds good | 02:01 |
gumbyblake | sdake been I while since I did a mutinode packstack demo, deployment process has come a LONG way since that | 02:03 |
sdake | our goal was to make a next-gen deployment tool that offers past zero-day operational behavior | 02:04 |
sdake | every deployment tool is focused on deployment | 02:04 |
sdake | rather then continuing operations | 02:04 |
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sdake | we are just getting to the continuing operations part | 02:04 |
sdake | with things like upgrade and reconfigure | 02:04 |
sdake | we are going to add playbooks (or I pla nto submit reviews anyway) to improve operational experience further by adding compute/control/etc on the fly or removing them | 02:05 |
gumbyblake | sdake Another question {next lab mission} does multinode kolla deploy require local registry ? | 02:08 |
sdake | or the use of docker hub | 02:08 |
sdake | another really crazy way to do it is to preload your cache with images | 02:09 |
sdake | the downside of that is upgrades are a pita | 02:09 |
sdake | i'd highly recommend not depending on the cache in this way | 02:09 |
sdake | but using a registry of some type | 02:09 |
sdake | the cool thing about a registry is you hae one source of images | 02:10 |
gumbyblake | ok, sounds like local registry is the way, although I thought that was a bit complex to get up and running | 02:10 |
sdake | and a registry can be scaled out easily with further scalable storage | 02:10 |
sdake | its easy to get operating insecurely | 02:10 |
sdake | more difficult securely | 02:10 |
sdake | its a one liner insecurely | 02:10 |
gumbyblake | ok, does it take a huge amount of storage space ? | 02:10 |
sdake | there is no garbage collection in registry 2.3 | 02:11 |
sdake | so basically it grows and grows as you push new images | 02:11 |
sdake | 2.4 = gc release | 02:11 |
sdake | docker is on a 2 month release schedule with docker | 02:11 |
sdake | i think their registry is slower moving | 02:11 |
gumbyblake | what would initial space required be 10gb 100gb ? | 02:12 |
sdake | for one set of images it consums about 15gb of disk | 02:12 |
sdake | with btrfs graph driver | 02:12 |
sdake | which i'd highly recommend | 02:12 |
sdake | the alternatives are terrible | 02:12 |
sdake | overlayfs sort of works but i wouldn't trust it on centos | 02:13 |
sdake | in head of kernel.org it has alot of promise stability wise | 02:13 |
sdake | for centos we use an ovl plugin | 02:13 |
sdake | this makes rpm work with overlayfs | 02:13 |
sdake | i think the ovl plugin is buggy and its about 3 months old | 02:13 |
sdake | so ymmv with overlayfs and centos | 02:13 |
sdake | ubuntu didn't offer overlayfs in 14.04 | 02:13 |
sdake | not sure about 16.y | 02:13 |
sdake | lvm is flakey and upgrade with lvm doesn't work | 02:16 |
sdake | aufs is pretty solid on new ubuntu kernels | 02:16 |
gumbyblake | so centos 7 and btrfs would be stable enough environment | 02:17 |
sdake | i might consider that ahead of btrfs for ubuntu | 02:17 |
sdake | i'd bank my datacenter on it | 02:17 |
sdake | with backups of course ;) | 02:17 |
sdake | raid is not sufficient to protect against data loss | 02:17 |
sdake | even raid and ceph is not sufficient, although they may claim otherwise | 02:17 |
sdake | i really like glacier for backups | 02:18 |
sdake | but i also keep an onsite backup of my data | 02:18 |
sdake | as in glacier is a SECOND disaster recovery backup | 02:18 |
gumbyblake | agree I think ceph =/ backup either | 02:18 |
sdake | alot of people do | 02:18 |
sdake | its unfortunate | 02:18 |
sdake | peopels heads will roll when ceph eats their data | 02:19 |
sdake | the cool thing about cpeh is its super easy to backup | 02:19 |
sdake | i dont know if it has glacier integration but if it doesn't it should - would be a cool feature | 02:19 |
sdake | i have a diskstation NAS at my home office - all the data goes on it then to glacier at 22$ a month or so | 02:20 |
sdake | and have full gige to the internets | 02:20 |
gumbyblake | not familiar with glacier, sounds like I should have a look at least | 02:21 |
sdake | its an amazon logn term archiving tool | 02:22 |
sdake | it uses tapes and stuff | 02:22 |
sdake | tool/api | 02:22 |
sdake | just another form of online backup | 02:22 |
sdake | there are probably others out there that offer online backup | 02:22 |
sdake | my data preservation strategy in a data center would be backup ceph, make a second backup of ceph and send to offsite storage on a weekly basis, and execute an online backup to something like glacier | 02:23 |
sdake | also make a image of the machines | 02:24 |
sdake | or backup of the machines | 02:24 |
sdake | but the reality is nobody cares about backup | 02:24 |
sdake | they care about RESTORE | 02:24 |
gumbyblake | not quite true, nobody cares about backup UNTIL they need a restore | 02:25 |
sdake | right | 02:25 |
sdake | so at my wife's company long ago motorola | 02:25 |
sdake | they ha d a data loss of the entire email system | 02:25 |
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sdake | because nobody tested restore | 02:25 |
sdake | they made backup | 02:25 |
sdake | but never tested the restore | 02:25 |
sdake | NEVER TESTED I T | 02:25 |
sdake | they fired more then 20 people | 02:25 |
sdake | this wass in the old days when email required a staff of 50 people to execute | 02:25 |
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sdake | fortunately my wife worked at the help desk (out of school) | 02:26 |
sdake | and dodged the massive firing spree the execs went on | 02:26 |
sdake | they lost 10+ years of business intelligence stored in poeple's email boxes | 02:26 |
sdake | if google lost my email | 02:27 |
sdake | wow, i'd be furious | 02:27 |
sdake | if cisco lost my email | 02:27 |
sdake | pretty sure sprees would ensue | 02:27 |
sdake | google has a scale problem though, they dont actually backup their data ;) | 02:28 |
gumbyblake | i would think so...Centos 7 reinstall complete now doing all updates | 02:28 |
gumbyblake | i would hate to think if google did try and backup everything | 02:28 |
sdake | backup not involving physical separation of the data on a different media type is an antipattern imo in the world of backup | 02:28 |
sdake | we had data loss problem in 1.0.0 | 02:29 |
sdake | pretty much killed the release until we released 1.1.0 | 02:29 |
sdake | you ave to make it happen | 02:29 |
sdake | but its an easy eerror to trigger | 02:29 |
sdake | we used data containers which on reflection was not as good of an idea as I had originally thought | 02:30 |
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sdake | now we use named volumes which are far superior technology | 02:30 |
sdake | still given he greenness of kolla, i'd be careful to take backups seriously | 02:30 |
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sdake | not jut kolla though, any deployment solution | 02:30 |
gumbyblake | pretty crazy to deploy something without a recovery, unless recovery not required of course | 02:32 |
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sdake | if you do deploy a registry, and you plan to do it in production, i'd recommend a named volume for the registry data - or alternatively a host bind mount | 02:43 |
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sean-k-mooney_ | sdake: cinerama: hi, i doubt either of ye are awake right now but just wanted to let ye know i managed to complet my initall poc of the bifrost container. | 03:35 |
sdake | its only 8pm here so yes awake | 03:35 |
sdake | and that is fantastic news! | 03:35 |
sdake | not sure what tz cinerama is in | 03:35 |
sdake | that only took a couple of days | 03:36 |
sean-k-mooney_ | sdake: oh cool it 4:30 here but i could not sleep again | 03:36 |
sdake | am or pm? | 03:36 |
sean-k-mooney_ | am | 03:36 |
sdake | where are you located? | 03:36 |
sean-k-mooney_ | im in ireland | 03:36 |
sdake | nice | 03:36 |
sdake | make sure to get plenty of rest ;) | 03:36 |
sdake | but i hear ya, i wake up at 5-6 am daily - groan | 03:36 |
sean-k-mooney_ | haha i will, are you pst time? | 03:37 |
sean-k-mooney_ | in any case ill send a mail later summerising where i am with the poc. | 03:38 |
sean-k-mooney_ | basically i have built the container. deployed it manually and bootstraped it then i deployed a singel node using the bifrost enroll-dynamic and deploy-dynamic playbooks | 03:39 |
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sdake | i am mst | 03:47 |
sdake | sean-k-mooney_ sorry wife wanted to chat for a moent, didy ou split up the install as mentioned on the ml? | 03:48 |
sean-k-mooney_ | no worries. am yes i have a patch here https://github.com/SeanMooney/bifrost/commit/e223f4fe73871b76ce87999470a1efc43862671e | 03:50 |
sean-k-mooney_ | i need to decompose the patch in to smaller chunks and submit to gerrit for review by cinerama had sum suggestions of other ways to achive the same effect | 03:51 |
sean-k-mooney_ | basically all python and system packages are installed as part of the docker build, all config files are generated in the bootstrap which is when the os image is built | 03:53 |
sean-k-mooney_ | after the container is deployed | 03:53 |
sean-k-mooney_ | there is still quite a bit to do interms of bring the poc to something that production ready but it a step in the right direction | 03:55 |
sdake | systemd works in a container? | 03:57 |
sean-k-mooney_ | yes | 03:57 |
sean-k-mooney_ | if you follow the step in the offical centos docker hub page | 03:57 |
sdake | do you havce to bindmount anything to get that to work correctly? | 03:57 |
sean-k-mooney_ | am yes /sys/fs/cgroup | 03:58 |
sean-k-mooney_ | check out the"Dockerfile for systemd base image" section here https://hub.docker.com/_/centos/ | 03:59 |
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sdake | nice | 03:59 |
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sdake | may need to work on 14.04 as well without systemd | 04:00 |
sdake | we are still sorting that out | 04:00 |
sean-k-mooney_ | i had to also bind /dev to allow disk image builder to build the image. | 04:00 |
sdake | i like that less but as long as it runs on an undercloud node i guess that is ok | 04:01 |
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sean-k-mooney_ | am well when i first did this a few months ago manually i did it in a ubuntu container with upstart | 04:01 |
sean-k-mooney_ | the /dev bindmount could be skiped if we did not want to build the os image in the container. | 04:01 |
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sean-k-mooney_ | in theory it should acctully only need /dev/mapper but it basically need to be able to create a loop back device to generate the os image | 04:02 |
sdake | is the image customized in some way? | 04:02 |
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sean-k-mooney_ | it can be | 04:02 |
sean-k-mooney_ | i currently just used the default | 04:02 |
sdake | i think the default should be ok | 04:03 |
sdake | but i am not certain | 04:03 |
sdake | does it work with a default cloud image provided by distros? | 04:03 |
sean-k-mooney_ | the customisation of the image is discribe here https://github.com/openstack/bifrost/tree/fa5f65adeff340f8415be46754cb327a3912852d/playbooks/roles/bifrost-create-dib-image | 04:03 |
sean-k-mooney_ | i am not sure but it probably can use that as the base | 04:04 |
sdake | if we can get out of customizing the image we should imo :) | 04:05 |
sdake | as in use a distro provided image for imaging | 04:05 |
sean-k-mooney_ | well we should not need to customise the image but some people might want to and other might want to provide there own | 04:05 |
sdake | i am good with the provide your own model | 04:06 |
sdake | with customizations outside the container | 04:06 |
sdake | i htink effectivley controlling customization in a container would be tough | 04:06 |
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sdake | but i dont know as i'm not doing the work | 04:06 |
sdake | further i'm not sure what value customizing an image gives | 04:07 |
sdake | i can see alot of drawbacks to a custom image | 04:07 |
sean-k-mooney_ | that should be do able. bifrost provides the ansibel playbooks so we should be able to drive that from outside the container | 04:07 |
sdake | as in - you broke it you bought it mentality of distros | 04:07 |
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sdake | i've been playing around a bit with a deployment of cobbler | 04:07 |
sean-k-mooney_ | well it would allow you to do things like install docker or the kolla dependecies in the base image | 04:08 |
sean-k-mooney_ | but we discussed creating a playbook for that anyway | 04:08 |
sdake | oh hadn't thought of that | 04:08 |
sdake | ya we did discuss a separate playbook | 04:08 |
sdake | so people don't have to use ironic if htey choose not to do sos | 04:08 |
sean-k-mooney_ | yep | 04:08 |
sdake | bare metal imaging is a serious gap in the kolla solution | 04:08 |
sdake | i wanted our implementation of ironic to be bare metal as a service | 04:09 |
sdake | but i think that isn't viable after haering more info from our implementation | 04:09 |
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sdake | i didn't want our implemetnation of ironic to actually deploy the cloud | 04:10 |
sean-k-mooney_ | some of my team are trying to get the ironic support in kolla working also | 04:10 |
sdake | i prefer bifrost for that - community driven already a thing | 04:10 |
sdake | what i want is to be able to nova boot and specify a flavor | 04:10 |
sdake | and that flavor be bare metal | 04:10 |
sdake | and nova do the right thing with ironic with it | 04:11 |
sdake | but this idea is super complex | 04:11 |
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sean-k-mooney_ | well i think we will end up with two solutions | 04:11 |
sean-k-mooney_ | bifrost is good for deploying the cloud so i think we should use it for that | 04:11 |
sdake | could you expand? | 04:11 |
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sean-k-mooney_ | and then fix the ironic support so it can provide metal as a service | 04:12 |
sdake | rockin | 04:12 |
sdake | if you solve those two problems yo uwould seriously be my hero :) | 04:12 |
sdake | even solving one is approaching hero status :) | 04:12 |
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sean-k-mooney_ | haha we my team has been trying to deploy kollas ironic support for about a month or so. | 04:13 |
sdake | its not ready to go - i know that much | 04:13 |
sean-k-mooney_ | we are close to getting it working in our lab but not quite there. | 04:13 |
sdake | do you hae any more info? | 04:13 |
sdake | you work at intel right? | 04:13 |
sean-k-mooney_ | the stumbleing block we are hitting curretnly is with the pxe boot. yes i do | 04:14 |
sdake | are you aprt of inc0's org | 04:14 |
sdake | or a different part of intel? | 04:14 |
sean-k-mooney_ | im in a different or specifcally the Network Plathform Group or NPG for short | 04:15 |
sdake | ya i was in npg i think, in SPD | 04:15 |
sdake | storage products division | 04:15 |
sdake | i don't recall exactly - i was a RCG :) | 04:15 |
sdake | so didn't totally understand the hierarchial natuer of business | 04:15 |
sean-k-mooney_ | you were at intel before? i did not know that | 04:15 |
sean-k-mooney_ | ah ok | 04:16 |
sdake | for 3 or 4 years out of school | 04:16 |
sdake | then montavista for 5 years | 04:16 |
sdake | then redhat for 9 | 04:16 |
sdake | then cisco for closing in on 2 | 04:16 |
sdake | i worked at the intel plant in arizona | 04:16 |
sdake | c6 | 04:16 |
sdake | everyone was really hot on getting promoted there | 04:17 |
sdake | i recall that part about intel | 04:17 |
sean-k-mooney_ | that a cool list. i have been at intel for about 2 and a half year maybe a little longer. | 04:17 |
sdake | i was sort of a team lead there - had two people | 04:17 |
sdake | but i was super green | 04:17 |
sdake | i think they were trying to turn me into an early people manager | 04:17 |
sdake | which i sort of do now | 04:18 |
sdake | but i do many other things as well | 04:18 |
sdake | but intel pay was pretty low for me at the time - grade 5 | 04:18 |
sdake | so went to startup for 30% raise | 04:18 |
sdake | montavista was a good experience | 04:19 |
sdake | even though we didn't make any money | 04:19 |
sdake | red hat was even better | 04:19 |
sdake | i really like cisco as well | 04:19 |
sdake | i can't say i have had a bad gig yet | 04:19 |
sean-k-mooney_ | well so long as you get to work with good people on topic that are interesting and can live comfortably then you will enjoy your work | 04:20 |
sean-k-mooney_ | so far i have been look to have all 3 | 04:21 |
sean-k-mooney_ | though i do sometimes think intel would like me to do more people managing then coding at times | 04:21 |
sean-k-mooney_ | or at least attend a lot of mettings instead of coding | 04:22 |
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sean-k-mooney_ | any way im going to call it a night. ill be online again in the after noon gmt and will send an email summary when i get into the office. | 04:26 |
sdake | later thanks :) | 04:27 |
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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/kolla-mesos: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/315355 | 05:35 |
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openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: Configure the rabbitmq ha policy in config file https://review.openstack.org/315380 | 07:04 |
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openstackgerrit | Martin André proposed openstack/kolla: Simplify image building information in quickstart https://review.openstack.org/315390 | 07:42 |
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openstackgerrit | Martin André proposed openstack/kolla: Simplify image building information in quickstart https://review.openstack.org/315390 | 07:50 |
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openstackgerrit | Swapnil Kulkarni (coolsvap) proposed openstack/kolla: Update advanced configuration https://review.openstack.org/315405 | 08:23 |
openstackgerrit | Swapnil Kulkarni (coolsvap) proposed openstack/kolla: Update Cinder guide https://review.openstack.org/315407 | 08:24 |
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openstackgerrit | Swapnil Kulkarni (coolsvap) proposed openstack/kolla: Update advanced configuration https://review.openstack.org/315405 | 08:31 |
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openstackgerrit | Swapnil Kulkarni (coolsvap) proposed openstack/kolla: Update Cinder guide https://review.openstack.org/315407 | 08:36 |
openstackgerrit | Swapnil Kulkarni (coolsvap) proposed openstack/kolla: Update advanced configuration https://review.openstack.org/315405 | 08:40 |
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openstackgerrit | Swapnil Kulkarni (coolsvap) proposed openstack/kolla: Update Cinder guide https://review.openstack.org/315407 | 08:47 |
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openstackgerrit | Martin André proposed openstack/kolla: [WIP] Add support for third party plugins https://review.openstack.org/315027 | 09:13 |
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openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: Configure the rabbitmq ha policy in config file https://review.openstack.org/315380 | 11:06 |
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ccesario | morning guys! | 11:14 |
openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: DO NOT MERGE: TEST MASTER BRANCH https://review.openstack.org/294906 | 11:19 |
openstackgerrit | Swapnil Kulkarni (coolsvap) proposed openstack/kolla: Update Cinder guide https://review.openstack.org/315407 | 11:29 |
coolsvap | sbezverk, ping | 11:30 |
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sbezverk | coolsvap hey | 11:30 |
coolsvap | sbezverk, thanks for pointing me to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314150 | 11:31 |
coolsvap | sbezverk, will there be some documentation related to this change? | 11:31 |
coolsvap | i think there will be | 11:31 |
sbezverk | coolsvap yes, config will be simplified. I need to run now bb in 30 minutes. | 11:32 |
sbezverk | coolsvap I can add config as it will be at the final stage to you doc ps. | 11:32 |
coolsvap | sbezverk, sure i will also move we can discuss later just one point if you need any doc change feel free to add to my patchset | 11:33 |
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coolsvap | i have added depends on to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314150 in my doc patch set | 11:34 |
coolsvap | sbezverk, ^ | 11:34 |
coolsvap | sbezverk, later | 11:34 |
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openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: DO NOT MERGE: TEST MASTER BRANCH https://review.openstack.org/294906 | 11:50 |
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sbezverk | coolsvap sounds good.. if you have time, could you also review that PS please.. | 12:04 |
openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: Enable the openstack logging debug in the gate https://review.openstack.org/315505 | 12:09 |
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mlima | morning guys | 12:18 |
openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: DO NOT MERGE: TEST MASTER BRANCH https://review.openstack.org/294906 | 12:20 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: Revert "Install master's version of an RDO keystone" https://review.openstack.org/299540 | 12:22 |
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mlima | Jeffrey4l, can you test this ps https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310261/ ? | 12:45 |
patchbot | mlima: patch 310261 - kolla - Make Heka collect Ceph logs | 12:45 |
Jeffrey4l | sorry, I have no env for testing this mlima :( | 12:46 |
mlima | ok Jeffrey4l, no problem | 12:46 |
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openstackgerrit | Md Nadeem proposed openstack/kolla: Added unit test for check container https://review.openstack.org/286513 | 13:02 |
openstackgerrit | Md Nadeem proposed openstack/kolla: Added unit test for kolla_docker https://review.openstack.org/285138 | 13:02 |
openstackgerrit | Md Nadeem proposed openstack/kolla: WIP: Added unit test for check_container_differ https://review.openstack.org/315533 | 13:02 |
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openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: Fix the virt_type in the gate https://review.openstack.org/315549 | 13:11 |
mdnadeem_ | Jeffrey4l, Hello | 13:13 |
Jeffrey4l | mdnadeem_, hi | 13:13 |
mdnadeem_ | To load unit test to gate , i need to edit this line https://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/master/.testr.conf#L5? | 13:13 |
mdnadeem_ | by ${OS_TEST_PATH:-./ansible/tests/unit} | 13:13 |
mdnadeem_ | Please correct me if i am wrong | 13:14 |
* Jeffrey4l is checking that. | 13:14 | |
Jeffrey4l | mdnadeem_, no. that is not right. it will result in the current tests is not loaded. I am searching the solution. | 13:17 |
mdnadeem_ | Jeffrey4l, ok, i am too try to find it | 13:18 |
Jeffrey4l | mdnadeem_, one solution is: move the test_docker to the <kolla>/tests/unit folder. | 13:20 |
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dims | rhallisey : once these land, i'll look at CI options - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/kolla-kubernetes+is:open | 13:21 |
mdnadeem_ | Jeffrey4l, ok, i will do it if not find any better solution, Thanks :) | 13:22 |
Jeffrey4l | my pleasure. :D | 13:23 |
openstackgerrit | Swapnil Kulkarni (coolsvap) proposed openstack/kolla: Update advanced configuration https://review.openstack.org/315405 | 13:26 |
openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: DO NOT MERGE: TEST MASTER BRANCH https://review.openstack.org/294906 | 13:28 |
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openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: Collect more info from the gate for debug https://review.openstack.org/315505 | 13:35 |
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rhallisey | dims, awesome thanks! | 13:39 |
rhallisey | dims, I'll knock out a few services this weekend | 13:39 |
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sdake | morning | 14:08 |
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coolsvap | morning sdake | 14:13 |
sdake | hey coolsvap | 14:13 |
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dims | rhallisey : sounds great! | 14:17 |
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rhallisey | dims, just finishing reviewing your patching one minute. I'm still trying to work out the bootstrapping | 14:17 |
dims | rhallisey : the bootstrap job mounts the host directory runs KOLLA_BOOTSTRAP and exists. meanwhile the service keeps retrying till it succeeds | 14:19 |
dims | right now i start the bootstrap job and service at the same time, we can run the bootstrap job and wait for it to finish if we want to do that later | 14:19 |
coolsvap | rhallisey, dims i am setting up the k8s env will be with you guys sooner | 14:19 |
dims | coolsvap : y join the fun | 14:20 |
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rhallisey | dims, I think it should be done at two separate task. I'm not 100% sold on the workflow though | 14:30 |
rhallisey | dims, the job would need to be moved our of the mariadb dir | 14:31 |
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openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: DO NOT MERGE: TEST MASTER BRANCH https://review.openstack.org/294906 | 14:31 |
rhallisey | the other option I've been thinking of is two different pods | 14:31 |
dims | rhallisey : the main issue is how to share the same volume between 2 things | 14:31 |
rhallisey | one pod that has a bootstrap container as a sidecar | 14:31 |
rhallisey | dims, if they are in different dirs? | 14:32 |
rhallisey | hostpath should create the dir on the host | 14:32 |
dims | if i use emptyDir volume that is specific to the pod | 14:32 |
dims | so i ended up using hostPath so the same volume can be shared by the pod and the job | 14:33 |
dims | y, different directories sounds good | 14:33 |
rhallisey | ok gotcha | 14:33 |
dims | we'll need something better when we go to multi node | 14:34 |
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rhallisey | dims, ya totally agree, the persistent storage is wide open in that case | 14:36 |
rhallisey | ceph,nfs,ect.. | 14:36 |
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sbezverk_ | rhallisey dims which service you plan to take on next? I want to pick one up as well and do not want collision.. | 14:48 |
dims | sbezverk_ : i'll switch to looking at a CI, so you and rhallisey can trade :) | 14:49 |
rhallisey | sbezverk_ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla-kubernetes/+spec/openstack-services | 14:51 |
rhallisey | I added the list of services to the whiteboard | 14:51 |
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sbezverk_ | rhallisey thanks | 14:52 |
dims | oooh, i forgot about rabbitmq, i picked that one | 14:54 |
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sbezverk_ | dims: rhallisey: iut looks like next available is glance, so I pick it up then.. | 14:58 |
rhallisey | sbezverk_, refresh your page | 14:58 |
rhallisey | sbezverk_, you can have it, I'll move to nova | 14:59 |
rhallisey | sbezverk_, some food for thought http://blog.kubernetes.io/2015/06/the-distributed-system-toolkit-patterns.html | 15:00 |
rhallisey | dims, ^ also | 15:00 |
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sbezverk | rhallisey interesting article, it goes along to want I suggested for logging ;-) | 15:13 |
rhallisey | ya | 15:13 |
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sdake | fantastic news on the ironic front | 15:18 |
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sdake | ironic implementation - WIP | 15:24 |
sdake | https://github.com/SeanMooney/bifrost/commit/e223f4fe73871b76ce87999470a1efc43862671e | 15:24 |
sdake | sean-k-mooney also indicated epople in his group are working on a bare metal as a service implementation from our current ironic codebase | 15:25 |
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openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: Fix the virt_type in the gate https://review.openstack.org/315549 | 15:28 |
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sdake | Jeffrey4l how goes it | 15:28 |
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Jeffrey4l | sdake, fine. thanks :D | 15:29 |
sdake | good to hear :) | 15:29 |
sdake | wanted to ask - is rabbitmq not working at all fory ou | 15:29 |
sdake | or just not in the gate? | 15:29 |
sdake | because stable/mitaka work fine for me | 15:30 |
vhosakot | sdake: yes. stable/mitaka and master both work fine for me.... I see the rabbitm crash just on centos gate | 15:30 |
Jeffrey4l | sdake, rabbitmq crash on the gate only. I tested it locally. never saw that issue. | 15:30 |
Jeffrey4l | that's very wired. | 15:31 |
sdake | my guess is oom becaue of the busted lgoging | 15:31 |
sdake | did you try dmesg | 15:31 |
sdake | to see if oom killer triggered | 15:31 |
sbezverk | dims ping | 15:33 |
Jeffrey4l | not try that. But I do not think is is OOM. the rabbitmq container crash immediately after started. | 15:34 |
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Jeffrey4l | here is the dmesg log. http://logs.openstack.org/06/294906/25/check/gate-kolla-dsvm-deploy-centos-binary/0ca7b79/logs/kolla/dmesg.log | 15:36 |
Jeffrey4l | no OOM info. sdake ^ | 15:36 |
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sdake | how about selinux audit log | 15:37 |
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sdake | maybe selinux is triggering the segfault | 15:37 |
sdake | we changed images to bindep recently | 15:38 |
sdake | it is possible something isn't labeled correctly | 15:38 |
sdake | if you can get me a selinux audit and thats the problem, I can get the images fixed | 15:38 |
sdake | possibly :) | 15:38 |
Jeffrey4l | i will try that. | 15:39 |
sdake | did thi happen right prior to summit? | 15:40 |
sdake | that is when we changed images | 15:40 |
dave-mccowan | sdake did you get your mac updated to work with openstack commands over TLS? | 15:42 |
sdake | dave-mccowan i switched back to my main mac, so never got back to that problem | 15:42 |
sdake | but my main mac works | 15:42 |
dave-mccowan | sdake what openssl version is on your main mac? | 15:42 |
sdake | command to run? | 15:43 |
dave-mccowan | openssl version | 15:43 |
Jeffrey4l | no. I think this happen recently. | 15:43 |
sdake | OpenSSL 0.9.8zh 14 Jan 2016 | 15:43 |
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dave-mccowan | sdake wow. not what i was expecting. do you know where you got that? (do you use homebrew or anything custom?) | 15:44 |
openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Add Mariadb service https://review.openstack.org/314990 | 15:45 |
dims | sbezverk : pong | 15:46 |
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sbezverk | dims I am looking for a confirmation if we go with one container one pod or one pod multiple containers servicing the same openstack service.. | 15:48 |
sbezverk | example one pod glance with two container glance-api and glance-registry | 15:48 |
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sbezverk | or each of these will get their own pod | 15:49 |
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dims | sbezverk : guess they can each have their own pod | 15:49 |
dims | unless rhallisey has a different view | 15:50 |
sdake | dave-mccowan no but I instaleld about 6-9 months ago | 15:50 |
sdake | no on homebrew | 15:50 |
sdake | just normal installation | 15:50 |
rhallisey | sbezverk, one pod for glance-api and registry | 15:50 |
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dims | rhallisey : sbezverk : i don't have a strong opinion, so let's do that ^^ | 15:51 |
sbezverk | rhallisey so one pod glance with two containers in it | 15:51 |
sbezverk | right? | 15:51 |
rhallisey | that way they share pid namespaces, volumes, ect.. | 15:52 |
rhallisey | sbezverk, yes | 15:53 |
sbezverk | dims in this case when you build pod, could you start them with - name:, cause keystone pod start with - image | 15:53 |
rhallisey | pods are meant to be groups of similar containers | 15:53 |
rhallisey | that work together or have commonalities | 15:53 |
sbezverk | rhallisey Oh I agree 110% I think it is the right aproach | 15:53 |
rhallisey | I'm open to counter arguments though | 15:53 |
rhallisey | but that's the 'kubernetes way' | 15:54 |
sbezverk | rhallisey this approach helps to save on shared volumes :-) | 15:54 |
rhallisey | dims, do you agree or have any objections? | 15:55 |
rhallisey | sbezverk, ya the idea would be that kubernetes looks at glance as a service that it needs to keep healthy | 15:56 |
sbezverk | rhallisey there is one "but" the way we push configs to the containers, needs to be changed I think. before we had one container one config folder approach | 15:57 |
sbezverk | but now we will need to look inside that common config folder and check for a specific service example glance-config/api or glance-config/regtistry | 15:58 |
rhallisey | sbezverk, can't you inject all files in a directory into a config map | 15:58 |
rhallisey | then let the containers sort out what they need | 15:58 |
sbezverk | rhallisey absolutely but container must be aware from which directory grab these files | 15:59 |
sbezverk | rhallisey or we could just dump all config files in the same folder | 15:59 |
sbezverk | and let container pick up what it needs.. | 16:00 |
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rhallisey | sbezverk, let me get back to you on this. I need to review the configmap stuff a little more | 16:01 |
sbezverk | rhallisey sounds good.. | 16:03 |
v1k0d3n | sdake: hey man | 16:05 |
v1k0d3n | how does your day look? | 16:05 |
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Serlex | hi, silly question, if horizon is throwing "Unable to retrieve hypervisor information", which container should I start my investigaton? | 16:07 |
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dims | rhallisey : no objections | 16:11 |
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openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: DO NOT MERGE: TEST MASTER BRANCH https://review.openstack.org/294906 | 16:15 |
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openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: Collect more info from the gate for debug https://review.openstack.org/315505 | 16:19 |
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openstackgerrit | Mauricio Lima proposed openstack/kolla: Manila driver session is needed only in manila-share https://review.openstack.org/311232 | 16:28 |
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openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: [WIP] Add RabbitMQ service https://review.openstack.org/315667 | 16:44 |
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sdake | v1k0d3n looking ok in the afternoon i think let me check my calendar | 16:53 |
sdake | v1k0d3n 1pm pst onward is open | 16:53 |
sdake | v1k0d3n did you say if you were on a mac or pc to run webex? | 16:56 |
v1k0d3n | sdake: i'm on a mac | 16:57 |
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v1k0d3n | 1PM what time zone? i'm eastern. | 16:57 |
sdake | pst | 16:57 |
sdake | its 10am atm for me | 16:57 |
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d_code | sdake: I know you’re just gonna shake your head…the issue with couldn’t create log volume, is that EPEL pushed Ansible 2.0.2.0 to the repos (soon will be 2.1), and that broke in trying to `generate_nested_module()` | 17:00 |
d_code | installing the `ansible1.9` package fixed it | 17:00 |
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v1k0d3n | sdake: can we meet any time after? push it back 30 mins or so? have a meeting at 4pm (1 your time), but won't last long. | 17:13 |
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openstackgerrit | Swapnil Kulkarni (coolsvap) proposed openstack/kolla: Update Cinder guide https://review.openstack.org/315407 | 17:57 |
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openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/kolla: Avoid _ in rabbitmq_clusterer.config https://review.openstack.org/315701 | 18:05 |
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dims | sdake : rhallisey : is this acceptable issue to fix in kolla itself? ^^ | 18:07 |
v1k0d3n | sdake: let's do 1:30. do you want to email me a webex invite? | 18:10 |
sdake | v1k0d3n lets connect on irc - and i'll link you my private room | 18:11 |
sdake | dims looks good but needs a bug id | 18:11 |
v1k0d3n | ok | 18:11 |
dims | sdake : ack will create a bug | 18:11 |
sdake | the only reqason i care about bug ids is for backport tracking | 18:11 |
sdake | we probably wouldn't backport this | 18:11 |
sdake | but i think its good to get in the habit of considering backports for any patch and then jut not actually backporting | 18:12 |
sdake | but its possible we might backport this - ijust dont know | 18:12 |
sdake | and once its in, its alot harder to backport without a bug id | 18:13 |
openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/kolla: Avoid _ in rabbitmq_clusterer.config https://review.openstack.org/315701 | 18:14 |
dims | ack. done. | 18:14 |
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rhallisey | dims, nice | 18:16 |
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openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Add RabbitMQ service https://review.openstack.org/315667 | 18:22 |
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mark-casey | sdake: v1k0d3n: assuming it's cool w/ you I'm a bit tempted to join your howto session | 18:33 |
sdake | sure if your on windows or macos | 18:34 |
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sdake | webex doesn't work on linux | 18:34 |
mark-casey | yeah, windows. 1:30 pst? | 18:34 |
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v1k0d3n | mark-casey: fine with me. sure. | 18:42 |
sbezverk_ | dims: rhallisey: I think I am still missing some config..when I try to run kolla_kubernetes I am getting this error: http://paste.openstack.org/show/496961/ any ideas? | 18:43 |
rhallisey | sbezverk_, ya I'll try and fix that | 18:44 |
rhallisey | sbezverk_, it's the same for me | 18:44 |
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sbezverk_ | rhallisey thanks pelase let me know when you have new version | 18:49 |
dims | sbezverk_ : can you try something for me? create a directory /usr/local/share/kolla/services and drop all the files/directories from kolla-kubernetes/services | 18:51 |
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sbezverk_ | dims one sec, trying it | 18:54 |
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sbezverk_ | dims: same thing, maybe I should use /usr/share/kolla/services? | 18:55 |
dims | sbezverk_ : let me get out my venv and try a pip install like you | 18:56 |
sbezverk_ | dims: /usr/share/kolla/services does not work either | 18:56 |
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dims | sbezverk : rhallisey : hmm, we need a lot of clean up :) | 19:10 |
rhallisey | :) | 19:11 |
dims | rhallisey : i was focusing on the narrow path that worked for me :) | 19:12 |
rhallisey | no worries | 19:12 |
sbezverk | dims right now your patch seems the only option avaiable to test building pod/service process | 19:15 |
sbezverk | as there is nothing else processing jinja2 variables | 19:16 |
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sbezverk | rhallisey what do you use to process jinja2 variables when you build k8s objects? | 19:17 |
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rhallisey | I didn't template in my keystone patch | 19:18 |
rhallisey | dims did after the cli was added | 19:18 |
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sbezverk | rhallisey got it, so we need then dims patch ;-) | 19:21 |
rhallisey | ya we need a common tool | 19:21 |
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openstackgerrit | Serguei Bezverkhi proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Add Glance's kubernetes objects https://review.openstack.org/315768 | 20:43 |
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v1k0d3n | hey | 20:54 |
mark-casey | hello | 20:54 |
v1k0d3n | mark-casey: sdake around? | 20:54 |
v1k0d3n | i got caught up. | 20:54 |
mark-casey | I haven't seen him recently | 20:55 |
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sdake | hey folks | 21:06 |
sdake | v1k0d3n hey - sorry was sleeping earlier | 21:06 |
v1k0d3n | quite alright man. i'm sure you're still just trying to feel better. | 21:07 |
v1k0d3n | sdake: now good or later? | 21:07 |
v1k0d3n | your call. | 21:07 |
sdake | give me 15 mins to eake up | 21:07 |
v1k0d3n | no problem. | 21:07 |
sdake | sorry - feeling il sucks | 21:07 |
sdake | being il lthat is | 21:07 |
v1k0d3n | sdake: i don't know anyone who does. this is when i'm thankful i have a desk job for the most part :) | 21:11 |
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openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Major Cleanup - Get command line working https://review.openstack.org/315776 | 21:13 |
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dims | sbezverk : rhallisey : deleted 200 lines :) now it works. how knew | 21:15 |
dims | s/how/who/ | 21:16 |
sdake | mark-casey ping | 21:17 |
mark-casey | ping | 21:19 |
mark-casey | err | 21:19 |
mark-casey | yea | 21:19 |
mark-casey | sdake: pong | 21:22 |
sdake | mark-casey you ready to get together with v1k0d3n and me as we go through how to add bootstrap code | 21:22 |
mark-casey | yes | 21:22 |
v1k0d3n | perfect, excited to get started. | 21:22 |
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sdake_ | https://cisco.webex.com/join/stdake | 21:24 |
sdake_ | v1k0d3n mark-casey ^ | 21:24 |
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rhallisey | dims, I'll add what I have on top of that | 21:27 |
dims | rhallisey : ack thanks | 21:27 |
v1k0d3n | meeting went away | 21:27 |
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rhallisey | dims, nice job on the cleanup :) | 21:33 |
dims | rhallisey : i felt like i was playing Fruit Ninja :) | 21:34 |
rhallisey | ha | 21:34 |
openstackgerrit | Waldemar Znoinski proposed openstack/kolla: add support for non-default database_port in kolla/ansible https://review.openstack.org/313595 | 21:35 |
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sbezverk | dims should I try it now? | 21:40 |
dims | sbezverk : yes please | 21:41 |
dims | should print much better logs on where it is trying to look for stuff | 21:41 |
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sdake | sbezverk can you paste the output of openstack role list | 21:43 |
sbezverk | sdake http://paste.openstack.org/show/496984/ | 21:47 |
sbezverk | dims I tried to patch latest master kubernetes-kolla and it failed.. | 21:47 |
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sdake | sbezverk when you run the command doesi t print out per line? | 21:48 |
sbezverk | dims http://paste.openstack.org/show/496986/ | 21:48 |
sbezverk | sdake http://paste.openstack.org/show/496988/ | 21:49 |
rhallisey | dims, ya forgot to mention there are some merge conflicts :) | 21:49 |
rhallisey | dims, I'll fix it though when I commit on top | 21:49 |
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rhallisey | hopefully soon.. | 21:49 |
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rhallisey | I'm going to split out bootstrap and run tasks | 21:54 |
sbezverk | dims I looked at the code and it looks like you expect some env variables to be setup, where these variables get set? or it has to be done before running the script? | 21:57 |
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godleon | Hi all, does kolla support specifying vlan tag so far? | 21:59 |
godleon | e. g. For storage network | 22:00 |
rhallisey | sbezverk, I added you as a kube core btw | 22:00 |
rhallisey | sbezverk, if you didn't get that message earlier | 22:00 |
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sbezverk | rhallisey thank you, no I did not see anything.. | 22:01 |
rhallisey | sbezverk, ok you should have +2 powers now | 22:01 |
sbezverk | rhallisey nice :-) | 22:02 |
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dims | sbezverk : you won't need to setup anything | 22:07 |
dims | i mean environment variable | 22:07 |
sbezverk | dims ok | 22:07 |
dims | you will need 2 directories one for services/ and one for bootstrap/ copied over to /usr and the failure should tell you where it is looking under /usr | 22:07 |
dims | i gotta run. back in a bit | 22:08 |
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