Sunday, 2016-06-05

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Mech422pbourke: ping?00:27
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Mech422sdake: Hey! got a sec ?00:44
sdakesure00:44
Mech422I think I found the problem with the ceph stuff...00:45
Mech422I think its just a bad parse of some output - but my jinja foo is weak00:45
Mech422the play starting at line 10 - does it look valid to you ? https://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/stable/mitaka/ansible/roles/ceph/tasks/start_osds.yml00:46
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sdakeMech422 fwiw, set-fact changes between ansible 1.9.4 and 2.0.z01:07
sdakeas in ansible 1.94 it odesnt work great01:07
sdakein 2.0.z it works better01:07
Mech422I'm on 1.9.4 (as per the docs...)01:08
sdakethe syntax looks correct01:08
sdakeare you using a sstable branch?01:08
Mech422yeah - stable/mitaka tag, with openstack_version: 2.0.101:08
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Mech422I was hoping it was just the jinja...01:08
sdakestable branches us e1.9.401:08
sdakeMech422 the best person to ask would be jeffrey4l01:08
sdakeif the syntax is correct, he can probably figure out a workaround to whatever bug in ansible your running into01:09
sdakeMech422 my ansible-foo is not genius level either ;)01:09
Mech422sdake: thanks - if the jinja looks ok - I think its probably bootstrap_osd not doing a partprobe after changing the partition name01:09
Mech422I was just hoping it was a silly jinja thing01:09
sdakeMech422 personally I think the problem may hae to do with this line01:10
sdakehttps://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/stable/mitaka/ansible/roles/ceph/tasks/start_osds.yml#L401:10
sdakeas in find_disks.py needs work to support the use case01:10
sdakeyour doing multiple partitions right?01:10
Mech422sdake: http://pastebin.com/cBKwVvkZ01:10
Mech422yeah - its 'working' if I run kolla-ansible deploy TWICE ...01:11
Mech422but then it thinks I have x2 as many partitions and half are down :-/01:11
Mech422sdake: in line 82 of that pastebin - osds is empty01:11
Mech422sdake: so the 'mount' play doesn't fire01:12
Mech422I just needed to figure out if it was empty because of the parse, or because of something in bootstrap_osd01:12
sdakeya that could be because set-facts is busted01:12
Mech422sdake: hmm...01:12
sdakeset_facts doesn't always apply to the thing it should be applied to01:12
Mech422sdake: oh joy :-)01:13
sdakeyup01:13
sdakewe have hacks all over the code base to deal with it01:13
sdakeits not an insurmountable problem01:13
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sdakeeven though ansible is broken01:13
sdakewe have worked aroudn other ansible brokenness01:13
sdakebut set_facts being broken here is purely speculation01:13
sdakeall that osd setup = black magic :)01:13
Mech422sdake: any google fodder you can recommend to get to that set_fact bug ? I'll see if I can find a work around01:14
Mech422sdake: actually - its not that bad...01:14
Mech422https://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/stable/mitaka/docker/ceph/ceph-osd/extend_start.sh01:14
sdakeMech422 I'm a project team lead01:14
Mech422that does the actual device/partition setup01:14
sdakeMech422 what that means is I can't be expert in every detail - becaue I have to manage the overall project01:15
sdakeMech422 that is why I point you at jeffrey4l, because he is an expert in this area :)01:15
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Mech422sdake: oh yeah - I understand... the 'its not that bad' was more an expression of surprise01:15
Mech422sdake: I expected it to be much more insidious :-P01:15
sdakeya i agree its not bad01:15
sdakeI understnad it01:16
sdakewhat i'm getting at is I have struggled to become an expert in ansible01:16
sdakegiven the workload I have maintaing the project01:16
sdakewhich mostly looks "invisible" to other people01:16
sdakebut its work tha tneeds to be done01:16
sdakeand it doens't do itself01:16
Mech422sdake: LOL - preaching to the choir here man...my ansible fu sucks - I just throw "{{ and }}" at stuff till it works :-P01:17
sdakeso instead of me making every technical decision or implementation, I rely on our team to do the job01:17
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Mech422sdake: sorry...I didn't mean to annoy you...01:18
Mech422sdake: I appreciate the help you've given me :-)01:18
sdakeyou don't annoy me01:18
sdakesorry I don't mean to come off  rude01:19
sdakejust tryign to explain that other people know certain parts of kolla techniclly then i do01:19
sdakebecause they are closer to that work01:19
Mech422sdake: oh yeah - thats understandable, no need to explain :-)01:19
sdakePTL used to be a project technical lead01:20
sdakewhich was double duty01:20
sdakerun the project and be a complete and total technical expert in every aspect of  the system01:20
Mech422uggh01:20
sdakeI'm glad the term was changed01:21
sdakeand in our community I escalate these sorts of issues to the experts01:21
sdakein that area01:21
sdakejeffrey4l is your man :)01:21
Mech422Cool :-)01:21
sdakeits a shame he isn't on - he is in china01:21
sdakeso he may be sleeping or something01:22
Mech422eh - no biggie... I'm an old fart with nothing to do on Sat. Night...01:22
Mech422so I can muck about with it - the code is nice and clean, so its prolly just something silly like set_fact being a pain01:22
Mech422hopefully when Jeffrey41 comes back, I can tell him more then 'duh! I broke it!' :-)01:23
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sdake_Mech422 i'm an aold fart too01:40
sdake_i turned 42 yesterday01:40
Mech422sdake_: I turned 45ish in may :-)01:42
Mech422sdake_: and happy belated b'day! :-)01:42
sdake_thanks01:45
sdake_lucky number 4201:45
Mech422sdake_: tis the answer to .... everything!01:45
Mech422sdake_: life .. the universe, even!01:46
sdake_indeed interesting number ;)01:46
Mech422sdake_: Did you do anything special ?01:47
sdake_worked from 6am to midnight01:47
sdake_like i do ever yday01:47
Mech422sdake_: LOL - thats a young mans game...01:48
Mech422sdake_: time to relax a lil :-)01:48
Mech422sdake_: a nice island vacation might be appropriate for such an auspicious event...01:49
Mech422sdake_: warm sand, warm water, cold rum :-)01:50
sdake_Mech422 i've been working like this for about 15 years01:53
sdake_although i take 1-2 month long breaks occasionally01:54
sdake_where I do nothing ;)01:54
sdake_you have heard of people that dont know how to relax right01:54
sdake_well, in reality, relaxation causes stress in US trained workforce people01:55
sdake_because relaxation leads to boredom01:55
sdake_and bordom causes stress01:55
sdake_there are hundreds of phschology papers on the subject01:55
sdake_i stay balanced by working hard01:55
sdake_;)01:56
sdake_imagine 23 hours a day of lockup in prison01:56
sdake_you know why its not 24 hours?01:56
sdake_those people that are locked up 23 hours a day01:57
sdake_they should be locked up 2401:57
sdake_they rae that dangerous01:57
sdake_(in most cases:)01:57
sdake_always qualify :)01:57
sdake_but they need 1 hour of non-boredom time to not become so stressed that they hurt themselves or others01:58
Mech422sdake_: hehe...02:00
Mech422sdake_: I like my time off - I don't take 'real' vacations, but I take a lot of 3 day weekends to play with stuff02:00
Mech422sdake_: always nice to be able to play with new tech without someone pinging about stupid junk :-P02:01
sdake_yup - but your active02:02
sdake_i don't know how people can just sit around02:02
sdake_and do nothing02:02
Mech422sdake_: eh - thats just part of being a geek I think... we all have sooo many new things we want to play with..02:02
Mech422true - I don't either02:03
sdake_actually i do understand part of that first hand02:03
sdake_when you have few choices, - life looks bleak02:03
sdake_my problem is I have too many choices02:04
Mech422sdake_: I think a big part of the problem is people don't have any passion for anything nowdays...02:04
Mech422sdake_: nothing to get them out of bed - writing the great american novel, or painting the next mona lisa - or writing the next bit of killer code02:04
sdake_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCxgqHqakXc02:05
Mech422sdake_: they just sorta 'drift' thru live02:05
Mech422s/live/life/02:05
Mech422hehe02:06
sdake_i had to work very hard to get to where i am today02:07
sdake_i did it because i was broke02:07
sdake_in retrospect, I got a whole slew out of it more then money02:07
sdake_obviously the money situation as a PE at csco is fantastic02:08
sdake_but i've learned much - and that wasn't even my motivation :)02:08
Mech422I've been lucky - I bitch about work, the boss, etc. as much as the next guy - but I've loved my career ..02:08
sdake_my current manager and my prevous manager were fantastic02:08
sdake_my 3rd previous manager was not fantastic02:09
sdake_my 4th old manager didn't look out for his people but he was effective02:09
Mech422I've been at it since I was 13 - I can't imagine what its like to truly not know what you want to do...02:09
sdake_i really dont complain about anything02:09
sdake_i've been working on computers writing assembly language since 11 years old02:09
Mech422my son is 24 now, and has not a clue what he wants to do02:09
sdake_my kids wnat to watch youtube videos for a living ;)02:10
Mech422heh - I haven't done assembly since the 6502 :-)02:10
sdake_i haven' tdone assembly much lately02:10
Mech422ohh - I should tell my son about that - he'd prolly love that job :-P02:10
Mech422he's getting it together now - he's a volunteer fireman, trying to go full time..02:10
sdake_thats a rough gig02:11
sdake_high burnout rate02:11
sdake_i know lots of firemen and women - many of them completely burn out within 5 years02:11
Mech422yeah - I'm not sure he'll make it - he had 4 people die on him this first year - including a 65 year old lady killed by a drunk driver, and a 6 year old that died in a fire02:11
sdake_i haven't figured out whta the secret is that keeps the people that dont burn out from not burning out02:11
sdake_ya its relalyl rough02:12
Mech422sdake_: yeah - I couldn't do it02:12
sdake_i actually bought my son a C book02:12
Mech422but we'll see - so far, he seems to like it overall - just has some rough days that make him wonder about it02:12
sdake_and I was teaching him c02:12
Mech422sadist!02:12
Mech422:-)02:12
sdake_but then we had a remodel02:13
sdake_start with foundations at 11 years old - he will be a pro by 2002:13
sdake_and we packed up the books02:13
sdake_and they still sit in boxes02:13
sdake_i guess i should eithe runpack them or buy a new book02:13
sdake_i want him to do more then leech of me forever :)02:13
sdake_and he is keen tolearn how to program02:14
sdake_I am pretty sure if I don't teach him by 18, he will look back at me and say "dad you promised to teach me ot program and you didn't"02:14
Mech422sdake_: Mine won't go near a computer unless theres a video game running02:14
sdake_and it will be a sore spot02:14
sdake_ya my kids are deeply into games02:14
sdake_what is a really odd behavior of theirs02:14
sdake_is watching youtube videos of other people play video gamees02:14
sdake_they do that more then play videogames02:15
Mech422nice you can share tech with them - now I know how my dad felt when he tried to teach me mechanical engineering02:15
sdake_my son actually expressed interest as being a youtuber02:15
Mech422oh - twitch streams ? yeah - rugrat does that too02:15
sdake_not even a twitch stream02:16
Mech422really? that would be a rough way to make a living...need lotta followers for the ad revenue to add up02:16
sdake_yup02:16
sdake_but there are alot of superstars02:16
sdake_who make millions a year02:16
Mech422yeah - and wierd topics too...02:16
sdake_and that is all my kids see02:16
Mech422like the 6 year olds that 'unbox' toys02:16
sdake_some of  the shit my kids watch02:16
sdake_off the hook02:16
sdake_they dont see the other 99% of the population in youtube land not making a  dime02:17
sdake_although tech is likke that02:17
sdake_PE = 0.5% of CSCO engineering02:18
Mech422yeah - everyone thinks they're gonna be a 'start up millionare'02:18
Mech422I did 12 startups - mostly in SFO/SJC02:18
sdake_i had a cofounder offer when i was 2002:18
sdake_stilli incollege02:18
Mech422but I never made a nickel past my paycheck02:18
sdake_i turned him down02:18
sdake_for 50 percent of th ecopany02:18
sdake_to finish school02:19
sdake_4 years later he took the company public for over a billion02:19
sdake_only taking ~17 mil in funding02:19
Mech422yeah - it happens... and again - its stupid shit that goes big...02:19
Mech422I can't figure out how 'ad supported' and 'free services' are even a thing anymore :-P02:19
sdake_i worked at a startup called montavista02:20
sdake_5 years02:20
Mech422sdake_: oh cool...one of my engineers ended up there - Doug Louder02:20
sdake_we completely changed an industry02:20
sdake_y i recall doug02:20
sdake_are you a people mnager?02:20
Mech422I used to be DirEng/CTO ...02:20
sdake_we spent 120-130 milllion doing it02:20
Mech422went back to code monkey - more fun :-)02:20
sdake_and now the company is gone02:21
Mech422MontaVista is gone ?02:21
Mech422wow - I didn't realize that...02:21
sdake_PE at csco is middle management with no people mangement responsibilities02:21
sdake_well it still ives in on some form02:21
sdake_I think it got aquihired02:21
sdake_but ya its basically defunct02:21
sdake_bad business  model02:21
sdake_make board ports for 300 boards a year, only 10 boards in the industry sell, impossible to predict on a yearly cycle which boards to build support for02:22
Mech422that doesn't sound bad - I've had up to 30 direct reports - it sucks ... people are more trouble then computers02:22
sdake_oh and sell a dev kit to an entire company for 10k02:22
sdake_its not bad at all02:23
sdake_i was just explaining the role :)02:23
sdake_i was a PE at ed hat previously02:23
sdake_PSe02:23
sdake_PSE02:23
sdake_but that job is "lower down the totem pole" so to speak02:23
Mech422oh ? how is RH to work for ?02:23
Mech422they seem to be looking all the time...02:23
sdake_~20% of the engineering team are PEs02:23
sdake_I really loved Red Hat02:24
sdake_I could have retired  there02:24
sdake_there pay kind of sucks compared to industry heavyweights02:24
sdake_but I still got paid well02:24
sdake_we ended in an irresolvable conflict02:24
Mech422sdake_: that sucks :-/02:25
sdake_yup it happens02:25
sdake_i started kolla and i started magnum02:26
sdake_and one of t he directors didn't like either project02:26
sdake_and "directed" me to shut them down02:26
Mech422Ouch!02:26
sdake_so I found a new gig who appreciated my work02:26
sdake_the worst part about the whole thing is my director told me to go sort out what to do with docker and openstack02:26
sdake_so I answered that02:27
sdake_nobody has really expanded on that analysis02:27
sdake_they just didn't like the answer02:27
sdake_but I hold no ill feelings towards red hat02:27
sdake_they supported me through some rough spots02:27
sdake_99% of the time they do the right thing02:27
sdake_1% of the time some direcotr or manager blunders and runs off someone soli02:28
sdake_it could be a subtle blunder02:28
sdake_like not following chains of command02:28
Mech422I'm with LimeLight Networks...02:28
sdake_for a long time I held a grudge02:28
sdake_because job changes are very challenging02:29
sdake_brain goes wild with "what could go wrong"02:29
sdake_leaving red hat was actually very good for me02:29
sdake_it taught me that analyzing every bad outcome scenario is pointless02:30
Mech422heh - working startups - change becomes routine - every 12 months funding runs out, time for a new job...02:30
sdake_instead focus on a good outcome02:30
sdake_and a good outcome will be had02:30
sdake_fantastic lesson I learned changing jobs02:30
sdake_plus 35% pay raise ;)02:30
sdake_and I was already overpaid :)02:31
Mech422Oh Nice !02:31
sdake_if you ever do think of going to red hat I'd recommend it02:31
sdake_its a good place to be02:31
sdake_hard to get in02:31
sdake_without an internal contact02:31
Mech422I got lucky with limelight ... I'm probably going to stay as long as they keep me - but good to know whats what :-)02:31
sdake_waht do you do at limelight02:31
sdake_what does limelight do?02:31
sdake_p2p right?02:32
Mech422openstack - LL is the second largest CDN...02:32
sdake_cool cdn02:32
sdake_i guess they morphed from p2p to cdn :)02:32
sdake_who i the largest?02:32
Mech422akamia02:32
sdake_out of curiosity02:33
sdake_right02:33
sdake_i recall that name02:33
Mech422but we outperform them :-P02:33
sdake_how many employees?02:33
Mech422we run anywhere from 20,000-40,000 machines (metal + vm) in 80 pops around the world02:33
Mech422umm - I think 1 thousand ?02:33
sdake_cool02:33
Mech422not sure - maybe 500-1000?02:33
sdake_I went to red hat when there were 2000 pepole02:34
sdake_now its about 800002:34
Mech422I didnt realize RH was so big...02:34
sdake_my strategy out of school was -> work for a megacorp, work for a startup, then work for a hypergrowth company02:34
sdake_then roll with it from there02:34
sdake_when i told this to my vp, he said "oh your a hybrid employee"02:34
sdake_which at the time I had never heard that term02:35
sdake_and we didnt know each other at all02:35
Mech422I've always just worked on whatever seemed fun - which is prolly why I never got rich :-P02:35
sdake_i'm HINRY :)02:35
sdake_my wife works at ansible02:35
sdake_now redhat02:35
sdake_she left redhat about 2 years ago02:36
sdake_then went to elastic02:36
Mech422HINRY ?  never heard that term...02:36
sdake_that place was hell02:36
sdake_so she went to ansible02:36
sdake_and got aquired by red hat02:36
Mech422elastic rings a bell ... what did they do ?02:36
sdake_High Income not Rich Yet02:36
sdake_make elasticsearch, kibana, and logstash02:36
sdake_and a whole slew of other shit02:36
sdake_but those are their main work products02:36
Mech422LOL - I guess that makes me : Not Rich Yet, but still hopefull :-P02:36
Mech422pizza - sec!02:37
sdake_DCP FTW :)02:37
sdake_becoming a solid hybrid employee is very rewarding02:38
sdake_it takes a long time02:38
sdake_it took me about 10 years to get my skill sets in order before everything was working well02:39
sdake_one way to describe a hybrid is a jack of all trades, _master_ of many :)02:39
sdake_at one point I thought of myself as a jack of all trades master of none02:40
sdake_in retrospect my hybrid self training was super risky02:40
sdake_if I had given up on my strategy - it would have been disasterous for me02:40
sdake_Mech422 where did ou cto at02:41
Mech422sdake_: last place was Olliance02:41
Mech422sdake_: up in SFO02:41
sdake_how many cats02:41
Mech422tops was prolly around 60-7002:42
sdake_interesting02:42
sdake_how mnay startups have you worked at?02:42
Mech422yeah - its was a good crew02:42
Mech422doug went to monta vista after02:42
Mech422rob went to sugar02:42
Mech422and russ did a stink at inktank02:42
Mech422about a dozen02:43
sdake_wow thats a slew02:43
Mech422did 1 in new york for financial market even :-)02:43
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sdake_i have too high of a personal financial burn rate to start a company at this time02:43
sdake_the only way to start a company is to have  a low personal burn rate02:44
sdake_(the only non-risky way)02:44
Mech422I really don't think I want to go back02:44
sdake_go back to where02:44
Mech422its kinda nice having a steady job now02:44
Mech422startups02:44
sdake_1k employees is sorta startupy02:44
Mech422heh - you have every different def. of startup then me :-P02:44
sdake_i have only worked at one02:45
Mech422I'm used to being employe #1 or #2 in a 6 week old company02:45
Mech422limelight has been around 15 years :-)02:45
sdake_ya - that was the p2p reference :)02:45
sdake_red hat was a hypergrowth company02:45
sdake_an dstil is02:45
sdake_csco is a big mega corp02:46
sdake_montavista was definately a startup - although I was meployee 100+02:46
Mech422p2p == peer to peer?02:46
sdake_right02:46
Mech422LLNW never did that ?02:46
sdake_yo uwuld knwo :)02:46
sdake_I seem to recall they did02:46
Mech422we push content for like the apple store...02:46
sdake_but i coul be wrong02:46
sdake_i know what you do now02:46
Mech422Microsoft etc02:46
sdake_(because you jsut  told me earlier)02:46
sdake_businesses change02:47
sdake_but 15 years ago,  Ithink limelight was a p2p company02:47
sdake_but I could be wrong02:47
sdake_they wer etyring to compete with napster and stuff02:47
sdake_iirc02:47
Mech422you thinking of LimeWire ?02:47
sdake_right02:48
sdake_thanks k:)02:48
Mech422ah - no...diff. company :-)02:48
sdake_yes clearly :)02:48
Mech422anyway - girlfriend says I need to eat pizza and watch movie with her :-)02:48
Mech422bbbiab :-)02:48
sdake_later02:48
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openstackgerritsean mooney proposed openstack/kolla: [WIP] add baremetal role to install kolla deps.  https://review.openstack.org/32563105:41
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openstackgerritJoshua Harlow proposed openstack/kolla: Make kolla-ansible a top level python command  https://review.openstack.org/32498206:33
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openstackgerritMichal Rostecki proposed openstack/kolla: [WIP] Support for kolla-kubernetes in Vagrant  https://review.openstack.org/32296209:53
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openstackgerritRyan Hallisey proposed openstack/kolla: Add kolla-kubernetes bootstrap capability to mariadb  https://review.openstack.org/32074414:04
openstackgerritRyan Hallisey proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Use the Kube endpoint to dictate state instead of etcd  https://review.openstack.org/32550314:06
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openstackgerritRyan Hallisey proposed openstack/kolla: Add kolla-kubernetes bootstrap capability to Keystone  https://review.openstack.org/32152917:05
openstackgerritRyan Hallisey proposed openstack/kolla: Add kolla-kubernetes bootstap logic endpoint script  https://review.openstack.org/32566417:05
openstackgerritRyan Hallisey proposed openstack/kolla: Add kolla-kubernetes bootstap logic endpoint script  https://review.openstack.org/32566417:11
openstackgerritRyan Hallisey proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: The Keystone bootstrap job need to run a db sync  https://review.openstack.org/32566517:22
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openstackgerritRyan Hallisey proposed openstack/kolla: Add kolla-kubernetes bootstrap capability to Keystone  https://review.openstack.org/32152920:44
openstackgerritRyan Hallisey proposed openstack/kolla: Add kolla-kubernetes bootstrap capability to mariadb  https://review.openstack.org/32074420:44
openstackgerritRyan Hallisey proposed openstack/kolla: Add kolla-kubernetes bootstap logic endpoint script  https://review.openstack.org/32566420:44
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openstackgerritRyan Hallisey proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: The Keystone bootstrap job need to run a db sync  https://review.openstack.org/32566521:04
openstackgerritRyan Hallisey proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Use the Kube endpoint to dictate state instead of etcd  https://review.openstack.org/32550321:04
openstackgerritRyan Hallisey proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Add the KOLLA_KUBERNETES flag to containers  https://review.openstack.org/32567521:04
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