Tuesday, 2016-07-26

HyperJohnGrahamrhallisey kube-controller-manager[4962]: E0725 16:58:01.119872    4962 controllermanager.go:205] Failed to start service controller: ServiceController should not be run without a cloudprovider.00:02
HyperJohnGrahamI am getting close00:02
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HyperJohnGrahamall the other services start clean00:02
HyperJohnGrahametcd kube-apiserver kube-scheduler .... just kube-controller-manager complaining00:04
rhalliseyI've seen this too00:06
rhalliseyHyperJohnGraham, I think you can still run your services00:06
HyperJohnGrahamright you are !!00:07
HyperJohnGraham[root@gateway ~]# kubectl get nodes00:07
HyperJohnGrahamNAME            LABELS                                 STATUS    AGE00:07
HyperJohnGrahamcentos-minion   kubernetes.io/hostname=centos-minion   Ready     17m00:07
HyperJohnGrahamok back to your doc00:07
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HyperJohnGrahamrebuilding containers for fun00:16
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openstackgerritqinchunhua proposed openstack/kolla: Fix dict.values() PY3 compatible  https://review.openstack.org/34570600:53
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sdakehey folks i have bad news00:59
sdakeour mascot is under contention from another team00:59
sdaketo be decided by coin flip :)00:59
sdakethe way my luck is running we will end up with a rat as a mascot00:59
rhalliseywhat other team?01:00
sdakesmaug01:00
rhallisey..01:00
inc0omg01:00
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rhalliseycan we pick a whale01:00
inc0they should have a frickin dragon01:00
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sdakethey are being renamed01:00
sdaketo something related to koala bears01:01
sdakeanyway dont bitch at them eveyrone has a right to a choice in their team mascot01:01
inc0WE ARE ALREADY NAMED RELATED TO KOALA BEARS!01:01
inc0but we are obviously superior01:01
sdakein big tent, every project is equal01:01
inc0we're equaler01:02
sdakelol01:02
sdakeinc0++01:02
inc0I have fallback01:03
inc0a narwhal01:03
inc0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykwqXuMPsoc01:03
sdakehoney badger01:04
sdakenarwal would run up against trademark shit01:04
inc0 nah, they're nasty01:05
inc0how so?01:05
inc0how narwhal is trademarked?01:05
sdakedocker thinks whale = docker01:05
inc0whale != narwhal01:05
inc0these are different animals01:05
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sdakeoh i thought it was a whale01:05
rhalliseyyes honey badger01:05
sdakehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg01:06
inc0oh, I know!01:06
inc0a cassowary01:06
inc0http://uberhumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/UAwoeN2.jpg01:06
inc0narwhales are like unicorn whales01:08
inc0which makes them better whales01:08
sdakeinc0 i htik you missed my joke int he honey badger joke01:08
inc0I might01:09
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HyperJohnGrahamreturned[job "mariadb-bootstrap" created01:09
HyperJohnGrahamgetting very close now01:09
sdakerather honey badget video01:10
rhalliseyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg01:10
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HyperJohnGrahamThe Job "keystone-bootstrap" is invalid.01:36
HyperJohnGraham* spec.template.spec.containers[0].image: Required value01:36
HyperJohnGraham* spec.template.spec.containers[1].image: Required value01:36
HyperJohnGrahamok now i am stuck :)01:36
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-kubernetes: KubeUtils get_api_url fix  https://review.openstack.org/34701301:46
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sdakeHyperJohnGraham what platform are you on01:54
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openstackgerritLi Yingjun proposed openstack/kolla: Check enable_mongodb for ceilometer  https://review.openstack.org/34588102:59
openstackgerritKen Johnston proposed openstack/kolla: Minor Readability Adjustments to Operating Kolla  https://review.openstack.org/34709903:00
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openstackgerritKen Johnston proposed openstack/kolla: Readability Improvements to Advanced Config Doc  https://review.openstack.org/34710203:10
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derekjhyanggood morning03:21
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla: Customizations for cron  https://review.openstack.org/34682603:30
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla: Fix Wording and Typos in Deployment Philosophy  https://review.openstack.org/34700203:35
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HyperJohnGraham[root@gateway ~]# kubectl get nodes now sees 8 nodes !04:48
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openstackgerritMartin Falatic proposed openstack/kolla: Customizations for ceilometer  https://review.openstack.org/34700505:32
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openstackgerritWei Cao proposed openstack/kolla: Ubuntu with systemd support  https://review.openstack.org/34690006:10
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openstackgerritMd Nadeem proposed openstack/kolla: Added Dockerfile for congress  https://review.openstack.org/30562606:19
mdnadeem_Jeffrey4l, coolsvap , Can you please review PS https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335797/06:22
patchbotmdnadeem_: patch 335797 - kolla - Added unit test for volume operations06:22
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coolsvapmdnadeem_: will do06:28
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mdnadeem_coolsvap, thanks :)06:32
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openstackgerritAsha proposed openstack/kolla: Customizations for mongodb  https://review.openstack.org/34707306:48
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prithivcan someone review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344930/5 please. I propose to have a separate macro for pip installation in macro.j2 file. since there is no yum or apt-get installation cadidate for SFC07:25
patchbotprithiv: patch 344930 - kolla - Docker files for Networking-SFC Container07:25
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coolsvapprithiv1: i have started the mailing list discussion as discussed07:38
openstackgerritqinchunhua proposed openstack/kolla: Python 3: dict.iteritems()  https://review.openstack.org/34629407:38
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prithiv1thank you07:51
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla: Added unit test for volume operations  https://review.openstack.org/33579707:53
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openstackgerritSwapnil Kulkarni (coolsvap) proposed openstack/kolla: Make kolla-build list-dependencies option work  https://review.openstack.org/34716907:58
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openstackgerritLi Yingjun proposed openstack/kolla: Fixes Dockerfile for neutron-lbaas-agent  https://review.openstack.org/34584308:08
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openstackgerritWei Cao proposed openstack/kolla: Ubuntu with systemd support  https://review.openstack.org/34690008:35
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mewaldmorning09:21
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openstackgerritPrithiv proposed openstack/kolla: Dockerfile for Networking-SFC Container  https://review.openstack.org/34493009:31
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla: Fixes Dockerfile for neutron-lbaas-agent  https://review.openstack.org/34584309:43
mewaldnot a lot going on here today hmm?09:45
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openstackgerritMathias proposed openstack/kolla: Added telegraf role  https://review.openstack.org/34644809:51
openstackgerritMathias proposed openstack/kolla: Added telegraf container  https://review.openstack.org/34644509:51
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openstackgerritMathias proposed openstack/kolla: Added telegraf role  https://review.openstack.org/34644810:14
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openstackgerritMathias proposed openstack/kolla: Added influxdb container  https://review.openstack.org/34644610:48
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openstackgerritEduardo Gonzalez proposed openstack/kolla: Implement customizations for heat-api-cfn container  https://review.openstack.org/34728311:42
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openstackgerritEduardo Gonzalez proposed openstack/kolla: Implement customizations for heat-api-cfn container  https://review.openstack.org/34728311:44
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openstackgerritMathias proposed openstack/kolla: Added influxdb container  https://review.openstack.org/34644612:12
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openstackgerritRichard Winters proposed openstack/kolla: This patchset contains customization of Dockerfile of openvswitch containers  https://review.openstack.org/34683712:30
openstackgerritqinchunhua proposed openstack/kolla: Python 3: dict.iteritems()  https://review.openstack.org/34629412:41
openstackgerritqinchunhua proposed openstack/kolla: Python 3: dict.iteritems()  https://review.openstack.org/34629412:42
openstackgerritqinchunhua proposed openstack/kolla: Fix dict.values() PY3 compatible  https://review.openstack.org/34570612:43
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openstackgerritEduardo Gonzalez proposed openstack/kolla: Implement customizations for heat-api-cfn container  https://review.openstack.org/34728313:39
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openstackgerritPatrick Powell proposed openstack/kolla: Clean up Glance image after sanity check  https://review.openstack.org/34740914:03
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openstackgerritDennis Mueller proposed openstack/kolla: Added neutron-metering-agent  https://review.openstack.org/34662914:09
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openstackgerritPatrick Powell proposed openstack/kolla: Clean up Glance image after sanity check  https://review.openstack.org/34740914:13
openstackgerritPatrick Powell proposed openstack/kolla: Add Nova sanity check  https://review.openstack.org/34741614:13
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sdake_Jeffrey4l ping14:22
Jeffrey4lsdake_, pong14:22
sdake_got this question privately14:22
sdake_Hi Steven14:22
sdake_I see that in kolla Liberty code we just have nova-manage db sync even though you create both nova database and nova api database​14:22
sdake_Any idea why you dont do nova-manage api_db sync in kolla in Liberty to create the tables in the api database?14:22
sdake_any idea how to respond?14:22
Jeffrey4lin the nova liberty, there is not api db .14:23
sdake_is this just a bug, or does the db sync for nova-manage do both jobs?14:23
sdake_apparently nova api database is created14:23
Jeffrey4lnova api db is introduced in mitaka.14:23
sdake_maybe its a bug then that the api database is created14:23
* Jeffrey4l is checking the kolla code14:24
sdake_its definately in there14:25
sdake_thanks i know how to respond atleast :)14:25
Jeffrey4l1. kolla liberty do not create  the api db, and not call the nova-manage api_db sync.  this is correct.14:26
Jeffrey4l2. nova api db is introduced in the mitaka release, see this http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/nova/mitaka.html#id214:26
sdake_thanks Jeffrey4l14:27
Jeffrey4lhmm. the nova api database shouldn't be created in the liberty.14:27
Jeffrey4l:D14:27
sdake_yes that is what i j ust sasid :)14:27
sdake_remember how we made liberty14:27
Jeffrey4lknow that.14:27
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coolsvapsdake_: hi14:28
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sdake_hey coolsvap14:28
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coolsvapsdake_: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/100024.html14:32
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla: Fix 'reconfigure' command of kolla  https://review.openstack.org/34440014:42
sdake_inc0 where was that philosophy document review14:42
sdake_i wanted to make sure the wording wasn't fubared14:42
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coolsvapsdake_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347002/14:47
patchbotcoolsvap: patch 347002 - kolla - Fix Wording and Typos in Deployment Philosophy (MERGED)14:47
sdake_thanks coolsvap14:47
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sdake_mewald's screnshots of monitoring look pretty hot ;)14:47
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mewaldthanks :) when I get the patches through I will start working on automatically generated dashboards to have something nice right after deployment 8-)14:49
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wznoinskhi all, do you know whether cloud-init via metadata service deployed with neutron/openvswitch is now working when deployed using kolla?14:55
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sdake_it was always working14:56
sdake_from over 2 years ago14:56
sdake_wznoinsk you may have been on master and struggled with that14:56
wznoinskok, then it may be because I'm not using private network hence no router namespace which it usually is configured in14:56
sdake_wznoinsk another problem that can happen is runnign in a vm without multicast support14:57
wznoinsktested with guest VMs of cirros and ubuntu-trusty modified by nodepool (very similar to upstream nodepool VM) and I have controller in a VMs as well, would that support be in linux/openvswitch configuration of  bridges?14:59
wznoinsksdake_: ^14:59
sdake_would which support15:00
wznoinskmulticast15:00
sdake_multicast is required by keepalived15:00
sdake_it assigns the ip address to the control and compute nodes15:00
sdake_if your vm infrastructure doesn't have multicast enabled, no beuno15:01
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sdake_what is your vm infrastructure?15:01
wznoinskdon't use keepalived here15:01
sdake_you have enable_haproxy disabled?15:01
wznoinsk'/etc/kolla/globals.yml:enable_haproxy: "no"15:02
sdake_ok well then its not multicast15:02
sdake_i dont understand how kolla operates without enable_haproxy - but my guess is not well :)15:02
sdake_anyway back to your original problem15:03
sdake_[07:59:14]  <wznoinsk>tested with guest VMs of cirros and ubuntu-trusty modified by nodepool (very similar to upstream nodepool VM) and I have controller in a VMs as well, would that support be in linux/openvswitch configuration of  bridges?15:03
sdake_would which support be in linux/openvswitch?15:03
wznoinskI thought openvswitch may have a multicast option that's blocking here15:04
sdake_oh nope - i think the problem is probably with your vm networking setup15:05
sdake_any opportunityt to try bare metal?15:05
sdake_kolla doesnt make a mess out of your system15:05
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla: updates default registry tag to latest version  https://review.openstack.org/34516615:05
wznoinskbare metal later, first fixing cloud-init in my VMs in CI ;-)15:05
wznoinskoh sorry, I have 5 physical servers with kolla straight on it15:06
sdake_oh so kolla wfu, just not in your ci jobs15:06
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wznoinskI have a kolla deployed to 6 machines, a controller is a VM + 5 compute physical nodes, it works just fine, two NICs in controller VM via macvtap/mavclan etc., it works fine except for cloud-init15:09
sdake_wznoinsk so you are running vms on openstack on a 5 node kolla deploy15:09
sdake_oh gotcha15:09
sdake_ok - well thanks or communicating that :)15:09
sdake_are you using liberty or mitaka or master?15:09
wznoinskmitaka15:09
inc0good morning15:10
sdake_that should work15:10
sdake_morning inc015:10
wznoinskhi Michal15:10
inc0sdake_, the review I mentioned earlier? nah it wasnt15:10
inc0czesc Waldek:)15:10
sdake_ya i already read it15:10
wznoinsksdake_: I don't use private network in my Openstack cloud, I see some redirect/allow rules for metadata traffic (to/from 169.254.169.254) in deployments that use private network in qrouter namespace - they are missing obviously from my setup15:11
sdake_ok well your running enable_haproxy: no15:11
sdake_but you have multiple nodes?15:12
wznoinsktrying to find out the missing piece15:12
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wznoinsksdake_: I may try enabling proxying someday but atm if the controller VMs is down the whole CI is also down (on the same VM) so for the moment don't mind it without haproxy15:13
sdake_i dont think multinode will work without haproxy15:13
inc0sdake_, well, it will work15:14
sdake_actually I dont know15:14
inc0you need to have external LB tho15:14
inc0which is good thing to have15:14
sdake_inc0 there is only 1 controller node15:14
inc0sdake_, no15:14
sdake_he wants to run with 1 controller 5 compute no haproxy15:14
inc0ok, that's also cool15:15
inc0just make kolla_internal_vip=<<ip of controller)15:15
sdake_ok well something about wznoinsk network is busted15:15
wznoinskcorrection: I'm running it for last 4months ;-)15:15
wznoinskwell on mitaka rc first15:15
sdake_his vms are not getting link local from neutron15:15
wznoinskshould there be route inside the VM? I thought it's redirected to metadata service on the network nodes15:16
wznoinskI'll let you know if I have something, maybe it's my setup15:17
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sdake_i'm not sure - but doesn't super sound like a kolla problem15:17
sdake_not saying its not15:18
sdake_but i'm at a loss as to how to further debug15:18
wznoinsksure, I came here asking cause I heard something to use config drive cause cloud-init with metadata service in kola is broken/rpblematic, sounds like it's not the case15:18
sdake_your vms have worked fine for 4 months and now they busted?15:18
wznoinsksdake_: cloud-init never worked there tbh, never bothered to fix it till now15:18
sdake_wznoinsk i have heard various things about cloud-init with config drive or without - have hard time pinning down any exact problems15:19
sdake_Jeffrey4l ping15:19
Jeffrey4lsdake_, sup15:19
sdake_tried cloud-init with kolla mitaka lately?15:20
Jeffrey4lyes.15:20
sdake_works?15:20
Jeffrey4lsdake_, if u just have a subnet without router, it do not works. :(15:20
sdake_wznoinsk ^15:21
sdake_should it be working in that case?15:21
sdake_Ihought neutron always needed a router15:21
sdake_that sounds like a neutron bug to me - not really a kolla bug15:22
Jeffrey4lit won't work with a router connected, unless set force the dhcp start the metadata:15:22
Jeffrey4llike15:22
Jeffrey4lenable_isolated_metadata = true15:22
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Jeffrey4li am thinking should we enable this in kolla in default.15:23
sdake_if it doesn't break anything then yes15:24
sdake_what is the impact of the default vs the nondefault15:24
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Jeffrey4lsdake_, the only one i think is: it will start many neutron-metadata-agent when you have many networks.15:25
sdake_Jeffrey4l can you help wznoinsk test out your fix - if it solves his problem we should merge it and backport it15:26
Jeffrey4lsdake_, np15:26
Jeffrey4lwznoinsk, I will push a PS and could u try locally?15:27
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Jeffrey4la `kolla-ansible reconfigure -t neutron` will work.15:27
sdake_Jeffrey4l this bug is super critical imo - please post a message on the ml explaining the issue and pointing to the patchset and indicating a zstream will be avialable around m3, but in the meantime the workaround is here:15:27
sdake_assuming wznoinsk 's fix works15:28
sdake_tia :)15:28
Jeffrey4lroger that.15:28
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Mech422Morning15:35
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Jeffrey4lMorning15:36
Jeffrey4lwznoinsk, could u try this PS? https://review.openstack.org/34745715:37
sdake_morning Mech42215:37
Jeffrey4lsdake_, fyi the fix is pushed https://review.openstack.org/34745715:37
sdake_needs bug id Jeffrey4l15:38
sdake_at some point15:38
Jeffrey4lI will add that when sbezverk_ tried it.15:38
Jeffrey4l:D15:38
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Mech422blah - looks like I'm gonna be busy for the next couple of weeks 'porting' our QA cluster to kolla ...15:52
Mech422I'll be spinning builds for testing, but probably wont have time for much else15:52
sdake_sounds like fun15:54
sdake_so its a brownfield cluster?15:54
sdake_Mech422 people keenly want documentation on how to deploy a brownfield cluster in kolla15:55
Mech422sdake_: sorta - I've got to replicate the functionality of the existing QA cluster, but I _can_ wipe the boxes if needed15:55
sdake_if you write up your experiences, blog, docs, etc - would help :)15:55
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Mech422sdake_: Hmm - I was going to just kill openstack on the nodes, install docker and run kolla...15:56
Mech422sdake_: suppose I could try 'migrating' one service at a time15:56
Mech422sdake_: thats gonna get funky with DBs and rabbitmq and stuff though15:56
sdake_Jeffrey4l wanted to talk to you about monitoring - still around?15:56
inc0Mech422, so db might be good actually15:56
inc0mysqldump for the win15:56
Jeffrey4lsdake_, yep15:57
sdake_Jeffrey4l it looks like the community for the moment is heading for a tick stack15:57
sdake_daviey seems more interested in letting sensu go and letting tick develop15:57
inc0rabbitmq....so I think if you make sure that nothing is happening in the cluster you can just wipe it15:57
sdake_however, we still haven't come to conclusion on one stack versus two15:57
inc0and redeploy15:57
sdake_but the key thing is, can you not -2 their changes :)15:58
Jeffrey4lremoved my -215:58
Jeffrey4lthe bad news is I am not familiar with the monitor tool.15:59
Mech422inc0: eh - I can try it - I can basically down the cluster from friday nights to monday morning for 'maintenance'15:59
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Mech422inc0: and _nothing_ is guarranteed to be preserved past friday till newton is finalize16:00
sdake_Jeffrey4l me either16:00
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sdake_Jeffrey4l tick screenshots are on the ml16:00
sdake_Jeffrey4l and it looks pretty solid from that16:00
sdake_i am going to pul lthe patches today and take a look16:00
sdake_suggest you do same when you ahve a chance16:00
Jeffrey4lsdake_, it is the grafana screenshots. actually, each monitor who use the grafana can show that kind of the picture.16:01
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla: Allow custom configurations for ceilometer  https://review.openstack.org/34627316:02
Jeffrey4lwhat I concert is the performance of the  background db and monitor tool, which i have no idea for this :(16:02
Jeffrey4l*concern16:02
sdake_influxdb supposed to be fastesst one16:03
Jeffrey4lactually, my company use the influxdb, too.16:03
Mech422sdake_: yeah - part of the problem is I don't really think many people use 'pure' stacks16:03
Mech422sdake_: for instance a lot of people use graphite with influxdb back16:03
Jeffrey4li will try that patchset. ( tomorrow.)_16:03
Mech422sdake_: OpenTSDB has some traction too16:04
sdake_well whatever comes out of the community naturally i think is the best way to proceed16:04
Mech422sdake_: and 'collectors' is all over the place - telegraf, diamond, collectd/statsd16:04
sdake_rather then making dictates on technology16:04
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Mech422yeah - just mean we may want to look at installing the pieces seperately16:05
sdake_ya - enable_foo16:05
Jeffrey4lwhat's the openstack recmmanded? or what the tools the fuel choose?16:05
Mech422so you can select diamond, with graphite and influxdb backend (for instance)16:05
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sdake_no idea what fuel uses16:08
sdake_elemoine probably did a rockin job on the implementation though so we have our work cut out for us :)16:09
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sdake_i am not super familr with telegraf, but hae used collectd16:10
sdake_and like it16:10
Jeffrey4lme too.16:10
sdake_i think its safe to say we will end up with multiple ldata sources16:11
sdake_rather metrics forwarders16:11
sdake_Mech422 that screenshot on the mialing list is grafana right?16:12
wznoinskJeffrey4l: sdake, that's what I thought - no router = metadata doesn't work, will give the patch a go now16:12
Jeffrey4lwznoinsk, thanks.16:12
sdake_wznoinsk thanks for bringing this to our attention16:12
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HyperJohnGraham[root@gateway ~]# kubectl get nodes                     ceph-os-01 Ready 11h ceph-os-02 Ready 11h ceph-os-03 Ready 11h ceph-os-04 Ready 11h ceph-os-05 Ready 11h ceph-os-06 Ready 11h ceph-os-07 Ready 11h ceph-os-08 Ready 11h16:13
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HyperJohnGrahamgetting close last night16:13
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sdake_HyperJohnGraham you left a message around 6pm pst16:13
sdake_andi i responded, but you logged out i think16:13
sdake_was there something you had a question about (forgot context)16:13
Jeffrey4lwhat the metrics forwarder is ? sdake_16:14
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sdake_Jeffrey4l i haven't looked at the patches16:14
Jeffrey4lok.16:14
sdake_someone said we were using a tick stack16:14
sdake_pretty sure it was daviey16:14
Jeffrey4lmultiple  data source means: for example kolla may have collectd and telegraf?16:15
sdake_Jeffrey4l roger16:16
sdake_only8 one on at a time16:16
sdake_but ya ability to run both at each level16:16
sdake_or wathever the choices are that people care about16:16
Jeffrey4li think choice is OK. But run both at the same time is a little redundance.16:17
sdake_no we wont run both at same time16:18
sdake_i dont even think that would work16:18
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Jeffrey4lclearly.16:19
sdake_mewald around?16:20
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sdake_Mech422 do you know what stack mewald has produced thus far?16:21
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openstackgerritJeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: Use the node_custom_config variable in the config.yml file  https://review.openstack.org/34747416:22
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sdake_looks to me like we have a tig stack atm16:24
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HyperJohnGrahamsdake_ I am at "Build Kolla Images and Push to Docker Registry" point in the doc rhallisey provided. https://github.com/openstack/kolla-kubernetes/blob/master/doc/source/multi-node.rst#build-kolla-images-and-push-to-docker-registry16:24
sdake_HyperJohnGraham are you a developer or operator16:25
sdake_or both16:25
sdake_do you intend to operate a cloud, or develop for kolla-kubernetes is what i'm really getting at16:25
HyperJohnGrahami had to get kubectl get nodes working before going any further16:26
HyperJohnGrahamI was getting16:26
sdake_1 minute lag on irc - impressive :)16:27
HyperJohnGrahamThe Job "keystone-bootstrap" is invalid.16:27
HyperJohnGraham spec.template.spec.containers[0].image: Required value16:27
HyperJohnGraham spec.template.spec.containers[1].image: Required value16:27
mewald1sdake_: yeah tig ^^ nobody I know is familiar with chronograph but they are with grafana. I assumed thats a general rule ;)16:27
sdake_mewald1 in the end youa re aiming for tigk?16:27
sdake_mewald1 familiarly helps make merges go faster i'll give you that :)16:28
mewald1sdake_: the k is still in question. I dont know k and if somebody else creates sensu containers we would have two alerting capable components16:28
mewald1dunno if that's a good idea .. we have to discuss that16:28
sdake_Daviey had indicated he is not making sensu containers because your work is further in scope then he had in mind16:29
mewald1but surely K alerts on anomalies while sensu does static thresholds16:29
HyperJohnGrahamsdake_ I work for UCSD and will be operating a high performance experimental system16:29
mewald1ah ok, I thought I expressed that I believe sensu is necessary for availability monitoring still16:30
sdake_HyperJohnGraham cool - if you want an openstack cloud you can deploy today, may I point you at kolla (the ansible version)16:30
sdake_kolla-kubernetes is a far way off from being usable day to day16:30
sdake_it is still under super heavy dev16:30
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sdake_if you want to contribute code to kolla-kubernetes (as in that is your objective) then proceeding as you are is the right approach16:31
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HyperJohnGrahami see16:31
HyperJohnGrahamHow long till kolla-kubernetes is ~beta ?16:33
sdake_HyperJohnGraham unknown16:33
sdake_HyperJohnGraham atlast to me16:34
sdake_rhallisey ^^16:34
sdake_my guess is 3-9 months16:34
sdake_but that is pure speculation16:34
sdake_based upon 20 years of experience ;)16:34
HyperJohnGrahamok cool16:34
sdake_kolla-ansible is ready today16:34
sdake_it really rocks16:34
sean-k-m1sdake_: i was about to say probably ocata release before it reachs parity with kolla-ansible today16:35
HyperJohnGrahamyup I had it running before i dove in to kolla-kubernetes16:35
sdake_if you want a k8s based solution there is nothign available today that hits that checkbox :)16:35
HyperJohnGraham:)16:35
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sdake_ya i'd expect it to start looking more like a kolla project by occata for sure16:36
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Mech422sdake_: I think so far mewald has Telegraf, Influxdb from the TICK stack (missing kapacitor for alerting and Chronograf for visualation) and Grafana for visualization16:36
sdake_Mech422 yup he confirmed a moment ago16:36
sean-k-mooneyTICK stack?16:37
sdake_sean-k-mooney alerting and monitoring16:37
sdake_there is a screenshot of tig on the ml16:37
sean-k-mooneyfor kolla or the tenant?16:37
sdake_c=g16:37
sdake_for kolla16:37
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Mech422sdake_: sorry - catching up on scrollback16:38
sean-k-mooneyok cool promituos was also mentioned at the midcycle but i gues the conversation has moved on to tick then?16:38
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sean-k-mooney/promituos/prometheus16:39
Mech422mewald: might be nice to be able to select influxdb seperately - it seems fairly popular with the graphite crowd too ?16:39
sdake_sean-k-mooney i think where we are at is as follows16:40
sdake_each layer will be configurable16:40
sdake_sean-k-mooney assumign they work with each other16:40
sdake_sean-k-mooney but whoever does the work gets to define the stack16:40
sdake_thats how we roll here ;)16:40
sdake_thus far it lookks like Mech422 and Daviey are driving this one16:41
sdake_rather mewald16:41
sdake_sorry Mech422 mistab16:41
sean-k-mooneyok im not sure that they will be that swapable as the monitoring stack that are out there then to be somwhat monolitic in componant choice16:42
sdake_well what i want to avoid is endless bikeshedding :)16:42
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sdake_so lets not do that pls :)16:42
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sean-k-mooneysdake_: sure it would be good to have a working solution rather then seveal broken ones.16:44
sdake_sean-k-mooney agreed ;)16:45
sdake_sean-k-mooney well tig seems to work now16:45
sean-k-mooneywe were considering contirbuting a collectd contaienr to use it as the collector to feed telemetry to ceilometer.16:45
sdake_sean-k-mooney when i get done jerking aroudn with my morning meetings i'm going to give it  a spin16:45
sdake_fwiw i want collectd as well16:45
sdake_in addition to the telegraf16:45
sdake_so please do contribute that :)16:46
sdake_or if your overloaded, dont let this work around tig stop you is what i mean to say :)16:46
sean-k-mooneyok yes i think pritiv will be working on it when he finishes the networking-sfc container16:46
Mech422sean-k-mooney: you think they're monolithic?  I was surprised how much mix-n-match seems to go on..16:47
sdake_ya from waht i can read every thing is interchangable16:47
sdake_how well they work interchangably is an open quetsion16:47
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sdake_hey dmsimard16:47
Mech422sdake_: true - and the almost seem to be ruby based :-(16:47
sdake_dmsimard hey i dont know if you caught the news from the midcycle16:47
dmsimardsdake_: hey me16:47
dmsimardno wassup16:47
sdake_but we are in progress of making kolla build gates voting16:48
dmsimardcool, glad it's a priority16:48
sean-k-mooneyMech422: some of the component are interchangeable but take prometheus for example. its seams to be easy to get data into it but not back out.16:48
sdake_the gate has always been a priority16:48
sdake_we have 1-2 people almost always working on the gate unfortunately16:48
dmsimardfrom an outside perspective, debatable :)16:48
sdake_yes its very difficult work16:48
sdake_Jeffrey4l single handly has fixed about 15 gate bugs :)16:49
sdake_maybe 1016:49
sdake_anyway alot :)16:49
dmsimardawesome16:49
sdake_but this is over the last 3-6 months16:49
dmsimardare you guys going to be able to cover all the implemented projects in Kolla ?16:49
Mech422sean-k-mooney: I figured you just hit the db directly...like driving grafana and prometheus off the same influxdb16:49
sdake_dmsimard i think that iwll come with time16:49
sdake_dmsimard i'd like to get to te point where we have our gates voting16:50
Mech422sean-k-mooney: but I admit - I haven't installed yet - was just looking around last week to see what to use for work16:50
sdake_dmsimard first step is build vote, second step is deploy vote16:50
sdake_ubuntu doesn't deploy in the gate for some odd reason16:50
sdake_that nobody understands16:50
inc0btw did you see summit voting and type kolla?16:50
inc0into search bar?16:50
sdake_dmsimard the thing that unblocked us was pbalgenrs work on mirroring16:51
sdake_inc0 link?16:51
inc0https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/vote-for-speakers/presentation/15553/?q=kolla16:51
inc0sbezverk_, mag009 you guys around?16:52
sean-k-mooneyMech422: as far as i can tell Prometheus does not support external storage of samples so you would nto be able to use it to store samples in influxdb.16:52
mag009yep16:52
mag009whats up16:52
sean-k-mooneyMech422: https://github.com/prometheus/prometheus/issues/1016:52
inc0did you have beer together?16:52
inc0you both live in Montreal16:52
mag009nop lol didn't even knew he was from here16:52
inc0it slipped my mind, I knew Sergey was from Canada but I didn't connect the dots16:53
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inc0anyway, there you go, get drunk for glory of Kolla16:53
mag009lol nice16:53
mag009Sergey where you work at ?16:53
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mag009guess he's not here.. inc0 you know where he work ?16:54
inc0Cisco16:54
mag009ah ok cool16:55
mag009ah its in the link above -_-16:55
sdake_1557 talks tagged with kolla?16:55
sdake_what the charlie foxtrot16:55
inc0not that much16:55
inc0links don't carry the search bar apperantly16:56
inc0just type in kolla16:56
sean-k-mooneyMech422: for collectd that would not be an issue though. it can work with influxdb or ceilometer. we are also looking into adding collectd support for gnocchi currently.16:56
sdake_DAMN my wife jacked my five w's title16:57
Mech422sean-k-mooney: interesting read - long thread16:57
sdake_what the foxtrot16:57
sean-k-mooneyMech422: sorry for the lenght16:57
Mech422sean-k-mooney: no - its interesting...16:58
inc0sdake_, 4W and H16:58
inc0send my best to Robyn btw;)16:58
sdake_still called the 5 wss :)16:58
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sdake_inc0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Ws17:10
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openstackgerritwilliam snow proposed openstack/kolla: Doc wording update - Minor rewording for clarity. TrivialFix  https://review.openstack.org/34749417:15
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Mech422sdake: so I just emailed the list about a fuel/container project...17:39
Mech422sdake: Fuel requires control of your dhcp server though (like ironic) right ?17:40
sdakemoment reading17:40
sdakenot sure what fuel requires from the environment17:40
Mech422sdake: I think anything requiring DHCP control will be a non-starter for me...at least until we our openstack stuff goes 'mainstream' at work17:41
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla: Python 3: dict.iteritems()  https://review.openstack.org/34629417:49
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openstackgerritJosh Lothian proposed openstack/kolla: Customizations for heka  https://review.openstack.org/34686118:03
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mark-caseysdake: Mech422: current fuel does not allow existing dhcp services on the management or public/provider type networks18:11
mark-caseywell... not as of two releases ago when I used it18:12
Mech422mark-casey: blah - thanks18:12
Mech422mark-casey: be nice if something actually took the foreman approach and used an agent to talk to existing dhcp servers18:12
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mark-caseyMech422: kind of off in left field for kolla at the moment, but I''ve been chasing down coreos's bootcfg service to get some bare metal nodes set up on coreos for kolla to use. Bootcfg is just an http endpoint that serves cloud configs, and you run it alongside a dnsmasq service that works with existing DHCP.18:17
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mark-caseyapparently it is legal to have a separate DHCP daemon respond with just the pxe options18:17
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DavieyMech422: I understood influx was an alternative to influxdb for metric storage18:29
Davieyerr, graphite18:29
Davieywhere rendering tools can use either18:30
Mech422mark-casey: oh - I'll have to look at that - thanks for the pointer!18:31
DavieyMech422: Having a dedicated vlan to provisioning also means you can have as many dhcp servers as you choose18:31
Mech422Daviey: yeah - but then you get into 'can this node pxe boot off a vlan', etc18:32
DavieyMech422: with ipxe, everything can boot from a vlan18:32
Mech422Daviey: also, I basically can't touch our dhcp stuff18:32
Mech422Daviey: oh? wasn't aware of that - haven't played with ipxe18:33
DavieyMech422: yeah.. if you can get the current dhcp server to provide pxe to ipxe18:33
Davieyyou can then upgrade to a vlan of your choice18:33
Davieythe ipxe image can have a config to join a vlan18:33
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Mech422Daviey: I'll have to think about that...18:34
Mech422Daviey: getting any network changes past our NetEng guys is a royal PITA18:34
Mech422Daviey: for now, I've just been bootstrapping manually and using ansible to provision18:34
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DavieyMHP Servers?18:35
DavieyMech422: HP Servers?18:35
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Mech422Daviey: umm - prod is mostly SuperMicro and Dell I think18:36
Mech422Daviey: my home lab is HP/DEll18:36
DavieyMech422: Well.. with HP, you can use ironic to 'upload' ipxe directly to the server.. so it can boot from your vlan without dhcp18:36
Davieyi don't know about SM or Dell18:36
Mech422Daviey: Hmm - maybe I'll play with that next time I redo the networking...18:37
DavieyNo networking to redo with that model18:38
Mech422Daviey: currently I provision off a native/untagged vlan at home - then switch to vlans when I've bootstrapped LInux enough to get vlan support18:38
Mech422Daviey: LOL - every time I touch my networking, its a redo/rebuild - thats what happens when you let a dev. play with network gear :-P18:39
Davieyhah18:39
DavieyMech422: for some servers, you can burn ipxe into the rom.. which would also solve your issue18:39
mark-caseymay be in scrollback but you can chainload to ipxe too18:40
Mech422Daviey: umm - yeah, NetEng would never go for that...18:40
Davieymark-casey: right, i said he could get his legacy dhcp serve to chainload to ipxe18:40
Davieyand then get his dhcp server18:40
Mech422anyway - not a big issue for us yet, as openstack is just getting started at our place...18:40
mark-caseyhah. now I see it :D18:40
DavieyMech422: But you are building servers by hand???18:41
Mech422Daviey: no - supermicro/dell pre-configure for us18:41
DavieyMech422: rebuilds?18:41
Mech422Daviey: dunno - I'm a dev...18:41
Mech422Daviey: boxes just magically appear when I ask for them18:41
DavieyIf i can't rebuild a server 10 times a day, i'm miserable18:41
Mech422oh - at home, I can - foreman/pre-seed/ansible - but at work I have no clue18:42
DavieyMech422: deploy via umpa lumpa18:43
Mech422umpa lumpa?  you mean sysops ?18:44
Davieysame thing18:45
Mech422heh18:46
Mech422our sysops guys are ok - netops/neteng are the pains...18:46
Mech422we're a CDN, so anything 'networkey' requires an act of god and congress18:46
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openstackgerritRichard Winters proposed openstack/kolla: Customizations for openvswitch  https://review.openstack.org/34683719:12
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openstackgerritsean mooney proposed openstack/kolla: [WIP] adds support for ovs with dpdk netdev datapath  https://review.openstack.org/34235420:16
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michaudshi all, anyone aware of any initiatives to deploy monasca through kolla?20:26
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sdakemichauds we take patches :)20:36
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sdakemichauds but atm nobody has tackled monasca that i am aware of20:36
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dims_sdake : thanks for raising the issue on the ML. will help re-double my efforts20:40
sdakeas I've already stated I don't care  about duplication - just looking  for an accurate assessment of the various projects in openstack20:41
sdakeeveryone in the community has a reponsibility to protect the four opens, for example20:42
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dims_sdake : yep, agree20:42
sdakei personallly believe projects have a fundamental right to innovate in whatever way they see fit20:43
sdakeso its not like i'm going to block or try to block any mission statement changes20:43
dims_i hear you.20:45
dims_others, please chime in the ML thread. the more folks i hear from, the better20:45
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Davieydims_: Unless there is fundamental differences in the technology.. I'd like to see a justification as to why collaboration hasn't been sought20:54
Davieyfragmenting the community, in an area where there aren't than many people isn't helpful to OpenStack.20:55
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dims_Daviey : not disagreeing with you. but here are the pointers to what was done before - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330575/ - http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-06-29-16.00.log.html20:57
patchbotdims_: patch 330575 - kolla - Proposal spec for universal containers20:57
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dims_Daviey : +1 to feedback that sentiment on ML20:58
sdakeDaviey i wish we could have had collaboration - I think the sticking point was around a technical issue about the number of repositories20:58
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Mech422dam..tulsi gabbard is rockin it...20:59
Mech422err..sorry - wrong channel20:59
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sdakehuh21:01
sdakewhos tulsi gabbard21:01
Mech422sdake: congresswoman from hawaii that quit the DNC national commitee to campaign for Bernie Sanders21:02
Mech422sdake: she just gave his nominating speech21:03
sdakei thought he lost\21:03
Mech422sdake: its an electoral college sort of thing..21:03
Mech422sdake: there is a roll call vote of the delegates in about 30-60 minutes21:03
sdakeoh even the losers go then?21:04
Mech422sdake: clinton is expected to win, of course - but its pretty interesting21:04
Mech422sdake: how do you think we ended up with pres bush ? gore won the popular vote...21:04
sdakefirst or second one21:04
Mech422sdake: it wouldn't be america if it was straightforward :-)21:04
sdakeevery american president has been pretty terrible21:05
sdakemission impossible every day21:05
sdakehard to criticize without living it21:05
sdakeis the dnc on now?21:06
dims_started last night21:06
sdakewhens the speech about nominiation acceptance21:06
Mech422cnn / cspan/ msnbc/etc21:07
sdakei'll have to catch that, watched the rnc acceptance speech21:07
dims_Thu night i believe http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/democratic-convention-viewers-guide/21:07
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sdakethanks dims_21:08
sdakewill help me decide which one of these idiots to vote for :)21:08
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Mech422clintons nominating speakers are up next I think - bernies 3 were just up21:08
dims_y i watched a lot of the RNC, first day of DNC was interesting as well.21:08
sdakei only watched the nomination speech and of course the replay loop of that cat making an ass out of himself21:09
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sdakehttps://www.quora.com/How-is-the-state-different-from-a-gang21:10
michaudssdake alright, thanks! ;)21:21
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kfox1111dims_: the conversation kind of stopped, but it didn't sound like anyone was blocking it.21:53
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kfox1111in fact, we've tried really hard to make the ansible workflow piece seperable from the kubernetes piece in kolla-kubernetes so it should be possible to drive it with puppet or other orchestration tools.21:54
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dims_kfox1111 : i know, you can see some of my commits to kolla-kubernetes :)22:06
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sdakedinner time22:09
sdakebbl22:09
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openstackgerritKen Wronkiewicz proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Remove hostnetworking for Nova control plane and convert to RC  https://review.openstack.org/34757222:35
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kfox1111sdake: wb.22:48
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sdake_acclamation22:55
sdake_haven't heard that word before22:55
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Mech422sdake_: yeah - that was interesting...22:57
Mech422sdake_: bernie's brother getting to vote for him was nice22:57
sdake_i just caught the last 5 miutes22:57
sdake_s22:57
sdake_when i got to my folks house22:58
sdake_wife out of town - so parents feeding me today :)22:58
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Mech422sdake_: LOL - the sanders delegates occupied the media tent at the DNC - young turks is covering it live23:14
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sdake_i can't wait for the email dump prior to the election that the hackers have to have23:18
sdake_its like the last season of "America the Great" and the writers are going fucking nuts!23:18
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Mech422sdake_: seriously - we ask for 'different' politicians...dam, did we get them ....23:19
Mech422sdake_: how's that curse go? "May you live in interesting times"?23:20
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openstackgerritRichard Winters proposed openstack/kolla: Customizations for openvswitch  https://review.openstack.org/34683723:27
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jascott1"meet the new boss..." <music notes>23:29
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