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| openstackgerrit | Zeyu Zhu proposed openstack/kolla master: Modify the version of skydive to v0.14.0 https://review.openstack.org/520851 | 00:51 |
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| mikal | rwellum: you around? | 01:17 |
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| mikal | rwellum: continuing on from yesterday, starting mariadb with helm results in the init-element being in a crash loop. Thoughts? | 01:17 |
| mikal | rwellum: the pod logs are unhelpful | 01:17 |
| jascott1 | mikal nothing in describe? | 01:19 |
| mikal | jascott1: not that I could see, but I am a k8s n00b so I'm not really sure what I am looking at | 01:20 |
| mikal | I'm going to delete the chart and recreate it to see if that helps | 01:20 |
| jascott1 | ususally a describe will have some reason with the status | 01:20 |
| jascott1 | like cant mount a volume | 01:20 |
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| jascott1 | if you have persistent db on and dont have dynamic storage it might do that. cant remember for sure | 01:21 |
| duonghq | morning guys | 01:22 |
| mikal | jascott1: so now I have a new problem... I deleted the helm release, but now can't create it again because helm still thinks its there | 01:22 |
| mikal | Oh, I can purge it | 01:23 |
| jascott1 | yeah | 01:23 |
| mikal | Sorry for being a n00b | 01:23 |
| jascott1 | np we all noobs all the time at something right | 01:23 |
| mikal | I do have persistent storage turned on... | 01:24 |
| mikal | I don't see an error in the describe output though | 01:26 |
| mikal | Would it help if I pasted it somewhere? | 01:26 |
| mikal | http://paste.openstack.org/show/627020/ | 01:28 |
| mikal | jascott1: yes, I think I need to learn how to setup persistent volumes on my k8s before this will work | 01:32 |
| jascott1 | iirc you can disable it in cloud.yaml | 01:33 |
| mikal | But then if the pod dies I lose all of the state of my openstack, yes? | 01:33 |
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| jascott1 | mikal you have configmaps for secrets? | 01:37 |
| jascott1 | map imean | 01:37 |
| mikal | I don't know? What's a config map? | 01:37 |
| mikal | I'm just following the deployment guide, which hasn't mentioned that | 01:38 |
| mikal | https://docs.openstack.org/kolla-kubernetes/latest/deployment-guide.html | 01:38 |
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| jascott1 | config maps are created in k8s as collections of data like config files | 01:38 |
| jascott1 | you can create a configmap from a directory of config files, and each file will be a key in the configmap with the file contents | 01:39 |
| jascott1 | do a `kubectl get cm` | 01:39 |
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| jascott1 | in those instructions kollakube creates the configmap | 01:40 |
| jascott1 | configmpas | 01:40 |
| jascott1 | the contexts of each key from the configmap can be mounted as local file in the container | 01:41 |
| jascott1 | that way, config is centralized and reusable | 01:41 |
| jascott1 | mikal what does logs on 'mariadb-init-element-pgwqq' get you? | 01:42 |
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| jascott1 | ive got to bounce for a couple hours. will check back in | 01:45 |
| reddreamster | hi, I cannot enable ironic, when I enable ironic and copy initramfs, kernel into the config folder, then make a deploy. My controller nodes get stuck. Any suggestion? I'm using centos + source. | 01:50 |
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| reddreamster | iscsid container keeps restarting, with the error message: 'iscsid: Can not bind IPC socket' | 01:53 |
| mikal | jascott1: so, a "kubectl get cm -n kolla" shows a bunch of stuff | 01:54 |
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| mikal | jascott1: the last two lines of the logs for that container are: | 01:54 |
| mikal | 171122 12:48:24 mysqld_safe Logging to syslog. | 01:54 |
| mikal | 171122 12:48:24 mysqld_safe Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /var/lib/mysql | 01:54 |
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| Jeffrey4l | reddreamster, guess the iscsd is running on the host too. stop it. | 01:58 |
| reddreamster | hi Jeffrey41, yes, I've also googled this hint and I'm stoping those services | 01:59 |
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| reddreamster | Jeffrey41, the ironic_dnsmasq container is restarting, dnsmasq: bad dhcp-range at line 4 of /etc/dnsmasq.conf, should I make a config for it? | 02:32 |
| mikal | jascott1: I got it working. I needed to use centos in cloud.yaml, ubuntu does not seem to work | 02:38 |
| openstackgerrit | jinke proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add dvr_no_external l3 dvr agent mode https://review.openstack.org/510327 | 02:39 |
| openstackgerrit | jinke proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add dvr_no_external l3 dvr agent mode https://review.openstack.org/510327 | 02:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla master: Add squid cache proxy to speed up build https://review.openstack.org/521450 | 02:45 |
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| Jeffrey4l | reddreamster, https://github.com/openstack/kolla-ansible/blob/941f498107a2f5c96f58a675f7fd137458fca880/ansible/roles/ironic/defaults/main.yml#L65 this two value should be configuration | 02:50 |
| Jeffrey4l | and run reconfigure again. | 02:50 |
| reddreamster | Jeffrey41, ok I will have a try | 02:51 |
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| lxdong | How to delete pool in luminous? The mon_allow_pool_delete flag has been set to true in the Monitor’s configuration. | 02:53 |
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| lxdong | Health status turn to WARN with creating pools. | 03:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | jinke proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add dvr_no_external l3 dvr agent mode https://review.openstack.org/510327 | 03:27 |
| lxdong | once remove pools health recover | 03:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Wei Cao proposed openstack/kolla master: Add designate-producer container https://review.openstack.org/520299 | 03:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla stable/pike: Install libvirt-clients for nova-libvirt image https://review.openstack.org/521819 | 03:57 |
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| korean101 | hi guys | 04:01 |
| korean101 | i finished to deploy ocata release | 04:01 |
| korean101 | and also i finished to deploy pike release | 04:01 |
| korean101 | and finished to upgrade ocata to pike | 04:01 |
| korean101 | now i try to downgrade pike to ocata | 04:01 |
| korean101 | how can i do? | 04:01 |
| korean101 | any suggestion for me? | 04:02 |
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| mikal | Do I need to start the keystone-internal-svc pod separately somehow? | 04:09 |
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| korean101 | downgrade is not implemented? (https://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/stable/pike/specs/containerize-openstack.rst) | 04:36 |
| korean101 | now just specs? | 04:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla stable/pike: Fix the Ubuntu Fluentd image https://review.openstack.org/521045 | 04:45 |
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| lxdong | I remeber there are pools named .rgw.root and rbd created by containerized ceph, is it necessary to create these pools first? | 05:28 |
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| SamYaple | lxdong: radosgw creates those pools | 05:29 |
| SamYaple | automatically | 05:29 |
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| lxdong | I have no these pools. | 05:31 |
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| SamYaple | you will if you run radosgw. it will create them | 05:32 |
| lxdong | I thought it should be the way you said but can't find reference . Yes ,I ran radosgw ,no pools created. | 05:33 |
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| lxdong | SamYaple , is this the reason that once created pools manually , ceph will turn to WARN status and pgs are inactive. | 05:36 |
| lxdong | I ran radosgw literally, no options. | 05:38 |
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| lxdong | ceph-deploy --overwrite-conf rgw create compute01 compute02 created .rgw.root with default pgs number of 8 and all 8 pgs are inactive. | 05:54 |
| lxdong | 100.000% pgs not active | 05:55 |
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| Ashu | I am trying to enable tacker in kolla-ansible.. As per my knowledge for that we just need to set enable_tacker to yes... After dependent I am able to see tacker in horizon however no docker container service is spawned tacker | 06:07 |
| Ashu | Please help | 06:07 |
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| Jeffrey4l | duonghq, inc0 could you review https://review.openstack.org/521334 | 06:40 |
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| kolla-slack | <egonzalez> ashu, tacker requires barbican, mistral and redis to be enabled. There is a doc in kolla site | 06:55 |
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| egonzalez | Ashu, https://docs.openstack.org/kolla-ansible/latest/reference/tacker-guide.html | 06:59 |
| egonzalez | Ashu, tacker exists in kolla since ocata, older releases has no tacker supported | 07:01 |
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| korean101 | egonzalez: HI | 07:06 |
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| korean101 | egonzalez: can i downgrade pike to ocata? | 07:07 |
| korean101 | egonzalez: i can't see downgrade command | 07:07 |
| egonzalez | korean101, nope | 07:07 |
| korean101 | egonzalez: huh | 07:07 |
| egonzalez | there is no openstack way to downgrade | 07:07 |
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| egonzalez | you have to recover your database to a backup before upgrade, deploy older containers and probably restart all instances to pick new xml | 07:08 |
| egonzalez | and likely some inconsistency will be raised somewhere | 07:08 |
| korean101 | egonzalez: 7 page (http://s.itho.me/openstack/2016/102/102-2.pdf) | 07:09 |
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| egonzalez | korean101, re phrase my statement | 07:09 |
| egonzalez | you can downgrade in same release (pike 2 to pike 1) but not downgrade releases (pike to ocata) | 07:10 |
| korean101 | egonzalez: OK | 07:10 |
| Ashu | Hi can reconfigure also help when we enable new service in globals. Yml | 07:10 |
| korean101 | egonzalez: When upgrading or downgrading OpenStack (https://github.com/openstack/kolla-ansible/blob/stable/pike/specs/containerize-openstack.rst) | 07:11 |
| korean101 | egonzalez: this downgrading means minor version? | 07:11 |
| egonzalez | korean101, yes, mayor versions requires a lot more work than just came to a prior working state | 07:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Duong Ha-Quang proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Apply neutron database migration https://review.openstack.org/407922 | 07:12 |
| korean101 | egonzalez: really really helpful | 07:12 |
| korean101 | egonzalez: many thanks! | 07:13 |
| egonzalez | Ashu, yep or deploy | 07:13 |
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| Ashu | Hi enable mistral barbican and redis for tacker however deploy ment fails in task copying mistral. Conf dict object has no attitude redis | 07:18 |
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| egonzalez | Ashu, what release? | 07:43 |
| egonzalez | that services are required for pike, ocata only need tacker | 07:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla stable/ocata: Dockerhub publisher job https://review.openstack.org/521334 | 07:46 |
| Ashu | Pike | 07:46 |
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| egonzalez | Ashu, mind sharing globals.yml and exact log error? | 08:01 |
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| duonghq | egonzalez, ping | 08:05 |
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| egonzalez | duonghq, sup | 08:14 |
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| duonghq | egonzalez, can you help me on this log: http://logs.openstack.org/22/407922/22/check/kolla-ansible-ubuntu-source/6aa10a8/primary/docker_logs/fluentd.txt.gz | 08:15 |
| reddreamster | Hi, can I ask a question about ironic? One of my node is always in 'inspecting' state, how can I delete it? | 08:15 |
| duonghq | I cannot figure why fluent config is wrong, I do not touch the file | 08:16 |
| duonghq | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407922/ | 08:16 |
| egonzalez | duonghq, is being fixed, not sure if already done | 08:16 |
| duonghq | ah, thanks | 08:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Tibi proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Horizon multidomain flag https://review.openstack.org/521950 | 09:19 |
| ktibi | egonzalez Hi, If I want my review to be cherry-pick in stable/pike, what is the good way ? | 09:21 |
| egonzalez | ktibi, from my POV is a feature and shouldnt be backported | 09:22 |
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| ktibi | no for this PR, but for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/519302/ | 09:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Wei Cao proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Update URL in documents of zun and kuryr https://review.openstack.org/522195 | 09:48 |
| egonzalez | ktibi, not really sure, as may be a change that can break existing deployments | 09:55 |
| ktibi | egonzalez, ok so I'll continue to work with my own local repo for kolla | 09:58 |
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| jmccarthy | Anyone hit this before with swift ? http://paste.openstack.org/show/627054/ I can't see why my 'operator' node is involved in this task at all, I have checked the inventory .. | 10:01 |
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| ashu | Hello | 10:02 |
| ashu | I am facing issue with tacker I have enabled mistral redis barbican and tacker... Deploy ment fails in mistral showing dint obj has no attribute redis | 10:04 |
| ashu | I have asked question in https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/111262 | 10:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Wei Cao proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Update URL in documents of zun and kuryr https://review.openstack.org/522195 | 10:12 |
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| jmccarthy | Hmm ok I thought 2.2 would be ok, anyway updated to ansible 2.4.1 and the issue went away | 10:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Bourke (pbourke) proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add a precheck to ensure Cinder backend enabled https://review.openstack.org/521051 | 10:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Marcin Juszkiewicz proposed openstack/kolla master: kubernetes: get it working on AArch64 as well https://review.openstack.org/464045 | 10:35 |
| hrw | morning | 10:36 |
| hrw | can someone look at that kube change ^^? | 10:36 |
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| egonzalez | ashu, is redis group in inventory? | 10:53 |
| egonzalez | i'd say answer is no due the error message | 10:54 |
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| ashu | Yes Egonzalez found out the issue was in invetory thanks | 11:01 |
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| pratapagoutham | egonzalez: Compute log shows no error at all | 11:11 |
| pratapagoutham | I have sent a mail regarding the nova compute service doesnt come up | 11:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ravi Shekhar Jethani proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Remove checking m1.tiny flavor https://review.openstack.org/522221 | 11:51 |
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| lxdong | Build of instance f26fe02d-ba77-4ec8-8482-d62dc06eb959 aborted: Volume e56d5a7a-66d9-4b30-9183-c18bf121469f did not finish being created even after we waited 0 seconds or 1 attempts. And its status is error.] | 12:44 |
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| lxdong | external ceph can upload image while unable to create instance . | 12:45 |
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| lxdong | nova_compute logs http://paste.openstack.org/show/627075/ | 13:00 |
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| lxdong | cinder_volume logs http://paste.openstack.org/show/627083/ | 13:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla master: Add squid cache proxy to speed up build https://review.openstack.org/521450 | 14:21 |
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| pbourke | sbezverk: ping | 14:24 |
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| ktibi | anyone works on manila and ceph ?? | 15:02 |
| sbezverk | pbourke: pong | 15:12 |
| pbourke | sbezverk: hi :) just wrt to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309102/ | 15:13 |
| pbourke | i know it was a while ago | 15:13 |
| pbourke | but did this work ok for you? | 15:13 |
| sbezverk | pbourke yep | 15:13 |
| pbourke | I ask as we're seeing https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1573137 | 15:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1573137 in kolla mitaka "need swift-rsync to run using port above 1024" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Serguei Bezverkhi (sbezverk) | 15:14 |
| pbourke | wait sorry, wrong link | 15:14 |
| pbourke | https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1733851 | 15:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1733851 in kolla "swift rsync operations fail, no daemon on port 873" [High,Confirmed] | 15:15 |
| pbourke | essentially swift is trying to rsync on the default privelaged port | 15:15 |
| pbourke | but our container is listening on the new port | 15:15 |
| jmccarthy | sbezverk: Oh your looking into that bug ? I am also, might have a temp fix - can you reproduce it ? | 15:18 |
| sbezverk | jmccarthy I am not looking into that bug, sorry | 15:19 |
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| jmccarthy | Oh ok - it'd be great if someone else also confirmed ;) | 15:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ravi Shekhar Jethani proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Don't change directory while running init-runonce https://review.openstack.org/521190 | 15:25 |
| jmccarthy | I think the 'sync_module' in the conf doesn't actually do anything .. | 15:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Ravi Shekhar Jethani proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Remove checking m1.tiny flavor https://review.openstack.org/522221 | 15:29 |
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| sdake | inc0 u about | 15:52 |
| inc0 | now I am | 15:55 |
| inc0 | good morning | 15:55 |
| sdake | sup | 15:56 |
| sdake | th ereview you wanted reviews on | 15:56 |
| sdake | did you get that? | 15:56 |
| inc0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/518797/ | 15:57 |
| inc0 | meeting in 2 | 15:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla stable/pike: Dockerhub publisher job https://review.openstack.org/518797 | 16:00 |
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| kfox1111 | morning. | 16:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible master: HyperV should not disable tunneling https://review.openstack.org/515660 | 16:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla master: Improve gate post jobs https://review.openstack.org/519969 | 16:27 |
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| ener938 | When is the meeting starting | 16:32 |
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| egonzalez | ener938 now, #openstack-meeting-4 | 16:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible master: Associate text to link https://review.openstack.org/512983 | 16:35 |
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| kfox1111 | inc0: ping | 16:52 |
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| inc0 | kfox1111: now I'm up | 17:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla master: Add squid cache proxy to speed up build https://review.openstack.org/521450 | 17:28 |
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| dmsimard | inc0: fyi it looks like the kolla jobs don't use the reverse proxy for trunk.rdoproject.org, seeing a lot of DNS lookup failures | 17:42 |
| dmsimard | inc0: logstash.openstack.org: (message:"Could not resolve host" OR message:"Name or service not known") AND message:"trunk.rdoproject.org" | 17:42 |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l: ^ | 17:43 |
| dmsimard | Jeffrey4l: I discussed squid (or something like that) a while back with inc0, is that what I think it is ? | 17:43 |
| inc0 | we had some issues with delorean few days back, I dont know much about it:( | 17:43 |
| inc0 | squid is not merged yet | 17:43 |
| dmsimard | inc0: there's DNS failures on a semi regular basis, it's not a one time thing | 17:43 |
| inc0 | we'll look into it, thanks dmsimard | 17:44 |
| dmsimard | I count 15 occurrences but it might be more, we've been having some issues with logstash | 17:44 |
| dmsimard | inc0: ack | 17:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla master: Change more repo url to infra mirror https://review.openstack.org/522318 | 18:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla master: Add squid cache proxy to speed up build https://review.openstack.org/521450 | 18:10 |
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| ntpttr | inc0: hey, if I need to tear down and redeploy my openstack how do i reconfigure ceph? I didn't, I just did the kolla-ansible destroy command, and now trying to deploy again is giving me failures with ceph | 18:21 |
| inc0 | what kind of failures? | 18:22 |
| inc0 | (don't forget you'll need to mark disks with BOOTSTRAP thingy again) | 18:23 |
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| jamesbenson | ntpttr: Is it external ceph? | 18:26 |
| ntpttr | jamesbenson: no, just trying to deploy ceph with kolla ala https://docs.openstack.org/kolla-ansible/ocata/ceph-guide.html | 18:27 |
| jamesbenson | ntpttr: did you do what inc0 mentioned, relabeling the disks? | 18:40 |
| ntpttr | yes, running the deploy now to see what happens | 18:41 |
| jamesbenson | if you didn't do that before, it'll produce errors, hoepfully that will fix it | 18:41 |
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| jamesbenson | inc0: you'll be proud, I'm digging deeper into k8s now... ;-) | 18:41 |
| inc0 | nice | 18:42 |
| inc0 | I'm digging deeper into pxe;) | 18:42 |
| inc0 | you're going forward, I'm going backwards | 18:42 |
| jamesbenson | lol, but your solution could solve a lot of fundamental problems ;-) | 18:48 |
| inc0 | right now it's mostly kfox1111's solution | 18:48 |
| jamesbenson | *your plural? ... silly english language. | 18:49 |
| inc0 | he might very well be if you look at amount of work he cracks up, but it's his solution not mine | 18:50 |
| jamesbenson | Personally it completely baffles me ubuntu's solution for maas isn't more elegant. | 18:51 |
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| inc0 | I don't like giant monolyths, that's why maas is meh for me | 18:52 |
| inc0 | solution we work on will be microservice based | 18:52 |
| jamesbenson | definitely | 18:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andy Smith proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add support for hybrid messaging backends https://review.openstack.org/468966 | 19:10 |
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| jascott1 | inc0 cobbler not good enough? | 19:42 |
| inc0 | ever tried to use it? | 19:42 |
| inc0 | jascott1: since I have your attention | 19:44 |
| jascott1 | I have | 19:44 |
| inc0 | what's best way to simulate python's dict update in golang? | 19:45 |
| jascott1 | does it overwrite keys? | 19:45 |
| inc0 | a = {'foo': 'bar', 'doos': 'foos'}; a.update({'foo': 'bas'}); a == {'foo': 'bas', 'doos': 'foos'} | 19:45 |
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| inc0 | basically waht I want to do is to have yaml file inheritance | 19:46 |
| inc0 | where you can specify parent struct and it will produce struct combined of these parents | 19:47 |
| jascott1 | well an update would be a loop like for k, v := range mymapNEW{ mymapORIG[k] = v } | 19:47 |
| kfox1111 | jascott1: cobbler's getting long in the tooth and they keep breaking it on us. | 19:48 |
| kfox1111 | and its very monolythic. | 19:48 |
| kfox1111 | been working on replacing it with microservices on k8s. :) | 19:48 |
| inc0 | also writing kickstart/preseed files is old | 19:48 |
| jascott1 | MAAS looked like overkill for some situations tho | 19:48 |
| jascott1 | from what little I know about it | 19:49 |
| kfox1111 | can then easily replace parts of it with your own parts if your site needs a particular tweak, without reworking the whole stack. | 19:49 |
| inc0 | that's exactly why me and kfox work on simple solutioon;) | 19:49 |
| * kfox1111 nods. | 19:49 | |
| jascott1 | nice | 19:49 |
| kfox1111 | Ireally like cobblers simplicity. the architecture is just old/stinky. | 19:49 |
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| kfox1111 | with k8s and cloud native being a thing, we can do better with a rewrite now I think. | 19:49 |
| jascott1 | inc0 struct? its usually a map | 19:49 |
| inc0 | jascott1: if you want in | 19:49 |
| inc0 | I could use help with this golangy thing | 19:50 |
| jascott1 | sure im still troubleshooting exce/logs prob on cluster | 19:50 |
| inc0 | so consider this: we want to have yamls: one for basic OS configuration(will say ubuntu.yaml and centos.yaml) | 19:50 |
| jascott1 | thinking its node dns reslution | 19:50 |
| inc0 | another file with raid configuration | 19:51 |
| inc0 | and you'll have one struct at the bottom saying parent: - ubuntu.yaml - raid.yaml | 19:51 |
| kfox1111 | ping on slack | 19:52 |
| kfox1111 | lets take it there. | 19:52 |
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| jmccarthy | Does kolla have a slack channel ? | 19:54 |
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| jascott1 | jmccarthy there is a slack bride to kubernetes slack | 20:08 |
| kolla-slack | <james.m.mccarthy> Sweet | 20:13 |
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| rwellum | kfox1111: inc0 So kevinz see's the same libvirt issue that I do and we have the following bug written up: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1733806 | 20:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1733806 in kolla "Deploy Nova libvirt with Kolla kubernetes get error for libvirt" [Undecided,New] | 20:23 |
| rwellum | kfox1111: I think when we spoke about this before you were going to bring up a cluster and see if you saw it too? | 20:24 |
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| rwellum | jascott1: any luck getting k8 sup? | 20:25 |
| jascott1 | still have exec/logs problem :( | 20:25 |
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| jascott1 | rwellum do you have node name resolution (DNS) working for nodes? | 20:25 |
| jascott1 | i dont have that and found some related threads suggesting thats required | 20:26 |
| jascott1 | (not just /etc/hosts entries) | 20:26 |
| kfox1111 | rwellum: yeah. sorry. just haven't had time to dig into that. :( | 20:27 |
| rwellum | jascott1: yes no problem there. | 20:27 |
| kfox1111 | I'm not running anything so new as 5.x | 20:27 |
| kfox1111 | we're just now talking about getting to ocata. :( | 20:28 |
| rwellum | kfox1111: np - just checking | 20:28 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. sorry. | 20:29 |
| kfox1111 | wish I had more time to help. :( | 20:29 |
| rwellum | jascott1: these are three issues I've had to deal with lately. https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/5OSQUIwC/ | 20:30 |
| rwellum | Literally had to use all three fixes to make things work | 20:30 |
| rwellum | kfox1111: working on a Cinder/storage project that needs pike unfortunately. | 20:30 |
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| rwellum | They are telling me: ''it works with devstack". | 20:31 |
| kfox1111 | heh. did you see my rant on the devel mailing list? | 20:31 |
| kfox1111 | "why do ops never keep up to date with openstack" | 20:31 |
| rwellum | Not yet - will go check :) | 20:31 |
| kfox1111 | it was a while back. | 20:32 |
| kfox1111 | "because upgrades suck becuase the devs never bother.they just spit out fresh devstacks" | 20:32 |
| kfox1111 | if devs bother to try and use their own system, then they might feel the same pain, and be inclined to fix it. | 20:33 |
| rwellum | Yeah that's why the dev mode inc0 is pushing is so freaking awesome to me. | 20:33 |
| kfox1111 | +1 | 20:33 |
| kfox1111 | if it hurts, do it often until it stops hurting. | 20:34 |
| kfox1111 | openstack devs need to start doing upgrades themselves. | 20:34 |
| kfox1111 | then they will make it hurt less because they will be helping themselves. | 20:34 |
| rwellum | Yes exactly. | 20:34 |
| kfox1111 | right now, they don't even realize there is a hurt. | 20:34 |
| kfox1111 | and blame ops for complaining. :( | 20:34 |
| kfox1111 | and us ops are going away because of it. | 20:34 |
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| kfox1111 | which means their employoers will stop paying them to work on it. | 20:35 |
| kfox1111 | which doesn't benifit them. | 20:35 |
| inc0 | I don't push devmode that much, I'd love it to happen but I don't have energy to push it :( | 20:35 |
| kfox1111 | but they seem blindsided by it, which they shouldn't. I'v ebeen warning them for years. :( | 20:35 |
| rwellum | it's like a growing pain; I worked for a company that starts with a 'C' and we went through the same thing. Eventually you have to listen to your customers. | 20:35 |
| kfox1111 | yup. | 20:35 |
| kfox1111 | you either listen, or die. | 20:35 |
| inc0 | communities doesn't have customers | 20:36 |
| inc0 | that's the issue | 20:36 |
| kfox1111 | I suspect openstack will largely die off. their listeners are still not on. | 20:36 |
| rwellum | well customers=operators no? | 20:36 |
| kfox1111 | yup. they absolutely have customers. | 20:36 |
| kfox1111 | its just a bit more round about. | 20:36 |
| kfox1111 | the pay structure is very different. | 20:36 |
| inc0 | well, they *should* have customers | 20:36 |
| kfox1111 | with open source, | 20:36 |
| inc0 | and ops should be customers | 20:36 |
| inc0 | but with community it doesn't work this way | 20:37 |
| kfox1111 | the more users you have the better. as a small portion of users become developers. | 20:37 |
| kfox1111 | the more users you have, the more developers you can mobilize. | 20:37 |
| kfox1111 | its done directly, by non paying customers use your stuff and put up devs, | 20:37 |
| inc0 | what I think is problem in OpenStack is that there is dev community and there is ops community | 20:37 |
| kfox1111 | or indirectly through resellers like redhat, | 20:37 |
| inc0 | and they don't touch nearly as much as they should | 20:37 |
| kfox1111 | who have paying customers, and some of the income is directed to devs to make the system better. | 20:37 |
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| inc0 | ops rarely go to ptg, devs rarely go to ops midcycle | 20:38 |
| inc0 | and neither goes to forum | 20:38 |
| rwellum | One thing confuses me - I thought this was the strength of being a devops. I mean I'd consider most of you guys devops - especially people like kfox1111. | 20:38 |
| kfox1111 | iether way, end users = life in open source. | 20:38 |
| inc0 | well rwellum deployment tools are a bit different culture | 20:38 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. openstack devs really are out of touch with ops. and even other openstack devs. :( | 20:38 |
| inc0 | you have most of devops here | 20:38 |
| inc0 | but it's not standard in non-deployment projects | 20:39 |
| kfox1111 | rwellum: yeah, I'm kind of devops. but I'm also something different. | 20:39 |
| kfox1111 | devops is kind of about using devel like tools for deployment. | 20:39 |
| kfox1111 | I do that, but also do something entirely different. | 20:39 |
| kfox1111 | I try and keep about 50% of my time doing dev work, and about 50% of my time doing ops work. pure. | 20:39 |
| kfox1111 | the idea being, if I'm a dev, I can bring in ops knowlege and share with devs what ops need. | 20:40 |
| inc0 | that's the premise of devops | 20:40 |
| inc0 | you run what you make | 20:40 |
| kfox1111 | and as an op, I know what devs can and cant do and can find the stuff that wil really bight us and mitigate it, while not worrying so much about new things. | 20:40 |
| inc0 | if you make crap, it's you that'll get hurt by it | 20:40 |
| kfox1111 | inc0: yeah, but thats my point. I don't run what I make. | 20:40 |
| kfox1111 | I try and interface with devs a lot of times too in getting them to understand what ops needs and how they think. | 20:41 |
| kfox1111 | which is why I advocate so much to openstack-dev. | 20:41 |
| rwellum | That's actually much harder imo kfox1111 | 20:41 |
| rwellum | You straddle both worlds. | 20:41 |
| kfox1111 | right. | 20:41 |
| kfox1111 | dev, ops and devops are actually 3 different worlds. | 20:41 |
| kfox1111 | I use devops myself for my own deployments, but I also play in the other 2 spaces. | 20:42 |
| kfox1111 | and I think I'm a better dev for knowing ops, and a better op for knowing dev. | 20:42 |
| kfox1111 | (I may be delusional. ;) | 20:42 |
| inc0 | we are all a bit psychotic | 20:43 |
| rwellum | lol inc0 | 20:43 |
| rwellum | I'm def. dev - with maybe 10% ops. But you can see my lack of real-world experience in ops. One thing I need more training in; help -whatever... I simply can't figure out why the pike issue I am seeing is not occurring in our kolla-k8s gates. I wish the code and outputs were more readable - but maybe this is just me. But I feel like if I am seeing a problem, but our CI/CD is not - something is broken in the | 20:45 |
| rwellum | process. | 20:45 |
| kfox1111 | rwellum: I don't think we have workign pike gates? | 20:48 |
| kfox1111 | if its not tested, its borken. :( | 20:48 |
| kfox1111 | I don't think it woudl take someone long to add them? | 20:48 |
| rwellum | kfox1111: I think sbezverk added (with the docker registry) but I also think it's truly master - so not stable/pike - could be wrong. | 20:50 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. I think thats trunk. | 20:51 |
| kfox1111 | but I think thats still experimental too? | 20:51 |
| kfox1111 | not sure anyone checks it. | 20:51 |
| rwellum | Ah that might be true. | 20:52 |
| kfox1111 | might be a good test case though. submit a dummy change and do a 'check experimental' on it. | 20:52 |
| kfox1111 | and check the results. | 20:52 |
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| rwellum | yeah good point. | 20:52 |
| rwellum | kfox1111: wouldn't kolla-ansible technically see the same issue? | 20:54 |
| kfox1111 | maybe, maybe not. depends on the reason for the breakage. | 20:55 |
| kfox1111 | if its a needed config file change or some other docker runtime option change, maybe not. | 20:56 |
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| rwellum | But just to check; pike is being tested in the gates for kolla-ansible afayk? | 20:58 |
| kfox1111 | don't know. | 20:59 |
| kfox1111 | I don't think the released containers get tested much. | 20:59 |
| kfox1111 | and self built ones are always a crapshoot. :( | 20:59 |
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| rwellum | Containers are supposed to fix these issues :) | 21:01 |
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| kfox1111 | rwellum: tested containers can. :) | 21:06 |
| kfox1111 | kolla isn't buidl that way currently htough. :( | 21:07 |
| kfox1111 | kolla's docker hub needs fresh, stable released containers that are tested. | 21:07 |
| kfox1111 | (its a work in progress) | 21:07 |
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| rwellum | Yeah following that effort very closely. | 21:20 |
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| sbezverk | pike used to work for a long time until something broke the gate | 21:31 |
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| sdake | my guess is a qemu upstream chagne | 21:39 |
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| rwellum | sbezverk: you know what issue it's failing on? | 21:42 |
| rwellum | sdake: we can restrict qemu to a known working version I guess. | 21:42 |
| sdake | you assume that version is in the rdo repo :) | 21:42 |
| sdake | or the UCA repo | 21:43 |
| sdake | generally old versions are removed | 21:43 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. thats why we keep cobbler mirrors of it all. :( | 21:44 |
| kfox1111 | its a pain, but prevents random updates from breaking you at inoppertune times. | 21:44 |
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| kfox1111 | the current kolla build it yourself infra doesn't take that kind of issue into account. | 21:44 |
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| rwellum | gah - nasty | 21:48 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. thats one of the reasons I want fresh tested hub images so much. | 21:49 |
| kfox1111 | so users don't have to worry about that ugly. | 21:49 |
| kfox1111 | unless they want to. :) | 21:49 |
| kfox1111 | the testing kolla does currently is "it worked at one point in time". | 21:51 |
| kfox1111 | not, it currently builds/works now if you were to build your own. | 21:51 |
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| kfox1111 | and often the time difference between it was tested, and you building is enough different that lots of things change. | 21:51 |
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| rwellum | It truly is yeah. | 22:04 |
| kfox1111 | the biggest benifit of containers I can see is the, deploy what you tested feature. | 22:09 |
| kfox1111 | which kolla doesn't currently take great advantage of yet. | 22:09 |
| kfox1111 | the exact container that was tested has to be shipped. | 22:09 |
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| sdake | kfox1111 this was being done prior to the TC motion to keep kolla from publishing docker images | 22:42 |
| sdake | kfox1111 (hence 4.0 images and prior are all good to go) | 22:42 |
| sdake | and on that note, its nap time :) | 22:42 |
| kfox1111 | agreed, once implemented. | 22:42 |
| kfox1111 | still not there yet. | 22:42 |
| sdake | it was there :) | 22:42 |
| kfox1111 | hoping it will be weeks, but fearing it will be many months. | 22:42 |
| kfox1111 | the current implementation only pushes trunk. | 22:43 |
| kfox1111 | not a viable solution for non devs. | 22:43 |
| sdake | i can't speak to the current situation - the tc does not want kolla to push stable releases | 22:43 |
| kfox1111 | the non trunk solution is not trivally the same as the trunk solution so will tkae time to develop. | 22:44 |
| sdake | that is my understanding of the situation but I could be mistaken | 22:44 |
| kfox1111 | I know the tc doesn't want it. but that doesn't mean they are right on what is best for openstack. :( | 22:44 |
| sdake | nap time - i'll bbl :) | 22:44 |
| kfox1111 | l8r. | 22:44 |
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