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| SamYaple | morning | 01:34 |
| hrw | http://people.linaro.org/~marcin.juszkiewicz/kolla/ refreshed to show build status of queens on aarch64 and x86-64 architectures. inc0 sdake Jeffrey4l rwellum: take a look | 01:36 |
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| inc0 | nice hrw :) | 03:00 |
| inc0 | great stuff | 03:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Liu proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Remove kolla_internal_address variable https://review.openstack.org/517580 | 03:31 |
| openstackgerrit | zenghui.shi proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add ptp ansible role https://review.openstack.org/519219 | 03:47 |
| SamYaple | inc0: you know there is suppsoed to be a deprecation cycle for this kind of thing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/517580/ | 03:56 |
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| Jeffrey4l | SamYaple, yes. forgot that. should deprecated now. | 04:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | zenghui.shi proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add ptp ansible role https://review.openstack.org/519219 | 08:07 |
| lxdong | how to configure non-default ssh port for kolla-ansible ? | 08:08 |
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| SamYaple | lxdong: its ansible, so use your ssh/config file | 08:12 |
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| cah_link | Hey all together: I have a question. It seems like kolla build always pulls the "master" tarball. So if i want to have 4.0.0 i get what? 6.0.0.0b2? | 09:08 |
| cah_link | how could i install a containerized ocata openstack | 09:09 |
| cah_link | ? | 09:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jianghua Wang proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: XenAPI: Support neutron configuration https://review.openstack.org/525999 | 09:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | zhangfei gao proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: ironic-pxe: support pxe uefi mode https://review.openstack.org/513353 | 09:44 |
| dasTor | cah_link, what did you set for openstack_release in zour globals.yml ? | 09:44 |
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| dasTor | if you set for example: openstack_release: "4.0.0" - you should get 4.0.0 | 09:45 |
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| cah_link | dasTor: i set 4.0.0 in the globals.yml. But i create the images with kolla-build -t source ... | 10:15 |
| cah_link | dasTor: now i realize that in kolla-build.conf by default all used tarballs are "master" | 10:16 |
| cah_link | dasTor: so you say if i build from binary i should get the correct version? | 10:19 |
| cah_link | dasTor: and if I do from source i have to specify the source first because if I don't do that i get master | 10:21 |
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| manheim | morning | 10:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dan Ardelean proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Implement cinder-smb-hyperv ansible role https://review.openstack.org/508530 | 13:19 |
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| cah_link | hi together. If I create kolla-build.conf with tox and copy it to /etc/kolla, I get "oslo_config.cfg.NoSuchOptError: no such option almanach-user in group [DEFAULT]" on kolla-build. | 13:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michal Rostecki proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: dev mode: Add support for neutron https://review.openstack.org/526466 | 13:59 |
| rwellum | cah_link: have you read the build images doc yet? | 14:03 |
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| rwellum | cah_link: https://docs.openstack.org/kolla/latest/admin/image-building.html | 14:03 |
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| cah_link | rwellum: yeah I read this multiple times. Could you please tell me what part of that site i have missed? | 14:14 |
| cah_link | or where i got something missunderstood | 14:15 |
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| cah_link | rwellum: As far as i see. I have done that is said on this site.... install tox, create kolla-build.conf, kolla-build ... | 14:19 |
| rwellum | The part about pulling master tarballs I am not sure about. Maybe inc0 can help there. The other part - maybe | 14:21 |
| rwellum | cah_link: so you can checkout kolla to the correct branch - i.e ocata - then it will source ocata tarballs afaik | 14:21 |
| rwellum | I make the changes directly to kolla project then run ./tools/build.py - because I too have had similar issues with finding the correct config files. | 14:22 |
| rwellum | cah_link: I can share my exact steps if you want? | 14:23 |
| cah_link | rwellum: I have tested switching to ocata branch and create the kolla-build.conf new. there now these is no almanach part. so i think it would run | 14:29 |
| cah_link | but why if i want to have pike? | 14:30 |
| rwellum | Pike works for me. | 14:30 |
| cah_link | on Pike there i got the error "oslo_config.cfg.NoSuchOptError: no such option almanach-user in group [DEFAULT]" | 14:31 |
| rwellum | cah_link: check and see if you have all these steps? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/GpLwAXnB/ | 14:32 |
| cah_link | rwellum: aww d... ok now i got a clue | 14:34 |
| rwellum | Note I'm pushing to dockerhub - but you can build them locally, or to a local registry | 14:35 |
| rwellum | HTH | 14:35 |
| rwellum | I think the doc should be updated a bit - I prefer my description above, but the above is specific to a few cases, the doc tries to cover them all. | 14:36 |
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| kolla-slack | <aslancimbom100> `171208 17:40:29 [ERROR] WSREP: gcs/src/gcs.cpp:gcs_open():1404: Failed to open channel 'openstack' at 'gcomm://192.168.10.54:4567,192.168.10.55:4567,192.168.10.56:4567': -110 (Connection timed out)` | 14:40 |
| kolla-slack | <aslancimbom100> anyone seen that before on mariadb container? | 14:41 |
| cah_link | rwellum: yeah there it is... i didnt check out otaca before. 'I still was at master so in the kolla-build.cond all tarbals are master | 14:43 |
| cah_link | with ocata branch now i see the correct tarballs | 14:44 |
| cah_link | many thx | 14:44 |
| rwellum | cah_link: sweet | 14:44 |
| rwellum | cah_link: now you can build and run onkolla-kubernetes :) | 14:44 |
| cah_link | rwellum: haha you are funny.... noooo ....i have to build it with chef..... don't ask | 14:46 |
| cah_link | with kolla-kubernetes this would be too easy... haha | 14:46 |
| rwellum | Ugh ruby | 14:47 |
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| kolla-slack | <aslancimbom100> @egonzalez https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla-ansible/+bug/1692507 | 14:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1692507 in kolla-ansible ocata "mariadb multinode upgrade broken ocata-pike" [Critical,Triaged] | 14:54 |
| kolla-slack | <aslancimbom100> Is there a non-upgrade fix? | 14:54 |
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| dardelean_ | is there something build-in kolla to pull images from dockerhub and dump them in a local registry? | 14:57 |
| rwellum | dardelean: of course. :) | 14:59 |
| rwellum | kolla build with --pull and --push to registery | 15:00 |
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| dardelean_ | rwellum great, ty | 15:05 |
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| dardelean_ | that is the exact difference between kolla-ansible pull and kolla-build --pull? kolla-build --pull will only update my existing images? | 15:10 |
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| dardelean_ | I have no images atm | 15:10 |
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| sdake | moring peeps | 15:36 |
| sdake | jascott around? | 15:37 |
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| rwellum | dardelean_: don't use kolla-ansible - but I expect that's a deployment pull - just getting the images to run. | 15:48 |
| dardelean_ | rwellum I am already building the images myself...will push to local registry afterwards | 15:49 |
| rwellum | dardelean_: aiui - kolla-build --pull will update your images, if there's a change in source, or --nocache | 15:49 |
| rwellum | dardelean_: yeah - you could do it in one step I htink. | 15:50 |
| rwellum | Morning sdake | 15:51 |
| rwellum | kubecon makes this channel very quiet I think | 15:51 |
| dardelean_ | this a bit confusing | 16:00 |
| dardelean_ | so I build the images | 16:00 |
| dardelean_ | and how I want t opush them to my local repo with "kolla-build --registry 192.168.100.51:5000 --push" | 16:01 |
| dardelean_ | but how it's rebuilding centos images, in globals.yml I have ubuntu as type | 16:01 |
| dardelean_ | but now* | 16:01 |
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| sdake | sup rwellum | 16:23 |
| sdake | rwellum ya - conference time makes everything quiet | 16:24 |
| sdake | i've had about enough of travel :) so just having a breakfast and will likely be late toe the conf today | 16:24 |
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| k_mouza | dardelean_, from the documentation: | 16:27 |
| k_mouza | By default, the above command would build all images based on CentOS image. | 16:27 |
| k_mouza | The operator can change the base distro with the -b option: | 16:27 |
| k_mouza | kolla-build -b ubuntu | 16:27 |
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| inc0 | good morning | 16:37 |
| kfox1111 | morning. | 16:39 |
| kfox1111 | sdake: anything interesting going on at the conference? | 16:39 |
| kfox1111 | there was a bunch of anouncements wed, and then they all went quiet. | 16:40 |
| sdake | you remember how kubernetes sort of took over openstack summits | 16:40 |
| sdake | istio is sort of doing that now | 16:40 |
| kfox1111 | interesting. | 16:40 |
| kfox1111 | its kind of an important piece that wasn't solved. | 16:40 |
| kfox1111 | so glad its getting momentum. | 16:40 |
| sdake | there is also this: https://twitter.com/robcresswell/status/939132465096118276 | 16:41 |
| kfox1111 | anything on celium? I've been curious on that one. | 16:41 |
| sdake | ya some discussion | 16:41 |
| sdake | not really following celium much | 16:41 |
| sdake | there is an additional service mesh called conduit | 16:41 |
| kfox1111 | me neither, but looks promising. | 16:41 |
| kfox1111 | hmm. hadnt heard of that one. | 16:41 |
| sdake | amusingly enough I laid some conduit this last weekend ;-) | 16:41 |
| sdake | there are 4 or 5 service mesh talks | 16:42 |
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| sdake | I can say one thing, and you can quote me on this one | 16:42 |
| sdake | The sponsors of this event are spending money like drunken sailors ;-) | 16:42 |
| kfox1111 | rust and go. interestign choices. | 16:42 |
| cah_link | rwellum: this wasn't my idea... we got a complete openstack instalation deployed with chef (bare-metal). now I try to get this dockerized one by one | 16:42 |
| kfox1111 | sdake: yeah. I think most just took their money going into openstack and shifted it to k8s. | 16:43 |
| sdake | kfox1111 nah - these are mostly startups | 16:43 |
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| kfox1111 | ah. new round of startups. gotcha | 16:43 |
| sdake | kfox1111 the big cos work in both cncf and openstack | 16:44 |
| sdake | kfox1111 they may adjust their spending in openstack - however - the chuchu train of money hasn't ended for these confs :) | 16:45 |
| kfox1111 | ah, so conduit is from Buoyant too. | 16:45 |
| kfox1111 | that makes sence. | 16:45 |
| kfox1111 | they are loosing out to istio for good reason, so they gotta drop java. | 16:46 |
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| sdake | i found out kubernetes has not left incubation in cncf | 16:46 |
| kfox1111 | hmm. interesting. | 16:46 |
| sdake | no project has graduated the incubation stage | 16:46 |
| sdake | must be a high bar | 16:46 |
| kfox1111 | though I don't think they have figured out gradutation really yet. | 16:46 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 16:46 |
| kfox1111 | probably high in that they haven't fully figured out what graduation means yet. | 16:47 |
| sdake | i thought incubation was a high bar in openstack | 16:47 |
| sdake | very high | 16:47 |
| sdake | here for cncf projects it appears the project must have a corporate sponsor | 16:47 |
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| sdake | rather than "here is my open source project with a whole slew of corporate sponsors" | 16:47 |
| sdake | IOW - one throat to choke | 16:47 |
| inc0 | yay for communities | 16:48 |
| kfox1111 | thats kind of a problem. :/ | 16:48 |
| sdake | i could be misinformed | 16:48 |
| sdake | entirely possible ;) | 16:48 |
| kfox1111 | fair enough. | 16:48 |
| sdake | although every project that enters cncf has a company behidn it | 16:49 |
| kfox1111 | I'm kind of weirded out by the hyper+cc thing being in openstack. | 16:49 |
| sdake | rather than a motley crew of devs (sort of like kolla) :) | 16:49 |
| sdake | hyper+cc is not in openstack | 16:49 |
| sdake | its a separate thing | 16:49 |
| inc0 | it is | 16:49 |
| inc0 | well in openstack foundation | 16:49 |
| sdake | openstack simply provides legal/trademark/etc | 16:49 |
| kfox1111 | why not the cncf though? openstack seems like an odd place. | 16:49 |
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| sdake | kfox1111 openstack creating strategic focus areas | 16:50 |
| kfox1111 | it very clearly touches their stack. | 16:50 |
| inc0 | politics | 16:50 |
| sdake | kfox1111 this is the first one | 16:50 |
| kfox1111 | how does the foundation think this will effect openstack/cncf relations? | 16:50 |
| sdake | i think inc0's answer is simplisitic - the real answer is nobody knows :) | 16:50 |
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| inc0 | also I wouldn't be surprised if part of it is to keep cncf on it's toes | 16:50 |
| inc0 | things like that also matter | 16:50 |
| sdake | when we setup the strategic focus areas in the board, it was NOT TO COMPETE with CNCF | 16:51 |
| sdake | it was to redefine the core of openstack a bit more tidely | 16:51 |
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| kfox1111 | yeah, but a cri compatable container engine is very close to what cncf's about, and not what openstack thus far has provided at all. | 16:51 |
| sdake | and provide better marketing/legal support/business support at the board level to folks | 16:51 |
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| kolla-slack | <aslancimbom100> Anyone that can assist me? | 16:51 |
| kfox1111 | it feels like compitition. | 16:51 |
| inc0 | maybe it's because what you said?;) there is no singular corporate sponsor for kata | 16:51 |
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| kfox1111 | inc0: yeah, if t hat was true, then openstack is a better fit still. | 16:52 |
| sdake | hey felals - that was just my read on the conference - I don't think anyone has officially stated that | 16:52 |
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| sdake | IOW, I dont' see any project which doesn't have 1 or 2 corporate sponsors driving a project forward | 16:53 |
| inc0 | well truth is that cncf seems to be way more corporate than openstack ever was | 16:53 |
| inc0 | for me kind of red light was invite-only "k8s leadership summit" | 16:53 |
| kfox1111 | thats hard to believe. ;) | 16:53 |
| inc0 | and invites went to companies not people | 16:53 |
| sdake | invite-only events are troublesome, I'll give you that inc0 | 16:53 |
| inc0 | afair | 16:53 |
| kfox1111 | ah. yeah, that is a problem. | 16:54 |
| inc0 | we'll see how it goes | 16:54 |
| kfox1111 | a lot of openstacks current problems were from being too corperate friendly and not user friendly enough. | 16:54 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 16:54 |
| inc0 | also foundation != community | 16:55 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 16:55 |
| kfox1111 | they completely sidestepped the normal openstack community on the hyper+cc thing. | 16:56 |
| inc0 | yeah that's an interesting news | 16:56 |
| inc0 | I wonder what's next | 16:56 |
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| sdake | kfox1111 re hyper+cc, how do you mean sidestepped the normal openstack community? | 16:58 |
| sdake | these strategic focusw areas were announced at Sydney summit | 16:58 |
| sdake | I know you weren't there :) | 16:58 |
| inc0 | this is first non-openstack project in openstack foundation isn't it? | 16:58 |
| sdake | however it was sort of big news | 16:58 |
| kolla-slack | <aslancimbom100> @inc0 | 16:58 |
| sdake | inc0 indeed it is a pilot | 16:58 |
| inc0 | aslancimbom I'd really need more details regarding your problem;) | 16:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/kolla master: ironic-conductor: update list of drivers https://review.openstack.org/526734 | 16:59 |
| sdake | inc0 details - who needs those :) | 16:59 |
| sdake | inc0 if I have my way, whats next is zuul | 16:59 |
| sdake | although who knows :) | 16:59 |
| inc0 | zuul is already openstack community | 16:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Michal Rostecki proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: dev mode: Add support for neutron https://review.openstack.org/526466 | 17:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Michal Rostecki proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: dev mode: Add support for kuryr https://review.openstack.org/526735 | 17:00 |
| sdake | ci/cd was one of the focus areas | 17:00 |
| sdake | zuul naturally fits in that | 17:00 |
| inc0 | right | 17:00 |
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| kolla-slack | <aslancimbom100> my mariadb containers have stopped working with the same error in the bug, but im not upgrade, would like to start mariadb as it was. | 17:00 |
| inc0 | did you restart all mariadb containers at once? | 17:01 |
| kolla-slack | <aslancimbom100> yes, I now realize that was a big nonono, we all make mistakes :( | 17:01 |
| inc0 | it happens, but you need to do some manual work afterwards | 17:02 |
| inc0 | http://galeracluster.com/documentation-webpages/restartingcluster.html | 17:02 |
| inc0 | this is doc you need | 17:02 |
| kolla-slack | <aslancimbom100> i'm suppose to start db with wsrep-new-cluster, no sure how to do that with docker+ansible | 17:02 |
| inc0 | also fact that all mariadb files can be found in /var/lib/docker/volumes/mariadb/_data | 17:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/kolla master: ironic-conductor: update driver dependencies for Queens https://review.openstack.org/526734 | 17:03 |
| inc0 | you should have grastate.dat there | 17:03 |
| kolla-slack | <aslancimbom100> yeah I've tried editing grastate.dat and setting safe_to_bootstrap=1, I guess I then need to initiate bootstrap | 17:03 |
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| kfox1111 | sdake: I mean, if you look at their governence page, it is a project completely seperated from the regular openstack community except for the foundation. | 17:04 |
| kfox1111 | none of the community developed governence stuff applies. | 17:04 |
| clarkb | yes its not part of openstack | 17:04 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 17:04 |
| sdake | clarkb is correct | 17:04 |
| clarkb | (so the openstack tc doesn't apply etc) | 17:05 |
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| inc0 | I wonder if this will be part of opesntack summit and whatnot | 17:05 |
| kfox1111 | still not sure why the foundation is supporting it then. | 17:05 |
| clarkb | kfox1111: I think jbryce did a qa in the tc room last week? there was metnion of it in a mailing list thread, I'd be surprised if that wasn't covered | 17:06 |
| inc0 | it was announced this week | 17:06 |
| kfox1111 | k. I'll go back through the list. I think I missed it. | 17:06 |
| clarkb | er must've been this week then | 17:06 |
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| clarkb | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-tc/%23openstack-tc.2017-12-05.log.html#t2017-12-05T14:11:33 is the link I have from cdents email thread | 17:07 |
| clarkb | inc0: the effort was announced in sydney fwiw | 17:07 |
| inc0 | ahh I'd know if I go :( | 17:07 |
| clarkb | the specific pilot project got announced this week though | 17:08 |
| kfox1111 | clarkb: thanks for the link. | 17:09 |
| kfox1111 | don't get me wrong, I think kata is a good project. glad to see the two forces merge. | 17:09 |
| kfox1111 | I've been trying to get the cncf and openstack closer together and it feels weird to have something that seems to fit cncf in the openstck umbrella, but especially only sort of kind of. | 17:10 |
| kfox1111 | I guess there is one angle though that it might it... | 17:11 |
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| kfox1111 | if cncf's really targetting public clouds, and openstack the ability to do private clouds, | 17:11 |
| inc0 | sdake: if you are still up, might revieweing? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/525470/ | 17:11 |
| kfox1111 | kata kind of fits the private cloud use case closer. | 17:11 |
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| dardelean | k_mouza i built ubuntu images | 17:16 |
| kolla-slack | <aslancimbom100> brilliant, all mariadb seqno-1...good job =. | 17:19 |
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| kfox1111 | arg.. kata containers has its own slack. :( | 17:27 |
| * kfox1111 signs up for yet another org... | 17:27 | |
| jbryce | kfox1111: all mirrored to IRC though if you don't want to add another slack | 17:29 |
| kfox1111 | I use slack for pings though. so I won't see them unless subscribed. :( | 17:30 |
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| jbryce | In terms of why here, the project teams came to us and asked us to help build a real community that was open and multi-vendor and in touch with operators | 17:30 |
| kfox1111 | +1 to that. :) | 17:30 |
| jbryce | For me personally why I think it fits it kata provides a low level container infrastructure component | 17:30 |
| rwellum | dardelean: what's the issue, building or deploying? | 17:31 |
| kfox1111 | but its similar to rkt and containerd which are both cncf. | 17:31 |
| rwellum | inc0: remarkable number of questions lately on kolla build process. I know I complained that the doc wasn't that helpful - I now think its better than the initial read, but I think it needs like a 'scenarios' chapter. | 17:32 |
| jbryce | You've got all the dev oriented container components (images and orchestration tools) and then you have the execution environment that is probably more of an operator deployment decision by the person running the cloud infrastructure itself rather than those consuming it | 17:32 |
| kfox1111 | just having a hard time distinguishing the boundry between cncf and openstack now. | 17:32 |
| inc0 | rwellum: yeah, I'll get to it :) good call | 17:32 |
| kfox1111 | yeah, you could look at it that way. I agree with that. | 17:32 |
| jbryce | It plugs under containerd, but I get your point too | 17:32 |
| inc0 | jbryce: will kata consume openstack infra nodepools? | 17:33 |
| kfox1111 | k8s is rather op focused though too, which is in cncf. | 17:33 |
| jbryce | I also like the fact that it bridges the tech living in both places. I also want to see more connections and collaboration | 17:33 |
| rwellum | inc0: you can't do it all - I feel bad. I can submit a few thoughts | 17:33 |
| kfox1111 | +1 to that too. I'm just worried it will make either camp pull away from each other as they might see it as compititiion. | 17:34 |
| rwellum | jbryce: what is the bridge? I asked this yesterday and got some interesting view points - would like to know. | 17:34 |
| kfox1111 | just gotta get the messaging very clear on why its not compitition. | 17:34 |
| jbryce | Ultimately it's all a continuum, so nearly impossible and I think artificial to draw a single bright line | 17:34 |
| kfox1111 | true. | 17:35 |
| inc0 | once I start and do first few, others will have easier time | 17:35 |
| jbryce | inc0: they are looking at that for testing. Do run some of the pieces for the project through infra now | 17:35 |
| rwellum | inc0: I presented one of those at the summit. | 17:35 |
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| jbryce | rwellum: the bridge for me is that this actually enables more cloud operators (including existing OpenStack users) to take containers into production for more workloads. That will drive more usage of the rest of the cncf toolkit | 17:37 |
| inc0 | jbryce: soo, let say there would be next project that has thematic connection to kata, do you think it makes sense to create TC equivalent to that branch or all projects do their own stuff? | 17:37 |
| inc0 | if the latter, do you try to ensure that things work well together? (it'd be shame if they didn't) | 17:38 |
| jbryce | I've talked to a number of e.g. banks and govs who are hesitant to run containers without VMs still because of audits and regulations they can't pass without that level of isolation. That destroys their ability to go as fast and as efficient on hardware usage as they'd like to be and slows their adoption of the rest of the stack | 17:38 |
| dardelean | <rwellum> so I successfully built the images with kolla-build | 17:39 |
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| inc0 | OpenStack has a TC for that, cncf has it's flagship project k8s and everything else plays to it | 17:40 |
| inc0 | kata doesn't have scope or push of k8s, so if we want to ensure that things works well together, we need something else | 17:40 |
| jbryce | inc0: yes that's the idea | 17:41 |
| dardelean | <rwellum> ubuntu source, i also have that in globals.yml | 17:41 |
| jbryce | I'm driving now so may need to discuss in more detail later, but happy to keep talking about it | 17:41 |
| dardelean | <rwellum> the issues is when I push, kolla-build --registry 192.168.100.51:5000 --push, this does not push the built images | 17:41 |
| inc0 | sure, thanks for dropping by jbryce! | 17:42 |
| rwellum | That was very cool :) | 17:42 |
| rwellum | dardelean: you push then how are you verifying? | 17:42 |
| rwellum | dardelean: it helped me, when I build to add --tag "something unique" - then I could be sure. | 17:43 |
| dardelean | for profile in infra main aux default; do kolla-build --base ubuntu --type source --profile $profile; done | 17:43 |
| dardelean | this is how I built | 17:43 |
| dardelean | about verifiction, I can see that the push command starts to built centos images rwellum | 17:44 |
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| rwellum | dardelean: sudo docker images - you see your new images? | 17:45 |
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| dardelean | i can see the base centos images, i stopped the built process of the push command | 17:45 |
| dardelean | other than that, I see my ubuntu images rwellum | 17:45 |
| rwellum | ok dardelean - sorry - so i am a little confused what the issue is. Have to pop out now for a bit. But inc0 is like 1000x better at this than me - I'm probably not understanding the issue. | 17:47 |
| dardelean | np rwellum, thanks for the good help, as always :D | 17:47 |
| inc0 | dardelean: that's strange... | 17:48 |
| inc0 | --push means that after build it will jsut push | 17:48 |
| dardelean | this is master btw | 17:48 |
| dardelean | i run push in a separate command | 17:49 |
| dardelean | when I run " kolla-build --registry 192.168.100.51:5000 --push", I already have the ubuntu images | 17:49 |
| inc0 | ahh | 17:50 |
| inc0 | well | 17:50 |
| inc0 | as I said | 17:50 |
| inc0 | push will build and push;) | 17:50 |
| inc0 | not try to use existing images | 17:50 |
| dardelean | so this is an atomic operation | 17:50 |
| inc0 | yeah | 17:50 |
| dardelean | i see, from the docs I did not get this | 17:50 |
| dardelean | another thing | 17:50 |
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| inc0 | if you want to push separately do sth like this | 17:51 |
| dardelean | even so, shouldn't the kolla-built command check the image type from globals.yml? | 17:51 |
| inc0 | kolla-build -b ubuntu -t source --registry 192... | 17:51 |
| inc0 | then docker push images | 17:51 |
| inc0 | no, globals.yml is ansible conf | 17:51 |
| dardelean | oh, coz the images are already built it will skip image building | 17:52 |
| dardelean | right? | 17:52 |
| inc0 | but you can prepare kolla_build.conf | 17:52 |
| inc0 | well it will use docker cache | 17:52 |
| inc0 | so technically no, but it will be quite fast:) | 17:52 |
| inc0 | kolla-build always builds. | 17:52 |
| inc0 | --push means it will do more than that | 17:52 |
| inc0 | but it will always build fresh images | 17:53 |
| dardelean | i do a tools/cleanup-images and do a " for profile in infra main aux default; do kolla-build --base ubuntu --type source --profile $profile --registry 192.168.100.51:5000 --push; done" | 17:54 |
| dardelean | sound right with you? | 17:54 |
| inc0 | you can do kolla-build --profile aus --profile main --profile default | 17:55 |
| inc0 | aux | 17:55 |
| dardelean | ah, ok | 17:55 |
| inc0 | then it won't rebuild images present in 2 or more profiles | 17:55 |
| inc0 | other than that looks good | 17:56 |
| dardelean | ok, doing so | 17:57 |
| dardelean | thanks for the help inc0 | 17:59 |
| inc0 | np | 17:59 |
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| yankcrime | inc0 do you know if anyone's working on this already: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/database-backup-recovery | 18:07 |
| yankcrime | (also hi) | 18:07 |
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| inc0 | yankcrime: hey:) not that I know of | 18:14 |
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| yankcrime | inc0 ok, thanks | 18:16 |
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| dardelean | inc0 works now, I can see images on the registry, eg "192.168.100.51:5000/kolla/ubuntu-source-redis-base" | 18:19 |
| dardelean | and not on localhost | 18:19 |
| inc0 | cool, great to hear that | 18:19 |
| inc0 | well | 18:20 |
| inc0 | they will be in registry itself too | 18:20 |
| inc0 | (I hope;)) | 18:20 |
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| dardelean | that is the IP of the registry | 18:24 |
| dardelean | before they appered differently | 18:24 |
| inc0 | --registry did that | 18:25 |
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| rwellum | dardelean: cool good news. Yeah that's why i asked you if this was build or deploy as you mentioned globals.yaml a couple of times. | 18:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla master: [WIP] Publisher pipeline with testing https://review.openstack.org/526469 | 18:41 |
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| rwellum | inc0: my kolla build pain is usually that I point at my local source and then push somewhere and I don't see my local source code. I usually have to add a peice of bad code inside my Service to make sure it's picking it up. I wish the log would show more clearly where the source code is coming from rather than /horzon/blah. | 18:49 |
| inc0 | well, thing is we download code outside of regular docker build | 18:50 |
| inc0 | https://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/master/kolla/image/build.py#L398 | 18:51 |
| inc0 | it's kolla-build that will download tarball not docker build | 18:51 |
| inc0 | you may want to add some logging to it | 18:52 |
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| rwellum | yeah can do inc0 | 18:55 |
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| rwellum | kfox1111: did you see my question to Jonathon on the bridge to openstack he mentioned? | 18:57 |
| kfox1111 | no | 18:58 |
| kfox1111 | what was the question/response? | 18:58 |
| inc0 | I'm sure we'll learn soon:) | 18:59 |
| rwellum | He said: "I also like the fact that it bridges the tech living in both places. I also want to see more connections and collaboration" | 19:00 |
| rwellum | I aasked what that bridge was... | 19:01 |
| rwellum | He said: "rwellum: the bridge for me is that this actually enables more cloud operators (including existing OpenStack users) to take containers into production for more workloads. That will drive more usage of the rest of the cncf toolkit" | 19:01 |
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| sdake | inc0 back- will ook | 19:19 |
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| sdake | jascott1 bro | 19:22 |
| sdake | jascott1 quick question about guitar amps | 19:22 |
| jascott1 | yassir | 19:22 |
| sdake | the sales dude ended up selling us a black*something | 19:22 |
| sdake | blackstar I think | 19:22 |
| sdake | it looked good and sounded good when he played it | 19:23 |
| sdake | 5watt tube | 19:23 |
| jascott1 | ive never used them but seem good | 19:23 |
| sdake | good to hear | 19:23 |
| sdake | they have a knob that makes em US or UK sounding | 19:23 |
| jascott1 | "UK 60s Boutique" | 19:23 |
| jascott1 | just guessing, thats a popular sound | 19:24 |
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| jascott1 | shouldnt I see output from `ip netns` on kolla compute nodes? | 19:32 |
| SamYaple | jascott1: nope | 19:35 |
| SamYaple | jascott1: unless *maybe* with dvr | 19:35 |
| SamYaple | not possitive | 19:35 |
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| mwynne | SamYaple: If I'm doing a single controller, multiple compute node deployment, is that considered to be "Multiple node deployment"? Or is that only when you're deploying service containers to multiple nodes? | 19:38 |
| SamYaple | its not highly-available, but it would be multinode | 19:40 |
| SamYaple | highly-available is thegood thing though | 19:40 |
| jascott1 | SamYaple thanks! | 19:40 |
| mwynne | SamYaple: I'm just looking to get my feet wet with kolla right now so I'm planning on following the quick start guide to get something basic going, and get an understanding of how it all works. | 19:40 |
| mwynne | I'm assuming the quick start guide is the best for that? | 19:41 |
| jascott1 | hey SamYaple any pointers for resolving this "[Error: Binding failed for port 20143fd1-87c5-45aa-b676-a28b6df468a4, please check neutron logs for more information.]." | 19:51 |
| jascott1 | Im looking thru logs but not seeing anything so far | 19:52 |
| mwynne | jascott1: Probably missing/mismatching tunnel_types if you're using ovs | 19:53 |
| jascott1 | mwynne thank you for the hint! | 19:56 |
| SamYaple | jascott1: yea just general "go look through the logs" error there. there is a stacktrace somewhere | 19:58 |
| mwynne | I don't think there's a stacktrace for that one. If I remember correctly it's a pretty well hidden debug message :( | 20:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla master: Fix deployment of ceph https://review.openstack.org/525470 | 20:17 |
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| mwynne | jascott1: was that it? | 20:41 |
| jascott1 | mwynne not sure yet :) | 20:42 |
| rwellum | SamYaple: I guess it's not true HA unless you have bonded interfaces either? | 20:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Gaëtan Trellu proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Nova upgrade fail because of missing condition https://review.openstack.org/526771 | 20:47 |
| SamYaple | rwellum: nah. because HA is about multiple services running, bonded interfaces is about keeping a single service online | 20:47 |
| rwellum | Hmm interesting. | 20:47 |
| rwellum | sdake: 'a knob to make them us or uk sounding'.... | 20:48 |
| inc0 | it automatically translates "pants" in lyrics to "trousers" | 20:49 |
| rwellum | And cigarette to fag, check-mark to tick-mark... lol inc0 | 20:50 |
| rwellum | You hit the UK knob and the weather turns to sh&t and everyone starts pouring salad dressing on their food. | 20:51 |
| inc0 | lol | 20:52 |
| inc0 | and better don't install this knob in your car. At least not on roads where lanes go both directions | 20:53 |
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| rwellum | lol yeah | 20:56 |
| rwellum | First 'roundabout' I hit in the States I went the wrong way around. | 20:56 |
| inc0 | you're Brit Rich? | 20:58 |
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| rwellum | Yeah | 21:01 |
| rwellum | Glaswegian technically. | 21:01 |
| kfox1111 | SamYaple: technically no. ha is availablity of the service. not nessiarily scaling. | 21:01 |
| kfox1111 | though usually the best way to achieve ha is scaling. | 21:02 |
| inc0 | cool, I need to visit Scotland at some point:) | 21:02 |
| kfox1111 | quick failover to the point where it isn't noticed is another way to solve it. | 21:02 |
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| kfox1111 | vrrp takes that route to ha for example. | 21:03 |
| SamYaple | kfox1111: yea sure. were really getting into the technical defintion | 21:03 |
| SamYaple | but if youve only got one copy of the service... its not ha in my opinion | 21:03 |
| kfox1111 | yup. scaling an ha are seperate but sometimes related things. | 21:03 |
| SamYaple | though it could be argued as such i suppose | 21:03 |
| SamYaple | :+1: | 21:03 |
| mwynne | I'm getting a weird error during prechecks: hostvars[inventory_hostname]['ansible_' + api_interface]['ipv4']['address'] }}: 'dict object' has no attribute u'ansible_ens3' | 21:03 |
| mwynne | globals.yaml contains -> api_interface: "ens3" | 21:04 |
| mwynne | wtf? haha | 21:04 |
| kfox1111 | semantics on that one I guess. one active copy with a backup copy is just one copy? | 21:04 |
| inc0 | do you have interface ens3? | 21:04 |
| inc0 | on all nodes? | 21:04 |
| SamYaple | kfox1111: thats still two copies though | 21:04 |
| kfox1111 | ok. under that definition we're in full agreement. :) | 21:04 |
| inc0 | and ens3 on all nodes has IPv4? | 21:04 |
| mwynne | inc0: 99% sure I do, but I'll double check :) | 21:04 |
| mwynne | inc0: Yeah, they all have an ens3 interface with ipv4 addresses | 21:05 |
| SamYaple | kfox1111: as always :) we tend to be on the same page at the core | 21:06 |
| kfox1111 | yup. :) | 21:06 |
| rwellum | inc0: you should it's amazing. | 21:06 |
| kfox1111 | language/definitions/communication often is more difficult then logic. :) | 21:07 |
| rwellum | I set up Openstack deployment last year and they insisted it wasn't HA until I bonded everything. Pain in the rear as apparently RH heat templates think there's only one sequence that interfaces are instantiated. | 21:08 |
| mwynne | inc0: Any other ideas? It's failing during the check for an open memcached port on my controller, which definitely has an addressed ens3 interface. | 21:09 |
| kfox1111 | heh. thats one way to get ha. | 21:09 |
| kfox1111 | but there are others. | 21:09 |
| inc0 | mwynne: yeah that's strange, try running ansible -m setup -i your-inventory control | 21:10 |
| inc0 | and see if ansible_ens3 is there | 21:10 |
| kfox1111 | ah network attachment, but not ha switches is lesser of ha then replicated nodes and no multi attach with 3 top switches. | 21:10 |
| kfox1111 | ha is like security. there is aways more you can do at a greater expense. :) | 21:10 |
| mwynne | inc0: http://paste.openstack.org/show/628480/ | 21:11 |
| mwynne | :S | 21:11 |
| inc0 | and ansible_ens3? | 21:12 |
| kfox1111 | dual nic connections to a switch is rarely the best solution IMO though. | 21:12 |
| mwynne | http://paste.openstack.org/show/628481/ | 21:12 |
| mwynne | inc0: ^ | 21:12 |
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| inc0 | uhh...beats me:/ | 21:13 |
| inc0 | dunno mwynne | 21:13 |
| mwynne | haha of course | 21:13 |
| inc0 | https://github.com/openstack/kolla-ansible/blob/master/ansible/site.yml#L7 :( | 21:15 |
| inc0 | this shoudl work... | 21:15 |
| mwynne | inc0: http://paste.openstack.org/show/628482/ | 21:16 |
| mwynne | Full error there | 21:16 |
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| mwynne | I don't think there's an undefined variable in there... | 21:17 |
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| mwynne | SamYaple: Any ideas here? | 21:18 |
| mwynne | I just pip installed kolla-ansible. Do I need to specify a version? Did I somehow get a buggy version or something? | 21:19 |
| inc0 | unlikely | 21:19 |
| inc0 | well | 21:19 |
| inc0 | what version of ansible you have? | 21:19 |
| mwynne | inc0: https://pastebin.com/pfzFkUeE | 21:21 |
| inc0 | hmm that's a stretch, but try to install ansible 2.3 | 21:22 |
| inc0 | it's better tested | 21:22 |
| inc0 | that being said, there is no reason why 2.4+ shouldn't work...I mean I really don't know | 21:22 |
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| inc0 | basically this error happens if your node woudln't have ens3 or fatch gathering didn't catch ens3 for whatever reason | 21:22 |
| mwynne | pip uninstall ansible | 21:23 |
| mwynne | whoops :) | 21:23 |
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| mwynne | inc0: that seems to have fixed it. | 21:26 |
| inc0 | hmm good to know | 21:26 |
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| mwynne | inc0: Is there a recommended tag version to use? | 21:30 |
| mwynne | I'm using 4.0.0 right now | 21:30 |
| mwynne | How can I map those to specific versions of OS? | 21:30 |
| inc0 | well 4.0 is ocata | 21:33 |
| inc0 | 5.0 is pike | 21:33 |
| inc0 | that's how it works | 21:33 |
| mwynne | ah ok | 21:33 |
| inc0 | if you install kolla 4.0 it will install ocata and tag it with 4.0 | 21:34 |
| inc0 | I highly recommend to use kolla-ansible and kolla versions in sync | 21:34 |
| inc0 | as they're tested together and there are gimmicks that might differ version to version | 21:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla master: [WIP] Publisher pipeline with testing https://review.openstack.org/526469 | 21:39 |
| mwynne | inc0: so I should be doing pip install kolla==4.0 and pip install ansible==2.3 and using a tag of 4.0? | 21:42 |
| rwellum | inc0: master worked for me btw - with kolla-k8s (from dockerhub). Pike still not there correct? | 21:42 |
| rwellum | mwynne: I think you should checkout the version of kolla that matches your image version, then do: "pip install -r requirements.txt" | 21:43 |
| rwellum | mwynne: been the most stable way to go for me | 21:44 |
| mwynne | rwellum: Ah, good to know. | 21:45 |
| inc0 | rwellum: right, zuul hickup this night prevented it from merging:( | 21:46 |
| inc0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/526421/1 trying again | 21:47 |
| inc0 | but I'm glad master works, we'll be able to add kolla-k8s testing of images before publishing | 21:47 |
| inc0 | I'm working on testing pipeline for publishing and it seems to be going well | 21:48 |
| rwellum | inc0: it's a conspiracy to keep me away from official pike images so my user story never completes... | 21:55 |
| inc0 | lmao | 21:55 |
| inc0 | whole world is in it | 21:55 |
| rwellum | It is... | 21:55 |
| inc0 | you've discovered us, now I have to send hitman squad...sorry man nothing personal | 21:56 |
| rwellum | Urgh - not again... | 21:56 |
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| mwynne | inc0: How can I kill all containers/images etc to start from scratch? | 22:09 |
| mwynne | I need to change versions etc and want to blow away the stuff I have right now | 22:09 |
| mwynne | kolla-ansible destroy didn't wipe it all? | 22:10 |
| inc0 | kolla-ansible destroy | 22:10 |
| inc0 | it should | 22:10 |
| mwynne | inc0: Ignore me. helps if you give it a manifest file :) | 22:10 |
| inc0 | manifest? you mean inventory? yeah it's definetly helpful | 22:11 |
| mwynne | inventory, yeah. | 22:12 |
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| rwellum | inc0: if i want to add two section to cinder.conf - and one over-ride (different enabled_backend) - how is the best way to do this? This is in k8s, but it's pure ansible. | 22:22 |
| rwellum | Right now I am hacking the cinder.conf.j2 - but that's obviously not the way to go | 22:23 |
| mwynne | inc0 or SamYaple: Either of you know what may be causing this: "FAILED - RETRYING: Waiting for nova-compute service up (XX retries left)." | 22:30 |
| inc0 | mwynne: check nova-compute lgos | 22:30 |
| mwynne | inc0: My nova_compute container doesn't have a compute log.. | 22:34 |
| inc0 | how so? | 22:36 |
| mwynne | inc0: Oh, it's just not in /var/log/nova/, it's in /var/log/kolla/nova | 22:36 |
| inc0 | yup | 22:36 |
| inc0 | or /var/lib/docker/volumes/kolla_logs/_data | 22:37 |
| inc0 | if you want to access it from host | 22:37 |
| mwynne | It can't contact my rabbitmq, because the container apparently isn't up, or it's continuously rebooting: Error response from daemon: Container 635eb4da2563edb593a554752817c22c5ed54900e06dda97d715b19082ad966e is restarting, wait until the container is running | 22:38 |
| inc0 | sooo one of common issues with rabbitmq is that it will require hostnames | 22:38 |
| inc0 | so all control nodes needs to be able to resolve all each other | 22:38 |
| mwynne | they can | 22:38 |
| inc0 | and IP it resolves to needs to be api_iinterface | 22:39 |
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| mwynne | inc0: I think the issue is: 635eb4da2563edb593a554752817c22c5ed54900e06dda97d715b19082ad966e is restarting, wait until the container is running | 22:42 |
| mwynne | I can't connect to the container | 22:42 |
| mwynne | so obviously nothing else will be able to contact services running inside it | 22:42 |
| inc0 | question is why it's restartng | 22:43 |
| inc0 | restarting means something is wrong with it | 22:43 |
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| mwynne | yup | 22:43 |
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| mwynne | inc0: overlayfs: upperdir is in-use by another mount, accessing files from both mounts will result in undefined behavior. | 22:54 |
| mwynne | I managed to get that from dmesg before the container restarts again | 22:54 |
| mwynne | I have MountFlags=shared in my service file. I assumed that was maybe the issue. | 22:54 |
| inc0 | well, MountFlags=shared is required by neutron | 22:57 |
| mwynne | Sorry, I meant that not having that might have been the issue, but I do have it. | 22:59 |
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| mwynne | inc0: I think there's a kernel/docker issue with my versions | 23:11 |
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| inc0 | lol you're not very lucky today;) fyi best tested versions of docker are 1.12 and 1.13 | 23:12 |
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| mwynne | inc0: how do those docker versions connect to: Docker version 17.11.0-ce, build 1caf76c | 23:12 |
| inc0 | docker has a track record of breaking stuff so I'd try sticking to these | 23:12 |
| inc0 | older | 23:12 |
| mwynne | how do you know? haha | 23:12 |
| inc0 | right after 1.13 docker changed model of versioning to 17.04 and so on | 23:13 |
| inc0 | don't ask me why | 23:13 |
| mwynne | oh ok | 23:13 |
| inc0 | 1.13 was last semver one | 23:13 |
| mwynne | Come on docker! | 23:13 |
| mwynne | haha | 23:13 |
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| mwynne | inc0: what's the best way to get an older version of docker? | 23:23 |
| mwynne | I downgraded my kernel, but that didn't help.. | 23:24 |
| inc0 | if you use apt or yum, I think 1.13 is newest non-docker repos carry | 23:24 |
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| inc0 | you can also use our bootstrap-servers playbook | 23:24 |
| inc0 | kolla-ansible bootstrap-servers | 23:24 |
| inc0 | it will install all the things in correct versions | 23:25 |
| inc0 | I'm off for now, going for early dinner, I'll be back later | 23:25 |
| inc0 | good luck mwynne :) | 23:25 |
| mwynne | Thanks | 23:27 |
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| kfox1111 | yeah. distro's are at 1.12 or 1.13. | 23:45 |
| kfox1111 | just avoid docker inc's repos. | 23:45 |
| mwynne | kfox1111: the 4.0.0 rabbit container is teh only one giving me problems | 23:46 |
| mwynne | the rest all come up fine | 23:46 |
| mwynne | rabbit's rebooting constantly | 23:47 |
| kfox1111 | anything in the logs? | 23:47 |
| mwynne | which logs? | 23:47 |
| kfox1111 | kubectl logs .... | 23:48 |
| mwynne | i'm not using kubernetes... | 23:48 |
| kfox1111 | oh. nm then. | 23:48 |
| kfox1111 | can't help too much then. | 23:48 |
| kfox1111 | docker logs? | 23:49 |
| mwynne | where are those? | 23:49 |
| mwynne | nothing in /var/log/ | 23:49 |
| kfox1111 | on the host, docker logs xxxx | 23:49 |
| mwynne | kfox1111: http://paste.openstack.org/show/628487/ | 23:52 |
| mwynne | over and over again | 23:52 |
| kfox1111 | inc0: does kolla-ansible use a hostpath or a volume for its logs? | 23:53 |
| kfox1111 | docker exec -it xxxxx cat /var/log/kolla/*/* maybe? | 23:53 |
| kfox1111 | doh.... lets encrypt has been saying january for wildcard certs for a while... now they are saying: | 23:55 |
| kfox1111 | "We are planning to have a public test API endpoint up by January 4, and we’ve set a date for the full launch: Tuesday, February 27." | 23:55 |
| kfox1111 | :_( | 23:56 |
| mwynne | kfox1111: telling me no such file or dir | 23:58 |
| mwynne | it doesn't like the wildcards I think | 23:58 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. then I guess we'll have to wait for someone to answer the where question. | 23:58 |
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