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| osmanlicilegi | morning | 05:54 |
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| osmanlicilegi | cores, I need your thoughts about https://review.opendev.org/#/c/685233/ | 06:17 |
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| mnasiadka | bline: tried on #openstack-containers? | 07:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Jan Vondra proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Added RABBITMQ_SERVER_ADDITIONAL_ERL_ARGS option to rabbitmq-env.conf https://review.opendev.org/686369 | 07:09 |
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| mgoddard | morning | 08:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | pengyuesheng proposed openstack/kayobe master: Blacklist sphinx 2.1.0 (autodoc bug) https://review.opendev.org/687481 | 08:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Isaac Prior proposed openstack/kayobe master: Add ansible tag headers to Host Configuration doc page https://review.opendev.org/687240 | 08:33 |
| yoctozepto | morning | 08:36 |
| hrw | funny thing: ansible-lint is used to check playbooks for errors, right? but is not pep8 friendly | 08:38 |
| yoctozepto | hrw: how so? | 08:42 |
| yoctozepto | you mean it's impossible to satisfy both or what? | 08:42 |
| yoctozepto | :D | 08:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kayobe master: Blacklist sphinx 2.1.0 (autodoc bug) https://review.opendev.org/687481 | 08:43 |
| mnasiadka | hrw: and Ansible-lint -p does what? :) | 08:45 |
| hrw | yoctozepto: I played with ansible-lint on kolla-ansible today. if failed on some files so I loaded ansible-lint code. and gvim gave me ~40 lines of pep8 errors | 08:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Pierre Riteau proposed openstack/kayobe master: Remove sphinx from test-requirements.txt https://review.opendev.org/687499 | 08:55 |
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| yoctozepto | hrw: heh xD | 09:12 |
| yoctozepto | mnasiadka: -p parseable output in the format of pep8 | 09:13 |
| yoctozepto | and the plot thickens | 09:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michal Nasiadka proposed openstack/kolla master: Support matrix for Kolla https://review.opendev.org/677500 | 09:17 |
| mnasiadka | mgoddard, hrw, yoctozepto: ^^ please just check it out, I think we have all the data populated. | 09:21 |
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| yoctozepto | mnasiadka: commented a lot | 09:49 |
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| mnasiadka | yoctozepto: I would be glad if you would hit edit, and change what you think is needed, if you all start commenting what needs to be changed - I'll be your scribe, which is the last I want to be in life :) just leave comments of stuff that is debatable :) | 09:52 |
| yoctozepto | mnasiadka: be a good scribe | 09:53 |
| yoctozepto | kolla scribe | 09:54 |
| mnasiadka | yoctozepto: I studied IT to sit in a dungeon, like a troll - not talk to people :D | 09:55 |
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| yoctozepto | xD | 09:57 |
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| mgoddard | added 'Which images should we mark as maintained in the support matrix?' to meeting agenda | 10:12 |
| mgoddard | pretty packed schedule today, I'll try to be quick with formalities | 10:13 |
| yoctozepto | mgoddard: fyi https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2006689 | 10:14 |
| yoctozepto | maybe there is some undocumented switch, I did not look at the source code | 10:15 |
| mgoddard | yoctozepto: haven't tried it, but I'm not aware of any work done on it | 10:16 |
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| hrw | mnasiadka: you did wrong. IT studies are not required to be in IT | 10:48 |
| mnasiadka | hrw: that's why I stopped at an engineer level ;) | 10:48 |
| hrw | ;D | 10:48 |
| mnasiadka | ok, turning into a scribe... | 10:49 |
| hrw | I went directly to master. but not quite IT | 10:50 |
| mnasiadka | hrw: what's the latest on Debian/x86 CI in k-a - should I mark the matrix as it's there, or not? :) | 10:50 |
| hrw | mnasiadka: we have debian/source in k-a | 10:50 |
| mnasiadka | ok, so I'll add T's where it should be. | 10:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Michal Nasiadka proposed openstack/kolla master: Support matrix for Kolla https://review.opendev.org/677500 | 10:53 |
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| yoctozepto | mgoddard: qq - regarding Ussuri proposals - one should just go draft some blueprint for later discussion? | 12:11 |
| mgoddard | yoctozepto: yeah | 12:12 |
| yoctozepto | mgoddard: re: bifrost - checked source, no ipv6 support for sure | 12:12 |
| mgoddard | yoctozepto: and put it on the ussuri ptg etherpad | 12:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michal Nasiadka proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Change ceph_client caps to use profile rbd https://review.opendev.org/687544 | 12:18 |
| mgoddard | Ubuntu binary stein is still running the GA release of nova | 12:18 |
| mgoddard | which seems to break cells | 12:18 |
| yoctozepto | mgoddard: how much of break? | 12:19 |
| mnasiadka | UCA never updated the nova version? | 12:19 |
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| yoctozepto | hrw: got any contact to UCA? | 12:19 |
| hrw | yoctozepto: never cared about getting any | 12:19 |
| yoctozepto | :D | 12:19 |
| mnasiadka | yoctozepto: usually they respond properly to bugs raised to their projects | 12:19 |
| mgoddard | yoctozepto: compute services don't register | 12:19 |
| mgoddard | I think it's because nova-api no longer has access to the cell | 12:20 |
| hrw | yoctozepto: after 3 years at canonical I do not plan to have connections there | 12:20 |
| mnasiadka | yoctozepto: and Corey Bryant usually responds to mails on openstack-discuss or directly to him :) | 12:20 |
| mgoddard | yeah, that's the problem | 12:20 |
| yoctozepto | drop binary support | 12:24 |
| yoctozepto | ;D | 12:24 |
| mnasiadka | mgoddard: what's the version in stein? 19.0.0? | 12:24 |
| mgoddard | mnasiadka: yep | 12:24 |
| mgoddard | and in train :D | 12:25 |
| mnasiadka | mgoddard: 19.0.1 is in stein-proposed | 12:25 |
| mnasiadka | but still that's not magic | 12:25 |
| mgoddard | what does proposed mean? | 12:26 |
| hrw | 20.0.0~b1 is in uca. rc1 will be soon (there are source files) | 12:26 |
| mgoddard | ready to use or not? | 12:26 |
| hrw | mgoddard: 'we built, have to test, will promote if succeed' | 12:26 |
| mgoddard | ok | 12:26 |
| mgoddard | they're a little behind - upstream has 19.0.3 :) | 12:26 |
| hrw | nova-volume_19.0.1-0ubuntu2.1~cloud0_all.deb | 12:27 |
| hrw | yeah | 12:27 |
| mnasiadka | mgoddard: go complain on #ubuntu-server to coreycb :) | 12:27 |
| hrw | but also updated 17.0 to 17.0.11, 13.x got update... | 12:27 |
| mgoddard | mnasiadka: maybe I will | 12:29 |
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| mnasiadka | mgoddard: well, we should - I guess it would be good to get some proper coordination with them :) | 12:33 |
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| mgoddard | to follow up on ubuntu, stein has 19.0.1, train has 19.0.0. We should use train-proposed if we want something newer | 13:14 |
| mgoddard | not sure whether building images with proposed is a good idea, in case we have to go backwards | 13:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Support multiple nova cells https://review.opendev.org/675659 | 13:57 |
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| ai_ja_nai | hello | 14:30 |
| ai_ja_nai | can anybody please provide a clarification about VLAN tagging? I can't understand a detail in the instructions with SRIOV | 14:33 |
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| ai_ja_nai | when the guide says "Modify the /etc/kolla/config/neutron/ml2_conf.ini file and add sriovnicswitch to the mechanism_drivers" and "Modify the /etc/kolla/config/nova.conf file and add PciPassthroughFilter to scheduler_default_filters.", does it imply the files on the compute nodes? | 14:35 |
| ai_ja_nai | it's not referring to files I shall create on my deployment workstation, right? | 14:35 |
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| mgoddard | meeting in 10 minutes | 14:52 |
| mgoddard | mgoddard mnasiadka hrw egonzalez yoctozepto rafaelweingartne ^ | 14:52 |
| yoctozepto | ai_ja_nai: it's referring to the override files on your deployment node that are deployed to cloud nodes by kolla-ansible | 14:54 |
| yoctozepto | (well, merged and deployed) | 14:54 |
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| yoctozepto | see https://docs.openstack.org/kolla-ansible/latest/admin/deployment-philosophy.html for background | 14:55 |
| hrw | mgoddard: thx | 14:58 |
| yoctozepto | meeting time | 15:01 |
| mgoddard | #startmeeting kolla | 15:01 |
| yoctozepto | let's roll, it's lots to discuss today | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 9 15:01:25 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mgoddard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| mgoddard | #topic rollcall | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 15:01 |
| hrw | o/ | 15:01 |
| mgoddard | \o | 15:01 |
| yoctozepto | o/ | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:01 | |
| Wasaac | o/ | 15:01 |
| JamesBenson | o/ | 15:01 |
| yoctozepto | mnasiadka | 15:01 |
| yoctozepto | generalfuzz | 15:01 |
| jovial[m] | 0/ | 15:02 |
| mgoddard | jovial[m] has calendar? | 15:02 |
| generalfuzz | o/ | 15:02 |
| mgoddard | #topic agenda | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:02 | |
| jovial[m] | yep, only 2 minutes late today :) | 15:02 |
| mgoddard | * Roll-call | 15:02 |
| mgoddard | * Announcements | 15:02 |
| mgoddard | ** Kolla in feature freeze | 15:02 |
| mgoddard | * Review action items from last meeting | 15:02 |
| mgoddard | * CI status | 15:02 |
| mgoddard | * Train release planning | 15:02 |
| mgoddard | * Review priorities | 15:02 |
| mgoddard | * (hrw) Adding priorities to images at build time (I want 'openstack-base' to be built asap) | 15:02 |
| mgoddard | * Reducing load of build & publishing jobs on CI & Dockerhub https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-train-image-evaluation | 15:03 |
| mgoddard | * (yoctozepto) policy regarding development in deployed projects, e.g. ironic has now split ironic-inspector into two services and uses tooz coordination - should we support this new mode of deployment? (I think we should, for that we are trailing cycles) | 15:03 |
| mgoddard | * Which images should we mark as maintained in the support matrix? | 15:03 |
| mgoddard | #topic announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:03 | |
| mgoddard | #info Kolla in feature freeze | 15:03 |
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| mgoddard | #info OpenStack Train final releases next week | 15:03 |
| mgoddard | Any others? | 15:03 |
| yoctozepto | ipv6 passed all current CI scenarios | 15:03 |
| yoctozepto | (ubuntu ones) | 15:04 |
| yoctozepto | (shameless plug I know) | 15:04 |
| mgoddard | nice work | 15:04 |
| mgoddard | #topic Review action items from last meeting | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:04 | |
| mgoddard | yoctozepto to ask about glance-store config for tacker on openstack-discuss | 15:05 |
| mgoddard | mgoddard to email cores about feature freeze | 15:05 |
| mgoddard | I did mine | 15:05 |
| mgoddard | yoctozepto? | 15:05 |
| yoctozepto | I did not because egonzalez made me think he had this under control that same day :-) | 15:05 |
| yoctozepto | not so sure about this now | 15:05 |
| yoctozepto | will do right away after meeting, I wonder why they are releasing it in this state | 15:06 |
| mgoddard | I think we found that only filestore is supported | 15:06 |
| yoctozepto | but it's filestore inside tacker | 15:06 |
| mgoddard | right | 15:06 |
| yoctozepto | so it's tackerstore | 15:06 |
| yoctozepto | your new glance backend | 15:06 |
| mgoddard | I think glance-store is just a python API for storing images without hitting glance API | 15:07 |
| yoctozepto | yeah, they are using this little thing directly to do filestore | 15:07 |
| yoctozepto | on the local node | 15:07 |
| yoctozepto | looks pretty b0rken if you ask me, but let's not slow down the meeting | 15:08 |
| mgoddard | ok, let's not get side tracked | 15:08 |
| mgoddard | #action yoctozepto to investigate tacker + glance store | 15:08 |
| mgoddard | #topic CI status | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI status (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:08 | |
| ai_ja_nai | mgoddard many thanks | 15:08 |
| mgoddard | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/KollaWhiteBoard | 15:09 |
| mgoddard | I think CI is looking ok mostly | 15:09 |
| yoctozepto | yeah, no current breakages | 15:09 |
| mgoddard | There are a few unreliable tests, which we should look at as we get closer to release | 15:10 |
| mgoddard | Kayobe CI I thought I had fixed, but does seem to fail sometimes still | 15:10 |
| yoctozepto | ;-( | 15:10 |
| mgoddard | it's not too bad at the moment, something to look at another day | 15:11 |
| mgoddard | #topic Train release planning | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Train release planning (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:11 | |
| mgoddard | The train is approaching | 15:11 |
| yoctozepto | I like trains | 15:11 |
| mgoddard | we're currently in feature freeze - please don't approve feature patches unless they have been granted a feature freeze extension | 15:11 |
| yoctozepto | all you had to was to catch the * train, CJ | 15:12 |
| mgoddard | currently this includes IPv6 and nova cells | 15:12 |
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| mgoddard | (as they are priorities) | 15:12 |
| yoctozepto | mgoddard: tls frozen? | 15:12 |
| mgoddard | yoctozepto: TLS merged | 15:12 |
| yoctozepto | mgoddard: what about unmerged ones? :D | 15:13 |
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| mgoddard | there is the insecure patch for CI testing | 15:13 |
| mgoddard | and vmixor's CA patch which is quite new | 15:13 |
| generalfuzz | I've started putting attention on to vmixor's patches | 15:14 |
| yoctozepto | both need some work I think, but generalfuzz is putting working in it | 15:14 |
| mgoddard | would consider an FFE request if one was made | 15:14 |
| mgoddard | deadline for getting these things merged is next friday | 15:15 |
| generalfuzz | I was under the the impression that we were abandoning the insecure ones | 15:15 |
| yoctozepto | generalfuzz: yeah, I would prefer the vmixor's kinda approach | 15:15 |
| yoctozepto | I think TLS is really close with those internal trusts | 15:15 |
| mgoddard | I hadn't heard a decision on it, but it does seem like it might be the sensible option | 15:16 |
| yoctozepto | just cannot help guys due to ipv6 on me | 15:16 |
| yoctozepto | (and work, and life, and phd) | 15:16 |
| generalfuzz | We'll see if it's done by next Friday. If not, It'll go into the next release | 15:17 |
| mgoddard | ultimately we have internal TLS support in train already | 15:17 |
| yoctozepto | (glad I did not forget life) | 15:17 |
| mgoddard | you just need to build your own images if you have a private CA | 15:17 |
| yoctozepto | which is very likely for internal though ;p | 15:17 |
| mgoddard | custom CA is a nice to have IMO (we weren't even planning to do it until quite recently) | 15:17 |
| yoctozepto | I think k-a should handle this stuff | 15:18 |
| mgoddard | I'm not disagreeing, just saying it can be made to work without | 15:18 |
| yoctozepto | so maybe let's split this onto Ussuri if we cannot handle it | 15:18 |
| yoctozepto | indeed it's doable | 15:18 |
| mnasiadka | yes, it's the time of the release planning to chop off stuff we can't do :) | 15:18 |
| mgoddard | I imagine generalfuzz will be working on it now regardless of which release it goes into, right? | 15:19 |
| yoctozepto | we should market it as moving internal tls from pita to pitb | 15:19 |
| mnasiadka | mgoddard: as long as it's not breaking anything - we can back port it later | 15:20 |
| mgoddard | mnasiadka: well not really according to stable policy | 15:21 |
| yoctozepto | too much of a feature probably | 15:21 |
| mnasiadka | mgoddard: I don't think kolla was always following stable-policy in 100% :) | 15:21 |
| mgoddard | let's see how the code develops. If it turns out to be ready to go before next week it could be given an FFE | 15:21 |
| mnasiadka | yup | 15:22 |
| mgoddard | I'll start working through the release process soon | 15:22 |
| mgoddard | #link https://docs.openstack.org/kolla/latest/contributor/release-management.html | 15:22 |
| mgoddard | if anyone wants to follow along let me know and I can keep you in the loop of what's happening | 15:23 |
| mgoddard | #topic Review priorities | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review priorities (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:23 | |
| mnasiadka | if you need any help - just shout, maybe we should have an ether pad for that :) | 15:23 |
| mgoddard | thanks | 15:23 |
| yoctozepto | mgoddard: count me in | 15:23 |
| mgoddard | I think we know our main priorities - cells and IPV6 | 15:24 |
| mgoddard | I have one issue to fix before cells is ready to merge, but it's ready for reviews | 15:24 |
| yoctozepto | yay | 15:24 |
| yoctozepto | and that one is ubuntu binary? | 15:24 |
| mgoddard | how is IPv6 looking? | 15:25 |
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| yoctozepto | mgoddard: as mentioned, all scenarios are passing, needs applying left comments and creating unit tests | 15:25 |
| mgoddard | no, binary fixed/fudged by letting nova-api see the cell DB | 15:25 |
| yoctozepto | ah | 15:25 |
| mgoddard | issue is ordering of DB sync in the API and cells - need to DB sync cells before starting global services | 15:26 |
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| yoctozepto | I see | 15:26 |
| mgoddard | is IPv6 ready for reviews? | 15:26 |
| yoctozepto | mgoddard: yes, you can do second pass, but I did not apply all the comments before so it's going to get -1 from you anyway :-) | 15:27 |
| mgoddard | all: if you have bug fix patches open against master that you think shold make the release, please mark RP+1 | 15:27 |
| mnasiadka | mgoddard: btw, in governance repo we are missing stable:follows-policy :-) | 15:28 |
| mgoddard | are you saying we should add it? | 15:28 |
| mgoddard | might come with some baggage | 15:29 |
| mgoddard | do other deployment tools have it? | 15:29 |
| mgoddard | something for open discussion, if we make it | 15:29 |
| mgoddard | #topic (hrw) Adding priorities to images at build time (I want 'openstack-base' to be built asap) | 15:29 |
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| mgoddard | hrw: you're up | 15:29 |
| mnasiadka | mgoddard: nope, neither tripleo, nor OSA | 15:30 |
| hrw | https://review.opendev.org/686587 implements that | 15:30 |
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| mnasiadka | mgoddard: just saying that following stable policy is not something we sworn - it makes sense to follow it though :) | 15:30 |
| hrw | my tests with 46 threads (in tmpfs) did not show any improvements | 15:30 |
| yoctozepto | mnasiadka, mnasiadka: we can be flexible | 15:30 |
| mgoddard | hrw: how many times did you test? I guess it was random | 15:31 |
| hrw | planning to do some 8 threads runs to check does it make a difference | 15:31 |
| hrw | mgoddard: several. centos/debian binary/source | 15:31 |
| hrw | with build times in ~1 minute difference (of 35) | 15:32 |
| mgoddard | fewer threads sounds sensible | 15:32 |
| hrw | will do some runs on slower hw too | 15:32 |
| hrw | have old 8core system | 15:32 |
| mgoddard | ok anything more to discuss here? It was an old topic, before the patch | 15:33 |
| yoctozepto | I think it probably builds reasonably well to not affect queue saturation | 15:33 |
| yoctozepto | let's move on | 15:34 |
| yoctozepto | hrw: ok? | 15:34 |
| hrw | go | 15:34 |
| mgoddard | #topic Reducing load of build & publishing jobs on CI & Dockerhub https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-train-image-evaluation | 15:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reducing load of build & publishing jobs on CI & Dockerhub https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-train-image-evaluation (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:34 | |
| mgoddard | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-train-image-evaluation | 15:34 |
| hrw | the old topic... | 15:34 |
| mgoddard | this one again | 15:34 |
| mgoddard | kolla images are large | 15:35 |
| mgoddard | we have many of them, and many variations | 15:35 |
| hrw | and docker squash support is a joke | 15:35 |
| yoctozepto | xD | 15:35 |
| mgoddard | hrw: expand? | 15:35 |
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| mnasiadka | so, what is the biggest strain on CI? images size or time to push them to docker hub? | 15:35 |
| mgoddard | (desquash?) | 15:35 |
| mgoddard | mnasiadka: bandwidth I think | 15:36 |
| hrw | mgoddard: either use docker-squash python and eat lot of i/o or enable experimental squash support in docker itself and look how it explodes | 15:36 |
| mgoddard | hrw: ok | 15:36 |
| mnasiadka | mgoddard: well, if only we could have some docker hub proxy in each of the node pool providers - we could push fast and then it can run in the background | 15:36 |
| mnasiadka | I don't think there's any solution for that, we won't reduce size by 50% | 15:37 |
| mgoddard | it's probably more the total bytes sent that is the problem | 15:37 |
| mgoddard | IMO our best bet is to just trim down the number of images that we push | 15:37 |
| mgoddard | there are a few ways to do that | 15:38 |
| mnasiadka | or don't push every day :-) | 15:38 |
| mgoddard | EOL pike is an easy one | 15:38 |
| hrw | @weekly would be sane imho | 15:38 |
| mgoddard | well that's fine until something breaks | 15:38 |
| mnasiadka | hrw: as long as we really push, not fail :) | 15:38 |
| mgoddard | then we could be stuck with duff images for a week | 15:39 |
| mnasiadka | mgoddard: we would need to have access to trigger a job | 15:39 |
| mgoddard | I was thinking of using our TBD categories | 15:39 |
| mgoddard | core images go every day, other things less often | 15:39 |
| mgoddard | we have a few ideas in the pad | 15:39 |
| mgoddard | EOL pike - does anyone disagree? | 15:40 |
| mnasiadka | or maybe there's a node pool provider that doesn't really complain about the bandwidth used - and we can stick to that? | 15:40 |
| mnasiadka | +1 for EOL pike | 15:40 |
| mgoddard | or at least disable publishing | 15:40 |
| yoctozepto | +1 eol pike | 15:40 |
| mnasiadka | I have a question by the way - do we clean up old images in docker hub, or just keep the whole history of OpenStack in there? :) | 15:41 |
| mgoddard | #agreed EOL pike | 15:42 |
| hrw | +1 | 15:42 |
| mgoddard | #action mgoddard to EOL pike | 15:42 |
| mgoddard | that's 16GB x 6 per day saved | 15:42 |
| mgoddard | mnasiadka: we don't clean up old images AFAIK | 15:42 |
| hrw | mnasiadka: as someone who had to take care of old cloud I would say: leave them | 15:42 |
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| mnasiadka | fine by me - just out of curiosity :) | 15:43 |
| hrw | if you deployed ocata with use of k-a and you got extra rack of hw then you can still deploy ocata to it | 15:43 |
| hrw | despite ocata being EOL | 15:43 |
| mgoddard | hrw: your publishing timeout patch, does it need backporting? | 15:43 |
| mnasiadka | ocata is EOL 9 months, I was talking about 3 year old images :) | 15:44 |
| hrw | mnasiadka: same rule | 15:44 |
| hrw | mgoddard: do not think so | 15:44 |
| mgoddard | hrw: why not? | 15:44 |
| mnasiadka | it would be good to keep the same timeout values in all supported branches | 15:44 |
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| mgoddard | we do see timeouts on our stable publishing jobs | 15:45 |
| hrw | mgoddard: then backport. will +2 | 15:45 |
| mgoddard | #action mgoddard to backport publishing job timeout increase | 15:46 |
| mgoddard | Now for the big one | 15:46 |
| mgoddard | We build and publish some images which are not used. | 15:46 |
| mgoddard | We have deprecated many, but should we just be bold and remove them in Train and earlier? | 15:46 |
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| hrw | remove in train | 15:46 |
| yoctozepto | I don't complain | 15:46 |
| hrw | backporint to previous would be removing features which may be against policy | 15:47 |
| mgoddard | https://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/kolla/unreleased.html#deprecation-notes | 15:47 |
| mnasiadka | mgoddard: what about just not publishing the deprecated ones? | 15:47 |
| mgoddard | almanach, dind, kolls-k8s stuff, dragonflow | 15:47 |
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| mnasiadka | and maybe not building them in CI | 15:48 |
| mgoddard | mnasiadka: that's another option. | 15:48 |
| mnasiadka | leave the code there, we remove them in U | 15:48 |
| mnasiadka | maybe even move to a ,,deprecated'' subdir | 15:48 |
| mgoddard | how would we skip them? | 15:48 |
| hrw | mgoddard: remove from profiles | 15:48 |
| mnasiadka | yup | 15:49 |
| mgoddard | do we use profiles in CI? | 15:49 |
| mgoddard | I don't think so | 15:49 |
| mgoddard | just build every supported image | 15:49 |
| yoctozepto | mgoddard: what profiles | 15:49 |
| yoctozepto | in k-a we use them | 15:49 |
| yoctozepto | per scenario | 15:49 |
| mgoddard | nope | 15:49 |
| mnasiadka | yeah, we build them all probably - it's not hard to add couple of lines of code to skip the deprecated/* ones | 15:50 |
| mgoddard | ok maybe we do in k-a | 15:50 |
| yoctozepto | xD | 15:50 |
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| yoctozepto | kolla profiles come with this categorization I proposed | 15:50 |
| mgoddard | I'm not sure how we'd do this | 15:51 |
| mgoddard | and we need to do it quickly if we're going to do it for train | 15:52 |
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| mgoddard | anyone want to pick it up | 15:52 |
| mgoddard | ? | 15:52 |
| mnasiadka | I can give it a quick go tomorrow to see if we can do it fast :-) | 15:52 |
| mgoddard | ok | 15:53 |
| mgoddard | #action mnasiadka to look at not building or publishing deprecated images | 15:53 |
| mgoddard | thanks | 15:53 |
| yoctozepto | mnasiadka: use regexp :-) | 15:53 |
| mnasiadka | yoctozepto: use the force Luke? :) | 15:53 |
| yoctozepto | no, --force is bad | 15:53 |
| mgoddard | let's revisit the other things another time | 15:54 |
| mgoddard | we have some easy wins | 15:54 |
| mgoddard | #topic (yoctozepto) policy regarding development in deployed projects, e.g. ironic has now split ironic-inspector into two services and uses tooz coordination - should we support this new mode of deployment? (I think we should, for that we are trailing cycles) | 15:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "(yoctozepto) policy regarding development in deployed projects, e.g. ironic has now split ironic-inspector into two services and uses tooz coordination - should we support this new mode of deployment? (I think we should, for that we are trailing cycles) (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:54 | |
| mgoddard | long topic | 15:54 |
| mgoddard | yoctozepto: it's yours | 15:54 |
| yoctozepto | yeah, mine | 15:55 |
| yoctozepto | I explicitly added all the details in there in case I was not around | 15:56 |
| yoctozepto | should we / should not we? :D | 15:56 |
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| yoctozepto | we are trailing for a reason | 15:56 |
| mgoddard | you mean, should we support features added in the same cycle? | 15:57 |
| yoctozepto | indeed ;D | 15:57 |
| yoctozepto | (since we are deploying THAT cycle) | 15:57 |
| mgoddard | it's not something we've ever prevented, given enough time to develop & test on our side | 15:58 |
| mgoddard | as always, just needs people to develop, test & review the code :) | 15:58 |
| yoctozepto | sure but should not that be our goal | 15:58 |
| yoctozepto | could come with categorization... | 15:58 |
| yoctozepto | (or M/T status) | 15:58 |
| mnasiadka | should be our goal, see an army of developers tracking every project changes and implementing them in k-a? :) | 15:59 |
| mgoddard | we're maintainers - our goal is to keep the project maintained & healthy | 15:59 |
| mgoddard | developing features can be done by maintainers, but you're wearing a different hat | 16:00 |
| mgoddard | we can use priorities & design discussions to try to drive the direction of development | 16:00 |
| mgoddard | but at the end of the day, people just push what they want at you :) | 16:00 |
| yoctozepto | I see, got ya | 16:00 |
| mgoddard | if you have time to work on that kind of thing, we'll happily accept it | 16:01 |
| mgoddard | that's just my view of course :) | 16:01 |
| mnasiadka | yeah, maintaining the project is prio:1, we all add some features in the background | 16:02 |
| mgoddard | we can set goals, but don't always have the manpower to carry them out | 16:02 |
| mgoddard | we're out of time unfortunately | 16:02 |
| mgoddard | we'll have to discuss "Which images should we mark as maintained in the support matrix?" next time | 16:03 |
| mgoddard | let's aim to get the support matrix merged without any Ms | 16:03 |
| yoctozepto | +1 | 16:03 |
| yoctozepto | let's call it a meeting | 16:03 |
| mgoddard | thanks all, good discussion today | 16:03 |
| mgoddard | #endmeeting | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Topic for #openstack-kolla is: support: ask.openstack.org | New to Kolla: docs @ https://docs.openstack.org/kolla/latest/ | | Kolla IRC meetngs on Wednesdays @ 15:00 UTC - see agenda @ https://goo.gl/OXB0DL - IRC channel is *LOGGED* @ http://goo.gl/3mzZ7b" | 16:04 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 9 16:04:06 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2019/kolla.2019-10-09-15.01.html | 16:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2019/kolla.2019-10-09-15.01.txt | 16:04 |
| * hrw off | 16:04 | |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2019/kolla.2019-10-09-15.01.log.html | 16:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michal Nasiadka proposed openstack/kolla master: DNM: Train RDO RC testing https://review.opendev.org/687615 | 16:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla master: Support matrix for Kolla https://review.opendev.org/677500 | 18:36 |
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| yoctozepto | mgoddard, mnasiadka, hrw: guys, let me know how real you see the ptg in Bialystok so that I could make any necessary preparations (and actually find out how and when it would be possible), thanks - we might want to organize something for students so presentations are welcome - could also include kayobe | 19:08 |
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