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| oznt | hi guys, I found the following warning for galera cluster https://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ansible/queens/admin/maintenance-tasks.html | 07:53 |
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| oznt | These are the docs for queens tough, I can't find the source for this document, nor can I find the same warning for ussuri. Does this mean that the limitation is gone? | 07:54 |
| oznt | Can I manually add nodes to galera (without ansible kolla) such that mysql restarts aren't required? I'd appreciate some advice here | 07:55 |
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| mgoddard | oznt: That is for the openstack-ansible project, not kolla | 10:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible master: make barbican notification driver configurable https://review.opendev.org/739066 | 11:56 |
| admin0 | kolla works with ubuntu 20 now ? | 12:04 |
| oznt | mgoddard, thanks for your response. But this warning is still relevant? When I add a galera node will it restart running mysql instances? Or is it possible to do it without requiring a restart | 12:20 |
| oznt | I'm sorry if this sounds dumb. I am an idiot about galera, and my team member is claiming this, and I need reference that proves otherwise | 12:22 |
| admin0 | is there any data on how many clusters is built using openstack-kolla | 12:58 |
| admin0 | yoctozepto, so kolla is another project that builds the docker containers ... and we (kolla-ansible) use the same one to set it up ? | 12:59 |
| admin0 | hmm.ignore my question .. found answer online | 13:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | gugug proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Use the children group for site.yml https://review.opendev.org/739364 | 13:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | gugug proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Use the children group for site.yml https://review.opendev.org/739364 | 14:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible master: Remove the neutron-fwaas roles since it retired https://review.opendev.org/736098 | 16:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible master: Remove policy file from nova-conductor config.json template https://review.opendev.org/739194 | 16:02 |
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| yoctozepto | oznt: yes since this changes the config but modern kolla-ansible (train+) is able to handle this gently by never letting the whole cluster be down | 16:12 |
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| oznt | yoctozepto, I'm worried about connections to single mysql instances. Are these restarted? Does this disconnect existing clients? | 16:28 |
| oznt | Let's put it this way. I have a 3 node galera cluster to expand into 5, does this cause a "service interruption" of a running cluster? | 16:29 |
| yoctozepto | oznt: yes, it does | 16:29 |
| yoctozepto | oznt: may I ask why you want to grow it? | 16:30 |
| oznt | so certain API requests will fail? | 16:30 |
| yoctozepto | oznt: might need retrying | 16:30 |
| oznt | yoctozepto, well, the current load on the control plane requires expansions to 5 machines. | 16:31 |
| oznt | As far as I understand, if I add galera nodes manually I don't need to restart the running mysql instances. Is this correct? | 16:32 |
| yoctozepto | oznt: yes, adding these manually is possible without downtime | 16:32 |
| yoctozepto | refer e.g. to https://mariadb.com/kb/en/getting-started-with-mariadb-galera-cluster/#adding-another-node-to-a-cluster | 16:32 |
| yoctozepto | generally scaling the cluster to 5 nodes does not magically improve the performance as there is even more communication workload among the members then | 16:33 |
| yoctozepto | but it might improve the performance if most requests are reads | 16:33 |
| oznt | Yes, that's what I read. I think ansible is handling such scenarios in a hard way - requiring restart. That's also maybe a problem of using docker containers. | 16:33 |
| yoctozepto | or there is lots of SQL to parse | 16:34 |
| oznt | Well, the real motivation isn't necessarily scaling. | 16:34 |
| yoctozepto | nah, it's just both projects using very strict config rules | 16:34 |
| yoctozepto | these could be relaxed but nobody did that | 16:34 |
| oznt | Our containers run in quite limited VMs, and we want to migrate to baremetal hosts without (or with limited) downtime | 16:34 |
| oznt | yoctozepto, both projects? | 16:35 |
| oznt | you mean ansible and? | 16:35 |
| yoctozepto | oznt: you mentioned openstack-ansible before, and this is kolla-ansible that we care about here | 16:35 |
| yoctozepto | these are two different projects | 16:35 |
| oznt | does openstack-ansible even exist? | 16:35 |
| yoctozepto | and ansible per se is yet another proejct - the tool we depend upon | 16:35 |
| yoctozepto | oznt: yup, they do things differently from us but they do exist | 16:36 |
| oznt | I thought that kolla ansible is the continuation | 16:36 |
| yoctozepto | the channel is openstack-ansible afair | 16:36 |
| yoctozepto | nope, we are a different project | 16:36 |
| yoctozepto | <obviosly biased opinion>the BETTER one</obviously biased opinion> :D | 16:36 |
| oznt | ha ha :-) | 16:37 |
| oznt | well, we use kolla too | 16:37 |
| oznt | Not my choice - I only inherited this cluster. So far it working for us, but I'm in the dire need to expand this cluster with minimal down time, and I am trying to reduce restarting of containers | 16:38 |
| oznt | We have the same problem with OVS, but I thought I'll tackle galera first | 16:38 |
| yoctozepto | well, ovs "just scales", no need to restart current ones | 16:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla-ansible stable/ussuri: Remove policy file from nova-conductor config.json template https://review.opendev.org/739365 | 16:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla-ansible stable/train: Remove policy file from nova-conductor config.json template https://review.opendev.org/739366 | 16:39 |
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| oznt | so, what happens if I do the following migration 3 expand to 5, than remove 2 old ones, expand to 5 again, remove that last old one and expand to 5 ovs containers. Will I experience connection losses when I remove containers? | 16:41 |
| yoctozepto | oznt: which ovs are you talking about? there is no "quorum" there so you must be talking about something else than ovs (openvswitch; be it neutron's agent, vswitchd or db) | 16:47 |
| oznt | I'm talking about the components of neutron. I'm sorry If I don't get the details right. I'm trying to understand the big picture | 16:49 |
| yoctozepto | oznt: you probably want to care about the l3, dhcp and metadata agents then | 16:50 |
| yoctozepto | oznt: you should add more of these and switch virtual routers and networks to use new ones, then decommission old ones | 16:50 |
| oznt | again, this is something I'll have to do manually, without kolla, right? | 16:51 |
| yoctozepto | you likely don't need any of these if you are running off non-virtual routed-elsewhere networks | 16:51 |
| yoctozepto | oznt: you can scale with kolla, but switching to new ones is not in its duties | 16:51 |
| yoctozepto | it would generally work in default settings but cause some amount of disruption | 16:52 |
| yoctozepto | (if you just descaled afterwards) | 16:52 |
| oznt | ok, that's good to hear. I thought so, but I needed someone with more "authority" and experience to confirm. | 16:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible master: Use the children group for site.yml https://review.opendev.org/739364 | 17:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/train: Remove policy file from nova-conductor config.json template https://review.opendev.org/739366 | 22:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/ussuri: Remove policy file from nova-conductor config.json template https://review.opendev.org/739365 | 22:22 |
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