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| openstackgerrit | Phillip Toohill proposed stackforge/octavia: Add devstack plugin for octavia https://review.openstack.org/167796 | 02:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Phillip Toohill proposed stackforge/octavia: Update nova_driver to use amp_network https://review.openstack.org/178477 | 02:17 |
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| Guest95 | Hi. new to lbaas channel. trying to make LBaaS scalable.. how to make multiple lbaas agents running on multiple nodes ? | 02:38 |
| Guest95 | If that's not possible, recommended HW spec to serve 10000 pools ? | 02:46 |
| Guest95 | any link / doc / pointer would be appreciated | 02:47 |
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| rm_you | well, if Guest95 had stuck around, we could have told him about Octavia :P | 03:21 |
| nuxxer | @rm_you Octavia .. Is it scalable ? | 03:23 |
| rm_you | Yes | 03:23 |
| rm_you | That is the plan | 03:23 |
| nuxxer | very curious.. want to know. what's best possible way to find out the proj ? | 03:24 |
| rm_you | Ah I see your hostmask now, you just rejoined | 03:24 |
| nuxxer | yep | 03:24 |
| rm_you | Well, this is the channel for it | 03:24 |
| nuxxer | I just bought textual5 .. paid $5 .. :- ) | 03:24 |
| rm_you | There will be presentations at OpenStack Summit in Vancouver next month | 03:24 |
| rm_you | yeah, it's worth it :) | 03:25 |
| nuxxer | I see. Scalable .. in a sense that haproxy can scale ? | 03:26 |
| rm_you | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia | 03:26 |
| rm_you | It uses VMs/Containers through Nova on the backend | 03:27 |
| rm_you | so it can scale as much as your Compute Cloud can scale | 03:27 |
| rm_you | each LB ends up on its own VM/Container | 03:27 |
| nuxxer | The limitation that I see with vanilla LBaaS is ... lbaas agent is stuck with haproxy processes in a same box. (whether it's VM or Bare Metal). | 03:28 |
| rm_you | so noisy-neighbor effect, fully scaling | 03:28 |
| rm_you | right | 03:28 |
| rm_you | this is not | 03:28 |
| rm_you | it should be the official default implementation for neutron-lbaas, by the end of Liberty cycle | 03:28 |
| nuxxer | ok.. so one VM per one pool ? and that one VM runs one instance of ha proxy process ? | 03:29 |
| rm_you | one VM per LB | 03:29 |
| rm_you | LB is the new root object, not Pool | 03:29 |
| rm_you | and one VM runs one haproxy process per Listener | 03:29 |
| nuxxer | Is HAproxy HA'ed ? | 03:29 |
| rm_you | one LB can have multiple listeners | 03:29 |
| rm_you | and yes, it is HA | 03:29 |
| rm_you | either active-passive or active-active | 03:30 |
| rm_you | depending on deployment | 03:30 |
| nuxxer | but you said one VM. | 03:30 |
| rm_you | sorry, VM-set | 03:30 |
| rm_you | whatever it is | 03:30 |
| rm_you | I just think of it as one VM, with clones :P | 03:30 |
| nuxxer | I see. .. to make HA, probably two VMs required .. I guess. | 03:31 |
| nuxxer | correct ? | 03:31 |
| rm_you | 2+ | 03:31 |
| nuxxer | reading.. what you mentioned above.. this is interesting. | 03:31 |
| rm_you | stick around and ask tomorrow during work hours | 03:31 |
| rm_you | most of us work in US timezones | 03:32 |
| nuxxer | I am in Austin.. just a night OWL. :- ) | 03:33 |
| rm_you | heh | 03:33 |
| rm_you | yeah, lots of us in SA at RAX | 03:33 |
| nuxxer | this is cool. | 03:39 |
| nuxxer | what about lbaas agent? | 03:39 |
| nuxxer | any plan to make it HA'ed ? | 03:39 |
| nuxxer | say.. there are 1000 pools... having just one lbaas agent makes me nervous. | 03:39 |
| nuxxer | so far.. what I find is .. each LBaaS agent knows its own pools. | 03:39 |
| rm_you | don't focus on pools | 03:39 |
| rm_you | pools are just a logical object now | 03:39 |
| rm_you | that's lbaasv1 | 03:40 |
| rm_you | we're on lbaasv2 | 03:40 |
| rm_you | LoadBalancer is the root object | 03:40 |
| rm_you | a LoadBalancer can have 1-n Listener objects | 03:40 |
| rm_you | (Neutron-LBaaS v2) | 03:41 |
| rm_you | Octavia is using the v2 model | 03:41 |
| nuxxer | I started playing with lbaas 2 days ago. so. please understand if I ask dumb questions. :- ) | 03:41 |
| rm_you | heh | 03:41 |
| rm_you | it's just a lot of people are stuck in v1 terminology | 03:41 |
| rm_you | which uses Pools as the root | 03:41 |
| rm_you | which makes zero sense | 03:41 |
| nuxxer | listener == VIP ? | 03:41 |
| rm_you | kinda | 03:42 |
| rm_you | it is kinda what the v1 VIP object was | 03:42 |
| rm_you | but the v1 VIP object was badly named | 03:42 |
| nuxxer | (sort of ?_ | 03:43 |
| nuxxer | oh... having VM... you already decoupled haproxy with lbaas agent. | 03:44 |
| nuxxer | still ... only one lbaas agent knows about the LB VM .. right ? | 03:44 |
| rm_you | the controllers are still "in communication with" the VMs | 03:44 |
| rm_you | but | 03:45 |
| rm_you | the controller layer will be HA/scaled in v1.0 | 03:45 |
| rm_you | v0.5 is the current goal tho | 03:45 |
| rm_you | that we are close to | 03:45 |
| nuxxer | so. in current version of octavia .. If I run multiple lbaas agent.. pools won't be distributed evenly on them. correct ? | 03:54 |
| nuxxer | lbaas agent ------------ VM (that runs haproxy) --------------- backend servers (like web servers) | 03:54 |
| nuxxer | The reason I am asking about multiple lbaas agent is ... again about scalability.. | 03:54 |
| rm_you | i am going to start pretending i don't know what a pool is :P | 03:54 |
| nuxxer | haha .. | 03:55 |
| nuxxer | thing is .. openstack document does not give me good definition of v2. | 03:55 |
| rm_you | yeah, by "LBaaS Agent" you mean our "Controller Layer", and right now it is single-host, but v1.0 of Octavia will have it HA/scaling | 03:55 |
| rm_you | v0.5 though it is just a single host | 03:55 |
| rm_you | http://docs.octavia.io/review/master/main/glossary.html might help some | 03:56 |
| nuxxer | a few problems .. I can think of... (hope I am wrong). | 03:58 |
| nuxxer | if becomes a VM (where you run haproxy)... that VM needs security group based on the protocol being handled. | 03:58 |
| nuxxer | if VM being HA'ed, 2 VM per LB. | 03:58 |
| nuxxer | probably VM needs several interfaces.. then ~ 2 ports per VM... | 03:58 |
| nuxxer | x2 if HA'ed | 03:59 |
| nuxxer | 1000 LB , then 2000 VMs. | 03:59 |
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| rm_you | yeah just about right | 04:00 |
| rm_you | it's worked out | 04:00 |
| rm_you | the exact network architecture depends on the deployer | 04:01 |
| rm_you | but there are some examples | 04:01 |
| nuxxer | I am glad to find this proj. | 04:01 |
| nuxxer | I really want to know the details about Octavia . will read the terms. | 04:01 |
| rm_you | best bet is to ask tomorrow | 04:01 |
| nuxxer | next time... hopefully I stop talking about pools . LOL | 04:02 |
| rm_you | there are a lot of us here online | 04:02 |
| rm_you | during the day | 04:02 |
| nuxxer | appreciate it . I will let you rest. ! | 04:02 |
| nuxxer | glad to meet you . "- ) | 04:02 |
| rm_you | yeah, hopefully it works for you | 04:03 |
| rm_you | any chance you will be at the Vancouver summit? | 04:04 |
| rm_you | or are you getting into Openstack too late for that to be workable? | 04:04 |
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| nuxxer | :- ) I was unix kernel developer for a while and just started to use openstack about 4 month ago. | 04:17 |
| nuxxer | and 2 + days for lbaas | 04:17 |
| nuxxer | it's been fun. | 04:17 |
| rm_work | heh | 04:18 |
| rm_work | well, this is the channel for it | 04:18 |
| rm_work | I think most of us at RAX will be available from about 1pm+ CST | 04:18 |
| rm_work | but there may be people from HP/A10/other online before that | 04:19 |
| nuxxer | I see. | 04:20 |
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| nuxxer | after playing with lbaas , my first question was .. why only one lbaas agent ... | 04:20 |
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| nuxxer | lbaas agent should be scaled and HA'ed. hopefully soon in octavia . :- ) | 04:24 |
| nuxxer | active/acitve way of HA. that would be awesome. | 04:24 |
| nuxxer | so that n mumber of lbaas agent can serve multiple lbaas calls from multiple tenants . | 04:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Phillip Toohill proposed stackforge/octavia: Removes include_members from jinja_cfg https://review.openstack.org/178349 | 04:58 |
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| rm_work | nuxxer: that's the plan, yes | 05:22 |
| rm_work | I am hoping our default deployment will be 2-3 haproxy nodes per LB, but it could scale up significantly | 05:23 |
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| madhu_ak | blogan: Just wondering whether the patch is okay? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178022/ because, I am thinking to write couple more tests based on testscenario approach..so that the work is not duplicated :) | 16:32 |
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| nuxxer | Hi, Is there architecture diagram that show octavia topology ? .... that shows end to end configuration ? | 17:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed stackforge/octavia: Fixes a config load bug for keystone v3 domains https://review.openstack.org/178781 | 17:38 |
| blogan | madhu_ak: was testscenario doing the same thing as ddt? | 17:40 |
| madhu_ak | yes | 17:40 |
| madhu_ak | the only difference is, we dont need to install thrid party package for ddt | 17:40 |
| blogan | ddt is standard? | 17:41 |
| blogan | i.e. is a built in python lib? | 17:41 |
| madhu_ak | yep | 17:42 |
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| blogan | ah interesting, wonder why the neutron folks use testscenarios over ddt then | 17:42 |
| madhu_ak | I think I misunderstood your question, for ddt when running the tests, we have to include ddt in test-requirements.txt | 17:43 |
| blogan | ohh, testscenarios you do not? | 17:43 |
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| madhu_ak | yep..its already mentioned in test-requirements.txt | 17:43 |
| blogan | okay in that case testscenarios is better :) | 17:45 |
| madhu_ak | since testscenario is included in test-requirements.txt, I am just importing testscenarios with its subclass TestWithScenarios to run the scenarios :) | 17:45 |
| blogan | though it does look like some openstack projects do use ddt, while most use testscenarios (based off a quick google search) | 17:45 |
| madhu_ak | to be honest, ddt is yet to be used in openstack projects | 17:46 |
| blogan | looked like marconi was using it | 17:46 |
| blogan | i guess its zaqar now | 17:46 |
| blogan | https://github.com/openstack/zaqar/blob/master/test-requirements.txt | 17:46 |
| madhu_ak | oh yeah | 17:47 |
| madhu_ak | I didnt hear that name thoug ;) | 17:47 |
| madhu_ak | yes, they are using ddt | 17:48 |
| blogan | madhu_ak: reviewed, minor complaints :) | 17:50 |
| madhu_ak | awesome, thanks for the comments :) | 17:50 |
| blogan | madhu_ak: thanks for doing the testscenarios research | 17:51 |
| madhu_ak | btw when using scenario tests, not sure whether there is a way to skip | 17:51 |
| madhu_ak | will do research though | 17:51 |
| madhu_ak | no problem | 17:51 |
| blogan | tagging with @skip wouldn't work (or @unnittest.skip) | 17:52 |
| blogan | ? | 17:52 |
| madhu_ak | not sure, will check though | 17:52 |
| madhu_ak | Once this is addressed and merged, I would like to rearrange the existing tests to reflect it? | 17:52 |
| blogan | madhu_ak: yeah that'd be great | 17:53 |
| madhu_ak | awesome | 17:53 |
| madhu_ak | one more question, I am not sure of this error when running the test against my devstack: | 17:56 |
| madhu_ak | tempest.exceptions.Conflict: An object with that identifier already exists | 17:56 |
| madhu_ak | Details: An object with that identifier already exists | 17:56 |
| madhu_ak | Details: {u'type': u'OverQuota', u'detail': u'', u'message': u"Quota exceeded for resources: ['network']"} | 17:56 |
| madhu_ak | 17:56 | |
| madhu_ak | math domain error | 17:56 |
| madhu_ak | Slowest Tests | 17:56 |
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| madhu_ak | blogan ^^ any idea about that? | 17:56 |
| blogan | how many networks do you haev under that account? | 17:58 |
| madhu_ak | when I do neutron net-list, I could see 11 | 18:00 |
| madhu_ak | including public and provate | 18:00 |
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| blogan | i bet your quota is at 10 | 18:01 |
| blogan | look in /etc/neutron/neutron.conf at the [quotas] section | 18:02 |
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| madhu_ak | yes it is 10 | 18:03 |
| madhu_ak | but it is commented.. | 18:03 |
| madhu_ak | I think its default | 18:04 |
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| blogan | yeah its the default | 18:05 |
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| madhu_ak | I see.. | 18:06 |
| madhu_ak | anyways, I need to clear up then.. | 18:06 |
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| blogan | yeah the only two options are that your tests stay under that limit by deleting networks it doesn't need (since its parallel im not sure thats always possible) or up the quota | 18:07 |
| madhu_ak | oh | 18:08 |
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| blogan | johnsom: you changed the agenda page while i was editing! | 18:33 |
| johnsom | Opps, sorry. | 18:33 |
| blogan | johnsom: ha no worries, i really just added on to what you had | 18:34 |
| johnsom | I asked German if he wanted me to update it as he is in meetings all day | 18:34 |
| johnsom | blogan Are you driving today? | 18:35 |
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| johnsom | I guess I should clarify, are you driving the meeting vs. your truck | 18:39 |
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| blogan | johnsom: lol yeah ill drive it | 19:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Trevor Vardeman proposed stackforge/octavia: Amphora SSH Driver https://review.openstack.org/160964 | 19:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/octavia: Removes include_members from jinja_cfg https://review.openstack.org/178349 | 19:48 |
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| dougwig | blogan: i'll have a few announcements at the meeting today. | 19:57 |
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| blogan | dougwig: are they already on the agenda? | 19:58 |
| blogan | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Meeting_2015-04-29 | 19:58 |
| dougwig | just added | 19:58 |
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| blogan | alright | 19:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | min wang proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: Admin_state_up tempest test for health monitor https://review.openstack.org/178827 | 20:09 |
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| johnsom | blogan When do we want to merge? | 20:43 |
| ptoohill | I suppose I should take a look but, why are others not needed that Pecan req blogan? Do you know what we are doing differently? | 20:45 |
| ptoohill | needing | 20:45 |
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| blogan | johnsom: i'd like to get it merged after teh ssh driver, so i'm actaully ready to merge the ssh driver | 20:46 |
| johnsom | Ok | 20:46 |
| blogan | johnsom: and then the controller worker would have some merge conflicts to fix probably | 20:46 |
| johnsom | Yep. | 20:46 |
| blogan | johnsom: and then we cna get that merged when you are comfortable enough with it being merged and allowing others to post reviews to fix bugs | 20:46 |
| johnsom | Can we merge the keystone one too? | 20:47 |
| johnsom | blogan: I have +2 ssh | 20:47 |
| blogan | johnsom: yep | 20:47 |
| johnsom | So, land controller worker in maybe 30? Give time for ssh to get through and me to rebase, etc. | 20:48 |
| blogan | johnsom: sounds good | 20:49 |
| johnsom | blogan: cool | 20:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/octavia: Fixes a config load bug for keystone v3 domains https://review.openstack.org/178781 | 20:53 |
| johnsom | Dooh, keystone conflict with ssh | 20:54 |
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| ptoohill | I think the latest Pecan pulls in singledispatch, blogan. Could you verify when you get a chance? | 21:00 |
| blogan | ptoohill: sure | 21:00 |
| ptoohill | 0.8.3 is latest for me | 21:00 |
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| ptoohill | hmm, it seems to be loading singledispatch even at 0.8.0 for me | 21:06 |
| blogan | well i dont know what happened with my testing of it | 21:06 |
| blogan | are you doing it from a fresh install? | 21:06 |
| blogan | and do python setup.py install | 21:06 |
| ptoohill | I purge everything pecan/singledispatch and attempt to install by hand | 21:06 |
| ptoohill | i did not do it that way | 21:06 |
| blogan | might be an issue with pbr then | 21:06 |
| ptoohill | the global-reqs version is 0.8.0 for pecan, i would have assumed others would need this also | 21:07 |
| blogan | yeah me too | 21:07 |
| johnsom | TrevorV blogan Are you guys rebasing the ssh patch? | 21:07 |
| blogan | TrevorV is giong to | 21:07 |
| johnsom | Ok, cool | 21:08 |
| blogan | ah screw it ill do it | 21:08 |
| ptoohill | :P | 21:08 |
| johnsom | I am ready to go for the controller | 21:08 |
| ptoohill | setup.py install seems to work for me, blogan. So maybe this isnt a needed req? | 21:09 |
| ptoohill | I purged packages, removed req from requirements.txt and ran it to be clear | 21:09 |
| blogan | ptoohill: let me run it on a fresh machine and see first | 21:10 |
| blogan | and then we can just remove them | 21:10 |
| ptoohill | good deal, thank you | 21:10 |
| ptoohill | where is 'ipaddr' being used? | 21:10 |
| ptoohill | eh, ill dig | 21:10 |
| blogan | i thought it was pecan as well | 21:10 |
| blogan | oh ptoohill try to run octavia after setup.py | 21:11 |
| ptoohill | i see the singledispatch req get install during setup | 21:11 |
| ptoohill | you mean run api? | 21:11 |
| blogan | yeah | 21:11 |
| blogan | should jsut be octavia-api from cli | 21:11 |
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| ptoohill | hmm | 21:12 |
| ptoohill | no module named pecan, im clearly doing something wrong | 21:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Brandon Logan proposed stackforge/octavia: Amphora SSH Driver https://review.openstack.org/160964 | 21:12 |
| blogan | that was an odd conflict, it actaully removed a close ] | 21:13 |
| ptoohill | oh, nvm derp. I purged after i installed last time. It runs for me | 21:13 |
| blogan | okay then | 21:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Trevor Vardeman proposed stackforge/octavia: Update PUT methods to send update through queue https://review.openstack.org/170989 | 21:18 |
| ptoohill | pecan doesnt install ipaddr though | 21:18 |
| ptoohill | Also, on first pass im not seeing it being used etiher | 21:21 |
| ptoohill | i take that back | 21:22 |
| johnsom | blogan: ssh through the gate | 21:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Brandon Logan proposed stackforge/octavia: Amphora SSH Driver https://review.openstack.org/160964 | 21:22 |
| blogan | johnsom: missed a newline | 21:23 |
| johnsom | Haha | 21:23 |
| blogan | ptoohill: ImportError: No module named simplegeneric | 21:24 |
| blogan | Name: pecan | 21:24 |
| blogan | Version: 0.8.3 | 21:24 |
| ptoohill | :/ its not breaking for me and what I would believe the rest of the OS community otherwise that would be in global reqs | 21:25 |
| ptoohill | and were not using the ipaddr directly, I see it used by other libs like requests | 21:26 |
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| blogan | im fine with removing it | 21:28 |
| blogan | though i don't think it will work on a fresh install | 21:28 |
| blogan | i think its something else | 21:28 |
| ptoohill | https://gist.github.com/the2hill/a4233eb60e834feace3d | 21:28 |
| blogan | what is that freeze from? | 21:29 |
| ptoohill | my box | 21:29 |
| blogan | so you already have simplegeneric | 21:29 |
| blogan | uninstall that and reinstall pecan | 21:29 |
| ptoohill | ah, i thought it was on dispatch | 21:30 |
| blogan | it was, this is different | 21:30 |
| blogan | now pip show pecan has singledispatch as a requirement | 21:30 |
| ptoohill | it tells me its not installed | 21:30 |
| ptoohill | oh, cause i uninstalled dispatch. one sec | 21:30 |
| blogan | well pecan should install | 21:30 |
| blogan | singledispatch | 21:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/octavia: Amphora SSH Driver https://review.openstack.org/160964 | 21:31 |
| blogan | uninstall pecan and simplegeneric | 21:31 |
| blogan | then try to install pecan | 21:31 |
| blogan | johnsom: ^^ megeed | 21:31 |
| blogan | merged | 21:31 |
| johnsom | Rebasing | 21:31 |
| johnsom | (if that is a word...) | 21:31 |
| blogan | i do believe ti is in our world | 21:31 |
| ptoohill | removed those three, it seems to have just installed dispatch | 21:31 |
| ptoohill | checking freeze | 21:31 |
| blogan | just run octavia-api | 21:32 |
| ptoohill | ah, theres the ipaddr req | 21:32 |
| ptoohill | :) | 21:32 |
| ptoohill | ok, so i do get the simplegeneric missing | 21:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed stackforge/octavia: Implements Octavia Controller Worker https://review.openstack.org/151496 | 21:34 |
| ptoohill | So, if anything we need that and ipaddr. Though, we have to be doing something different then others. These should be reqs already I would have thought | 21:35 |
| ptoohill | no, WSME installs ipaddr and simplegeneric | 21:37 |
| ptoohill | Ill spin up a box and test this but I believe we dont need these extra reqs and can remove them. | 21:38 |
| johnsom | Controller worker passed Jenkins. Do we want to land consumer worker now as well? | 21:39 |
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| blogan | johnsom: yes! | 22:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Trevor Vardeman proposed stackforge/octavia: Update PUT methods to send update through queue https://review.openstack.org/170989 | 22:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-lbaas: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/178417 | 23:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Phillip Toohill proposed stackforge/octavia: Remove extra requirements https://review.openstack.org/178875 | 23:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Phillip Toohill proposed stackforge/octavia: Update nova_driver to use amp_network https://review.openstack.org/178477 | 23:40 |
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