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| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/octavia master: Update hacking version to latest https://review.opendev.org/628509 | 00:38 |
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| johnsom | Those warnings were starting to bug me.... | 00:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/octavia master: Fix pool API handling of None/null updates https://review.opendev.org/659195 | 00:51 |
| rm_work | oooo | 00:55 |
| rm_work | i also hate warnings | 00:55 |
| sapd1 | rm_work, thanks :) | 00:59 |
| rm_work | haven't been able to test yet though | 00:59 |
| rm_work | i'm still figuring out my new devstack story, with new work laptop and no vmware :/ | 01:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia master: Performance improvement for non-udp health checks https://review.opendev.org/657756 | 01:05 |
| openstackgerrit | sapd proposed openstack/octavia master: Support create amphora instance from volume based. https://review.opendev.org/570505 | 01:12 |
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| sapd1 | rm_work, I don't know Do we need to check cinder's AZs and nova's AZs? If we have to check, so We will check in cinder-driver, it AZ does not match, We will raise Exception, right? | 01:25 |
| rm_work | i'm just struggling with it because it seems weird to require an AZ twice in config, especially if they have to match -- though if it's cinder without nova, then it'd make sense you'd need it in the cinder section... but i actually don't know if it's a separate AZ system or not even | 01:31 |
| rm_work | need to poke at cinder myself anyway next week | 01:31 |
| rm_work | so i'll try to figure it out | 01:31 |
| sapd1 | So we can use AZ config from nova section, It's easier way. | 01:32 |
| openstackgerrit | sapd proposed openstack/octavia master: Support create amphora instance from volume based. https://review.opendev.org/570505 | 01:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Erik Olof Gunnar Andersson proposed openstack/octavia stable/stein: Performance improvement for non-udp health checks https://review.opendev.org/659210 | 03:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Erik Olof Gunnar Andersson proposed openstack/octavia stable/rocky: Performance improvement for non-udp health checks https://review.opendev.org/659211 | 03:28 |
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| johnsom | eandersson You are on top of that... | 04:48 |
| eandersson | :D | 05:01 |
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| rm_work | sapd1 / sapd1_x : well, the issue with using the az config directly from nova is, what happens if it isn't with nova? | 08:15 |
| rm_work | Which is why I just said I was struggling with it, not that it necessarily needed to go away. I'm not sure what the right answer is there | 08:15 |
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| rm_work | To clarify, I mean, if the cinder driver is used with a new plugin in the future, like whatever we call the container driver | 08:23 |
| rm_work | There's no guarantee that will have an az concept | 08:23 |
| rm_work | I think separate is probably better, I just am not sure what kind of validation we need to do, if any | 08:25 |
| rm_work | You may be right that we can just assume the operator will configure it correctly and that's that | 08:25 |
| rm_work | Since it's not something dynamic the user has control over | 08:25 |
| rm_work | nmagnezi: were you working on fixing a bug with member subnet plugging in centos amps? | 08:30 |
| rm_work | I think we're running into that in our deployment | 08:30 |
| rm_work | Hmm, meeting in 7.5 hours | 08:31 |
| nmagnezi | rm_work, yup. working on it | 08:32 |
| rm_work | Was there a story for it? I forget | 08:32 |
| nmagnezi | yes | 08:33 |
| nmagnezi | sec | 08:33 |
| rm_work | Or have you posted anything yet? I thought I remembered a WIP patch but couldn't find anything today | 08:33 |
| nmagnezi | rm_work, https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2004112 | 08:33 |
| rm_work | Thanks | 08:33 |
| nmagnezi | rm_work, I did in the past. But now taking it to a different direction so that patch will look very different | 08:33 |
| rm_work | Ok | 08:34 |
| rm_work | I THINK it's the same bug | 08:35 |
| rm_work | But not positive actually... | 08:35 |
| rm_work | It's like it's not plugging any subnet at all, but I need to ssh in and dig further tomorrow | 08:35 |
| rm_work | Hopefully I wake up in time for the meeting ;) | 08:39 |
| nmagnezi | rm_work, I know you never actually sleep so I'm not worried :) | 08:40 |
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| sapd1 | rm_work, I agree, because normally that value has to right configured | 09:15 |
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| cgoncalves | aaaand gates are broken again. this time it's wsme https://review.opendev.org/#/c/656829/ | 09:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Gregory Thiemonge proposed openstack/octavia stable/rocky: Treat null admin_state_up as False https://review.opendev.org/659257 | 09:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Gregory Thiemonge proposed openstack/octavia stable/queens: Treat null admin_state_up as False https://review.opendev.org/659258 | 09:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Adit Sarfaty proposed openstack/octavia master: Remove tests/tempest path from devstack settings and tox https://review.opendev.org/659283 | 12:35 |
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| h3rbz | Hi! I'm trying to manualy setup octavia in a dev env in preparation for building our production cloud. As you are probably aware, the openstack docs do not include concrete installation and configuration guides for Octavia. At least not in the way they do for e.g. Cinder or Glance. Can any of you recommend a write-up that covers this in more detail? | 13:01 |
| h3rbz | I was thinking about checking out some implementations behind ansible playbooks, but I'm not very familiar with ansible and actualy having a hard time finding the code behind the playbook stanzas | 13:04 |
| goldyfruit_ | We are deploying Octavia with Kolla | 13:05 |
| goldyfruit_ | If it could help | 13:05 |
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| h3rbz | It might.. If detailed docs are not available, I would like to see some code that touches config files, installs packages, generates certs etc | 13:09 |
| h3rbz | so I can go form there and figure out what to do in our env | 13:09 |
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| johnsom | You can also reference our devstack plugin script | 13:10 |
| kobis1 | Hey any clue why tempest still looks for octavia.tests.tempest on master branch, even when I have octavia/master and octavia tempest plugin? | 13:13 |
| h3rbz | @johnsom: devstack/plugin.sh in openstack/octavia does reveal a lot of the details. Is that the one you are refering to? thx | 13:14 |
| johnsom | rm_work must have missed a tempest config setting in the removal of the v1 code. | 13:15 |
| johnsom | h3rbz: yes, that is the one. It is how we install for the test gates. | 13:15 |
| cgoncalves | kobis1, Adit proposed https://review.opendev.org/#/c/659283/ | 13:16 |
| h3rbz | cool, thx a lot. I'll put on my lab coat and start disecting it ;) | 13:17 |
| kobis1 | cgoncalves thanks :) | 13:18 |
| cgoncalves | hah! :D | 13:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Adit Sarfaty proposed openstack/octavia master: Remove tests/tempest path from devstack and tox https://review.opendev.org/659283 | 14:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Adit Sarfaty proposed openstack/octavia master: Fix catching driver exceptions https://review.opendev.org/648853 | 14:54 |
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| sahid | hi, wondering whether some cores could have a look at this fix https://review.opendev.org/#/c/656459/ | 15:14 |
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| johnsom | sahid It's on my list to look at. Sadly, the list is long.... | 15:21 |
| sahid | johnsom: thanks i appreciate that, let see if we have an other core to look at it so | 15:22 |
| johnsom | There are six cores.... | 15:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/octavia master: Add provider feature support matrix https://review.opendev.org/651974 | 15:29 |
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| rm_work | #startmeeting Octavia | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 15 16:00:17 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rm_work. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| rm_work | o/ | 16:00 |
| ataraday_ | hi | 16:00 |
| cgoncalves | o/ | 16:00 |
| rm_work | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Ann Taraday proposed openstack/octavia master: [WIP] Jobboard based controller https://review.opendev.org/647406 | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 16:01 | |
| colin- | o/ | 16:01 |
| rm_work | Neutron LBaaS is dead! Long live Octavia LBaaS! | 16:01 |
| johnsom | Wahoo! | 16:01 |
| cgoncalves | RIP | 16:01 |
| rm_work | As a result, Octavia's v1 API is also sleeping with the fishes. | 16:01 |
| rm_work | There are still some remnants sitting around, so if you see them, please throw up a quick patch to remove them. I see there was some tempest stuff I missed, for example, so thanks to Adit for proposing a patch for that. | 16:02 |
| johnsom | The big bit bucket in the sky... | 16:03 |
| rm_work | That's really all I had, anyone else have any announcements? | 16:04 |
| rm_work | #item RIP Neutron-LbaaS | 16:04 |
| rm_work | I wonder if that works... | 16:05 |
| johnsom | So I noticed you were keeping the stable branches. I think we should talk about that | 16:05 |
| rm_work | I thought we did talk about that? | 16:05 |
| rm_work | That was the decision I remember from our previous discussions... But, we can totally discuss it again. | 16:05 |
| rm_work | Any other announcements? If not, we can move to that as an agenda item | 16:06 |
| johnsom | We probably did. I'm just not 100% sure the reason we want to stay on the hook for those | 16:06 |
| johnsom | I don't have anything | 16:06 |
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| rm_work | ok | 16:06 |
| rm_work | #topic Neutron-LBaaS stable branches | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Neutron-LBaaS stable branches (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 16:07 | |
| rm_work | So, you feel like we should kill those too? | 16:07 |
| cgoncalves | Andreas Jaeger was also asking if we could keep stable branches, right? | 16:07 |
| cgoncalves | I think we should keep them. why not | 16:08 |
| rm_work | I think we'd end up with a LOT more pushback if we killed the stable branches as well... They were released, and would still be in support for two cycles or whatever, so I don't think we can just wipe those blindly (as much as it'd be nice to) | 16:08 |
| johnsom | Well, it means we have to babysit them. | 16:08 |
| rm_work | Plus, it has allowed me to somewhat assuage people's concerns by pointing to those branches to do builds if they need to | 16:09 |
| johnsom | The point of the two cycle deprecation was to give warning, etc. | 16:09 |
| rm_work | Yes, but they were official releases, and releases have a maintenance cycle.... | 16:09 |
| johnsom | So you are arguing to wait until they go to "Unmaintained" status in releases? | 16:10 |
| nmagnezi | o/ (sorry to be late) | 16:10 |
| cgoncalves | can't we just consider branches immutable/archived from now on? | 16:10 |
| rm_work | Yes | 16:10 |
| rm_work | (to johnsom) | 16:10 |
| colin- | makes sense to me, fwiw | 16:10 |
| rm_work | cgoncalves: What I mentioned on the ML was that we would not be doing anything with them unless it was absolutely critical (security patches, etc) | 16:10 |
| colin- | (re: unmaintained status) | 16:11 |
| johnsom | Right immutable is what I am advocating for | 16:11 |
| johnsom | Immutable means we don't have to keep the gates running, etc. | 16:11 |
| cgoncalves | rm_work, +1. queens to stein are deprecated releases. ideally we should even be up to bug fixing until series go EOL | 16:12 |
| rm_work | It's all there... we may as well just leave it IMO | 16:12 |
| cgoncalves | but a compromise could be considering them immutable, i.e. do not delete code in stable branches but stop accepting patches (+ no CI) | 16:12 |
| rm_work | hmmm | 16:13 |
| rm_work | I just don't see a reason to kill it | 16:13 |
| cgoncalves | removing code from branches could break CI/CD or whatever other tools people use to pull code | 16:13 |
| johnsom | Ok. | 16:13 |
| johnsom | BTW, photos: | 16:14 |
| johnsom | #link https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fydqjehy9h5y728/AABlCCHedQlB3lgqpLl5PXIKa/Octavia?dl=0&subfolder_nav_tracking=1 | 16:14 |
| cgoncalves | beautiful! | 16:15 |
| johnsom | Darn, should have read my e-mail. Also, the Shanghai call for presentations is open: | 16:16 |
| johnsom | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-May/006262.html | 16:16 |
| colin- | i swear i was smiling | 16:17 |
| rm_work | the good photo of me is when colin- has his eyes closed... >_> | 16:17 |
| colin- | haha, perfect | 16:18 |
| rm_work | Ok | 16:21 |
| rm_work | I don't think there was anything else on the agenda officially? | 16:21 |
| rm_work | Oh, we skipped this: | 16:22 |
| rm_work | #topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review | 16:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief progress reports / bugs needing review (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 16:22 | |
| rm_work | lots of good stuff showing up now that people are settling in after the PTG :) | 16:22 |
| johnsom | I don't see an agenda... https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda | 16:22 |
| rm_work | me either :D | 16:22 |
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| rm_work | is that something I'm supposed to be maintaining? ;) | 16:23 |
| johnsom | I have resumed work on fixing the None/null update APIs. I'm through "pools" now. I will continue to work through those this week. | 16:23 |
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| johnsom | I saw a patch about unsetting the admin_state_up. In general I have not been including boolean settings in the "unset" work. | 16:24 |
| cgoncalves | I also resume work on VIP ACL (started in Oct-Nov last year and had been on hold ever since). My Python 3.7 patch was rebased to exclude API v1 stuff, and addressed comments in the spare pool tempest patch | 16:25 |
| ataraday_ | I switched PoC to use redis.. and discover that it is not working as good as with zookeper :( Spend some hours debuging - I will do some workarounds to make this work | 16:26 |
| ataraday_ | about jobboard taskflow stuff ^^ | 16:26 |
| rm_work | johnsom: i kinda agree, it's up or down.... | 16:26 |
| johnsom | ataraday_ Ah, that is a bummer. Thanks for the work on that! | 16:26 |
| cgoncalves | ataraday_, what's not working as good as zookeeper? performance or some compatibility? | 16:27 |
| rm_work | i wonder if that warrants revisiting that discussion | 16:27 |
| johnsom | rm_work I guess 500 isn't good either. Maybe we still have some tests to add in addition to what I have been looking at. | 16:27 |
| ataraday_ | I just don't resume jobs on restart :) | 16:27 |
| rm_work | we assumed the choice was not going to affect the usage, I think | 16:27 |
| ataraday_ | by default | 16:27 |
| cgoncalves | ok. yeah, thank you a lot for working on jobboard support! | 16:28 |
| ataraday_ | it (redis) just don't resume jobs, yes, I was expecting it will work as zookeper, but there are some logic with claiming jobs there | 16:29 |
| rm_work | ok, so do we want to follow up with that in... | 16:32 |
| rm_work | #topic Open Discussion | 16:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 16:32 | |
| rm_work | or is that it? | 16:32 |
| ataraday_ | not sure I have a lot to discuss, I hope to make it work this week | 16:33 |
| ataraday_ | and than dig into refactor | 16:33 |
| johnsom | I think the intent was to not block the development work. If you got Redis working, great. If not, maybe we just use zookeeper for now and re-address when it comes time to consider etcd, etc. | 16:34 |
| johnsom | I would leave the decision to ataraday_ on the value trade off | 16:34 |
| rm_work | same | 16:34 |
| ataraday_ | OK | 16:35 |
| johnsom | I know we talked about the plans to use Redis for health manager and that some folks have Redis in their clouds already, but I don't want to slow down progress either. | 16:35 |
| cgoncalves | +1 | 16:36 |
| colin- | will this become the default implementation? | 16:37 |
| ataraday_ | We wanted redis to be default - in ideal world it sould not matter what backend to use | 16:38 |
| johnsom | Agreed | 16:38 |
| colin- | sorry, i should have been more specific. i was referring to the jobboard body of work | 16:38 |
| colin- | my question is if it is merged will it become the default deployment mondel, requiring all users to deploy a zk/redis cluster in support of octavia or not | 16:38 |
| rm_work | ah, not sure actually | 16:39 |
| colin- | np, early days still | 16:39 |
| johnsom | It is being developed as an alternate controller driver, but I expect many will want to run it | 16:39 |
| ataraday_ | not it will be experimental for the begining | 16:39 |
| colin- | ok | 16:39 |
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| rm_work | it requires more setup, so probably not? since we want to stay as simple as possible (we're already pretty complex to deploy) | 16:39 |
| johnsom | We also would like to see jobboard support etcd which is an OpenStack "base service", but that is also additional work. | 16:40 |
| cgoncalves | right. we discussed that at the PTG. at the time the agreement was to make it experimental and thus an offer as alternative to existing model | 16:40 |
| colin- | thanks for the reminder ;) | 16:40 |
| ataraday_ | johnsom, you said on last meeting you will do one of refactoring change as an example - will you have time for this? | 16:42 |
| johnsom | ataraday_ Ah, yes, sorry, it dropped off my radar. I will work on that this week as to not block work for others. | 16:43 |
| ataraday_ | johnsom, great, thanks! | 16:44 |
| rm_work | cool, ok | 16:48 |
| rm_work | Seems like maybe we're done? | 16:48 |
| rm_work | and I can go back to sleep \o/ | 16:48 |
| johnsom | I don't have anything else | 16:49 |
| colin- | that's all for me | 16:49 |
| rm_work | Alright, thanks for coming! | 16:49 |
| rm_work | #endmeeting | 16:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussions for OpenStack Octavia | Train PTG etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/octavia-train-ptg" | 16:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 15 16:49:36 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2019/octavia.2019-05-15-16.00.html | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2019/octavia.2019-05-15-16.00.txt | 16:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2019/octavia.2019-05-15-16.00.log.html | 16:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/octavia master: Rename review.openstack.org to review.opendev.org https://review.opendev.org/658565 | 18:00 |
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| rm_work | johnsom: did we not merge the thing with setting a custom amp user? or at least normalizing the username? | 18:56 |
| johnsom | I don't think we did. I remember the discussion, but not an outcome. | 18:57 |
| johnsom | rm_work https://review.opendev.org/#/c/464560/ | 19:00 |
| rm_work | k | 19:00 |
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| rm_work | johnsom: it looks like member networks don't happen *at all* on centos | 19:23 |
| rm_work | doesn't matter if the network is different O_o | 19:23 |
| johnsom | Say what? | 19:23 |
| rm_work | so, created a LB on networkA | 19:23 |
| rm_work | added members on networkB (subnet B) | 19:24 |
| johnsom | I know the centos gate has been broken, but I thought it was just some timeout thing | 19:24 |
| rm_work | inside the netns there's still only networkA | 19:24 |
| rm_work | looking at the agent log, i don't even see any request to plug that | 19:24 |
| rm_work | which lines up with what nir was saying to me last night | 19:24 |
| johnsom | Well, I can tell you it works on Ubuntu.... | 19:25 |
| rm_work | hmmmmm | 19:25 |
| johnsom | I just stacked and created an LB that works fine. | 19:25 |
| rm_work | it's supposed to trigger something on the amp right? | 19:25 |
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| rm_work | like, it hits the agent and says "plug this member subnet" | 19:25 |
| johnsom | https://docs.openstack.org/octavia/latest/_images/MemberFlows-get_create_member_flow.svg | 19:26 |
| johnsom | It's a pretty simple flow | 19:26 |
| johnsom | "AmphoraPostNetworkPlug is what sets up the IP inside the amp | 19:26 |
| johnsom | rm_work Are you on this or should I go poke at a centos amp? | 19:29 |
| rm_work | I'm looking at it | 19:29 |
| rm_work | i'll let you know if i need help | 19:29 |
| johnsom | +1 | 19:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia master: Update hacking version to latest https://review.opendev.org/628509 | 19:30 |
| rm_work | ah ok well | 19:41 |
| rm_work | umm | 19:41 |
| rm_work | i'm fixing it in a different way... | 19:41 |
| * rm_work just merged a change to switch the amp image build to ubuntu | 19:42 | |
| * rm_work shrugs | 19:42 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia master: Make sure amphora logging works the same on py2 and py3 https://review.opendev.org/656916 | 19:46 |
| johnsom | rm_work Is that a "I'm no longer looking at fixing centos" kind of statement? | 19:47 |
| rm_work | yeah, pretty much | 19:47 |
| rm_work | we were just using it because that's what people used elsewhere so someone thought it made sense to use it here | 19:48 |
| rm_work | but there's no reason we have to (I asked) | 19:48 |
| rm_work | and it's never been anything but problematic for me either here or at GD :/ | 19:48 |
| johnsom | Ok, I should probably look at it then | 19:48 |
| rm_work | whereas ubuntu typically just works | 19:48 |
| rm_work | but it's not explicitly clear to me why this would be a centos issue | 19:49 |
| rm_work | i'm tracing code and i don't see where it'd do the config for the new network | 19:49 |
| rm_work | on create member, the only thing that happens is a listener update | 19:49 |
| rm_work | i mean, for the amp | 19:50 |
| rm_work | it calculates the network delta and does neutron plugs/unplugs | 19:50 |
| rm_work | and that does happen correctly in our deployment too (I see the correct new port is on the amp) | 19:50 |
| rm_work | but i don't see how the agent would be triggered to bring it up in the netns | 19:50 |
| johnsom | rm_work: | 20:01 |
| johnsom | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/I8lClPdy/ | 20:01 |
| johnsom | Works for me, so... What is different in you case | 20:02 |
| johnsom | ? | 20:02 |
| rm_work | not sure | 20:05 |
| rm_work | where in the code does it write those configs out? | 20:05 |
| rm_work | is there an amp agent log entry for doing a plug? | 20:05 |
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| rm_work | i don't see anything in member flows | 20:07 |
| rm_work | oh nm there it is, i'm blind | 20:08 |
| rm_work | well, that never ran | 20:08 |
| rm_work | but the networks are different | 20:08 |
| rm_work | but we're on rocky? | 20:09 |
| rm_work | we'll be on master shortly | 20:09 |
| rm_work | can try again | 20:09 |
| johnsom | Ok, I'm on master. Grabbed the test image. | 20:11 |
| johnsom | Something is odd with your neutron network/subnet setup would be my guess. | 20:11 |
| rm_work | we do use network-id only when creating LBs | 20:12 |
| rm_work | (seems like that follows me around) | 20:12 |
| johnsom | Would be interested in a network show and subnet show | 20:12 |
| rm_work | yeah I can prolly paste you stuff in PM | 20:12 |
| johnsom | Is the member subnet on the same network as the VIP? | 20:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia master: Remove tests/tempest path from devstack and tox https://review.opendev.org/659283 | 20:13 |
| rm_work | nope | 20:13 |
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| johnsom | mystery solved, the lb-mgmt-net subnet was the same as the member subnet, so yeah, it won't get plugged. There might be an open story about this already. | 22:46 |
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