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| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/octavia master: Refactor the failover flows https://review.opendev.org/705317 | 00:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia master: Improve terminology in an old spec file https://review.opendev.org/735157 | 03:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ann Taraday proposed openstack/octavia master: Preupgrade check for amphorav2 provider https://review.opendev.org/735556 | 10:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/octavia-dashboard master: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.opendev.org/735876 | 11:23 |
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| ataraday_ | Hm, if I need to have unused import https://review.opendev.org/#/c/735556/2/octavia/cmd/status.py using #noqa is not enough? | 12:18 |
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| cgoncalves | ataraday_, # pylint: disable=unused-import | 12:21 |
| ataraday_ | cgoncalves, Thanks! | 12:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ann Taraday proposed openstack/octavia master: Preupgrade check for amphorav2 provider https://review.opendev.org/735556 | 12:42 |
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| zigo | Hi there! I've added oslo.middleware /healthcheck URL on mostly all OpenStack projects, both as a Debian patch and a PR in gerrit, now I'm trying to do it for Octavia, but there's no api-paste.ini. Is there a way to use oslo.middleware still, as per https://docs.openstack.org/oslo.middleware/latest/reference/healthcheck_plugins.html ? | 13:17 |
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| zigo | I've found out, patch is incomming ... :P | 13:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Thomas Goirand proposed openstack/octavia master: Add a /healthcheck URL from oslo.middleware https://review.opendev.org/735914 | 13:34 |
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| zigo | Please review. | 13:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Omer Schwartz proposed openstack/octavia-tempest-plugin master: tags support tests were added https://review.opendev.org/735939 | 15:24 |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Zuul is being restarted for an urgent configuration change and may be offline for 15-30 minutes. Patches uploaded or approved during that time will need to be rechecked. | 16:39 | |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Zuul is back online; changes uploaded or approved between 16:40 and 18:00 will need to be rechecked. | 18:07 | |
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| johnsom | rm_work So, this availability zone problem in the tempest plugin. It's blocking other tests form running. | 18:59 |
| rm_work | errr wat | 19:00 |
| johnsom | I think we either need to use the devstack default "nova" instead of "my_compute_zone" or create an aggregate and AZ for the tests. | 19:00 |
| rm_work | i thought we didn't even merge anything for AZs in tempest yet | 19:00 |
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| johnsom | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/35BdkOLF/ | 19:00 |
| johnsom | Someone did | 19:00 |
| rm_work | ah ... k | 19:00 |
| cgoncalves | better not assume there's one and is "nova" because that's too devstackie | 19:01 |
| rm_work | why isn't that getting created | 19:01 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I kind of agree that "nova" may not be present. | 19:01 |
| johnsom | I looked, nova doesn't have a tempest plugin (guess they missed that goal), and the main tempest repo doesn't have any config file settings for nova AZs reallly | 19:03 |
| johnsom | So, yeah, I think we would have to create valid ones somehow. | 19:03 |
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| johnsom | I get 10 failed API tests when I run tempest API with a live cloud. Some are AZ issues, some are a subnet issue | 19:06 |
| johnsom | rm_work Do you have time to look at the AZ part? | 19:07 |
| rm_work | not sure yet | 19:07 |
| rm_work | in meetings right now | 19:07 |
| rm_work | the default nova AZs are "implicit" i think | 19:07 |
| rm_work | i am not sure why we need to deal with that though | 19:08 |
| johnsom | Ok, then maybe I will take a look along with the subnet issues | 19:08 |
| rm_work | it doesn't seem relevant | 19:08 |
| rm_work | isn't the issue that the new zone we created didn't actually... get created? | 19:08 |
| rm_work | for that test we NEED two AZ's | 19:08 |
| rm_work | *AZs | 19:08 |
| rm_work | so we can't just have one or the other | 19:08 |
| rm_work | need both | 19:08 |
| johnsom | No, there is no code here to create AZ's by those naems | 19:08 |
| rm_work | err wtf | 19:09 |
| rm_work | i don't understand the problem then? i thought the code that used that new AZ was merged? | 19:09 |
| rm_work | i don't see how a test that uses that could have merged if it didn't include the code to create it | 19:10 |
| johnsom | The tempest API test, when run with real drivers, can't create an Octavia AZ profile with the AZ names hard coded in. They don't exist and test_base doesn't create them. | 19:10 |
| johnsom | Because, they are running no-op in the gate | 19:10 |
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| lxkong | morning, can i get https://review.opendev.org/#/c/732469/ merged? | 19:52 |
| lxkong | it's not so urgent, just want to remove one item from my todo list | 19:52 |
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| rm_work | johnsom: but again, how could that possibly have merged? | 21:33 |
| rm_work | the tests all run on a merge | 21:33 |
| rm_work | what am I missing here | 21:33 |
| johnsom | rm_work They only run with no-op in the gates, so it never called the actual nova | 21:33 |
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| rm_work | AH | 21:35 |
| rm_work | that's... | 21:35 |
| rm_work | wat | 21:35 |
| rm_work | the checks+gates don't run all the tests that we have? | 21:35 |
| rm_work | i don't understand how/why that's possible | 21:35 |
| johnsom | Yeah, nodepool instances suck (see qemu tcg) so there is no way we can run API live, it only runs with no-op | 21:36 |
| rm_work | uhh | 21:36 |
| rm_work | but we run it SOMEWHERE? | 21:36 |
| rm_work | or it wouldn't be causing a problem | 21:36 |
| rm_work | do you see my confusion? if it doesn't run ... then there's no way it could be failing now? | 21:36 |
| johnsom | If you run the API suite on a real cloud, yes, the tests fail because they are bad | 21:37 |
| rm_work | OH | 21:37 |
| rm_work | i thought you said our gates were blocked | 21:37 |
| rm_work | because of this | 21:37 |
| rm_work | you mean, internally your tempest runs are failing because of this | 21:37 |
| johnsom | No, my testing of other patches is blocked when I run them live. This AZ stuff bombs before the test can run | 21:38 |
| rm_work | right but it's not ACTUALLY blocking the gates | 21:38 |
| johnsom | I mean on my local workstation, today, trying to test out this tags patch | 21:38 |
| rm_work | so ... yes, we need to fix this. but you can @skip them for now | 21:38 |
| rm_work | locally | 21:38 |
| rm_work | it's not a gate-blocker | 21:38 |
| johnsom | Well, I re-hard coded it to nova to get past it. | 21:39 |
| rm_work | honestly that patch should not have been merged probably, it was not ready | 21:39 |
| rm_work | we had outstanding work to do | 21:39 |
| rm_work | around creating the AZs correctly, as you noticed | 21:39 |
| johnsom | It's the second time I have hit it, so was poking again | 21:39 |
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| rm_work | I'll see if i can find time to look again | 21:39 |
| rm_work | my problem was that I *don't actually know* how to really create a working AZ | 21:39 |
| johnsom | So, this is going to be a problem: "While it is possible to add a host to multiple host aggregates, it is not possible to add them to multiple availability zones. Attempting to add a host to multiple host aggregates associated with differing availability zones will result in a failure." | 21:40 |
| rm_work | because it requires lots of networking and nova setup | 21:40 |
| rm_work | need to set up a HV (so requires multinode, i think?) and also a separate set of networks | 21:40 |
| johnsom | openstack aggregate create --zone my-availability-zone my-aggregate | 21:40 |
| rm_work | right | 21:40 |
| rm_work | you need multiple real HVs | 21:40 |
| johnsom | I think for API we *might* be able to just create some, with no hosts behind them | 21:40 |
| rm_work | or I THINK you can fake it, with multiple nova agents on the same HV | 21:40 |
| rm_work | right but we need an ACTUAL REAL TEST | 21:41 |
| johnsom | I think they just need to exist to pass | 21:41 |
| rm_work | because there's stuff with AZ that we didn't catch until I ran it in prod here | 21:41 |
| johnsom | Yeah, the real scenario test hasn't merged yet | 21:41 |
| rm_work | oh ok | 21:41 |
| rm_work | i thought that was the one you meant | 21:41 |
| johnsom | It's borked too though | 21:41 |
| rm_work | there was some ... prelim test? | 21:41 |
| rm_work | right the actual real scenario test is not even close to ready IIRC | 21:41 |
| johnsom | I'm trying to fix the API suite | 21:42 |
| johnsom | that is merged | 21:42 |
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| rm_work | yeah i will think on that | 22:07 |
| rm_work | but yes, mayhaps using "nova" is fine | 22:08 |
| rm_work | we didn't want to create random AZs in real deployments | 22:08 |
| rm_work | and honestly it should be enough validation | 22:08 |
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| johnsom | Well, we create all sorts of random stuff in tempest, so that wouldn't be much different | 22:08 |
| rm_work | doesn't mean we SHOULD | 22:09 |
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| rm_work | i tried to avoid that in the past | 22:09 |
| rm_work | because like ... at GD we ran the tempest suite in prod, after releases | 22:10 |
| johnsom | It's pretty much the premise of tempest | 22:10 |
| rm_work | well i mean, yeah, VMs | 22:10 |
| rm_work | but not actually changing cloud admin config | 22:10 |
| rm_work | which is what creating an AZ would fall into | 22:10 |
| rm_work | that affects the environment outside of a single test tenant | 22:12 |
| rm_work | that's what i meant | 22:12 |
| rm_work | you still good to talk metrics in like an hour? | 22:12 |
| rm_work | <_< | 22:12 |
| johnsom | I would say only if we started assigning hosts to them | 22:12 |
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| johnsom | Yeah, I can try | 22:12 |
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| rm_work | if you have an env with out the implicit nova AZ, and then you create another AZ, it changes the behavior of the default create VM command | 22:15 |
| rm_work | regardless of whether it is assigned HVs | 22:15 |
| rm_work | (I believe) | 22:15 |
| rm_work | nova knows implicitly to use the builtin "nova" az, even if the user doesn't specify one, if there's no custom AZs created | 22:15 |
| rm_work | but if you create a second one, it suddenly requires that arg | 22:16 |
| rm_work | i know that actually happened to us here, but i suppose that COULD have been some local patch that allowed us to create VMs without passing an AZ to begin with... | 22:16 |
| johnsom | That would be dumb given they have " default_availability_zone " in the nova config | 22:16 |
| rm_work | lol maybe our config was just bad | 22:17 |
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| johnsom | Blah, the aggregate has to have at least one host for the AZ to show up. | 22:33 |
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| rm_work | johnsom: you here? | 23:45 |
| johnsom | rm_work Yeah | 23:45 |
| rm_work | let's discuss metrics for like ... 15min? with aannuusshhkkaa shtepanie | 23:46 |
| rm_work | if you can | 23:46 |
| johnsom | Ok, sure | 23:46 |
| rm_work | otherwise we may have to put this off to tomorrow or thursday | 23:46 |
| rm_work | it took awhile to get them caught up on context :D | 23:47 |
| rm_work | so much context >_< | 23:47 |
| johnsom | Sooooo much context, lol | 23:47 |
| rm_work | So as I see it, there's two distinct things here | 23:47 |
| rm_work | 1) Add some additional metrics, like RAM/CPU | 23:48 |
| rm_work | 2) Make metrics use deltas | 23:48 |
| rm_work | 3) Ship metrics somewhere | 23:48 |
| rm_work | ... all two things | 23:48 |
| johnsom | Ship/make available yeah | 23:48 |
| rm_work | so yeah, those three things | 23:48 |
| rm_work | I think we may want to start off with #1 | 23:48 |
| rm_work | and then see how much progress we can make on #2 and #3 | 23:49 |
| rm_work | POSSIBLY #3 first, since #2 is a bit ... complex? | 23:49 |
| johnsom | Ok. 1 and 2 might go nicely together as you will need to bump the message version for both | 23:49 |
| rm_work | though I don't know if we can, because if we implement #3 does that give us a contract that we would then break by doing #2? | 23:49 |
| johnsom | Maybe, yes. The thing with deltas is just updating the agent to calculate them, then updating the update_db to use a different repository call that does the addition. That levels things backwards compatible. | 23:51 |
| johnsom | 1. Is about deciding how to collect, units (uptime style or percentages, etc.), then extending the message for a new version. | 23:52 |
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| johnsom | I have already done one version bump for the metrics messages, so that should be fairly straight forward. Maybe a little refactor in the updatedb code to handle it clean. | 23:53 |
| rm_work | johnsom: so you still want to store them as one row | 23:54 |
| johnsom | #3 is a bit more design. We need to come up with an interface that allows us to throw metrics at a driver, then one or more drivers that send them somewhere or expose some sort of endpoint (Prometheus exporter kind of thing). | 23:55 |
| rm_work | i was thinking of storing many rows | 23:55 |
| rm_work | but actually yeah, that's not scalable | 23:55 |
| rm_work | unless we're doing it in a bigdata system like hadoop | 23:55 |
| rm_work | and doing rollups | 23:55 |
| rm_work | (which IS what we did at RAX with CLB) | 23:55 |
| johnsom | Well, we need to maintain backward compatibility, so we still need to aggregate them in the DB so the current stats APIs still work. I was thinking that via the drivers/export interface we could provide deltas such that a driver could store it in a timeseries, like influx or such. | 23:56 |
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| rm_work | yeah | 23:57 |
| rm_work | which we already do (we just provide the DB driver) | 23:57 |
| johnsom | So it's a bit of split data there, one path maintains what we have, just does it better. The other passes it off to an interface of one or more drivers | 23:57 |
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