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| csaba1 | toabctl: I answered to your comment on https://review.openstack.org/165482, can you pls take a look at it? | 09:41 |
| csaba1 | toabctl: thx! | 10:37 |
| toabctl | csaba1: ah. forgot to mention the I answered! | 10:38 |
| csaba1 | yep np I noticed | 10:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Csaba Henk proposed openstack/manila: ganesha: Add doc https://review.openstack.org/165482 | 10:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: Release Neutron ports after share server deletion using generic driver https://review.openstack.org/181470 | 10:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: Release Neutron ports after share server deletion using generic driver https://review.openstack.org/181470 | 11:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: Fix share-server resources cleanup in generic driver https://review.openstack.org/181380 | 11:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: Release Neutron ports after share server deletion using generic driver https://review.openstack.org/181470 | 11:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: Fix share-server resources cleanup in generic driver https://review.openstack.org/181380 | 11:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: Release Neutron ports after share server deletion using generic driver https://review.openstack.org/181470 | 11:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: [WIP] Debug no-share-servers tempest job https://review.openstack.org/182263 | 12:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Igor Malinovskiy proposed openstack/manila: Provide private data storage API for drivers https://review.openstack.org/176877 | 12:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/manila: Add doc for network plugins https://review.openstack.org/171166 | 13:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/manila: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/181948 | 14:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: [WIP] Debug no-share-servers tempest job https://review.openstack.org/182263 | 14:36 |
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| ganso | vponomaryov: ping | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: pong | 15:46 |
| ganso | I am reading your comments, thanks a lot for the review :) | 15:46 |
| vponomaryov | np | 15:46 |
| ganso | there are two or three comments that I led me to notice that there is a certain confusion around the migration approach | 15:46 |
| ganso | there is a temporary share DB entry | 15:47 |
| ganso | we will discuss this @ Vancouver | 15:48 |
| ganso | but in summary: | 15:48 |
| ganso | the generic approach is to create a totally new share in the dest backend, mount both shares, copy data over, delete the old physical share and the new DB entry, thus it will remain only the original DB entry (original ID), and the new physical share... this is the same approach as Cinder's | 15:50 |
| ganso | the only thing that is temporary is the new share DB entry. The physical share itself is not temporary | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176877/ will allow us to avoid creation of "temp" share in DB | 15:53 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: so, I guess, there is no need to use "this", Cinder's approach | 15:54 |
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| vponomaryov | ganso: also, what do you think about proposal fol "general" "task state" instead of "migration_status" share field? | 15:55 |
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| ganso | vponomaryov: the approach certainly can be improved, when I started prototyping it, Private Share Data was still being discussed as a concept | 15:56 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: now, it is ready to be merged | 15:56 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: just no review activity so far =) | 15:57 |
| ganso | I have taken a look at it, it still has to be rebased, right? | 15:57 |
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| ganso | vponomaryov: I am not familiar with the task_state field from nova, the concept of "migration_status" as used in Cinder was easy enough for me to understand | 15:58 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: it is not at the HEAD of master branch, but there is no need to rebase it. | 15:58 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: it says what being performed with a share (instance) | 15:59 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: it looks quite behind, there may be conflicts during merge | 15:59 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: I had several problems rebasing Share_migration | 15:59 |
| ganso | task_state = "migrating" for instance? | 15:59 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: I answered about rebase of "driver private data" =) | 16:00 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: right | 16:00 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: you are right, that looks better, lemme check if this field already exist | 16:00 |
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| vponomaryov | ganso: not in manila | 16:00 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: it should be separate change | 16:01 |
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| vponomaryov | ganso: add field in general, then reuse it for migration functionality | 16:01 |
| ganso | yea maybe I could submit another patch with that field, and migration would be the first to use it | 16:01 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: picking from mind =) | 16:01 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: thanks a lot for these suggestions :) | 16:01 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: as for the temporary DB entry, there is still one concerning detail | 16:02 |
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| vponomaryov | which one? | 16:02 |
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| ganso | vponomaryov: I believe that drivers will still need to get acquainted with private share data in order for this to be compatible, for instance, drivers currently may be used to storing information in the DB during share creation, the approach taken from Cinder is because drivers add backend-specific metadata to Volumes during volume creation. We do not have that with shares, but I was worried that might be a problem. | 16:04 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: Either way, it is easy to change that, I can make it skip DB entry creation when creating the new physical share in dest backend | 16:04 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: support of "migration" is absent in drivers too | 16:05 |
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| vponomaryov | ganso: so, no problems =) | 16:05 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: yes, very well observed hehe | 16:06 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: support of "migration" feature in drivers can be implemented using "driver private storage" | 16:06 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: sometimes i think too far ahead | 16:06 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: isn't that only related to additional metadata storage? | 16:07 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: I did not get, what "it" is related to additional metadata storage? | 16:08 |
| ganso | "driver private storage" | 16:09 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: it is supposed to store only metadata added by driver/manager, correct? | 16:09 |
| vponomaryov | it is the same | 16:09 |
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| vponomaryov | ganso: right | 16:09 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: no user interface | 16:09 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: only driver-visible | 16:09 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: driver/manager | 16:10 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: great, so the part about obtaining information from backends, like network path and mount command, can be stored there, instead of running a command in the dest backend to retrieve it. | 16:10 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: network path? | 16:11 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: you mean export location? | 16:11 |
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| ganso | vponomaryov: network path between the node that is mounting and the backend. The Node mounting needs to be able to reach the export location IP address | 16:12 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: when we create a share, we expect the VMs inside openstack to mount it | 16:13 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: we usually do not expect a controller or an admin-node to mount it | 16:13 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: network availability is a must, but, Manila should not change any networking routes | 16:13 |
| vponomaryov | also, I am not sure that we should strictly use "manila node" for it | 16:14 |
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| ganso | vponomaryov: Manila does not, it is up to driver, same as generic driver creates a VIF so the Manila-shr node can SSH into the share server | 16:14 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: admin should be able to specify some specific host/VM that will perform migration operation | 16:14 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: we will not, as bswartz suggested, we will only integrate manila when we have a Data Copy Service running | 16:15 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: integrate *share_migration to manila | 16:15 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: in the generic driver implementation, I use the same IP address as the Manila-shr uses to SSH into the share servers, that is the network path. | 16:17 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: what about absen of share servers? | 16:17 |
| vponomaryov | s/absen/absence? | 16:18 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: second driver mode | 16:18 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: also up to driver, in generic driver implementation (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179791/), since all manual share server parameters are set through manila.conf, the network path also is. So the IP address to reach the VM needs to be set in manila.conf as well | 16:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Igor Malinovskiy proposed openstack/manila: Add share extend API https://review.openstack.org/182377 | 16:20 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: currently it seems like a lot of work for a driver to support migration, but with "driver private share data" we will greatly simplify it | 16:21 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: Did you consider not file-based migration but some byte-copying? | 16:22 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: Yes, that was very troublesome... mainly because Share Backends understand filesystems, not block storage. | 16:23 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: When we copy a file from Filesystem X to Filesytem Y, this works because both filesystems understand files, they may lose some information like timestamp, access permissions, or some other filesystem-related metadata, but they can be copied, it like copying from NTFS to FAT32. | 16:24 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: but if we copy all blocks from the underlying volume in share X to the underlying volume in share Y, and share Y's backend is not familiar with the filesystem when attempting to read it, then it is not going to work | 16:25 |
| ganso | the "driver migration" approach is free to do that | 16:26 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: but the generic migration should not | 16:26 |
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| vponomaryov | ganso: "share backends" are also "block storages" | 16:29 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: also we can verify "compatibility" | 16:30 |
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| vponomaryov | ganso: "mount" operation is some-kind of work-around for "migration" operation, IMHO | 16:31 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: I checked this on 2 Share backend types I work here, one is a NAS backend, and moving block storage among them was not supported by either | 16:31 |
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| vponomaryov | ganso: we do not need "moving" indeed, we need copy data by any means | 16:32 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: so far, the mount operation is what I found to work when one backend does not know anything about the other. The driver migration is up to move block storage if it finds it understands the destination backend and can do so | 16:32 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: so, I guess, Manila's migration should be able to provide different "types" of migration | 16:33 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: it is very likely to have same types of backends, but in different DCs | 16:34 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: Cinder attaches both volumes to the Cinder node, it would be easier to do the same in Manila, just copy files from one share to the other without having to mount them, but that would be likely impossible when they are not in the same manufacturer backend | 16:34 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: and we may want to perform evacuation from one of DCs | 16:34 |
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| ganso | vponomaryov: sorry, what is a "DC"? | 16:34 |
| vponomaryov | data center | 16:34 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: oh, hehe, thanks | 16:35 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: @ Vancouver we will discuss migrating from one protocol to another, but that feels like it would follow the same rule: generic migration should not change protocols, if driver knows where it is migrating to, it is free to do it | 16:36 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: since as bswartz once said that cloud providers usually have several storage / share backends from the same vendors (although not all of them may be from the same vendors), the driver migration approach may be used a lot, if it is implemented by vendor | 16:37 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: and the generic approach may be less used, like when share type to a very different one | 16:38 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: * like when changing share type | 16:38 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: overall I am pretty sure a lot will change over time in this share_migration subject, there is still a lot to be improved | 16:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: [WIP] Debug no-share-servers tempest job https://review.openstack.org/182263 | 16:43 |
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| vponomaryov | ganso: thanks for interesting discussion | 16:44 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: np! feel free to add more suggestions to share migration :) | 16:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chuck Fouts proposed openstack/manila: NetApp cDOT driver fails Tempest cleanup on clone workflows https://review.openstack.org/178825 | 16:49 |
| cknight | vponomaryov: ^^ This is the patch we need to get our Manila CI reporting to upstream Gerrit. We'd like to do that before the summit. | 16:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Igor Malinovskiy proposed openstack/manila: Implement extend_share() method in Generic driver https://review.openstack.org/182383 | 16:54 |
| vponomaryov | cknight: LGTM, +2'd | 17:00 |
| cknight | vponomaryov: Excellent, thanks! | 17:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/manila: NetApp cDOT driver fails Tempest cleanup on clone workflows https://review.openstack.org/178825 | 18:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ben Swartzlander proposed openstack/manila: Update Quickstart guide https://review.openstack.org/182440 | 20:18 |
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