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| openstackgerrit | zhongjun proposed openstack/manila master: Fix list share slow https://review.openstack.org/458771 | 08:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tom Barron proposed openstack/manila master: Fix api-ref doc generation for Python3 https://review.openstack.org/457883 | 10:22 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: I will be a half-hour late for the unlimited shares meeting, had a conflict that I forgot about yesterday. | 12:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/manila master: Fix api-ref doc generation for Python3 https://review.openstack.org/457883 | 12:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/manila master: Optimize the link address https://review.openstack.org/455523 | 12:57 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: is there a Weber meeting invite? | 12:59 |
| xyang1 | Webex | 13:00 |
| bswartz | xyang1: I was going to use my personal room | 13:00 |
| bswartz | but at 1400 | 13:00 |
| bswartz | in 1 hour | 13:00 |
| xyang1 | Ok | 13:01 |
| bswartz | xyang1 vponomaryov vkmc arnewiebalck ganso tbarron zhongjun markstur: reminder that we plan to meet at 1400 (in about an hour) on webex to discuss unlimited size shares -- we'll use my personal room -- https://netapp-meeting.webex.com/join/bswartz | 13:05 |
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| bswartz | xyang1 vponomaryov vkmc arnewiebalck ganso tbarron zhongjun markstur: webex started -- https://netapp-meeting.webex.com/join/bswartz | 14:00 |
| tbarron | bswartz: as noted above, i will be a half hour late ... | 14:00 |
| bswartz | tbarron: ack | 14:01 |
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| bswartz | tommylikehu: courtesy ping ^ | 14:02 |
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| tommylikehu | hey bswartz | 14:03 |
| bswartz | tommylikehu: do you know where zhongjun is? we're waiting for he | 14:03 |
| bswartz | for her | 14:03 |
| tommylikehu | ok, I will call her | 14:04 |
| zhongjun | Please give me a call number | 14:04 |
| tommylikehu | zhongjun, great ! | 14:05 |
| tommylikehu | https://netapp-meeting.webex.com/join/bswartz | 14:05 |
| tommylikehu | can you join? | 14:05 |
| bswartz | zhongjun: I don't have the dial in numbers for china | 14:05 |
| bswartz | the dial in number should be the same you used tuesday | 14:05 |
| bswartz | the meeting number is 920 064 983 after you find the dial in number | 14:06 |
| tommylikehu | zhongjun don't forget the 17951 | 14:06 |
| vponomaryov | +1-844-655-1728 | 14:06 |
| vponomaryov | try this ^ | 14:06 |
| bswartz | she needs the china toll free number | 14:06 |
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| zhongjun | bswartz: my webex is logininnnnnnnng... | 14:06 |
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| zhongjun | bswartz: thanks | 14:07 |
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| vponomaryov | I am not in US too, but I use this all the time ) | 14:07 |
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| tommylikehu | vponomaryov: it differs from the different network carrier | 14:07 |
| zhongjun | vponomaryov: thanks | 14:07 |
| xyang_ | zhongjun: China North Toll free 10-800-714-1858 | 14:07 |
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| xyang_ | zhongjun: access code: 920064983 | 14:08 |
| xyang_ | zhongjun: China South Toll free: 10-800-140-1885 same access code | 14:08 |
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| zhongjun | xyang_ Do I need add something in front of 10-800-140-1885 | 14:11 |
| xyang_ | zhongjun: you shouldn't need that | 14:11 |
| xyang_ | zhongjun: which number did you call when you joined the ensure share call the other day? It should be the same | 14:12 |
| zhongjun | 18446551728 | 14:12 |
| xyang_ | zhongjun: that's a toll free from us | 14:13 |
| xyang_ | zhongjun: if that works for you, try it | 14:13 |
| xyang_ | zhongjun: I thought you need a toll free number from china | 14:14 |
| zhongjun | ok I am in the meeting now | 14:22 |
| xyang_ | ok, good | 14:22 |
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| tbarron | zhongjun's phone battery died, so will rely on the meeting summary | 14:58 |
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| zhongjun | my phone has been temporarily stopped because of an overdue bill :( | 15:01 |
| zhongjun | thanks tbarron | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | okay I the webex went a little longer than expected but it's ended now | 15:09 |
| bswartz | I'm going to write a ML post after lunch but let me summarize what we discussed briefly here | 15:09 |
| bswartz | There are lots of different problems and lots of different solutions that all seem to fit under the umbrella of "infinite/unlimited shares", and as a community we're unclear on exactly which problems we're trying to solve and if the proposed solution actually solves those problems | 15:12 |
| bswartz | None of the problems we're currently aware of require the concept of an unlimited share to solve -- many of them can be addressed by other less complex solutions | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | Also, many of the proposed solutions, such as new styles of quota enforcement (deferred, enforced at the group level, enforced at the tenant/project level) all suffer from serious technical problems | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | Therefore we agreed on the call that infinite shares are not something we need or want right now, and we want more/better use cases to consider before we actually tackle a feature like that | 15:15 |
| bswartz | What we agreed we should focus on during pike is addition of share-type quotas (already being worked on by vponomaryov) and share usage metrics | 15:16 |
| bswartz | many problems that seem to require unlimited shares can actually be solved by having different GB quotas for different share types, where the admin has configured share types with thin provisioning or other techniques to make store cheap and to manage free space at the pool level rather than at the share level | 15:18 |
| bswartz | And share usage metrics is a prerequisite for any kind of truly unlimited shares, as well as many of the proposed new quota enforcement schemes, plus usage metrics has tremendous value from a billing/management perspective, irrespective of unlimited shares | 15:19 |
| bswartz | Therefor the proposed path forwards is to complete the share type quotas work and to look for someone willing to own the share usage reporting feature, which requires a new spec, and may or may not interact with vkmc's existing ceilometer integration spec | 15:21 |
| bswartz | We should consider that additional feature as a potential high priority feature for Pike, but given how late it is and the potential dependencies on the ceilometer work, it might need to wait for Queens in any case | 15:22 |
| bswartz | after lunch I'll write up a ML post about the usage reporting issue so we can focus our energy on that | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | thx tbarron and zhongjun for driving this discussion and thx all for your valuable input -- the phone call went really well and I think we all got useful information | 15:23 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: share type quotas are finished | 16:20 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: don't know why are you considering it as "ongoing" feature | 16:21 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: Ui part is not done - yes, but it is not feature itself | 16:21 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: so, it is already available for playing | 16:22 |
| vponomaryov | using server and client | 16:22 |
| vponomaryov | not UI yet | 16:22 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: the share usage reporting is a part of infinite share spec, I can separate it to two | 16:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila-ui master: Add possibility to revert a share to a snapshot https://review.openstack.org/458915 | 16:38 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: just raising awareness in the rest of the community -- we know about it but some others interested in unlimited shares might not realize we're working on it | 18:01 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: "we're working on it" sounds as "nothing to try out yet" | 18:01 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: but it is not so | 18:01 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: okay I'll emphasize that in the future | 18:11 |
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