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| flwang | flaper87: pls revisit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66787/ thanks | 11:00 |
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| flaper87 | flwang: $100 and I'll do it right away | 11:01 |
| flaper87 | :D | 11:02 |
| flaper87 | flwang: +@ | 11:02 |
| flaper87 | flwang: +2 | 11:02 |
| flaper87 | looks much better now | 11:02 |
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| flwang | flaper87: thanks a lot :) | 11:36 |
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| alcabrera | Good morning. :) | 14:32 |
| alcabrera | flaper87, kgriffs: o/ | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: o/ | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | yo yo, how are you doing? | 14:33 |
| alcabrera | Great! Hungry! A little tired. You, flaper87? :) | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: I'm doing great! I'm in a non-coffee day, wish me luck! | 14:34 |
| alcabrera | good luck, flaper87! You'll make it through anyway. I've heard you never sleep. ;) | 14:35 |
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| flaper87 | I never sleep but that's not because of coffee :D | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | that's a mix of caffeine, willing to learn new things, tech dependency and yeah, I've never slept much so I guess there's a bit of genetics there | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | thing is, when you start trembling because you *didn't* have coffee then you realize something is not right | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:37 |
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| alcabrera | hahaha | 14:38 |
| alcabrera | yeah... | 14:38 |
| alcabrera | that's too much coffee. :P | 14:38 |
| alcabrera | replace it with coffee cheesecake for good temporary results. | 14:39 |
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| alcabrera | Meeting in 6 minutes, eh? :) | 14:53 |
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| flwang | alcabrera: yep, and morning :) | 14:58 |
| flwang | alcabrera: and can you revisit this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66787/ ? thanks | 14:58 |
| alcabrera | flwang: good morning! +2/approved in time for the meeting. :) | 15:00 |
| kgriffs | 0/ | 15:00 |
| flwang | let's meeting :) | 15:00 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-marconiclient: Add /health support to the client https://review.openstack.org/66787 | 15:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/marconi: Removed copyright from files without code https://review.openstack.org/69417 | 15:20 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/marconi: add copyright notices to some source files https://review.openstack.org/69265 | 15:21 |
| alcabrera | Good read on FIFO-ness: http://brandon.si/code/thoughts-on-fifo-ness/ | 15:29 |
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| alcabrera | tl;dr of it - lazier FIFO strategies work better than strict strategies wrt FIFO-semantics adherance | 15:30 |
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| kgriffs | flaper87: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70402/ | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | oooooops. Did I just drop a link there? | 16:01 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL | 16:01 |
| alcabrera | lol | 16:01 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: the idea is that Malini will make some gate jobs to test against a standalone server and the different dbs | 16:01 |
| alcabrera | I'll update those minutes. | 16:01 |
| kgriffs | that is why I mocked the http client interface - so they can be switched back and forth depending on the env. | 16:02 |
| malini | I already update alcabrera's etherpad with the plan | 16:02 |
| flaper87 | it's a bit weird that our functional tests don't run on a running marconi server | 16:02 |
| malini | updated* | 16:02 |
| flaper87 | I'm fine with this patch | 16:02 |
| flaper87 | my only comment is that we should find a better way to do this: _RUNNING_UNDER_DEVSTACK = os.environ.get('MARCONI_DEVSTACK') is not None | 16:02 |
| * kgriffs give flaper87 something valuable | 16:02 | |
| flaper87 | we're starting to have many of those | 16:02 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: yes, that is just a placeholder | 16:02 |
| flaper87 | not a blocker at all | 16:02 |
| kgriffs | we should have a nice way to load up vars and stuff | 16:03 |
| kgriffs | sounds like a possible oslo contribution once we figure out an elegant way? | 16:03 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: +1 | 16:03 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: is this WSGIClient something that we could move into falcon at some point? Sounds like a good thing to have for testing | 16:04 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: hmmm, interesting idea | 16:05 |
| alcabrera | +1, flaper87 re: WsgiClient in falcon | 16:05 |
| kgriffs | I'll add an issue to the githubz | 16:05 |
| flaper87 | I'll approve the patch, we'll figure this out later | 16:05 |
| alcabrera | I've reimplemented that thing at least twice now in projects I've used falcon and/or wsgi for. :P | 16:05 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: API v1.1 Draft Review (w/ link to v1.1 spec) added to "Extra Stuff" for next week's meeting | 16:06 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: can we rename MARCONI_DEVSTACK to MARCONI_LIVE or something like that? | 16:07 |
| flaper87 | I don't want people to think that those tests depend on devstack | 16:07 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: sure | 16:07 |
| alcabrera | +1 | 16:07 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera: thanks | 16:07 |
| flaper87 | also, do we really need ResponseMock ? | 16:08 |
| flaper87 | oh nevermind | 16:08 |
| flaper87 | that was stupid | 16:08 |
| flaper87 | it's just that calling wsgi directly feels more like unittest | 16:08 |
| flaper87 | so, I'm trying to think about a way we can make it more real | 16:09 |
| alcabrera | I reason that the only step to make it more real is to invoke the network communication over localhost, which wouldn't exercise the marconi logic, but rather, the wsgi server implementation. | 16:10 |
| alcabrera | imho, we don't gain anything by using wsgiref in the functional tests, since the API logic and storage logic will be invoked even by using WSGIClient. | 16:10 |
| flaper87 | yeah, that's a good way to put it! | 16:11 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera: well, it would ensure we are speaking correct WSGI | 16:11 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 16:11 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: the best I have come up with so far is to add a gate job to do that | 16:11 |
| kgriffs | the normal tox stuff will just speak raw WSGI | 16:11 |
| flaper87 | FWIW, we execute real glance servers for glance-api tests | 16:11 |
| kgriffs | but, I am open to ideas | 16:11 |
| flaper87 | functional tests | 16:12 |
| alcabrera | hmmm, fair point, kgriffs, in that we return bytes and set headers correctly (via falcon, etc.) | 16:12 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: I see this patch as just the first iteration on making this better | 16:12 |
| kgriffs | (in the interest of unblocking other patches) | 16:13 |
| kgriffs | (that keep failing due to the wsgi server thing) | 16:13 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: yeah, sounds good to me. We need to iterate more on functional tests | 16:14 |
| flaper87 | so, I'm ready to +2 as soon as you rename that var | 16:14 |
| flaper87 | saying `var` feels dirty | 16:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Kurt Griffiths proposed a change to openstack/marconi: test(functional): Use direct WSGI requests in lieu of a wsgiref server https://review.openstack.org/70402 | 16:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Kurt Griffiths proposed a change to openstack/marconi: fix(wsgi): Cleanup limit config options https://review.openstack.org/70463 | 16:15 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: keep your foul language to yourself. sheeesh. | 16:16 |
| kgriffs | flaper87, alcabrera: I gotta run for a bit, but I renamed that *var* as discussed. Hope the name is better | 16:17 |
| flaper87 | :P | 16:17 |
| kgriffs | and that limits thing is a bunch of little renames | 16:17 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: awesome, thanks! | 16:17 |
| kgriffs | take a look and let me know what I can improve on that patch as well | 16:18 |
| kgriffs | rock on! | 16:18 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: awesome! thanks. :) | 16:18 |
| kgriffs | thanks guys | 16:26 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: looks like that wsgi thing passed the gate | 16:26 |
| kgriffs | gotta go for realz now | 16:26 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: +2 | 16:27 |
| * kgriffs gives flaper87 and alcabrera something extremely valuable | 16:27 | |
| kgriffs | ttfn | 16:27 |
| alcabrera | yaaay | 16:27 |
| alcabrera | o/ kgriffs | 16:27 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/marconi: test(functional): Use direct WSGI requests in lieu of a wsgiref server https://review.openstack.org/70402 | 16:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cindy Pallares proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Adding queue and queue test to API https://review.openstack.org/70210 | 17:19 |
| alcabrera | cpallares: jenkins:pep8 is telling me that the test failures are probably due to an 'undefined name: Response' in v1/queues.py:55 | 17:31 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: haha yeah thanks :) | 17:32 |
| alcabrera | :) | 17:33 |
| cpallares | how you doing, alcabrera? read anything interesting today | 17:33 |
| alcabrera | I'm doing great, cpallares! I just had lunch, so even better. :) | 17:34 |
| alcabrera | As for reading - | 17:34 |
| alcabrera | oh my, so much | 17:34 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: I'm hungry. I should have some lunch. | 17:35 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: you should recommend me something to read :) | 17:35 |
| alcabrera | probably most notably: Net neutrality (http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/2/3/5375002/new-bill-would-restore-net-neutrality-pending-fcc-action) and GHC 7.8.1 RC (http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/1wxju4/ghc_78_first_release_candidate/). Also, I just read a great Allowed to Apply post (http://allowedtoapply.tumblr.com/post/75593818596/julia-evans-on-proposing-talks-a-series-of-tweets) | 17:35 |
| alcabrera | last bit - two shameless plugs: I'm working on a "Python, Openstack, and You" guide (https://thoughtstreams.io/acabrera/python/#card-3591) and I've had a chance to do some more Haskell exercises (https://thoughtstreams.io/acabrera/haskell/#card-3590). | 17:37 |
| alcabrera | that's my full list of recommendations for the moment, cpallares. :D | 17:37 |
| * alcabrera is almost always reading | 17:37 | |
| * alcabrera still hasn't seen star wars | 17:37 | |
| cpallares | haha thanks alcabrera! I'll look into those. You should also recommend me books :) | 17:37 |
| cpallares | :o | 17:37 |
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| cpallares | alcabrera: You need to see them! | 17:38 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: You're missing out on the star wars references :P | 17:38 |
| alcabrera | lol | 17:39 |
| alcabrera | as for books, hmm... | 17:39 |
| * alcabrera loads up goodreads profile | 17:40 | |
| alcabrera | what kind of book are you feeling, cpallares? I've got at least 1 technical, 1 philosophical, 1 self-development, and 1 mathematical | 17:41 |
| cpallares | mmmm... I don't know how to decide | 17:42 |
| alcabrera | I could you all of the book suggestions and leave it up to you. :P | 17:42 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: Yeah let's do that | 17:43 |
| alcabrera | kk | 17:43 |
| alcabrera | here goes | 17:43 |
| alcabrera | 1. technical: Learn You a Haskell for Great Good - http://learnyouahaskell.com/ | 17:44 |
| alcabrera | 2. philosophical: Culture and Empire - http://cultureandempire.com/#/ | 17:44 |
| alcabrera | 3. self-development: Choose Yourself: http://www.amazon.com/Choose-Yourself-James-Altucher-ebook/dp/B00CO8D3G4 | 17:44 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: that haskell book looks so cute | 17:45 |
| alcabrera | 4. mathemtical: Category Theory for Scientists: http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/18-s996-category-theory-for-scientists-spring-2013/ (book linked in Textbook) | 17:45 |
| alcabrera | cpallares: it's the best haskell book I've read yet! :D | 17:45 |
| * cpallares wants to learn haskell | 17:46 | |
| alcabrera | cute, readable - it really does a great job of making the case of haskell and making monads, applicatives, etc. make sense | 17:46 |
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| alcabrera | s/of/for | 17:46 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: does that math book have a pre-requisite? | 17:48 |
| alcabrera | cpallares: the best way I've found to learn haskell is by: 1) experimenting with ghci (the interpreter) from time to time, 2) writing short snippets to do things I know how to do in python when I have more time, 3) re-re-reading LYAH (Learn You a Haskell), Real World Haskell, and going back to (1) | 17:48 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: Thanks, I think I'll give it a try. | 17:49 |
| alcabrera | cpallares: re: the category theory book, it assumes an understanding of basic set theory, some abstract algebra, and... that's what I can tell so far. | 17:49 |
| alcabrera | I'm at chapter 2. :P | 17:49 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: I saw on /r/haskell that there's a new book out for haskell | 17:49 |
| alcabrera | yeah, I saw that one, too! :) | 17:50 |
| alcabrera | It covers things that my other two faves do not - namely, dealing with cabal (package manager), creating packages, and testing. | 17:50 |
| cpallares | Yeah it's like "project-based approach" | 17:50 |
| cpallares | yeah | 17:50 |
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| alcabrera | I don't plan on getting it soon, but I'm happy to see that it was written. | 17:52 |
| alcabrera | what have you been reading lately, cpallares? Any suggestions for me/ | 17:52 |
| alcabrera | ? | 17:52 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: I haven't read anything lately. I did order The Code Book (http://www.amazon.com/Code-Book-Science-Secrecy-Cryptography-ebook/dp/B004IK8PLE/) after watching Art of the Problem's Journey to Cryptography. Have you seen that series? It's really neat. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB4D701646DAF0817 I haven't started reading it yet though | 17:56 |
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| alcabrera | cpallares: nice! I wishlisted the Code Book. Seems like a more human take on the crypto field. | 17:58 |
| alcabrera | I haven't seen the Art of the Problem series, so I'm bookmarking that, too. | 17:59 |
| * alcabrera keeps a stash of too-watch videos | 17:59 | |
| cpallares | alcabrera: Yeah the code book has a lot of history. | 18:00 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: Also yeah, it's a really good series. I think the guy who makes it is really good at making mathematics concepts so easy to visualize. | 18:01 |
| alcabrera | sweeet! | 18:02 |
| alcabrera | I need more of that! :D | 18:02 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: ooh also I recommend reading Carl Sagan's The Deamon Hunted World, if you haven't. It's also history-ish, but it's really good. One of my favorite books. | 18:02 |
| cpallares | ***Demon | 18:03 |
| cpallares | lol | 18:03 |
| alcabrera | This one's another winner: wishlisted! | 18:03 |
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| alcabrera | Had me at... | 18:04 |
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| alcabrera | "A spirited defense of science . . . From the first page to the last, this book is a manifesto for clear thought." | 18:04 |
| alcabrera | my kindle will be very happy this friday. <3 | 18:05 |
| cpallares | haha | 18:05 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: Carl Sagan was an amazing writer. He has some other pretty good books, although that one is my favorite. | 18:06 |
| alcabrera | his wikipedia entry is very interesting. He's a very-well spoken skeptic. | 18:11 |
| cpallares | yeah, the non-intrusive kind | 18:20 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: Neil Degrasse Tyson is remaking his Cosmos series. I bet it's going to be good :) | 18:21 |
| alcabrera | I've heard of Neil Degrasse Tyson, but I've yet to watch/read any of his works. :P | 18:26 |
| mpanetta | alcabrera: Seriously? | 18:27 |
| mpanetta | That guy rocks | 18:27 |
| alcabrera | yup, mpanetta! | 18:27 |
| alcabrera | that's what I keep hearing, hahaha | 18:27 |
| mpanetta | He should run for pres :P | 18:27 |
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| kgriffs | "if we've got _() on debug message, remove it?" | 21:15 |
| kgriffs | "yes" | 21:15 |
| kgriffs | #openstack-meeting | 21:15 |
| kgriffs | (fyi) | 21:16 |
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| alcabrera | gtk, kgriffs | 21:20 |
| kgriffs | memory peg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/marconi/+bug/1276335 | 21:27 |
| kgriffs | We'll do this for Juno | 21:27 |
| alcabrera | +1 | 21:31 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: I started working on a python/openstack guide, initially targeting rax:atl, but I'm now aiming to expand the target audience a bit more. | 21:33 |
| alcabrera | #link https://github.com/cabrera/python-openstack-and-you | 21:33 |
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| alcabrera | cpallares: you might find this useful, too. ^^ | 21:34 |
| kgriffs | hmmm. Sort of a more human-friendly version of the info on the wiki, with extra insights? | 21:34 |
| alcabrera | yup - all in one place; easy ramp up on python ecosystem and openstack ecosystem. | 21:34 |
| alcabrera | lots of oslo.config goodness already mentioned | 21:35 |
| alcabrera | pbr gets some love | 21:35 |
| alcabrera | tox | 21:35 |
| alcabrera | etc. | 21:35 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: thanks :) | 21:35 |
| kgriffs | ah, nice | 21:35 |
| kgriffs | I've heard from people how silly it is to require projects to use poorly documented libs | 21:36 |
| kgriffs | so, this is a good step in fixing that | 21:36 |
| alcabrera | +1 | 21:36 |
| alcabrera | gotta get those docs | 21:36 |
| alcabrera | also | 21:36 |
| alcabrera | maybe unify the python/openstack world a bit more | 21:36 |
| alcabrera | there's a lot of opportunity for sharing the love between the two. Things developed in openstack projects are likely to serve the python ops/deployment/web-service community very well, and vice-versa | 21:37 |
| alcabrera | flaper87: ^^ | 21:38 |
| alcabrera | Anyway, I'm out for the night. Take care guys! More good things to wrap up tomorrow. :D | 21:39 |
| cpallares | bye alcabrera! | 21:40 |
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